From cwja at telus.net  Thu Jan 12 14:53:34 2017
From: cwja at telus.net (Jeff & Marja Allen)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 15:53:34 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Re: Fwd: [AT] antifreeze
In-Reply-To: <56DF94EC-C794-4B09-A4C6-60777DA424E3@me.com>
References: <41a5f919-20c2-d0e7-3e3c-e718d691365c@nc.rr.com>
	<56DF94EC-C794-4B09-A4C6-60777DA424E3@me.com>
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Hey Reg and all the other fair weather Old Engine Old Farts

Just could not resist a lurker response to your 37*C temperature. We had 
last night that temperature in wind chill last night in reverse...note 
the minus sign!  -37*C here in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada .   A bit 
chilly, eh, mates.

Using gallons of antifreeze (cheap scotch) to protect self and one or 
two engines,   Jeff Allen

On 2016-12-01 7:09 PM, Reg wrote:
> Ha! And us with 37*C here today!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave
> Sent: Friday, December 2, 2016 12:55 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: [SEL] Fwd: [AT] antifreeze
>
>
>
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>
>> From: John Hall <jtchall at nc.rr.com>
>> Subject: [AT] antifreeze
>> Date: December 1, 2016 at 8:18:28 PM EST
>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>> Reply-To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>
>> For some of you guys it may be too late, but here's a reminder to check
>> your antifreeze. If you're like us you can't keep track of all the
>> repairs made over the last few months.  If all goes as scheduled, we're
>> going to check everything Sat. morning.
>>
>> John Hall
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> AT mailing list
>> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Thu Jan 12 15:21:23 2017
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 10:21:23 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Re: Fwd: [AT] antifreeze
In-Reply-To: <f33dc2ff-055c-0f86-5bd2-98bd851a239a@telus.net>
References: <41a5f919-20c2-d0e7-3e3c-e718d691365c@nc.rr.com><56DF94EC-C794-4B09-A4C6-60777DA424E3@me.com>
	<f33dc2ff-055c-0f86-5bd2-98bd851a239a@telus.net>
Message-ID: <3612F6077AC74C6F8E571BA4B0BCFC52@REGPC>

Ha! it was 47C near here two days back. We had 44C.  Another bad one today 
is expected. Fire risk is crazy! (And the kids are on holidays so that 
raises the risk even more!!)

-----Original Message----- 
From: Jeff & Marja Allen
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 9:53 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Spam> Re: Fwd: [AT] antifreeze

Hey Reg and all the other fair weather Old Engine Old Farts

Just could not resist a lurker response to your 37*C temperature. We had
last night that temperature in wind chill last night in reverse...note
the minus sign!  -37*C here in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada .   A bit
chilly, eh, mates.

Using gallons of antifreeze (cheap scotch) to protect self and one or
two engines,   Jeff Allen

On 2016-12-01 7:09 PM, Reg wrote:
> Ha! And us with 37*C here today!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave
> Sent: Friday, December 2, 2016 12:55 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: [SEL] Fwd: [AT] antifreeze
>
>
>
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>
>> From: John Hall <jtchall at nc.rr.com>
>> Subject: [AT] antifreeze
>> Date: December 1, 2016 at 8:18:28 PM EST
>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>> Reply-To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>
>> For some of you guys it may be too late, but here's a reminder to check
>> your antifreeze. If you're like us you can't keep track of all the
>> repairs made over the last few months.  If all goes as scheduled, we're
>> going to check everything Sat. morning.
>>
>> John Hall
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> AT mailing list
>> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
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From wilson at stny.rr.com  Thu Jan 12 17:30:51 2017
From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 20:30:51 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Right or wrong?
Message-ID: <CFDCCAE3-C33E-451C-B120-22FE3F8CBF4F@stny.rr.com>

Has the antique engine craze faded?


From al.harris at rustic-engines.com  Thu Jan 12 18:07:16 2017
From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 13:07:16 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Re: Fwd: [AT] antifreeze
In-Reply-To: <3612F6077AC74C6F8E571BA4B0BCFC52@REGPC>
References: <41a5f919-20c2-d0e7-3e3c-e718d691365c@nc.rr.com>
	<56DF94EC-C794-4B09-A4C6-60777DA424E3@me.com>
	<f33dc2ff-055c-0f86-5bd2-98bd851a239a@telus.net>
	<3612F6077AC74C6F8E571BA4B0BCFC52@REGPC>
Message-ID: <e26af84b-6eca-886f-8f47-f129cda09147@rustic-engines.com>

Being Friday the 13th couldn't make it any worse eh Reg?


On 13-Jan-17 10:21, Reg wrote:
> Ha! it was 47C near here two days back. We had 44C.  Another bad one today
> is expected. Fire risk is crazy! (And the kids are on holidays so that
> raises the risk even more!!)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff & Marja Allen
> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 9:53 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Spam> Re: Fwd: [AT] antifreeze
>
> Hey Reg and all the other fair weather Old Engine Old Farts
>
> Just could not resist a lurker response to your 37*C temperature. We had
> last night that temperature in wind chill last night in reverse...note
> the minus sign!  -37*C here in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada .   A bit
> chilly, eh, mates.
>
> Using gallons of antifreeze (cheap scotch) to protect self and one or
> two engines,   Jeff Allen
>
> On 2016-12-01 7:09 PM, Reg wrote:
>> Ha! And us with 37*C here today!
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Dave
>> Sent: Friday, December 2, 2016 12:55 PM
>> To: The SEL email discussion list
>> Subject: [SEL] Fwd: [AT] antifreeze
>>
>>
>>
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>
>>> From: John Hall <jtchall at nc.rr.com>
>>> Subject: [AT] antifreeze
>>> Date: December 1, 2016 at 8:18:28 PM EST
>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>> Reply-To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>>
>>> For some of you guys it may be too late, but here's a reminder to check
>>> your antifreeze. If you're like us you can't keep track of all the
>>> repairs made over the last few months.  If all goes as scheduled, we're
>>> going to check everything Sat. morning.
>>>
>>> John Hall
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> AT mailing list
>>> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Thu Jan 12 23:40:06 2017
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 18:40:06 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Re: Fwd: [AT] antifreeze
In-Reply-To: <e26af84b-6eca-886f-8f47-f129cda09147@rustic-engines.com>
References: <41a5f919-20c2-d0e7-3e3c-e718d691365c@nc.rr.com><56DF94EC-C794-4B09-A4C6-60777DA424E3@me.com><f33dc2ff-055c-0f86-5bd2-98bd851a239a@telus.net><3612F6077AC74C6F8E571BA4B0BCFC52@REGPC>
	<e26af84b-6eca-886f-8f47-f129cda09147@rustic-engines.com>
Message-ID: <9D3F6D10580347CCA6BBD1C4060FA48E@REGPC>

Really, NOT funny here suffering it!!
I cannot  recall suffering these temps since arriving here 50+ years ago.
I just hope the power stays on!

-----Original Message----- 
From: Al Harris
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 1:07 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Spam> Re: Fwd: [AT] antifreeze

Being Friday the 13th couldn't make it any worse eh Reg?


On 13-Jan-17 10:21, Reg wrote:
> Ha! it was 47C near here two days back. We had 44C.  Another bad one today
> is expected. Fire risk is crazy! (And the kids are on holidays so that
> raises the risk even more!!)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff & Marja Allen
> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 9:53 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Spam> Re: Fwd: [AT] antifreeze
>
> Hey Reg and all the other fair weather Old Engine Old Farts
>
> Just could not resist a lurker response to your 37*C temperature. We had
> last night that temperature in wind chill last night in reverse...note
> the minus sign!  -37*C here in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada .   A bit
> chilly, eh, mates.
>
> Using gallons of antifreeze (cheap scotch) to protect self and one or
> two engines,   Jeff Allen
>
> On 2016-12-01 7:09 PM, Reg wrote:
>> Ha! And us with 37*C here today!
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Dave
>> Sent: Friday, December 2, 2016 12:55 PM
>> To: The SEL email discussion list
>> Subject: [SEL] Fwd: [AT] antifreeze
>>
>>
>>
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>
>>> From: John Hall <jtchall at nc.rr.com>
>>> Subject: [AT] antifreeze
>>> Date: December 1, 2016 at 8:18:28 PM EST
>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group 
>>> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>> Reply-To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>>
>>> For some of you guys it may be too late, but here's a reminder to check
>>> your antifreeze. If you're like us you can't keep track of all the
>>> repairs made over the last few months.  If all goes as scheduled, we're
>>> going to check everything Sat. morning.
>>>
>>> John Hall
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> AT mailing list
>>> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
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From enginepaul at gmail.com  Fri Jan 13 09:07:00 2017
From: enginepaul at gmail.com (STRAIGHT from SanFran)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 09:07:00 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Re: Fwd: [AT] antifreeze
In-Reply-To: <9D3F6D10580347CCA6BBD1C4060FA48E@REGPC>
References: <41a5f919-20c2-d0e7-3e3c-e718d691365c@nc.rr.com>
	<56DF94EC-C794-4B09-A4C6-60777DA424E3@me.com>
	<f33dc2ff-055c-0f86-5bd2-98bd851a239a@telus.net>
	<3612F6077AC74C6F8E571BA4B0BCFC52@REGPC>
	<e26af84b-6eca-886f-8f47-f129cda09147@rustic-engines.com>
	<9D3F6D10580347CCA6BBD1C4060FA48E@REGPC>
Message-ID: <CAMuKiUB04DX6YBphSwq3XBem568mrduM1M8jYeVXgnpctbG_=A@mail.gmail.com>

I'm in California looking into flood insurance. The term 'river crossing'
now means the river is crossing the highway.

I shouldn't complain, I have a rental in Sacramento that now has a pool, or
natural pond, in the back yard.

Paul

PS: If you want to see what Mother Nature can do, look up the California
flood of 1862. Washington, Oregon, California, Nevada, Arizona, Idaho and
other states were all inundated. Indian lore says the entire center of the
state floods on occasion.

On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 11:40 PM, Reg <randmingold at hotkey.net.au> wrote:

> Really, NOT funny here suffering it!!
> I cannot  recall suffering these temps since arriving here 50+ years ago.
> I just hope the power stays on!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Al Harris
> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 1:07 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Spam> Re: Fwd: [AT] antifreeze
>
> Being Friday the 13th couldn't make it any worse eh Reg?
>
>
> On 13-Jan-17 10:21, Reg wrote:
> > Ha! it was 47C near here two days back. We had 44C.  Another bad one
> today
> > is expected. Fire risk is crazy! (And the kids are on holidays so that
> > raises the risk even more!!)
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jeff & Marja Allen
> > Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 9:53 AM
> > To: The SEL email discussion list
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Spam> Re: Fwd: [AT] antifreeze
> >
> > Hey Reg and all the other fair weather Old Engine Old Farts
> >
> > Just could not resist a lurker response to your 37*C temperature. We had
> > last night that temperature in wind chill last night in reverse...note
> > the minus sign!  -37*C here in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada .   A bit
> > chilly, eh, mates.
> >
> > Using gallons of antifreeze (cheap scotch) to protect self and one or
> > two engines,   Jeff Allen
> >
> > On 2016-12-01 7:09 PM, Reg wrote:
> >> Ha! And us with 37*C here today!
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Dave
> >> Sent: Friday, December 2, 2016 12:55 PM
> >> To: The SEL email discussion list
> >> Subject: [SEL] Fwd: [AT] antifreeze
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> Begin forwarded message:
> >>>
> >>> From: John Hall <jtchall at nc.rr.com>
> >>> Subject: [AT] antifreeze
> >>> Date: December 1, 2016 at 8:18:28 PM EST
> >>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> >>> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> >>> Reply-To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> >>> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> >>>
> >>> For some of you guys it may be too late, but here's a reminder to check
> >>> your antifreeze. If you're like us you can't keep track of all the
> >>> repairs made over the last few months.  If all goes as scheduled, we're
> >>> going to check everything Sat. morning.
> >>>
> >>> John Hall
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> AT mailing list
> >>> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
> >> _______________________________________________
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From sluggo54 at hotmail.com  Fri Jan 13 09:20:19 2017
From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 17:20:19 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Weather
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1484326801.4984.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
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Message-ID: <MWHPR17MB1261E6F20A342FCF19C34404CB780@MWHPR17MB1261.namprd17.prod.outlook.com>

Reg, the center of the US is preparing for a multi-state ice storm.



Bruce Younger
Sluggo54 at hotmail.com
I practice the art of
Klik Pao


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Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 15:53:34 -0700
From: Jeff & Marja Allen <cwja at telus.net>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Spam> Re: Fwd: [AT] antifreeze
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Hey Reg and all the other fair weather Old Engine Old Farts

Just could not resist a lurker response to your 37*C temperature. We had
last night that temperature in wind chill last night in reverse...note
the minus sign!  -37*C here in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada .   A bit
chilly, eh, mates.

Using gallons of antifreeze (cheap scotch) to protect self and one or
two engines,   Jeff Allen

On 2016-12-01 7:09 PM, Reg wrote:
> Ha! And us with 37*C here today!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave
> Sent: Friday, December 2, 2016 12:55 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: [SEL] Fwd: [AT] antifreeze
>
>
>
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>
>> From: John Hall <jtchall at nc.rr.com>
>> Subject: [AT] antifreeze
>> Date: December 1, 2016 at 8:18:28 PM EST
>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>> Reply-To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>
>> For some of you guys it may be too late, but here's a reminder to check
>> your antifreeze. If you're like us you can't keep track of all the
>> repairs made over the last few months.  If all goes as scheduled, we're
>> going to check everything Sat. morning.
>>
>> John Hall
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> AT mailing list
>> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 10:21:23 +1100
From: "Reg" <randmingold at hotkey.net.au>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Spam> Re: Fwd: [AT] antifreeze
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <3612F6077AC74C6F8E571BA4B0BCFC52 at REGPC>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
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Ha! it was 47C near here two days back. We had 44C.  Another bad one today
is expected. Fire risk is crazy! (And the kids are on holidays so that
raises the risk even more!!)

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff & Marja Allen
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 9:53 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Spam> Re: Fwd: [AT] antifreeze

Hey Reg and all the other fair weather Old Engine Old Farts

Just could not resist a lurker response to your 37*C temperature. We had
last night that temperature in wind chill last night in reverse...note
the minus sign!  -37*C here in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada .   A bit
chilly, eh, mates.

Using gallons of antifreeze (cheap scotch) to protect self and one or
two engines,   Jeff Allen

On 2016-12-01 7:09 PM, Reg wrote:
> Ha! And us with 37*C here today!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave
> Sent: Friday, December 2, 2016 12:55 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: [SEL] Fwd: [AT] antifreeze
>
>
>
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>
>> From: John Hall <jtchall at nc.rr.com>
>> Subject: [AT] antifreeze
>> Date: December 1, 2016 at 8:18:28 PM EST
>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>> Reply-To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>
>> For some of you guys it may be too late, but here's a reminder to check
>> your antifreeze. If you're like us you can't keep track of all the
>> repairs made over the last few months.  If all goes as scheduled, we're
>> going to check everything Sat. morning.
>>
>> John Hall
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> AT mailing list
>> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 20:30:51 -0500
From: Glenn Wilson <wilson at stny.rr.com>
Subject: [SEL] Right or wrong?
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Has the antique engine craze faded?


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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 13:07:16 +1100
From: Al Harris <al.harris at rustic-engines.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Spam> Re: Fwd: [AT] antifreeze
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Being Friday the 13th couldn't make it any worse eh Reg?


On 13-Jan-17 10:21, Reg wrote:
> Ha! it was 47C near here two days back. We had 44C.  Another bad one today
> is expected. Fire risk is crazy! (And the kids are on holidays so that
> raises the risk even more!!)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff & Marja Allen
> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 9:53 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Spam> Re: Fwd: [AT] antifreeze
>
> Hey Reg and all the other fair weather Old Engine Old Farts
>
> Just could not resist a lurker response to your 37*C temperature. We had
> last night that temperature in wind chill last night in reverse...note
> the minus sign!  -37*C here in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada .   A bit
> chilly, eh, mates.
>
> Using gallons of antifreeze (cheap scotch) to protect self and one or
> two engines,   Jeff Allen
>
> On 2016-12-01 7:09 PM, Reg wrote:
>> Ha! And us with 37*C here today!
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Dave
>> Sent: Friday, December 2, 2016 12:55 PM
>> To: The SEL email discussion list
>> Subject: [SEL] Fwd: [AT] antifreeze
>>
>>
>>
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>
>>> From: John Hall <jtchall at nc.rr.com>
>>> Subject: [AT] antifreeze
>>> Date: December 1, 2016 at 8:18:28 PM EST
>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>> Reply-To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>>
>>> For some of you guys it may be too late, but here's a reminder to check
>>> your antifreeze. If you're like us you can't keep track of all the
>>> repairs made over the last few months.  If all goes as scheduled, we're
>>> going to check everything Sat. morning.
>>>
>>> John Hall
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> AT mailing list
>>> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 18:40:06 +1100
From: "Reg" <randmingold at hotkey.net.au>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Spam> Re: Fwd: [AT] antifreeze
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
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Really, NOT funny here suffering it!!
I cannot  recall suffering these temps since arriving here 50+ years ago.
I just hope the power stays on!

