I don't remember using a spring type clothes pin - I DO remember using a gum band (rubber band) and an empty sewing thread spool. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ If we had our life to live over, (_o_) we'd probably make the same mistakes sooner.