From bigtime64 at hotmail.com  Tue Aug  1 10:01:04 2017
From: bigtime64 at hotmail.com (Ed Herreid)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2017 17:01:04 +0000
Subject: [SEL] John Deere 1 1/2hp E ignitor
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References: <1570070982.7436992.1501541183376.JavaMail.zimbra@mchsi.com>,
	<181728349.7437237.1501541470907.JavaMail.zimbra@mchsi.com>
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Curt,


Pretty sure the points should be open.  When the igniter is tripped it closes quickly and then stays open.  Possibly one of the springs in reversed? If it is closed all the time the coil/mag is going to get hot.


Also common is the wiper on the mag part getting oily and slicked up and not making good contact.  Every once in a while I have to remove the little screw cap on top and take a pencil eraser with a rag covering and clean it up. Check the little contact on the end of the spring and clean it up if needed too.


Ed Herreid


________________________________
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com <sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com> on behalf of cgandree at mchsi.com <cgandree at mchsi.com>
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 10:51 PM
To: Old eng list ; The SEL email discussion list
Cc: cgandree at aol.com
Subject: [SEL] John Deere 1 1/2hp E ignitor

Ok guys I just rebuilt my magnito on my JD 1 1/2 E and charged it properly.  After putting it back on the engine and making sure
that the gears were at the marks as before I attempted to start the engine but no go.  I removed the ignitor and cleaned and oiled everything so
the it would trip properly. Tried to turn it over but still no go.  My question is, should the points on this ignitor be open or closed?  Mine
are closed.  Sure would likes some words of wisdom from the group.
Thank you in advance.
Curt Andree
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From gasenginetom at hotmail.com  Tue Aug  1 11:22:30 2017
From: gasenginetom at hotmail.com (Tom Winland)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2017 18:22:30 +0000
Subject: [SEL] John Deere 1 1/2hp E ignitor
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References: <1570070982.7436992.1501541183376.JavaMail.zimbra@mchsi.com>,
	<181728349.7437237.1501541470907.JavaMail.zimbra@mchsi.com>,
	<DM3PR16MB1084357B82DC7B98EC6924BAB4B30@DM3PR16MB1084.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
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The point stay closed when using the mag and open when using a battery and coil

Tom Winland 
Aka GasEngineTom
Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 1, 2017, at 1:13 PM, Ed Herreid <bigtime64 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Curt,
> 
> 
> Pretty sure the points should be open.  When the igniter is tripped it closes quickly and then stays open.  Possibly one of the springs in reversed? If it is closed all the time the coil/mag is going to get hot.
> 
> 
> Also common is the wiper on the mag part getting oily and slicked up and not making good contact.  Every once in a while I have to remove the little screw cap on top and take a pencil eraser with a rag covering and clean it up. Check the little contact on the end of the spring and clean it up if needed too.
> 
> 
> Ed Herreid
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com <sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com> on behalf of cgandree at mchsi.com <cgandree at mchsi.com>
> Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 10:51 PM
> To: Old eng list ; The SEL email discussion list
> Cc: cgandree at aol.com
> Subject: [SEL] John Deere 1 1/2hp E ignitor
> 
> Ok guys I just rebuilt my magnito on my JD 1 1/2 E and charged it properly.  After putting it back on the engine and making sure
> that the gears were at the marks as before I attempted to start the engine but no go.  I removed the ignitor and cleaned and oiled everything so
> the it would trip properly. Tried to turn it over but still no go.  My question is, should the points on this ignitor be open or closed?  Mine
> are closed.  Sure would likes some words of wisdom from the group.
> Thank you in advance.
> Curt Andree
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From Lcjudge at scrtc.com  Tue Aug  1 11:42:25 2017
From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2017 14:42:25 -0400
Subject: [SEL] John Deere 1 1/2hp E ignitor
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References: <1570070982.7436992.1501541183376.JavaMail.zimbra@mchsi.com>,
	<181728349.7437237.1501541470907.JavaMail.zimbra@mchsi.com>,
	<DM3PR16MB1084357B82DC7B98EC6924BAB4B30@DM3PR16MB1084.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<DM5PR06MB3034B07950A9A67F13391884C2B30@DM5PR06MB3034.namprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <003b01d30af5$ec14fca0$c43ef5e0$@scrtc.com>

Tom is correct.  If using a mag the points should stay closed and only open
when the ignitor snaps.  If using a battery and coil the points should
always remain open and only close when the ignitor is tripped.

Tommy Turner



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tom Winland
Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2017 2:23 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] John Deere 1 1/2hp E ignitor

The point stay closed when using the mag and open when using a battery and
coil

Tom Winland
Aka GasEngineTom
Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 1, 2017, at 1:13 PM, Ed Herreid <bigtime64 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Curt,
> 
> 
> Pretty sure the points should be open.  When the igniter is tripped it
closes quickly and then stays open.  Possibly one of the springs in
reversed? If it is closed all the time the coil/mag is going to get hot.
> 
> 
> Also common is the wiper on the mag part getting oily and slicked up and
not making good contact.  Every once in a while I have to remove the little
screw cap on top and take a pencil eraser with a rag covering and clean it
up. Check the little contact on the end of the spring and clean it up if
needed too.
> 
> 
> Ed Herreid
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> <sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com> on behalf of 
> cgandree at mchsi.com <cgandree at mchsi.com>
> Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 10:51 PM
> To: Old eng list ; The SEL email discussion list
> Cc: cgandree at aol.com
> Subject: [SEL] John Deere 1 1/2hp E ignitor
> 
> Ok guys I just rebuilt my magnito on my JD 1 1/2 E and charged it 
> properly.  After putting it back on the engine and making sure that 
> the gears were at the marks as before I attempted to start the engine 
> but no go.  I removed the ignitor and cleaned and oiled everything so the
it would trip properly. Tried to turn it over but still no go.  My question
is, should the points on this ignitor be open or closed?  Mine are closed.
Sure would likes some words of wisdom from the group.
> Thank you in advance.
> Curt Andree
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> o/sel>
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disccusion list for stationary-engines. To see the collection of prior
postings to the list ...
> 
> 
> 
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From jbcast at charter.net  Tue Aug  1 15:27:12 2017
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2017 16:27:12 -0600
Subject: [SEL] John Deere 1 1/2hp E ignitor
Message-ID: <ryTC1v00K4d2v1Q01yTCqa@charter.net>



	I worked on a 3HP for friend a few weeks ago. The ignitor on this one
was mag fired, it was held open by the outer spring, the trip lever
pushed the catch which wound a closing spring and closed the points
until it tripped and then fired. On this ignitor the closing spring
would work while turning over slowly, at cranking speed the points
would never close, the closing spring had to be wound tighter. It
wouldn't pop turning it over with a drill before repairs, started
first pull after. I don't see how this ignitor would work if the
points were closed, it would fire as soon as the trip lever started to
open them.

	------------------------------------From: "Judge Tommy Turner" 
To: "The SEL email discussion list"
Cc: 
Sent: 01-Aug-2017 18:47:34 +0000
Subject: Re: [SEL] John Deere 1 1/2hp E ignitor

 Tom is correct. If using a mag the points should stay closed and only
open
 when the ignitor snaps. If using a battery and coil the points should
 always remain open and only close when the ignitor is tripped.

 Tommy Turner

 -----Original Message-----
 From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
 [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tom
Winland
 Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2017 2:23 PM
 To: The SEL email discussion list
 Subject: Re: [SEL] John Deere 1 1/2hp E ignitor

 The point stay closed when using the mag and open when using a
battery and
 coil

 Tom Winland
 Aka GasEngineTom
 Sent from my iPhone

 > On Aug 1, 2017, at 1:13 PM, Ed Herreid  wrote:
 > 
 > Curt,
 > 
 > 
 > Pretty sure the points should be open. When the igniter is tripped
it
 closes quickly and then stays open. Possibly one of the springs in
 reversed? If it is closed all the time the coil/mag is going to get
hot.
 > 
 > 
 > Also common is the wiper on the mag part getting oily and slicked
up and
 not making good contact. Every once in a while I have to remove the
little
 screw cap on top and take a pencil eraser with a rag covering and
clean it
 up. Check the little contact on the end of the spring and clean it up
if
 needed too.
 > 
 > 
 > Ed Herreid
 > 
 > 
 > ________________________________
 > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
 >  on behalf of 
 > cgandree at mchsi.com 
 > Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 10:51 PM
 > To: Old eng list ; The SEL email discussion list
 > Cc: cgandree at aol.com
 > Subject: [SEL] John Deere 1 1/2hp E ignitor
 > 
 > Ok guys I just rebuilt my magnito on my JD 1 1/2 E and charged it 
 > properly. After putting it back on the engine and making sure that 
 > the gears were at the marks as before I attempted to start the
engine 
 > but no go. I removed the ignitor and cleaned and oiled everything
so the
 it would trip properly. Tried to turn it over but still no go. My
question
 is, should the points on this ignitor be open or closed? Mine are
closed.
 Sure would likes some words of wisdom from the group.
 > Thank you in advance.
 > Curt Andree
 > _______________________________________________
 > SEL mailing list
 > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
 >  > o/sel>
 > www.stationary-engine.com
 > This is the "the" SEL list. The home of the original email based
 disccusion list for stationary-engines. To see the collection of
prior
 postings to the list ...
 > 
 > 
 > 
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 >  
 _______________________________________________
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 SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com



From cgandree at mchsi.com  Tue Aug  1 15:39:11 2017
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2017 18:39:11 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] John Deere 1 1/2hp E ignitor
In-Reply-To: <cc0BddFbDb7kLcc0Edqnac>
Message-ID: <823467669.7551860.1501627151806.JavaMail.zimbra@mchsi.com>

Ok guys that's what I thought with a mag, which it has the original points should remain open.  After watch several youtube videos which also said points should be open I feel confident that now my timing might be off and will work on that.
Will let you all know.
Thank you very much.
Curt

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Winland" <gasenginetom at hotmail.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 1, 2017 1:22:30 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] John Deere 1 1/2hp E ignitor

The point stay closed when using the mag and open when using a battery and coil

Tom Winland 
Aka GasEngineTom
Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 1, 2017, at 1:13 PM, Ed Herreid <bigtime64 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Curt,
> 
> 
> Pretty sure the points should be open.  When the igniter is tripped it closes quickly and then stays open.  Possibly one of the springs in reversed? If it is closed all the time the coil/mag is going to get hot.
> 
> 
> Also common is the wiper on the mag part getting oily and slicked up and not making good contact.  Every once in a while I have to remove the little screw cap on top and take a pencil eraser with a rag covering and clean it up. Check the little contact on the end of the spring and clean it up if needed too.
> 
> 
> Ed Herreid
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com <sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com> on behalf of cgandree at mchsi.com <cgandree at mchsi.com>
> Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 10:51 PM
> To: Old eng list ; The SEL email discussion list
> Cc: cgandree at aol.com
> Subject: [SEL] John Deere 1 1/2hp E ignitor
> 
> Ok guys I just rebuilt my magnito on my JD 1 1/2 E and charged it properly.  After putting it back on the engine and making sure
> that the gears were at the marks as before I attempted to start the engine but no go.  I removed the ignitor and cleaned and oiled everything so
> the it would trip properly. Tried to turn it over but still no go.  My question is, should the points on this ignitor be open or closed?  Mine
> are closed.  Sure would likes some words of wisdom from the group.
> Thank you in advance.
> Curt Andree
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
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> www.stationary-engine.com
> This is the "the" SEL list. The home of the original email based disccusion list for stationary-engines. To see the collection of prior postings to the list ...
> 
> 
> 
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From jimrit33 at hotmail.com  Tue Aug  1 16:21:59 2017
From: jimrit33 at hotmail.com (Jim Ritenour)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2017 23:21:59 +0000
Subject: [SEL] John Deere 1 1/2hp E ignitor
In-Reply-To: <003b01d30af5$ec14fca0$c43ef5e0$@scrtc.com>
References: <1570070982.7436992.1501541183376.JavaMail.zimbra@mchsi.com>,
	<181728349.7437237.1501541470907.JavaMail.zimbra@mchsi.com>,
	<DM3PR16MB1084357B82DC7B98EC6924BAB4B30@DM3PR16MB1084.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<DM5PR06MB3034B07950A9A67F13391884C2B30@DM5PR06MB3034.namprd06.prod.outlook.com>,
	<003b01d30af5$ec14fca0$c43ef5e0$@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <DM5PR13MB18500989BDDFB3413734A3C1CEB30@DM5PR13MB1850.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>

I saw you rebuilt the mag what exactly did you do? Did you have the bushings replaced? This can be tricky if your machine is not set up correctly.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 1, 2017, at 2:52 PM, Judge Tommy Turner <Lcjudge at scrtc.com> wrote:
> 
> Tom is correct.  If using a mag the points should stay closed and only open
> when the ignitor snaps.  If using a battery and coil the points should
> always remain open and only close when the ignitor is tripped.
> 
> Tommy Turner
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tom Winland
> Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2017 2:23 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] John Deere 1 1/2hp E ignitor
> 
> The point stay closed when using the mag and open when using a battery and
> coil
> 
> Tom Winland
> Aka GasEngineTom
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 1, 2017, at 1:13 PM, Ed Herreid <bigtime64 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Curt,
>> 
>> 
>> Pretty sure the points should be open.  When the igniter is tripped it
> closes quickly and then stays open.  Possibly one of the springs in
> reversed? If it is closed all the time the coil/mag is going to get hot.
>> 
>> 
>> Also common is the wiper on the mag part getting oily and slicked up and
> not making good contact.  Every once in a while I have to remove the little
> screw cap on top and take a pencil eraser with a rag covering and clean it
> up. Check the little contact on the end of the spring and clean it up if
> needed too.
>> 
>> 
>> Ed Herreid
>> 
>> 
>> ________________________________
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
>> <sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com> on behalf of 
>> cgandree at mchsi.com <cgandree at mchsi.com>
>> Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 10:51 PM
>> To: Old eng list ; The SEL email discussion list
>> Cc: cgandree at aol.com
>> Subject: [SEL] John Deere 1 1/2hp E ignitor
>> 
>> Ok guys I just rebuilt my magnito on my JD 1 1/2 E and charged it 
>> properly.  After putting it back on the engine and making sure that 
>> the gears were at the marks as before I attempted to start the engine 
>> but no go.  I removed the ignitor and cleaned and oiled everything so the
> it would trip properly. Tried to turn it over but still no go.  My question
> is, should the points on this ignitor be open or closed?  Mine are closed.
> Sure would likes some words of wisdom from the group.
>> Thank you in advance.
>> Curt Andree
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>> SEL Info Page - 
>> stationary-engine.com<http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinf
>> o/sel>
>> www.stationary-engine.com
>> This is the "the" SEL list. The home of the original email based
> disccusion list for stationary-engines. To see the collection of prior
> postings to the list ...
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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> 
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From fero_ah at verizon.net  Wed Aug  2 11:36:34 2017
From: fero_ah at verizon.net (Arnold Fero)
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2017 14:36:34 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Reg is Looking for Tom Ball
Message-ID: <15da43c30c2-1638-3bc24@webprd-m39.mail.aol.com>


Hiya Folks,

Reg is in Merry Olde England and really needs to get in touch with Tom Ball.

If anyone has contact info for Tom, please pass it along to Reg.

Tom, if you see this, please contact Reg.

Arnie


From stb440 at aol.com  Wed Aug  2 11:51:31 2017
From: stb440 at aol.com (Tom)
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2017 14:51:31 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Reg is Looking for Tom Ball
In-Reply-To: <02B7530A-071B-4858-A455-2D6DE9F28F74@aol.com>
References: <15da43c30c2-1638-3bc24@webprd-m39.mail.aol.com>
	<02B7530A-071B-4858-A455-2D6DE9F28F74@aol.com>
Message-ID: <48A25C95-47DE-4552-A568-6B723ABAC589@aol.com>

Wonder why he didn't email me. I was in Salt Lake City Utah for a week visiting family.   