-----Original Message-----
From: Al Harris
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 1:07 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Spam> Re: Fwd: [AT] antifreeze

Being Friday the 13th couldn't make it any worse eh Reg?


On 13-Jan-17 10:21, Reg wrote:
> Ha! it was 47C near here two days back. We had 44C.  Another bad one today
> is expected. Fire risk is crazy! (And the kids are on holidays so that
> raises the risk even more!!)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff & Marja Allen
> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 9:53 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Spam> Re: Fwd: [AT] antifreeze
>
> Hey Reg and all the other fair weather Old Engine Old Farts
>
> Just could not resist a lurker response to your 37*C temperature. We had
> last night that temperature in wind chill last night in reverse...note
> the minus sign!  -37*C here in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada .   A bit
> chilly, eh, mates.
>
> Using gallons of antifreeze (cheap scotch) to protect self and one or
> two engines,   Jeff Allen
>
> On 2016-12-01 7:09 PM, Reg wrote:
>> Ha! And us with 37*C here today!
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Dave
>> Sent: Friday, December 2, 2016 12:55 PM
>> To: The SEL email discussion list
>> Subject: [SEL] Fwd: [AT] antifreeze
>>
>>
>>
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>
>>> From: John Hall <jtchall at nc.rr.com>
>>> Subject: [AT] antifreeze
>>> Date: December 1, 2016 at 8:18:28 PM EST
>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>> Reply-To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>>
>>> For some of you guys it may be too late, but here's a reminder to check
>>> your antifreeze. If you're like us you can't keep track of all the
>>> repairs made over the last few months.  If all goes as scheduled, we're
>>> going to check everything Sat. morning.
>>>
>>> John Hall
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> AT mailing list
>>> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
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From al.harris at rustic-engines.com  Fri Jan 13 10:20:05 2017
From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2017 05:20:05 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Re: Fwd: [AT] antifreeze
In-Reply-To: <CAMuKiUB04DX6YBphSwq3XBem568mrduM1M8jYeVXgnpctbG_=A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <41a5f919-20c2-d0e7-3e3c-e718d691365c@nc.rr.com>
	<56DF94EC-C794-4B09-A4C6-60777DA424E3@me.com>
	<f33dc2ff-055c-0f86-5bd2-98bd851a239a@telus.net>
	<3612F6077AC74C6F8E571BA4B0BCFC52@REGPC>
	<e26af84b-6eca-886f-8f47-f129cda09147@rustic-engines.com>
	<9D3F6D10580347CCA6BBD1C4060FA48E@REGPC>
	<CAMuKiUB04DX6YBphSwq3XBem568mrduM1M8jYeVXgnpctbG_=A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a4f2f478-ac96-effc-bc40-b30587aedf2a@rustic-engines.com>

Paul: Oz had an inland sea once (see Lake Eyre). It keeps reminding us 
now and again by refilling.
> http://www.nma.gov.au/kspace/teachers/prehistoric/learning/sea

Reg: Gunna be hotter in the Northern Rivers today too. Stay hydrated and 
cool fella.

Al

On 14-Jan-17 04:07, STRAIGHT from SanFran wrote:
> I'm in California looking into flood insurance. The term 'river crossing'
> now means the river is crossing the highway.
>
> I shouldn't complain, I have a rental in Sacramento that now has a pool, or
> natural pond, in the back yard.
>
> Paul
>
> PS: If you want to see what Mother Nature can do, look up the California
> flood of 1862. Washington, Oregon, California, Nevada, Arizona, Idaho and
> other states were all inundated. Indian lore says the entire center of the
> state floods on occasion.
>
> On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 11:40 PM, Reg <randmingold at hotkey.net.au> wrote:
>
>> Really, NOT funny here suffering it!!
>> I cannot  recall suffering these temps since arriving here 50+ years ago.
>> I just hope the power stays on!
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Al Harris
>> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 1:07 PM
>> To: The SEL email discussion list
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Spam> Re: Fwd: [AT] antifreeze
>>
>> Being Friday the 13th couldn't make it any worse eh Reg?
>>
>>
>> On 13-Jan-17 10:21, Reg wrote:
>>> Ha! it was 47C near here two days back. We had 44C.  Another bad one
>> today
>>> is expected. Fire risk is crazy! (And the kids are on holidays so that
>>> raises the risk even more!!)
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Jeff & Marja Allen
>>> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 9:53 AM
>>> To: The SEL email discussion list
>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Spam> Re: Fwd: [AT] antifreeze
>>>
>>> Hey Reg and all the other fair weather Old Engine Old Farts
>>>
>>> Just could not resist a lurker response to your 37*C temperature. We had
>>> last night that temperature in wind chill last night in reverse...note
>>> the minus sign!  -37*C here in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada .   A bit
>>> chilly, eh, mates.
>>>
>>> Using gallons of antifreeze (cheap scotch) to protect self and one or
>>> two engines,   Jeff Allen
>>>
>>> On 2016-12-01 7:09 PM, Reg wrote:
>>>> Ha! And us with 37*C here today!
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Dave
>>>> Sent: Friday, December 2, 2016 12:55 PM
>>>> To: The SEL email discussion list
>>>> Subject: [SEL] Fwd: [AT] antifreeze
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>>>
>>>>> From: John Hall <jtchall at nc.rr.com>
>>>>> Subject: [AT] antifreeze
>>>>> Date: December 1, 2016 at 8:18:28 PM EST
>>>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>>>> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>>>> Reply-To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>>>> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>>>>
>>>>> For some of you guys it may be too late, but here's a reminder to check
>>>>> your antifreeze. If you're like us you can't keep track of all the
>>>>> repairs made over the last few months.  If all goes as scheduled, we're
>>>>> going to check everything Sat. morning.
>>>>>
>>>>> John Hall
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> AT mailing list
>>>>> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
>>>> _______________________________________________
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From andyglines at hotmail.com  Tue Jan 17 19:52:29 2017
From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2017 03:52:29 +0000
Subject: [SEL] LED shop lighting
Message-ID: <BN6PR11MB1297E588F75A774728939F6AC77F0@BN6PR11MB1297.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>

They make LED bulbs that fit in standard fluorescent light fixtures.  https://greenlightdepot.com/collections/led-tube-lights/products/4ft-t8-led-tube-light    It seems like a great idea.  Does anyone have experience with these?

[http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0931/8152/products/CE-frosted-clear_grande.jpeg?v=1465997043]<https://greenlightdepot.com/collections/led-tube-lights/products/4ft-t8-led-tube-light>

4ft 18W LED Linear Tube - (Bypass Tube)<https://greenlightdepot.com/collections/led-tube-lights/products/4ft-t8-led-tube-light>
greenlightdepot.com
Our T8 4 foot LED tubes is compatible with virtually every standard ballast equipped fluorescent light fixture, making it the perfect replacement for fluorescent lights.





From frank at lbpinc.com  Tue Jan 17 20:10:16 2017
From: frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 23:10:16 -0500
Subject: [SEL] LED shop lighting
In-Reply-To: <BN6PR11MB1297E588F75A774728939F6AC77F0@BN6PR11MB1297.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BN6PR11MB1297E588F75A774728939F6AC77F0@BN6PR11MB1297.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <7f1872fb-17d4-8549-ac95-b54816d1506e@lbpinc.com>

I retrofitted all the florescent light fixtures in my basement with LED 
bypass bulbs.  The bypass bulbs are cheaper but require removing the 
ballast and rewiring.  Most of my fixtures are ones I pulled out of the 
junk 20 to 40 years ago so rewiring was a good idea for me.  I am glad I 
did it.

Frank


On 1/17/2017 10:52 PM, Andy Glines wrote:
> They make LED bulbs that fit in standard fluorescent light fixtures.  https://greenlightdepot.com/collections/led-tube-lights/products/4ft-t8-led-tube-light    It seems like a great idea.  Does anyone have experience with these?
>
> [http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0931/8152/products/CE-frosted-clear_grande.jpeg?v=1465997043]<https://greenlightdepot.com/collections/led-tube-lights/products/4ft-t8-led-tube-light>
>
> 4ft 18W LED Linear Tube - (Bypass Tube)<https://greenlightdepot.com/collections/led-tube-lights/products/4ft-t8-led-tube-light>
> greenlightdepot.com
> Our T8 4 foot LED tubes is compatible with virtually every standard ballast equipped fluorescent light fixture, making it the perfect replacement for fluorescent lights.
>
>
>
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From jbcast at charter.net  Wed Jan 18 07:29:12 2017
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2017 08:29:12 -0700
Subject: [SEL] LED shop lighting
Message-ID: <ZrVC1u0042w555801rVC0T@charter.net>



	-----------------------------------------

	From: "Frank DeWitt" 
To: "The SEL email discussion list"
Cc: 
Sent: 18-Jan-2017 04:13:43 +0000
Subject: Re: [SEL] LED shop lighting

	I converted all of the 4' in my office to LED, converting the 8' in
the shop as they fail. The office is brighter, instant on in all
weather, happy so far.

	J.B. Castagnos

 I retrofitted all the florescent light fixtures in my basement with
LED 
 bypass bulbs. The bypass bulbs are cheaper but require removing the 
 ballast and rewiring. Most of my fixtures are ones I pulled out of
the 
 junk 20 to 40 years ago so rewiring was a good idea for me. I am glad
I 
 did it.

 Frank

 On 1/17/2017 10:52 PM, Andy Glines wrote:
 > They make LED bulbs that fit in standard fluorescent light
fixtures.
https://greenlightdepot.com/collections/led-tube-lights/products/4ft-t8-led-tube-light
[1] It seems like a great idea. Does anyone have experience with
these?
 >
 > 
https://greenlightdepot.com/collections/led-tube-lights/products/4ft-t8-led-tube-light>
 /> > greenlightdepot.com
 > Our T8 4 foot LED tubes is compatible with virtually every standard
ballast equipped fluorescent light fixture, making it the perfect
replacement for fluorescent lights.
 >
 >
 >
 > _______________________________________________
 > SEL mailing list
 > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
 >  
 _______________________________________________
 SEL mailing list
 SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
 

Links:
------
[1]
https://greenlightdepot.com/collections/led-tube-lights/products/4ft-t8-led-tube-light



From rotigel at me.com  Wed Jan 18 10:33:22 2017
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2017 13:33:22 -0500
Subject: [SEL] LED shop lighting
In-Reply-To: <ZrVC1u0042w555801rVC0T@charter.net>
References: <ZrVC1u0042w555801rVC0T@charter.net>
Message-ID: <B744A8A6-8250-4A4E-8F15-8A9F41F74AA2@me.com>

I made that change in the ?tray lighting? in my living-room here in FL last year. Like it VERY much!
	Dave

> On Jan 18, 2017, at 10:29 AM, jbcast at charter.net wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 	-----------------------------------------
> 
> 	From: "Frank DeWitt" 
> To: "The SEL email discussion list"
> Cc: 
> Sent: 18-Jan-2017 04:13:43 +0000
> Subject: Re: [SEL] LED shop lighting
> 
> 	I converted all of the 4' in my office to LED, converting the 8' in
> the shop as they fail. The office is brighter, instant on in all
> weather, happy so far.
> 
> 	J.B. Castagnos
> 
> I retrofitted all the florescent light fixtures in my basement with
> LED 
> bypass bulbs. The bypass bulbs are cheaper but require removing the 
> ballast and rewiring. Most of my fixtures are ones I pulled out of
> the 
> junk 20 to 40 years ago so rewiring was a good idea for me. I am glad
> I 
> did it.
> 
> Frank
> 
> On 1/17/2017 10:52 PM, Andy Glines wrote:
>> They make LED bulbs that fit in standard fluorescent light
> fixtures.
> https://greenlightdepot.com/collections/led-tube-lights/products/4ft-t8-led-tube-light
> [1] It seems like a great idea. Does anyone have experience with
> these?
>> 
>> 
> https://greenlightdepot.com/collections/led-tube-lights/products/4ft-t8-led-tube-light>
> /> > greenlightdepot.com
>> Our T8 4 foot LED tubes is compatible with virtually every standard
> ballast equipped fluorescent light fixture, making it the perfect
> replacement for fluorescent lights.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> 
> _______________________________________________
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> 
> 
> Links:
> ------
> [1]
> https://greenlightdepot.com/collections/led-tube-lights/products/4ft-t8-led-tube-light
> 
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From mr at carolina.rr.com  Wed Jan 18 19:44:01 2017
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2017 22:44:01 -0500
Subject: [SEL] LED shop lighting
In-Reply-To: <7f1872fb-17d4-8549-ac95-b54816d1506e@lbpinc.com>
References: <BN6PR11MB1297E588F75A774728939F6AC77F0@BN6PR11MB1297.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
	<7f1872fb-17d4-8549-ac95-b54816d1506e@lbpinc.com>
Message-ID: <651F8EC1BEFC495DBDDF36A08201CE31@RoysterPC>

I did some tonight, left the old ballast in the fixture but bypassed it.

Mike


-----Original Message----- 
From: Frank DeWitt
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 11:10 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] LED shop lighting

I retrofitted all the florescent light fixtures in my basement with LED
bypass bulbs.  The bypass bulbs are cheaper but require removing the
ballast and rewiring.  Most of my fixtures are ones I pulled out of the
junk 20 to 40 years ago so rewiring was a good idea for me.  I am glad I
did it.

Frank


On 1/17/2017 10:52 PM, Andy Glines wrote:
> They make LED bulbs that fit in standard fluorescent light fixtures. 
> https://greenlightdepot.com/collections/led-tube-lights/products/4ft-t8-led-tube-light 
> It seems like a great idea.  Does anyone have experience with these?
>
> [http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0931/8152/products/CE-frosted-clear_grande.jpeg?v=1465997043]<https://greenlightdepot.com/collections/led-tube-lights/products/4ft-t8-led-tube-light>
>
> 4ft 18W LED Linear Tube - (Bypass 
> Tube)<https://greenlightdepot.com/collections/led-tube-lights/products/4ft-t8-led-tube-light>
> greenlightdepot.com
> Our T8 4 foot LED tubes is compatible with virtually every standard 
> ballast equipped fluorescent light fixture, making it the perfect 
> replacement for fluorescent lights.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>

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From andyglines at hotmail.com  Thu Jan 19 07:03:05 2017
From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 15:03:05 +0000
Subject: [SEL] LED shop lighting
Message-ID: <CY4PR11MB1304854FFC5C1A6469682D7CC77E0@CY4PR11MB1304.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>

Thanks for the replies.  It looks like you guys had positive experiences so I'm going to try them out.


From fero_ah at verizon.net  Thu Jan 19 08:14:49 2017
From: fero_ah at verizon.net (Arnie Fero)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 10:14:49 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [SEL] LED shop lighting
Message-ID: <1635132723.3158.1484842489575.JavaMail.root@vznit170074.mailsrvcs.net>

I'm one of those guys who thinks a flashlight is complicated electrical gear.

Can someone provide a "For Dummies" description of what's involved in doing this
conversion?  It sure sounds like something I want to do in the game room and
the shop / garage.

Thanks!

Arnie


Jan 18, 2017 10:58:42 PM, sel at lists.stationary-engine.com wrote:

===========================================

I did some tonight, left the old ballast in the fixture but bypassed it.

Mike


-----Original Message----- 
From: Frank DeWitt
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 11:10 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] LED shop lighting

I retrofitted all the florescent light fixtures in my basement with LED
bypass bulbs.  The bypass bulbs are cheaper but require removing the
ballast and rewiring.  Most of my fixtures are ones I pulled out of the
junk 20 to 40 years ago so rewiring was a good idea for me.  I am glad I
did it.

