From cgandree at mchsi.com Mon Jan 4 05:26:38 2016 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2016 08:26:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] DAVE CROFT In-Reply-To: <739705456.14812983.1451913820095.JavaMail.zimbra@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <1515546398.14813413.1451913998021.JavaMail.zimbra@mchsi.com> Wondering if any one near Warren, England could check on my old friend Dave Croft as he may be either in the hospital or passed on. His cell phone number is: 0192565710 I would be very great full to any one that could try to contact him and let me know is status. Thank you in advance, Curt Andree From rustyiron1 at bigpond.com Mon Jan 4 23:47:57 2016 From: rustyiron1 at bigpond.com (Andy Nicholson) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 17:47:57 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Postage Rates eBay Message-ID: <001a01d1478d$64fc1d20$2ef45760$@bigpond.com> Hello, Question for you all, I've only just noticed the eBay postage rate on some items, Are out of this world. This is from the USA and England. I've been looking for a Rota Button for a SR2 magneto, I found one but they wanted $40 AUD for postage. I asked them if this was correct, and got told " take it or leave it" it's up to you? It's the same with the USA asked again about the postage quoted on a Magneto cover for a SR2. Got told they'd do a deal, but then saw the price on the cover jump about $20 USD. Some funny people out there. Is this eBay's doing or just the sellers? So if you can keep an eye on SR2 parts for me I'd appreciate it. Andy Queensland Australia. From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Jan 5 00:12:15 2016 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 19:12:15 +1100 Subject: [SEL] =?utf-8?q?Spam=3E_Re=3A__Postage_Rates_eBay?= In-Reply-To: <001a01d1478d$64fc1d20$2ef45760$@bigpond.com> References: <001a01d1478d$64fc1d20$2ef45760$@bigpond.com> Message-ID: <702F2D079C0149F8B1AD2D6F2CECEFDD@REGPC> Andy, mate, ALL this has come about because the "postal 'service'" has allowed itself to be shown as "Lacking". Instead of 'seeing' why, they used the old age reflex, "Put up the prices" So, now we have a so called service, that is beyond our pockets! ALL the answers ARE there for all to see!! (But I am a politician, so I don?t need to look) Mate, our world IS crumbling !! Ha! we were going to send calendars to relatives this past Christmas season. The cost of postage was higher than the cost of the items!!! And you wonder why they are going broke?? I am sending a 'gift' to a mate in USA. Freight is $350. The PO wont even look at it as it is above what they want to carry. Is that the way to run a profitable venture?? The world of sanity and reason has "Just left the building". I am so glad I am an"OLD FART", and wont have to see the crap that WILL descend soon. Grin. end of rant. Reg -----Original Message----- From: Andy Nicholson Sent: Tuesday, January 5, 2016 6:47 PM To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Postage Rates eBay Hello, Question for you all, I've only just noticed the eBay postage rate on some items, Are out of this world. This is from the USA and England. I've been looking for a Rota Button for a SR2 magneto, I found one but they wanted $40 AUD for postage. I asked them if this was correct, and got told " take it or leave it" it's up to you? It's the same with the USA asked again about the postage quoted on a Magneto cover for a SR2. Got told they'd do a deal, but then saw the price on the cover jump about $20 USD. Some funny people out there. Is this eBay's doing or just the sellers? So if you can keep an eye on SR2 parts for me I'd appreciate it. Andy Queensland Australia. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From plowe at exemail.com.au Tue Jan 5 01:15:11 2016 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 20:15:11 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Re: Postage Rates eBay In-Reply-To: <702F2D079C0149F8B1AD2D6F2CECEFDD@REGPC> References: <001a01d1478d$64fc1d20$2ef45760$@bigpond.com> <702F2D079C0149F8B1AD2D6F2CECEFDD@REGPC> Message-ID: <79BC5052854D4164ACD823EA1D293FEF@PeterPC> Hi Reg and others I recently had a parcel from USA to Oz take 53 days, and no not surface mail, it was Priority International Air Mail. It sat in Sydney for 43 days and when I rang Australia Post they said the tracking number was in their system but they could not tell me where it was. Was is the point of tracking if you can't track. Australia Post deserve what they get for being an inefficient dinosaur still living in the 18th century. On the day this parcel finally arrived, so did a parcel from Canada, it took 8 days, go figure. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm Andy, mate, ALL this has come about because the "postal 'service'" has allowed itself to be shown as "Lacking". Instead of 'seeing' why, they used the old age reflex, "Put up the prices" So, now we have a so called service, that is beyond our pockets! ALL the answers ARE there for all to see!! (But I am a politician, so I don?t need to look) Mate, our world IS crumbling !! Ha! we were going to send calendars to relatives this past Christmas season. The cost of postage was higher than the cost of the items!!! And you wonder why they are going broke?? I am sending a 'gift' to a mate in USA. Freight is $350. The PO wont even look at it as it is above what they want to carry. Is that the way to run a profitable venture?? The world of sanity and reason has "Just left the building". I am so glad I am an"OLD FART", and wont have to see the crap that WILL descend soon. Grin. end of rant. Reg -----Original Message----- From: Andy Nicholson Sent: Tuesday, January 5, 2016 6:47 PM To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Postage Rates eBay Hello, Question for you all, I've only just noticed the eBay postage rate on some items, Are out of this world. This is from the USA and England. I've been looking for a Rota Button for a SR2 magneto, I found one but they wanted $40 AUD for postage. I asked them if this was correct, and got told " take it or leave it" it's up to you? It's the same with the USA asked again about the postage quoted on a Magneto cover for a SR2. Got told they'd do a deal, but then saw the price on the cover jump about $20 USD. Some funny people out there. Is this eBay's doing or just the sellers? So if you can keep an eye on SR2 parts for me I'd appreciate it. Andy Queensland Australia. