[SEL] SEL ethics

[peter ogborne]

Thanks Curt.........I agree with most of what you say and in a perfect world 
it would work.We are doing some of the things you suggest. I do agree that 
the matter of badges is a ''Storm in a tea cup'' . I am correct though 
.....a cardboard name tag does not constitute a badge . Unfortunately what i 
am dealing with here is an oligarch.Yes the SEL is a public forum but that 
should not prevent us posting what we think because some one might see it 
and be offended. With out that facility the list would be useless and quite 
boring.
Of course my comments will now be relayed to those who are not subscribers 
,so be it.
As i stated in my original post the decision about the bloody name tags 
[badges] was a majority decision which i accepted but that does not stop me 
having a healthy opinion and i am at liberty and quite entitled to air them 
on this list .I am not into appeasement and will accept criticism as long as 
it is not ''below the belt'' and made to my face.
Now back to engines............enough time spent on this.....
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 12:14 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL ethics


> OK Peter I'll type a few thoughts. Just remember you did solicit them!
>
> 1) The internet is a PUBLIC forum not a private forum! What you say here 
> is a good as printed in the newpaper for all to see. Had you really 
> intended to solicit private input you should have contacted a bunch of 
> folk off list and asked the conversation remain confidential.
>
> 2) Leave the politics at work! Life is too short to carry petty politics 
> into your beloved hobby. This is supposed to be fun dude....
>
> 3) Why on earth are you making such a big deal over something as petty as 
> a club badge? Be glad your club has any kind of badge at all. Most here 
> don't. I'm just thankful Peg Pfeiffer made our badges a few years ago. I 
> wear that to each and every show we attend. Thank you Peg.
>
> 4) You and a few buddies don't like the club badge selection? Wot is 
> stopping you from simply making what you want? Just do it and get on with 
> the fun of engines and tractors. Read #2 again.
>
> Club divide is awful. Ask Glenn Karch about the SIAM building sometime. 
> I'm thankful our Cotton Ginning Club seems to be able to get along. Maybe 
> we are all just too old and it is too much effort to create a ruckus about 
> anything :-) . But I think we all recognize that it is a special situation 
> that we all get along so well and that all of our energies are spent 
> building the show rather than spinning our wheels on silly political 
> battles.
>
> Mend those fences and get back to why you are in the hobby.... To play 
> with kewl machinery and socialize with great people.
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
>
>
> peter ogborne wrote:
>
>> I would appreciate any comments on the following.....
>>
>> I recently posted my thoughts on club badges,in particular those adopted 
>> by my club.These were my  personal opinions and i sought comments by 
>> other SEL members. It seems that someone on the list took these comments 
>> and gave them to a non subscriber who in turn used them to make a 
>> personal attack on me at a club meeting. I was not present at the meeting 
>> as i live 400km away and only attend occasional meetings.I could not 
>> defend myself and the attacker did not have the intestinal fortitude to 
>> advise me of his comments. A friend and fellow club member  relayed them 
>> to me.
>> It does not concern me at all that there is disagreement in my comments , 
>> i have made them known to the club at a previous meeting and in a letter 
>> to our club news letter. So it is nothing new.
>> What does concern me is is that my comments on SEL which by the way did 
>> not mention names has been used in this way. We are not bound by any 
>> secrecy act but i would have thought common decency would have prevailed. 
>> What went on the SEL was between me and fellow SEL members ,i gave my 
>> thoughts and sought those of others. It should not have been passed to a 
>> non list person and used against me in this way at a club meeting.
>> One thing that i have retained here is my opinion,that has not changed. 
>> What i would like is the person who passed this on to contact me off list 
>> and we will discuss it.
>
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