Frank


On 1/17/2017 10:52 PM, Andy Glines wrote:
> They make LED bulbs that fit in standard fluorescent light fixtures. 
> https://greenlightdepot.com/collections/led-tube-lights/products/4ft-t8-led-tube-light 
> It seems like a great idea.  Does anyone have experience with these?
>
> [http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0931/8152/products/CE-frosted-clear_grande.jpeg?v=1465997043]
>
> 4ft 18W LED Linear Tube - (Bypass 
> Tube)
> greenlightdepot.com
> Our T8 4 foot LED tubes is compatible with virtually every standard 
> ballast equipped fluorescent light fixture, making it the perfect 
> replacement for fluorescent lights.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>

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    Mechanical Design      |  Phone:  585 624 3052
    LBP  INC.              |
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From rotigel at me.com  Thu Jan 19 08:45:51 2017
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 11:45:51 -0500
Subject: [SEL] LED shop lighting
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Hi Arnie, See: http://www.homepower.com/articles/home-efficiency/electricity/changing-fluorescent-tubes-leds <http://www.homepower.com/articles/home-efficiency/electricity/changing-fluorescent-tubes-leds> and https://video.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?fr=sfp&hsimp=yhs-001&hspart=rotz&p=converting+florcent+to+led#id=3&vid=1062a7bb7c68d6c749f0f3cfb8210761&action=click <https://video.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?fr=sfp&hsimp=yhs-001&hspart=rotz&p=converting+florcent+to+led#id=3&vid=1062a7bb7c68d6c749f0f3cfb8210761&action=click> and even https://search.yahoo.com/yhs/search;_ylt=A0LEVr4F64BYb.AAvZel87UF;_ylc=X1MDOTU4MTA0NjkEX3IDMgRmcgN5aHMtcm90ei0wMDEEZ3ByaWQDVDRGLk8uR2lUU1dkWU1BUUYzLjFtQQRuX3JzbHQDMARuX3N1Z2cDOARvcmlnaW4DdXMuc2VhcmNoLnlhaG9vLmNvbQRwb3MDMARwcXN0cgMEcHFzdHJsAwRxc3RybAMzMgRxdWVyeQNjb252ZXJ0aW5nJTIwZmxvcmNlbnQlMjB0byUyMGxlZAR0X3N0bXADMTQ4NDg0MzgwMw--?p=converting+florcent+to+led&fr=sfp&fr2=sb-top-us.search&type=mdru232bae418d5c26310d4a&hspart=rotz&hsimp=yhs-001&param1=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%3D&param2=&param3=&param4=&iscqry= <https://search.yahoo.com/yhs/search;_ylt=A0LEVr4F64BYb.AAvZel87UF;_ylc=X1MDOTU4MTA0NjkEX3IDMgRmcgN5aHMtcm90ei0wMDEEZ3ByaWQDVDRGLk8uR2lUU1dkWU1BUUYzLjFtQQRuX3JzbHQDMARuX3N1Z2cDOARvcmlnaW4DdXMuc2VhcmNoLnlhaG9vLmNvbQRwb3MDMARwcXN0cgMEcHFzdHJsAwRxc3RybAMzMgRxdWVyeQNjb252ZXJ0aW5nJTIwZmxvcmNlbnQlMjB0byUyMGxlZAR0X3N0bXADMTQ4NDg0MzgwMw--?p=converting+florcent+to+led&fr=sfp&fr2=sb-top-us.search&type=mdru232bae418d5c26310d4a&hspart=rotz&hsimp=yhs-001&param1=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&param2=&param3=&param4=&iscqry=> for lots more.
	Dave

> On Jan 19, 2017, at 11:14 AM, Arnie Fero <fero_ah at verizon.net> wrote:
> 
> I'm one of those guys who thinks a flashlight is complicated electrical gear.
> 
> Can someone provide a "For Dummies" description of what's involved in doing this
> conversion?  It sure sounds like something I want to do in the game room and
> the shop / garage.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Arnie
> 
> 
> Jan 18, 2017 10:58:42 PM, sel at lists.stationary-engine.com wrote:
> 
> ===========================================
> 
> I did some tonight, left the old ballast in the fixture but bypassed it.
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Frank DeWitt
> Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 11:10 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] LED shop lighting
> 
> I retrofitted all the florescent light fixtures in my basement with LED
> bypass bulbs.  The bypass bulbs are cheaper but require removing the
> ballast and rewiring.  Most of my fixtures are ones I pulled out of the
> junk 20 to 40 years ago so rewiring was a good idea for me.  I am glad I
> did it.
> 
> Frank
> 
> 
> On 1/17/2017 10:52 PM, Andy Glines wrote:
>> They make LED bulbs that fit in standard fluorescent light fixtures. 
>> https://greenlightdepot.com/collections/led-tube-lights/products/4ft-t8-led-tube-light 
>> It seems like a great idea.  Does anyone have experience with these?
>> 
>> [http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0931/8152/products/CE-frosted-clear_grande.jpeg?v=1465997043]
>> 
>> 4ft 18W LED Linear Tube - (Bypass 
>> Tube)
>> greenlightdepot.com
>> Our T8 4 foot LED tubes is compatible with virtually every standard 
>> ballast equipped fluorescent light fixture, making it the perfect 
>> replacement for fluorescent lights.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>> 
> 
> -- 
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> SERVE PEOPLE
> DEVELOP EXCELLENCE
> GROW PROFITABLE
> FOLLOWING BIBLICAL PRINCIPLES
> 
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>    Mechanical Design      |  Phone:  585 624 3052
>    LBP  INC.              |
>    2365 Cox Rd.           |
>    Bloomfield NY 14469    |Web  http://www.lbpinc.com/
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From frank at lbpinc.com  Thu Jan 19 09:51:58 2017
From: frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 12:51:58 -0500
Subject: [SEL] LED shop lighting
In-Reply-To: <1635132723.3158.1484842489575.JavaMail.root@vznit170074.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <1635132723.3158.1484842489575.JavaMail.root@vznit170074.mailsrvcs.net>
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Short version
Remove everything from the fixture except the sockets at the ends and 
the wires to them.
Run a power cord into the fixture and connect one power cord wire to one 
or both the pins on one end of the fixture.
connect the other wire to one or both the pins on the other end of the 
fixture.
BUT THE RIGHT BULB
One with this diagram



On 1/19/2017 11:14 AM, Arnie Fero wrote:
> I'm one of those guys who thinks a flashlight is complicated electrical gear.
>
> Can someone provide a "For Dummies" description of what's involved in doing this
> conversion?  It sure sounds like something I want to do in the game room and
> the shop / garage.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Arnie
>
>
> Jan 18, 2017 10:58:42 PM, sel at lists.stationary-engine.com wrote:
>
> ===========================================
>
> I did some tonight, left the old ballast in the fixture but bypassed it.
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Frank DeWitt
> Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 11:10 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] LED shop lighting
>
> I retrofitted all the florescent light fixtures in my basement with LED
> bypass bulbs.  The bypass bulbs are cheaper but require removing the
> ballast and rewiring.  Most of my fixtures are ones I pulled out of the
> junk 20 to 40 years ago so rewiring was a good idea for me.  I am glad I
> did it.
>
> Frank
>
>
> On 1/17/2017 10:52 PM, Andy Glines wrote:
>> They make LED bulbs that fit in standard fluorescent light fixtures.
>> https://greenlightdepot.com/collections/led-tube-lights/products/4ft-t8-led-tube-light
>> It seems like a great idea.  Does anyone have experience with these?
>>
>> [http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0931/8152/products/CE-frosted-clear_grande.jpeg?v=1465997043]
>>
>> 4ft 18W LED Linear Tube - (Bypass
>> Tube)
>> greenlightdepot.com
>> Our T8 4 foot LED tubes is compatible with virtually every standard
>> ballast equipped fluorescent light fixture, making it the perfect
>> replacement for fluorescent lights.
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>

-- 
--------------
HONOR GOD
SERVE PEOPLE
DEVELOP EXCELLENCE
GROW PROFITABLE
FOLLOWING BIBLICAL PRINCIPLES

    Frank DeWitt           |  mailto:frank at lbpinc.com
    Mechanical Design      |  Phone:  585 624 3052
    LBP  INC.              |
    2365 Cox Rd.           |
    Bloomfield NY 14469    |Web  http://www.lbpinc.com/



From enginepaul at gmail.com  Thu Jan 19 10:30:44 2017
From: enginepaul at gmail.com (STRAIGHT from SanFran)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 10:30:44 -0800
Subject: [SEL] LED shop lighting
In-Reply-To: <F88B7EDF-F624-429F-83F1-FFDDAC6B85CF@me.com>
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	<F88B7EDF-F624-429F-83F1-FFDDAC6B85CF@me.com>
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Damn Dave!

I replaced the entire unit when I swapped an old one for an elderly friend
and it was simple. Nothing to read, and not that expensive.

Arnie: May I suggest you just tell a younger friend that you are too old to
do it yourself and are afraid of falling off a ladder? Mention that you are
on Social Security and he might even pay for it too.

Paul



On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 8:45 AM, Dave <rotigel at me.com> wrote:

> Hi Arnie, See: http://www.homepower.com/articles/home-efficiency/
> electricity/changing-fluorescent-tubes-leds <http://www.homepower.com/
> articles/home-efficiency/electricity/changing-fluorescent-tubes-leds> and
> https://video.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?fr=sfp&hsimp=
> yhs-001&hspart=rotz&p=converting+florcent+to+led#id=3&vid=
> 1062a7bb7c68d6c749f0f3cfb8210761&action=click <https://video.search.yahoo.
> com/yhs/search?fr=sfp&hsimp=yhs-001&hspart=rotz&p=
> converting+florcent+to+led#id=3&vid=1062a7bb7c68d6c749f0f3cfb82107
> 61&action=click> and even https://search.yahoo.com/yhs/
> search;_ylt=A0LEVr4F64BYb.AAvZel87UF;_ylc=X1MDOTU4MTA0NjkEX3IDMgRmcgN5aH
> Mtcm90ei0wMDEEZ3ByaWQDVDRGLk8uR2lUU1dkWU1BUUYzLjFtQQRuX3JzbH
> QDMARuX3N1Z2cDOARvcmlnaW4DdXMuc2VhcmNoLnlhaG9vLmNvbQRwb3MDMA
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> xvcmNlbnQlMjB0byUyMGxlZAR0X3N0bXADMTQ4NDg0MzgwMw--?p=
> converting+florcent+to+led&fr=sfp&fr2=sb-top-us.search&type=
> mdru232bae418d5c26310d4a&hspart=rotz&hsimp=yhs-001&param1!
>  =ArFaIWRoNqArQGMVJ7sby78oQGR7B7NoN9IEFbFbMmZoN9IgB7seAT0bQGR7
> B7JoN9JbDSk8vFE9GqQANFdcFCk8NVRdJ6IVwVI3vCk4vFJdImISvmldJ6k3
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> vFM9ImoWwV5cGWUWvmFcHWUINFM9J6ITvFI9ImIWwVA9J6IWwV5cEWUQvmE4
> ICILNFRbDqUDNEJcFaULvmFoNqAqxrFaIWp4Mqt8MWRaMrFbMnVoN9IgASQu
> x81cM81dNo0gB6ouzD4awTcgwSQ5CaV7CaV%3D&param2=&param3=&param4=&iscqry= <
> https://search.yahoo.com/yhs/search;_ylt=A0LEVr4F64BYb.AAvZel87UF;_ylc=
> X1MDOTU4MTA0NjkEX3IDMgRmcgN5aHMtcm90ei0wMDEEZ3ByaWQDVDRGLk8u
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> bXADMTQ4NDg0MzgwMw--?p=converting+florcent+to+led&fr=
> sfp&fr2=sb-top-us.search&type=mdru232bae418d5c26310d4a&hspart=rotz&hsim!
>  p=yhs-001&param1=ArFaIWRoNqArQGMVJ7sby78oQGR7B7
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> V7CaV=&param2=&param3=&param4=&iscqry=> for lots more.
>         Dave
>
> > On Jan 19, 2017, at 11:14 AM, Arnie Fero <fero_ah at verizon.net> wrote:
> >
> > I'm one of those guys who thinks a flashlight is complicated electrical
> gear.
> >
> > Can someone provide a "For Dummies" description of what's involved in
> doing this
> > conversion?  It sure sounds like something I want to do in the game room
> and
> > the shop / garage.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Arnie
> >
> >
> > Jan 18, 2017 10:58:42 PM, sel at lists.stationary-engine.com wrote:
> >
> > ===========================================
> >
> > I did some tonight, left the old ballast in the fixture but bypassed it.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Frank DeWitt
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 11:10 PM
> > To: The SEL email discussion list
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] LED shop lighting
> >
> > I retrofitted all the florescent light fixtures in my basement with LED
> > bypass bulbs.  The bypass bulbs are cheaper but require removing the
> > ballast and rewiring.  Most of my fixtures are ones I pulled out of the
> > junk 20 to 40 years ago so rewiring was a good idea for me.  I am glad I
> > did it.
> >
> > Frank
> >
> >
> > On 1/17/2017 10:52 PM, Andy Glines wrote:
> >> They make LED bulbs that fit in standard fluorescent light fixtures.
> >> https://greenlightdepot.com/collections/led-tube-lights/
> products/4ft-t8-led-tube-light
> >> It seems like a great idea.  Does anyone have experience with these?
> >>
> >> [http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0931/8152/products/CE-
> frosted-clear_grande.jpeg?v=1465997043]
> >>
> >> 4ft 18W LED Linear Tube - (Bypass
> >> Tube)
> >> greenlightdepot.com
> >> Our T8 4 foot LED tubes is compatible with virtually every standard
> >> ballast equipped fluorescent light fixture, making it the perfect
> >> replacement for fluorescent lights.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> SEL mailing list
> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >>
> >
> > --
> > --------------
> > HONOR GOD
> > SERVE PEOPLE
> > DEVELOP EXCELLENCE
> > GROW PROFITABLE
> > FOLLOWING BIBLICAL PRINCIPLES
> >
> >    Frank DeWitt           |  mailto:frank at lbpinc.com
> >    Mechanical Design      |  Phone:  585 624 3052
> >    LBP  INC.              |
> >    2365 Cox Rd.           |
> >    Bloomfield NY 14469    |Web  http://www.lbpinc.com/
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
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> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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>
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From rfinksr at verizon.net  Thu Jan 19 11:37:22 2017
From: rfinksr at verizon.net (Richard Fink Sr)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 14:37:22 -0500
Subject: [SEL] LED shop lighting
In-Reply-To: <04084003-4895-acbc-49ef-9ad369b3c765@lbpinc.com>
References: <1635132723.3158.1484842489575.JavaMail.root@vznit170074.mailsrvcs.net>
	<04084003-4895-acbc-49ef-9ad369b3c765@lbpinc.com>
Message-ID: <c7f2aa84-2553-cd0f-2425-860b22730dfb@verizon.net>

That short version is about as clear as muddy water as pappy would say

R Fink Sr

PA


On 1/19/2017 12:51 PM, Frank DeWitt wrote:
> Short version
> Remove everything from the fixture except the sockets at the ends and
> the wires to them.
> Run a power cord into the fixture and connect one power cord wire to one
> or both the pins on one end of the fixture.
> connect the other wire to one or both the pins on the other end of the
> fixture.
> BUT THE RIGHT BULB
> One with this diagram
>
>
>
> On 1/19/2017 11:14 AM, Arnie Fero wrote:
>> I'm one of those guys who thinks a flashlight is complicated electrical gear.
>>
>> Can someone provide a "For Dummies" description of what's involved in doing this
>> conversion?  It sure sounds like something I want to do in the game room and
>> the shop / garage.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Arnie
>>
>>
>> Jan 18, 2017 10:58:42 PM, sel at lists.stationary-engine.com wrote:
>>
>> ===========================================
>>
>> I did some tonight, left the old ballast in the fixture but bypassed it.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Frank DeWitt
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 11:10 PM
>> To: The SEL email discussion list
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] LED shop lighting
>>
>> I retrofitted all the florescent light fixtures in my basement with LED
>> bypass bulbs.  The bypass bulbs are cheaper but require removing the
>> ballast and rewiring.  Most of my fixtures are ones I pulled out of the
>> junk 20 to 40 years ago so rewiring was a good idea for me.  I am glad I
>> did it.
>>
>> Frank
>>
>>
>> On 1/17/2017 10:52 PM, Andy Glines wrote:
>>> They make LED bulbs that fit in standard fluorescent light fixtures.
>>> https://greenlightdepot.com/collections/led-tube-lights/products/4ft-t8-led-tube-light
>>> It seems like a great idea.  Does anyone have experience with these?
>>>
>>> [http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0931/8152/products/CE-frosted-clear_grande.jpeg?v=1465997043]
>>>
>>> 4ft 18W LED Linear Tube - (Bypass
>>> Tube)
>>> greenlightdepot.com
>>> Our T8 4 foot LED tubes is compatible with virtually every standard
>>> ballast equipped fluorescent light fixture, making it the perfect
>>> replacement for fluorescent lights.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SEL mailing list
>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>


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From frank at lbpinc.com  Thu Jan 19 12:29:21 2017
From: frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 15:29:21 -0500
Subject: [SEL] LED shop lighting
In-Reply-To: <c7f2aa84-2553-cd0f-2425-860b22730dfb@verizon.net>
References: <1635132723.3158.1484842489575.JavaMail.root@vznit170074.mailsrvcs.net>
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Let it set for a while, It will clear up.

