[SEL] Re: Get it together Spencer

[Spencer Yost]

First, thanks for the overwhelming support.   As many of you have said on
the AT list and on the SEL list, you don't ave trouble with delays (a few
minutes to an hour or so is "normal").   Most of the ones that do keep it
in perspective.   Many have been quick to point out that I worked closely
with their ISP until I could get no further or could get an authoritative
answer.   Many others went ahead and started using smaller, local, fee
based but robust and reputable companies for their email so this doesn't
happen.    In almost every circumstances, the ones that do have trouble are
International users (for some reason international addresses are much more
likely to show up on black lists), use large services or free-mail services
that are constantly deferring mail or are sources of SPAM and virus storms
and therefore are on the black lists until their email administrators
straighten things out.   I get HUNDREDS of messages a day like the
following:

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
<deanvp at att.net>... Deferred
Warning: message still undelivered after 4 hours
Will keep trying until message is 5 days old

As you can see, att.net was too busy to deliver the messages.  This is ATT
now - They are too busy to handle mail.   I get these from AOL, Earthlink,
any of the big telecomm guys(Verizon, Sprint, alltel, etc), and from the
companies you'd expect:  hotMail, yahooMail, netzero, etc.   This is
PRIMARILY due to the fact the list mail gets sent out with a Precedence of
"List".  I can't help this, can't change it, shouldn't change it and the
system is running exactly as it should.

To be empathetic for minute,. though they don't deserve it,  I do
understand that the small handful that are acting truly immature are
actually just frustrated they don't understand the technology and can't
control it.  Technology is a migration of a mind set from tangible to
intangible; an instinctual to cerebral migration that is difficult for some
folks and it pushes them out of their comfort zone and exposes a set of
weakness they can't stand seeing in themselves(which of us does though?).
Lashing out and raging is a temporary salve for them.

BTW - Jeff isn't gone, he is still subscribed - They all are.   The more
they whine about stuff that has been reasonably explained to them, the less
likely I am to be lucky enough to get rid of them.

Spencer Yost
Owner, ATIS
Plow the Net!
http://www.atis.net

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On 2/17/2006 at 6:18 PM peter ogborne wrote:

>We can only hope that he does go THIS TIME!
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Jim and Diane" <jd.kirkes at verizon.net>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 4:43 PM
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Get it together Spencer
>
>
>>I think your leaving is a good idea.  How soon does it happen?
>> 
>> Jim
>> 
>> Jim and Diane Kirkes
>> Hemet, CA , U.S.A.
>> jd.kirkes at verizon.net