[SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils

[Rick Rowlands]

Looking at the page in your link I personally like the peter wright and hay 
budden designs.   Someone else has already asked me about making the cones 
but I cannot remember who.  I can also make the hardie tools someday.

We have a logo which used to be the William Tod Company's logo.  Its on our 
sign in front of the property.

http://community.webshots.com/photo/453467954/1453484357033749120aGCDLF

I was thinking of putting that logo with "Tod Engine Works Youngstown, Ohio" 
on one side and the weight and casting date on the other.

Rick

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve W." <falcon at telenet.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 9:10 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils


> Tom has a good pattern you could copy... The picture he linked has a
> pretty good line-up of different designs.
>
> Basically it needs to be stable and have the steel under the areas that
> you use for working the steel. While the Nimba is an UGLY looking anvil
> it is a great working piece. Then at the other end of the spectrum are
> the newer farriers anvils, they don't have enough iron in the heel or
> horn to be used effectively as a heavy anvil.  Then if you toss in the
> old Japanese designs (simple block shapes) or some of the German or
> Greek armorers anvils (they had cast in curves and divots to form arm
> and leg armor) easier, it gets a bit confusing.
>
> Personally I like either the Peddinghaus style or the Vaughn/Brooks. The
> old Mouse Hole anvils are good workers but that short horn means you
> need to have a few stake anvils to form smaller items (which isn't a bad
> thing) You might consider making a few accessories as well. Things like
> forming cones and stakes and hardie tools are getting very hard to find
> because of all the folks "collecting" them.
>
> http://www.blackiron.us/anvil-types.html  shows many of the styles.
>
> Now for the 100 dollar question, What will you be using for your
> trademark on the anvil? Maybe a cast in image of the Tod?
>
> Steve Williams
> Near Cooperstown, New York
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Rick Rowlands" <jrrowlands at neo.rr.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 7:00 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils
>
>
>> It won't be a huge money maker for me but apparently there is a need
> for a
>> moderately priced American made anvil.   Anyways 100 years from now
> they
>> will become collectors items.
>>
>> The question now seems to be to pick a design for the anvil.  Anyone
> have
>> any thoughts as to what the best design would be?  I don't know
> anything
>> about blacksmithing and wouldn't know what or what not to include in
> it.
>>
>> Rick Rowlands
>> Tod Engine Works
>> Makers of Quality iron, steel, ductile iron
>> and nonferrous castings
>> 249 North Water Avenue
>> Sharon, PA 16146
>> 330-728-2799
>> Fax 330-759-1524
>> www.todengine.org/engineworks.html
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Steve W." <falcon at telenet.net>
>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 7:03 PM
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils
>>
>>
>> > If you can turn out a 250 for $2.00 a pound you WILL sell a BUNCH of
>> > them. That is just about what used old anvils are bringing in price.
>> >
>> > Steve Williams
>> > Near Cooperstown, New York
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message ----- 
>> > From: "Rick Rowlands" <jrrowlands at neo.rr.com>
>> > To: "The SEL email discussion list"
> <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> > Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 10:52 AM
>> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing / Anvils
>> >
>> >
>> >> I did some research and there is a fellow in the US making steel
>> > anvils,
>> >> however I think his prices are a bit on the high side.  How many
>> > hobbyist
>> >> blacksmiths can afford to spend $1,450 on a 260 pound anvil, even
> if
>> > it is a
>> >> beautiful piece?
>> >>
>> >> http://www.anvils.nimbaforge.com/
>> >>
>> >> According to his website he has them poured out of 8640 steel and
> heat
>> >> treated to rockwell 50.   I've made 8640 before and a local heat
>> > treater
>> >> will have no problem doing the correct treatment.  We could
> probably
>> > sell a
>> >> comparable anvil at a profit for around $500.  However the anvil
> would
>> > have
>> >> the as cast finish except for the face which I could plane on our
>> > 1880s
>> >> Putnam planer or 20" G&E shaper.
>> >>
>> >> I think Curt is interested in making the pattern for this one. I
> can't
>> > pour
>> >> these with my current furnace however I'm agressively looking for a
>> > 300
>> >> pound furnace which would be able to handle this size anvil.
>> >>
>> >> Rick Rowlands
>> >> Tod Engine Works
>> >> Makers of Quality iron, steel, ductile iron
>> >> and nonferrous castings
>> >> 249 North Water Avenue
>> >> Sharon, PA 16146
>> >> 330-728-2799
>> >> Fax 330-759-1524
>> >> www.todengine.org/engineworks.html
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>> >> From: "Steve W." <falcon at telenet.net>
>> >> To: "The SEL email discussion list"
> <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> >> Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 9:55 AM