Arnie  Bring some fixtures to Coolsprings and I will rewire them.  One 
beer per fixture.

Frank


On 1/19/2017 2:37 PM, Richard Fink Sr wrote:
> That short version is about as clear as muddy water as pappy would say
>
> R Fink Sr
>
> PA
>
>
> On 1/19/2017 12:51 PM, Frank DeWitt wrote:
>> Short version
>> Remove everything from the fixture except the sockets at the ends and
>> the wires to them.
>> Run a power cord into the fixture and connect one power cord wire to one
>> or both the pins on one end of the fixture.
>> connect the other wire to one or both the pins on the other end of the
>> fixture.
>> BUT THE RIGHT BULB
>> One with this diagram
>>
>>
>>
>> On 1/19/2017 11:14 AM, Arnie Fero wrote:
>>> I'm one of those guys who thinks a flashlight is complicated electrical gear.
>>>
>>> Can someone provide a "For Dummies" description of what's involved in doing this
>>> conversion?  It sure sounds like something I want to do in the game room and
>>> the shop / garage.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Arnie
>>>
>>>
>>> Jan 18, 2017 10:58:42 PM, sel at lists.stationary-engine.com wrote:
>>>
>>> ===========================================
>>>
>>> I did some tonight, left the old ballast in the fixture but bypassed it.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Frank DeWitt
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 11:10 PM
>>> To: The SEL email discussion list
>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] LED shop lighting
>>>
>>> I retrofitted all the florescent light fixtures in my basement with LED
>>> bypass bulbs.  The bypass bulbs are cheaper but require removing the
>>> ballast and rewiring.  Most of my fixtures are ones I pulled out of the
>>> junk 20 to 40 years ago so rewiring was a good idea for me.  I am glad I
>>> did it.
>>>
>>> Frank
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1/17/2017 10:52 PM, Andy Glines wrote:
>>>> They make LED bulbs that fit in standard fluorescent light fixtures.
>>>> https://greenlightdepot.com/collections/led-tube-lights/products/4ft-t8-led-tube-light
>>>> It seems like a great idea.  Does anyone have experience with these?
>>>>
>>>> [http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0931/8152/products/CE-frosted-clear_grande.jpeg?v=1465997043]
>>>>
>>>> 4ft 18W LED Linear Tube - (Bypass
>>>> Tube)
>>>> greenlightdepot.com
>>>> Our T8 4 foot LED tubes is compatible with virtually every standard
>>>> ballast equipped fluorescent light fixture, making it the perfect
>>>> replacement for fluorescent lights.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> SEL mailing list
>>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>>
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From rfinksr at verizon.net  Thu Jan 19 12:57:21 2017
From: rfinksr at verizon.net (Richard Fink Sr)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 15:57:21 -0500
Subject: [SEL] LED shop lighting
In-Reply-To: <5a1780eb-d63d-4122-c26e-f5fddcf8015e@lbpinc.com>
References: <1635132723.3158.1484842489575.JavaMail.root@vznit170074.mailsrvcs.net>
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	<c7f2aa84-2553-cd0f-2425-860b22730dfb@verizon.net>
	<5a1780eb-d63d-4122-c26e-f5fddcf8015e@lbpinc.com>
Message-ID: <9cb0e4c3-61c0-8575-9a0f-48b17677830f@verizon.net>

Right you are Frank

R Fink Sr

PA


On 1/19/2017 3:29 PM, Frank DeWitt wrote:
> Let it set for a while, It will clear up.
>
> Arnie  Bring some fixtures to Coolsprings and I will rewire them.  One
> beer per fixture.
>
> Frank
>
>
> On 1/19/2017 2:37 PM, Richard Fink Sr wrote:
>> That short version is about as clear as muddy water as pappy would say
>>
>> R Fink Sr
>>
>> PA
>>
>>
>> On 1/19/2017 12:51 PM, Frank DeWitt wrote:
>>> Short version
>>> Remove everything from the fixture except the sockets at the ends and
>>> the wires to them.
>>> Run a power cord into the fixture and connect one power cord wire to one
>>> or both the pins on one end of the fixture.
>>> connect the other wire to one or both the pins on the other end of the
>>> fixture.
>>> BUT THE RIGHT BULB
>>> One with this diagram
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1/19/2017 11:14 AM, Arnie Fero wrote:
>>>> I'm one of those guys who thinks a flashlight is complicated electrical gear.
>>>>
>>>> Can someone provide a "For Dummies" description of what's involved in doing this
>>>> conversion?  It sure sounds like something I want to do in the game room and
>>>> the shop / garage.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>>
>>>> Arnie
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jan 18, 2017 10:58:42 PM, sel at lists.stationary-engine.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ===========================================
>>>>
>>>> I did some tonight, left the old ballast in the fixture but bypassed it.
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Frank DeWitt
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 11:10 PM
>>>> To: The SEL email discussion list
>>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] LED shop lighting
>>>>
>>>> I retrofitted all the florescent light fixtures in my basement with LED
>>>> bypass bulbs.  The bypass bulbs are cheaper but require removing the
>>>> ballast and rewiring.  Most of my fixtures are ones I pulled out of the
>>>> junk 20 to 40 years ago so rewiring was a good idea for me.  I am glad I
>>>> did it.
>>>>
>>>> Frank
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 1/17/2017 10:52 PM, Andy Glines wrote:
>>>>> They make LED bulbs that fit in standard fluorescent light fixtures.
>>>>> https://greenlightdepot.com/collections/led-tube-lights/products/4ft-t8-led-tube-light
>>>>> It seems like a great idea.  Does anyone have experience with these?
>>>>>
>>>>> [http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0931/8152/products/CE-frosted-clear_grande.jpeg?v=1465997043]
>>>>>
>>>>> 4ft 18W LED Linear Tube - (Bypass
>>>>> Tube)
>>>>> greenlightdepot.com
>>>>> Our T8 4 foot LED tubes is compatible with virtually every standard
>>>>> ballast equipped fluorescent light fixture, making it the perfect
>>>>> replacement for fluorescent lights.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> SEL mailing list
>>>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>>>
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From rotigel at me.com  Fri Jan 20 09:32:44 2017
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 12:32:44 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Life Is Good!
Message-ID: <05C8C75A-EB46-41A4-BB6D-13FB5BF6DF08@me.com>

That?s all, LIFE IS GOOD!
	Dave




From frank at lbpinc.com  Sat Jan 21 10:07:03 2017
From: frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2017 13:07:03 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Antique log splitter
In-Reply-To: <04084003-4895-acbc-49ef-9ad369b3c765@lbpinc.com>
References: <1635132723.3158.1484842489575.JavaMail.root@vznit170074.mailsrvcs.net>
	<04084003-4895-acbc-49ef-9ad369b3c765@lbpinc.com>
Message-ID: <b2f07a89-9848-25ae-98de-5084b69de8d6@lbpinc.com>

I don't think you have seen one like this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=514&v=AnyZSDkkVT0



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    LBP  INC.              |
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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Sat Jan 21 13:37:15 2017
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2017 13:37:15 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Fork lift parts
Message-ID: <AABNJHXGVAHXSTF2@smtpout02.vgs.untd.com>

Hi all.
I broke the axle on my Hyster RT 150 fork lift.  To keep this on topic, I
use it when working on my old engines and tractors.  This was made in the
50's and is powered by an IH Greendiamond 233 engine.  I was trying to
push the forks under a three cylinder Hicks marine engine setting on
dirt.  Dumped the clutch and bang, the drive shaft turned but I didn't
move.  The axle has:  9459 A34 58662 H and a circle with IH stamped also.
 It is 37" long, with 16 splines that are 2.580" long and 1.815" in
diameter.  The rest of the axle is 1.590" in diameter.  The flange is
6.250" in diameter and .3875 thick, with 6 holes for the securing studs
to go through.  The holes are .500" and it has two 1/2 x13 threaded holes
for jack bolts and weighs 22.5 lbs.
I have found one for $375 plus about 10% tax, I thought this was a little
much as I am cheap.  Does anyone on the list have one in their bone pile
or know where I could find one at a better price. I was told shipping on
something like this should be $35 to $40.
Thanks.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
https://plus.google.com/104862591013550196821/posts
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From jbcast at charter.net  Sat Jan 21 14:46:13 2017
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2017 15:46:13 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Fork lift parts
Message-ID: <bAmE1u0011We6P001AmE0a@charter.net>

Would it be possible to weld it? They weld axles for race cars. I
would bevel 

	both ends and weld it together, I have a lathe I would put it in to
be sure it was true. If you happen to find a longer axle cut a hole in
the flange, slide it through, weld the axle to it. We used to race in
the 60s, 55 Chevy with a Pontiac rear end. We would paint a stripe on
the axle, change it when it twisted 180 degrees.

	J.B. Castagnos 

	-----------------------------------------From: rdhaskell at juno.com
To: 
Cc: 
Sent: 21-Jan-2017 21:43:35 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Fork lift parts

 Hi all.
 I broke the axle on my Hyster RT 150 fork lift. To keep this on
topic, I
 use it when working on my old engines and tractors. This was made in
the
 50's and is powered by an IH Greendiamond 233 engine. I was trying to
 push the forks under a three cylinder Hicks marine engine setting on
 dirt. Dumped the clutch and bang, the drive shaft turned but I didn't
 move. The axle has: 9459 A34 58662 H and a circle with IH stamped
also.
 It is 37" long, with 16 splines that are 2.580" long and 1.815" in
 diameter. The rest of the axle is 1.590" in diameter. The flange is
 6.250" in diameter and .3875 thick, with 6 holes for the securing
studs
 to go through. The holes are .500" and it has two 1/2 x13 threaded
holes
 for jack bolts and weighs 22.5 lbs.
 I have found one for $375 plus about 10% tax, I thought this was a
little
 much as I am cheap. Does anyone on the list have one in their bone
pile
 or know where I could find one at a better price. I was told shipping
on
 something like this should be $35 to $40.
 Thanks.

 Ron Haskell
 rdhaskell at juno.com
 Riverside, California USA



From rdhaskell at juno.com  Sat Jan 21 15:16:21 2017
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2017 15:16:21 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Fork lift parts
Message-ID: <AABNJH5A9AF7PQ3S@smtpout51.vgs.untd.com>

I thought about welding it, the break was old, about 1/4 was rusty and
there was a crack going for 3", and you could see where it had worked and
oil had squeezed out and left a ridge.  What rod would you use?
Ron
On Sat, 21 Jan 2017 15:46:13 -0700 jbcast at charter.net writes:
> Would it be possible to weld it? They weld axles for race cars. I
> would bevel 
> 
>         both ends and weld it together, I have a lathe I would put 
> it in to
> be sure it was true. If you happen to find a longer axle cut a hole 
> in
> the flange, slide it through, weld the axle to it. We used to race 
> in
> the 60s, 55 Chevy with a Pontiac rear end. We would paint a stripe 
> on
> the axle, change it when it twisted 180 degrees.
> 
>         J.B. Castagnos 
> 



From jnyost at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 23 08:03:26 2017
From: jnyost at yahoo.com (Jim Yost)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 11:03:26 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Coolsprings show
Message-ID: <834945DB-7161-4CFB-9C03-E4285FB55FB7@yahoo.com>

What's the dates? Also I haven't been there in years. Who do I contact about rv camping?

Sent from my iPhone
Jim



From jtstraka at roadrunner.com  Mon Jan 23 08:58:30 2017
From: jtstraka at roadrunner.com (TED)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 11:58:30 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Re:  Coolsprings show
In-Reply-To: <834945DB-7161-4CFB-9C03-E4285FB55FB7@yahoo.com>
References: <834945DB-7161-4CFB-9C03-E4285FB55FB7@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1a2ba46b-cf2c-1814-46a9-682b9284b0d0@roadrunner.com>

Jake Faith 724 295 4643


On 1/23/2017 11:03 AM, Jim Yost wrote:
> What's the dates? Also I haven't been there in years. Who do I contact about rv camping?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> Jim
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
>



From frappi at wcoil.com  Mon Jan 23 09:55:01 2017
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 12:55:01 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Re:  Coolsprings show
In-Reply-To: <834945DB-7161-4CFB-9C03-E4285FB55FB7@yahoo.com>
References: <834945DB-7161-4CFB-9C03-E4285FB55FB7@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20170123175504.CF4CC80D6@smtp.wcoil.com>

https://www.facebook.com/groups/coolspringpowermuseum/

At 11:03 AM 1/23/2017, you wrote:
>What's the dates? Also I haven't been there in years. Who do I 
>contact about rv camping?
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>Jim
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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Mark Shulaw
454 County Road 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817
USA
Galations 3:27-29

Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home
Hobby Collector and Dealer in
ZEV Magneto Parts
John Deere
& Hercules Engines.
Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com
Where Is John Galt



From blcksmth at wcnet.org  Mon Jan 23 10:11:20 2017
From: blcksmth at wcnet.org (Bob)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 13:11:20 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Re:  Spam> Re: Coolsprings show
In-Reply-To: <1a2ba46b-cf2c-1814-46a9-682b9284b0d0@roadrunner.com>
References: <834945DB-7161-4CFB-9C03-E4285FB55FB7@yahoo.com>
	<1a2ba46b-cf2c-1814-46a9-682b9284b0d0@roadrunner.com>
Message-ID: <811c0d38-1ed2-0e2d-8b71-d3d647140c04@wcnet.org>

     June 15,16,17, 2017

Bob Willman
The Eagle's Anvil
Bowling Green, Ohio
WB8NQW

Unless we put medical freedom into the Constitution, the time will come
when medicine will organize into an undercover dictatorship to restrict
the art of healing to one class of Men and deny equal privileges to others;
the Constitution of the republic should make a Special privilege for medical
freedoms as well as religious freedom.

Benjamin Rush

On 1/23/2017 11:58 AM, TED wrote:
> Jake Faith 724 295 4643
>
>
> On 1/23/2017 11:03 AM, Jim Yost wrote:
>> What's the dates? Also I haven't been there in years. Who do I contact about rv camping?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> Jim
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
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>
>
>



From rotigel at me.com  Mon Jan 23 18:25:24 2017
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 21:25:24 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Re:  Coolsprings show
In-Reply-To: <20170123175504.CF4CC80D6@smtp.wcoil.com>
References: <834945DB-7161-4CFB-9C03-E4285FB55FB7@yahoo.com>
	<20170123175504.CF4CC80D6@smtp.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <4D1F0517-ECBD-4F6D-A384-6FA74098C7FE@me.com>

See: http://coolspringpowermuseum.org/Events.htm <http://coolspringpowermuseum.org/Events.htm>
	Dave

> On Jan 23, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Mark Shulaw <frappi at wcoil.com> wrote:
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/groups/coolspringpowermuseum/
> 
> At 11:03 AM 1/23/2017, you wrote:
>> What's the dates? Also I haven't been there in years. Who do I 
>> contact about rv camping?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> Jim
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
> 
> Mark Shulaw
> 454 County Road 33
> Bluffton, OH. 45817
> USA
> Galations 3:27-29
> 
> Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home
> Hobby Collector and Dealer in
> ZEV Magneto Parts
> John Deere
> & Hercules Engines.
> Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
> VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com
> Where Is John Galt
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From rotigel at me.com  Wed Jan 25 18:21:57 2017
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2017 21:21:57 -0500
Subject: [SEL] German Lawnmower
Message-ID: <CEE01028-23FA-4D0C-B208-8A2EA08FC7BF@me.com>

See: https://biggeekdad.com/2012/11/german-lawnmower/ <https://biggeekdad.com/2012/11/german-lawnmower/>

From cwja at telus.net  Thu Jan 12 14:53:34 2017
From: cwja at telus.net (Jeff & Marja Allen)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 15:53:34 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Re: Fwd: [AT] antifreeze
In-Reply-To: <56DF94EC-C794-4B09-A4C6-60777DA424E3@me.com>
References: <41a5f919-20c2-d0e7-3e3c-e718d691365c@nc.rr.com>
	<56DF94EC-C794-4B09-A4C6-60777DA424E3@me.com>
Message-ID: <f33dc2ff-055c-0f86-5bd2-98bd851a239a@telus.net>

Hey Reg and all the other fair weather Old Engine Old Farts

Just could not resist a lurker response to your 37*C temperature. We had 
last night that temperature in wind chill last night in reverse...note 
the minus sign!  -37*C here in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada .   A bit 
chilly, eh, mates.