Tom

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 2, 2017, at 2:49 PM, Tom <stb440 at aol.com> wrote:
> 
> Will do Arnie. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 2, 2017, at 2:36 PM, Arnold Fero <fero_ah at verizon.net> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hiya Folks,
>> 
>> Reg is in Merry Olde England and really needs to get in touch with Tom Ball.
>> 
>> If anyone has contact info for Tom, please pass it along to Reg.
>> 
>> Tom, if you see this, please contact Reg.
>> 
>> Arnie
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Aug  2 12:08:31 2017
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2017 15:08:31 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Reg is Looking for Tom Ball
In-Reply-To: <48A25C95-47DE-4552-A568-6B723ABAC589@aol.com>
References: <15da43c30c2-1638-3bc24@webprd-m39.mail.aol.com>
	<02B7530A-071B-4858-A455-2D6DE9F28F74@aol.com>
	<48A25C95-47DE-4552-A568-6B723ABAC589@aol.com>
Message-ID: <004f4b519b910be846e32942272a5de5.squirrel@mail.realprodata.com>

Well Tom, this IS Reggie after all...  8-))

On Wed, August 2, 2017 2:51 pm, Tom wrote:
> Wonder why he didn't email me. I was in Salt Lake City Utah for a week
> visiting family.
>
> Tom
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Aug 2, 2017, at 2:49 PM, Tom <stb440 at aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> Will do Arnie.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>





From asouth42 at embarqmail.com  Wed Aug  2 19:51:24 2017
From: asouth42 at embarqmail.com (Arthur Southwell)
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2017 22:51:24 -0400
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Re:  John Deere 1 1/2hp E ignitor
In-Reply-To: <ryTC1v00K4d2v1Q01yTCqa@charter.net>
References: <ryTC1v00K4d2v1Q01yTCqa@charter.net>
Message-ID: <68BA0886C71F48E59FFB0512BBD3F0EE@Arthur3>

JB,
Glad to see you are still around. Keep hoping I'll get back thru your part 
of LA to say hello. Since my father-in-law died, I don't get back to 
Portland show to see any of you fellows and ladies.

Hope all is well with you.

Arthur Southwell

Arcadia, FL 34266
asouth42 at embarqmail.com

-----Original Message----- 
From: jbcast at charter.net
Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2017 6:27 PM
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: Re: [SEL] John Deere 1 1/2hp E ignitor





From cgandree at mchsi.com  Sun Aug  6 03:44:58 2017
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2017 06:44:58 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] John Deere 1 1/2hp E ignitor
In-Reply-To: <cgfIdh0RDb7kLcgfLdt1nj>
Message-ID: <1194628756.7977934.1502016298210.JavaMail.zimbra@mchsi.com>

Jim I purchased a complete new housing that had new bearings, etc. Then re-assembled and charged the magnets.
I am leaning towards my timing is off and need to make those adjustments.  Hopefully get it running again soon.
Thanks,
Curt

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Ritenour" <jimrit33 at hotmail.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 1, 2017 6:21:59 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] John Deere 1 1/2hp E ignitor

I saw you rebuilt the mag what exactly did you do? Did you have the bushings replaced? This can be tricky if your machine is not set up correctly.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 1, 2017, at 2:52 PM, Judge Tommy Turner <Lcjudge at scrtc.com> wrote:
> 
> Tom is correct.  If using a mag the points should stay closed and only open
> when the ignitor snaps.  If using a battery and coil the points should
> always remain open and only close when the ignitor is tripped.
> 
> Tommy Turner
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tom Winland
> Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2017 2:23 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] John Deere 1 1/2hp E ignitor
> 
> The point stay closed when using the mag and open when using a battery and
> coil
> 
> Tom Winland
> Aka GasEngineTom
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 1, 2017, at 1:13 PM, Ed Herreid <bigtime64 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Curt,
>> 
>> 
>> Pretty sure the points should be open.  When the igniter is tripped it
> closes quickly and then stays open.  Possibly one of the springs in
> reversed? If it is closed all the time the coil/mag is going to get hot.
>> 
>> 
>> Also common is the wiper on the mag part getting oily and slicked up and
> not making good contact.  Every once in a while I have to remove the little
> screw cap on top and take a pencil eraser with a rag covering and clean it
> up. Check the little contact on the end of the spring and clean it up if
> needed too.
>> 
>> 
>> Ed Herreid
>> 
>> 
>> ________________________________
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
>> <sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com> on behalf of 
>> cgandree at mchsi.com <cgandree at mchsi.com>
>> Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 10:51 PM
>> To: Old eng list ; The SEL email discussion list
>> Cc: cgandree at aol.com
>> Subject: [SEL] John Deere 1 1/2hp E ignitor
>> 
>> Ok guys I just rebuilt my magnito on my JD 1 1/2 E and charged it 
>> properly.  After putting it back on the engine and making sure that 
>> the gears were at the marks as before I attempted to start the engine 
>> but no go.  I removed the ignitor and cleaned and oiled everything so the
> it would trip properly. Tried to turn it over but still no go.  My question
> is, should the points on this ignitor be open or closed?  Mine are closed.
> Sure would likes some words of wisdom from the group.
>> Thank you in advance.
>> Curt Andree
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From jbcast at charter.net  Sun Aug  6 04:18:07 2017
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2017 05:18:07 -0600
Subject: [SEL] John Deere 1 1/2hp E ignitor
Message-ID: <tnJ71v0053FVrws01nJ7Hm@charter.net>

Have you tried battery and coil to be sure everything else is OK?
J.B.

	-----------------------------------------From: cgandree at mchsi.com
To: "The SEL email discussion list"
Cc: 
Sent: 06-Aug-2017 10:47:07 +0000
Subject: Re: [SEL] John Deere 1 1/2hp E ignitor

 Jim I purchased a complete new housing that had new bearings, etc.
Then re-assembled and charged the magnets.
 I am leaning towards my timing is off and need to make those
adjustments. Hopefully get it running again soon.
 Thanks,
 Curt

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: "Jim Ritenour" 
 To: "The SEL email discussion list" 
 Sent: Tuesday, August 1, 2017 6:21:59 PM
 Subject: Re: [SEL] John Deere 1 1/2hp E ignitor

 I saw you rebuilt the mag what exactly did you do? Did you have the
bushings replaced? This can be tricky if your machine is not set up
correctly.

 Sent from my iPhone

 > On Aug 1, 2017, at 2:52 PM, Judge Tommy Turner  wrote:
 > 
 > Tom is correct. If using a mag the points should stay closed and
only open
 > when the ignitor snaps. If using a battery and coil the points
should
 > always remain open and only close when the ignitor is tripped.
 > 
 > Tommy Turner
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > -----Original Message-----
 > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
 > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tom
Winland
 > Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2017 2:23 PM
 > To: The SEL email discussion list
 > Subject: Re: [SEL] John Deere 1 1/2hp E ignitor
 > 
 > The point stay closed when using the mag and open when using a
battery and
 > coil
 > 
 > Tom Winland
 > Aka GasEngineTom
 > Sent from my iPhone
 > 
 >> On Aug 1, 2017, at 1:13 PM, Ed Herreid  wrote:
 >> 
 >> Curt,
 >> 
 >> 
 >> Pretty sure the points should be open. When the igniter is tripped
it
 > closes quickly and then stays open. Possibly one of the springs in
 > reversed? If it is closed all the time the coil/mag is going to get
hot.
 >> 
 >> 
 >> Also common is the wiper on the mag part getting oily and slicked
up and
 > not making good contact. Every once in a while I have to remove the
little
 > screw cap on top and take a pencil eraser with a rag covering and
clean it
 > up. Check the little contact on the end of the spring and clean it
up if
 > needed too.
 >> 
 >> 
 >> Ed Herreid
 >> 
 >> 
 >> ________________________________
 >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
 >>  on behalf of 
 >> cgandree at mchsi.com 
 >> Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 10:51 PM
 >> To: Old eng list ; The SEL email discussion list
 >> Cc: cgandree at aol.com
 >> Subject: [SEL] John Deere 1 1/2hp E ignitor
 >> 
 >> Ok guys I just rebuilt my magnito on my JD 1 1/2 E and charged it 
 >> properly. After putting it back on the engine and making sure that

 >> the gears were at the marks as before I attempted to start the
engine 
 >> but no go. I removed the ignitor and cleaned and oiled everything
so the
 > it would trip properly. Tried to turn it over but still no go. My
question
 > is, should the points on this ignitor be open or closed? Mine are
closed.
 > Sure would likes some words of wisdom from the group.
 >> Thank you in advance.
 >> Curt Andree
 >> _______________________________________________
 >> SEL mailing list
 >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
 >>  >> o/sel>
 >> www.stationary-engine.com
 >> This is the "the" SEL list. The home of the original email based
 > disccusion list for stationary-engines. To see the collection of
prior
 > postings to the list ...
 >> 
 >> 
 >> 
 >> _______________________________________________
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From rotigel at me.com  Wed Aug  9 11:16:31 2017
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave)
Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2017 14:16:31 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Advice From A Good Friend (OT?)
Message-ID: <320D05BF-5077-48C3-A6F8-A12153737DC5@me.com>

"Most folks haven't thought about such topics since the peak of saber-rattling during the
Cold War with the USSR.  But with the wack-job in North Korea getting more and more
unhinged, it might be worth a quick review of some good, basic advice for improving
survival 

http://metro.co.uk/2017/08/09/five-steps-to-take-if-nuclear-war-breaks-out-in-fire-and-fury-6839736/ <http://metro.co.uk/2017/08/09/five-steps-to-take-if-nuclear-war-breaks-out-in-fire-and-fury-6839736/>

https://www.ready.gov/nuclear-blast <https://www.ready.gov/nuclear-blast>

A couple of items not mentioned in the advice are having a working Geiger counter (used to
check food and water for radioactive contamination and for avoiding areas with high radiation
levels) and, of course, one?s choice of SHTF firearms and ammunition.?

I really do not want this to be totally OT, so I would add that all old iron should be washed off before using!
	Dave




From cgandree at mchsi.com  Thu Aug 10 06:28:06 2017
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2017 09:28:06 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] John Deere 1 1/2hp E ignitor
In-Reply-To: <eJoBdod9whGDGeJoDdPz7g>
Message-ID: <1864329289.8380691.1502371686145.JavaMail.zimbra@mchsi.com>

Not yet John, but that's an idea I hadn't tried.  However, there is small engine show this weekend nearby and many of my engine goroos will be there so plan to take the old girl
and seek help.
Thanks,
Curt

----- Original Message -----
From: jbcast at charter.net
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 6, 2017 6:18:07 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] John Deere 1 1/2hp E ignitor

Have you tried battery and coil to be sure everything else is OK?
J.B.

	-----------------------------------------From: cgandree at mchsi.com
To: "The SEL email discussion list"
Cc: 
Sent: 06-Aug-2017 10:47:07 +0000
Subject: Re: [SEL] John Deere 1 1/2hp E ignitor

 Jim I purchased a complete new housing that had new bearings, etc.
Then re-assembled and charged the magnets.
 I am leaning towards my timing is off and need to make those
adjustments. Hopefully get it running again soon.
 Thanks,
 Curt

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: "Jim Ritenour" 
 To: "The SEL email discussion list" 
 Sent: Tuesday, August 1, 2017 6:21:59 PM
 Subject: Re: [SEL] John Deere 1 1/2hp E ignitor

 I saw you rebuilt the mag what exactly did you do? Did you have the
bushings replaced? This can be tricky if your machine is not set up
correctly.

 Sent from my iPhone

 > On Aug 1, 2017, at 2:52 PM, Judge Tommy Turner  wrote:
 > 
 > Tom is correct. If using a mag the points should stay closed and
only open
 > when the ignitor snaps. If using a battery and coil the points
should
 > always remain open and only close when the ignitor is tripped.
 > 
 > Tommy Turner
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > -----Original Message-----
 > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
 > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tom
Winland
 > Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2017 2:23 PM
 > To: The SEL email discussion list
 > Subject: Re: [SEL] John Deere 1 1/2hp E ignitor
 > 
 > The point stay closed when using the mag and open when using a
battery and
 > coil
 > 
 > Tom Winland
 > Aka GasEngineTom
 > Sent from my iPhone
 > 
 >> On Aug 1, 2017, at 1:13 PM, Ed Herreid  wrote:
 >> 
 >> Curt,
 >> 
 >> 
 >> Pretty sure the points should be open. When the igniter is tripped
it
 > closes quickly and then stays open. Possibly one of the springs in
 > reversed? If it is closed all the time the coil/mag is going to get
hot.
 >> 
 >> 
 >> Also common is the wiper on the mag part getting oily and slicked
up and
 > not making good contact. Every once in a while I have to remove the
little
 > screw cap on top and take a pencil eraser with a rag covering and
clean it
 > up. Check the little contact on the end of the spring and clean it
up if
 > needed too.
 >> 
 >> 
 >> Ed Herreid
 >> 
 >> 
 >> ________________________________
 >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
 >>  on behalf of 
 >> cgandree at mchsi.com 
 >> Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 10:51 PM
 >> To: Old eng list ; The SEL email discussion list
 >> Cc: cgandree at aol.com
 >> Subject: [SEL] John Deere 1 1/2hp E ignitor
 >> 
 >> Ok guys I just rebuilt my magnito on my JD 1 1/2 E and charged it 
 >> properly. After putting it back on the engine and making sure that

 >> the gears were at the marks as before I attempted to start the
engine 
 >> but no go. I removed the ignitor and cleaned and oiled everything
so the
 > it would trip properly. Tried to turn it over but still no go. My
question
 > is, should the points on this ignitor be open or closed? Mine are
closed.
 > Sure would likes some words of wisdom from the group.
 >> Thank you in advance.
 >> Curt Andree
 >> _______________________________________________
 >> SEL mailing list
 >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
 >>  >> o/sel>
 >> www.stationary-engine.com
 >> This is the "the" SEL list. The home of the original email based
 > disccusion list for stationary-engines. To see the collection of
prior
 > postings to the list ...
 >> 
 >> 
 >> 
 >> _______________________________________________
 >> SEL mailing list
 >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
 >>  > 
 > _______________________________________________
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From ddotto at cableone.net  Thu Aug 10 17:17:34 2017
From: ddotto at cableone.net (Dave Otto)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2017 18:17:34 -0600
Subject: [SEL] John Deere 1 1/2hp E ignitor
In-Reply-To: <1864329289.8380691.1502371686145.JavaMail.zimbra@mchsi.com>
References: <eJoBdod9whGDGeJoDdPz7g>
	<1864329289.8380691.1502371686145.JavaMail.zimbra@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <008001d31237$3bb2c830$b3185890$@net>

Hi Curt

A couple things maybe you haven't tried. While cranking the engine as fast
as you can rub the mag wire over the springs on the ignitor and you should
get some nice sparks, as long as they're not covered with paint. Also the
timing of the ignitor trip to the position of the armature is very
important. At the point your ignitor trips the little rivet in the rear mag
cover needs to drop into the detent of the armature. Even the slop in the
bolt holes of the ignitor can mess up the timing if you remove and
re-install the ignitor. 

Many years ago I struggled with my JD and two things caused me problems; I
added too much oil in the rear cup and fouled the collector ring, which
someone has already mentioned. And the timing between the mag and ignitor.

I hope this may help,
Dave



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
cgandree at mchsi.com
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 7:28 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] John Deere 1 1/2hp E ignitor

Not yet John, but that's an idea I hadn't tried.  However, there is small
engine show this weekend nearby and many of my engine goroos will be there
so plan to take the old girl and seek help.
Thanks,
Curt

----- Original Message -----
From: jbcast at charter.net
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 6, 2017 6:18:07 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] John Deere 1 1/2hp E ignitor

Have you tried battery and coil to be sure everything else is OK?
J.B.

	-----------------------------------------From: cgandree at mchsi.com
To: "The SEL email discussion list"
Cc: 
Sent: 06-Aug-2017 10:47:07 +0000
Subject: Re: [SEL] John Deere 1 1/2hp E ignitor

 Jim I purchased a complete new housing that had new bearings, etc.
Then re-assembled and charged the magnets.
 I am leaning towards my timing is off and need to make those adjustments.
Hopefully get it running again soon.
 Thanks,
 Curt

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: "Jim Ritenour" 
 To: "The SEL email discussion list" 
 Sent: Tuesday, August 1, 2017 6:21:59 PM
 Subject: Re: [SEL] John Deere 1 1/2hp E ignitor

 I saw you rebuilt the mag what exactly did you do? Did you have the
bushings replaced? This can be tricky if your machine is not set up
correctly.

 Sent from my iPhone

 > On Aug 1, 2017, at 2:52 PM, Judge Tommy Turner  wrote:
 >
 > Tom is correct. If using a mag the points should stay closed and only
open  > when the ignitor snaps. If using a battery and coil the points
should  > always remain open and only close when the ignitor is tripped.
 >
 > Tommy Turner
 >
 >
 >
 > -----Original Message-----
 > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
 > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tom Winland
> Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2017 2:23 PM  > To: The SEL email discussion
list  > Subject: Re: [SEL] John Deere 1 1/2hp E ignitor  >  > The point stay
closed when using the mag and open when using a battery and  > coil  >  >
Tom Winland  > Aka GasEngineTom  > Sent from my iPhone  >  >> On Aug 1,
2017, at 1:13 PM, Ed Herreid  wrote:
 >>
 >> Curt,
 >>
 >>
 >> Pretty sure the points should be open. When the igniter is tripped it  >
closes quickly and then stays open. Possibly one of the springs in  >
reversed? If it is closed all the time the coil/mag is going to get hot.
 >>
 >>
 >> Also common is the wiper on the mag part getting oily and slicked up and
> not making good contact. Every once in a while I have to remove the little
> screw cap on top and take a pencil eraser with a rag covering and clean it
> up. Check the little contact on the end of the spring and clean it up if
> needed too.
 >>
 >>
 >> Ed Herreid
 >>
 >>
 >> ________________________________
 >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
 >>  on behalf of
 >> cgandree at mchsi.com
 >> Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 10:51 PM  >> To: Old eng list ; The SEL
email discussion list  >> Cc: cgandree at aol.com  >> Subject: [SEL] John Deere
1 1/2hp E ignitor  >>  >> Ok guys I just rebuilt my magnito on my JD 1 1/2 E
and charged it  >> properly. After putting it back on the engine and making
sure that

 >> the gears were at the marks as before I attempted to start the engine
>> but no go. I removed the ignitor and cleaned and oiled everything so the
> it would trip properly. Tried to turn it over but still no go. My question
> is, should the points on this ignitor be open or closed? Mine are closed.
 > Sure would likes some words of wisdom from the group.
 >> Thank you in advance.
 >> Curt Andree
 >> _______________________________________________
 >> SEL mailing list
 >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
 >>  >> o/sel>
 >> www.stationary-engine.com
 >> This is the "the" SEL list. The home of the original email based  >
disccusion list for stationary-engines. To see the collection of prior  >
postings to the list ...
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >> _______________________________________________
 >> SEL mailing list
 >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
 >>  >
 > _______________________________________________
 > SEL mailing list
 > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
 >  _______________________________________________
 SEL mailing list
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From rotigel at me.com  Thu Aug 10 17:54:13 2017
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2017 20:54:13 -0400
Subject: [SEL] John Deere 1 1/2hp E ignitor
In-Reply-To: <008001d31237$3bb2c830$b3185890$@net>
References: <eJoBdod9whGDGeJoDdPz7g@mac.com>
	<1864329289.8380691.1502371686145.JavaMail.zimbra@mchsi.com>
	<008001d31237$3bb2c830$b3185890$@net>
Message-ID: <3A5F56A2-CC4E-4439-B37A-EECC10204327@me.com>

Curt,
	Just get an unsuspecting kid in the neighborhood to hold the wire and then spin the flywheels. (Younger kids are better and can be used several times. Older kids can only be used once! The same is true for woman?I learned that from my X-wife!)  No need to even look for a spark, you will know if the mag is working. I used to use this method to test my mags, but the kid next door (and my X) finally moved away!
	Dave

> On Aug 10, 2017, at 8:17 PM, Dave Otto <ddotto at cableone.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi Curt
> 
> A couple things maybe you haven't tried. While cranking the engine as fast
> as you can rub the mag wire over the springs on the ignitor and you should
> get some nice sparks, as long as they're not covered with paint. Also the
> timing of the ignitor trip to the position of the armature is very
> important. At the point your ignitor trips the little rivet in the rear mag
> cover needs to drop into the detent of the armature. Even the slop in the
> bolt holes of the ignitor can mess up the timing if you remove and
> re-install the ignitor. 
> 
> Many years ago I struggled with my JD and two things caused me problems; I
> added too much oil in the rear cup and fouled the collector ring, which
> someone has already mentioned. And the timing between the mag and ignitor.
> 
> I hope this may help,
> Dave
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
> cgandree at mchsi.com
> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 7:28 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] John Deere 1 1/2hp E ignitor
> 
> Not yet John, but that's an idea I hadn't tried.  However, there is small
> engine show this weekend nearby and many of my engine goroos will be there
> so plan to take the old girl and seek help.
> Thanks,
> Curt
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: jbcast at charter.net
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Sunday, August 6, 2017 6:18:07 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] John Deere 1 1/2hp E ignitor
> 
> Have you tried battery and coil to be sure everything else is OK?
> J.B.
> 
> 	-----------------------------------------From: cgandree at mchsi.com
> To: "The SEL email discussion list"
> Cc: 
> Sent: 06-Aug-2017 10:47:07 +0000
> Subject: Re: [SEL] John Deere 1 1/2hp E ignitor
> 
> Jim I purchased a complete new housing that had new bearings, etc.
> Then re-assembled and charged the magnets.
> I am leaning towards my timing is off and need to make those adjustments.
> Hopefully get it running again soon.
> Thanks,
> Curt
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Ritenour" 
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" 
> Sent: Tuesday, August 1, 2017 6:21:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] John Deere 1 1/2hp E ignitor
> 
> I saw you rebuilt the mag what exactly did you do? Did you have the
> bushings replaced? This can be tricky if your machine is not set up
> correctly.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 1, 2017, at 2:52 PM, Judge Tommy Turner  wrote:
>> 
>> Tom is correct. If using a mag the points should stay closed and only
> open  > when the ignitor snaps. If using a battery and coil the points
> should  > always remain open and only close when the ignitor is tripped.
>> 
>> Tommy Turner
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tom Winland
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2017 2:23 PM  > To: The SEL email discussion
> list  > Subject: Re: [SEL] John Deere 1 1/2hp E ignitor  >  > The point stay
> closed when using the mag and open when using a battery and  > coil  >  >
> Tom Winland  > Aka GasEngineTom  > Sent from my iPhone  >  >> On Aug 1,
> 2017, at 1:13 PM, Ed Herreid  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Curt,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Pretty sure the points should be open. When the igniter is tripped it  >
> closes quickly and then stays open. Possibly one of the springs in  >
> reversed? If it is closed all the time the coil/mag is going to get hot.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Also common is the wiper on the mag part getting oily and slicked up and
>> not making good contact. Every once in a while I have to remove the little
>> screw cap on top and take a pencil eraser with a rag covering and clean it
>> up. Check the little contact on the end of the spring and clean it up if
>> needed too.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Ed Herreid
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> on behalf of
>>> cgandree at mchsi.com
>>> Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 10:51 PM  >> To: Old eng list ; The SEL
> email discussion list  >> Cc: cgandree at aol.com  >> Subject: [SEL] John Deere
> 1 1/2hp E ignitor  >>  >> Ok guys I just rebuilt my magnito on my JD 1 1/2 E
> and charged it  >> properly. After putting it back on the engine and making
> sure that
> 
>>> the gears were at the marks as before I attempted to start the engine
>>> but no go. I removed the ignitor and cleaned and oiled everything so the
>> it would trip properly. Tried to turn it over but still no go. My question
>> is, should the points on this ignitor be open or closed? Mine are closed.
>> Sure would likes some words of wisdom from the group.
>>> Thank you in advance.
>>> Curt Andree
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From kosh at ncweb.com  Fri Aug 11 06:51:59 2017
From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2017 09:51:59 -0400
Subject: [SEL] 3 HP IH M Ignitor pushrod spring - Re: John Deere 1 1/2hp E
 ignitor
In-Reply-To: <008001d31237$3bb2c830$b3185890$@net>
References: <eJoBdod9whGDGeJoDdPz7g>
	<1864329289.8380691.1502371686145.JavaMail.zimbra@mchsi.com>
	<008001d31237$3bb2c830$b3185890$@net>
Message-ID: <5438ea58-e7c7-c568-fd58-97b416e9c918@ncweb.com>

Our IH 3 HP M came home without the long spring that holds down the 
ignitor pushrod.  Apparently got knocked off during loading. This spring 
runs from the middle of the pushrod, down to a tab at the bottom of the 
ignitor bracket. Not having it causes the pawl to lift off the ignitor 
lever early, and the engine kicks back.

Is there a source for the correct spring, as opposed to using a generic 
spring?

Thanks,
Dave Merchant
YT: Steamcrane
kosh at ncweb.com

On 8/10/2017 8:17 PM, Dave Otto wrote:
> Hi Curt
>
> A couple things maybe you haven't tried. While cranking the engine as fast
> as you can rub the mag wire over the springs on the ignitor and you should
> get some nice sparks, as long as they're not covered with paint. Also the
> timing of the ignitor trip to the position of the armature is very
> important. At the point your ignitor trips the little rivet in the rear mag
> cover needs to drop into the detent of the armature. Even the slop in the
> bolt holes of the ignitor can mess up the timing if you remove and
> re-install the ignitor.
>
> Many years ago I struggled with my JD and two things caused me problems; I
> added too much oil in the rear cup and fouled the collector ring, which
> someone has already mentioned. And the timing between the mag and ignitor.
>
> I hope this may help,
> Dave
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
> cgandree at mchsi.com
> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 7:28 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] John Deere 1 1/2hp E ignitor
>
> Not yet John, but that's an idea I hadn't tried.  However, there is small
> engine show this weekend nearby and many of my engine goroos will be there
> so plan to take the old girl and seek help.
> Thanks,
> Curt
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: jbcast at charter.net
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Sunday, August 6, 2017 6:18:07 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] John Deere 1 1/2hp E ignitor
>
> Have you tried battery and coil to be sure everything else is OK?
> J.B.
>
> 	-----------------------------------------From: cgandree at mchsi.com
> To: "The SEL email discussion list"
> Cc:
> Sent: 06-Aug-2017 10:47:07 +0000
> Subject: Re: [SEL] John Deere 1 1/2hp E ignitor
>
>   Jim I purchased a complete new housing that had new bearings, etc.
> Then re-assembled and charged the magnets.
>   I am leaning towards my timing is off and need to make those adjustments.
> Hopefully get it running again soon.
>   Thanks,
>   Curt
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: "Jim Ritenour"
>   To: "The SEL email discussion list"
>   Sent: Tuesday, August 1, 2017 6:21:59 PM
>   Subject: Re: [SEL] John Deere 1 1/2hp E ignitor
>
>   I saw you rebuilt the mag what exactly did you do? Did you have the
> bushings replaced? This can be tricky if your machine is not set up
> correctly.
>
>   Sent from my iPhone
>
>   > On Aug 1, 2017, at 2:52 PM, Judge Tommy Turner  wrote:
>   >
>   > Tom is correct. If using a mag the points should stay closed and only
> open  > when the ignitor snaps. If using a battery and coil the points
> should  > always remain open and only close when the ignitor is tripped.
>   >
>   > Tommy Turner
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   > -----Original Message-----
>   > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>   > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tom Winland
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2017 2:23 PM  > To: The SEL email discussion
> list  > Subject: Re: [SEL] John Deere 1 1/2hp E ignitor  >  > The point stay
> closed when using the mag and open when using a battery and  > coil  >  >
> Tom Winland  > Aka GasEngineTom  > Sent from my iPhone  >  >> On Aug 1,
> 2017, at 1:13 PM, Ed Herreid  wrote:
>   >>
>   >> Curt,
>   >>
>   >>
>   >> Pretty sure the points should be open. When the igniter is tripped it  >
> closes quickly and then stays open. Possibly one of the springs in  >
> reversed? If it is closed all the time the coil/mag is going to get hot.
>   >>
>   >>
>   >> Also common is the wiper on the mag part getting oily and slicked up and
>> not making good contact. Every once in a while I have to remove the little
>> screw cap on top and take a pencil eraser with a rag covering and clean it
>> up. Check the little contact on the end of the spring and clean it up if
>> needed too.
>   >>
>   >>
>   >> Ed Herreid
>   >>
>   >>
>   >> ________________________________
>   >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>   >>  on behalf of
>   >> cgandree at mchsi.com
>   >> Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 10:51 PM  >> To: Old eng list ; The SEL
> email discussion list  >> Cc: cgandree at aol.com  >> Subject: [SEL] John Deere
> 1 1/2hp E ignitor  >>  >> Ok guys I just rebuilt my magnito on my JD 1 1/2 E
> and charged it  >> properly. After putting it back on the engine and making
> sure that
>
>   >> the gears were at the marks as before I attempted to start the engine
>>> but no go. I removed the ignitor and cleaned and oiled everything so the
>> it would trip properly. Tried to turn it over but still no go. My question
>> is, should the points on this ignitor be open or closed? Mine are closed.
>   > Sure would likes some words of wisdom from the group.
>   >> Thank you in advance.
>   >> Curt Andree
>   >> _______________________________________________
>   >> SEL mailing list
>   >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>   >>  >> o/sel>
>   >> www.stationary-engine.com
>   >> This is the "the" SEL list. The home of the original email based  >
> disccusion list for stationary-engines. To see the collection of prior  >
> postings to the list ...
>   >>
>   >>
>   >>
>   >> _______________________________________________
>   >> SEL mailing list
>   >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>   >>  >
>   > _______________________________________________
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From richard_strobel7 at msn.com  Fri Aug 11 15:53:25 2017
From: richard_strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2017 22:53:25 +0000
Subject: [SEL] John Deere 1 1/2hp E ignitor
In-Reply-To: <3A5F56A2-CC4E-4439-B37A-EECC10204327@me.com>
References: <eJoBdod9whGDGeJoDdPz7g@mac.com>
	<1864329289.8380691.1502371686145.JavaMail.zimbra@mchsi.com>
	<008001d31237$3bb2c830$b3185890$@net>,
	<3A5F56A2-CC4E-4439-B37A-EECC10204327@me.com>
Message-ID: <DM5PR16MB17561C0190EC3F434C3AEE30BB890@DM5PR16MB1756.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>

   Curt,
      The ignitor shaft is drilled to accommadate oil getting to the end of the shaft.  I does take a small drill tho.

  Good luck,

  Rickinmt.



From globalelaime at mymts.net  Sat Aug 12 10:16:40 2017
From: globalelaime at mymts.net (Aime)
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2017 12:16:40 -0500
Subject: [SEL] <No Subject>
Message-ID: <56.29.09141.2083F895@smtp02.mts.yyz.synacor.com>

Good thanks.

Sent from Sonim XP7



From rotigel at me.com  Sun Aug 13 18:45:00 2017
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave)
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2017 21:45:00 -0400
Subject: [SEL] When Our "Old Iron" Was New!
Message-ID: <9EA3AED9-3F5C-4DEA-A8FE-3A02F74E6883@me.com>

See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qb_YNZn_kaQ <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qb_YNZn_kaQ>

From cgandree at mchsi.com  Sun Aug 20 05:26:42 2017
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2017 08:26:42 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] JD 1 1/2 E mag & timing issues udate
In-Reply-To: <2118076317.9336613.1503231788348.JavaMail.zimbra@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <827130518.9336839.1503232002839.JavaMail.zimbra@mchsi.com>

Ok guys the mag was taken off again and recharged. Seems to be giving off a good spark but wondering if anyone knows what the voltage should be when turning over?
After getting some information from some of the boys at the Baraboo show about making sure that the push button pin will engage to help in timing the gears.  Not
sure what they are talking about as their engines were assembled and running.  Any good suggestions would be appreciated to help me get the old girl running again?
Thank you in advance,
Curt Andree


From wilson at stny.rr.com  Sun Aug 20 08:42:43 2017
From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson)
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2017 11:42:43 -0400
Subject: [SEL] JD 1 1/2 E mag & timing issues update
References: <4103D539-ACF2-4F6B-8CC5-C8EE277D9FDC@stny.rr.com>
Message-ID: <F268F0D0-0B47-490F-9D1C-EEF747191198@stny.rr.com>



Glenn Wilson
Endicott, NY
www.WilsonsWarbler.com

Begin forwarded message:

From: Glenn Wilson <wilson at stny.rr.com>
Date: August 20, 2017 at 9:15:28 AM EDT
To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Cc: Old eng list <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Subject: Re: [SEL] JD 1 1/2 E mag & timing issues udate

You now have me worried. My father gave me a 1 1/2 HP John Deere when I was in about 10th grade - about 1974. Let's see, 43 years ago! 

