I, in my then youthfull enthusiasim, stuck my right index finger into the ignitor hole and (need I say anymore)????? = = = = = = = What time is it Bob ? Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "You know you're getting old - \/)"(\/ when the candles cost more than the cake." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz