[SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt)

Thu Jul 10 19:57:47 PDT 2008

Sounds good Dave.  I'll load some up and bring with me.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
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Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 10:50 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt)

> Hi Tommy and Rick, If Rick will not be at Portland I can haul it back
> to PA with me. I'm 90 miles from Youngstown, so I'm sure we can figure
> out a way to get it there!
> Dave
>
> On Jul 10, 2008, at 10:04 PM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote:
>
>> Rick,
>>    Will you be at Portland?  I'll bring some and donate it to the Tod
>> Project if so.  You can give me a donation receipt from the Tod
>> Foundation
>> for it.  Keep a copy of the quote you got for $12.58 as you can
>> allow a
>> "documented price" as the donation price to be used.  So, since I'll
>> be
>> delivering it, we can use $12.58 per lb.
>>
>> Tommy Turner
>> Magnolia, KY
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Tod Engine Foundation" <rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com>
>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 9:44 PM
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt)
>>
>>
>>> I just got a quote on genuine Babbitt at $12.58 per lb.
>>> delivered.   I know
>>> I'll have to repour the big ends of the Tod Engine's connecting rods
>>> someday, and each one takes 325 lbs. of the stuff. Everything I've
>>> read
>>> says
>>> to use no more than 50% old Babbitt when repouring, meaning I will
>>> need
>>> several hundred pounds of new Babbitt.
>>>
>>> I just wish we could spare the money to buy all of what you have
>>> remaining,
>>> but every penny we have has to go into putting our new engine house
>>> building
>>> up, and I don't even have enough to do that yet. ;-(
>>>
>>> Maybe if you still have it next year...
>>>
>>> Rick Rowlands
>>> Executive Director
>>> Tod Engine Foundation
>>> "Preserving Youngstown's Steel Industry Heritage"
>>> 2261 Hubbard Road
>>> Youngstown, OH  44505
>>> 330-272-4089
>>> www.todengine.org
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Judge Tommy Turnere" <Lcjudge at scrtc.com>
>>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 10:49 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt)
>>>
>>>
>>>> Peter,
>>>>   I wished I had some way to get babbitt to you.  I have some NOS
>>>> Jackson
>>>> Wheeler high speed nickel babbitt in about 3 lb ingots.  I'd sell
>>>> it to
>>>> you
>>>> for $5 / lb.  Its probably worth more than that for scrap.  I bought
>>>> about
>>>> a
>>>> ton of the stuff several years ago (didn't aim to buy it but I
>>>> made the
>>>> guy
>>>> an offer and he said "its yours".) I've sold it to a lot of folks
>>>> for one
>>>> cylinders, Model T's and other applications.  All that have used
>>>> it are
>>>> very
>>>> pleased with it.  Here's what it looks like:
>>>>
>>>> http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/Misc/photo#5160269484786225074
>>>>
>>>> Tommy Turner
>>>> Magnolia, KY
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Peter Lowe" <plowe at exemail.com.au>
>>>> To: "Oldengine.org" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>; "ATIS"
>>>> <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 10:27 PM
>>>> Subject: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi All
>>>>> I know we have been through this before, but I just want to
>>>>> clarify a
>>>>> few
>>>>> points.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. What is the tolerance between the crankshaft and the bearing
>>>>> ID. The
>>>>> crankshaft is 1 1/2" dia. and the bearing is about 4 1/2" long.
>>>>> How many
>>>>> thou. do I allow.?
>>>>> 2.  The oil groove in the bearing, should it be on top of the
>>>>> bearing
>>>>> where
>>>>> the oil comes through and is there a need for one on the bottom.
>>>>> The
>>>>> bearings I took out of my vertical R&V also have a groove around
>>>>> the
>>>>> end,
>>>>> I
>>>>> guess to hold the oil before it finally comes out, if it does.
>>>>> Would you
>>>>> try
>>>>> and direct oil that comes to the bottom back into the engine via a
>>>>> spiral
>>>>> directional groove at the bottom of the bearing. You might say, who
>>>>> cares
>>>>> it
>>>>> will not be run that often, but it is an exercise for me in
>>>>> machining
>>>>> also.
>>>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/my_main_bearings.htm
>>>>> There will eventually be a complete restoration guide for the
>>>>> vertical
>>>>> R&V
>>>>> when I finally think of the format I want to use at:
>>>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/my_vertical_restoration.htm
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The email reply below was from a bearing company in Victoria, Oz,
>>>>> I bit
>>>>> pricy on their metal or am I out of touch $$$$?
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> Peter Lowe
>>>>> R&V Engine Registrar
>>>>> Australia
>>>>> Ph: 61-266453455
>>>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
>>>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Peter
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Our recommended white metal is a stock line called DSL, This is
>>>>>> most
>>>>>> suitable for high & low speed applications & high load factors.
>>>>>> Composition:
>>>>>> SN - Tin           88.20%
>>>>>> AG - Silver       0.10%
>>>>>> CD - Cadmium 1.00%
>>>>>> CU - Copper    3.05%
>>>>>> NI -  Nickel      0 .15%
>>>>>> SB  - Antimony 7.50%
>>>>>>
>>>>>> More important is that the oilways and clearance are correct.
>>>>>> If the finished bush is 1KG I would suggest you make allowance
>>>>>> for OD,
>>>>>> ID
>>>>>> & length finish machining.
>>>>>> Price per Kilo is $42.50 plus postage.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>> Ian Hill.
>>>>>
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