[SEL] OHS gone mad

Ron Page page at velocitynet.com.au
Thu Dec 22 02:23:18 PST 2005 

"Hear we go again griping on again."  If you would like to read the
guidelines you can do what you like.  Please stop being a bore.

Ron


----- Original Message -----
From: "R & M Ingold" <randmingold at hotkey.net.au>
To: "List SEL" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 6:29 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OHS gone mad


> Hi mate. Thanks for the support but, I really am of the opinion that the
> battle is lost here. The sheep dont want to know!
> You put it very well when you said that the likes of me just aint
interested
> in going to 'shows' where we cannot 'Show'.
> I go to about 4 a year now and the spirit is not there for me any more.
> I am happier in my workshop. At least it is under MY rules.
> Reg & Marg Ingold.
> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "chuck emsweller" <clemsweller at earthlink.net>
> To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 2:46 PM
> Subject: RE: [SEL] OHS gone mad
>
>
> > Adam,
> >
> > Thank you for your explanations.  I will admit (at the risk of being
> > flamed by many on this list as it seems to be a great hobby of theirs)
> > that I have not been to Australia and only know what I read here on the
> > list and other various media sources.  Your words have given me a better
> > understanding of your country.
> >
> > However, there still is a basic stigma that your freedoms and ultimately
> > ours, have been and will continue to be drained away by the many who
> > wish to control us and run our lives in the name of "safety" and
> > socialism. The two topics you touch on are ones near and dear to many of
> > us on this list.
> >
> > It is unfortunate that the 8000 you refer to are having an insurance
> > policy and dollars held over your heads forcing you to compromise this
> > great hobby of ours.  Yes, I fully agree with Reg on this front.  I have
> > been very vocal on this topic in the past on this list.  I think that we
> > should encourage hands on participation at our engine shows.  What
> > better way of getting more people interested than letting them touch,
> > feel, and heaven forbid "Start" one of our engines at a show.
> > Personally, I can say that by doing this I have been responsible for
> > getting at least 4 people to go out and find their own engine and begin
> > collecting and restoring old engines by allowing them to get up close
> > and personal with an engine I was showing.  The day that I have to put a
> > fence around my display will be the day I quit going to engine these so
> > called sanctioned shows.  This is my opinion and my freedom of choice to
> > exercise.  And yes, as you state, that is no different in your country.
> > The only difference if I were there is that I would be doing my own
> > shows in my back yard.  My bigger concern is that this; as referred to
> > in the USA (been flamed on this one once before as well), BLEEDING HEART
> > LIBERAL attitude carries over from your fine country to mine.  That my
> > friend I will fight against as long as I am able.  I also feel sorry for
> > the people of Australia knowing that there is a group of individuals
> > there that share the same belief about your "guidelines" that I do and
> > who don't display their engines at your sanctioned shows.  It's not
> > their loss as much as it is your spectators.
> >
> > As for the guns, I am glad to hear that you can still hunt in Australia.
> > That is different than most articles I have read.  I applaud you on your
> > family's expertise and will say your Grandfather sounds like he was a
> > fine Gentleman.
> >
> > I live in the great state of Indiana and I feel it is my right to own as
> > many guns as I can afford.  It is also my right to use them for target
> > practice, hunting, and yes if need be personal protection.  This is
> > another right of mine (and yours) that I know here in the USA, is
> > constantly under attack by those same Liberals (again using the USA
> > definition) that are trying to protect us from living.  Yes, I own
> > rifles, handguns, shotguns, and a couple of Chinese SKS rifles.  The
> > only reason for the SKS is because the politicians threatened to ban
> > them at one time and I felt my rights were being violated.  Besides,
> > they are fun to shoot and can really reach out and do a job on ground
> > hogs and other vermin.  I guess in all actuality, the only good answer
> > to your question would be:
> >
> > Why in the great country of Australia, or the great state of
> > Texas or
> >      Indiana should I own a dirty, filthy, noisy, greasy old hit-miss
> >      Engine? I don't see a difference!
> >
> >
> > Chuck Emsweller
> > Rushville, IN
> > KA9ZOP
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Adam
> > Cottrill
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 8:56 PM
> > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > Cc: sel-request at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > Subject: [SEL] OHS gone mad
> >
> > Hi guys,
> > Further those of you who still have the stigma attached to the brain
> > that it is law that every engine compound has to be fenced and we dont
> > have guns here I think you need to look a little closer.
> >
> > Ill explain...
> >
> > The fences around engine compounds, IS ONLY a "guideline" for the
> > current policy of which over 8000 members of the National Historical
> > Machinery Assocition are a member of.
> >
> > Point 1. No one is forcing anyone to be a member, and if you wanted to
> > run a show in your back yard or any where and not be a member of the
> > association thats fine no one will stop you.
> >
> > Point 2. As mentioned above this ruling is only a guideline to protect
> > the insurance policy of the association that is getting close to
> > $100,000 per year for coverage and for $13 a member for full coverage I
> > think its a good wicket.
> >
> >
> > And finally guns, my family has been a hunting family for well since
> > they arrived here in the boat in 1788. My Mother was a state archery
> > champion and because of me (she was pregnaut at the time with me) missed
> > olympic final selection. My father has missed only 1 duck shooting
> > season in 55 years and my family has a swag of state and national clay
> > trap shooters to be proud of and have our own personal clay trap and a
> > line of goldern retreivers that are well know for there ability.
> >
> > My grandfather said to me when he taught me to shoot, "Adam if you miss
> > on the second shot it deserves to live!" yes I am a gun owner and I have
> > his remington left handed side be side.
> >
> > But what I cant understand is why in the state of Texas I would need to
> > own an anti tank gun? or and M16 full auto can someone please explain
> > this to me?
> >
> > Best wishes for the festive season,
> >                                                 Adam
> >
> >
> >
> >
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