[SEL] OT PA trip & fuel costs

Thu Jun 7 09:10:52 PDT 2007

Oh Bill, I couldn't continue reading your email - the tears in my eyes are
blurring my vision!
I really lost it after this bit
> Vehicles very much like the Gremlin and Eagle are selling well today.
> And Gremlins are actually "chick magnets" out east. Young fellows say the
> girls think they are "cool".

Must have something to do with their slogan
³You only ride like a Pacer if you¹re wide like a Pacer²
http://www.sportscarmarket.com/affordable-classics/2005-January/1975-1980-am
c-pacer.html

BWA-HA-HA-HA!!!
Thank you for my morning funnies!
-- 
Kelley Garcia
La Habra, Ka.
USA

On 6/7/07 8:49 AM, "bill at antique-engines.com" <bill at antique-engines.com>
wrote:

> Uh, yeah - like look at some of the "modern" SUVs, esp the back end. There
> is none, looks chopped off almost like a Gremlin!
> Com'on, look at their profiles! No one can sit straight-faced and tell me
> many of the current cars didn't take some of their design and appearance
> from the 70's, many from the very popular Gremlin and Hornet designs,
> which was one of the most successful body styles in history.
> And the Pacer? What about Taurus and the full-sized Chevy wagon  - talk
> about "bubble cars".  The  Pacer didn't go well because GM didn't follow
> through on their rotary engine, and AMC had to go back to the drawing
> board and shoe-horn in a long I6.
> Interesting also is the fact that AMC of that era are the most popular
> demolition derby cars because as the demo-derby folks say, they hold up
> better! Interesting....... check out the demo-derby sites/forums.
> The AMC I6 was the most successful 6 cylinder engine design as well. Look
> at how many engines were based on the basic design. the 199, 232, 258 and
> ever-popular 242 (4.0 liter) Jeep engine.
> That engine was only recently retired due to issues with the stuff that
> had been used to make that engine - the tooling and such was worn out and
> it was too expensive to re-do it when they were attempting to also put out
> newer designs. Otherwise, it would probably still be going strong.
> Few 6's were so strong or lasted so long. Jeepers love 'em, hard to kill
> them.
> 
> Vehicles very much like the Gremlin and Eagle are selling well today.
> And Gremlins are actually "chick magnets" out east. Young fellows say the
> girls think they are "cool".
> A Gremlin was the national wheel-standing championship winner a few years
> back.
> 
> Oh - beware of the so-called "wikipedia" as we have found nearly as much
> mis-information in that thing as fact. And we've got documents to prove
> it.
> (plus the word of some of the original designers, etc.)
> 
> We've also found them to be factually inaccurate in a lot of non-auto
> related things, too. Well, when you allow anyone and their cousin with a
> 2nd grade education to put in "facts" in that thing, well....... too few
> question it.
> 
> With a little time, I may be able to get you some solid examples of where
> their "facts" are far from that.
> 
> Intrepid, Stratus, etc. are all pretty much AMC designs yet kept Chrysler
> alive for a little longer.
> 
> If they had the cash needed, the AMX3 would have been one of the hottest
> cars ever. Very advanced designs for the times, and there were two
> companies over-seas clamoring for the rights to build them for Eurpoean
> sales.
> I know a fellow who just bought one of the original prototypes. A couple
> still exist.
> 
> How about the AMC TransAm wins with the Javelin?
> 
> The "gas crisis" of the 70's dealt them a heavy blow as did the death of
> the president of Renault.
> 
>>   Ahead of their time in design??  You mean like the Pacer and the
>> Gremlin???
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMC_Gremlin
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMC_Pacer
>> 
>> BWA-HA-HA-HA!!!!!
>> 
>> Party on, Dude
>> http://money.cnn.com/2004/12/16/pf/autos/pacer_auction/
>> --
>> See ya,
>> Kelley
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 6/7/07 5:14 AM, "bill at antique-engines.com" <bill at antique-engines.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Because my AMCs will outlast his Jag.............. how many of those
>>> will
>>> be around in 37 years (my Jav with 350 hp), or even 27 years (the
>>> Eagles,
>>> rust-free) and can still buy off-the-shelf parts for them from Jeep
>>> dealers.
>>> 
>>> So they were 20+ years ahead of their time, and most of what Chrysler
>>> did
>>> in the 90's, even through to today, was already on the AMC tables when
>>> they took over. The Magnum engines, for example, the "cab-forward"
>>> design,
>>> etc., all AMC designs. One of the main reasons for the take-over was
>>> Chrysler needed ideas, wasn't able to come up with anything really new,
>>> so
>>> they bought AMC for their ideas, designs and technology, much of which
>>> has
>>> been released over the last decade. AMC designers worked on Jeep and
>>> Dodge
>>> truck designs for years after '87.
>>> Much of what AMC had in the design room was too far ahead of time and
>>> consumers wouldn't buy it back then, but will now.
>>> 
>>> Compare their ideas and designs of the 70's/80's to today's cars - and
>>> see
>>> how many matches you can find.  Do some patent searches.......
>>> 
>>>> But Dave....   Why would you want title to an AMC???
>>>> --
>>>> Kelley
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 6/6/07 6:09 PM, "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Yeah, like Ford has just introduced an amazing new type of vehicle,
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> cross-over utility vehicle! Gee, what was my 1980 EAGLE???
>>>>>> And it got in the 20's for economy and was FULL TIME 4 wheel drive.
>>>>>> Bil
>>>>> 
>>>>> Big friggin deal. My wife's 4X4 2002 Jag X Type gets 26/28 mpg and
>>>>> would
>>>>> burn your silly ass EAGLE to ashes in the 1/4 mile!
>>>>>          Dave
>>>>> PS, Titles any time you would like to try it!
>>>>> 
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