[SEL] ON TOPIC! XP Service pack 2

Mon Sep 6 19:28:17 PDT 2004

Dave,

Sorry but I think this is on topic and that is the reason for my subject 
line. Service pack 2 will affect all of us that use Windows XP to 
communicate on this list, share engine pictures, etc. It is a big deal and 
that is why I brought it up. Wish I could take a Maytag ax to all of this 
crap software, but it just don't work that way. All opinions are welcome, 
and I won't do it again if those on the list think I'm out of line.

Regards,

Jeff Allen
Arvada, Colorado USA

http://oldengine.org/members/allen/
http://frapa.us/
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 6:35 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] ON TOPIC! XP Service pack 2

> Could we all please put OT in the subject when sending this sort of stuff 
> to
> the S ENGINE L? Thanks!
>    Dave
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Bill Dickerson" <bill at antique-engines.com>
> To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 8:29 PM
> Subject: RE: [SEL] ON TOPIC! XP Service pack 2
>
>
>> >>The update will  recognize Norton anti virus and firewall on it's
>> >>own.<<
>>
>> Not all versions - it definitely won't recognize their corporate products
>> and I'm still checking some other versions.
>> It uses the wrong executable to look for and verify the corporate
> versions -
>> the morons at MS simply have no clue how other people's software works.
>> Geesh!
>> You must apply patches to the Symantec corporate versions for it to work
>> right.
>> The built-in Windows firewall is also pretty lame - I've found holes I
> could
>> drive a truck through. When using certain remote control and other
> software,
>> it simply opens up almost all ports.
>> I still will not use the Windows "firewall" and still recommend a 3rd
> party
>> firewall.
>>
>> I'd recommend waiting for SP2 until the dust settles - some fixes are in
>> process we are told.
>>
>> **** There are some GOOD things - they have resolved the address/url
>> spoofing issue with IE and IE now blocks pop-ups, however, that can be 
>> bad
>> as some sites rely on them - but it's easy to bypass even for beginners 
>> if
>> you need those popups on a particular site. So IE is a lot safer now. The
> OS
>> will now block incoming net traffic that it didn't request so no more
>> getting an infection before your antivirus and firewall load like it did
> in
>> the past. I won't get technical here but that is a HUGE advance and
>> improvement!! After
>>
>> I've been testing this thing on 6 computers for 2 weeks or so - it's my
> job
>> (part of my new job)
>> It's thoroughly trashed a Dell notebook, we had to remove SP2 and then it
>> broke SP1 in the process. The notebook still isn't right. On the others,
> it
>> partially broke Symantec corporate antivirus until I disabled the 
>> firewall
>> in Windows.
>> There is an 18% failure rate, 11% of those being "critical" or to the
> point
>> the OS needed to be reloaded, 7% being minor - issues that could be
> resolved
>> but took a pro or some time. The download is 260 meg - not for dial-up!
>> Install at your own risk! 18% is a pretty high chance of you not having a
>> working computer.
>>
>> I've got it on CD as a Microsoft developer deal.
>>
>> Bill
>> (dealing with antivirus and security for over 15 years now)
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Allen
>> Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 11:17 PM
>> To: The SEL email discussion list; stationary-engine at oldengine.org
>> Subject: [SEL] ON TOPIC! XP Service pack 2
>>
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> If you are reading this you are using a computer and I consider this on
>> topic. Security is an issue and now and then we bring it up here for good
>> reason.
>>
>> I just did the service pack 2 for Windows XP tonight. Very time consuming
>> all at once. My comments and recommendations below.
>>
>> For most users wait a few weeks or so while things work out. This is not
> for
>> the timid or average user. You need to run a spyware program such as
> Adaware
>> first. If you don't have it get it and use it on a regular basis.
>>
>> The update will  recognize Norton anti virus and firewall on it's own.
> Can't
>> tell you if it's up to date and so far I haven't figured out if it can. 
>> It
>> will warn you though. If you have a firewall you will have to turn off 
>> one
>> or the other. Windows will turn theirs on by default even if you have 
>> one.
>> You have to turn it off to make the one you are using work or there will
> be
>> a conflict. The XP firewall is marginal if you don't have one. Better 
>> than
>> nothing.
>>
>> You will have an irritation that tells you your system is not safe. Why?
>> Because Micro$oft won't recognize the security that many are using. Most
>> users should turn on the automatic update option, but I don't use it.
>>
>> If you use Outlook for e-mail you will have to manually change your
>> settings. Any and all attachments are blocked completely. You can't save
>> them, open them, or look at them. This is done by default and you are
> never
>> offered a choice.
>>
>> I will pitch a bitch to Micro$soft about these issues as though they 
>> care.
>> Makes me feel good though like mashing a printer. For now I don't
> recommend
>> this update for the average user. I'll update on this if I think I need
> to.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Jeff Allen
>> Arvada, Colorado USA
>>
>> http://oldengine.org/members/allen/
>> http://frapa.us/
>>
>>
>>
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