Arnie - Now - - - I can agree with that "getting a grip" statement. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ (_o_) "Management is the art of getting other people to do all the work."