[SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again.

Wed Mar 23 14:43:53 PST 2005

Ron,

As a member of the Organising Club I noticed that some of those officials
who were "enforcing" matters were not members of the Naracoorte Club.

I think in this debate over Nation Rallies one thing that has come to my
realisation is that any club only has one opportunity to run the rally.
There are very few guidelines given by NHMA on how it should be done.
NAracoorte made plenty of mistakes, as I bet every club who has previously
run one did and so will those who run them in the future.

In all this I have not found anyone that did not enjoy the experience.
Steve and Denise Kitto
4 Fifth Ave
Naracoorte
South Australia
Ph 08 87621147

As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man.
Proverbs 27:19
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron Page" <page at velocitynet.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 10:16 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again.

> Well said Kerry.  Maybe it is time some of the NHMA members spent some
time
> on the committee (only elected for two years) and sent out the message to
> the club officials not to be so officious.  As you say we are only there
to
> enjoy ourselves.
>
> Ron
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kerry" <ozengine at optusnet.com.au>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 10:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again.
>
>
> > G'Day Ron and All
> >
> > With all due respect,
> > > I am sure the insurer would use them for their benefit in the event of
> an
> > > accident to the public.
> > and
> > > And if you want to put on a display without fencing go ahead, but
until
> > > they
> > > put it in writing you wont be covered and because of this you will not
> be
> > > allowed to show by the local Councils insurance requirement - not the
> NHMA
> >
> > WHO SAID?,  I am lead to believe the insurance person at the rally
stated
> at
> > the Friday Night Meeting that the insurance would be honoured even if
> there
> > were no fences installed.
> > We were told before the rally  if we had problems with insurance talk to
> > him,  he made the statement (of which I did not hear first hand but
there
> > was a major discussion by everyone on Saturday), now you are hiding
behind
> > "its Association Guidelines", I can ensure you, clubs are not using them
> as
> > guidelines but RULES you must 100% abide by, and some of the safety
> offices
> > will make you believe it is the LAW, at Hayfield my transport wheels was
2
> > inches over the 1 metre line but the flywheel was a foot on the engine
> side
> > of the line I was ordered to move the transport 2" so it would be
totally
> 1
> > metre from fence (other list members were present), this is just crap
and
> > the Guidelines, stupid club officials and Gestapo safety officers are
out
> of
> > control.
> >
> > We have been constantly told by club and Association officials the OHS
and
> > insurance requirements drove the guidelines the way they were drafted,
if
> > you remember any of my posts last year they all had a common thread,
that
> it
> > was not necessary the insurance requirements but the association making
up
> > its own rules, if the statements of the insurance person is true then my
> > thoughts are correct.
> >
> > As I have said many times I have no problems with the fences only the
> > Guidelines / RULES that have been enforced on us by people that should
> have
> > been looking after us for our enjoyment while running engines.
> >
> > In regards to the dogs I think we all know about Laws on unrestrained
> dogs,
> > but reading Reg's post he was chatted by a club official at a rally,
what
> > bloody right has any club official got to administer the LAW, what is
> next,
> > safety officers checking if our trailer is registered or not or if we
had
> a
> > tetanus shot encase we touch our rusty iron.
> >
> > To finalise I think a lot of people attending rallies are fed up with
> > officials hiding behind legal (OHS and Insurance) issues and not doing
the
> > best for the people that run engines at rallies
> >
> > Just my 2 bobs worth nothing personal
> >
> > While I am in the writing mood, I had a great time at Naracoorte, was a
> good
> > rally but I was totally pissed off to start with, after driving 1400 km
I
> > arrived at 6.00 pm Thursday night still with several hours of light, I
> made
> > sure I was there Thursday as Friday was a run day for school kids, no
> > problem just drove longer ot get there.
> > Got to the gate to be told by some club official "Your too late come
back
> > tomorrow" what about unloading my engines first I said, I told you come
> back
> > tommorow he said, no reason was given, as I departed I told him my
bloody
> > engines will stay in the trailer for the weekend, he just schrugged his
> > shoulders.
> > Arriving Friday morning to unload I was told by some other club official
"
> > you have half an hour to unload then get your car and trailer into the
car
> > park.
> > I cannot believe the way some club officials carry on, it will be the
last
> > National I will take engines to as I dont need all the crap and
importance
> > clubs dish out to us that bring engines
> >
> > Kerry Morris
> > Lithgow Oz
> >
> > > Hi Curt
> > >
> > > I don't know where people got the idea that the requirement for fences
> was
> > > a LAW.  Our legislators have not made LAWS in this regard however have
> > > done
> > > in other areas such as occupation and health.  We, private citizens,
> even
> > > if
> > > we belong to a National body cannot make LAWS.  In the case of our
> > > Association we have not even made RULES.  As I have stated before that
> the
> > > Association has only issued GUIDELINES (there are reasons for this
which
> I
> > > have explained before) for the conduct of an engine rally, National or
> > > otherwise.  These have no standing in LAW, however, in saying that, I
am
> > > sure the insurer would use them for their benefit in the event of an
> > > accident to the public.  The last insurance policy I looked at
included
> > > reference to the guidelines.  I have not seen the latest policy.
> > >
> > > In regards to your comment regarding laws about unrestrained animals
> (read
> > > dogs).  Yes the majority of councils if not all have laws regarding
> > > unleashed dogs in public places and cleaning up their droppings as you
> go
> > > a
> > > long. In fact some councils provide bins and plastics bags for dog
> owners
> > > for this purpose.  It all stems from the number of dog attacks on
humans
> > > that we have had over the past few years, some resulting in death.
And
> > > the
> > > other part is as a result of pedestrians stepping into the droppings.
> > > However you can be lucky my place backs onto a "free range" area and
my
> > > dogs
> > > can run loose and, best of all, I don't have to carry plastic bags.
> > >
> > > While I have been writing this I notice that Reg has commented.  I
agree
> > > with you Reg.  I would like to see the Insurers put it in writing.
Bet
> > > they
> > > don't.
> > >
> > > And if you want to put on a display without fencing go ahead, but
until
> > > they
> > > put it in writing you wont be covered and because of this you will not
> be
> > > allowed to show by the local Councils insurance requirement - not the
> > > NHMA.
> > >
> > > Ron
> > >
> >
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