[SEL] Mystery Engine? Now Witte Engine

[Alan]

And again a BIG thanks Dave.
That is great info.
That book?
Is it a Witte manual Gordon could buy?
I am sure he would want one.
 
Whenever you get a chance I would love to see some pictures of your son's Witte.
Does it have an engine tag?
I would like to see the cam gear area and what there is that provides the movement to trip the mag.
 
I am guessing your son's engine does not have the wiper.
Someone must have added parts to Gordon's Witte to trip those points.
 
If it was my engine I think I would remove the points and the rod that trips them and go with a battery, buzz coil and the wiper.
I need to find a gas tank and MAIL him the info. Mr. Wendel seems to say they were making the TG Type B engines starting in 1924.
Gordon will just be happy to know his engine was built between 1924 and 1927.
After all he bought a "Sparta Economy" Hit-n-Miss engine,,,, 
Now he has a Witte Type B Throttle Governed engine. 8>))
He has it in writing from the previous owner that it is a Sparta.
 
Still a nice little engine for five hundred bucks.
 
Alan in Michigan

--- On Sat, 9/12/09, David Rotigel <rotigel at me.com> wrote:


From: David Rotigel <rotigel at me.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Mystery Engine? Now Witte Engine
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Saturday, September 12, 2009, 11:44 PM



On Sep 12, 2009, at 8:43 PM, Alan wrote:

> Thanks, Dave.
>
> Do you know if they offered that engine without the Wico mag?
No, I do not know one way or the other on that. My son's is fired by a  
WICO............... Now after doing a bit of reading in their book I  
find that they did a whip w/out a mag, but rather used a battery. Then  
Gasoline for starting and kero for running--after getting the engine  
VERY HOT--WARMED to BOILING at the head.
>
> I looks like there is an added push rod that is operating an  
> automotive points set for that auto coil that is on it now.
> It looks like some conversion kit that was added later.
I have never heard of/seen an after factory (ie Witte) conversion kit.  
If it's Witte, I would believe it was designed and put on at the  
factory. While the company "regularly furnishes" batteries for the  
engines, it "strongly recommends a BOSCH magneto  ("at a slight  
additional cost.") However, I strongly believe that the battery  
ignition would and used a whip!
>
> The way it was wired before we ripped the wires off it to take  
> pictures showed me they
> were using those points and they were not using that contact wiper  
> on the cam lobe.
I would sure think that if Witte did it it would have been a wiper on  
the cam. If someone has one that is from the factory I would sure like  
to hear of it. Parts, in order to put it back "right'' should cost in  
the $1OO-200 range. Have fun, your friend will need help and there  
will be shimstoch making to be enjoyed!
>
>
> Alan in Michigan
    Dave
PS, If you can make out any of thr S/N numerals, amd provide the place  
holders you can mot make out I MIGHT be able to determine something,  
If you do have to guess at a mumber on the end of the ctank please  
tell me whar you think it is (as in :I dont have a fuckin idae, It's a  
S or a 5 or a 6, It's 11 or perhaps an H. From information like that I  
can sometimes figure a pretty cloce date. Ihen I can't Arnie  
says :Just tell then 1922 (if it has a Webster) and 1924 (If it's a  
WICO.)

>
>
> --- On Sat, 9/12/09, David Rotigel <rotigel at me.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: David Rotigel <rotigel at me.com>
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Mystery Engine
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: Saturday, September 12, 2009, 8:15 PM
>
>
> Hi Alan, You are correct. it is a head type Witte.
>     Dave
>
> On Sep 12, 2009, at 7:44 PM, Alan wrote:
>
>> Hi Folks,
>> A fellow member of our local club is not on-line and just bought his
>> first engine.
>> It has no sign of a tag and the former owner painted it bright red
>> years ago and has been calling it a Sparta Economy.
>>
>> It sure looks more like a Witte type B to me.
>> BPBB page 560 Lower right corner.
>> Bore looks like 1 5/8 X 5.
>> My guess is 1 1/2 HP.
>>
>> It looks like there is a serial number on the end of the crankshaft
>> but we can't read much of it.
>> It is throttle governed.
>> It has a wiper on the cam lobe that looks to me like it would fire
>> up a buzz coil.
>> There is a lever that adjusts that wiper for spark delay starting.
>> Did they offer the Witte type B with battery/buzz coil and spark
>> plug instead of the Wico EK?
>> It has the multi fuel carb like the BPBB says.
>>
>> Pictures are here.
>> http://s183.photobucket.com/albums/x286/Rustaholic777/Mystery/
>>
>> Do any of you have an engine like this one?
>> I could be completly wrong on the Witte name but all we want is to
>> know what it is.
>>
>> Alan in Michigan