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From plowe at exemail.com.au Tue Jan 5 01:38:31 2016 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 20:38:31 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Postage Rates eBay In-Reply-To: <001a01d1478d$64fc1d20$2ef45760$@bigpond.com> References: <001a01d1478d$64fc1d20$2ef45760$@bigpond.com> Message-ID: <9C7B4C2CD02242F6B54A54B08F147C92@PeterPC> Hi Andy USA ebay sellers are being hood winked by ebay's third party freight network, Pitney Bowes. The reason the postage is expensive is that it comes as Priority International Air Mail, the cheapest way for us is First Class International Air Mail, about a quarter of the cost. The eBay freighting system is a rip-off to sellers and buyers. Postage has nothing to do with ebay but some how they have let this company run things. It might be OK for ebay power sellers to have Pitney Bowes do their packing, customs forms and postage but it is costing the small seller and the buyer. I always ask the seller will they post First Class International Air Mail, this does have a weight limit, and if they will not I just don't buy. Some get very uptight if you try and get them to change. They are forced to send Priority International Air Mail unless they tick the right boxes when formulating their selling adverts. You are right, sometimes a $5 item has a postage to Oz $50 to $100, this is why. The Yanks are funny about someone outside the Good Old USA asks them to change something as simple as postage or anything for that matter. As you said they just reply with "take it or leave it", mmmmmmmmmm !! maybe it is ignorance of a system they do not quite understand I don't know. Of course I have hundreds of the best American mates and my rant is just a generalization. Posting inside Oz, get a postage booklet from the PO, read it and see how you can save money. I send some strange things as a large letter, $1.20. Max 20mm thick and 500 gms weight. I sent a sheet of aluminium and the post lady said parcel and will cost $7.60. I said large letter at $1.20 and no more, read you guide lines. I won. Look also at post bags rather than boxing etc. The recent loss is $1 for a letter, but I don't send letters so I don't care. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm Hello, Question for you all, I've only just noticed the eBay postage rate on some items, Are out of this world. This is from the USA and England. I've been looking for a Rota Button for a SR2 magneto, I found one but they wanted $40 AUD for postage. I asked them if this was correct, and got told " take it or leave it" it's up to you? It's the same with the USA asked again about the postage quoted on a Magneto cover for a SR2. Got told they'd do a deal, but then saw the price on the cover jump about $20 USD. Some funny people out there. Is this eBay's doing or just the sellers? So if you can keep an eye on SR2 parts for me I'd appreciate it. Andy Queensland Australia. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From wilson at stny.rr.com Tue Jan 5 01:48:23 2016 From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 04:48:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Postage Rates eBay In-Reply-To: <001a01d1478d$64fc1d20$2ef45760$@bigpond.com> References: <001a01d1478d$64fc1d20$2ef45760$@bigpond.com> Message-ID: <70DC9582-80B5-4E00-8A9A-7839F3CAE356@stny.rr.com> I see it now and then. Yes it is ridiculous. Once I asked the seller and he changed the price to a reasonable one. Glenn Wilson Endicott, NY www.WilsonsWarbler.com On Jan 5, 2016, at 2:47 AM, Andy Nicholson wrote: Hello, Question for you all, I've only just noticed the eBay postage rate on some items, Are out of this world. This is from the USA and England. I've been looking for a Rota Button for a SR2 magneto, I found one but they wanted $40 AUD for postage. I asked them if this was correct, and got told " take it or leave it" it's up to you? It's the same with the USA asked again about the postage quoted on a Magneto cover for a SR2. Got told they'd do a deal, but then saw the price on the cover jump about $20 USD. Some funny people out there. Is this eBay's doing or just the sellers? So if you can keep an eye on SR2 parts for me I'd appreciate it. Andy Queensland Australia. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From nickholden55 at hotmail.com Tue Jan 5 09:55:27 2016 From: nickholden55 at hotmail.com (Nick Holden) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 17:55:27 +0000 Subject: [SEL] SR2 mag Message-ID: Hi andy Have a look hear for your mag parts in England but not that far to you !!! http://www.magneto-ignition.co.uk/ Nick Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From rustyiron1 at bigpond.com Tue Jan 5 23:25:48 2016 From: rustyiron1 at bigpond.com (Andy Nicholson) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 17:25:48 +1000 Subject: [SEL] SR2 mag In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001b01d14853$7742b180$65c81480$@bigpond.com> Thanks Nick, I've sent an email, can't hurt to ask? Andy. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Nick Holden Sent: Wednesday, 6 January 2016 3:55 AM To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] SR2 mag Hi andy Have a look hear for your mag parts in England but not that far to you !!! http://www.magneto-ignition.co.uk/ Nick Sent from Mail for Windows 10 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rustyiron1 at bigpond.com Tue Jan 5 23:31:16 2016 From: rustyiron1 at bigpond.com (Andy Nicholson) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 17:31:16 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Postage Rates eBay In-Reply-To: <9C7B4C2CD02242F6B54A54B08F147C92@PeterPC> References: <001a01d1478d$64fc1d20$2ef45760$@bigpond.com> <9C7B4C2CD02242F6B54A54B08F147C92@PeterPC> Message-ID: <001c01d14854$3a84ced0$af8e6c70$@bigpond.com> Hello Peter, I'll try asking to use the Priority International Air Mail and see what happens. The other day I ran out of S/S Lock wire, checked on eBay for some prices and found that I could get a Kilo sent for only $10 AUD from Pommy land. Regards Andy. