[SEL] Engine ID needed.

Mike Royster mr at carolina.rr.com
Tue Jun 3 15:30:05 PDT 2008 

Curt:

  Steve is so right about the issues on that engine that keep it going.  I 
am sure he will be wanting to pay for my rotator cuff surgery for the 
countless hours I spent pulling that McVickers through, while Steve "tuned" 
it !!!!

Mike
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Royster" <steve_royster at hotmail.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 11:16 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine ID needed.



Curt if that thing is anything like the McVicker engine, everything has to 
be perfect for it to be able to run. Leaking valves, ignitor,rings, dirty 
contacts on the governor, improper fuel setting, the slightest thing will 
stop it dead. Since it HAS to hit a big lick to actuate the small piston and 
carry the big piston through compression continuously everything has to be 
perfect  to keep it going!  When mine stops at the show you have to go down 
the list and see what just isn't right any longer. Most of our old hit and 
miss engines are very forgiving and will run now matter how badly they are 
worn or timed but when you have one idling against compression and the 
compression is performing other duties like opening valves and other 
pistons.... look out!            I'm sure you'll get it running soon though 
knowing you. When do we get to see it?  Steve> Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 
07:49:20 -0600> From: curt at rustyiron.com> To: 
sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine ID needed.> > 
Tommy, Elden,> Odd duck is right! I initially thought this was a 2 cycle 
engine because> of what looked like ported exhaust, and the fact that every 
time the> piston heads toward TDC it is on compression. Makes sense eh? But 
I found> the engine in the BYB and it claims it is a 4 cycle engine with a 
"special> mechanism that allowed skipping of the exhaust valve push rod.> > 
I'm trying to get the patents to load on my computer, but am having> 
problems with viewing them. I'm getting only partial views at the moment,> 
so I've got a computer issue to muddle thru before learning more.> Patent 
number is 740,571 if you'd like to have a look. If someone happens> to get 
the tif's to download in completion, I'd appreciate an offlist> email with 
the tif's attached, so I can read them. I think there are 8> pages.> > 
Currently the engine is belted to a large 3 phase motor and that's how it> 
is rotated and made to fire on occasion. Turn the power off and the poor> 
engine barely chuffs and can't produce enough power to even sustain> itself, 
so there is much to do to get it running well and making decent> power.> > 
As to the governor linkage, it leads me to believe it is a throttle> 
governed engine. That's fairly unusual too considering the year of> 
manufacture was 1902/3.> Curt> > > > > Elden,> > Kurt needs to answer this 
for sure but I think the 4 cycle mechanism> > works similar to that on a 
McVicker (at least the same principle). The> > engine fires and the 
explosive pressure causes the small shaft> > (connected to some sort of 
internal piston) to "kick out". This engages> > a latch that causes the push 
rod to engage with the exhaust valve.> > Where this engine appears to be 
different than a McVicker is that is has> > linkage connecting the gov to 
the carb. On a McVicker the gov pulls the> > electrical connection away from 
the timer causing the engine to miss.> > But, its missing under compression. 
During the miss cycle the cylinder> > is constantly compressing the fuel, 
then backs off compression as the> > piston travels toward the rear of the 
cylinder. As long as you don't> > have any blow by (or very minimal) this 
system works good. If you have> > blow by then the piston will, on each back 
stroke, suck in a little> > fuel. Then when the governor allows the 
electrical connection it fires> > but floods. The Carl Anderson has to work 
on a bit different> > principle. Possibly the gov system totally cuts off 
the fuel in some> > way and it would be interesting to tear that baby apart 
and figure it> > out. Curt can do it though, I've got faith in him!> >> > 
Tommy Turner> > Magnolia, KY> >> >> >>Kurt:> >>> >>That is an odd duck of an 
engine. I assume it is 4-cycle but if it's> >> only got ported exhaust, how 
does that work?> >>> >>If the exhaust(?) cam turns at crankshaft speed, how 
can it be a 4-cycle?> >> I didn't see anything like a 2-to-1 gizmo on the 
pushrod.> >>> >>How does the governor work? Is it hit and miss or volume 
governed?> >>> >>Lotsa questions! Great oddball engine. I hope it's in your 
shed. If> >> you want to get rid of it, I'll give you scrap price for it if 
you'll> >> help load it into my trailer. Nyuk, nyuk!> >>> >>Take care - 
Elden> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>-----Original Message-----> >>>From: 
sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com> 
 >>>[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On> >>> Behalf Of> 
 >>>curt at rustyiron.com> >>>Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 12:03 PM> >>>To: 
stationary-engine at oldengine.org;> >>>sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> 
 >>>Subject: [SEL] Engine ID needed.> >>>> >>>> >>>Guys,> >>>Could use a 
little help ID'ing an engine. I> >>>believe it is a Carl Anderson> >>>engine 
made in Chicago from perusing the BYB.> >>>> >>>If anyone has one please 
contact me as I need> >>>some information to get it> >>>running.> 
 >>>Thanks,> >>>Curt Holland> >>>Gastonia, NC> >>>> 
 >>><http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/C> >>>> >>>> 
 >>arlAnderson/Thumbnails.html>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > 
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