[SEL] Famous/Osborn questions

[edd payne]

Just of interest.A friend of mine here has a 2hp nonpareil and the cylinder
bore is smaller than a 2hp famous,Also the Webster bkt is made by IHC and
has there emblem on it and no Webster # and many of its parts are bronze
castings rather than iron.The carb ,exhaust rocker and most other parts are
different also.This engine is also much smaller than a Famous and appears to
be the same size as a Famous Jr.
EDD PAYNE
PO BOX 364 GULGONG
New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
0263742387
edsingns at winsoft.net.au
----- Original Message -----
From: "Harry Terpstra" <h.terpstra at wxs.nl>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 7:08
Subject: Re: [SEL] Famous/Osborn questions


> John,
> I think that if IHC say that it's an engine to compete with ceaper
engines,
> I think it means that it's built cheaper.
> I don't find any features that seems cheap made. It's the same (high)
> quallity than the Famous.
>
> > I have no info about the bore and strokes, but the 4 hp NP had a 30"
> >
> ooops i don't even know the dia of my own engine's flywheel;-)
> Yes you're right. It's 30"
> It seems International never mentioned the bore and stroke in their sale
> ads.
> I only know because I had both engines at the same time, so I could
compare
> every part.
> Actually I think only the fuel & waterpump are the same, and the cylinder
> head, and the rocker arm(s).
> also the piston and cranshaft are the same.
> The rest (all the main castings) are different.
>
>
> Harry Terpstra
> Sint Annaparochie
> Netherlands
> h.terpstra at wxs.nl
> http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Hammink" <jg.hammink at quicknet.nl>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 11:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Famous/Osborn questions
>
>
> > Hi Harry,
> > I think you misread the post, I didn't say it was a "cheap" engine.
> > Nonpareil engines were likely built to compete with cheaper engines
> > being built by many other companies.
> > I have no info about the bore and strokes, but the 4 hp NP had a 30"
> > flywheel and the 6 hp had the 33".
> > All the different styles magnetos were options only for the customers
> > convenience IMO, dependent the use and needs for the engine.
> > Standard they came with battery and spark coil.
> >
> > John Hammink
> > Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
> > jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
> > www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > So now I know for sure thats not true.
> > I learned something today John;-)
> >
> > I know the difference between the Nonpareil and the Famous engines.
> > I had both the 3hp Famous and the 4hp Nonpareil. The 4hp NP has the same
> > bore x stroke as the 3hp famous.
> > However the flywheels are much bigger  ( I think 33" compared to 26½"
for
> > the Famous)
> > Also almost all castings are diffrent, it hardly seems a way of saving
> money
> > building a "cheap" engine.
> >
> > > Your engine is fitted with a Bosch oscillating magneto, they
> > > were first fitted in 1913 for the verticals on demand.
> > >
> > I wonder why IHC had so many diffrent styles magneto options for the
> > verticals. Does it make more expensive IMO.
> > The Bosch however is a GREAT magneto!! And all the monkey motion makes
it
> > very interesting to look at when running;-)
> >
> > > What I understand from Mike he was talking about an Osborne
> > > engine tag.
> > >
> > I'm very curious to see the Osborne tag Mike!!
> >
> >
> > Harry Terpstra
> > Sint Annaparochie
> > Netherlands
> > h.terpstra at wxs.nl
> > http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John Hammink" <jg.hammink at quicknet.nl>
> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 1:42 AM
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Famous/Osborn questions
> >
> >
> > > Harry, they never built stationary engines in Germany.
> > > Only in 1937 they started to built the engines for the first
> > > F12-G tractors.
> > > The Nonpareil type engine was basically the same as the
> > > Famous-Titan series, but was built somewhat lighter.
> > > Compare of the shipping weight of the two types and it is
> > > easely seen. These engines were most likely built to compete
> > > with cheaper engines being built by many other companies.
> > > Your engine is fitted with a Bosch oscillating magneto, they
> > > were first fitted in 1913 for the verticals on demand.
> > > The 4 and 5 hp Nonpareil engines were built from 1909 to
> > > 1916. The 5 hp only for the foreign market. They were sold
> > > by McCormick and Osborne dealers.
> > > What I understand from Mike he was talking about an Osborne
> > > engine tag.
> > > After all those years there're and always will be questions.
> > >
> > > John Hammink
> > > Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
> > > jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
> > > www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web
> >
> >
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