[SEL] It works? Ban it!

[brent.tamatea]

Organo phosphates are becoming a thing of the past some of the chemicals we
used to sell at our rural supplies business i am pleased we dont sell
anymore 20 years ago we were selling tear gas from ww1 to fumigate grain
silos brings tears to the eyes just thinking about it imagine a 20 ltr drum
leaking in a city area today imagine the fallout.Another chemical metasystox
taken off the market a systemic insecticide if it spilt down a persons back
could cause paralysis so in some cases better that these substances are gone
the big issue is often not the products but common sense use of the
product.In hazardous chemicals such as the above they need to be resticted
to specialised licenced users like they do with explosives...brent 

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From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tony & Jackie
Sent: Monday, 18 June 2007 2:40 a.m.
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] It works? Ban it!

Usually the whacko liberals and their 
enviro-hysteria are what causes a lot of good 
things to go away.  "This product has been known 
to the state of Kalifornia to cause 
cancer."  Remember, in Kalifornia EVERYTHING is 
known to cause cancer!  I think there should be a 
disclaimer that the state of Kalifornia has been known to cause idiocy.

Although Asbestos and lead definitely got canned 
for good reason, I think the modern 2 part epoxy 
paints are very good, as well as lead free 
gasoline.  Hardened valve seats and guides have 
fixed most of the problems associated with 
lead-free gas.  As far as brakes go, the newer 
ceramic pads are probably the best thing to come 
along.  They don't tear up rotors, don't heat 
fade very much, and don't leave nasty black dust all over your wheels.

-Tony


At 06:52 AM 6/17/2007, you wrote:

>Philosophical thoughts (still relative to Stationary engines) follow;
>
>After a recent discussion between like minded engine folk in my workshop
>over a lubricationary sherbet or two, touching among other topics upon
>our personal favourite solvents for cleaning engines and parts, I
>remarked that we used to use Phenyl for cleaning our motor bikes, and
>how effective it was in dissolving grease and muck without damaging
>paintwork etc. and it brought the chrome and alloy parts up beautifully.
>
>Our workshop cynic remarked, "If it worked that well, it will have been
>banned by now".
>
>(I do expect - hope - that if it has been banned, it would have been for
>a good reason, but I am no chemist.)
>
>BUT . . .
>
>Isn't it remarkable how many of the "old time" products have had to be
>replaced with others very much less effective, since it was found that
>the old products had most undesirable side-effects?
>
>Not only phenyl; paint has never been the same since they took the lead
>out. Likewise petrol. They are still struggling to find an effective
>substitute. Same thing with taking the sulphur out of diesel fuel. Same
>thing with "trico" (tricoethylene) and other solvents, cleaning agents
>and paint-strippers. Same thing with penetrating fluids since they
>became "acid free".
>
>Again, with soldering fluxes. Same thing with brake and clutch linings,
>now asbestos-free. Case-hardening powder used to contain potassium
>cyanide - nasty stuff, and all quite rightly condemned, but they all
>worked very well.
>
>Please, don't get me wrong - I'd never want anyone, especially children,
>exposed to lead or asbestos or any carcinogenic nasties, and I applaud
>all and any efforts to safeguard health issues. I am quite happy to work
>around the deficiencies of the substitutes, but the thought remains that
>they got it right the first time as far as effectiveness is concerned
>given that they got it wrong as far as the health issues are concerned.
>
>My point is that the much safer replacement products are largely
>ineffective.
>
>JW²
>
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