The igniter was missing and the mag was a disaster. I took the engine all apart and started painting it. Between then and now, the pieces have been moved all over. Fortunately I still live in the same house with the same garage and same two barns. 

During these years I did have a great mag guy redo the mag. I've forgot his name. He was on the SEL and used to go to Portland. I also think I somehow obtained a good igniter. 

At 59.5 years of age, I am changing from a hoarder into a more reasonable human. 

I spent two months this summer and fixed up my now-deceased father's 1966 Monarch 10ee lathe. I plan to put the John Deere together soon - maybe next summer. 




Glenn Wilson
Endicott, NY
www.WilsonsWarbler.com

On Aug 20, 2017, at 8:26 AM, cgandree at mchsi.com wrote:

Ok guys the mag was taken off again and recharged. Seems to be giving off a good spark but wondering if anyone knows what the voltage should be when turning over?
After getting some information from some of the boys at the Baraboo show about making sure that the push button pin will engage to help in timing the gears.  Not
sure what they are talking about as their engines were assembled and running.  Any good suggestions would be appreciated to help me get the old girl running again?
Thank you in advance,
Curt Andree
_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From ddotto at cableone.net  Sun Aug 20 08:58:02 2017
From: ddotto at cableone.net (Dave Otto)
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2017 09:58:02 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Spam> RE:  JD 1 1/2 E mag & timing issues udate
In-Reply-To: <827130518.9336839.1503232002839.JavaMail.zimbra@mchsi.com>
References: <2118076317.9336613.1503231788348.JavaMail.zimbra@mchsi.com>
	<827130518.9336839.1503232002839.JavaMail.zimbra@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <002201d319cd$1aec24f0$50c46ed0$@net>

Hi Curt

As I indicated before not only does the mag need to be timed to the engine
(which you have done) it also needs to be timed to the ignitor. The mag
develops AC voltage and the ignitor need to trip at peak voltage. This is
where the push button pin (or rivet) comes into play. The original magneto
end cover has two brass rivets located at 3 and 9 o'clock. There will also
be two arrows marked L & R, if you engine runs the normal direction you
should be using the rivet at 3 o'clock marked L. While turning the engine
over slowly and pressing on the L rivet, you should feel the rivet drop into
the detent in the back of the rotor. When the rivet drops into the detent
this is the point the mag is at max voltage and the point where the ignitor
needs to trip.

If you could spin the mag fast enough it will probably make about 7 volts
AC, mounted on the engine and spinning by hand I'm not sure you will be able
to get that much.

Dave


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
cgandree at mchsi.com
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 6:27 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list; Old eng list 
Subject: [SEL] JD 1 1/2 E mag & timing issues udate

Ok guys the mag was taken off again and recharged. Seems to be giving off a
good spark but wondering if anyone knows what the voltage should be when
turning over?
After getting some information from some of the boys at the Baraboo show
about making sure that the push button pin will engage to help in timing the
gears.  Not sure what they are talking about as their engines were assembled
and running.  Any good suggestions would be appreciated to help me get the
old girl running again?
Thank you in advance,
Curt Andree
_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From kkinney at herculesengines.com  Sun Aug 20 11:08:34 2017
From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (kkinney at herculesengines.com)
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2017 13:08:34 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Portland Hotel Room
In-Reply-To: <a4661bfc39914bafe6bf69219bde3c45.squirrel@mail.realprodata.com>
References: <a4661bfc39914bafe6bf69219bde3c45.squirrel@mail.realprodata.com>
Message-ID: <B483D136-79AF-4E00-BAD9-7CA576B7C34C@herculesengines.com>

Anybody need a room at the Portland Inn this week.  We?re going to give up our room and stay in the camp ground.  Let me know before I cancel the room this evening.
Keith
812-454-6757


From rotigel at me.com  Sun Aug 20 17:24:14 2017
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave)
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2017 20:24:14 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Portland
Message-ID: <AF0B5E1D-D0D2-4153-BF86-345D52C0356E@me.com>

The ATIS SEL/TRACTOR ?home away from home? will be set up at the usual spot at Portland in the engine area near the barn. Either set up there, or at least stop to say HI to everyone. Someone may even offer you a beer!
	Dave




From cgandree at mchsi.com  Mon Aug 21 07:45:29 2017
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2017 10:45:29 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Spam> RE:  JD 1 1/2 E mag & timing issues udate
In-Reply-To: <jStxdDFb2vlsRjStydPiTG>
Message-ID: <1509644643.9427117.1503326729268.JavaMail.zimbra@mchsi.com>

Dave what you said makes good sense and plan to try it this weekend.
In case I might have more questions could you give me your cell number?
Thanks,
Curt Andree
McConnell,IL
815-238-7316

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Otto" <ddotto at cableone.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:58:02 AM
Subject: [SEL] Spam> RE:  JD 1 1/2 E mag & timing issues udate

Hi Curt

As I indicated before not only does the mag need to be timed to the engine
(which you have done) it also needs to be timed to the ignitor. The mag
develops AC voltage and the ignitor need to trip at peak voltage. This is
where the push button pin (or rivet) comes into play. The original magneto
end cover has two brass rivets located at 3 and 9 o'clock. There will also
be two arrows marked L & R, if you engine runs the normal direction you
should be using the rivet at 3 o'clock marked L. While turning the engine
over slowly and pressing on the L rivet, you should feel the rivet drop into
the detent in the back of the rotor. When the rivet drops into the detent
this is the point the mag is at max voltage and the point where the ignitor
needs to trip.

If you could spin the mag fast enough it will probably make about 7 volts
AC, mounted on the engine and spinning by hand I'm not sure you will be able
to get that much.

Dave


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
cgandree at mchsi.com
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 6:27 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list; Old eng list 
Subject: [SEL] JD 1 1/2 E mag & timing issues udate

Ok guys the mag was taken off again and recharged. Seems to be giving off a
good spark but wondering if anyone knows what the voltage should be when
turning over?
After getting some information from some of the boys at the Baraboo show
about making sure that the push button pin will engage to help in timing the
gears.  Not sure what they are talking about as their engines were assembled
and running.  Any good suggestions would be appreciated to help me get the
old girl running again?
Thank you in advance,
Curt Andree
_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From cgandree at mchsi.com  Mon Aug 21 07:49:30 2017
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2017 10:49:30 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] JD 1 1/2 E mag & timing issues update
In-Reply-To: <jSXWdhfl2kjm0jSXadhhxJ>
Message-ID: <410079786.9427402.1503326970763.JavaMail.zimbra@mchsi.com>

Hey Glenn if you have any questions about parts or assembly feel free to contact me or call.  I do have a complete JD 1 1/2hp E parts manual and right now can take
pics of the inside of my engine since I have the top cover off.
Curt

----- Original Message -----
From: "Glenn Wilson" <wilson at stny.rr.com>
To: "SEL" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:42:43 AM
Subject: [SEL] JD 1 1/2 E mag & timing issues update



Glenn Wilson
Endicott, NY
www.WilsonsWarbler.com

Begin forwarded message:

From: Glenn Wilson <wilson at stny.rr.com>
Date: August 20, 2017 at 9:15:28 AM EDT
To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Cc: Old eng list <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Subject: Re: [SEL] JD 1 1/2 E mag & timing issues udate

You now have me worried. My father gave me a 1 1/2 HP John Deere when I was in about 10th grade - about 1974. Let's see, 43 years ago! 

The igniter was missing and the mag was a disaster. I took the engine all apart and started painting it. Between then and now, the pieces have been moved all over. Fortunately I still live in the same house with the same garage and same two barns. 

During these years I did have a great mag guy redo the mag. I've forgot his name. He was on the SEL and used to go to Portland. I also think I somehow obtained a good igniter. 

At 59.5 years of age, I am changing from a hoarder into a more reasonable human. 

I spent two months this summer and fixed up my now-deceased father's 1966 Monarch 10ee lathe. I plan to put the John Deere together soon - maybe next summer. 




Glenn Wilson
Endicott, NY
www.WilsonsWarbler.com

On Aug 20, 2017, at 8:26 AM, cgandree at mchsi.com wrote:

Ok guys the mag was taken off again and recharged. Seems to be giving off a good spark but wondering if anyone knows what the voltage should be when turning over?
After getting some information from some of the boys at the Baraboo show about making sure that the push button pin will engage to help in timing the gears.  Not
sure what they are talking about as their engines were assembled and running.  Any good suggestions would be appreciated to help me get the old girl running again?
Thank you in advance,
Curt Andree
_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From wilson at stny.rr.com  Mon Aug 21 09:33:32 2017
From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson)
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2017 12:33:32 -0400
Subject: [SEL] JD 1 1/2 E mag & timing issues update
In-Reply-To: <410079786.9427402.1503326970763.JavaMail.zimbra@mchsi.com>
References: <410079786.9427402.1503326970763.JavaMail.zimbra@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <FBD0A7E6-6540-4D3E-9B33-26AA7090D045@stny.rr.com>

Thanks Curt! I'll take you up on that. 

Glenn Wilson
Endicott, NY
www.WilsonsWarbler.com

On Aug 21, 2017, at 10:49 AM, cgandree at mchsi.com wrote:

Hey Glenn if you have any questions about parts or assembly feel free to contact me or call.  I do have a complete JD 1 1/2hp E parts manual and right now can take
pics of the inside of my engine since I have the top cover off.
Curt

----- Original Message -----
From: "Glenn Wilson" <wilson at stny.rr.com>
To: "SEL" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:42:43 AM
Subject: [SEL] JD 1 1/2 E mag & timing issues update



Glenn Wilson
Endicott, NY
www.WilsonsWarbler.com

Begin forwarded message:

From: Glenn Wilson <wilson at stny.rr.com>
Date: August 20, 2017 at 9:15:28 AM EDT
To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Cc: Old eng list <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Subject: Re: [SEL] JD 1 1/2 E mag & timing issues udate

You now have me worried. My father gave me a 1 1/2 HP John Deere when I was in about 10th grade - about 1974. Let's see, 43 years ago! 

The igniter was missing and the mag was a disaster. I took the engine all apart and started painting it. Between then and now, the pieces have been moved all over. Fortunately I still live in the same house with the same garage and same two barns. 

During these years I did have a great mag guy redo the mag. I've forgot his name. He was on the SEL and used to go to Portland. I also think I somehow obtained a good igniter. 

At 59.5 years of age, I am changing from a hoarder into a more reasonable human. 

I spent two months this summer and fixed up my now-deceased father's 1966 Monarch 10ee lathe. I plan to put the John Deere together soon - maybe next summer. 




Glenn Wilson
Endicott, NY
www.WilsonsWarbler.com

On Aug 20, 2017, at 8:26 AM, cgandree at mchsi.com wrote:

Ok guys the mag was taken off again and recharged. Seems to be giving off a good spark but wondering if anyone knows what the voltage should be when turning over?
After getting some information from some of the boys at the Baraboo show about making sure that the push button pin will engage to help in timing the gears.  Not
sure what they are talking about as their engines were assembled and running.  Any good suggestions would be appreciated to help me get the old girl running again?
Thank you in advance,
Curt Andree
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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Sat Aug 26 14:50:44 2017
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2017 17:50:44 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] John Deere 1 1/2hp E RUNS AGAIN
In-Reply-To: <1328748564.10025595.1503784013665.JavaMail.zimbra@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <1432023709.10025843.1503784244907.JavaMail.zimbra@mchsi.com>

Ok guys after several years of sitting with out any life today I got her to start and run just as she did several years ago.  With the help of you guys
on timing and settings after re-charging the magnets several times she took off and ran.  Now I can strip off all the old paint and re-paint her for
the last couple of engine shows this year.
A big THANK YOU to all who gave me good words of wisdom as she now runs again like a deer.
Curt Andree


From rdhaskell at juno.com  Mon Aug 28 10:13:30 2017
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2017 10:13:30 -0700
Subject: [SEL] IH LA
Message-ID: <AABN4JV6VAKDXKBJ@smtpout03.vgs.untd.com>

Hi all.
I need a "speed change hand lever" part #5267 for a IH LA (it is the same
for a LB), it seems it the pot metal end doesn't like a screw driver
using it for leverage to work a flywheel off.
Thanks


Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
https://plus.google.com/104862591013550196821/posts



From rotigel at me.com  Mon Aug 28 13:14:25 2017
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2017 16:14:25 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Could This Be Why..........
Message-ID: <0EB6ABF3-BA3A-4CD3-9FCD-83851C1C9D2A@me.com>

??a certain couple we all know and love from England were a ?No Show? at Portland this year? See: http://www.foxnews.com/lifestyle/2017/08/28/giant-kinky-sex-party-took-place-in-woods-and-residents-are-furious.html <http://www.foxnews.com/lifestyle/2017/08/28/giant-kinky-sex-party-took-place-in-woods-and-residents-are-furious.html>

From cgandree at mchsi.com  Wed Aug 30 07:33:17 2017
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 10:33:17 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] JD 1 1/2hp E mag diagram needed
In-Reply-To: <1182307709.10363128.1504103418920.JavaMail.zimbra@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <462493061.10363556.1504103597574.JavaMail.zimbra@mchsi.com>

Ok guys since I now have my old girl running I have stripped and repainted her.  I have a complete gasket kit but when it comes to the gasket & felt pad on the magnito I am unsure of
placement when re-assembling.  My manual doesn't show a clear picture of how to install the felt pad as it is a copy of a copy. I would be very grateful if someone could send me
a clear placement pic.
Thank you in advance,
Curt Andree


From rotigel at me.com  Wed Aug 30 14:04:47 2017
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 17:04:47 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Could This Be Why........
References: <006601d32190$7c43ed30$74cbc790$@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <64D28308-712E-49F7-80B8-C517285FEF72@me.com>

Dolly couldn?t post to Slick. But I thought everyone would be interested in her explanation of missing Portland.
	Dave


> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: Helen French <helen.french1 at virgin.net>
> Subject: RE: Could This Be Why........
> Date: August 30, 2017 at 9:04:16 AM EDT
> To: 'Slick List' <slick at tbbs.net>
> Cc: 'Dave' <rotigel at me.com>
> 
> I did answer this but it was another no-show.  I think the lists don?t work more than they DO work these days L
>  
> We were planning to go, Dave, but we heard the parking was going to be a nightmare!
> https://www.pressreader.com/uk/the-guardian/20170819/281694024894516 <https://www.pressreader.com/uk/the-guardian/20170819/281694024894516>
>  
> Dolly
> xx
>  
> From: Slick [mailto:slick-bounces at tbbs.net <mailto:slick-bounces at tbbs.net>] On Behalf Of Dave via Slick
> Sent: 28 August 2017 21:16
> To: Slick List <slick at tbbs.net <mailto:slick at tbbs.net>>
> Cc: Dave <rotigel at me.com <mailto:rotigel at me.com>>
> Subject: Could This Be Why........
>  
> ??a certain couple we all know and love from England were a ?No Show? at Portland this year? See: http://www.foxnews.com/lifestyle/2017/08/28/giant-kinky-sex-party-took-place-in-woods-and-residents-are-furious.html <http://www.foxnews.com/lifestyle/2017/08/28/giant-kinky-sex-party-took-place-in-woods-and-residents-are-furious.html>


From bigtime64 at hotmail.com  Tue Aug  1 10:01:04 2017
From: bigtime64 at hotmail.com (Ed Herreid)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2017 17:01:04 +0000
Subject: [SEL] John Deere 1 1/2hp E ignitor
In-Reply-To: <181728349.7437237.1501541470907.JavaMail.zimbra@mchsi.com>
References: <1570070982.7436992.1501541183376.JavaMail.zimbra@mchsi.com>,
	<181728349.7437237.1501541470907.JavaMail.zimbra@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <DM3PR16MB1084357B82DC7B98EC6924BAB4B30@DM3PR16MB1084.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>

Curt,


Pretty sure the points should be open.  When the igniter is tripped it closes quickly and then stays open.  Possibly one of the springs in reversed? If it is closed all the time the coil/mag is going to get hot.


