>For the vehicles, I use 50/50 mix. > >Not happy about the manufacturers diluting it and charging double. >Used to buy Antifreeze for $4 - Now it's $9 and diluted 50/50. > >Joe "Pip" Betz said that. I believe that 50/50 will give you -34 degrees F. You don't have to buy it diluted. It's still available "full strength!" Dave