[SEL] Engine ID needed.

Judge Tommy Turner lcjudge at scrtc.com
Tue Jun 3 19:20:21 PDT 2008 

Mike,
    When I sold it to Steve I told him it was one of the cutest little 
engines to look at that I've ever seen (and it is).  But, I never said 
anything about it running!.  I'm glad he's got you to crank for him!

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



Mike Royster wrote:

>Curt:
>
>  Steve is so right about the issues on that engine that keep it going.  I 
>am sure he will be wanting to pay for my rotator cuff surgery for the 
>countless hours I spent pulling that McVickers through, while Steve "tuned" 
>it !!!!
>
>Mike
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Steve Royster" <steve_royster at hotmail.com>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 11:16 AM
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine ID needed.
>
>
>
>Curt if that thing is anything like the McVicker engine, everything has to 
>be perfect for it to be able to run. Leaking valves, ignitor,rings, dirty 
>contacts on the governor, improper fuel setting, the slightest thing will 
>stop it dead. Since it HAS to hit a big lick to actuate the small piston and 
>carry the big piston through compression continuously everything has to be 
>perfect  to keep it going!  When mine stops at the show you have to go down 
>the list and see what just isn't right any longer. Most of our old hit and 
>miss engines are very forgiving and will run now matter how badly they are 
>worn or timed but when you have one idling against compression and the 
>compression is performing other duties like opening valves and other 
>pistons.... look out!            I'm sure you'll get it running soon though 
>knowing you. When do we get to see it?  Steve> Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 
>07:49:20 -0600> From: curt at rustyiron.com> To: 
>sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine ID needed.> > 
>Tommy, Elden,> Odd duck is right! I initially thought this was a 2 cycle 
>engine because> of what looked like ported exhaust, and the fact that every 
>time the> piston heads toward TDC it is on compression. Makes sense eh? But 
>I found> the engine in the BYB and it claims it is a 4 cycle engine with a 
>"special> mechanism that allowed skipping of the exhaust valve push rod.> > 
>I'm trying to get the patents to load on my computer, but am having> 
>problems with viewing them. I'm getting only partial views at the moment,> 
>so I've got a computer issue to muddle thru before learning more.> Patent 
>number is 740,571 if you'd like to have a look. If someone happens> to get 
>the tif's to download in completion, I'd appreciate an offlist> email with 
>the tif's attached, so I can read them. I think there are 8> pages.> > 
>Currently the engine is belted to a large 3 phase motor and that's how it> 
>is rotated and made to fire on occasion. Turn the power off and the poor> 
>engine barely chuffs and can't produce enough power to even sustain> itself, 
>so there is much to do to get it running well and making decent> power.> > 
>As to the governor linkage, it leads me to believe it is a throttle> 
>governed engine. That's fairly unusual too considering the year of> 
>manufacture was 1902/3.> Curt> > > > > Elden,> > Kurt needs to answer this 
>for sure but I think the 4 cycle mechanism> > works similar to that on a 
>McVicker (at least the same principle). The> > engine fires and the 
>explosive pressure causes the small shaft> > (connected to some sort of 
>internal piston) to "kick out". This engages> > a latch that causes the push 
>rod to engage with the exhaust valve.> > Where this engine appears to be 
>different than a McVicker is that is has> > linkage connecting the gov to 
>the carb. On a McVicker the gov pulls the> > electrical connection away from 
>the timer causing the engine to miss.> > But, its missing under compression. 
>During the miss cycle the cylinder> > is constantly compressing the fuel, 
>then backs off compression as the> > piston travels toward the rear of the 
>cylinder. As long as you don't> > have any blow by (or very minimal) this 
>system works good. If you have> > blow by then the piston will, on each back 
>stroke, suck in a little> > fuel. Then when the governor allows the 
>electrical connection it fires> > but floods. The Carl Anderson has to work 
>on a bit different> > principle. Possibly the gov system totally cuts off 
>the fuel in some> > way and it would be interesting to tear that baby apart 
>and figure it> > out. Curt can do it though, I've got faith in him!> >> > 
>Tommy Turner> > Magnolia, KY> >> >> >>Kurt:> >>> >>That is an odd duck of an 
>engine. I assume it is 4-cycle but if it's> >> only got ported exhaust, how 
>does that work?> >>> >>If the exhaust(?) cam turns at crankshaft speed, how 
>can it be a 4-cycle?> >> I didn't see anything like a 2-to-1 gizmo on the 
>pushrod.> >>> >>How does the governor work? Is it hit and miss or volume 
>governed?> >>> >>Lotsa questions! Great oddball engine. I hope it's in your 
>shed. If> >> you want to get rid of it, I'll give you scrap price for it if 
>you'll> >> help load it into my trailer. Nyuk, nyuk!> >>> >>Take care - 
>Elden> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>-----Original Message-----> >>>From: 
>sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com> 
> >>>[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On> >>> Behalf Of> 
> >>>curt at rustyiron.com> >>>Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 12:03 PM> >>>To: 
>stationary-engine at oldengine.org;> >>>sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> 
> >>>Subject: [SEL] Engine ID needed.> >>>> >>>> >>>Guys,> >>>Could use a 
>little help ID'ing an engine. I> >>>believe it is a Carl Anderson> >>>engine 
>made in Chicago from perusing the BYB.> >>>> >>>If anyone has one please 
>contact me as I need> >>>some information to get it> >>>running.> 
> >>>Thanks,> >>>Curt Holland> >>>Gastonia, NC> >>>> 
> >>><http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/C> >>>> >>>> 
> >>arlAnderson/Thumbnails.html>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > 
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