Also common is the wiper on the mag part getting oily and slicked up and not making good contact.  Every once in a while I have to remove the little screw cap on top and take a pencil eraser with a rag covering and clean it up. Check the little contact on the end of the spring and clean it up if needed too.


Ed Herreid


________________________________
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com <sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com> on behalf of cgandree at mchsi.com <cgandree at mchsi.com>
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 10:51 PM
To: Old eng list ; The SEL email discussion list
Cc: cgandree at aol.com
Subject: [SEL] John Deere 1 1/2hp E ignitor

Ok guys I just rebuilt my magnito on my JD 1 1/2 E and charged it properly.  After putting it back on the engine and making sure
that the gears were at the marks as before I attempted to start the engine but no go.  I removed the ignitor and cleaned and oiled everything so
the it would trip properly. Tried to turn it over but still no go.  My question is, should the points on this ignitor be open or closed?  Mine
are closed.  Sure would likes some words of wisdom from the group.
Thank you in advance.
Curt Andree
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From gasenginetom at hotmail.com  Tue Aug  1 11:22:30 2017
From: gasenginetom at hotmail.com (Tom Winland)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2017 18:22:30 +0000
Subject: [SEL] John Deere 1 1/2hp E ignitor
In-Reply-To: <DM3PR16MB1084357B82DC7B98EC6924BAB4B30@DM3PR16MB1084.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
References: <1570070982.7436992.1501541183376.JavaMail.zimbra@mchsi.com>,
	<181728349.7437237.1501541470907.JavaMail.zimbra@mchsi.com>,
	<DM3PR16MB1084357B82DC7B98EC6924BAB4B30@DM3PR16MB1084.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <DM5PR06MB3034B07950A9A67F13391884C2B30@DM5PR06MB3034.namprd06.prod.outlook.com>

The point stay closed when using the mag and open when using a battery and coil

Tom Winland 
Aka GasEngineTom
Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 1, 2017, at 1:13 PM, Ed Herreid <bigtime64 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Curt,
> 
> 
> Pretty sure the points should be open.  When the igniter is tripped it closes quickly and then stays open.  Possibly one of the springs in reversed? If it is closed all the time the coil/mag is going to get hot.
> 
> 
> Also common is the wiper on the mag part getting oily and slicked up and not making good contact.  Every once in a while I have to remove the little screw cap on top and take a pencil eraser with a rag covering and clean it up. Check the little contact on the end of the spring and clean it up if needed too.
> 
> 
> Ed Herreid
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com <sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com> on behalf of cgandree at mchsi.com <cgandree at mchsi.com>
> Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 10:51 PM
> To: Old eng list ; The SEL email discussion list
> Cc: cgandree at aol.com
> Subject: [SEL] John Deere 1 1/2hp E ignitor
> 
> Ok guys I just rebuilt my magnito on my JD 1 1/2 E and charged it properly.  After putting it back on the engine and making sure
> that the gears were at the marks as before I attempted to start the engine but no go.  I removed the ignitor and cleaned and oiled everything so
> the it would trip properly. Tried to turn it over but still no go.  My question is, should the points on this ignitor be open or closed?  Mine
> are closed.  Sure would likes some words of wisdom from the group.
> Thank you in advance.
> Curt Andree
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From Lcjudge at scrtc.com  Tue Aug  1 11:42:25 2017
From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2017 14:42:25 -0400
Subject: [SEL] John Deere 1 1/2hp E ignitor
In-Reply-To: <DM5PR06MB3034B07950A9A67F13391884C2B30@DM5PR06MB3034.namprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <1570070982.7436992.1501541183376.JavaMail.zimbra@mchsi.com>,
	<181728349.7437237.1501541470907.JavaMail.zimbra@mchsi.com>,
	<DM3PR16MB1084357B82DC7B98EC6924BAB4B30@DM3PR16MB1084.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<DM5PR06MB3034B07950A9A67F13391884C2B30@DM5PR06MB3034.namprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <003b01d30af5$ec14fca0$c43ef5e0$@scrtc.com>

Tom is correct.  If using a mag the points should stay closed and only open
when the ignitor snaps.  If using a battery and coil the points should
always remain open and only close when the ignitor is tripped.

Tommy Turner



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tom Winland
Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2017 2:23 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] John Deere 1 1/2hp E ignitor

The point stay closed when using the mag and open when using a battery and
coil

Tom Winland
Aka GasEngineTom
Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 1, 2017, at 1:13 PM, Ed Herreid <bigtime64 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Curt,
> 
> 
> Pretty sure the points should be open.  When the igniter is tripped it
closes quickly and then stays open.  Possibly one of the springs in
reversed? If it is closed all the time the coil/mag is going to get hot.
> 
> 
> Also common is the wiper on the mag part getting oily and slicked up and
not making good contact.  Every once in a while I have to remove the little
screw cap on top and take a pencil eraser with a rag covering and clean it
up. Check the little contact on the end of the spring and clean it up if
needed too.
> 
> 
> Ed Herreid
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> <sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com> on behalf of 
> cgandree at mchsi.com <cgandree at mchsi.com>
> Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 10:51 PM
> To: Old eng list ; The SEL email discussion list
> Cc: cgandree at aol.com
> Subject: [SEL] John Deere 1 1/2hp E ignitor
> 
> Ok guys I just rebuilt my magnito on my JD 1 1/2 E and charged it 
> properly.  After putting it back on the engine and making sure that 
> the gears were at the marks as before I attempted to start the engine 
> but no go.  I removed the ignitor and cleaned and oiled everything so the
it would trip properly. Tried to turn it over but still no go.  My question
is, should the points on this ignitor be open or closed?  Mine are closed.
Sure would likes some words of wisdom from the group.
> Thank you in advance.
> Curt Andree
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> o/sel>
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postings to the list ...
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From jbcast at charter.net  Tue Aug  1 15:27:12 2017
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2017 16:27:12 -0600
Subject: [SEL] John Deere 1 1/2hp E ignitor
Message-ID: <ryTC1v00K4d2v1Q01yTCqa@charter.net>



	I worked on a 3HP for friend a few weeks ago. The ignitor on this one
was mag fired, it was held open by the outer spring, the trip lever
pushed the catch which wound a closing spring and closed the points
until it tripped and then fired. On this ignitor the closing spring
would work while turning over slowly, at cranking speed the points
would never close, the closing spring had to be wound tighter. It
wouldn't pop turning it over with a drill before repairs, started
first pull after. I don't see how this ignitor would work if the
points were closed, it would fire as soon as the trip lever started to
open them.

	------------------------------------From: "Judge Tommy Turner" 
To: "The SEL email discussion list"
Cc: 
Sent: 01-Aug-2017 18:47:34 +0000
Subject: Re: [SEL] John Deere 1 1/2hp E ignitor

 Tom is correct. If using a mag the points should stay closed and only
open
 when the ignitor snaps. If using a battery and coil the points should
 always remain open and only close when the ignitor is tripped.

 Tommy Turner

 -----Original Message-----
 From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
 [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tom
Winland
 Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2017 2:23 PM
 To: The SEL email discussion list
 Subject: Re: [SEL] John Deere 1 1/2hp E ignitor

 The point stay closed when using the mag and open when using a
battery and
 coil

 Tom Winland
 Aka GasEngineTom
 Sent from my iPhone

 > On Aug 1, 2017, at 1:13 PM, Ed Herreid  wrote:
 > 
 > Curt,
 > 
 > 
 > Pretty sure the points should be open. When the igniter is tripped
it
 closes quickly and then stays open. Possibly one of the springs in
 reversed? If it is closed all the time the coil/mag is going to get
hot.
 > 
 > 
 > Also common is the wiper on the mag part getting oily and slicked
up and
 not making good contact. Every once in a while I have to remove the
little
 screw cap on top and take a pencil eraser with a rag covering and
clean it
 up. Check the little contact on the end of the spring and clean it up
if
 needed too.
 > 
 > 
 > Ed Herreid
 > 
 > 
 > ________________________________
 > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
 >  on behalf of 
 > cgandree at mchsi.com 
 > Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 10:51 PM
 > To: Old eng list ; The SEL email discussion list
 > Cc: cgandree at aol.com
 > Subject: [SEL] John Deere 1 1/2hp E ignitor
 > 
 > Ok guys I just rebuilt my magnito on my JD 1 1/2 E and charged it 
 > properly. After putting it back on the engine and making sure that 
 > the gears were at the marks as before I attempted to start the
engine 
 > but no go. I removed the ignitor and cleaned and oiled everything
so the
 it would trip properly. Tried to turn it over but still no go. My
question
 is, should the points on this ignitor be open or closed? Mine are
closed.
 Sure would likes some words of wisdom from the group.
 > Thank you in advance.
 > Curt Andree
 > _______________________________________________
 > SEL mailing list
 > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
 >  > o/sel>
 > www.stationary-engine.com
 > This is the "the" SEL list. The home of the original email based
 disccusion list for stationary-engines. To see the collection of
prior
 postings to the list ...
 > 
 > 
 > 
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 >  
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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Tue Aug  1 15:39:11 2017
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2017 18:39:11 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] John Deere 1 1/2hp E ignitor
In-Reply-To: <cc0BddFbDb7kLcc0Edqnac>
Message-ID: <823467669.7551860.1501627151806.JavaMail.zimbra@mchsi.com>

Ok guys that's what I thought with a mag, which it has the original points should remain open.  After watch several youtube videos which also said points should be open I feel confident that now my timing might be off and will work on that.
Will let you all know.
Thank you very much.
Curt

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Winland" <gasenginetom at hotmail.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 1, 2017 1:22:30 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] John Deere 1 1/2hp E ignitor

The point stay closed when using the mag and open when using a battery and coil

Tom Winland 
Aka GasEngineTom
Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 1, 2017, at 1:13 PM, Ed Herreid <bigtime64 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Curt,
> 
> 
> Pretty sure the points should be open.  When the igniter is tripped it closes quickly and then stays open.  Possibly one of the springs in reversed? If it is closed all the time the coil/mag is going to get hot.
> 
> 
> Also common is the wiper on the mag part getting oily and slicked up and not making good contact.  Every once in a while I have to remove the little screw cap on top and take a pencil eraser with a rag covering and clean it up. Check the little contact on the end of the spring and clean it up if needed too.
> 
> 
> Ed Herreid
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com <sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com> on behalf of cgandree at mchsi.com <cgandree at mchsi.com>
> Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 10:51 PM
> To: Old eng list ; The SEL email discussion list
> Cc: cgandree at aol.com
> Subject: [SEL] John Deere 1 1/2hp E ignitor
> 
> Ok guys I just rebuilt my magnito on my JD 1 1/2 E and charged it properly.  After putting it back on the engine and making sure
> that the gears were at the marks as before I attempted to start the engine but no go.  I removed the ignitor and cleaned and oiled everything so
> the it would trip properly. Tried to turn it over but still no go.  My question is, should the points on this ignitor be open or closed?  Mine
> are closed.  Sure would likes some words of wisdom from the group.
> Thank you in advance.
> Curt Andree
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
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> www.stationary-engine.com
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> 
> 
> 
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From jimrit33 at hotmail.com  Tue Aug  1 16:21:59 2017
From: jimrit33 at hotmail.com (Jim Ritenour)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2017 23:21:59 +0000
Subject: [SEL] John Deere 1 1/2hp E ignitor
In-Reply-To: <003b01d30af5$ec14fca0$c43ef5e0$@scrtc.com>
References: <1570070982.7436992.1501541183376.JavaMail.zimbra@mchsi.com>,
	<181728349.7437237.1501541470907.JavaMail.zimbra@mchsi.com>,
	<DM3PR16MB1084357B82DC7B98EC6924BAB4B30@DM3PR16MB1084.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<DM5PR06MB3034B07950A9A67F13391884C2B30@DM5PR06MB3034.namprd06.prod.outlook.com>,
	<003b01d30af5$ec14fca0$c43ef5e0$@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <DM5PR13MB18500989BDDFB3413734A3C1CEB30@DM5PR13MB1850.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>

I saw you rebuilt the mag what exactly did you do? Did you have the bushings replaced? This can be tricky if your machine is not set up correctly.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 1, 2017, at 2:52 PM, Judge Tommy Turner <Lcjudge at scrtc.com> wrote:
> 
> Tom is correct.  If using a mag the points should stay closed and only open
> when the ignitor snaps.  If using a battery and coil the points should
> always remain open and only close when the ignitor is tripped.
> 
> Tommy Turner
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tom Winland
> Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2017 2:23 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] John Deere 1 1/2hp E ignitor
> 
> The point stay closed when using the mag and open when using a battery and
> coil
> 
> Tom Winland
> Aka GasEngineTom
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 1, 2017, at 1:13 PM, Ed Herreid <bigtime64 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Curt,
>> 
>> 
>> Pretty sure the points should be open.  When the igniter is tripped it
> closes quickly and then stays open.  Possibly one of the springs in
> reversed? If it is closed all the time the coil/mag is going to get hot.
>> 
>> 
>> Also common is the wiper on the mag part getting oily and slicked up and
> not making good contact.  Every once in a while I have to remove the little
> screw cap on top and take a pencil eraser with a rag covering and clean it
> up. Check the little contact on the end of the spring and clean it up if
> needed too.
>> 
>> 
>> Ed Herreid
>> 
>> 
>> ________________________________
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
>> <sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com> on behalf of 
>> cgandree at mchsi.com <cgandree at mchsi.com>
>> Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 10:51 PM
>> To: Old eng list ; The SEL email discussion list
>> Cc: cgandree at aol.com
>> Subject: [SEL] John Deere 1 1/2hp E ignitor
>> 
>> Ok guys I just rebuilt my magnito on my JD 1 1/2 E and charged it 
>> properly.  After putting it back on the engine and making sure that 
>> the gears were at the marks as before I attempted to start the engine 
>> but no go.  I removed the ignitor and cleaned and oiled everything so the
> it would trip properly. Tried to turn it over but still no go.  My question
> is, should the points on this ignitor be open or closed?  Mine are closed.
> Sure would likes some words of wisdom from the group.
>> Thank you in advance.
>> Curt Andree
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> disccusion list for stationary-engines. To see the collection of prior
> postings to the list ...
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>> 
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From fero_ah at verizon.net  Wed Aug  2 11:36:34 2017
From: fero_ah at verizon.net (Arnold Fero)
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2017 14:36:34 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Reg is Looking for Tom Ball
Message-ID: <15da43c30c2-1638-3bc24@webprd-m39.mail.aol.com>


Hiya Folks,

Reg is in Merry Olde England and really needs to get in touch with Tom Ball.

If anyone has contact info for Tom, please pass it along to Reg.

Tom, if you see this, please contact Reg.

Arnie


From stb440 at aol.com  Wed Aug  2 11:51:31 2017
From: stb440 at aol.com (Tom)
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2017 14:51:31 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Reg is Looking for Tom Ball
In-Reply-To: <02B7530A-071B-4858-A455-2D6DE9F28F74@aol.com>
References: <15da43c30c2-1638-3bc24@webprd-m39.mail.aol.com>
	<02B7530A-071B-4858-A455-2D6DE9F28F74@aol.com>
Message-ID: <48A25C95-47DE-4552-A568-6B723ABAC589@aol.com>

Wonder why he didn't email me. I was in Salt Lake City Utah for a week visiting family.   

