Hi Reg, Yep - When all else fails - Ga back to basics. Now I've got BOTH of the "Y"s running. Hard to believe - - - I couldn't see the points weren't closing. Maybe I need better lighting ? Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz