[SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again.

[Kerry]

G'Day Ron and All

With all due respect,
> I am sure the insurer would use them for their benefit in the event of an
> accident to the public.
and
> And if you want to put on a display without fencing go ahead, but until 
> they
> put it in writing you wont be covered and because of this you will not be
> allowed to show by the local Councils insurance requirement - not the NHMA

WHO SAID?,  I am lead to believe the insurance person at the rally stated at 
the Friday Night Meeting that the insurance would be honoured even if there 
were no fences installed.
We were told before the rally  if we had problems with insurance talk to 
him,  he made the statement (of which I did not hear first hand but there 
was a major discussion by everyone on Saturday), now you are hiding behind 
"its Association Guidelines", I can ensure you, clubs are not using them as 
guidelines but RULES you must 100% abide by, and some of the safety offices 
will make you believe it is the LAW, at Hayfield my transport wheels was 2 
inches over the 1 metre line but the flywheel was a foot on the engine side 
of the line I was ordered to move the transport 2" so it would be totally 1 
metre from fence (other list members were present), this is just crap and 
the Guidelines, stupid club officials and Gestapo safety officers are out of 
control.

We have been constantly told by club and Association officials the OHS and 
insurance requirements drove the guidelines the way they were drafted, if 
you remember any of my posts last year they all had a common thread, that it 
was not necessary the insurance requirements but the association making up 
its own rules, if the statements of the insurance person is true then my 
thoughts are correct.

As I have said many times I have no problems with the fences only the 
Guidelines / RULES that have been enforced on us by people that should have 
been looking after us for our enjoyment while running engines.

In regards to the dogs I think we all know about Laws on unrestrained dogs, 
but reading Reg's post he was chatted by a club official at a rally, what 
bloody right has any club official got to administer the LAW, what is next, 
safety officers checking if our trailer is registered or not or if we had a 
tetanus shot encase we touch our rusty iron.

To finalise I think a lot of people attending rallies are fed up with 
officials hiding behind legal (OHS and Insurance) issues and not doing the 
best for the people that run engines at rallies

Just my 2 bobs worth nothing personal

While I am in the writing mood, I had a great time at Naracoorte, was a good 
rally but I was totally pissed off to start with, after driving 1400 km I 
arrived at 6.00 pm Thursday night still with several hours of light, I made 
sure I was there Thursday as Friday was a run day for school kids, no 
problem just drove longer ot get there.
Got to the gate to be told by some club official "Your too late come back 
tomorrow" what about unloading my engines first I said, I told you come back 
tommorow he said, no reason was given, as I departed I told him my bloody 
engines will stay in the trailer for the weekend, he just schrugged his 
shoulders.
Arriving Friday morning to unload I was told by some other club official " 
you have half an hour to unload then get your car and trailer into the car 
park.
I cannot believe the way some club officials carry on, it will be the last 
National I will take engines to as I dont need all the crap and importance 
clubs dish out to us that bring engines

Kerry Morris
Lithgow Oz

> Hi Curt
>
> I don't know where people got the idea that the requirement for fences was
> a LAW.  Our legislators have not made LAWS in this regard however have 
> done
> in other areas such as occupation and health.  We, private citizens, even 
> if
> we belong to a National body cannot make LAWS.  In the case of our
> Association we have not even made RULES.  As I have stated before that the
> Association has only issued GUIDELINES (there are reasons for this which I
> have explained before) for the conduct of an engine rally, National or
> otherwise.  These have no standing in LAW, however, in saying that, I am
> sure the insurer would use them for their benefit in the event of an
> accident to the public.  The last insurance policy I looked at included
> reference to the guidelines.  I have not seen the latest policy.
>
> In regards to your comment regarding laws about unrestrained animals (read
> dogs).  Yes the majority of councils if not all have laws regarding
> unleashed dogs in public places and cleaning up their droppings as you go 
> a
> long. In fact some councils provide bins and plastics bags for dog owners
> for this purpose.  It all stems from the number of dog attacks on humans
> that we have had over the past few years, some resulting in death.  And 
> the
> other part is as a result of pedestrians stepping into the droppings.
> However you can be lucky my place backs onto a "free range" area and my 
> dogs
> can run loose and, best of all, I don't have to carry plastic bags.
>
> While I have been writing this I notice that Reg has commented.  I agree
> with you Reg.  I would like to see the Insurers put it in writing.  Bet 
> they
> don't.
>
> And if you want to put on a display without fencing go ahead, but until 
> they
> put it in writing you wont be covered and because of this you will not be
> allowed to show by the local Councils insurance requirement - not the 
> NHMA.
>
> Ron
>