Using gallons of antifreeze (cheap scotch) to protect self and one or 
two engines,   Jeff Allen

On 2016-12-01 7:09 PM, Reg wrote:
> Ha! And us with 37*C here today!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave
> Sent: Friday, December 2, 2016 12:55 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: [SEL] Fwd: [AT] antifreeze
>
>
>
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>
>> From: John Hall <jtchall at nc.rr.com>
>> Subject: [AT] antifreeze
>> Date: December 1, 2016 at 8:18:28 PM EST
>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>> Reply-To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>
>> For some of you guys it may be too late, but here's a reminder to check
>> your antifreeze. If you're like us you can't keep track of all the
>> repairs made over the last few months.  If all goes as scheduled, we're
>> going to check everything Sat. morning.
>>
>> John Hall
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Thu Jan 12 15:21:23 2017
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 10:21:23 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Re: Fwd: [AT] antifreeze
In-Reply-To: <f33dc2ff-055c-0f86-5bd2-98bd851a239a@telus.net>
References: <41a5f919-20c2-d0e7-3e3c-e718d691365c@nc.rr.com><56DF94EC-C794-4B09-A4C6-60777DA424E3@me.com>
	<f33dc2ff-055c-0f86-5bd2-98bd851a239a@telus.net>
Message-ID: <3612F6077AC74C6F8E571BA4B0BCFC52@REGPC>

Ha! it was 47C near here two days back. We had 44C.  Another bad one today 
is expected. Fire risk is crazy! (And the kids are on holidays so that 
raises the risk even more!!)

-----Original Message----- 
From: Jeff & Marja Allen
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 9:53 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Spam> Re: Fwd: [AT] antifreeze

Hey Reg and all the other fair weather Old Engine Old Farts

Just could not resist a lurker response to your 37*C temperature. We had
last night that temperature in wind chill last night in reverse...note
the minus sign!  -37*C here in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada .   A bit
chilly, eh, mates.

Using gallons of antifreeze (cheap scotch) to protect self and one or
two engines,   Jeff Allen

On 2016-12-01 7:09 PM, Reg wrote:
> Ha! And us with 37*C here today!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave
> Sent: Friday, December 2, 2016 12:55 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: [SEL] Fwd: [AT] antifreeze
>
>
>
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>
>> From: John Hall <jtchall at nc.rr.com>
>> Subject: [AT] antifreeze
>> Date: December 1, 2016 at 8:18:28 PM EST
>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>> Reply-To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>
>> For some of you guys it may be too late, but here's a reminder to check
>> your antifreeze. If you're like us you can't keep track of all the
>> repairs made over the last few months.  If all goes as scheduled, we're
>> going to check everything Sat. morning.
>>
>> John Hall
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> AT mailing list
>> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
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From wilson at stny.rr.com  Thu Jan 12 17:30:51 2017
From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 20:30:51 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Right or wrong?
Message-ID: <CFDCCAE3-C33E-451C-B120-22FE3F8CBF4F@stny.rr.com>

Has the antique engine craze faded?


From al.harris at rustic-engines.com  Thu Jan 12 18:07:16 2017
From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 13:07:16 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Re: Fwd: [AT] antifreeze
In-Reply-To: <3612F6077AC74C6F8E571BA4B0BCFC52@REGPC>
References: <41a5f919-20c2-d0e7-3e3c-e718d691365c@nc.rr.com>
	<56DF94EC-C794-4B09-A4C6-60777DA424E3@me.com>
	<f33dc2ff-055c-0f86-5bd2-98bd851a239a@telus.net>
	<3612F6077AC74C6F8E571BA4B0BCFC52@REGPC>
Message-ID: <e26af84b-6eca-886f-8f47-f129cda09147@rustic-engines.com>

Being Friday the 13th couldn't make it any worse eh Reg?


On 13-Jan-17 10:21, Reg wrote:
> Ha! it was 47C near here two days back. We had 44C.  Another bad one today
> is expected. Fire risk is crazy! (And the kids are on holidays so that
> raises the risk even more!!)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff & Marja Allen
> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 9:53 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Spam> Re: Fwd: [AT] antifreeze
>
> Hey Reg and all the other fair weather Old Engine Old Farts
>
> Just could not resist a lurker response to your 37*C temperature. We had
> last night that temperature in wind chill last night in reverse...note
> the minus sign!  -37*C here in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada .   A bit
> chilly, eh, mates.
>
> Using gallons of antifreeze (cheap scotch) to protect self and one or
> two engines,   Jeff Allen
>
> On 2016-12-01 7:09 PM, Reg wrote:
>> Ha! And us with 37*C here today!
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Dave
>> Sent: Friday, December 2, 2016 12:55 PM
>> To: The SEL email discussion list
>> Subject: [SEL] Fwd: [AT] antifreeze
>>
>>
>>
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>
>>> From: John Hall <jtchall at nc.rr.com>
>>> Subject: [AT] antifreeze
>>> Date: December 1, 2016 at 8:18:28 PM EST
>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>> Reply-To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>>
>>> For some of you guys it may be too late, but here's a reminder to check
>>> your antifreeze. If you're like us you can't keep track of all the
>>> repairs made over the last few months.  If all goes as scheduled, we're
>>> going to check everything Sat. morning.
>>>
>>> John Hall
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> AT mailing list
>>> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Thu Jan 12 23:40:06 2017
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 18:40:06 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Re: Fwd: [AT] antifreeze
In-Reply-To: <e26af84b-6eca-886f-8f47-f129cda09147@rustic-engines.com>
References: <41a5f919-20c2-d0e7-3e3c-e718d691365c@nc.rr.com><56DF94EC-C794-4B09-A4C6-60777DA424E3@me.com><f33dc2ff-055c-0f86-5bd2-98bd851a239a@telus.net><3612F6077AC74C6F8E571BA4B0BCFC52@REGPC>
	<e26af84b-6eca-886f-8f47-f129cda09147@rustic-engines.com>
Message-ID: <9D3F6D10580347CCA6BBD1C4060FA48E@REGPC>

Really, NOT funny here suffering it!!
I cannot  recall suffering these temps since arriving here 50+ years ago.
I just hope the power stays on!

-----Original Message----- 
From: Al Harris
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 1:07 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Spam> Re: Fwd: [AT] antifreeze

Being Friday the 13th couldn't make it any worse eh Reg?


On 13-Jan-17 10:21, Reg wrote:
> Ha! it was 47C near here two days back. We had 44C.  Another bad one today
> is expected. Fire risk is crazy! (And the kids are on holidays so that
> raises the risk even more!!)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff & Marja Allen
> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 9:53 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Spam> Re: Fwd: [AT] antifreeze
>
> Hey Reg and all the other fair weather Old Engine Old Farts
>
> Just could not resist a lurker response to your 37*C temperature. We had
> last night that temperature in wind chill last night in reverse...note
> the minus sign!  -37*C here in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada .   A bit
> chilly, eh, mates.
>
> Using gallons of antifreeze (cheap scotch) to protect self and one or
> two engines,   Jeff Allen
>
> On 2016-12-01 7:09 PM, Reg wrote:
>> Ha! And us with 37*C here today!
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Dave
>> Sent: Friday, December 2, 2016 12:55 PM
>> To: The SEL email discussion list
>> Subject: [SEL] Fwd: [AT] antifreeze
>>
>>
>>
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>
>>> From: John Hall <jtchall at nc.rr.com>
>>> Subject: [AT] antifreeze
>>> Date: December 1, 2016 at 8:18:28 PM EST
>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group 
>>> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>> Reply-To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>>
>>> For some of you guys it may be too late, but here's a reminder to check
>>> your antifreeze. If you're like us you can't keep track of all the
>>> repairs made over the last few months.  If all goes as scheduled, we're
>>> going to check everything Sat. morning.
>>>
>>> John Hall
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> AT mailing list
>>> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
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From enginepaul at gmail.com  Fri Jan 13 09:07:00 2017
From: enginepaul at gmail.com (STRAIGHT from SanFran)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 09:07:00 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Re: Fwd: [AT] antifreeze
In-Reply-To: <9D3F6D10580347CCA6BBD1C4060FA48E@REGPC>
References: <41a5f919-20c2-d0e7-3e3c-e718d691365c@nc.rr.com>
	<56DF94EC-C794-4B09-A4C6-60777DA424E3@me.com>
	<f33dc2ff-055c-0f86-5bd2-98bd851a239a@telus.net>
	<3612F6077AC74C6F8E571BA4B0BCFC52@REGPC>
	<e26af84b-6eca-886f-8f47-f129cda09147@rustic-engines.com>
	<9D3F6D10580347CCA6BBD1C4060FA48E@REGPC>
Message-ID: <CAMuKiUB04DX6YBphSwq3XBem568mrduM1M8jYeVXgnpctbG_=A@mail.gmail.com>

I'm in California looking into flood insurance. The term 'river crossing'
now means the river is crossing the highway.

I shouldn't complain, I have a rental in Sacramento that now has a pool, or
natural pond, in the back yard.

Paul

PS: If you want to see what Mother Nature can do, look up the California
flood of 1862. Washington, Oregon, California, Nevada, Arizona, Idaho and
other states were all inundated. Indian lore says the entire center of the
state floods on occasion.

On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 11:40 PM, Reg <randmingold at hotkey.net.au> wrote:

> Really, NOT funny here suffering it!!
> I cannot  recall suffering these temps since arriving here 50+ years ago.
> I just hope the power stays on!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Al Harris
> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 1:07 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Spam> Re: Fwd: [AT] antifreeze
>
> Being Friday the 13th couldn't make it any worse eh Reg?
>
>
> On 13-Jan-17 10:21, Reg wrote:
> > Ha! it was 47C near here two days back. We had 44C.  Another bad one
> today
> > is expected. Fire risk is crazy! (And the kids are on holidays so that
> > raises the risk even more!!)
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jeff & Marja Allen
> > Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 9:53 AM
> > To: The SEL email discussion list
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Spam> Re: Fwd: [AT] antifreeze
> >
> > Hey Reg and all the other fair weather Old Engine Old Farts
> >
> > Just could not resist a lurker response to your 37*C temperature. We had
> > last night that temperature in wind chill last night in reverse...note
> > the minus sign!  -37*C here in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada .   A bit
> > chilly, eh, mates.
> >
> > Using gallons of antifreeze (cheap scotch) to protect self and one or
> > two engines,   Jeff Allen
> >
> > On 2016-12-01 7:09 PM, Reg wrote:
> >> Ha! And us with 37*C here today!
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Dave
> >> Sent: Friday, December 2, 2016 12:55 PM
> >> To: The SEL email discussion list
> >> Subject: [SEL] Fwd: [AT] antifreeze
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> Begin forwarded message:
> >>>
> >>> From: John Hall <jtchall at nc.rr.com>
> >>> Subject: [AT] antifreeze
> >>> Date: December 1, 2016 at 8:18:28 PM EST
> >>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> >>> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> >>> Reply-To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> >>> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> >>>
> >>> For some of you guys it may be too late, but here's a reminder to check
> >>> your antifreeze. If you're like us you can't keep track of all the
> >>> repairs made over the last few months.  If all goes as scheduled, we're
> >>> going to check everything Sat. morning.
> >>>
> >>> John Hall
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> AT mailing list
> >>> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
> >> _______________________________________________
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From sluggo54 at hotmail.com  Fri Jan 13 09:20:19 2017
From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 17:20:19 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Weather
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1484326801.4984.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
References: <mailman.3.1484326801.4984.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <MWHPR17MB1261E6F20A342FCF19C34404CB780@MWHPR17MB1261.namprd17.prod.outlook.com>

Reg, the center of the US is preparing for a multi-state ice storm.



Bruce Younger
Sluggo54 at hotmail.com
I practice the art of
Klik Pao


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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 15:53:34 -0700
From: Jeff & Marja Allen <cwja at telus.net>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Spam> Re: Fwd: [AT] antifreeze
To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
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Hey Reg and all the other fair weather Old Engine Old Farts

Just could not resist a lurker response to your 37*C temperature. We had
last night that temperature in wind chill last night in reverse...note
the minus sign!  -37*C here in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada .   A bit
chilly, eh, mates.

Using gallons of antifreeze (cheap scotch) to protect self and one or
two engines,   Jeff Allen

On 2016-12-01 7:09 PM, Reg wrote:
> Ha! And us with 37*C here today!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave
> Sent: Friday, December 2, 2016 12:55 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: [SEL] Fwd: [AT] antifreeze
>
>
>
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>
>> From: John Hall <jtchall at nc.rr.com>
>> Subject: [AT] antifreeze
>> Date: December 1, 2016 at 8:18:28 PM EST
>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>> Reply-To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>
>> For some of you guys it may be too late, but here's a reminder to check
>> your antifreeze. If you're like us you can't keep track of all the
>> repairs made over the last few months.  If all goes as scheduled, we're
>> going to check everything Sat. morning.
>>
>> John Hall
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> AT mailing list
>> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 10:21:23 +1100
From: "Reg" <randmingold at hotkey.net.au>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Spam> Re: Fwd: [AT] antifreeze
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <3612F6077AC74C6F8E571BA4B0BCFC52 at REGPC>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
        reply-type=original

Ha! it was 47C near here two days back. We had 44C.  Another bad one today
is expected. Fire risk is crazy! (And the kids are on holidays so that
raises the risk even more!!)

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff & Marja Allen
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 9:53 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Spam> Re: Fwd: [AT] antifreeze

Hey Reg and all the other fair weather Old Engine Old Farts

Just could not resist a lurker response to your 37*C temperature. We had
last night that temperature in wind chill last night in reverse...note
the minus sign!  -37*C here in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada .   A bit
chilly, eh, mates.

Using gallons of antifreeze (cheap scotch) to protect self and one or
two engines,   Jeff Allen

On 2016-12-01 7:09 PM, Reg wrote:
> Ha! And us with 37*C here today!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave
> Sent: Friday, December 2, 2016 12:55 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: [SEL] Fwd: [AT] antifreeze
>
>
>
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>
>> From: John Hall <jtchall at nc.rr.com>
>> Subject: [AT] antifreeze
>> Date: December 1, 2016 at 8:18:28 PM EST
>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>> Reply-To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>
>> For some of you guys it may be too late, but here's a reminder to check
>> your antifreeze. If you're like us you can't keep track of all the
>> repairs made over the last few months.  If all goes as scheduled, we're
>> going to check everything Sat. morning.
>>
>> John Hall
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> AT mailing list
>> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
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Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 20:30:51 -0500
From: Glenn Wilson <wilson at stny.rr.com>
Subject: [SEL] Right or wrong?
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Has the antique engine craze faded?


------------------------------

Message: 4
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 13:07:16 +1100
From: Al Harris <al.harris at rustic-engines.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Spam> Re: Fwd: [AT] antifreeze
To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed

Being Friday the 13th couldn't make it any worse eh Reg?


