[SEL] 3 HP IH M Ignitor pushrod spring - Re: John Deere 1 1/2hp E ignitor
Dave Merchant
kosh at ncweb.com
Fri Aug 11 06:51:59 PDT 2017
Our IH 3 HP M came home without the long spring that holds down the
ignitor pushrod. Apparently got knocked off during loading. This spring
runs from the middle of the pushrod, down to a tab at the bottom of the
ignitor bracket. Not having it causes the pawl to lift off the ignitor
lever early, and the engine kicks back.
Is there a source for the correct spring, as opposed to using a generic
spring?
Thanks,
Dave Merchant
YT: Steamcrane
kosh at ncweb.com
On 8/10/2017 8:17 PM, Dave Otto wrote:
> Hi Curt
>
> A couple things maybe you haven't tried. While cranking the engine as fast
> as you can rub the mag wire over the springs on the ignitor and you should
> get some nice sparks, as long as they're not covered with paint. Also the
> timing of the ignitor trip to the position of the armature is very
> important. At the point your ignitor trips the little rivet in the rear mag
> cover needs to drop into the detent of the armature. Even the slop in the
> bolt holes of the ignitor can mess up the timing if you remove and
> re-install the ignitor.
>
> Many years ago I struggled with my JD and two things caused me problems; I
> added too much oil in the rear cup and fouled the collector ring, which
> someone has already mentioned. And the timing between the mag and ignitor.
>
> I hope this may help,
> Dave
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
> cgandree at mchsi.com
> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 7:28 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] John Deere 1 1/2hp E ignitor
>
> Not yet John, but that's an idea I hadn't tried. However, there is small
> engine show this weekend nearby and many of my engine goroos will be there
> so plan to take the old girl and seek help.
> Thanks,
> Curt
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: jbcast at charter.net
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> Sent: Sunday, August 6, 2017 6:18:07 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] John Deere 1 1/2hp E ignitor
>
> Have you tried battery and coil to be sure everything else is OK?
> J.B.
>
> -----------------------------------------From: cgandree at mchsi.com
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> Cc:
> Sent: 06-Aug-2017 10:47:07 +0000
> Subject: Re: [SEL] John Deere 1 1/2hp E ignitor
>
> Jim I purchased a complete new housing that had new bearings, etc.
> Then re-assembled and charged the magnets.
> I am leaning towards my timing is off and need to make those adjustments.
> Hopefully get it running again soon.
> Thanks,
> Curt
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Ritenour"
> To: "The SEL email discussion list"
> Sent: Tuesday, August 1, 2017 6:21:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] John Deere 1 1/2hp E ignitor
>
> I saw you rebuilt the mag what exactly did you do? Did you have the
> bushings replaced? This can be tricky if your machine is not set up
> correctly.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Aug 1, 2017, at 2:52 PM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote:
> >
> > Tom is correct. If using a mag the points should stay closed and only
> open > when the ignitor snaps. If using a battery and coil the points
> should > always remain open and only close when the ignitor is tripped.
> >
> > Tommy Turner
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tom Winland
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2017 2:23 PM > To: The SEL email discussion
> list > Subject: Re: [SEL] John Deere 1 1/2hp E ignitor > > The point stay
> closed when using the mag and open when using a battery and > coil > >
> Tom Winland > Aka GasEngineTom > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Aug 1,
> 2017, at 1:13 PM, Ed Herreid wrote:
> >>
> >> Curt,
> >>
> >>
> >> Pretty sure the points should be open. When the igniter is tripped it >
> closes quickly and then stays open. Possibly one of the springs in >
> reversed? If it is closed all the time the coil/mag is going to get hot.
> >>
> >>
> >> Also common is the wiper on the mag part getting oily and slicked up and
>> not making good contact. Every once in a while I have to remove the little
>> screw cap on top and take a pencil eraser with a rag covering and clean it
>> up. Check the little contact on the end of the spring and clean it up if
>> needed too.
> >>
> >>
> >> Ed Herreid
> >>
> >>
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> >> cgandree at mchsi.com
> >> Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 10:51 PM >> To: Old eng list ; The SEL
> email discussion list >> Cc: cgandree at aol.com >> Subject: [SEL] John Deere
> 1 1/2hp E ignitor >> >> Ok guys I just rebuilt my magnito on my JD 1 1/2 E
> and charged it >> properly. After putting it back on the engine and making
> sure that
>
> >> the gears were at the marks as before I attempted to start the engine
>>> but no go. I removed the ignitor and cleaned and oiled everything so the
>> it would trip properly. Tried to turn it over but still no go. My question
>> is, should the points on this ignitor be open or closed? Mine are closed.
> > Sure would likes some words of wisdom from the group.
> >> Thank you in advance.
> >> Curt Andree
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