I have also seen an old guy here in the San Antonio area use re-bar tie wire--- worked great-- very soft and easy to work with--ha! Stan Zettner (old Stover) Pleasanton, Texas You guys are FUN! lol **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020)