On 13-Jan-17 10:21, Reg wrote:
> Ha! it was 47C near here two days back. We had 44C.  Another bad one today
> is expected. Fire risk is crazy! (And the kids are on holidays so that
> raises the risk even more!!)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff & Marja Allen
> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 9:53 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Spam> Re: Fwd: [AT] antifreeze
>
> Hey Reg and all the other fair weather Old Engine Old Farts
>
> Just could not resist a lurker response to your 37*C temperature. We had
> last night that temperature in wind chill last night in reverse...note
> the minus sign!  -37*C here in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada .   A bit
> chilly, eh, mates.
>
> Using gallons of antifreeze (cheap scotch) to protect self and one or
> two engines,   Jeff Allen
>
> On 2016-12-01 7:09 PM, Reg wrote:
>> Ha! And us with 37*C here today!
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Dave
>> Sent: Friday, December 2, 2016 12:55 PM
>> To: The SEL email discussion list
>> Subject: [SEL] Fwd: [AT] antifreeze
>>
>>
>>
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>
>>> From: John Hall <jtchall at nc.rr.com>
>>> Subject: [AT] antifreeze
>>> Date: December 1, 2016 at 8:18:28 PM EST
>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>> Reply-To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>>
>>> For some of you guys it may be too late, but here's a reminder to check
>>> your antifreeze. If you're like us you can't keep track of all the
>>> repairs made over the last few months.  If all goes as scheduled, we're
>>> going to check everything Sat. morning.
>>>
>>> John Hall
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> AT mailing list
>>> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 18:40:06 +1100
From: "Reg" <randmingold at hotkey.net.au>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Spam> Re: Fwd: [AT] antifreeze
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <9D3F6D10580347CCA6BBD1C4060FA48E at REGPC>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
        reply-type=original

Really, NOT funny here suffering it!!
I cannot  recall suffering these temps since arriving here 50+ years ago.
I just hope the power stays on!

-----Original Message-----
From: Al Harris
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 1:07 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Spam> Re: Fwd: [AT] antifreeze

Being Friday the 13th couldn't make it any worse eh Reg?


On 13-Jan-17 10:21, Reg wrote:
> Ha! it was 47C near here two days back. We had 44C.  Another bad one today
> is expected. Fire risk is crazy! (And the kids are on holidays so that
> raises the risk even more!!)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff & Marja Allen
> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 9:53 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Spam> Re: Fwd: [AT] antifreeze
>
> Hey Reg and all the other fair weather Old Engine Old Farts
>
> Just could not resist a lurker response to your 37*C temperature. We had
> last night that temperature in wind chill last night in reverse...note
> the minus sign!  -37*C here in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada .   A bit
> chilly, eh, mates.
>
> Using gallons of antifreeze (cheap scotch) to protect self and one or
> two engines,   Jeff Allen
>
> On 2016-12-01 7:09 PM, Reg wrote:
>> Ha! And us with 37*C here today!
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Dave
>> Sent: Friday, December 2, 2016 12:55 PM
>> To: The SEL email discussion list
>> Subject: [SEL] Fwd: [AT] antifreeze
>>
>>
>>
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>
>>> From: John Hall <jtchall at nc.rr.com>
>>> Subject: [AT] antifreeze
>>> Date: December 1, 2016 at 8:18:28 PM EST
>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>> Reply-To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>>
>>> For some of you guys it may be too late, but here's a reminder to check
>>> your antifreeze. If you're like us you can't keep track of all the
>>> repairs made over the last few months.  If all goes as scheduled, we're
>>> going to check everything Sat. morning.
>>>
>>> John Hall
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
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From al.harris at rustic-engines.com  Fri Jan 13 10:20:05 2017
From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2017 05:20:05 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Re: Fwd: [AT] antifreeze
In-Reply-To: <CAMuKiUB04DX6YBphSwq3XBem568mrduM1M8jYeVXgnpctbG_=A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <41a5f919-20c2-d0e7-3e3c-e718d691365c@nc.rr.com>
	<56DF94EC-C794-4B09-A4C6-60777DA424E3@me.com>
	<f33dc2ff-055c-0f86-5bd2-98bd851a239a@telus.net>
	<3612F6077AC74C6F8E571BA4B0BCFC52@REGPC>
	<e26af84b-6eca-886f-8f47-f129cda09147@rustic-engines.com>
	<9D3F6D10580347CCA6BBD1C4060FA48E@REGPC>
	<CAMuKiUB04DX6YBphSwq3XBem568mrduM1M8jYeVXgnpctbG_=A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a4f2f478-ac96-effc-bc40-b30587aedf2a@rustic-engines.com>

Paul: Oz had an inland sea once (see Lake Eyre). It keeps reminding us 
now and again by refilling.
> http://www.nma.gov.au/kspace/teachers/prehistoric/learning/sea

Reg: Gunna be hotter in the Northern Rivers today too. Stay hydrated and 
cool fella.

Al

On 14-Jan-17 04:07, STRAIGHT from SanFran wrote:
> I'm in California looking into flood insurance. The term 'river crossing'
> now means the river is crossing the highway.
>
> I shouldn't complain, I have a rental in Sacramento that now has a pool, or
> natural pond, in the back yard.
>
> Paul
>
> PS: If you want to see what Mother Nature can do, look up the California
> flood of 1862. Washington, Oregon, California, Nevada, Arizona, Idaho and
> other states were all inundated. Indian lore says the entire center of the
> state floods on occasion.
>
> On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 11:40 PM, Reg <randmingold at hotkey.net.au> wrote:
>
>> Really, NOT funny here suffering it!!
>> I cannot  recall suffering these temps since arriving here 50+ years ago.
>> I just hope the power stays on!
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Al Harris
>> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 1:07 PM
>> To: The SEL email discussion list
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Spam> Re: Fwd: [AT] antifreeze
>>
>> Being Friday the 13th couldn't make it any worse eh Reg?
>>
>>
>> On 13-Jan-17 10:21, Reg wrote:
>>> Ha! it was 47C near here two days back. We had 44C.  Another bad one
>> today
>>> is expected. Fire risk is crazy! (And the kids are on holidays so that
>>> raises the risk even more!!)
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Jeff & Marja Allen
>>> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 9:53 AM
>>> To: The SEL email discussion list
>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Spam> Re: Fwd: [AT] antifreeze
>>>
>>> Hey Reg and all the other fair weather Old Engine Old Farts
>>>
>>> Just could not resist a lurker response to your 37*C temperature. We had
>>> last night that temperature in wind chill last night in reverse...note
>>> the minus sign!  -37*C here in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada .   A bit
>>> chilly, eh, mates.
>>>
>>> Using gallons of antifreeze (cheap scotch) to protect self and one or
>>> two engines,   Jeff Allen
>>>
>>> On 2016-12-01 7:09 PM, Reg wrote:
>>>> Ha! And us with 37*C here today!
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Dave
>>>> Sent: Friday, December 2, 2016 12:55 PM
>>>> To: The SEL email discussion list
>>>> Subject: [SEL] Fwd: [AT] antifreeze
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>>>
>>>>> From: John Hall <jtchall at nc.rr.com>
>>>>> Subject: [AT] antifreeze
>>>>> Date: December 1, 2016 at 8:18:28 PM EST
>>>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>>>> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>>>> Reply-To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>>>> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>>>>
>>>>> For some of you guys it may be too late, but here's a reminder to check
>>>>> your antifreeze. If you're like us you can't keep track of all the
>>>>> repairs made over the last few months.  If all goes as scheduled, we're
>>>>> going to check everything Sat. morning.
>>>>>
>>>>> John Hall
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> AT mailing list
>>>>> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
>>>> _______________________________________________
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From andyglines at hotmail.com  Tue Jan 17 19:52:29 2017
From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2017 03:52:29 +0000
Subject: [SEL] LED shop lighting
Message-ID: <BN6PR11MB1297E588F75A774728939F6AC77F0@BN6PR11MB1297.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>

They make LED bulbs that fit in standard fluorescent light fixtures.  https://greenlightdepot.com/collections/led-tube-lights/products/4ft-t8-led-tube-light    It seems like a great idea.  Does anyone have experience with these?

[http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0931/8152/products/CE-frosted-clear_grande.jpeg?v=1465997043]<https://greenlightdepot.com/collections/led-tube-lights/products/4ft-t8-led-tube-light>

4ft 18W LED Linear Tube - (Bypass Tube)<https://greenlightdepot.com/collections/led-tube-lights/products/4ft-t8-led-tube-light>
greenlightdepot.com
Our T8 4 foot LED tubes is compatible with virtually every standard ballast equipped fluorescent light fixture, making it the perfect replacement for fluorescent lights.





From frank at lbpinc.com  Tue Jan 17 20:10:16 2017
From: frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 23:10:16 -0500
Subject: [SEL] LED shop lighting
In-Reply-To: <BN6PR11MB1297E588F75A774728939F6AC77F0@BN6PR11MB1297.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BN6PR11MB1297E588F75A774728939F6AC77F0@BN6PR11MB1297.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <7f1872fb-17d4-8549-ac95-b54816d1506e@lbpinc.com>

I retrofitted all the florescent light fixtures in my basement with LED 
bypass bulbs.  The bypass bulbs are cheaper but require removing the 
ballast and rewiring.  Most of my fixtures are ones I pulled out of the 
junk 20 to 40 years ago so rewiring was a good idea for me.  I am glad I 
did it.

Frank


On 1/17/2017 10:52 PM, Andy Glines wrote:
> They make LED bulbs that fit in standard fluorescent light fixtures.  https://greenlightdepot.com/collections/led-tube-lights/products/4ft-t8-led-tube-light    It seems like a great idea.  Does anyone have experience with these?
>
> [http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0931/8152/products/CE-frosted-clear_grande.jpeg?v=1465997043]<https://greenlightdepot.com/collections/led-tube-lights/products/4ft-t8-led-tube-light>
>
> 4ft 18W LED Linear Tube - (Bypass Tube)<https://greenlightdepot.com/collections/led-tube-lights/products/4ft-t8-led-tube-light>
> greenlightdepot.com
> Our T8 4 foot LED tubes is compatible with virtually every standard ballast equipped fluorescent light fixture, making it the perfect replacement for fluorescent lights.
>
>
>
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From jbcast at charter.net  Wed Jan 18 07:29:12 2017
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2017 08:29:12 -0700
Subject: [SEL] LED shop lighting
Message-ID: <ZrVC1u0042w555801rVC0T@charter.net>



	-----------------------------------------

	From: "Frank DeWitt" 
To: "The SEL email discussion list"
Cc: 
Sent: 18-Jan-2017 04:13:43 +0000
Subject: Re: [SEL] LED shop lighting

	I converted all of the 4' in my office to LED, converting the 8' in
the shop as they fail. The office is brighter, instant on in all
weather, happy so far.

	J.B. Castagnos

 I retrofitted all the florescent light fixtures in my basement with
LED 
 bypass bulbs. The bypass bulbs are cheaper but require removing the 
 ballast and rewiring. Most of my fixtures are ones I pulled out of
the 
 junk 20 to 40 years ago so rewiring was a good idea for me. I am glad
I 
 did it.

 Frank

 On 1/17/2017 10:52 PM, Andy Glines wrote:
 > They make LED bulbs that fit in standard fluorescent light
fixtures.
https://greenlightdepot.com/collections/led-tube-lights/products/4ft-t8-led-tube-light
[1] It seems like a great idea. Does anyone have experience with
these?
 >
 > 
https://greenlightdepot.com/collections/led-tube-lights/products/4ft-t8-led-tube-light>
 /> > greenlightdepot.com
 > Our T8 4 foot LED tubes is compatible with virtually every standard
ballast equipped fluorescent light fixture, making it the perfect
replacement for fluorescent lights.
 >
 >
 >
 > _______________________________________________
 > SEL mailing list
 > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
 >  
 _______________________________________________
 SEL mailing list
 SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
 

Links:
------
[1]
https://greenlightdepot.com/collections/led-tube-lights/products/4ft-t8-led-tube-light



From rotigel at me.com  Wed Jan 18 10:33:22 2017
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2017 13:33:22 -0500
Subject: [SEL] LED shop lighting
In-Reply-To: <ZrVC1u0042w555801rVC0T@charter.net>
References: <ZrVC1u0042w555801rVC0T@charter.net>
Message-ID: <B744A8A6-8250-4A4E-8F15-8A9F41F74AA2@me.com>

I made that change in the ?tray lighting? in my living-room here in FL last year. Like it VERY much!
	Dave

> On Jan 18, 2017, at 10:29 AM, jbcast at charter.net wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 	-----------------------------------------
> 
> 	From: "Frank DeWitt" 
> To: "The SEL email discussion list"
> Cc: 
> Sent: 18-Jan-2017 04:13:43 +0000
> Subject: Re: [SEL] LED shop lighting
> 
> 	I converted all of the 4' in my office to LED, converting the 8' in
> the shop as they fail. The office is brighter, instant on in all
> weather, happy so far.
> 
> 	J.B. Castagnos
> 
> I retrofitted all the florescent light fixtures in my basement with
> LED 
> bypass bulbs. The bypass bulbs are cheaper but require removing the 
> ballast and rewiring. Most of my fixtures are ones I pulled out of
> the 
> junk 20 to 40 years ago so rewiring was a good idea for me. I am glad
> I 
> did it.
> 
> Frank
> 
> On 1/17/2017 10:52 PM, Andy Glines wrote:
>> They make LED bulbs that fit in standard fluorescent light
> fixtures.
> https://greenlightdepot.com/collections/led-tube-lights/products/4ft-t8-led-tube-light
> [1] It seems like a great idea. Does anyone have experience with
> these?
>> 
>> 
> https://greenlightdepot.com/collections/led-tube-lights/products/4ft-t8-led-tube-light>
> /> > greenlightdepot.com
>> Our T8 4 foot LED tubes is compatible with virtually every standard
> ballast equipped fluorescent light fixture, making it the perfect
> replacement for fluorescent lights.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
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>> 
> _______________________________________________
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> 
> 
> Links:
> ------
> [1]
> https://greenlightdepot.com/collections/led-tube-lights/products/4ft-t8-led-tube-light
> 
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From mr at carolina.rr.com  Wed Jan 18 19:44:01 2017
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2017 22:44:01 -0500
Subject: [SEL] LED shop lighting
In-Reply-To: <7f1872fb-17d4-8549-ac95-b54816d1506e@lbpinc.com>
References: <BN6PR11MB1297E588F75A774728939F6AC77F0@BN6PR11MB1297.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
	<7f1872fb-17d4-8549-ac95-b54816d1506e@lbpinc.com>
Message-ID: <651F8EC1BEFC495DBDDF36A08201CE31@RoysterPC>

I did some tonight, left the old ballast in the fixture but bypassed it.

Mike


-----Original Message----- 
From: Frank DeWitt
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 11:10 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] LED shop lighting

I retrofitted all the florescent light fixtures in my basement with LED
bypass bulbs.  The bypass bulbs are cheaper but require removing the
ballast and rewiring.  Most of my fixtures are ones I pulled out of the
junk 20 to 40 years ago so rewiring was a good idea for me.  I am glad I
did it.

Frank


On 1/17/2017 10:52 PM, Andy Glines wrote:
> They make LED bulbs that fit in standard fluorescent light fixtures. 
> https://greenlightdepot.com/collections/led-tube-lights/products/4ft-t8-led-tube-light 
> It seems like a great idea.  Does anyone have experience with these?
>
> [http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0931/8152/products/CE-frosted-clear_grande.jpeg?v=1465997043]<https://greenlightdepot.com/collections/led-tube-lights/products/4ft-t8-led-tube-light>
>
> 4ft 18W LED Linear Tube - (Bypass 
> Tube)<https://greenlightdepot.com/collections/led-tube-lights/products/4ft-t8-led-tube-light>
> greenlightdepot.com
> Our T8 4 foot LED tubes is compatible with virtually every standard 
> ballast equipped fluorescent light fixture, making it the perfect 
> replacement for fluorescent lights.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>

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    Mechanical Design      |  Phone:  585 624 3052
    LBP  INC.              |
    2365 Cox Rd.           |
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From andyglines at hotmail.com  Thu Jan 19 07:03:05 2017
From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 15:03:05 +0000
Subject: [SEL] LED shop lighting
Message-ID: <CY4PR11MB1304854FFC5C1A6469682D7CC77E0@CY4PR11MB1304.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>

Thanks for the replies.  It looks like you guys had positive experiences so I'm going to try them out.


From fero_ah at verizon.net  Thu Jan 19 08:14:49 2017
From: fero_ah at verizon.net (Arnie Fero)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 10:14:49 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [SEL] LED shop lighting
Message-ID: <1635132723.3158.1484842489575.JavaMail.root@vznit170074.mailsrvcs.net>

I'm one of those guys who thinks a flashlight is complicated electrical gear.

