[SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice

Wed Jul 7 14:51:54 PDT 2004

You did say free!  And even better -- SO DID MICROSOFT!!

Thanks for the info.

Bob Holtzer

At 01:28 PM 7/7/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>Or even better go to
>
>http://www.microsoft.com/security/protect/cd/order.asp
>
>and get a FREE CD with all the updates up to February on it. Did I
>mention it was FREE.
>It covers XP, ME, 2000, 98 and 98 SE.  Includes media player 9 and IE 6
>SP1
>
>Oh and it's FREE in case I forgot that....
>
>Steve Williams
>Near Cooperstown NY
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Bill Dickerson" <bill at antique-engines.com>
>To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 12:54 PM
>Subject: RE: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice
>
>
> > Updates on CD...............
> > There are apps that will pick what you want then run a script to apply
>them.
> > And for my personal stuff - you go choose what you want and let it run
>while
> > you go mow the yard.
> >
> > As for second question - ask John F. Kerry - I hear he's a great
>shooter!
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
>Allen
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 12:00 AM
> > To: The SEL email discussion list
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice
> >
> >
> > Hells bells Bill,
> >
> > >snip
> > And I'm a lot cheaper than a couple hundred bucks - I can clean them
>up in a
> > > couple of hours, $35/hour.
> >
> > I mentioned that I would charge a couple hundred to clean and update.
>Tell
> > us all how to do a 25 Meg upgrade on dialup in this time frame, and
>then
> > tell us the best time to hunt bacon with a shotgun.
> >
> > Jeff
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bill Dickerson" <bill at antique-engines.com>
> > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'"
><sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 8:56 PM
> > Subject: RE: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice
> >
> >
> > > It CAN shut down a computer - but only certain operating systems,
>not
> > > all. And, it has nothing to do with dial-up connections. It's a root
> > > service that it affects and the end result is a complete
> > Windows
> > > shutdown.
> > > (which you can PREVENT, by the way, with a simple command) However,
> > > that is NOT the intent of BLASTER - that is a SIDE EFFECT only,
> > not
> > > by design.
> > > So I still maintain, the virus does not attempt to disconnect from
>the
> > > Internet. And my statement still stands - NAV will catch the virus -
> > > you mention
> > "out
> > > of date" - that is the fault of the operator, not the product, so
>the
> > > product will indeed catch it, however, it's like a gun - a gun will
> > > only
> > hit
> > > what the operator aims at, operator error equals missed target.
> > > Failure to load gun, missed target. BLASTER is quite old, so unless
> > > they have not updated this year at all,
> > NAV
> > > will find the "original" BLASTER. Do watch for VARIANTS, however.
> > >
> > > Yes, I'm aware of what "blaster" does, and doesn't do - I've written
> > > articles on computer viruses, including FAQs used by
> > Symantec...............
> > > I've even disassembled them - and ( just turned down a chance to be
>an
> > > engineer at Symantec, working on their corporate products. Their
> > > engineers called me and wanted to fly me out to Santa Monica but we
> > > refuse to live
> > in
> > > CA)
> > > And I'm a lot cheaper than a couple hundred bucks - I can clean them
> > > up in
> > a
> > > couple of hours, $35/hour. I've cleaned up entire corporate
> > > networks..............
> > >
> > > I still stick with my original contention that about 90% of computer
> > > woes blamed on "viruses" are NOT viruses. Yes, viruses DO infect
> > > computers and cause problems, but in my experience (over 14 years
> > > worth of computer
> > virus
> > > fighting) MOST issues are not virus related at all - and everyone
> > > seems to like to cry "VIRUS!" at the first sign of computer
>problems -
> > > the result
> > is
> > > that they learn NOTHING about the REAL cause, and simply go in and
> > > blast things away and do a resintall!
> > >
> > > Bill
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
> > > Allen
> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 8:07 PM
> > > To: The SEL email discussion list
> > > Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice
> > >
> > >
> > > Bill,
> > >
> > > The Blaster Worm will shut down a computer. Not a true virus, but a
> > > worm.
> > An
> > > anti virus that is out of date won't catch it, and that is Paul's
> > > problem. The Microsoft patch, and the virus definition have been out
> > > for almost a year now. I just cleaned a system a couple weeks ago
>with
> > > the worm. I
> > spent
> > > about four hours cleaning and updating the computer, and that was on
> > > DSL. There were over 25 Meg of Microsoft updates, and about the same
> > > for the
> > anti
> > > virus. There really is no excuse for this. So to you and all on the
> > > list:
> > >
> > > Install all Microsoft critical updates weekly, and update your anti
> > > virus
> > at
> > > least once a week. Run a virus scan weekly, and most can be
>automated,
> > > so there is no excuse. Install a firewall, or at least use the one
> > > that came with XP. It's better than nothing. Also use Lavasoft
>Adaware
> > > for spyware. It's free.
> > >
> > > There is also another option. Pay someone like me or my buddy a
>couple
> > > hundred bucks to clean up your mess. The system I did was for my
> > > cousin
> > and
> > > she was informed the next one won't be free. For more info on the
>worm
> > check
> > > out:
> > > http://www.microsoft.com/security/incident/blast.mspx
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Jeff Allen
> > > Arvada, Colorado USA
> > >
> > > http://oldengine.org/members/allen/
> > > http://frapa.us/
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Bill Dickerson" <bill at antique-engines.com>
> > > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'"
><sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 1:32 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice
> > >
> > >
> > > > Paul, without a little time I can't tell you what it IS, but can
> > > > tell you it's pretty much NOT a virus. It's amazing how many
> > > > computer woes get blamed on viruses now days. It's usually easier
> > > > than finding the real cause. Most computer ills are due to file
> > > > corruption, file conflicts, ill-behaved software, spyware or
> > > > hardware malfunctions. A real computer virus doesn't typically
> > > > "disconnect". If NAV says you don't have a virus, you don't have
> > > > one. They aren't
> > magic
> > > > and don't escape detection that easily.
> > > >
> > > > Bill
> > > > (former anti-virus administrator for a very large financial
>company,
> > > > and former Symantec support volunteer who just turned down a
> > > > Symantec position in California)
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul
> > > > Maples
> > > > Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 8:58 PM
> > > > To: Stationary Engine List
> > > > Subject: [SEL] O.T. Need Computer Advice
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Folks I am having a problem again that I had about a month ago and
> > > > it is really frustrating. I connect to my ISP and check my e-mail
> > > > but the minute
> > > I
> > > > try to use Internet Explorer it will disconnect my computer from
>the
> > > > ISP
> > > and
> > > > I have to dial back up to get on line again. The last time I
> > > > completely
> > > done
> > > > a Complete System Recovery, reformatted my hard drive and it has
> > > > worked until now and it is starting it all over. I have Norton
> > > > Internet Security
> > > > (Professional) and I ran it and there are no virus's indicated. I
> > > > have dumped every program on the PC except the absolute ones I
>have
> > > > to have.
> > I
> > > > don't even want to think that I have to do another system recovery
> > > > and
> > > start
> > > > all over again.
> > > >
> > > > Any ides from you computer guru's? I am on dial up, not DSL. I am
> > > wondering
> > > > if DSL would help solve some of these issues.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Paul
> > > >
> > > >
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