[SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt)

David Rotigel rotigel at alltel.net
Thu Jul 10 19:50:16 PDT 2008 

Hi Tommy and Rick, If Rick will not be at Portland I can haul it back  
to PA with me. I'm 90 miles from Youngstown, so I'm sure we can figure  
out a way to get it there!
	Dave

On Jul 10, 2008, at 10:04 PM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote:

> Rick,
>    Will you be at Portland?  I'll bring some and donate it to the Tod
> Project if so.  You can give me a donation receipt from the Tod  
> Foundation
> for it.  Keep a copy of the quote you got for $12.58 as you can  
> allow a
> "documented price" as the donation price to be used.  So, since I'll  
> be
> delivering it, we can use $12.58 per lb.
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tod Engine Foundation" <rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 9:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt)
>
>
>> I just got a quote on genuine Babbitt at $12.58 per lb.  
>> delivered.   I know
>> I'll have to repour the big ends of the Tod Engine's connecting rods
>> someday, and each one takes 325 lbs. of the stuff. Everything I've  
>> read
>> says
>> to use no more than 50% old Babbitt when repouring, meaning I will  
>> need
>> several hundred pounds of new Babbitt.
>>
>> I just wish we could spare the money to buy all of what you have
>> remaining,
>> but every penny we have has to go into putting our new engine house
>> building
>> up, and I don't even have enough to do that yet. ;-(
>>
>> Maybe if you still have it next year...
>>
>> Rick Rowlands
>> Executive Director
>> Tod Engine Foundation
>> "Preserving Youngstown's Steel Industry Heritage"
>> 2261 Hubbard Road
>> Youngstown, OH  44505
>> 330-272-4089
>> www.todengine.org
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Judge Tommy Turnere" <Lcjudge at scrtc.com>
>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 10:49 PM
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt)
>>
>>
>>> Peter,
>>>   I wished I had some way to get babbitt to you.  I have some NOS
>>> Jackson
>>> Wheeler high speed nickel babbitt in about 3 lb ingots.  I'd sell  
>>> it to
>>> you
>>> for $5 / lb.  Its probably worth more than that for scrap.  I bought
>>> about
>>> a
>>> ton of the stuff several years ago (didn't aim to buy it but I  
>>> made the
>>> guy
>>> an offer and he said "its yours".) I've sold it to a lot of folks  
>>> for one
>>> cylinders, Model T's and other applications.  All that have used  
>>> it are
>>> very
>>> pleased with it.  Here's what it looks like:
>>>
>>> http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/Misc/photo#5160269484786225074
>>>
>>> Tommy Turner
>>> Magnolia, KY
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Peter Lowe" <plowe at exemail.com.au>
>>> To: "Oldengine.org" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>; "ATIS"
>>> <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 10:27 PM
>>> Subject: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt)
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi All
>>>> I know we have been through this before, but I just want to  
>>>> clarify a
>>>> few
>>>> points.
>>>>
>>>> 1. What is the tolerance between the crankshaft and the bearing  
>>>> ID. The
>>>> crankshaft is 1 1/2" dia. and the bearing is about 4 1/2" long.  
>>>> How many
>>>> thou. do I allow.?
>>>> 2.  The oil groove in the bearing, should it be on top of the  
>>>> bearing
>>>> where
>>>> the oil comes through and is there a need for one on the bottom.  
>>>> The
>>>> bearings I took out of my vertical R&V also have a groove around  
>>>> the
>>>> end,
>>>> I
>>>> guess to hold the oil before it finally comes out, if it does.  
>>>> Would you
>>>> try
>>>> and direct oil that comes to the bottom back into the engine via a
>>>> spiral
>>>> directional groove at the bottom of the bearing. You might say, who
>>>> cares
>>>> it
>>>> will not be run that often, but it is an exercise for me in  
>>>> machining
>>>> also.
>>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/my_main_bearings.htm
>>>> There will eventually be a complete restoration guide for the  
>>>> vertical
>>>> R&V
>>>> when I finally think of the format I want to use at:
>>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/my_vertical_restoration.htm
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The email reply below was from a bearing company in Victoria, Oz,  
>>>> I bit
>>>> pricy on their metal or am I out of touch $$$$?
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> Peter Lowe
>>>> R&V Engine Registrar
>>>> Australia
>>>> Ph: 61-266453455
>>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
>>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Peter
>>>>>
>>>>> Our recommended white metal is a stock line called DSL, This is  
>>>>> most
>>>>> suitable for high & low speed applications & high load factors.
>>>>> Composition:
>>>>> SN - Tin           88.20%
>>>>> AG - Silver       0.10%
>>>>> CD - Cadmium 1.00%
>>>>> CU - Copper    3.05%
>>>>> NI -  Nickel      0 .15%
>>>>> SB  - Antimony 7.50%
>>>>>
>>>>> More important is that the oilways and clearance are correct.
>>>>> If the finished bush is 1KG I would suggest you make allowance  
>>>>> for OD,
>>>>> ID
>>>>> & length finish machining.
>>>>> Price per Kilo is $42.50 plus postage.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> Ian Hill.
>>>>
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