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Peter Lowe Sent: Tuesday, 5 January 2016 7:39 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Postage Rates eBay Hi Andy USA ebay sellers are being hood winked by ebay's third party freight network, Pitney Bowes. The reason the postage is expensive is that it comes as Priority International Air Mail, the cheapest way for us is First Class International Air Mail, about a quarter of the cost. The eBay freighting system is a rip-off to sellers and buyers. Postage has nothing to do with ebay but some how they have let this company run things. It might be OK for ebay power sellers to have Pitney Bowes do their packing, customs forms and postage but it is costing the small seller and the buyer. I always ask the seller will they post First Class International Air Mail, this does have a weight limit, and if they will not I just don't buy. Some get very uptight if you try and get them to change. They are forced to send Priority International Air Mail unless they tick the right boxes when formulating their selling adverts. You are right, sometimes a $5 item has a postage to Oz $50 to $100, this is why. The Yanks are funny about someone outside the Good Old USA asks them to change something as simple as postage or anything for that matter. As you said they just reply with "take it or leave it", mmmmmmmmmm !! maybe it is ignorance of a system they do not quite understand I don't know. Of course I have hundreds of the best American mates and my rant is just a generalization. Posting inside Oz, get a postage booklet from the PO, read it and see how you can save money. I send some strange things as a large letter, $1.20. Max 20mm thick and 500 gms weight. I sent a sheet of aluminium and the post lady said parcel and will cost $7.60. I said large letter at $1.20 and no more, read you guide lines. I won. Look also at post bags rather than boxing etc. The recent loss is $1 for a letter, but I don't send letters so I don't care. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm Hello, Question for you all, I've only just noticed the eBay postage rate on some items, Are out of this world. This is from the USA and England. I've been looking for a Rota Button for a SR2 magneto, I found one but they wanted $40 AUD for postage. I asked them if this was correct, and got told " take it or leave it" it's up to you? It's the same with the USA asked again about the postage quoted on a Magneto cover for a SR2. Got told they'd do a deal, but then saw the price on the cover jump about $20 USD. Some funny people out there. Is this eBay's doing or just the sellers? So if you can keep an eye on SR2 parts for me I'd appreciate it. Andy Queensland Australia. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From plowe at exemail.com.au Wed Jan 6 03:10:24 2016 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 22:10:24 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Postage Rates eBay In-Reply-To: <001c01d14854$3a84ced0$af8e6c70$@bigpond.com> References: <001a01d1478d$64fc1d20$2ef45760$@bigpond.com><9C7B4C2CD02242F6B54A54B08F147C92@PeterPC> <001c01d14854$3a84ced0$af8e6c70$@bigpond.com> Message-ID: <80253EF0D4A54DFDBE6C83D9AEDB5CA3@PeterPC> Hi Andy. no mate, you need to ask for First Class International from the USA, NOT Priority. Peter Hello Peter, I'll try asking to use the Priority International Air Mail and see what happens. The other day I ran out of S/S Lock wire, checked on eBay for some prices and found that I could get a Kilo sent for only $10 AUD from Pommy land. Regards Andy. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Peter Lowe Sent: Tuesday, 5 January 2016 7:39 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Postage Rates eBay Hi Andy USA ebay sellers are being hood winked by ebay's third party freight network, Pitney Bowes. The reason the postage is expensive is that it comes as Priority International Air Mail, the cheapest way for us is First Class International Air Mail, about a quarter of the cost. The eBay freighting system is a rip-off to sellers and buyers. Postage has nothing to do with ebay but some how they have let this company run things. It might be OK for ebay power sellers to have Pitney Bowes do their packing, customs forms and postage but it is costing the small seller and the buyer. I always ask the seller will they post First Class International Air Mail, this does have a weight limit, and if they will not I just don't buy. Some get very uptight if you try and get them to change. They are forced to send Priority International Air Mail unless they tick the right boxes when formulating their selling adverts. You are right, sometimes a $5 item has a postage to Oz $50 to $100, this is why. The Yanks are funny about someone outside the Good Old USA asks them to change something as simple as postage or anything for that matter. As you said they just reply with "take it or leave it", mmmmmmmmmm !! maybe it is ignorance of a system they do not quite understand I don't know. Of course I have hundreds of the best American mates and my rant is just a generalization. Posting inside Oz, get a postage booklet from the PO, read it and see how you can save money. I send some strange things as a large letter, $1.20. Max 20mm thick and 500 gms weight. I sent a sheet of aluminium and the post lady said parcel and will cost $7.60. I said large letter at $1.20 and no more, read you guide lines. I won. Look also at post bags rather than boxing etc. The recent loss is $1 for a letter, but I don't send letters so I don't care. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm Hello, Question for you all, I've only just noticed the eBay postage rate on some items, Are out of this world. This is from the USA and England. I've been looking for a Rota Button for a SR2 magneto, I found one but they wanted $40 AUD for postage. I asked them if this was correct, and got told " take it or leave it" it's up to you? It's the same with the USA asked again about the postage quoted on a Magneto cover for a SR2. Got told they'd do a deal, but then saw the price on the cover jump about $20 USD. Some funny people out there. Is this eBay's doing or just the sellers? So if you can keep an eye on SR2 parts for me I'd appreciate it. Andy Queensland Australia. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From frappi at wcoil.com Wed Jan 6 10:52:54 2016 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2016 13:52:54 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Postage Rates eBay In-Reply-To: <80253EF0D4A54DFDBE6C83D9AEDB5CA3@PeterPC> References: <001a01d1478d$64fc1d20$2ef45760$@bigpond.com> <9C7B4C2CD02242F6B54A54B08F147C92@PeterPC> <001c01d14854$3a84ced0$af8e6c70$@bigpond.com> <80253EF0D4A54DFDBE6C83D9AEDB5CA3@PeterPC> Message-ID: <20160106185104.6C4222AECD9@smtp.wcoil.com> International Postage from the US with Ebay sales and PayPal payment is problematic as both entities require the seller to be responsible for the package door to door. Because of this almost all sellers now ship with Priority as that service can be insured. First Class International and many times Priority Mail Flat rate can not be insured. Neither entity allows the seller and buyer to work an agreement on postage. I always used to ask the seller if they want insurance and if not then if they wanted the cheaper postage we could then opt to First Class. But now even if the buyer asks for First Class International without insurance and acknowledges they will not hold seller liable for loss in the mail "in writing" Ebay