Tom

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 2, 2017, at 2:49 PM, Tom <stb440 at aol.com> wrote:
> 
> Will do Arnie. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 2, 2017, at 2:36 PM, Arnold Fero <fero_ah at verizon.net> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hiya Folks,
>> 
>> Reg is in Merry Olde England and really needs to get in touch with Tom Ball.
>> 
>> If anyone has contact info for Tom, please pass it along to Reg.
>> 
>> Tom, if you see this, please contact Reg.
>> 
>> Arnie
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Aug  2 12:08:31 2017
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2017 15:08:31 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Reg is Looking for Tom Ball
In-Reply-To: <48A25C95-47DE-4552-A568-6B723ABAC589@aol.com>
References: <15da43c30c2-1638-3bc24@webprd-m39.mail.aol.com>
	<02B7530A-071B-4858-A455-2D6DE9F28F74@aol.com>
	<48A25C95-47DE-4552-A568-6B723ABAC589@aol.com>
Message-ID: <004f4b519b910be846e32942272a5de5.squirrel@mail.realprodata.com>

Well Tom, this IS Reggie after all...  8-))

On Wed, August 2, 2017 2:51 pm, Tom wrote:
> Wonder why he didn't email me. I was in Salt Lake City Utah for a week
> visiting family.
>
> Tom
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Aug 2, 2017, at 2:49 PM, Tom <stb440 at aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> Will do Arnie.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>





From asouth42 at embarqmail.com  Wed Aug  2 19:51:24 2017
From: asouth42 at embarqmail.com (Arthur Southwell)
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2017 22:51:24 -0400
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Re:  John Deere 1 1/2hp E ignitor
In-Reply-To: <ryTC1v00K4d2v1Q01yTCqa@charter.net>
References: <ryTC1v00K4d2v1Q01yTCqa@charter.net>
Message-ID: <68BA0886C71F48E59FFB0512BBD3F0EE@Arthur3>

JB,
Glad to see you are still around. Keep hoping I'll get back thru your part 
of LA to say hello. Since my father-in-law died, I don't get back to 
Portland show to see any of you fellows and ladies.

Hope all is well with you.

Arthur Southwell

Arcadia, FL 34266
asouth42 at embarqmail.com

-----Original Message----- 
From: jbcast at charter.net
Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2017 6:27 PM
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: Re: [SEL] John Deere 1 1/2hp E ignitor





From cgandree at mchsi.com  Sun Aug  6 03:44:58 2017
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2017 06:44:58 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] John Deere 1 1/2hp E ignitor
In-Reply-To: <cgfIdh0RDb7kLcgfLdt1nj>
Message-ID: <1194628756.7977934.1502016298210.JavaMail.zimbra@mchsi.com>

Jim I purchased a complete new housing that had new bearings, etc. Then re-assembled and charged the magnets.
I am leaning towards my timing is off and need to make those adjustments.  Hopefully get it running again soon.
Thanks,
Curt

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Ritenour" <jimrit33 at hotmail.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 1, 2017 6:21:59 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] John Deere 1 1/2hp E ignitor

I saw you rebuilt the mag what exactly did you do? Did you have the bushings replaced? This can be tricky if your machine is not set up correctly.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 1, 2017, at 2:52 PM, Judge Tommy Turner <Lcjudge at scrtc.com> wrote:
> 
> Tom is correct.  If using a mag the points should stay closed and only open
> when the ignitor snaps.  If using a battery and coil the points should
> always remain open and only close when the ignitor is tripped.
> 
> Tommy Turner
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tom Winland
> Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2017 2:23 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] John Deere 1 1/2hp E ignitor
> 
> The point stay closed when using the mag and open when using a battery and
> coil
> 
> Tom Winland
> Aka GasEngineTom
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 1, 2017, at 1:13 PM, Ed Herreid <bigtime64 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Curt,
>> 
>> 
>> Pretty sure the points should be open.  When the igniter is tripped it
> closes quickly and then stays open.  Possibly one of the springs in
> reversed? If it is closed all the time the coil/mag is going to get hot.
>> 
>> 
>> Also common is the wiper on the mag part getting oily and slicked up and
> not making good contact.  Every once in a while I have to remove the little
> screw cap on top and take a pencil eraser with a rag covering and clean it
> up. Check the little contact on the end of the spring and clean it up if
> needed too.
>> 
>> 
>> Ed Herreid
>> 
>> 
>> ________________________________
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
>> <sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com> on behalf of 
>> cgandree at mchsi.com <cgandree at mchsi.com>
>> Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 10:51 PM
>> To: Old eng list ; The SEL email discussion list
>> Cc: cgandree at aol.com
>> Subject: [SEL] John Deere 1 1/2hp E ignitor
>> 
>> Ok guys I just rebuilt my magnito on my JD 1 1/2 E and charged it 
>> properly.  After putting it back on the engine and making sure that 
>> the gears were at the marks as before I attempted to start the engine 
>> but no go.  I removed the ignitor and cleaned and oiled everything so the
> it would trip properly. Tried to turn it over but still no go.  My question
> is, should the points on this ignitor be open or closed?  Mine are closed.
> Sure would likes some words of wisdom from the group.
>> Thank you in advance.
>> Curt Andree
>> _______________________________________________
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>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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>> o/sel>
>> www.stationary-engine.com
>> This is the "the" SEL list. The home of the original email based
> disccusion list for stationary-engines. To see the collection of prior
> postings to the list ...
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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From jbcast at charter.net  Sun Aug  6 04:18:07 2017
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2017 05:18:07 -0600
Subject: [SEL] John Deere 1 1/2hp E ignitor
Message-ID: <tnJ71v0053FVrws01nJ7Hm@charter.net>

Have you tried battery and coil to be sure everything else is OK?
J.B.

	-----------------------------------------From: cgandree at mchsi.com
To: "The SEL email discussion list"
Cc: 
Sent: 06-Aug-2017 10:47:07 +0000
Subject: Re: [SEL] John Deere 1 1/2hp E ignitor

 Jim I purchased a complete new housing that had new bearings, etc.
Then re-assembled and charged the magnets.
 I am leaning towards my timing is off and need to make those
adjustments. Hopefully get it running again soon.
 Thanks,
 Curt

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: "Jim Ritenour" 
 To: "The SEL email discussion list" 
 Sent: Tuesday, August 1, 2017 6:21:59 PM
 Subject: Re: [SEL] John Deere 1 1/2hp E ignitor

 I saw you rebuilt the mag what exactly did you do? Did you have the
bushings replaced? This can be tricky if your machine is not set up
correctly.

 Sent from my iPhone

 > On Aug 1, 2017, at 2:52 PM, Judge Tommy Turner  wrote:
 > 
 > Tom is correct. If using a mag the points should stay closed and
only open
 > when the ignitor snaps. If using a battery and coil the points
should
 > always remain open and only close when the ignitor is tripped.
 > 
 > Tommy Turner
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > -----Original Message-----
 > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
 > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tom
Winland
 > Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2017 2:23 PM
 > To: The SEL email discussion list
 > Subject: Re: [SEL] John Deere 1 1/2hp E ignitor
 > 
 > The point stay closed when using the mag and open when using a
battery and
 > coil
 > 
 > Tom Winland
 > Aka GasEngineTom
 > Sent from my iPhone
 > 
 >> On Aug 1, 2017, at 1:13 PM, Ed Herreid  wrote:
 >> 
 >> Curt,
 >> 
 >> 
 >> Pretty sure the points should be open. When the igniter is tripped
it
 > closes quickly and then stays open. Possibly one of the springs in
 > reversed? If it is closed all the time the coil/mag is going to get
hot.
 >> 
 >> 
 >> Also common is the wiper on the mag part getting oily and slicked
up and
 > not making good contact. Every once in a while I have to remove the
little
 > screw cap on top and take a pencil eraser with a rag covering and
clean it
 > up. Check the little contact on the end of the spring and clean it
up if
 > needed too.
 >> 
 >> 
 >> Ed Herreid
 >> 
 >> 
 >> ________________________________
 >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
 >>  on behalf of 
 >> cgandree at mchsi.com 
 >> Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 10:51 PM
 >> To: Old eng list ; The SEL email discussion list
 >> Cc: cgandree at aol.com
 >> Subject: [SEL] John Deere 1 1/2hp E ignitor
 >> 
 >> Ok guys I just rebuilt my magnito on my JD 1 1/2 E and charged it 
 >> properly. After putting it back on the engine and making sure that

 >> the gears were at the marks as before I attempted to start the
engine 
 >> but no go. I removed the ignitor and cleaned and oiled everything
so the
 > it would trip properly. Tried to turn it over but still no go. My
question
 > is, should the points on this ignitor be open or closed? Mine are
closed.
 > Sure would likes some words of wisdom from the group.
 >> Thank you in advance.
 >> Curt Andree
 >> _______________________________________________
 >> SEL mailing list
 >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
 >>  >> o/sel>
 >> www.stationary-engine.com
 >> This is the "the" SEL list. The home of the original email based
 > disccusion list for stationary-engines. To see the collection of
prior
 > postings to the list ...
 >> 
 >> 
 >> 
 >> _______________________________________________
 >> SEL mailing list
 >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
 >>  > 
 > _______________________________________________
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 > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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 SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com



From rotigel at me.com  Wed Aug  9 11:16:31 2017
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave)
Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2017 14:16:31 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Advice From A Good Friend (OT?)
Message-ID: <320D05BF-5077-48C3-A6F8-A12153737DC5@me.com>

"Most folks haven't thought about such topics since the peak of saber-rattling during the
Cold War with the USSR.  But with the wack-job in North Korea getting more and more
unhinged, it might be worth a quick review of some good, basic advice for improving
survival 

http://metro.co.uk/2017/08/09/five-steps-to-take-if-nuclear-war-breaks-out-in-fire-and-fury-6839736/ <http://metro.co.uk/2017/08/09/five-steps-to-take-if-nuclear-war-breaks-out-in-fire-and-fury-6839736/>

https://www.ready.gov/nuclear-blast <https://www.ready.gov/nuclear-blast>

A couple of items not mentioned in the advice are having a working Geiger counter (used to
check food and water for radioactive contamination and for avoiding areas with high radiation
levels) and, of course, one?s choice of SHTF firearms and ammunition.?

I really do not want this to be totally OT, so I would add that all old iron should be washed off before using!
	Dave




From cgandree at mchsi.com  Thu Aug 10 06:28:06 2017
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2017 09:28:06 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] John Deere 1 1/2hp E ignitor
In-Reply-To: <eJoBdod9whGDGeJoDdPz7g>
Message-ID: <1864329289.8380691.1502371686145.JavaMail.zimbra@mchsi.com>

Not yet John, but that's an idea I hadn't tried.  However, there is small engine show this weekend nearby and many of my engine goroos will be there so plan to take the old girl
and seek help.
Thanks,
Curt

----- Original Message -----
From: jbcast at charter.net
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 6, 2017 6:18:07 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] John Deere 1 1/2hp E ignitor

Have you tried battery and coil to be sure everything else is OK?
J.B.

	-----------------------------------------From: cgandree at mchsi.com
To: "The SEL email discussion list"
Cc: 
Sent: 06-Aug-2017 10:47:07 +0000
Subject: Re: [SEL] John Deere 1 1/2hp E ignitor

 Jim I purchased a complete new housing that had new bearings, etc.
Then re-assembled and charged the magnets.
 I am leaning towards my timing is off and need to make those
adjustments. Hopefully get it running again soon.
 Thanks,
 Curt

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: "Jim Ritenour" 
 To: "The SEL email discussion list" 
 Sent: Tuesday, August 1, 2017 6:21:59 PM
 Subject: Re: [SEL] John Deere 1 1/2hp E ignitor

 I saw you rebuilt the mag what exactly did you do? Did you have the
bushings replaced? This can be tricky if your machine is not set up
correctly.

 Sent from my iPhone

 > On Aug 1, 2017, at 2:52 PM, Judge Tommy Turner  wrote:
 > 
 > Tom is correct. If using a mag the points should stay closed and
only open
 > when the ignitor snaps. If using a battery and coil the points
should
 > always remain open and only close when the ignitor is tripped.
 > 
 > Tommy Turner
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > -----Original Message-----
 > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
 > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tom
Winland
 > Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2017 2:23 PM
 > To: The SEL email discussion list
 > Subject: Re: [SEL] John Deere 1 1/2hp E ignitor
 > 
 > The point stay closed when using the mag and open when using a
battery and
 > coil
 > 
 > Tom Winland
 > Aka GasEngineTom
 > Sent from my iPhone
 > 
 >> On Aug 1, 2017, at 1:13 PM, Ed Herreid  wrote:
 >> 
 >> Curt,
 >> 
 >> 
 >> Pretty sure the points should be open. When the igniter is tripped
it
 > closes quickly and then stays open. Possibly one of the springs in
 > reversed? If it is closed all the time the coil/mag is going to get
hot.
 >> 
 >> 
 >> Also common is the wiper on the mag part getting oily and slicked
up and
 > not making good contact. Every once in a while I have to remove the
little
 > screw cap on top and take a pencil eraser with a rag covering and
clean it
 > up. Check the little contact on the end of the spring and clean it
up if
 > needed too.
 >> 
 >> 
 >> Ed Herreid
 >> 
 >> 
 >> ________________________________
 >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
 >>  on behalf of 
 >> cgandree at mchsi.com 
 >> Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 10:51 PM
 >> To: Old eng list ; The SEL email discussion list
 >> Cc: cgandree at aol.com
 >> Subject: [SEL] John Deere 1 1/2hp E ignitor
 >> 
 >> Ok guys I just rebuilt my magnito on my JD 1 1/2 E and charged it 
 >> properly. After putting it back on the engine and making sure that

 >> the gears were at the marks as before I attempted to start the
engine 
 >> but no go. I removed the ignitor and cleaned and oiled everything
so the
 > it would trip properly. Tried to turn it over but still no go. My
question
 > is, should the points on this ignitor be open or closed? Mine are
closed.
 > Sure would likes some words of wisdom from the group.
 >> Thank you in advance.
 >> Curt Andree
 >> _______________________________________________
 >> SEL mailing list
 >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
 >>  >> o/sel>
 >> www.stationary-engine.com
 >> This is the "the" SEL list. The home of the original email based
 > disccusion list for stationary-engines. To see the collection of
prior
 > postings to the list ...
 >> 
 >> 
 >> 
 >> _______________________________________________
 >> SEL mailing list
 >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
 >>  > 
 > _______________________________________________
 > SEL mailing list
 > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
 >  _______________________________________________
 SEL mailing list
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From ddotto at cableone.net  Thu Aug 10 17:17:34 2017
From: ddotto at cableone.net (Dave Otto)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2017 18:17:34 -0600
Subject: [SEL] John Deere 1 1/2hp E ignitor
In-Reply-To: <1864329289.8380691.1502371686145.JavaMail.zimbra@mchsi.com>
References: <eJoBdod9whGDGeJoDdPz7g>
	<1864329289.8380691.1502371686145.JavaMail.zimbra@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <008001d31237$3bb2c830$b3185890$@net>

Hi Curt

A couple things maybe you haven't tried. While cranking the engine as fast
as you can rub the mag wire over the springs on the ignitor and you should
get some nice sparks, as long as they're not covered with paint. Also the
timing of the ignitor trip to the position of the armature is very
important. At the point your ignitor trips the little rivet in the rear mag
cover needs to drop into the detent of the armature. Even the slop in the
bolt holes of the ignitor can mess up the timing if you remove and
re-install the ignitor. 

Many years ago I struggled with my JD and two things caused me problems; I
added too much oil in the rear cup and fouled the collector ring, which
someone has already mentioned. And the timing between the mag and ignitor.

I hope this may help,
Dave



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
cgandree at mchsi.com
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 7:28 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] John Deere 1 1/2hp E ignitor

Not yet John, but that's an idea I hadn't tried.  However, there is small
engine show this weekend nearby and many of my engine goroos will be there
so plan to take the old girl and seek help.
Thanks,
Curt

----- Original Message -----
From: jbcast at charter.net
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 6, 2017 6:18:07 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] John Deere 1 1/2hp E ignitor

Have you tried battery and coil to be sure everything else is OK?
J.B.

	-----------------------------------------From: cgandree at mchsi.com
To: "The SEL email discussion list"
Cc: 
Sent: 06-Aug-2017 10:47:07 +0000
Subject: Re: [SEL] John Deere 1 1/2hp E ignitor

 Jim I purchased a complete new housing that had new bearings, etc.
Then re-assembled and charged the magnets.
 I am leaning towards my timing is off and need to make those adjustments.
Hopefully get it running again soon.
 Thanks,
 Curt

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: "Jim Ritenour" 
 To: "The SEL email discussion list" 
 Sent: Tuesday, August 1, 2017 6:21:59 PM
 Subject: Re: [SEL] John Deere 1 1/2hp E ignitor

 I saw you rebuilt the mag what exactly did you do? Did you have the
bushings replaced? This can be tricky if your machine is not set up
correctly.

 Sent from my iPhone

 > On Aug 1, 2017, at 2:52 PM, Judge Tommy Turner  wrote:
 >
 > Tom is correct. If using a mag the points should stay closed and only
open  > when the ignitor snaps. If using a battery and coil the points
should  > always remain open and only close when the ignitor is tripped.
 >
 > Tommy Turner
 >
 >
 >
 > -----Original Message-----
 > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
 > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tom Winland
> Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2017 2:23 PM  > To: The SEL email discussion
list  > Subject: Re: [SEL] John Deere 1 1/2hp E ignitor  >  > The point stay
closed when using the mag and open when using a battery and  > coil  >  >
Tom Winland  > Aka GasEngineTom  > Sent from my iPhone  >  >> On Aug 1,
2017, at 1:13 PM, Ed Herreid  wrote:
 >>
 >> Curt,
 >>
 >>
 >> Pretty sure the points should be open. When the igniter is tripped it  >
closes quickly and then stays open. Possibly one of the springs in  >
reversed? If it is closed all the time the coil/mag is going to get hot.
 >>
 >>
 >> Also common is the wiper on the mag part getting oily and slicked up and
> not making good contact. Every once in a while I have to remove the little
> screw cap on top and take a pencil eraser with a rag covering and clean it
> up. Check the little contact on the end of the spring and clean it up if
> needed too.
 >>
 >>
 >> Ed Herreid
 >>
 >>
 >> ________________________________
 >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
 >>  on behalf of
 >> cgandree at mchsi.com
 >> Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 10:51 PM  >> To: Old eng list ; The SEL
email discussion list  >> Cc: cgandree at aol.com  >> Subject: [SEL] John Deere
1 1/2hp E ignitor  >>  >> Ok guys I just rebuilt my magnito on my JD 1 1/2 E
and charged it  >> properly. After putting it back on the engine and making
sure that

 >> the gears were at the marks as before I attempted to start the engine
>> but no go. I removed the ignitor and cleaned and oiled everything so the
> it would trip properly. Tried to turn it over but still no go. My question
> is, should the points on this ignitor be open or closed? Mine are closed.
 > Sure would likes some words of wisdom from the group.
 >> Thank you in advance.
 >> Curt Andree
 >> _______________________________________________
 >> SEL mailing list
 >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
 >>  >> o/sel>
 >> www.stationary-engine.com
 >> This is the "the" SEL list. The home of the original email based  >
disccusion list for stationary-engines. To see the collection of prior  >
postings to the list ...
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >> _______________________________________________
 >> SEL mailing list
 >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
 >>  >
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From rotigel at me.com  Thu Aug 10 17:54:13 2017
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2017 20:54:13 -0400
Subject: [SEL] John Deere 1 1/2hp E ignitor
In-Reply-To: <008001d31237$3bb2c830$b3185890$@net>
References: <eJoBdod9whGDGeJoDdPz7g@mac.com>
	<1864329289.8380691.1502371686145.JavaMail.zimbra@mchsi.com>
	<008001d31237$3bb2c830$b3185890$@net>
Message-ID: <3A5F56A2-CC4E-4439-B37A-EECC10204327@me.com>

Curt,
	Just get an unsuspecting kid in the neighborhood to hold the wire and then spin the flywheels. (Younger kids are better and can be used several times. Older kids can only be used once! The same is true for woman?I learned that from my X-wife!)  No need to even look for a spark, you will know if the mag is working. I used to use this method to test my mags, but the kid next door (and my X) finally moved away!
	Dave

> On Aug 10, 2017, at 8:17 PM, Dave Otto <ddotto at cableone.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi Curt
> 
> A couple things maybe you haven't tried. While cranking the engine as fast
> as you can rub the mag wire over the springs on the ignitor and you should
> get some nice sparks, as long as they're not covered with paint. Also the
> timing of the ignitor trip to the position of the armature is very
> important. At the point your ignitor trips the little rivet in the rear mag
> cover needs to drop into the detent of the armature. Even the slop in the
> bolt holes of the ignitor can mess up the timing if you remove and
> re-install the ignitor. 
> 
> Many years ago I struggled with my JD and two things caused me problems; I
> added too much oil in the rear cup and fouled the collector ring, which
> someone has already mentioned. And the timing between the mag and ignitor.
> 
> I hope this may help,
> Dave
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
> cgandree at mchsi.com
> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 7:28 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] John Deere 1 1/2hp E ignitor
> 
> Not yet John, but that's an idea I hadn't tried.  However, there is small
> engine show this weekend nearby and many of my engine goroos will be there
> so plan to take the old girl and seek help.
> Thanks,
> Curt
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: jbcast at charter.net
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Sunday, August 6, 2017 6:18:07 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] John Deere 1 1/2hp E ignitor
> 
> Have you tried battery and coil to be sure everything else is OK?
> J.B.
> 
> 	-----------------------------------------From: cgandree at mchsi.com
> To: "The SEL email discussion list"
> Cc: 
> Sent: 06-Aug-2017 10:47:07 +0000
> Subject: Re: [SEL] John Deere 1 1/2hp E ignitor
> 
> Jim I purchased a complete new housing that had new bearings, etc.
> Then re-assembled and charged the magnets.
> I am leaning towards my timing is off and need to make those adjustments.
> Hopefully get it running again soon.
> Thanks,
> Curt
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Ritenour" 
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" 
> Sent: Tuesday, August 1, 2017 6:21:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] John Deere 1 1/2hp E ignitor
> 
> I saw you rebuilt the mag what exactly did you do? Did you have the
> bushings replaced? This can be tricky if your machine is not set up
> correctly.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 1, 2017, at 2:52 PM, Judge Tommy Turner  wrote:
>> 
>> Tom is correct. If using a mag the points should stay closed and only
> open  > when the ignitor snaps. If using a battery and coil the points
> should  > always remain open and only close when the ignitor is tripped.
>> 
>> Tommy Turner
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tom Winland
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2017 2:23 PM  > To: The SEL email discussion
> list  > Subject: Re: [SEL] John Deere 1 1/2hp E ignitor  >  > The point stay
> closed when using the mag and open when using a battery and  > coil  >  >
> Tom Winland  > Aka GasEngineTom  > Sent from my iPhone  >  >> On Aug 1,
> 2017, at 1:13 PM, Ed Herreid  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Curt,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Pretty sure the points should be open. When the igniter is tripped it  >
> closes quickly and then stays open. Possibly one of the springs in  >
> reversed? If it is closed all the time the coil/mag is going to get hot.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Also common is the wiper on the mag part getting oily and slicked up and
>> not making good contact. Every once in a while I have to remove the little
>> screw cap on top and take a pencil eraser with a rag covering and clean it
>> up. Check the little contact on the end of the spring and clean it up if
>> needed too.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Ed Herreid
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> on behalf of
>>> cgandree at mchsi.com
>>> Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 10:51 PM  >> To: Old eng list ; The SEL
> email discussion list  >> Cc: cgandree at aol.com  >> Subject: [SEL] John Deere
> 1 1/2hp E ignitor  >>  >> Ok guys I just rebuilt my magnito on my JD 1 1/2 E
> and charged it  >> properly. After putting it back on the engine and making
> sure that
> 
>>> the gears were at the marks as before I attempted to start the engine
>>> but no go. I removed the ignitor and cleaned and oiled everything so the
>> it would trip properly. Tried to turn it over but still no go. My question
>> is, should the points on this ignitor be open or closed? Mine are closed.
>> Sure would likes some words of wisdom from the group.
>>> Thank you in advance.
>>> Curt Andree
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>>> o/sel>
>>> www.stationary-engine.com
>>> This is the "the" SEL list. The home of the original email based  >
> disccusion list for stationary-engines. To see the collection of prior  >
> postings to the list ...
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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From kosh at ncweb.com  Fri Aug 11 06:51:59 2017
From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2017 09:51:59 -0400
Subject: [SEL] 3 HP IH M Ignitor pushrod spring - Re: John Deere 1 1/2hp E
 ignitor
In-Reply-To: <008001d31237$3bb2c830$b3185890$@net>
References: <eJoBdod9whGDGeJoDdPz7g>
	<1864329289.8380691.1502371686145.JavaMail.zimbra@mchsi.com>
	<008001d31237$3bb2c830$b3185890$@net>
Message-ID: <5438ea58-e7c7-c568-fd58-97b416e9c918@ncweb.com>

Our IH 3 HP M came home without the long spring that holds down the 
ignitor pushrod.  Apparently got knocked off during loading. This spring 
runs from the middle of the pushrod, down to a tab at the bottom of the 
ignitor bracket. Not having it causes the pawl to lift off the ignitor 
lever early, and the engine kicks back.

Is there a source for the correct spring, as opposed to using a generic 
spring?

Thanks,
Dave Merchant
YT: Steamcrane
kosh at ncweb.com

On 8/10/2017 8:17 PM, Dave Otto wrote:
> Hi Curt
>
> A couple things maybe you haven't tried. While cranking the engine as fast
> as you can rub the mag wire over the springs on the ignitor and you should
> get some nice sparks, as long as they're not covered with paint. Also the
> timing of the ignitor trip to the position of the armature is very
> important. At the point your ignitor trips the little rivet in the rear mag
> cover needs to drop into the detent of the armature. Even the slop in the
> bolt holes of the ignitor can mess up the timing if you remove and
> re-install the ignitor.
>
> Many years ago I struggled with my JD and two things caused me problems; I
> added too much oil in the rear cup and fouled the collector ring, which
> someone has already mentioned. And the timing between the mag and ignitor.
>
> I hope this may help,
> Dave
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
> cgandree at mchsi.com
> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 7:28 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] John Deere 1 1/2hp E ignitor
>
> Not yet John, but that's an idea I hadn't tried.  However, there is small
> engine show this weekend nearby and many of my engine goroos will be there
> so plan to take the old girl and seek help.
> Thanks,
> Curt
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: jbcast at charter.net
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Sunday, August 6, 2017 6:18:07 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] John Deere 1 1/2hp E ignitor
>
> Have you tried battery and coil to be sure everything else is OK?
> J.B.
>
> 	-----------------------------------------From: cgandree at mchsi.com
> To: "The SEL email discussion list"
> Cc:
> Sent: 06-Aug-2017 10:47:07 +0000
> Subject: Re: [SEL] John Deere 1 1/2hp E ignitor
>
>   Jim I purchased a complete new housing that had new bearings, etc.
> Then re-assembled and charged the magnets.
>   I am leaning towards my timing is off and need to make those adjustments.
> Hopefully get it running again soon.
>   Thanks,
>   Curt
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: "Jim Ritenour"
>   To: "The SEL email discussion list"
>   Sent: Tuesday, August 1, 2017 6:21:59 PM
>   Subject: Re: [SEL] John Deere 1 1/2hp E ignitor
>
>   I saw you rebuilt the mag what exactly did you do? Did you have the
> bushings replaced? This can be tricky if your machine is not set up
> correctly.
>
>   Sent from my iPhone
>
>   > On Aug 1, 2017, at 2:52 PM, Judge Tommy Turner  wrote:
>   >
>   > Tom is correct. If using a mag the points should stay closed and only
> open  > when the ignitor snaps. If using a battery and coil the points
> should  > always remain open and only close when the ignitor is tripped.
>   >
>   > Tommy Turner
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   > -----Original Message-----
>   > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>   > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tom Winland
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2017 2:23 PM  > To: The SEL email discussion
> list  > Subject: Re: [SEL] John Deere 1 1/2hp E ignitor  >  > The point stay
> closed when using the mag and open when using a battery and  > coil  >  >
> Tom Winland  > Aka GasEngineTom  > Sent from my iPhone  >  >> On Aug 1,
> 2017, at 1:13 PM, Ed Herreid  wrote:
>   >>
>   >> Curt,
>   >>
>   >>
>   >> Pretty sure the points should be open. When the igniter is tripped it  >
> closes quickly and then stays open. Possibly one of the springs in  >
> reversed? If it is closed all the time the coil/mag is going to get hot.
>   >>
>   >>
>   >> Also common is the wiper on the mag part getting oily and slicked up and
>> not making good contact. Every once in a while I have to remove the little
>> screw cap on top and take a pencil eraser with a rag covering and clean it
>> up. Check the little contact on the end of the spring and clean it up if
>> needed too.
>   >>
>   >>
>   >> Ed Herreid
>   >>
>   >>
>   >> ________________________________
>   >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>   >>  on behalf of
>   >> cgandree at mchsi.com
>   >> Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 10:51 PM  >> To: Old eng list ; The SEL
> email discussion list  >> Cc: cgandree at aol.com  >> Subject: [SEL] John Deere
> 1 1/2hp E ignitor  >>  >> Ok guys I just rebuilt my magnito on my JD 1 1/2 E
> and charged it  >> properly. After putting it back on the engine and making
> sure that
>
>   >> the gears were at the marks as before I attempted to start the engine
>>> but no go. I removed the ignitor and cleaned and oiled everything so the
>> it would trip properly. Tried to turn it over but still no go. My question
>> is, should the points on this ignitor be open or closed? Mine are closed.
>   > Sure would likes some words of wisdom from the group.
>   >> Thank you in advance.
>   >> Curt Andree
>   >> _______________________________________________
>   >> SEL mailing list
>   >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>   >>  >> o/sel>
>   >> www.stationary-engine.com
>   >> This is the "the" SEL list. The home of the original email based  >
> disccusion list for stationary-engines. To see the collection of prior  >
> postings to the list ...
>   >>
>   >>
>   >>
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From richard_strobel7 at msn.com  Fri Aug 11 15:53:25 2017
From: richard_strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2017 22:53:25 +0000
Subject: [SEL] John Deere 1 1/2hp E ignitor
In-Reply-To: <3A5F56A2-CC4E-4439-B37A-EECC10204327@me.com>
References: <eJoBdod9whGDGeJoDdPz7g@mac.com>
	<1864329289.8380691.1502371686145.JavaMail.zimbra@mchsi.com>
	<008001d31237$3bb2c830$b3185890$@net>,
	<3A5F56A2-CC4E-4439-B37A-EECC10204327@me.com>
Message-ID: <DM5PR16MB17561C0190EC3F434C3AEE30BB890@DM5PR16MB1756.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>

   Curt,
      The ignitor shaft is drilled to accommadate oil getting to the end of the shaft.  I does take a small drill tho.

  Good luck,

  Rickinmt.



From globalelaime at mymts.net  Sat Aug 12 10:16:40 2017
From: globalelaime at mymts.net (Aime)
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2017 12:16:40 -0500
Subject: [SEL] <No Subject>
Message-ID: <56.29.09141.2083F895@smtp02.mts.yyz.synacor.com>

Good thanks.

Sent from Sonim XP7



From rotigel at me.com  Sun Aug 13 18:45:00 2017
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave)
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2017 21:45:00 -0400
Subject: [SEL] When Our "Old Iron" Was New!
Message-ID: <9EA3AED9-3F5C-4DEA-A8FE-3A02F74E6883@me.com>

See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qb_YNZn_kaQ <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qb_YNZn_kaQ>

From cgandree at mchsi.com  Sun Aug 20 05:26:42 2017
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2017 08:26:42 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] JD 1 1/2 E mag & timing issues udate
In-Reply-To: <2118076317.9336613.1503231788348.JavaMail.zimbra@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <827130518.9336839.1503232002839.JavaMail.zimbra@mchsi.com>

Ok guys the mag was taken off again and recharged. Seems to be giving off a good spark but wondering if anyone knows what the voltage should be when turning over?
After getting some information from some of the boys at the Baraboo show about making sure that the push button pin will engage to help in timing the gears.  Not
sure what they are talking about as their engines were assembled and running.  Any good suggestions would be appreciated to help me get the old girl running again?
Thank you in advance,
Curt Andree


From wilson at stny.rr.com  Sun Aug 20 08:42:43 2017
From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson)
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2017 11:42:43 -0400
Subject: [SEL] JD 1 1/2 E mag & timing issues update
References: <4103D539-ACF2-4F6B-8CC5-C8EE277D9FDC@stny.rr.com>
Message-ID: <F268F0D0-0B47-490F-9D1C-EEF747191198@stny.rr.com>



Glenn Wilson
Endicott, NY
www.WilsonsWarbler.com

Begin forwarded message:

From: Glenn Wilson <wilson at stny.rr.com>
Date: August 20, 2017 at 9:15:28 AM EDT
To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Cc: Old eng list <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Subject: Re: [SEL] JD 1 1/2 E mag & timing issues udate

You now have me worried. My father gave me a 1 1/2 HP John Deere when I was in about 10th grade - about 1974. Let's see, 43 years ago! 

