[SEL] OHS gone mad

Wed Dec 21 23:29:07 PST 2005

Hi mate. Thanks for the support but, I really am of the opinion that the 
battle is lost here. The sheep dont want to know!
You put it very well when you said that the likes of me just aint interested 
in going to 'shows' where we cannot 'Show'.
I go to about 4 a year now and the spirit is not there for me any more.
I am happier in my workshop. At least it is under MY rules.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "chuck emsweller" <clemsweller at earthlink.net>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 2:46 PM
Subject: RE: [SEL] OHS gone mad

> Adam,
>
> Thank you for your explanations.  I will admit (at the risk of being
> flamed by many on this list as it seems to be a great hobby of theirs)
> that I have not been to Australia and only know what I read here on the
> list and other various media sources.  Your words have given me a better
> understanding of your country.
>
> However, there still is a basic stigma that your freedoms and ultimately
> ours, have been and will continue to be drained away by the many who
> wish to control us and run our lives in the name of "safety" and
> socialism. The two topics you touch on are ones near and dear to many of
> us on this list.
>
> It is unfortunate that the 8000 you refer to are having an insurance
> policy and dollars held over your heads forcing you to compromise this
> great hobby of ours.  Yes, I fully agree with Reg on this front.  I have
> been very vocal on this topic in the past on this list.  I think that we
> should encourage hands on participation at our engine shows.  What
> better way of getting more people interested than letting them touch,
> feel, and heaven forbid "Start" one of our engines at a show.
> Personally, I can say that by doing this I have been responsible for
> getting at least 4 people to go out and find their own engine and begin
> collecting and restoring old engines by allowing them to get up close
> and personal with an engine I was showing.  The day that I have to put a
> fence around my display will be the day I quit going to engine these so
> called sanctioned shows.  This is my opinion and my freedom of choice to
> exercise.  And yes, as you state, that is no different in your country.
> The only difference if I were there is that I would be doing my own
> shows in my back yard.  My bigger concern is that this; as referred to
> in the USA (been flamed on this one once before as well), BLEEDING HEART
> LIBERAL attitude carries over from your fine country to mine.  That my
> friend I will fight against as long as I am able.  I also feel sorry for
> the people of Australia knowing that there is a group of individuals
> there that share the same belief about your "guidelines" that I do and
> who don't display their engines at your sanctioned shows.  It's not
> their loss as much as it is your spectators.
>
> As for the guns, I am glad to hear that you can still hunt in Australia.
> That is different than most articles I have read.  I applaud you on your
> family's expertise and will say your Grandfather sounds like he was a
> fine Gentleman.
>
> I live in the great state of Indiana and I feel it is my right to own as
> many guns as I can afford.  It is also my right to use them for target
> practice, hunting, and yes if need be personal protection.  This is
> another right of mine (and yours) that I know here in the USA, is
> constantly under attack by those same Liberals (again using the USA
> definition) that are trying to protect us from living.  Yes, I own
> rifles, handguns, shotguns, and a couple of Chinese SKS rifles.  The
> only reason for the SKS is because the politicians threatened to ban
> them at one time and I felt my rights were being violated.  Besides,
> they are fun to shoot and can really reach out and do a job on ground
> hogs and other vermin.  I guess in all actuality, the only good answer
> to your question would be:
>
> Why in the great country of Australia, or the great state of
> Texas or
>      Indiana should I own a dirty, filthy, noisy, greasy old hit-miss
>      Engine? I don't see a difference!
>
>
> Chuck Emsweller
> Rushville, IN
> KA9ZOP
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Adam
> Cottrill
> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 8:56 PM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Cc: sel-request at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] OHS gone mad
>
> Hi guys,
> Further those of you who still have the stigma attached to the brain
> that it is law that every engine compound has to be fenced and we dont
> have guns here I think you need to look a little closer.
>
> Ill explain...
>
> The fences around engine compounds, IS ONLY a "guideline" for the
> current policy of which over 8000 members of the National Historical
> Machinery Assocition are a member of.
>
> Point 1. No one is forcing anyone to be a member, and if you wanted to
> run a show in your back yard or any where and not be a member of the
> association thats fine no one will stop you.
>
> Point 2. As mentioned above this ruling is only a guideline to protect
> the insurance policy of the association that is getting close to
> $100,000 per year for coverage and for $13 a member for full coverage I
> think its a good wicket.
>
>
> And finally guns, my family has been a hunting family for well since
> they arrived here in the boat in 1788. My Mother was a state archery
> champion and because of me (she was pregnaut at the time with me) missed
> olympic final selection. My father has missed only 1 duck shooting
> season in 55 years and my family has a swag of state and national clay
> trap shooters to be proud of and have our own personal clay trap and a
> line of goldern retreivers that are well know for there ability.
>
> My grandfather said to me when he taught me to shoot, "Adam if you miss
> on the second shot it deserves to live!" yes I am a gun owner and I have
> his remington left handed side be side.
>
> But what I cant understand is why in the state of Texas I would need to
> own an anti tank gun? or and M16 full auto can someone please explain
> this to me?
>
> Best wishes for the festive season,
>                                                 Adam
>
>
>
>
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