Hey Rich, I know there's a bunch of Blow Torch sites out there. I use a blow torch every now & then when I solder. Try a search for Plumbers Stoves ? Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "God made man at the end of the week - \/)"(\/ when He was tired." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz