[SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again.

[Ron Page]

Hi Curt

 I don't know where people got the idea that the requirement for fences was
a LAW.  Our legislators have not made LAWS in this regard however have done
in other areas such as occupation and health.  We, private citizens, even if
we belong to a National body cannot make LAWS.  In the case of our
Association we have not even made RULES.  As I have stated before that the
Association has only issued GUIDELINES (there are reasons for this which I
have explained before) for the conduct of an engine rally, National or
otherwise.  These have no standing in LAW, however, in saying that, I am
sure the insurer would use them for their benefit in the event of an
accident to the public.  The last insurance policy I looked at included
reference to the guidelines.  I have not seen the latest policy.

In regards to your comment regarding laws about unrestrained animals (read
dogs).  Yes the majority of councils if not all have laws regarding
unleashed dogs in public places and cleaning up their droppings as you go a
long. In fact some councils provide bins and plastics bags for dog owners
for this purpose.  It all stems from the number of dog attacks on humans
that we have had over the past few years, some resulting in death.  And the
other part is as a result of pedestrians stepping into the droppings.
However you can be lucky my place backs onto a "free range" area and my dogs
can run loose and, best of all, I don't have to carry plastic bags.

While I have been writing this I notice that Reg has commented.  I agree
with you Reg.  I would like to see the Insurers put it in writing.  Bet they
don't.

And if you want to put on a display without fencing go ahead, but until they
put it in writing you wont be covered and because of this you will not be
allowed to show by the local Councils insurance requirement - not the NHMA.

Ron


----- Original Message -----
From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 12:02 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Dogs on show grounds (OT?)now fences...again.


> Barry,
> In years past you have espoused a LOT about fences and such all claiming
> it was the law. Did not get the chance to meet you at the Naracoorte
> ralley to discuss insurance and fences with you, but there was a rumor
> floating around the National this year that the fences were NOT the law.
> Apparently there was considerable backlash against the folks manning the
> insurance tent and that during some meeting one of the insurance reps
> stood up and stated that the fences were NOT a requirement of the
> national insurance body, but rather that was a decision left to the
> local clubs managing the shows. With that said, I have to question if
> there is really such a trivial law on the Oz book that bans unrestrained
> pets in public places. Hard to imagine legislators wasting their time on
> such trivial matters. Perhaps local ordinances could dictate....but laws?
>
> Since I have mentioned the fences, I'll comment on them and their impact
> on show attendees. Missy and I started off looking at engines from
> outside of the compounds. The advantage the compounds have are to impose
> extremely well managed arrangement of engines. I'm guessing the
> compounds were roughly 10 metres wide and several hundred metres long.
> There was a removable fence section at each end. This arrangement made
> unloading and loading one's engines quite difficult unless you simply
> relinquished the task to the crane operator who would set your engine
> over the fence edge. If you wanted to do it yourself you had to roll
> your display all the way down the length of the compound since there
> were no intermediate openings in the compounds. Most displays were set
> with the more interesting side toward the fence.
>
> For the general public who knows little about the engines wandering down
> the aisles is likely sufficient. But for those fascinated with the
> workings of the engines being outside of the compounds was not going to
> do it. After the first row we hopped the fence so we could get a better
> look. Now we could walk all around the engines, study them, touch them,
> meet and shake hands with the owners, exchange business cards, take
> pictures without having to wait on spectators to clear the area, read
> s/n's and other tag information, etc. From inside it felt just like an
> engine show in the US....except that we were in side shaft heaven!
>
> Towards the end of Saturday I ripped the seat out of a brand new pair of
> shorts crawling over the fences. I'd guess having my big white bum
> showing in public was against the law too ;-)
> So I gotta say I incurred more risk and injury from the fences than from
> the thrashing, maiming, rotating machinery on display :-)
> Perhaps Missy or Nick would care to comment.....
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
> P.S. Pictures on the way....sorting thru 801 photos.
>
>
> Barry Gorman wrote:
>
> > Reg ,       I am Really sorry to hear this, But it is The Law ,
> > Our rally is due in two weeks , a lot of water has travelled
> > under the bridge since the last one so I hope you don't try to
> > throw the blame in the wrong direction ,
> > Regards ,
> >              Barry Gorman
>
>
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