[SEL] Famous/Osborn questions

[Harry Terpstra]

John,
I think that if IHC say that it's an engine to compete with ceaper engines,
I think it means that it's built cheaper.
I don't find any features that seems cheap made. It's the same (high)
quallity than the Famous.

> I have no info about the bore and strokes, but the 4 hp NP had a 30"
>
ooops i don't even know the dia of my own engine's flywheel;-)
Yes you're right. It's 30"
It seems International never mentioned the bore and stroke in their sale
ads.
I only know because I had both engines at the same time, so I could compare
every part.
Actually I think only the fuel & waterpump are the same, and the cylinder
head, and the rocker arm(s).
also the piston and cranshaft are the same.
The rest (all the main castings) are different.


Harry Terpstra
Sint Annaparochie
Netherlands
h.terpstra at wxs.nl
http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html



----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hammink" <jg.hammink at quicknet.nl>
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Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 11:36 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Famous/Osborn questions


> Hi Harry,
> I think you misread the post, I didn't say it was a "cheap" engine.
> Nonpareil engines were likely built to compete with cheaper engines
> being built by many other companies.
> I have no info about the bore and strokes, but the 4 hp NP had a 30"
> flywheel and the 6 hp had the 33".
> All the different styles magnetos were options only for the customers
> convenience IMO, dependent the use and needs for the engine.
> Standard they came with battery and spark coil.
>
> John Hammink
> Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
> jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
> www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web
>
>
>
>
> So now I know for sure thats not true.
> I learned something today John;-)
>
> I know the difference between the Nonpareil and the Famous engines.
> I had both the 3hp Famous and the 4hp Nonpareil. The 4hp NP has the same
> bore x stroke as the 3hp famous.
> However the flywheels are much bigger  ( I think 33" compared to 26½" for
> the Famous)
> Also almost all castings are diffrent, it hardly seems a way of saving
money
> building a "cheap" engine.
>
> > Your engine is fitted with a Bosch oscillating magneto, they
> > were first fitted in 1913 for the verticals on demand.
> >
> I wonder why IHC had so many diffrent styles magneto options for the
> verticals. Does it make more expensive IMO.
> The Bosch however is a GREAT magneto!! And all the monkey motion makes it
> very interesting to look at when running;-)
>
> > What I understand from Mike he was talking about an Osborne
> > engine tag.
> >
> I'm very curious to see the Osborne tag Mike!!
>
>
> Harry Terpstra
> Sint Annaparochie
> Netherlands
> h.terpstra at wxs.nl
> http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Hammink" <jg.hammink at quicknet.nl>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 1:42 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Famous/Osborn questions
>
>
> > Harry, they never built stationary engines in Germany.
> > Only in 1937 they started to built the engines for the first
> > F12-G tractors.
> > The Nonpareil type engine was basically the same as the
> > Famous-Titan series, but was built somewhat lighter.
> > Compare of the shipping weight of the two types and it is
> > easely seen. These engines were most likely built to compete
> > with cheaper engines being built by many other companies.
> > Your engine is fitted with a Bosch oscillating magneto, they
> > were first fitted in 1913 for the verticals on demand.
> > The 4 and 5 hp Nonpareil engines were built from 1909 to
> > 1916. The 5 hp only for the foreign market. They were sold
> > by McCormick and Osborne dealers.
> > What I understand from Mike he was talking about an Osborne
> > engine tag.
> > After all those years there're and always will be questions.
> >
> > John Hammink
> > Anna Paulowna, Netherlands.
> > jg.hammink at quicknet.nl
> > www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web
>
>
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