[SEL] Help Needed

Sat Apr 19 08:35:03 PDT 2008

No Mike as there's no proof that the "Nancy" who lived in NC was the 
same Nancy that gave birth to Abe, other than people saying "we think it 
was her".  None of the timelines work out as Thomas and Nancy were 
married in Springfield, KY in 1806.  The marriage license is proof, the 
minister wrote of the marriage as well as several others that were in 
attendance.  So, if Nancy already had Abe in 1806, he would be older 
than Sarah.  Sarah refers to herself as "Abe's older sister" and at the 
school they attended here in LaRue County there is the writings from a 
lady in the 1860's (she being in her 70's then) who wrote of attending 
the school with Sarah and her "little brother Abe".  This would also 
mean that Abe would have had to be born prior to 1806 when Thomas and 
Nancy married.  So instead of Abe being 8 when they left KY, he would 
have been about 12 or possibly older.

I did an interview with a newspaper out of NC a few weeks ago regarding 
this very thing.  There are a LOT of problems with the Bostic claim.  
Supposedly, Tom Lincoln was working in the woods and at a sawmill in NC 
when Enloe convinced him to marry Nancy and head to KY.  The problem is 
Tom was a surveyor, carpenter, and worked for the county here in KY and 
records show (from the county for payments to him, receipts for work he 
did, etc.) he was here in KY, not NC during this time period.  Bostic 
has an interesting story, although I agree with you about congnitive 
memory as most of the info is gathered from folks in their 80's plus 
speaking of when they were a few years old (hey, come to think of it, I 
think when I was 4 dad told me something about him and Marilyn 
Monroe..... I guess it makes it fact!).

I think the best thing to do would be DNA tests.  Dig up Enloe or find 
one of his surviving decendents and do the DNA match against some of 
Lincoln's DNA (we have some of his hair so we could gather it). 

"Kentucky  Land of Abe"! :-)

Tommy Turner

>OOOoooooo I like this!  Then you know Nancy actually was in Bostic and did 
>live with the Enloes as a hired girl.  In Lincoln's hanwriting "I was born 
>in" means squat as he has no cognitive memory of the event, only what he was 
>told, much as you or I do.  There are eyewitnesses here as well that 
>remember Nancy giving birth here, moving to KY then marrying Lincoln.  This 
>debate will only be proven in the next world!!!!!!
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>MR
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>>Oh yes Mike, there is much proof.  You've listened to those folks at the
>>Bostic Center too much who say Lincoln must have been the illigetimate
>>son of Enloe because he "looked like" Enloe.  If that's the way we
>>detemine who his father was, then old Abe must be the dad of some of the
>>Lincoln look alikes that certainly favor him!  In Lincoln's own
>>handwriting he wrote "I was born Feb. 12, 1809 in Hardin, now the county
>>of LaRue, Kentucky on the Sinking Spring.  My first recollection is of
>>the Knob Creek place" (which is also in LaRue County).  The Lincoln
>>Family Bible, which I've held in my hands and is on display here in
>>LaRue County, has the entry "born of Thomas and Nancy, Feb. 12, 1809,
>>Abraham".  Also, Nancy's cousin, Dennis, wrote while Lincoln was running
>>for political office that he remembered the day Abe was born.  Thomas
>>ran to him and exclaimed that Nancy had just had a baby boy.  Dennis
>>lived about a mile from the Sinking Spring Farm.  The Bostic Center
>>folks claim that Abe was Enloe's illigetimate son and there was no proof
>>that Nancy and Thomas had even married yet when Abe was born.  However,
>>the marriage license of Thomas and Nancy, dated June 1806, is on file at
>>the Washington County Courthouse here in Kentucky.  Also, there are
>>ledger entries from the Haycraft store in Elizabethtown, KY showing
>>Thomas and Nancy buying goods there prior to their purchase of the
>>Sinking Spring farm and moving to it.  Much, much proof pointing to
>>where Lincoln was born, and it wasn't NC.  Hey, I've researched this
>>stuff as much as I have the old iron!
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>>Tommy Turner
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>>Mike Royster wrote:
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>>>Not to argue, but there is no proof Lincoln was born in KY, and if you see 
>>>a
>>>picture of Abraham Enloe, there is no question who his father was.  Let's
>>>just say KY is most associated with Lincoln.
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>>>MR
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>>>From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
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>>>>OK Everybody, I need your help.  Please go to the link below and vote
>>>>for KY.  I chair a Commission here in KY in regards to the Lincoln
>>>>Bicentennial and also serve on the US Commission.  Lincoln was born here
>>>>so we should win!  Thanks and sorry this isn't "totally" engine
>>>>related.  I say that because Lincoln was the only President to hold a
>>>>patent.  It was in regards to trains so in a sense, he liked old iron 
>>>>too!
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>>>>Tommy Turner
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>>>>Please click the link below and vote for Kentucky as the state that
>>>>"should be most closely associated with Abraham Lincoln."
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>>>>http://www.courierpress.com/news/2008/apr/14/lincoln-bicentennial-events-set-to-begin-may-10/
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