[SEL] Engineers

peter ogborne jopeter at omninet.net.au
Sun Sep 4 16:58:55 PDT 2005


Joe ,Tom and Tommy, I am glad you have given me an avenue to comment . What 
has happened has happened ,engineers or no engineers. What is of concern is 
the delay that has occurred in getting aid to those affected. It is more 
than surprising that a country as great and powerful and  having all the 
resources such as yours seems to be stuck in neutral .Does it not make you 
alarmed that if another such disaster should occur then the same delays may 
be repeated.
What contradictory messages are emerging......no one is allowed into the 
affected area ,i.e. consular officials yet news teams are filming the 
devastation . Whatsmore an Australian news team rescued some Australians who 
had been trapped at the convention centre.
I must add that my own government would probably act in the same uncaring 
way....it is the way of conservative thinking .
I will brace myself for a barrage of replies on this!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 4:27 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Engineers


> Joe,
>
>    I may have heard the same report that you did discussing the section of 
> flood wall being the "newest" section constructed.  However, the person I 
> heard discussing it also stated that the sub structure it was built on was 
> older construction with weak subsurface strength.  He stated that the 
> proper construction would have required extensive dredging, construction 
> of a temporary retaining wall and complete reconstruction of the sub 
> structure when the newer top portion was added.  Lack of funding 
> prohibited the full rehab.  He surmised that the sub structure gave way 
> and allowed the concrete retaining wall, which was several feet high, to 
> creel over and let the water in.  You're right that without engineers, 
> there would be no one to blame.  But, they have to design the best 
> structure that can be built........ with the funds that are available.
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>
>
>
> Joe & Jewel Maurer wrote:
>
>>Tommy,
>>
>>Was good to see you and the SEL group at Portland.  As a retired engineer 
>>I might be insulted but I'm not.  If there were no engineers, on whom 
>>would we blame failures?  The dude from the Army Corp of Engineers says 
>>the part of the dike that failed was brand new and that's as good as it 
>>gets.  "Short of building castle walls, New Orleans cannot be protected 
>>from all potential hurricane damage".  Maybe he was just covering his 
>>posterior.
>>
>>Joe
>>Toadhill Farm
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