Can someone provide a "For Dummies" description of what's involved in doing this
conversion?  It sure sounds like something I want to do in the game room and
the shop / garage.

Thanks!

Arnie


Jan 18, 2017 10:58:42 PM, sel at lists.stationary-engine.com wrote:

===========================================

I did some tonight, left the old ballast in the fixture but bypassed it.

Mike


-----Original Message----- 
From: Frank DeWitt
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 11:10 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] LED shop lighting

I retrofitted all the florescent light fixtures in my basement with LED
bypass bulbs.  The bypass bulbs are cheaper but require removing the
ballast and rewiring.  Most of my fixtures are ones I pulled out of the
junk 20 to 40 years ago so rewiring was a good idea for me.  I am glad I
did it.

Frank


On 1/17/2017 10:52 PM, Andy Glines wrote:
> They make LED bulbs that fit in standard fluorescent light fixtures. 
> https://greenlightdepot.com/collections/led-tube-lights/products/4ft-t8-led-tube-light 
> It seems like a great idea.  Does anyone have experience with these?
>
> [http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0931/8152/products/CE-frosted-clear_grande.jpeg?v=1465997043]
>
> 4ft 18W LED Linear Tube - (Bypass 
> Tube)
> greenlightdepot.com
> Our T8 4 foot LED tubes is compatible with virtually every standard 
> ballast equipped fluorescent light fixture, making it the perfect 
> replacement for fluorescent lights.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>

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--------------
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FOLLOWING BIBLICAL PRINCIPLES

    Frank DeWitt           |  mailto:frank at lbpinc.com
    Mechanical Design      |  Phone:  585 624 3052
    LBP  INC.              |
    2365 Cox Rd.           |
    Bloomfield NY 14469    |Web  http://www.lbpinc.com/

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From rotigel at me.com  Thu Jan 19 08:45:51 2017
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 11:45:51 -0500
Subject: [SEL] LED shop lighting
In-Reply-To: <1635132723.3158.1484842489575.JavaMail.root@vznit170074.mailsrvcs.net>
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Hi Arnie, See: http://www.homepower.com/articles/home-efficiency/electricity/changing-fluorescent-tubes-leds <http://www.homepower.com/articles/home-efficiency/electricity/changing-fluorescent-tubes-leds> and https://video.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?fr=sfp&hsimp=yhs-001&hspart=rotz&p=converting+florcent+to+led#id=3&vid=1062a7bb7c68d6c749f0f3cfb8210761&action=click <https://video.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?fr=sfp&hsimp=yhs-001&hspart=rotz&p=converting+florcent+to+led#id=3&vid=1062a7bb7c68d6c749f0f3cfb8210761&action=click> and even https://search.yahoo.com/yhs/search;_ylt=A0LEVr4F64BYb.AAvZel87UF;_ylc=X1MDOTU4MTA0NjkEX3IDMgRmcgN5aHMtcm90ei0wMDEEZ3ByaWQDVDRGLk8uR2lUU1dkWU1BUUYzLjFtQQRuX3JzbHQDMARuX3N1Z2cDOARvcmlnaW4DdXMuc2VhcmNoLnlhaG9vLmNvbQRwb3MDMARwcXN0cgMEcHFzdHJsAwRxc3RybAMzMgRxdWVyeQNjb252ZXJ0aW5nJTIwZmxvcmNlbnQlMjB0byUyMGxlZAR0X3N0bXADMTQ4NDg0MzgwMw--?p=converting+florcent+to+led&fr=sfp&fr2=sb-top-us.search&type=mdru232bae418d5c26310d4a&hspart=rotz&hsimp=yhs-001&param1=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%3D&param2=&param3=&param4=&iscqry= <https://search.yahoo.com/yhs/search;_ylt=A0LEVr4F64BYb.AAvZel87UF;_ylc=X1MDOTU4MTA0NjkEX3IDMgRmcgN5aHMtcm90ei0wMDEEZ3ByaWQDVDRGLk8uR2lUU1dkWU1BUUYzLjFtQQRuX3JzbHQDMARuX3N1Z2cDOARvcmlnaW4DdXMuc2VhcmNoLnlhaG9vLmNvbQRwb3MDMARwcXN0cgMEcHFzdHJsAwRxc3RybAMzMgRxdWVyeQNjb252ZXJ0aW5nJTIwZmxvcmNlbnQlMjB0byUyMGxlZAR0X3N0bXADMTQ4NDg0MzgwMw--?p=converting+florcent+to+led&fr=sfp&fr2=sb-top-us.search&type=mdru232bae418d5c26310d4a&hspart=rotz&hsimp=yhs-001&param1=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&param2=&param3=&param4=&iscqry=> for lots more.
	Dave

> On Jan 19, 2017, at 11:14 AM, Arnie Fero <fero_ah at verizon.net> wrote:
> 
> I'm one of those guys who thinks a flashlight is complicated electrical gear.
> 
> Can someone provide a "For Dummies" description of what's involved in doing this
> conversion?  It sure sounds like something I want to do in the game room and
> the shop / garage.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Arnie
> 
> 
> Jan 18, 2017 10:58:42 PM, sel at lists.stationary-engine.com wrote:
> 
> ===========================================
> 
> I did some tonight, left the old ballast in the fixture but bypassed it.
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Frank DeWitt
> Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 11:10 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] LED shop lighting
> 
> I retrofitted all the florescent light fixtures in my basement with LED
> bypass bulbs.  The bypass bulbs are cheaper but require removing the
> ballast and rewiring.  Most of my fixtures are ones I pulled out of the
> junk 20 to 40 years ago so rewiring was a good idea for me.  I am glad I
> did it.
> 
> Frank
> 
> 
> On 1/17/2017 10:52 PM, Andy Glines wrote:
>> They make LED bulbs that fit in standard fluorescent light fixtures. 
>> https://greenlightdepot.com/collections/led-tube-lights/products/4ft-t8-led-tube-light 
>> It seems like a great idea.  Does anyone have experience with these?
>> 
>> [http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0931/8152/products/CE-frosted-clear_grande.jpeg?v=1465997043]
>> 
>> 4ft 18W LED Linear Tube - (Bypass 
>> Tube)
>> greenlightdepot.com
>> Our T8 4 foot LED tubes is compatible with virtually every standard 
>> ballast equipped fluorescent light fixture, making it the perfect 
>> replacement for fluorescent lights.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>> 
> 
> -- 
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> GROW PROFITABLE
> FOLLOWING BIBLICAL PRINCIPLES
> 
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>    Mechanical Design      |  Phone:  585 624 3052
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From frank at lbpinc.com  Thu Jan 19 09:51:58 2017
From: frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 12:51:58 -0500
Subject: [SEL] LED shop lighting
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Short version
Remove everything from the fixture except the sockets at the ends and 
the wires to them.
Run a power cord into the fixture and connect one power cord wire to one 
or both the pins on one end of the fixture.
connect the other wire to one or both the pins on the other end of the 
fixture.
BUT THE RIGHT BULB
One with this diagram



On 1/19/2017 11:14 AM, Arnie Fero wrote:
> I'm one of those guys who thinks a flashlight is complicated electrical gear.
>
> Can someone provide a "For Dummies" description of what's involved in doing this
> conversion?  It sure sounds like something I want to do in the game room and
> the shop / garage.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Arnie
>
>
> Jan 18, 2017 10:58:42 PM, sel at lists.stationary-engine.com wrote:
>
> ===========================================
>
> I did some tonight, left the old ballast in the fixture but bypassed it.
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Frank DeWitt
> Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 11:10 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] LED shop lighting
>
> I retrofitted all the florescent light fixtures in my basement with LED
> bypass bulbs.  The bypass bulbs are cheaper but require removing the
> ballast and rewiring.  Most of my fixtures are ones I pulled out of the
> junk 20 to 40 years ago so rewiring was a good idea for me.  I am glad I
> did it.
>
> Frank
>
>
> On 1/17/2017 10:52 PM, Andy Glines wrote:
>> They make LED bulbs that fit in standard fluorescent light fixtures.
>> https://greenlightdepot.com/collections/led-tube-lights/products/4ft-t8-led-tube-light
>> It seems like a great idea.  Does anyone have experience with these?
>>
>> [http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0931/8152/products/CE-frosted-clear_grande.jpeg?v=1465997043]
>>
>> 4ft 18W LED Linear Tube - (Bypass
>> Tube)
>> greenlightdepot.com
>> Our T8 4 foot LED tubes is compatible with virtually every standard
>> ballast equipped fluorescent light fixture, making it the perfect
>> replacement for fluorescent lights.
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>

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--------------
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SERVE PEOPLE
DEVELOP EXCELLENCE
GROW PROFITABLE
FOLLOWING BIBLICAL PRINCIPLES

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    2365 Cox Rd.           |
    Bloomfield NY 14469    |Web  http://www.lbpinc.com/



From enginepaul at gmail.com  Thu Jan 19 10:30:44 2017
From: enginepaul at gmail.com (STRAIGHT from SanFran)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 10:30:44 -0800
Subject: [SEL] LED shop lighting
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Damn Dave!

I replaced the entire unit when I swapped an old one for an elderly friend
and it was simple. Nothing to read, and not that expensive.

Arnie: May I suggest you just tell a younger friend that you are too old to
do it yourself and are afraid of falling off a ladder? Mention that you are
on Social Security and he might even pay for it too.

Paul



On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 8:45 AM, Dave <rotigel at me.com> wrote:

> Hi Arnie, See: http://www.homepower.com/articles/home-efficiency/
> electricity/changing-fluorescent-tubes-leds <http://www.homepower.com/
> articles/home-efficiency/electricity/changing-fluorescent-tubes-leds> and
> https://video.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?fr=sfp&hsimp=
> yhs-001&hspart=rotz&p=converting+florcent+to+led#id=3&vid=
> 1062a7bb7c68d6c749f0f3cfb8210761&action=click <https://video.search.yahoo.
> com/yhs/search?fr=sfp&hsimp=yhs-001&hspart=rotz&p=
> converting+florcent+to+led#id=3&vid=1062a7bb7c68d6c749f0f3cfb82107
> 61&action=click> and even https://search.yahoo.com/yhs/
> search;_ylt=A0LEVr4F64BYb.AAvZel87UF;_ylc=X1MDOTU4MTA0NjkEX3IDMgRmcgN5aH
> Mtcm90ei0wMDEEZ3ByaWQDVDRGLk8uR2lUU1dkWU1BUUYzLjFtQQRuX3JzbH
> QDMARuX3N1Z2cDOARvcmlnaW4DdXMuc2VhcmNoLnlhaG9vLmNvbQRwb3MDMA
> RwcXN0cgMEcHFzdHJsAwRxc3RybAMzMgRxdWVyeQNjb252ZXJ0aW5nJTIwZm
> xvcmNlbnQlMjB0byUyMGxlZAR0X3N0bXADMTQ4NDg0MzgwMw--?p=
> converting+florcent+to+led&fr=sfp&fr2=sb-top-us.search&type=
> mdru232bae418d5c26310d4a&hspart=rotz&hsimp=yhs-001&param1!
>  =ArFaIWRoNqArQGMVJ7sby78oQGR7B7NoN9IEFbFbMmZoN9IgB7seAT0bQGR7
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> ICILNFRbDqUDNEJcFaULvmFoNqAqxrFaIWp4Mqt8MWRaMrFbMnVoN9IgASQu
> x81cM81dNo0gB6ouzD4awTcgwSQ5CaV7CaV%3D&param2=&param3=&param4=&iscqry= <
> https://search.yahoo.com/yhs/search;_ylt=A0LEVr4F64BYb.AAvZel87UF;_ylc=
> X1MDOTU4MTA0NjkEX3IDMgRmcgN5aHMtcm90ei0wMDEEZ3ByaWQDVDRGLk8u
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> bXADMTQ4NDg0MzgwMw--?p=converting+florcent+to+led&fr=
> sfp&fr2=sb-top-us.search&type=mdru232bae418d5c26310d4a&hspart=rotz&hsim!
>  p=yhs-001&param1=ArFaIWRoNqArQGMVJ7sby78oQGR7B7
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> V7CaV=&param2=&param3=&param4=&iscqry=> for lots more.
>         Dave
>
> > On Jan 19, 2017, at 11:14 AM, Arnie Fero <fero_ah at verizon.net> wrote:
> >
> > I'm one of those guys who thinks a flashlight is complicated electrical
> gear.
> >
> > Can someone provide a "For Dummies" description of what's involved in
> doing this
> > conversion?  It sure sounds like something I want to do in the game room
> and
> > the shop / garage.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Arnie
> >
> >
> > Jan 18, 2017 10:58:42 PM, sel at lists.stationary-engine.com wrote:
> >
> > ===========================================
> >
> > I did some tonight, left the old ballast in the fixture but bypassed it.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Frank DeWitt
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 11:10 PM
> > To: The SEL email discussion list
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] LED shop lighting
> >
> > I retrofitted all the florescent light fixtures in my basement with LED
> > bypass bulbs.  The bypass bulbs are cheaper but require removing the
> > ballast and rewiring.  Most of my fixtures are ones I pulled out of the
> > junk 20 to 40 years ago so rewiring was a good idea for me.  I am glad I
> > did it.
> >
> > Frank
> >
> >
> > On 1/17/2017 10:52 PM, Andy Glines wrote:
> >> They make LED bulbs that fit in standard fluorescent light fixtures.
> >> https://greenlightdepot.com/collections/led-tube-lights/
> products/4ft-t8-led-tube-light
> >> It seems like a great idea.  Does anyone have experience with these?
> >>
> >> [http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0931/8152/products/CE-
> frosted-clear_grande.jpeg?v=1465997043]
> >>
> >> 4ft 18W LED Linear Tube - (Bypass
> >> Tube)
> >> greenlightdepot.com
> >> Our T8 4 foot LED tubes is compatible with virtually every standard
> >> ballast equipped fluorescent light fixture, making it the perfect
> >> replacement for fluorescent lights.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> SEL mailing list
> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >>
> >
> > --
> > --------------
> > HONOR GOD
> > SERVE PEOPLE
> > DEVELOP EXCELLENCE
> > GROW PROFITABLE
> > FOLLOWING BIBLICAL PRINCIPLES
> >
> >    Frank DeWitt           |  mailto:frank at lbpinc.com
> >    Mechanical Design      |  Phone:  585 624 3052
> >    LBP  INC.              |
> >    2365 Cox Rd.           |
> >    Bloomfield NY 14469    |Web  http://www.lbpinc.com/
> >
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> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
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> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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>
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From rfinksr at verizon.net  Thu Jan 19 11:37:22 2017
From: rfinksr at verizon.net (Richard Fink Sr)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 14:37:22 -0500
Subject: [SEL] LED shop lighting
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That short version is about as clear as muddy water as pappy would say

R Fink Sr

PA


On 1/19/2017 12:51 PM, Frank DeWitt wrote:
> Short version
> Remove everything from the fixture except the sockets at the ends and
> the wires to them.
> Run a power cord into the fixture and connect one power cord wire to one
> or both the pins on one end of the fixture.
> connect the other wire to one or both the pins on the other end of the
> fixture.
> BUT THE RIGHT BULB
> One with this diagram
>
>
>
> On 1/19/2017 11:14 AM, Arnie Fero wrote:
>> I'm one of those guys who thinks a flashlight is complicated electrical gear.
>>
>> Can someone provide a "For Dummies" description of what's involved in doing this
>> conversion?  It sure sounds like something I want to do in the game room and
>> the shop / garage.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Arnie
>>
>>
>> Jan 18, 2017 10:58:42 PM, sel at lists.stationary-engine.com wrote:
>>
>> ===========================================
>>
>> I did some tonight, left the old ballast in the fixture but bypassed it.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Frank DeWitt
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 11:10 PM
>> To: The SEL email discussion list
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] LED shop lighting
>>
>> I retrofitted all the florescent light fixtures in my basement with LED
>> bypass bulbs.  The bypass bulbs are cheaper but require removing the
>> ballast and rewiring.  Most of my fixtures are ones I pulled out of the
>> junk 20 to 40 years ago so rewiring was a good idea for me.  I am glad I
>> did it.
>>
>> Frank
>>
>>
>> On 1/17/2017 10:52 PM, Andy Glines wrote:
>>> They make LED bulbs that fit in standard fluorescent light fixtures.
>>> https://greenlightdepot.com/collections/led-tube-lights/products/4ft-t8-led-tube-light
>>> It seems like a great idea.  Does anyone have experience with these?
>>>
>>> [http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0931/8152/products/CE-frosted-clear_grande.jpeg?v=1465997043]
>>>
>>> 4ft 18W LED Linear Tube - (Bypass
>>> Tube)
>>> greenlightdepot.com
>>> Our T8 4 foot LED tubes is compatible with virtually every standard
>>> ballast equipped fluorescent light fixture, making it the perfect
>>> replacement for fluorescent lights.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SEL mailing list
>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>


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From frank at lbpinc.com  Thu Jan 19 12:29:21 2017
From: frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 15:29:21 -0500
Subject: [SEL] LED shop lighting
In-Reply-To: <c7f2aa84-2553-cd0f-2425-860b22730dfb@verizon.net>
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Let it set for a while, It will clear up.

