[SEL] Help Needed

Sat Apr 19 19:48:06 PDT 2008

I am only too aware of  how things get changed over the years by well 
meaning people who want only good things for their community or state.  I 
have seen cases where people alter "history" in order to suit their needs. 
Why I would never question your integrity, and I beleive you have done a 
great job on your research (much more than others), I do question those that 
came before you and me.  I most heartily agree, DNA will be the only way 
this riddle gets solved.  Congrats on your efforts and I hope you get the 
votes!

Mike

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
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Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 11:35 AM
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> No Mike as there's no proof that the "Nancy" who lived in NC was the
> same Nancy that gave birth to Abe, other than people saying "we think it
> was her".  None of the timelines work out as Thomas and Nancy were
> married in Springfield, KY in 1806.  The marriage license is proof, the
> minister wrote of the marriage as well as several others that were in
> attendance.  So, if Nancy already had Abe in 1806, he would be older
> than Sarah.  Sarah refers to herself as "Abe's older sister" and at the
> school they attended here in LaRue County there is the writings from a
> lady in the 1860's (she being in her 70's then) who wrote of attending
> the school with Sarah and her "little brother Abe".  This would also
> mean that Abe would have had to be born prior to 1806 when Thomas and
> Nancy married.  So instead of Abe being 8 when they left KY, he would
> have been about 12 or possibly older.
>
> I did an interview with a newspaper out of NC a few weeks ago regarding
> this very thing.  There are a LOT of problems with the Bostic claim.
> Supposedly, Tom Lincoln was working in the woods and at a sawmill in NC
> when Enloe convinced him to marry Nancy and head to KY.  The problem is
> Tom was a surveyor, carpenter, and worked for the county here in KY and
> records show (from the county for payments to him, receipts for work he
> did, etc.) he was here in KY, not NC during this time period.  Bostic
> has an interesting story, although I agree with you about congnitive
> memory as most of the info is gathered from folks in their 80's plus
> speaking of when they were a few years old (hey, come to think of it, I
> think when I was 4 dad told me something about him and Marilyn
> Monroe..... I guess it makes it fact!).
>
> I think the best thing to do would be DNA tests.  Dig up Enloe or find
> one of his surviving decendents and do the DNA match against some of
> Lincoln's DNA (we have some of his hair so we could gather it).
>
> "Kentucky  Land of Abe"! :-)
>
> Tommy Turner
>
>
>
>>OOOoooooo I like this!  Then you know Nancy actually was in Bostic and did
>>live with the Enloes as a hired girl.  In Lincoln's hanwriting "I was born
>>in" means squat as he has no cognitive memory of the event, only what he 
>>was
>>told, much as you or I do.  There are eyewitnesses here as well that
>>remember Nancy giving birth here, moving to KY then marrying Lincoln. 
>>This
>>debate will only be proven in the next world!!!!!!
>>
>>MR
>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
>>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 7:12 PM
>>Subject: Re: [SEL] Help Needed
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>>>Oh yes Mike, there is much proof.  You've listened to those folks at the
>>>Bostic Center too much who say Lincoln must have been the illigetimate
>>>son of Enloe because he "looked like" Enloe.  If that's the way we
>>>detemine who his father was, then old Abe must be the dad of some of the
>>>Lincoln look alikes that certainly favor him!  In Lincoln's own
>>>handwriting he wrote "I was born Feb. 12, 1809 in Hardin, now the county
>>>of LaRue, Kentucky on the Sinking Spring.  My first recollection is of
>>>the Knob Creek place" (which is also in LaRue County).  The Lincoln
>>>Family Bible, which I've held in my hands and is on display here in
>>>LaRue County, has the entry "born of Thomas and Nancy, Feb. 12, 1809,
>>>Abraham".  Also, Nancy's cousin, Dennis, wrote while Lincoln was running
>>>for political office that he remembered the day Abe was born.  Thomas
>>>ran to him and exclaimed that Nancy had just had a baby boy.  Dennis
>>>lived about a mile from the Sinking Spring Farm.  The Bostic Center
>>>folks claim that Abe was Enloe's illigetimate son and there was no proof
>>>that Nancy and Thomas had even married yet when Abe was born.  However,
>>>the marriage license of Thomas and Nancy, dated June 1806, is on file at
>>>the Washington County Courthouse here in Kentucky.  Also, there are
>>>ledger entries from the Haycraft store in Elizabethtown, KY showing
>>>Thomas and Nancy buying goods there prior to their purchase of the
>>>Sinking Spring farm and moving to it.  Much, much proof pointing to
>>>where Lincoln was born, and it wasn't NC.  Hey, I've researched this
>>>stuff as much as I have the old iron!
>>>
>>>Tommy Turner
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Mike Royster wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Not to argue, but there is no proof Lincoln was born in KY, and if you 
>>>>see
>>>>a
>>>>picture of Abraham Enloe, there is no question who his father was. 
>>>>Let's
>>>>just say KY is most associated with Lincoln.
>>>>
>>>>MR
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
>>>>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>>>Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 1:02 PM
>>>>Subject: [SEL] Help Needed
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>>OK Everybody, I need your help.  Please go to the link below and vote
>>>>>for KY.  I chair a Commission here in KY in regards to the Lincoln
>>>>>Bicentennial and also serve on the US Commission.  Lincoln was born 
>>>>>here
>>>>>so we should win!  Thanks and sorry this isn't "totally" engine
>>>>>related.  I say that because Lincoln was the only President to hold a
>>>>>patent.  It was in regards to trains so in a sense, he liked old iron
>>>>>too!
>>>>>
>>>>>Tommy Turner
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Please click the link below and vote for Kentucky as the state that
>>>>>"should be most closely associated with Abraham Lincoln."
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>http://www.courierpress.com/news/2008/apr/14/lincoln-bicentennial-events-set-to-begin-may-10/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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