The igniter was missing and the mag was a disaster. I took the engine all apart and started painting it. Between then and now, the pieces have been moved all over. Fortunately I still live in the same house with the same garage and same two barns. 

During these years I did have a great mag guy redo the mag. I've forgot his name. He was on the SEL and used to go to Portland. I also think I somehow obtained a good igniter. 

At 59.5 years of age, I am changing from a hoarder into a more reasonable human. 

I spent two months this summer and fixed up my now-deceased father's 1966 Monarch 10ee lathe. I plan to put the John Deere together soon - maybe next summer. 




Glenn Wilson
Endicott, NY
www.WilsonsWarbler.com

On Aug 20, 2017, at 8:26 AM, cgandree at mchsi.com wrote:

Ok guys the mag was taken off again and recharged. Seems to be giving off a good spark but wondering if anyone knows what the voltage should be when turning over?
After getting some information from some of the boys at the Baraboo show about making sure that the push button pin will engage to help in timing the gears.  Not
sure what they are talking about as their engines were assembled and running.  Any good suggestions would be appreciated to help me get the old girl running again?
Thank you in advance,
Curt Andree
_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From ddotto at cableone.net  Sun Aug 20 08:58:02 2017
From: ddotto at cableone.net (Dave Otto)
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2017 09:58:02 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Spam> RE:  JD 1 1/2 E mag & timing issues udate
In-Reply-To: <827130518.9336839.1503232002839.JavaMail.zimbra@mchsi.com>
References: <2118076317.9336613.1503231788348.JavaMail.zimbra@mchsi.com>
	<827130518.9336839.1503232002839.JavaMail.zimbra@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <002201d319cd$1aec24f0$50c46ed0$@net>

Hi Curt

As I indicated before not only does the mag need to be timed to the engine
(which you have done) it also needs to be timed to the ignitor. The mag
develops AC voltage and the ignitor need to trip at peak voltage. This is
where the push button pin (or rivet) comes into play. The original magneto
end cover has two brass rivets located at 3 and 9 o'clock. There will also
be two arrows marked L & R, if you engine runs the normal direction you
should be using the rivet at 3 o'clock marked L. While turning the engine
over slowly and pressing on the L rivet, you should feel the rivet drop into
the detent in the back of the rotor. When the rivet drops into the detent
this is the point the mag is at max voltage and the point where the ignitor
needs to trip.

If you could spin the mag fast enough it will probably make about 7 volts
AC, mounted on the engine and spinning by hand I'm not sure you will be able
to get that much.

Dave


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
cgandree at mchsi.com
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 6:27 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list; Old eng list 
Subject: [SEL] JD 1 1/2 E mag & timing issues udate

Ok guys the mag was taken off again and recharged. Seems to be giving off a
good spark but wondering if anyone knows what the voltage should be when
turning over?
After getting some information from some of the boys at the Baraboo show
about making sure that the push button pin will engage to help in timing the
gears.  Not sure what they are talking about as their engines were assembled
and running.  Any good suggestions would be appreciated to help me get the
old girl running again?
Thank you in advance,
Curt Andree
_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From kkinney at herculesengines.com  Sun Aug 20 11:08:34 2017
From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (kkinney at herculesengines.com)
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2017 13:08:34 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Portland Hotel Room
In-Reply-To: <a4661bfc39914bafe6bf69219bde3c45.squirrel@mail.realprodata.com>
References: <a4661bfc39914bafe6bf69219bde3c45.squirrel@mail.realprodata.com>
Message-ID: <B483D136-79AF-4E00-BAD9-7CA576B7C34C@herculesengines.com>

Anybody need a room at the Portland Inn this week.  We?re going to give up our room and stay in the camp ground.  Let me know before I cancel the room this evening.
Keith
812-454-6757


From rotigel at me.com  Sun Aug 20 17:24:14 2017
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave)
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2017 20:24:14 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Portland
Message-ID: <AF0B5E1D-D0D2-4153-BF86-345D52C0356E@me.com>

The ATIS SEL/TRACTOR ?home away from home? will be set up at the usual spot at Portland in the engine area near the barn. Either set up there, or at least stop to say HI to everyone. Someone may even offer you a beer!
	Dave




From cgandree at mchsi.com  Mon Aug 21 07:45:29 2017
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2017 10:45:29 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Spam> RE:  JD 1 1/2 E mag & timing issues udate
In-Reply-To: <jStxdDFb2vlsRjStydPiTG>
Message-ID: <1509644643.9427117.1503326729268.JavaMail.zimbra@mchsi.com>

Dave what you said makes good sense and plan to try it this weekend.
In case I might have more questions could you give me your cell number?
Thanks,
Curt Andree
McConnell,IL
815-238-7316

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Otto" <ddotto at cableone.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:58:02 AM
Subject: [SEL] Spam> RE:  JD 1 1/2 E mag & timing issues udate

Hi Curt

As I indicated before not only does the mag need to be timed to the engine
(which you have done) it also needs to be timed to the ignitor. The mag
develops AC voltage and the ignitor need to trip at peak voltage. This is
where the push button pin (or rivet) comes into play. The original magneto
end cover has two brass rivets located at 3 and 9 o'clock. There will also
be two arrows marked L & R, if you engine runs the normal direction you
should be using the rivet at 3 o'clock marked L. While turning the engine
over slowly and pressing on the L rivet, you should feel the rivet drop into
the detent in the back of the rotor. When the rivet drops into the detent
this is the point the mag is at max voltage and the point where the ignitor
needs to trip.

If you could spin the mag fast enough it will probably make about 7 volts
AC, mounted on the engine and spinning by hand I'm not sure you will be able
to get that much.

Dave


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
cgandree at mchsi.com
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 6:27 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list; Old eng list 
Subject: [SEL] JD 1 1/2 E mag & timing issues udate

Ok guys the mag was taken off again and recharged. Seems to be giving off a
good spark but wondering if anyone knows what the voltage should be when
turning over?
After getting some information from some of the boys at the Baraboo show
about making sure that the push button pin will engage to help in timing the
gears.  Not sure what they are talking about as their engines were assembled
and running.  Any good suggestions would be appreciated to help me get the
old girl running again?
Thank you in advance,
Curt Andree
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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Mon Aug 21 07:49:30 2017
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2017 10:49:30 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] JD 1 1/2 E mag & timing issues update
In-Reply-To: <jSXWdhfl2kjm0jSXadhhxJ>
Message-ID: <410079786.9427402.1503326970763.JavaMail.zimbra@mchsi.com>

Hey Glenn if you have any questions about parts or assembly feel free to contact me or call.  I do have a complete JD 1 1/2hp E parts manual and right now can take
pics of the inside of my engine since I have the top cover off.
Curt

----- Original Message -----
From: "Glenn Wilson" <wilson at stny.rr.com>
To: "SEL" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:42:43 AM
Subject: [SEL] JD 1 1/2 E mag & timing issues update



Glenn Wilson
Endicott, NY
www.WilsonsWarbler.com

Begin forwarded message:

From: Glenn Wilson <wilson at stny.rr.com>
Date: August 20, 2017 at 9:15:28 AM EDT
To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Cc: Old eng list <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Subject: Re: [SEL] JD 1 1/2 E mag & timing issues udate

You now have me worried. My father gave me a 1 1/2 HP John Deere when I was in about 10th grade - about 1974. Let's see, 43 years ago! 

The igniter was missing and the mag was a disaster. I took the engine all apart and started painting it. Between then and now, the pieces have been moved all over. Fortunately I still live in the same house with the same garage and same two barns. 

During these years I did have a great mag guy redo the mag. I've forgot his name. He was on the SEL and used to go to Portland. I also think I somehow obtained a good igniter. 

At 59.5 years of age, I am changing from a hoarder into a more reasonable human. 

I spent two months this summer and fixed up my now-deceased father's 1966 Monarch 10ee lathe. I plan to put the John Deere together soon - maybe next summer. 




Glenn Wilson
Endicott, NY
www.WilsonsWarbler.com

On Aug 20, 2017, at 8:26 AM, cgandree at mchsi.com wrote:

Ok guys the mag was taken off again and recharged. Seems to be giving off a good spark but wondering if anyone knows what the voltage should be when turning over?
After getting some information from some of the boys at the Baraboo show about making sure that the push button pin will engage to help in timing the gears.  Not
sure what they are talking about as their engines were assembled and running.  Any good suggestions would be appreciated to help me get the old girl running again?
Thank you in advance,
Curt Andree
_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
_______________________________________________
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SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From wilson at stny.rr.com  Mon Aug 21 09:33:32 2017
From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson)
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2017 12:33:32 -0400
Subject: [SEL] JD 1 1/2 E mag & timing issues update
In-Reply-To: <410079786.9427402.1503326970763.JavaMail.zimbra@mchsi.com>
References: <410079786.9427402.1503326970763.JavaMail.zimbra@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <FBD0A7E6-6540-4D3E-9B33-26AA7090D045@stny.rr.com>

Thanks Curt! I'll take you up on that. 

Glenn Wilson
Endicott, NY
www.WilsonsWarbler.com

On Aug 21, 2017, at 10:49 AM, cgandree at mchsi.com wrote:

Hey Glenn if you have any questions about parts or assembly feel free to contact me or call.  I do have a complete JD 1 1/2hp E parts manual and right now can take
pics of the inside of my engine since I have the top cover off.
Curt

----- Original Message -----
From: "Glenn Wilson" <wilson at stny.rr.com>
To: "SEL" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:42:43 AM
Subject: [SEL] JD 1 1/2 E mag & timing issues update



Glenn Wilson
Endicott, NY
www.WilsonsWarbler.com

Begin forwarded message:

From: Glenn Wilson <wilson at stny.rr.com>
Date: August 20, 2017 at 9:15:28 AM EDT
To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Cc: Old eng list <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Subject: Re: [SEL] JD 1 1/2 E mag & timing issues udate

You now have me worried. My father gave me a 1 1/2 HP John Deere when I was in about 10th grade - about 1974. Let's see, 43 years ago! 

The igniter was missing and the mag was a disaster. I took the engine all apart and started painting it. Between then and now, the pieces have been moved all over. Fortunately I still live in the same house with the same garage and same two barns. 

During these years I did have a great mag guy redo the mag. I've forgot his name. He was on the SEL and used to go to Portland. I also think I somehow obtained a good igniter. 

At 59.5 years of age, I am changing from a hoarder into a more reasonable human. 

I spent two months this summer and fixed up my now-deceased father's 1966 Monarch 10ee lathe. I plan to put the John Deere together soon - maybe next summer. 




Glenn Wilson
Endicott, NY
www.WilsonsWarbler.com

On Aug 20, 2017, at 8:26 AM, cgandree at mchsi.com wrote:

Ok guys the mag was taken off again and recharged. Seems to be giving off a good spark but wondering if anyone knows what the voltage should be when turning over?
After getting some information from some of the boys at the Baraboo show about making sure that the push button pin will engage to help in timing the gears.  Not
sure what they are talking about as their engines were assembled and running.  Any good suggestions would be appreciated to help me get the old girl running again?
Thank you in advance,
Curt Andree
_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From cgandree at mchsi.com  Sat Aug 26 14:50:44 2017
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2017 17:50:44 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] John Deere 1 1/2hp E RUNS AGAIN
In-Reply-To: <1328748564.10025595.1503784013665.JavaMail.zimbra@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <1432023709.10025843.1503784244907.JavaMail.zimbra@mchsi.com>

Ok guys after several years of sitting with out any life today I got her to start and run just as she did several years ago.  With the help of you guys
on timing and settings after re-charging the magnets several times she took off and ran.  Now I can strip off all the old paint and re-paint her for
the last couple of engine shows this year.
A big THANK YOU to all who gave me good words of wisdom as she now runs again like a deer.
Curt Andree


From rdhaskell at juno.com  Mon Aug 28 10:13:30 2017
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2017 10:13:30 -0700
Subject: [SEL] IH LA
Message-ID: <AABN4JV6VAKDXKBJ@smtpout03.vgs.untd.com>

Hi all.
I need a "speed change hand lever" part #5267 for a IH LA (it is the same
for a LB), it seems it the pot metal end doesn't like a screw driver
using it for leverage to work a flywheel off.
Thanks


Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
https://plus.google.com/104862591013550196821/posts



From rotigel at me.com  Mon Aug 28 13:14:25 2017
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2017 16:14:25 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Could This Be Why..........
Message-ID: <0EB6ABF3-BA3A-4CD3-9FCD-83851C1C9D2A@me.com>

??a certain couple we all know and love from England were a ?No Show? at Portland this year? See: http://www.foxnews.com/lifestyle/2017/08/28/giant-kinky-sex-party-took-place-in-woods-and-residents-are-furious.html <http://www.foxnews.com/lifestyle/2017/08/28/giant-kinky-sex-party-took-place-in-woods-and-residents-are-furious.html>

From cgandree at mchsi.com  Wed Aug 30 07:33:17 2017
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 10:33:17 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] JD 1 1/2hp E mag diagram needed
In-Reply-To: <1182307709.10363128.1504103418920.JavaMail.zimbra@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <462493061.10363556.1504103597574.JavaMail.zimbra@mchsi.com>

Ok guys since I now have my old girl running I have stripped and repainted her.  I have a complete gasket kit but when it comes to the gasket & felt pad on the magnito I am unsure of
placement when re-assembling.  My manual doesn't show a clear picture of how to install the felt pad as it is a copy of a copy. I would be very grateful if someone could send me
a clear placement pic.
Thank you in advance,
Curt Andree


From rotigel at me.com  Wed Aug 30 14:04:47 2017
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 17:04:47 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Could This Be Why........
References: <006601d32190$7c43ed30$74cbc790$@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <64D28308-712E-49F7-80B8-C517285FEF72@me.com>

Dolly couldn?t post to Slick. But I thought everyone would be interested in her explanation of missing Portland.
	Dave


> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: Helen French <helen.french1 at virgin.net>
> Subject: RE: Could This Be Why........
> Date: August 30, 2017 at 9:04:16 AM EDT
> To: 'Slick List' <slick at tbbs.net>
> Cc: 'Dave' <rotigel at me.com>
> 
> I did answer this but it was another no-show.  I think the lists don?t work more than they DO work these days L
>  
> We were planning to go, Dave, but we heard the parking was going to be a nightmare!
> https://www.pressreader.com/uk/the-guardian/20170819/281694024894516 <https://www.pressreader.com/uk/the-guardian/20170819/281694024894516>
>  
> Dolly
> xx
>  
> From: Slick [mailto:slick-bounces at tbbs.net <mailto:slick-bounces at tbbs.net>] On Behalf Of Dave via Slick
> Sent: 28 August 2017 21:16
> To: Slick List <slick at tbbs.net <mailto:slick at tbbs.net>>
> Cc: Dave <rotigel at me.com <mailto:rotigel at me.com>>
> Subject: Could This Be Why........
>  
> ??a certain couple we all know and love from England were a ?No Show? at Portland this year? See: http://www.foxnews.com/lifestyle/2017/08/28/giant-kinky-sex-party-took-place-in-woods-and-residents-are-furious.html <http://www.foxnews.com/lifestyle/2017/08/28/giant-kinky-sex-party-took-place-in-woods-and-residents-are-furious.html>