[SEL] OT PA trip & fuel costs

Thu Jun 7 08:49:08 PDT 2007

Uh, yeah - like look at some of the "modern" SUVs, esp the back end. There
is none, looks chopped off almost like a Gremlin!
Com'on, look at their profiles! No one can sit straight-faced and tell me
many of the current cars didn't take some of their design and appearance
from the 70's, many from the very popular Gremlin and Hornet designs,
which was one of the most successful body styles in history.
And the Pacer? What about Taurus and the full-sized Chevy wagon  - talk
about "bubble cars".  The  Pacer didn't go well because GM didn't follow
through on their rotary engine, and AMC had to go back to the drawing
board and shoe-horn in a long I6.
Interesting also is the fact that AMC of that era are the most popular
demolition derby cars because as the demo-derby folks say, they hold up
better! Interesting....... check out the demo-derby sites/forums.
The AMC I6 was the most successful 6 cylinder engine design as well. Look
at how many engines were based on the basic design. the 199, 232, 258 and
ever-popular 242 (4.0 liter) Jeep engine.
That engine was only recently retired due to issues with the stuff that
had been used to make that engine - the tooling and such was worn out and
it was too expensive to re-do it when they were attempting to also put out
newer designs. Otherwise, it would probably still be going strong.
Few 6's were so strong or lasted so long. Jeepers love 'em, hard to kill
them.

Vehicles very much like the Gremlin and Eagle are selling well today.
And Gremlins are actually "chick magnets" out east. Young fellows say the
girls think they are "cool".
A Gremlin was the national wheel-standing championship winner a few years
back.

Oh - beware of the so-called "wikipedia" as we have found nearly as much
mis-information in that thing as fact. And we've got documents to prove
it.
(plus the word of some of the original designers, etc.)

We've also found them to be factually inaccurate in a lot of non-auto
related things, too. Well, when you allow anyone and their cousin with a
2nd grade education to put in "facts" in that thing, well....... too few
question it.

With a little time, I may be able to get you some solid examples of where
their "facts" are far from that.

Intrepid, Stratus, etc. are all pretty much AMC designs yet kept Chrysler
alive for a little longer.

If they had the cash needed, the AMX3 would have been one of the hottest
cars ever. Very advanced designs for the times, and there were two
companies over-seas clamoring for the rights to build them for Eurpoean
sales.
I know a fellow who just bought one of the original prototypes. A couple
still exist.

How about the AMC TransAm wins with the Javelin?

The "gas crisis" of the 70's dealt them a heavy blow as did the death of
the president of Renault.

>   Ahead of their time in design??  You mean like the Pacer and the
> Gremlin???
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMC_Gremlin
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMC_Pacer
>
> BWA-HA-HA-HA!!!!!
>
> Party on, Dude
> http://money.cnn.com/2004/12/16/pf/autos/pacer_auction/
> --
> See ya,
> Kelley
>
>
>
> On 6/7/07 5:14 AM, "bill at antique-engines.com" <bill at antique-engines.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Because my AMCs will outlast his Jag.............. how many of those
>> will
>> be around in 37 years (my Jav with 350 hp), or even 27 years (the
>> Eagles,
>> rust-free) and can still buy off-the-shelf parts for them from Jeep
>> dealers.
>>
>> So they were 20+ years ahead of their time, and most of what Chrysler
>> did
>> in the 90's, even through to today, was already on the AMC tables when
>> they took over. The Magnum engines, for example, the "cab-forward"
>> design,
>> etc., all AMC designs. One of the main reasons for the take-over was
>> Chrysler needed ideas, wasn't able to come up with anything really new,
>> so
>> they bought AMC for their ideas, designs and technology, much of which
>> has
>> been released over the last decade. AMC designers worked on Jeep and
>> Dodge
>> truck designs for years after '87.
>> Much of what AMC had in the design room was too far ahead of time and
>> consumers wouldn't buy it back then, but will now.
>>
>> Compare their ideas and designs of the 70's/80's to today's cars - and
>> see
>> how many matches you can find.  Do some patent searches.......
>>
>>> But Dave....   Why would you want title to an AMC???
>>> --
>>> Kelley
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6/6/07 6:09 PM, "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Yeah, like Ford has just introduced an amazing new type of vehicle,
>>>>> the
>>>>> cross-over utility vehicle! Gee, what was my 1980 EAGLE???
>>>>> And it got in the 20's for economy and was FULL TIME 4 wheel drive.
>>>>> Bil
>>>>
>>>> Big friggin deal. My wife's 4X4 2002 Jag X Type gets 26/28 mpg and
>>>> would
>>>> burn your silly ass EAGLE to ashes in the 1/4 mile!
>>>>          Dave
>>>> PS, Titles any time you would like to try it!
>>>>
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