[SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt)

Tod Engine Foundation rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com
Thu Jul 10 20:13:56 PDT 2008


That would probably be best since I doubt I can get to Portland this year. 
I'm not doing anything this summer but constructing the building, and it 
will take all I have to get it done before the snow flies.

BTW Dave, you and Arnie will love to see this picture.  As of last Tuesday 
the Tod Engine is now fully reassembled!
http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2453932820033749120KujuWd?vhost=good-times

Thanks

Rick Rowlands
Executive Director
Tod Engine Foundation
"Preserving Youngstown's Steel Industry Heritage"
2261 Hubbard Road
Youngstown, OH  44505
330-272-4089
www.todengine.org


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 10:50 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt)


> Hi Tommy and Rick, If Rick will not be at Portland I can haul it back
> to PA with me. I'm 90 miles from Youngstown, so I'm sure we can figure
> out a way to get it there!
> Dave
>
> On Jul 10, 2008, at 10:04 PM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote:
>
>> Rick,
>>    Will you be at Portland?  I'll bring some and donate it to the Tod
>> Project if so.  You can give me a donation receipt from the Tod
>> Foundation
>> for it.  Keep a copy of the quote you got for $12.58 as you can
>> allow a
>> "documented price" as the donation price to be used.  So, since I'll
>> be
>> delivering it, we can use $12.58 per lb.
>>
>> Tommy Turner
>> Magnolia, KY
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Tod Engine Foundation" <rowlands1941 at roadrunner.com>
>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 9:44 PM
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt)
>>
>>
>>> I just got a quote on genuine Babbitt at $12.58 per lb.
>>> delivered.   I know
>>> I'll have to repour the big ends of the Tod Engine's connecting rods
>>> someday, and each one takes 325 lbs. of the stuff. Everything I've
>>> read
>>> says
>>> to use no more than 50% old Babbitt when repouring, meaning I will
>>> need
>>> several hundred pounds of new Babbitt.
>>>
>>> I just wish we could spare the money to buy all of what you have
>>> remaining,
>>> but every penny we have has to go into putting our new engine house
>>> building
>>> up, and I don't even have enough to do that yet. ;-(
>>>
>>> Maybe if you still have it next year...
>>>
>>> Rick Rowlands
>>> Executive Director
>>> Tod Engine Foundation
>>> "Preserving Youngstown's Steel Industry Heritage"
>>> 2261 Hubbard Road
>>> Youngstown, OH  44505
>>> 330-272-4089
>>> www.todengine.org
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Judge Tommy Turnere" <Lcjudge at scrtc.com>
>>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 10:49 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt)
>>>
>>>
>>>> Peter,
>>>>   I wished I had some way to get babbitt to you.  I have some NOS
>>>> Jackson
>>>> Wheeler high speed nickel babbitt in about 3 lb ingots.  I'd sell
>>>> it to
>>>> you
>>>> for $5 / lb.  Its probably worth more than that for scrap.  I bought
>>>> about
>>>> a
>>>> ton of the stuff several years ago (didn't aim to buy it but I
>>>> made the
>>>> guy
>>>> an offer and he said "its yours".) I've sold it to a lot of folks
>>>> for one
>>>> cylinders, Model T's and other applications.  All that have used
>>>> it are
>>>> very
>>>> pleased with it.  Here's what it looks like:
>>>>
>>>> http://picasaweb.google.com/Lcjudge/Misc/photo#5160269484786225074
>>>>
>>>> Tommy Turner
>>>> Magnolia, KY
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Peter Lowe" <plowe at exemail.com.au>
>>>> To: "Oldengine.org" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>; "ATIS"
>>>> <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 10:27 PM
>>>> Subject: [SEL] white metal for bearings (Babbitt)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi All
>>>>> I know we have been through this before, but I just want to
>>>>> clarify a
>>>>> few
>>>>> points.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. What is the tolerance between the crankshaft and the bearing
>>>>> ID. The
>>>>> crankshaft is 1 1/2" dia. and the bearing is about 4 1/2" long.
>>>>> How many
>>>>> thou. do I allow.?
>>>>> 2.  The oil groove in the bearing, should it be on top of the
>>>>> bearing
>>>>> where
>>>>> the oil comes through and is there a need for one on the bottom.
>>>>> The
>>>>> bearings I took out of my vertical R&V also have a groove around
>>>>> the
>>>>> end,
>>>>> I
>>>>> guess to hold the oil before it finally comes out, if it does.
>>>>> Would you
>>>>> try
>>>>> and direct oil that comes to the bottom back into the engine via a
>>>>> spiral
>>>>> directional groove at the bottom of the bearing. You might say, who
>>>>> cares
>>>>> it
>>>>> will not be run that often, but it is an exercise for me in
>>>>> machining
>>>>> also.
>>>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/my_main_bearings.htm
>>>>> There will eventually be a complete restoration guide for the
>>>>> vertical
>>>>> R&V
>>>>> when I finally think of the format I want to use at:
>>>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/my_vertical_restoration.htm
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The email reply below was from a bearing company in Victoria, Oz,
>>>>> I bit
>>>>> pricy on their metal or am I out of touch $$$$?
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> Peter Lowe
>>>>> R&V Engine Registrar
>>>>> Australia
>>>>> Ph: 61-266453455
>>>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm
>>>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Peter
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Our recommended white metal is a stock line called DSL, This is
>>>>>> most
>>>>>> suitable for high & low speed applications & high load factors.
>>>>>> Composition:
>>>>>> SN - Tin           88.20%
>>>>>> AG - Silver       0.10%
>>>>>> CD - Cadmium 1.00%
>>>>>> CU - Copper    3.05%
>>>>>> NI -  Nickel      0 .15%
>>>>>> SB  - Antimony 7.50%
>>>>>>
>>>>>> More important is that the oilways and clearance are correct.
>>>>>> If the finished bush is 1KG I would suggest you make allowance
>>>>>> for OD,
>>>>>> ID
>>>>>> & length finish machining.
>>>>>> Price per Kilo is $42.50 plus postage.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>> Ian Hill.
>>>>>
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