Arnie  Bring some fixtures to Coolsprings and I will rewire them.  One 
beer per fixture.

Frank


On 1/19/2017 2:37 PM, Richard Fink Sr wrote:
> That short version is about as clear as muddy water as pappy would say
>
> R Fink Sr
>
> PA
>
>
> On 1/19/2017 12:51 PM, Frank DeWitt wrote:
>> Short version
>> Remove everything from the fixture except the sockets at the ends and
>> the wires to them.
>> Run a power cord into the fixture and connect one power cord wire to one
>> or both the pins on one end of the fixture.
>> connect the other wire to one or both the pins on the other end of the
>> fixture.
>> BUT THE RIGHT BULB
>> One with this diagram
>>
>>
>>
>> On 1/19/2017 11:14 AM, Arnie Fero wrote:
>>> I'm one of those guys who thinks a flashlight is complicated electrical gear.
>>>
>>> Can someone provide a "For Dummies" description of what's involved in doing this
>>> conversion?  It sure sounds like something I want to do in the game room and
>>> the shop / garage.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Arnie
>>>
>>>
>>> Jan 18, 2017 10:58:42 PM, sel at lists.stationary-engine.com wrote:
>>>
>>> ===========================================
>>>
>>> I did some tonight, left the old ballast in the fixture but bypassed it.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Frank DeWitt
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 11:10 PM
>>> To: The SEL email discussion list
>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] LED shop lighting
>>>
>>> I retrofitted all the florescent light fixtures in my basement with LED
>>> bypass bulbs.  The bypass bulbs are cheaper but require removing the
>>> ballast and rewiring.  Most of my fixtures are ones I pulled out of the
>>> junk 20 to 40 years ago so rewiring was a good idea for me.  I am glad I
>>> did it.
>>>
>>> Frank
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1/17/2017 10:52 PM, Andy Glines wrote:
>>>> They make LED bulbs that fit in standard fluorescent light fixtures.
>>>> https://greenlightdepot.com/collections/led-tube-lights/products/4ft-t8-led-tube-light
>>>> It seems like a great idea.  Does anyone have experience with these?
>>>>
>>>> [http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0931/8152/products/CE-frosted-clear_grande.jpeg?v=1465997043]
>>>>
>>>> 4ft 18W LED Linear Tube - (Bypass
>>>> Tube)
>>>> greenlightdepot.com
>>>> Our T8 4 foot LED tubes is compatible with virtually every standard
>>>> ballast equipped fluorescent light fixture, making it the perfect
>>>> replacement for fluorescent lights.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> SEL mailing list
>>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>>
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From rfinksr at verizon.net  Thu Jan 19 12:57:21 2017
From: rfinksr at verizon.net (Richard Fink Sr)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 15:57:21 -0500
Subject: [SEL] LED shop lighting
In-Reply-To: <5a1780eb-d63d-4122-c26e-f5fddcf8015e@lbpinc.com>
References: <1635132723.3158.1484842489575.JavaMail.root@vznit170074.mailsrvcs.net>
	<04084003-4895-acbc-49ef-9ad369b3c765@lbpinc.com>
	<c7f2aa84-2553-cd0f-2425-860b22730dfb@verizon.net>
	<5a1780eb-d63d-4122-c26e-f5fddcf8015e@lbpinc.com>
Message-ID: <9cb0e4c3-61c0-8575-9a0f-48b17677830f@verizon.net>

Right you are Frank

R Fink Sr

PA


On 1/19/2017 3:29 PM, Frank DeWitt wrote:
> Let it set for a while, It will clear up.
>
> Arnie  Bring some fixtures to Coolsprings and I will rewire them.  One
> beer per fixture.
>
> Frank
>
>
> On 1/19/2017 2:37 PM, Richard Fink Sr wrote:
>> That short version is about as clear as muddy water as pappy would say
>>
>> R Fink Sr
>>
>> PA
>>
>>
>> On 1/19/2017 12:51 PM, Frank DeWitt wrote:
>>> Short version
>>> Remove everything from the fixture except the sockets at the ends and
>>> the wires to them.
>>> Run a power cord into the fixture and connect one power cord wire to one
>>> or both the pins on one end of the fixture.
>>> connect the other wire to one or both the pins on the other end of the
>>> fixture.
>>> BUT THE RIGHT BULB
>>> One with this diagram
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1/19/2017 11:14 AM, Arnie Fero wrote:
>>>> I'm one of those guys who thinks a flashlight is complicated electrical gear.
>>>>
>>>> Can someone provide a "For Dummies" description of what's involved in doing this
>>>> conversion?  It sure sounds like something I want to do in the game room and
>>>> the shop / garage.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>>
>>>> Arnie
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jan 18, 2017 10:58:42 PM, sel at lists.stationary-engine.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ===========================================
>>>>
>>>> I did some tonight, left the old ballast in the fixture but bypassed it.
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Frank DeWitt
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 11:10 PM
>>>> To: The SEL email discussion list
>>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] LED shop lighting
>>>>
>>>> I retrofitted all the florescent light fixtures in my basement with LED
>>>> bypass bulbs.  The bypass bulbs are cheaper but require removing the
>>>> ballast and rewiring.  Most of my fixtures are ones I pulled out of the
>>>> junk 20 to 40 years ago so rewiring was a good idea for me.  I am glad I
>>>> did it.
>>>>
>>>> Frank
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 1/17/2017 10:52 PM, Andy Glines wrote:
>>>>> They make LED bulbs that fit in standard fluorescent light fixtures.
>>>>> https://greenlightdepot.com/collections/led-tube-lights/products/4ft-t8-led-tube-light
>>>>> It seems like a great idea.  Does anyone have experience with these?
>>>>>
>>>>> [http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0931/8152/products/CE-frosted-clear_grande.jpeg?v=1465997043]
>>>>>
>>>>> 4ft 18W LED Linear Tube - (Bypass
>>>>> Tube)
>>>>> greenlightdepot.com
>>>>> Our T8 4 foot LED tubes is compatible with virtually every standard
>>>>> ballast equipped fluorescent light fixture, making it the perfect
>>>>> replacement for fluorescent lights.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> SEL mailing list
>>>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>>>
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From rotigel at me.com  Fri Jan 20 09:32:44 2017
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 12:32:44 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Life Is Good!
Message-ID: <05C8C75A-EB46-41A4-BB6D-13FB5BF6DF08@me.com>

That?s all, LIFE IS GOOD!
	Dave




From frank at lbpinc.com  Sat Jan 21 10:07:03 2017
From: frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2017 13:07:03 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Antique log splitter
In-Reply-To: <04084003-4895-acbc-49ef-9ad369b3c765@lbpinc.com>
References: <1635132723.3158.1484842489575.JavaMail.root@vznit170074.mailsrvcs.net>
	<04084003-4895-acbc-49ef-9ad369b3c765@lbpinc.com>
Message-ID: <b2f07a89-9848-25ae-98de-5084b69de8d6@lbpinc.com>

I don't think you have seen one like this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=514&v=AnyZSDkkVT0



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    LBP  INC.              |
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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Sat Jan 21 13:37:15 2017
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2017 13:37:15 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Fork lift parts
Message-ID: <AABNJHXGVAHXSTF2@smtpout02.vgs.untd.com>

Hi all.
I broke the axle on my Hyster RT 150 fork lift.  To keep this on topic, I
use it when working on my old engines and tractors.  This was made in the
50's and is powered by an IH Greendiamond 233 engine.  I was trying to
push the forks under a three cylinder Hicks marine engine setting on
dirt.  Dumped the clutch and bang, the drive shaft turned but I didn't
move.  The axle has:  9459 A34 58662 H and a circle with IH stamped also.
 It is 37" long, with 16 splines that are 2.580" long and 1.815" in
diameter.  The rest of the axle is 1.590" in diameter.  The flange is
6.250" in diameter and .3875 thick, with 6 holes for the securing studs
to go through.  The holes are .500" and it has two 1/2 x13 threaded holes
for jack bolts and weighs 22.5 lbs.
I have found one for $375 plus about 10% tax, I thought this was a little
much as I am cheap.  Does anyone on the list have one in their bone pile
or know where I could find one at a better price. I was told shipping on
something like this should be $35 to $40.
Thanks.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
https://plus.google.com/104862591013550196821/posts
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From jbcast at charter.net  Sat Jan 21 14:46:13 2017
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2017 15:46:13 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Fork lift parts
Message-ID: <bAmE1u0011We6P001AmE0a@charter.net>

Would it be possible to weld it? They weld axles for race cars. I
would bevel 

	both ends and weld it together, I have a lathe I would put it in to
be sure it was true. If you happen to find a longer axle cut a hole in
the flange, slide it through, weld the axle to it. We used to race in
the 60s, 55 Chevy with a Pontiac rear end. We would paint a stripe on
the axle, change it when it twisted 180 degrees.

	J.B. Castagnos 

	-----------------------------------------From: rdhaskell at juno.com
To: 
Cc: 
Sent: 21-Jan-2017 21:43:35 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Fork lift parts

 Hi all.
 I broke the axle on my Hyster RT 150 fork lift. To keep this on
topic, I
 use it when working on my old engines and tractors. This was made in
the
 50's and is powered by an IH Greendiamond 233 engine. I was trying to
 push the forks under a three cylinder Hicks marine engine setting on
 dirt. Dumped the clutch and bang, the drive shaft turned but I didn't
 move. The axle has: 9459 A34 58662 H and a circle with IH stamped
also.
 It is 37" long, with 16 splines that are 2.580" long and 1.815" in
 diameter. The rest of the axle is 1.590" in diameter. The flange is
 6.250" in diameter and .3875 thick, with 6 holes for the securing
studs
 to go through. The holes are .500" and it has two 1/2 x13 threaded
holes
 for jack bolts and weighs 22.5 lbs.
 I have found one for $375 plus about 10% tax, I thought this was a
little
 much as I am cheap. Does anyone on the list have one in their bone
pile
 or know where I could find one at a better price. I was told shipping
on
 something like this should be $35 to $40.
 Thanks.

 Ron Haskell
 rdhaskell at juno.com
 Riverside, California USA



From rdhaskell at juno.com  Sat Jan 21 15:16:21 2017
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2017 15:16:21 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Fork lift parts
Message-ID: <AABNJH5A9AF7PQ3S@smtpout51.vgs.untd.com>

I thought about welding it, the break was old, about 1/4 was rusty and
there was a crack going for 3", and you could see where it had worked and
oil had squeezed out and left a ridge.  What rod would you use?
Ron
On Sat, 21 Jan 2017 15:46:13 -0700 jbcast at charter.net writes:
> Would it be possible to weld it? They weld axles for race cars. I
> would bevel 
> 
>         both ends and weld it together, I have a lathe I would put 
> it in to
> be sure it was true. If you happen to find a longer axle cut a hole 
> in
> the flange, slide it through, weld the axle to it. We used to race 
> in
> the 60s, 55 Chevy with a Pontiac rear end. We would paint a stripe 
> on
> the axle, change it when it twisted 180 degrees.
> 
>         J.B. Castagnos 
> 



From jnyost at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 23 08:03:26 2017
From: jnyost at yahoo.com (Jim Yost)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 11:03:26 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Coolsprings show
Message-ID: <834945DB-7161-4CFB-9C03-E4285FB55FB7@yahoo.com>

What's the dates? Also I haven't been there in years. Who do I contact about rv camping?

Sent from my iPhone
Jim



From jtstraka at roadrunner.com  Mon Jan 23 08:58:30 2017
From: jtstraka at roadrunner.com (TED)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 11:58:30 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Re:  Coolsprings show
In-Reply-To: <834945DB-7161-4CFB-9C03-E4285FB55FB7@yahoo.com>
References: <834945DB-7161-4CFB-9C03-E4285FB55FB7@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1a2ba46b-cf2c-1814-46a9-682b9284b0d0@roadrunner.com>

Jake Faith 724 295 4643


On 1/23/2017 11:03 AM, Jim Yost wrote:
> What's the dates? Also I haven't been there in years. Who do I contact about rv camping?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> Jim
>
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>



From frappi at wcoil.com  Mon Jan 23 09:55:01 2017
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 12:55:01 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Re:  Coolsprings show
In-Reply-To: <834945DB-7161-4CFB-9C03-E4285FB55FB7@yahoo.com>
References: <834945DB-7161-4CFB-9C03-E4285FB55FB7@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20170123175504.CF4CC80D6@smtp.wcoil.com>

https://www.facebook.com/groups/coolspringpowermuseum/

At 11:03 AM 1/23/2017, you wrote:
>What's the dates? Also I haven't been there in years. Who do I 
>contact about rv camping?
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>Jim
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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Mark Shulaw
454 County Road 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817
USA
Galations 3:27-29

Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home
Hobby Collector and Dealer in
ZEV Magneto Parts
John Deere
& Hercules Engines.
Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com
Where Is John Galt



From blcksmth at wcnet.org  Mon Jan 23 10:11:20 2017
From: blcksmth at wcnet.org (Bob)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 13:11:20 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Re:  Spam> Re: Coolsprings show
In-Reply-To: <1a2ba46b-cf2c-1814-46a9-682b9284b0d0@roadrunner.com>
References: <834945DB-7161-4CFB-9C03-E4285FB55FB7@yahoo.com>
	<1a2ba46b-cf2c-1814-46a9-682b9284b0d0@roadrunner.com>
Message-ID: <811c0d38-1ed2-0e2d-8b71-d3d647140c04@wcnet.org>

     June 15,16,17, 2017

Bob Willman
The Eagle's Anvil
Bowling Green, Ohio
WB8NQW

Unless we put medical freedom into the Constitution, the time will come
when medicine will organize into an undercover dictatorship to restrict
the art of healing to one class of Men and deny equal privileges to others;
the Constitution of the republic should make a Special privilege for medical
freedoms as well as religious freedom.

Benjamin Rush

On 1/23/2017 11:58 AM, TED wrote:
> Jake Faith 724 295 4643
>
>
> On 1/23/2017 11:03 AM, Jim Yost wrote:
>> What's the dates? Also I haven't been there in years. Who do I contact about rv camping?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> Jim
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>



From rotigel at me.com  Mon Jan 23 18:25:24 2017
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 21:25:24 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Spam> Re:  Coolsprings show
In-Reply-To: <20170123175504.CF4CC80D6@smtp.wcoil.com>
References: <834945DB-7161-4CFB-9C03-E4285FB55FB7@yahoo.com>
	<20170123175504.CF4CC80D6@smtp.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <4D1F0517-ECBD-4F6D-A384-6FA74098C7FE@me.com>

See: http://coolspringpowermuseum.org/Events.htm <http://coolspringpowermuseum.org/Events.htm>
	Dave

> On Jan 23, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Mark Shulaw <frappi at wcoil.com> wrote:
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/groups/coolspringpowermuseum/
> 
> At 11:03 AM 1/23/2017, you wrote:
>> What's the dates? Also I haven't been there in years. Who do I 
>> contact about rv camping?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> Jim
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
> 
> Mark Shulaw
> 454 County Road 33
> Bluffton, OH. 45817
> USA
> Galations 3:27-29
> 
> Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home
> Hobby Collector and Dealer in
> ZEV Magneto Parts
> John Deere
> & Hercules Engines.
> Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
> VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com
> Where Is John Galt
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From rotigel at me.com  Wed Jan 25 18:21:57 2017
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2017 21:21:57 -0500
Subject: [SEL] German Lawnmower
Message-ID: <CEE01028-23FA-4D0C-B208-8A2EA08FC7BF@me.com>

See: https://biggeekdad.com/2012/11/german-lawnmower/ <https://biggeekdad.com/2012/11/german-lawnmower/>