[SEL] Insurance and safety rules

[bill at antique-engines.com]

C'mon, Arnie - all they want is for the FATG to dress like Oliver W.
Douglas when he runs his plow!
Even Arnold was always clean and well dressed.

Priceless is a nice word...............

Bill

> Hi Jeff,
>
> Thanks for posting those rules for your club.  Some wag (WC Fields,
> Groucho Marks, Mark Twain, ???) once said that they wouldn't want to join
> any club that would have them as a member.
>
> I certainly would have nothing whatsoever to do with a club that felt a
> need to promulgate rules such as these.  I really hope that you include a
> copy of these rules in your advertising for club events so that folks can
> make an informed choice about whether to attend or not.
>
> I have a couple of comments on the rules.
>
> No alcohol.  If this is a "pro forma" rule, then OK.  Perhaps half the
> shows I attend have such a rule posted.  If they actually enforce it, then
> I will not attend.  I don't as a rule drink either water or soft drinks at
> a show.  A cold beer OTOH is a nice refreshment.  Grownups need to be held
> accountable for their actions.  Stupidity around machinery can also happen
> to a Pepsi drinker.  To penelize someone for their choice of beverage is
> simply stupid.  I've been to a great many English engine rallys and have
> enjoyed the beer tent.  As with drinking at shows in the US, moderation is
> the key while the engines are running.  Recognizing that some folks are
> still mentally in the 1920's (especially in the Bible belt) and regard all
> alcohol as "The Demon Rum", I will generally be discreet and drink my
> beer from a covered coffee mug.  It also keeps the wasps out.  8-))
>
> Display Areas.  I will never attend any show that prohibits spectators
> around the machinery.  As Reg said, what's the point?  If I choose to
> allow a young engine man to start one of my engines (as I've done a number
> of times with my Lorenz), that's my call.
>
> RPM Requirements.  This is just plain stupid.
>
> Steam Engines.  The mind boggles.  I'm not into steam, but my guess is
> that the hassle of getting a Colorado operators license and boiler
> inspection for someone from out of state, would absolutely effectively ban
> every out of state steamer.  It would make sense to require that the
> steamer and operator meet the requirements of their home state.  And for
> sure, you better make THIS requirement known in ALL of your advertising.
> Someone who had trucked a huge Case to your show only to be told, "Sorry
> mate, you're not licensed in Colorado." would be SERIOUSLY pissed off.
>
> Dress Code.  That is the most priceless bit.  The mind boggles.  I
> sincerly would love to meet the TWIT to whom this matters!!  CLEARLY, your
> club needs to add one more rule specifying in DETAIL the standard of
> restoration and rarity that will be permitted for exhibits at club shows.
> It's obviously as important that one doesn't exhibit a tatty Maytag as
> that one exhibits in natty knickers.
>
> BTW, DO NOT expect to find my application to join your club.
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA
> fero_ah at city-net.com
>
> On Tue, 17 May 2005, Jeff Allen wrote:
>
>> The safety rules are for the most part common sense. I think the alcohol
>> thing is a regional, or perhaps country thing. Seems the UK shows have
>> beer tents, but not sure if that's for spectators only during the show.
>> Beer and bullets are a bad mix, and probably the same goes for running
>> engines. Once the day is done would be another story.
>>
>> I don't like the display area rules at all. Feel closer to OZ all the
>> time. Probably the same insurance bullshit we have discussed before.
>> Seems I can't bring the short one behind the rope/fence any longer. I'll
>> try to get a better idea of that rule, and if he can be a member at his
>> age. I just think it's wrong that a member can't bring family behind the
>> rope. I don't think the board is the problem here. I think the insurance
>> company put the pressure on.
>>
>> The code of conduct is also pretty much common sense, with the exception
>> of "heavily soiled pants and shirts". That can happen if you have to
>> tinker on the show grounds. Don't think it will ever be a big issue. I
>> do hope the personal feeling thing doesn't cause me a problem. Right now
>> I'm just trying to get input from others and how it is done in other
>> places, and with other clubs.
>>
>> As always, comments are welcome. Links are here:
>> http://frapa.us/Ins.html
>> http://frapa.us/Safety.html
>> http://frapa.us/Code.html
>
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