[SEL] Stupid People?

[Jeff Allen]

Grant,

Thanks for sharing this. I've read so many opinions on what happened at 
Medina, I didn't know what to believe. I think this report makes it quite 
clear for those that take the time to read it.

Only thing I know about steam tractors is that they are a lot of fun to see 
and be around. Saw my first ones at Bird city this summer and not only saw 
them but got to ride on a couple. I was a little hesitant because of Medina. 
I checked them out while they were getting ready to run, and noticed the 
inspection tags on all of them. Felt much more at ease, and the drivers I 
talked with were very knowledgeable and competent. Can't wait for next years 
show.

Regards,

Jeff Allen
Arvada, Colorado USA

http://oldengine.org/members/allen/
http://frapa.us/
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Grant Weir" <weirgrant at hotmail.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 3:52 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Stupid People?


>
> Hi Joe and all,
>
>   I'm coming into this one a bit late...  we are talking about the Medina 
> incident arent we?  While I am not officialy a "steam guy", I do enjoy 
> observing the hobby and love steamers of all kinds.  I do not want to get 
> into a pissing contest either, although after eating two quarts of 
> strawberry yogurt last night before bed I'm ready to challenge anyone this 
> morning!  :-).   Seriously, click on the link below for an impressive 
> report on the condition of the boiler made after the "accident".  The 
> report clearly shows a very worn/corroded boiler that should have never 
> been fired in the condition it was in.  I'm just as sickened by overly 
> safety minded show organizers as anyone else but...  I must admit to being 
> rather disgusted with what appears to be a steam engine owners total 
> disregard for the life and safety of others.  It has been said that he was 
> an experienced "steam guy".  I wonder what his excuse would have been if 
> he had lived?  Truly a very sad day for all.
>
> http://www.doli.state.mn.us/boilerohio.html
>
> Grant Weir
> Saskatoon, SK.
> Canada
>
>>From: jlb94 at juno.com
>>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>CC: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>Subject: Re: [SEL] Stupid People
>>Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 21:08:41 -0400
>>
>>Excuse me? This clown was driving his cleated traction engine on new
>>asphalt, tearing up a freshly paved road.  He had been variously asked
>>then told not to.  But it's the "asshole cops" that are the stupid ones?
>>=        =        =        =
>>It was my understanding that the road was to be resurfaced AFTER the
>>event.
>>
>>Permission WAS obtained from the Twp. Sup. (or whatever) to drive the
>>Traction Engine on the road to the Show Grounds.
>>
>>I don't care to get into a pissing match with anyone on the list - steam
>>guy or not.
>>I am totally convinced that this explosion was NOT caused by Operator
>>Error - but rather- Operator Distraction.
>>=        =        =
>>By the way - I attended an Excellent Show this weekend in Ohio.  Good
>>amount of Steam Traction Engines - Lots of Gas Tractors - Lots of Gas
>>Engines - No Ropes - No Fences - No Barriers - Everyone seemed to know
>>how to line up and set up their exhibit to the rear or the side of their
>>vehicles.  Selling and buying  was allowed in the show area. No exhibitor
>>fee.  No camping fee.  Power hookups if needed.  Fuel & water supplied.
>>No Insurance Bullshit.
>>It was one of the best I've attended.
>>
>>Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
>>jlb94 at juno.com
>>,-._,-.          "Toys are so sophisticated these days
>>\/)"(\/           that they can play with each other."
>>(_o_)          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
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