[SEL] ON TOPIC! XP Service pack 2

[Dave Rotigel]

Could we all please put OT in the subject when sending this sort of stuff to
the S ENGINE L? Thanks!
    Dave
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Dickerson" <bill at antique-engines.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 8:29 PM
Subject: RE: [SEL] ON TOPIC! XP Service pack 2


> >>The update will  recognize Norton anti virus and firewall on it's
> >>own.<<
>
> Not all versions - it definitely won't recognize their corporate products
> and I'm still checking some other versions.
> It uses the wrong executable to look for and verify the corporate
versions -
> the morons at MS simply have no clue how other people's software works.
> Geesh!
> You must apply patches to the Symantec corporate versions for it to work
> right.
> The built-in Windows firewall is also pretty lame - I've found holes I
could
> drive a truck through. When using certain remote control and other
software,
> it simply opens up almost all ports.
> I still will not use the Windows "firewall" and still recommend a 3rd
party
> firewall.
>
> I'd recommend waiting for SP2 until the dust settles - some fixes are in
> process we are told.
>
> **** There are some GOOD things - they have resolved the address/url
> spoofing issue with IE and IE now blocks pop-ups, however, that can be bad
> as some sites rely on them - but it's easy to bypass even for beginners if
> you need those popups on a particular site. So IE is a lot safer now. The
OS
> will now block incoming net traffic that it didn't request so no more
> getting an infection before your antivirus and firewall load like it did
in
> the past. I won't get technical here but that is a HUGE advance and
> improvement!! After
>
> I've been testing this thing on 6 computers for 2 weeks or so - it's my
job
> (part of my new job)
> It's thoroughly trashed a Dell notebook, we had to remove SP2 and then it
> broke SP1 in the process. The notebook still isn't right. On the others,
it
> partially broke Symantec corporate antivirus until I disabled the firewall
> in Windows.
> There is an 18% failure rate, 11% of those being "critical" or to the
point
> the OS needed to be reloaded, 7% being minor - issues that could be
resolved
> but took a pro or some time. The download is 260 meg - not for dial-up!
> Install at your own risk! 18% is a pretty high chance of you not having a
> working computer.
>
> I've got it on CD as a Microsoft developer deal.
>
> Bill
> (dealing with antivirus and security for over 15 years now)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Allen
> Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 11:17 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list; stationary-engine at oldengine.org
> Subject: [SEL] ON TOPIC! XP Service pack 2
>
>
> Hello all,
>
> If you are reading this you are using a computer and I consider this on
> topic. Security is an issue and now and then we bring it up here for good
> reason.
>
> I just did the service pack 2 for Windows XP tonight. Very time consuming
> all at once. My comments and recommendations below.
>
> For most users wait a few weeks or so while things work out. This is not
for
> the timid or average user. You need to run a spyware program such as
Adaware
> first. If you don't have it get it and use it on a regular basis.
>
> The update will  recognize Norton anti virus and firewall on it's own.
Can't
> tell you if it's up to date and so far I haven't figured out if it can. It
> will warn you though. If you have a firewall you will have to turn off one
> or the other. Windows will turn theirs on by default even if you have one.
> You have to turn it off to make the one you are using work or there will
be
> a conflict. The XP firewall is marginal if you don't have one. Better than
> nothing.
>
> You will have an irritation that tells you your system is not safe. Why?
> Because Micro$oft won't recognize the security that many are using. Most
> users should turn on the automatic update option, but I don't use it.
>
> If you use Outlook for e-mail you will have to manually change your
> settings. Any and all attachments are blocked completely. You can't save
> them, open them, or look at them. This is done by default and you are
never
> offered a choice.
>
> I will pitch a bitch to Micro$soft about these issues as though they care.
> Makes me feel good though like mashing a printer. For now I don't
recommend
> this update for the average user. I'll update on this if I think I need
to.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jeff Allen
> Arvada, Colorado USA
>
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>
>
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