[SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter

Tue Sep 14 19:12:09 PDT 2004

Yes, it is this pacifist attitude that resulted in the gun-control laws
in Australia as well. And, I think we can all agree what a failure that
was.  The point you all seem to miss, is that it is time that
individuals accepted responsibility for their actions.  It should not be
up to the insurance companies or the government to lead you like a bunch
of sheep to the slaughter of your hobby.  But, go ahead, pay your $12
fine/tax for insurance coverage and continue to enjoy your hobby as you
watch it dwindle in attendance.  Take that first step into the
extinction of showing antique engines in Australia and when they come to
have you turn in those dangerous contraptions, remember, it only started
out as $12 for insurance.  

As for your reference to the Medina steam accident, it is rather obvious
that you either don't know the full circumstances, or you only choose to
hear and recant the parts that support your liberal belief.  

Enjoy your shows while you can!  Think I'll go out in the garage and see
if I can spin a couple of engines over and not hurt myself.  

Chuck Emsweller

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ron Page
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 6:50 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter

Well said Peter.

Ron

----- Original Message -----
From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 9:33 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter

> Unfortunately if we want to attend shows we have to abide by the
rules.
> There are STUPID people ,take the example of the owner of that Case
Steam
> Traction engine in the US . It exploded and took out a lot of people.
Just
> think how many more fatalities there would have been if there had been
a
big
> crowd around it in an unfenced compound . Yes i know that to make it
safe
> and escape the results of that explosion the fence would have had to
be a
> bloody long way back .I am sure we have all seen some STUPID things
done
in
> engine compounds by members of the public and by members of our own
> fraternity.
> If following the rules set down by the NHMA allows me to show my
engine
and
> enjoy the company of fellow enthusiasts and this means being behind a
fence
> so be it . Surely being able to sleep at night knowing that we have a
good
> insurance policy in the event of an accident is worth the perceived
> inconvenience .Litigation is with us and trying to fight against it is
like
> pissing into the wind and could be expensive.I would prefer to enjoy
the
> hobby and not rage against the rules,lets face it is it a great
problem? I
> would also venture to say that some STUPID bastard would stand under
the
> launch pad if they could! I have no truck with insurance underwriters
,they
> are a necessary evil in this day and age ....but show me the man who
would
> not lodge a claim  if he felt justified in doing so.$ 12 is not going
to
> send me broke.......so lets enjoy the hobby
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "chuck emsweller" <clemsweller at earthlink.net>
> To: "'The SEL email discussion list'"
<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 7:33 PM
> Subject: RE: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter
>
>
> > Still sounds an awful lot like communism to me.  Were it that way in
the
> > states, I am afraid I wouldn't be attending any shows.  Which would
mean
> > that the general public would be the ones missing out on the engines
> > that I display.  I would still have my engines at home for my
enjoyment
> > and would continue to run them at will without fence or special
> > insurance.
> >
> > The sad part is, if we don't fight it now, I can see the US shows
moving
> > in that direction in the next few years.  All due to a bunch of
> > do-gooders that think they know how to protect me and others better
than
> > we do ourselves. More bureaucratic BS if you ask me.
> >
> > As for Cape Canaveral, if I were STUPID enough to stand under the
> > rockets to watch a launch, I guess I would deserve to be dead!  As
for
> > engines, I don't think it is the same.  It simply appalls me to
think
> > that our forefathers were so much more advanced than us that they
could
> > safely run these people killers without having to rope or fence them
off
> > or worry about insurance.  Yes, accidents will and do happen.  Let's
> > deal with the problem of all the sue happy idiots out there instead
of
> > the symptom of some asshole attorney's and insurance rip offs
stepping
> > in and scaring us all away from our hobby!
> >
> > Gentlemen, get some courage and join Reg in the fight for your
hobby.
> > Reg, don't give up the battle as far as this Hoosier is concerned,
you
> > are on the right track!
> >
> > Chuck Emsweller
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of peter
> > ogborne
> > Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 6:01 PM
> > To: The SEL email discussion list
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter
> >
> > Perhaps if i spell it out in big letters Chuck or could we liken it
to
> > going
> > to Cape Canaveral to watch a rocket launch....don't think you could
> > stand in
> > the launch pad with out insurance!
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "chuck emsweller" <clemsweller at earthlink.net>
> > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'"
<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 2:35 AM
> > Subject: RE: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter
> >
> >
> > > So, let me understand this properly.  You are trying to have an
engine
> > > show, but no one can enter unless they belong to your insurance or
> > club?
> > > Isn't that kind of an oxymoron?  Or have I missed something here?
> > >
> > > Chuck Emsweller
> > > Bessemer
> > > Fairbanks
> > > Caille
> > > Hercules
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Adam
> > > Cottrill
> > > Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 5:57 AM
> > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > > Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Reg and everyone,
> > >                    Mate again you have raised in a round about way
a
> > > point ANYPERSON WHO DOES NOT HAVE A NHMA CARD (or equivilent as
> > descibed
> > > before) WILL NOT BE PERMITTED IN THE ENGINE COMPOUND.
> > >
> > > ANYPERSON could be wife, girlfirend, kids, mistress, Queen,
African
> > > Jungle Queen, Amazon beauty you get the idea. Please tell me this
is
> > > sinking in????? To get around this please get your companions
either
> > to
> > > join a NHMA club, seek private insurance or request it from the
NHMA
> > > rally otherwise im sorry they cant go in. I dont understand how
this
> > is
> > > difficult?
> > >
> > > You want your family to join you in the hobby join them to the
NHMA I
> > > have my girl friend joined so she can be in the compound with me.
> > >
> > > Reg again I strongly suggest you come to the Rally as the
Insurance
> > > Company will be present in a tent and you can tell talk to them
> > directly
> > > about your concerns.
> > >
> > > The National Committee has (and is currently) been pro-active and
is
> > in
> > > discussions with the NHMA and Insurance company to change several
> > things
> > > to the policy as it stands now to make it more family friendly for
and
> > I
> > > and im sure everyone else agrees family is a big part of the
hobby.
> > > While we wait the outcomes of this I cant say anymore.
> > >
> > > Im opening a can of worms here with about what im about to say but
"If
> > > common sense is so COMMON how come not everyone has it?" the flip
side
> > > is the insurance fences and all the other stuff we must have.
> > >
> > > Kind regards,
> > >             Adam
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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