>> >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing (a tad OT) bringing the next
>> > generation
>> >> along.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > Not sure what steel it is but it runs about .40 points of carbon
>> >> > content. The main problem is that the face isn't heat treated
> evenly
>> > so
>> >> > some have soft areas. What kind of money would you be talking and
>> > how
>> >> > large could you pour? There is actually a LARGE market for a good
>> > steel
>> >> > anvil made in the US.
>> >> >
>> >> > Steve Williams
>> >> > Near Cooperstown, New York
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > ----- Original Message ----- 
>> >> > From: "Rick Rowlands" <jrrowlands at neo.rr.com>
>> >> > To: "The SEL email discussion list"
>> > <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> >> > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 6:23 PM
>> >> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing (a tad OT) bringing the next
>> > generation
>> >> > along.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >> I'll make you one out of real steel (8630 heat treated) once I
> get
>> > the
>> >> >> larger furnace installed.  Who knows what that russian stuff is.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Rick
>> >> >>
>> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> >> >> From: "Steve W." <falcon at telenet.net>
>> >> >> To: "The SEL email discussion list"
>> > <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> >> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 4:05 PM
>> >> >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Blacksmithing (a tad OT) bringing the next
>> >> > generation
>> >> >> along.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > Want a decent anvil for a GOOD price? Wander into Harbor
> Freight
>> > and
>> >> > buy
>> >> >> > the 110 pound RUSSIAN imported steel anvil they sell. I have
> two
>> > of
>> >> > them
>> >> >> > and they work  well once you reshape the nose and clean up the
>> > face.
>> >> > I
>> >> >> > do blade smithing on mine and use the other to make "iron"
> items
>> > for
>> >> >> > other folks.
>> >> >> > I also have a 200 pounder that I found cheap.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Steve Williams
>> >> >> > Near Cooperstown, New York
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Pacifism - The theory that if they'd fed
>> >> >> > Jeffrey Dahmer enough human flesh,
>> >> >> > he'd have become a vegan.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- 
>> >> >> > From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
>> >> >> > To: "SEL" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; "SEL
>> > (Oldengine.org)"
>> >> >> > <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
>> >> >> > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 2:49 PM
>> >> >> > Subject: [SEL] Blacksmithing (a tad OT) bringing the next
>> > generation
>> >> >> > along.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> We've attended the SIAM show for quite a few years and this
> is a
>> >> > show
>> >> >> >> Devin particularly enjoys in large part because of the
>> > blacksmith
>> >> >> > there.
>> >> >> >> He has been very patient with Devin thru the years as he hung
>> >> > around
>> >> >> >> poking the fire and cranking the blower. In time the fellow
> has
>> > let
>> >> >> > him
>> >> >> >> do more and more and Devin seems to be picking up a strong
>> > interest
>> >> > in
>> >> >> >> this part of the old iron hobby.
>> >> >> >> For those at Portland in the SEL area last fall, you may
> recall
>> >> > Devin
>> >> >> >> picked up a forge blower. For his birthday last weekend (now
> a
>> >> >> > teenager)
>> >> >> >> we picked up a forge pan from Clayton Ballard that was
> missing
>> > all
>> >> > the
>> >> >> >> built in blower parts. This was perfect as Devin had a stand
>> > alone
>> >> >> >> blower. I made a air entrance and elbow to attach the
> temporary
>> >> > hose
>> >> >> > to
>> >> >> >> (shop vac hose) and Devin gave it a whirl on Sunday evening.
>> > Missy
>> >> > and
>> >> >> > I
>> >> >> >> sat and had our afternoon drink (her Scotch, my beer) and
>> > enjoyed
>> >> > the
>> >> >> >> entertainment Devin provided. I took a couple of pictures and
>> > they
>> >> > are
>> >> >> > here:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >
>> >
> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/BlacksmithDevin/Thumbna
>> >> >> > ils.html>
>> >> >> >> The little anvil he is using is a tad small, so we may be on
> the
>> >> >> > lookout
>> >> >> >> for a decent sized anvil. Believe we will also set up a
> little
>> > area
>> >> > in
>> >> >> >> the backyard with a roof for him to 'smith in. He definitely
>> > needs
>> >> > to
>> >> >> > be
>> >> >> >> further away from the house as the coal smoke will soon soot
> up
>> > the
>> >> >> > side
>> >> >> >> of the house!
>> >> >> >> Missy and I are quite encouraged that he is showing interest
> in
>> >> > this
>> >> >> >> even as the teen years are beginning. Kids need something
>> >> > productive
>> >> >> >> that keeps them challenged and interested in contrast to all
> the
>> >> > other
>> >> >> >> temptations available to them at this age.
>> >> >> >> Not many pictures to look at on the link yet, but we hope you
>> > enjoy
>> >> >> > them.
>> >> >> >> Curt & Missy Holland
>> >> >> >> Gastonia, NC
>> >> >> >>
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