[SEL] nhma - speak for what you believe or lose that right too

[Bill Dickerson]

I suspect Reg believes that the only way to get things changed if one
believes they need to be changed, is to speak out.
For if no one speaks for what they believe, there won't be much left to
enjoy as those who follow will gladly do so, no matter where it leads.

Those who speak out help to found nations - and keep them free and safe.
And more locally, they help to keep the hobby alive and fun.

Fences drives everyone down the the lowest common denominator - speaking
against them helps to overcome the reasons for them and keep things free and
fun.

Once saw a movie - it was chilling - it was a political statement of course
- in this movie, the government, instead of bringing those up who are down,
instead of helping those with handicaps to do better and _FOR THEMSELVES_,
the government insisted that everyone be brought down to meet the less
fortunate, to themselves have to live with and experience handicaps. To
leave your home, you had to "put on your handicap" - weighted vests and
belts and other devices to take you down a level, to make it very difficult
to stand and walk, impossible to run - and no one spoke up about it.........


Here ya go Rob - where is THIS from?

[First Man:] I think, I think I am, therefore I am, I think.

[Establishment:] Of course you are my bright little star,
I've miles
And miles
Of files
Pretty files of your forefather's fruit
and now to suit our
great computer,
You're magnetic ink.

[First Man:] I'm more than that, I know I am, at least, I think I must be.

[Inner Man:] There you go man, keep as cool as you can.
Face piles
And piles
Of trials
With smiles.
It riles them to believe
that you perceive
the web they weave
And keep on thinking free.

Bill

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ray Freeman
Portable Line Boring
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 7:32 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] nhma



Well spoke!!

Ray
Portable Line Boring
http://www.plb.iinet.net.au
plb at plb.iinet.net.au
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 7:28 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] nhma


> There must be some thing in the water! Let me explain to you Reg 
> ,despite your extraordinary powers as to be able to know what goes on 
> at our show, from the other side of the country ,ie your statement of 
> NONE. We had the normal number of requests for membership forms ,kids 
> and dads were showing the normal interest, the fence did not inhibit 
> them. The very simple fact is that rules are rules and i say again 
> that if you want to participate in this hobby and exhibit your engines 
> or whatever in this country then ''Duty of Care '' is required. The 
> NHMA do a job that not many of us care to take on and they dont 
> deserve the knocking. Cringe mentality.....................no just 
> wanting to enjoy the hobby. what they
> do in the US and the UK has nothing to do with they way things are run 
> here.
> There are many ,many people working to the rules and enjoying the
> hobby..........Horses for Courses Reg, why keep bitching ?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Reg & Margaret Ingold" <randmingold at hotkey.net.au>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 5:16 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] nhma
>
>
>> Peter, How many children and other interested people had the chance 
>> to examine the exhibits?  NONE! How many potential new hobby members 
>> missed out? LOTS! You just dont get it, do you?
>> I am NOT against insurance or fences.
>> I AM against the 'Cringe' mentality that has taken over this hobby.
>> Oh, it aint worth the bother!!  Goodby.
>> Reg & Marg Ingold.
>> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
>> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 10:07 PM
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] nhma
>>
>>
>> > Give it a break Reg , we know how you feel so why keep on about
> it....your
>> > eternal
>> > bleatings wont change it.I just spent 9 days at the Perth Royal 
>> > Show surrounded by a fence......no accidents ,no theft or 
>> > vandalism. I came
>> away
>> > after having a great week as did my fellow club members.
>>
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