and PayPal will still hold the seller responsible if a problem arises and the buyer reniggs on his agreement and files for refund with Ebay or PayPal. Been stung a couple times. Considering cutting off International sales due to this problem. Imagine having to ship a $10.00 gasket set international, LOL. I used to offer surface postage as that was very reasonable but the US Postal Service quit offering that option. Its all air now. Mark S. At 06:10 AM 1/6/2016, you wrote: >Hi Andy. no mate, you need to ask for First Class International from the >USA, NOT Priority. >Peter > > > >Hello Peter, I'll try asking to use the Priority International Air Mail and >see what happens. >The other day I ran out of S/S Lock wire, checked on eBay for some prices >and found that I could get a Kilo sent for only $10 AUD from Pommy land. >Regards >Andy. > >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Peter Lowe >Sent: Tuesday, 5 January 2016 7:39 PM >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Postage Rates eBay > >Hi Andy >USA ebay sellers are being hood winked by ebay's third party freight >network, Pitney Bowes. >The reason the postage is expensive is that it comes as Priority >International Air Mail, the cheapest way for us is First Class International >Air Mail, about a quarter of the cost. The eBay freighting system is a >rip-off to sellers and buyers. >Postage has nothing to do with ebay but some how they have let this company >run things. It might be OK for ebay power sellers to have Pitney Bowes do >their packing, customs forms and postage but it is costing the small seller >and the buyer. >I always ask the seller will they post First Class International Air Mail, >this does have a weight limit, and if they will not I just don't buy. Some >get very uptight if you try and get them to change. They are forced to send >Priority International Air Mail unless they tick the right boxes when >formulating their selling adverts. >You are right, sometimes a $5 item has a postage to Oz $50 to $100, this is >why. >The Yanks are funny about someone outside the Good Old USA asks them to >change something as simple as postage or anything for that matter. As you >said they just reply with "take it or leave it", mmmmmmmmmm !! maybe it is >ignorance of a system they do not quite understand I don't know. Of course I >have hundreds of the best American mates and my rant is just a >generalization. > >Posting inside Oz, get a postage booklet from the PO, read it and see how >you can save money. >I send some strange things as a large letter, $1.20. Max 20mm thick and 500 >gms weight. I sent a sheet of aluminium and the post lady said parcel and >will cost $7.60. I said large letter at $1.20 and no more, read you guide >lines. I won. Look also at post bags rather than boxing etc. >The recent loss is $1 for a letter, but I don't send letters so I don't >care. > >Regards >Peter Lowe >R&V Engine Registrar >http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm > > > > >Hello, Question for you all, I've only just noticed the eBay postage rate on >some items, > >Are out of this world. This is from the USA and England. > >I've been looking for a Rota Button for a SR2 magneto, I found one but they >wanted $40 AUD for postage. > >I asked them if this was correct, and got told " take it or leave it" it's >up to you? > >It's the same with the USA asked again about the postage quoted on a Magneto >cover for a SR2. > >Got told they'd do a deal, but then saw the price on the cover jump about >$20 USD. > >Some funny people out there. > >Is this eBay's doing or just the sellers? > >So if you can keep an eye on SR2 parts for me I'd appreciate it. > >Andy > >Queensland > >Australia. > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA 1 John 2:23 Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home Hobby Collector and Dealer in John Deere and Hercules Engines. Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com Where Is John Galt --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From frappi at wcoil.com Wed Jan 6 11:42:55 2016 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2016 14:42:55 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Postage Rates eBay In-Reply-To: <001a01d1478d$64fc1d20$2ef45760$@bigpond.com> References: <001a01d1478d$64fc1d20$2ef45760$@bigpond.com> Message-ID: <20160106194105.B0F462AED54@smtp.wcoil.com> Another thing people have to know and understand is that if you ask a seller a question through the Ebay communication system it is not a secure email. You know what a I mean the Ask a Seller a Question thing? Ebay can read those. They are allowed to read them especially if they suspect a deal is being managed outside of the ebay purchase system that does not allow them to collect a commission, Fee Avoidance. So If you want to get the best price on the part and shipping you have to get the question and answer outside of the Ebay system. I will reply to requests with a simple reply like frappi AT wcoil DOT com and hope that the receiver understands and reformats it to the proper frappi at wcoil.com then email's me directly so that we can be secure in out communications. If you initiating the email would do the same with your email it can speed things up. If ebay catches you trying to deal outside of the sales system they will suspend you and some times close your account. Phone numbers can also be sent using the format of 4one9-3 five 8 5 two 0 six Otherwise they will filter out the email address and phone numbers. Also if you buy or sell on ebay when you do this you can get your trading partners email out of the deal information and contact them directly for further dealing. At 02:47 AM 1/5/2016, you wrote: >Hello, Question for you all, I've only just noticed the eBay postage rate on >some items, > >Are out of this world. This is from the USA and England. > >I've been looking for a Rota Button for a SR2 magneto, I found one but they >wanted $40 AUD for postage. > >I asked them if this was correct, and got told " take it or leave it" it's >up to you? > >It's the same with the USA asked again about the postage quoted on a Magneto >cover for a SR2. > >Got told they'd do a deal, but then saw the price on the cover jump about >$20 USD. > >Some funny people out there. > >Is this eBay's doing or just the sellers? > >So if you can keep an eye on SR2 parts for me I'd appreciate it. > >Andy > >Queensland > >Australia. > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA 1 John 2:23 Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home Hobby Collector and Dealer in John Deere and Hercules Engines. Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com Where Is John Galt --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From b2 at chooka.net Wed Jan 6 12:36:28 2016 From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 14:36:28 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Postage Rates eBay In-Reply-To: <20160106194105.B0F462AED54@smtp.wcoil.com> References: <001a01d1478d$64fc1d20$2ef45760$@bigpond.com> <20160106194105.B0F462AED54@smtp.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <000001d148c1$f3167bc0$d9437340$@chooka.net> Mark has articulated the issues of International selling with eBay very well. Oh, if there were only a good alternative to selling, but there isn't...the power of a near monopoly. And eBay ain't the same company that Meg Whitman built originally. Would be nice to return to those days, but time moves on... I would add that I used to ship international quite a bit, but about 2010 or so when USPS overhauled their rates, the international rates went through the roof. I suspect there was just less political fallout from raising international rates than raising domestic rates. International sales pretty much dried up for me after that. I've wondered if that has contributed to our balance of trade problems, but I don't know how millions of small transactions weigh against what the big players do...maybe we don't matter much. B? Bill Brueck Pine Island, MN, USA -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mark Shulaw Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 1:43 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Postage Rates eBay Another thing people have to know and understand is that if you ask a seller a question through the Ebay communication system it is not a secure email. You know what a I mean the Ask a Seller a Question thing? Ebay can read those. They are allowed to read them especially if they suspect a deal is being managed outside of the ebay purchase system that does not allow them to collect a commission, Fee Avoidance. So If you want to get the best price on the part and shipping you have to get the question and answer outside of the Ebay system. I will reply to requests with a simple reply like frappi AT wcoil DOT com and hope that the receiver understands and reformats it to the proper frappi at wcoil.com then email's me directly so that we can be secure in out communications. If you initiating the email would do the same with your email it can speed things up. If ebay catches you trying to deal outside of the sales system they will suspend you and some times close your account. Phone numbers can also be sent using the format of 4one9-3 five 8 5 two 0 six Otherwise they will filter out the email address and phone numbers. Also if you buy or sell on ebay when you do this you can get your trading partners email out of the deal information and contact them directly for further dealing. At 02:47 AM 1/5/2016, you wrote: >Hello, Question for you all, I've only just noticed the eBay postage >rate on some items, > >Are out of this world. This is from the USA and England. > >I've been looking for a Rota Button for a SR2 magneto, I found one but >they wanted $40 AUD for postage. > >I asked them if this was correct, and got told " take it or leave it" >it's up to you? > >It's the same with the USA asked again about the postage quoted on a >Magneto cover for a SR2. > >Got told they'd do a deal, but then saw the price on the cover jump >about >$20 USD. > >Some funny people out there. > >Is this eBay's doing or just the sellers? > >So if you can keep an eye on SR2 parts for me I'd appreciate it. > >Andy > >Queensland > >Australia. > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA 1 John 2:23 Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home Hobby Collector and Dealer in John Deere and Hercules Engines. Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com Where Is John Galt --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Wed Jan 6 13:28:38 2016 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 08:28:38 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Postage Rates eBay In-Reply-To: <000001d148c1$f3167bc0$d9437340$@chooka.net> References: <001a01d1478d$64fc1d20$2ef45760$@bigpond.com> <20160106194105.B0F462AED54@smtp.wcoil.com> <000001d148c1$f3167bc0$d9437340$@chooka.net> Message-ID: <568D8706.7060406@rustic-engines.com> The BIG players are the greedy money players Bill. I don't blame institutions, I blame the "humans" controlling them. They are destroying our world, they just can't see it, or they don't care. It is often driven by share-holder/investor pressure. Yep, large numbers of little people can also have a devastating effect on pricing. I can't wait for some forward thinking seller to set up a parts distribution center of old engine parts in Hong Kong. Postage from there to Australia is awesomely cheap (or free). I would be one of many in Oz that have turned away from sourcing parts from the US, not because of unit price, because of exorbitant postage. Sometimes the postage is a lot higher than the whole project, let alone the part cost. j Al Harris Summer Clarence Coast Oz On 07-Jan-16 07:36, Bill Brueck wrote: > Mark has articulated the issues of International selling with eBay very > well. Oh, if there were only a good alternative to selling, but there > isn't...the power of a near monopoly. > > And eBay ain't the same company that Meg Whitman built originally. Would be > nice to return to those days, but time moves on... > > I would add that I used to ship international quite a bit, but about 2010 or > so when USPS overhauled their rates, the international rates went through > the roof. I suspect there was just less political fallout from raising > international rates than raising domestic rates. International sales pretty > much dried up for me after that. I've wondered if that has contributed to > our balance of trade problems, but I don't know how millions of small > transactions weigh against what the big players do...maybe we don't matter > much. > > B? > Bill Brueck > Pine Island, MN, USA > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mark Shulaw > Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 1:43 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Postage Rates eBay > > Another thing people have to know and understand is that if you ask a seller > a question through the Ebay communication system it is not a secure email. > You know what a I mean the Ask a Seller a Question thing? Ebay can read > those. They are allowed to read them especially if they suspect a deal is > being managed outside of the ebay purchase system that does not allow them > to collect a commission, Fee Avoidance. So If you want to get the best price > on the part and shipping you have to get the question and answer outside of > the Ebay > system. I will reply to requests with a simple reply like frappi > AT wcoil DOT com and hope that the receiver understands and > reformats it to the proper frappi at wcoil.com then email's me directly so > that we can be secure in out communications. If you initiating the email > would do the same with your email it can speed things up. If ebay catches > you trying to deal outside of the sales system they will suspend you and > some times close your account. Phone numbers can > also be sent using the format of 4one9-3 five 8 5 two 0 > six Otherwise they will filter out the email address and phone numbers. > Also if you buy or sell on ebay when you do this you can get your trading > partners email out of the deal information and contact them directly for > further dealing. > > > > > At 02:47 AM 1/5/2016, you wrote: >> Hello, Question for you all, I've only just noticed the eBay postage >> rate on some items, >> >> Are out of this world. This is from the USA and England. >> >> I've been looking for a Rota Button for a SR2 magneto, I found one but >> they wanted $40 AUD for postage. >> >> I asked them if this was correct, and got told " take it or leave it" >> it's up to you? >> >> It's the same with the USA asked again about the postage quoted on a >> Magneto cover for a SR2. >> >> Got told they'd do a deal, but then saw the price on the cover jump >> about >> $20 USD. >> >> Some funny people out there. >> >> Is this eBay's doing or just the sellers? >> >> So if you can keep an eye on SR2 parts for me I'd appreciate it. >> >> Andy >> >> Queensland >> >> Australia. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > Mark Shulaw > 454 County Road 33 > Bluffton, OH. 45817 > USA > bleverse.com/search_bible_verses/chapter/%3Feid%3Demail-dbvDV2ht1DV%26book_i > d%3D62%26chapter%3D2>1 > John 2:23 > > Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home > Hobby Collector and Dealer in John Deere and Hercules Engines. > Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. > VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com Where Is John Galt > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From steve_mechanic at hotmail.com Wed Jan 6 14:56:53 2016 From: steve_mechanic at hotmail.com (steve_mechanic at hotmail.com) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 22:56:53 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Postage Rates eBay In-Reply-To: <568D8706.7060406@rustic-engines.com> References: <001a01d1478d$64fc1d20$2ef45760$@bigpond.com> <20160106194105.B0F462AED54@smtp.wcoil.com> <000001d148c1$f3167bc0$d9437340$@chooka.net> <568D8706.7060406@rustic-engines.com> Message-ID: Gdday all, I've just bought a gasket set for the old 318 dodge. . US $.99 postage to australia $32 Still the cheapest option as no one stocks it here for less than $175 - 200 The world is going totally mad.. go figure! Cheers Steve Adelaide South Australia Sent from Outlook Mobile On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 1:46 PM -0800, "Al Harris" wrote: The BIG players are the greedy money players Bill. I don't blame institutions, I blame the "humans" controlling them. They are destroying our world, they just can't see it, or they don't care. It is often driven by share-holder/investor pressure. Yep, large numbers of little people can also have a devastating effect on pricing. I can't wait for some forward thinking seller to set up a parts distribution center of old engine parts in Hong Kong. Postage from there to Australia is awesomely cheap (or free). I would be one of many in Oz that have turned away from sourcing parts from the US, not because of unit price, because of exorbitant postage. Sometimes the postage is a lot higher than the whole project, let alone the part cost. j Al Harris Summer Clarence Coast Oz On 07-Jan-16 07:36, Bill Brueck wrote: > Mark has articulated the issues of International selling with eBay very > well. Oh, if there were only a good alternative to selling, but there > isn't...the power of a near monopoly. > > And eBay ain't the same company that Meg Whitman built originally. Would be > nice to return to those days, but time moves on... > > I would add that I used to ship international quite a bit, but about 2010 or > so when USPS overhauled their rates, the international rates went through > the roof. I suspect there was just less political fallout from raising > international rates than raising domestic rates. International sales pretty > much dried up for me after that. I've wondered if that has contributed to > our balance of trade problems, but I don't know how millions of small > transactions weigh against what the big players do...maybe we don't matter > much. > > B? > Bill Brueck > Pine Island, MN, USA > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mark Shulaw > Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 1:43 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Postage Rates eBay > > Another thing people have to know and understand is that if you ask a seller > a question through the Ebay communication system it is not a secure email. > You know what a I mean the Ask a Seller a Question thing? Ebay can read > those. They are allowed to read them especially if they suspect a deal is > being managed outside of the ebay purchase system that does not allow them > to collect a commission, Fee Avoidance. So If you want to get the best price > on the part and shipping you have to get the question and answer outside of > the Ebay > system. I will reply to requests with a simple reply like frappi > AT wcoil DOT com and hope that the receiver understands and > reformats it to the proper frappi at wcoil.com then email's me directly so > that we can be secure in out communications. If you initiating the email > would do the same with your email it can speed things up. If ebay catches > you trying to deal outside of the sales system they will suspend you and > some times close your account. Phone numbers can > also be sent using the format of 4one9-3 five 8 5 two 0 > six Otherwise they will filter out the email address and phone numbers. > Also if you buy or sell on ebay when you do this you can get your trading > partners email out of the deal information and contact them directly for > further dealing. > > > > > At 02:47 AM 1/5/2016, you wrote: >> Hello, Question for you all, I've only just noticed the eBay postage >> rate on some items, >> >> Are out of this world. This is from the USA and England. >> >> I've been looking for a Rota Button for a SR2 magneto, I found one but >> they wanted $40 AUD for postage. >> >> I asked them if this was correct, and got told " take it or leave it" >> it's up to you? >> >> It's the same with the USA asked again about the postage quoted on a >> Magneto cover for a SR2. >> >> Got told they'd do a deal, but then saw the price on the cover jump >> about >> $20 USD. >> >> Some funny people out there. >> >> Is this eBay's doing or just the sellers? >> >> So if you can keep an eye on SR2 parts for me I'd appreciate it. >> >> Andy >> >> Queensland >> >> Australia. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > Mark Shulaw > 454 County Road 33 > Bluffton, OH. 45817 > USA > bleverse.com/search_bible_verses/chapter/%3Feid%3Demail-dbvDV2ht1DV%26book_i > d%3D62%26chapter%3D2>1 > John 2:23 > > Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home > Hobby Collector and Dealer in John Deere and Hercules Engines. > Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. > VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com Where Is John Galt > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From plowe at exemail.com.au Wed Jan 6 21:49:42 2016 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 16:49:42 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Postage Rates eBay In-Reply-To: <20160106194105.B0F462AED54@smtp.wcoil.com> References: <001a01d1478d$64fc1d20$2ef45760$@bigpond.com> <20160106194105.B0F462AED54@smtp.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <175352AE46C0497CA577929B1F0AF536@PeterPC> Hi Mark I communicate with all my sellers firstly through eBay, I have also created a picture of my email address which I send them. I then ask them to contact me privately via that image address being careful how I say it. Never been pinged in over 10 years of doing it that way. Previously I have had a couple of 24 hour suspensions ;-) for not playing the game, must be the rebel in me. If the seller is using Pitney Bowes, that is where the trouble starts, some times they re-box and their international insurance is not worth the paper it is written on. I think for you guys in the USA, when you formulate your advert or forces you to Priority International, but if you look carefully you DO NOT have to take that option, you can select First Class. The only draw back it that there is a weight limit of around 3lb ?? If an item is dearer here than the USA, the Oz seller has already added on the crazy postage price. You have to communicate with your sellers and explain the reasons why you want First Class, some say get stuffed others will work with you. I ask them to waive tracking and insurance, never lost an item yet. Have fun everyone, it is no longer anywhere near a level playing field. Peter Another thing people have to know and understand is that if you ask a seller a question through the Ebay communication system it is not a secure email. You know what a I mean the Ask a Seller a Question thing? Ebay can read those. They are allowed to read them especially if they suspect a deal is being managed outside of the ebay purchase system that does not allow them to collect a commission, Fee Avoidance. So If you want to get the best price on the part and shipping you have to get the question and answer outside of the Ebay system. I will reply to requests with a simple reply like frappi AT wcoil DOT com and hope that the receiver understands and reformats it to the proper frappi at wcoil.com then email's me directly so that we can be secure in out communications. If you initiating the email would do the same with your email it can speed things up. If ebay catches you trying to deal outside of the sales system they will suspend you and some times close your account. Phone numbers can also be sent using the format of 4one9-3 five 8 5 two 0 six Otherwise they will filter out the email address and phone numbers. Also if you buy or sell on ebay when you do this you can get your trading partners email out of the deal information and contact them directly for further dealing. At 02:47 AM 1/5/2016, you wrote: >Hello, Question for you all, I've only just noticed the eBay postage rate >on >some items, > >Are out of this world. This is from the USA and England. > >I've been looking for a Rota Button for a SR2 magneto, I found one but they >wanted $40 AUD for postage. > >I asked them if this was correct, and got told " take it or leave it" it's >up to you? > >It's the same with the USA asked again about the postage quoted on a >Magneto >cover for a SR2. > >Got told they'd do a deal, but then saw the price on the cover jump about >$20 USD. > >Some funny people out there. > >Is this eBay's doing or just the sellers? > >So if you can keep an eye on SR2 parts for me I'd appreciate it. > >Andy > >Queensland > >Australia. > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA 1 John 2:23 Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home Hobby Collector and Dealer in John Deere and Hercules Engines. Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com Where Is John Galt --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2016.0.7227 / Virus Database: 4489/11342 - Release Date: 01/07/16 From frappi at wcoil.com Thu Jan 7 10:55:55 2016 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2016 13:55:55 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Postage Rates eBay In-Reply-To: <175352AE46C0497CA577929B1F0AF536@PeterPC> References: <001a01d1478d$64fc1d20$2ef45760$@bigpond.com> <20160106194105.B0F462AED54@smtp.wcoil.com> <175352AE46C0497CA577929B1F0AF536@PeterPC> Message-ID: <20160107185405.4314C2AED11@smtp.wcoil.com> Many sellers do know they can opt for the First Class or Flat Rate Priority Mail but its the insurance stipulations forced on us by Ebay and Pay Pal that brings one to pause. We can not insure that First Class package or Flat Rate Priority Mail package thus making it untrackable I do not mind sending a $10.. item untrackable, uninsured but when it comes to a hand full of magneto parts that totals up to $300. it brings one to think twice. Since US Postal started putting tracking on all items except the economy First Class envelopes in the US I have not had a loss in mail except for just the packages that have no tracking, imagine that. LOL. Only first class packages sent economy without tracking are coming up missing according to the receivers. Out of approximately 700 packages sent last year only two went astray and they were the economy First Class US packages. Fortunately I have had no problems with the UK and AU buyers. All great so far.!! Mark At 12:49 AM 1/7/2016, you wrote: >Hi Mark >I communicate with all my sellers firstly through eBay, I have also created >a picture of my email address which I send them. I then ask them to contact >me privately via that image address being careful how I say it. Never been >pinged in over 10 years of doing it that way. >Previously I have had a couple of 24 hour suspensions ;-) for not playing >the game, must be the rebel in me. >If the seller is using Pitney Bowes, that is where the trouble starts, some >times they re-box and their international insurance is not worth the paper >it is written on. >I think for you guys in the USA, when you formulate your advert or forces >you to Priority International, but if you look carefully you DO NOT have to >take that option, you can select First Class. The only draw back it that >there is a weight limit of around 3lb ?? >If an item is dearer here than the USA, the Oz seller has already added on >the crazy postage price. >You have to communicate with your sellers and explain the reasons why you >want First Class, some say get stuffed others will work with you. >I ask them to waive tracking and insurance, never lost an item yet. >Have fun everyone, it is no longer anywhere near a level playing field. >Peter > > > >Another thing people have to know and understand is that if you ask a >seller a question through the Ebay communication system it is not a >secure email. You know what a I mean the Ask a Seller a Question >thing? Ebay can read those. They are allowed to read them especially >if they suspect a deal is being managed outside of the ebay purchase >system that does not allow them to collect a commission, Fee >Avoidance. So If you want to get the best price on the part and >shipping you have to get the question and answer outside of the Ebay >system. I will reply to requests with a simple reply like frappi >AT wcoil DOT com and hope that the receiver understands and >reformats it to the proper frappi at wcoil.com then email's me directly >so that we can be secure in out communications. If you initiating the >email would do the same with your email it can speed things up. If >ebay catches you trying to deal outside of the sales system they will >suspend you and some times close your account. Phone numbers can >also be sent using the format of 4one9-3 five 8 5 two 0 >six Otherwise they will filter out the email address and phone numbers. > Also if you buy or sell on ebay when you do this you can get your >trading partners email out of the deal information and contact them >directly for further dealing. > > > > >At 02:47 AM 1/5/2016, you wrote: > >Hello, Question for you all, I've only just noticed the eBay postage rate > >on > >some items, > > > >Are out of this world. This is from the USA and England. > > > >I've been looking for a Rota Button for a SR2 magneto, I found one but they > >wanted $40 AUD for postage. > > > >I asked them if this was correct, and got told " take it or leave it" it's > >up to you? > > > >It's the same with the USA asked again about the postage quoted on a > >Magneto > >cover for a SR2. > > > >Got told they'd do a deal, but then saw the price on the cover jump about > >$20 USD. > > > >Some funny people out there. > > > >Is this eBay's doing or just the sellers? > > > >So if you can keep an eye on SR2 parts for me I'd appreciate it. > > > >Andy > > > >Queensland > > > >Australia. > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >Mark Shulaw >454 County Road 33 >Bluffton, OH. 45817 >USA >1 >John 2:23 > >Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home >Hobby Collector and Dealer in John Deere >and Hercules Engines. >Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. >VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com >Where Is John Galt > > >--- >This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >https://www.avast.com/antivirus > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >----- >No virus found in this message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 2016.0.7227 / Virus Database: 4489/11342 - Release Date: 01/07/16 > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA 1 John 2:23 Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home Hobby Collector and Dealer in John Deere and Hercules Engines. Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com Where Is John Galt --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From frappi at wcoil.com Thu Jan 7 12:22:50 2016 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2016 15:22:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Re: Postage Rates eBay In-Reply-To: <20160106194105.B0F462AED54@smtp.wcoil.com> References: <001a01d1478d$64fc1d20$2ef45760$@bigpond.com> <20160106194105.B0F462AED54@smtp.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <20160107202059.B5F062AEAE9@smtp.wcoil.com> PS: US Postal Service rates are increasing again Jan 17 2016 Ebay calculators are already taking this into consideration. A 1 pound 8 ounce Priority Mail package that priced out the other day to Australia for $45.00 is now pricing out at $49 and change. Mark Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA 1 John 2:23 Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home Hobby Collector and Dealer in John Deere and Hercules Engines. Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com Where Is John Galt --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From rknapp at socket.net Thu Jan 7 15:13:34 2016 From: rknapp at socket.net (Richard Knapp) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 17:13:34 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Postage Rates eBay In-Reply-To: <20160107185405.4314C2AED11@smtp.wcoil.com> References: <001a01d1478d$64fc1d20$2ef45760$@bigpond.com> <20160106194105.B0F462AED54@smtp.wcoil.com> <175352AE46C0497CA577929B1F0AF536@PeterPC> <20160107185405.4314C2AED11@smtp.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <568EF11E.5050402@socket.net> Items sent first class, from the US at least, are trackable and are insured for $50.00 US. This seems to be something new. Richard On 1/7/2016 12:55 PM, Mark Shulaw wrote: > Many sellers do know they can opt for the First Class or Flat Rate > Priority Mail but its the insurance stipulations forced on us by Ebay > and Pay Pal that brings one to pause. We can not insure that First > Class package or Flat Rate Priority Mail package thus making it > untrackable I do not mind sending a $10.. item > untrackable, uninsured but when it comes to a hand full of magneto > parts that totals up to $300. it brings one to think twice. Since > US Postal started putting tracking on all items except the economy > First Class envelopes in the US I have not had a loss in mail except > for just the packages that have no tracking, imagine that. LOL. Only > first class packages sent economy without tracking are coming up > missing according to the receivers. Out of approximately 700 packages > sent last year only two went astray and they were the economy First > Class US packages. Fortunately I have had no problems with the UK and > AU buyers. All great so far.!! Mark > > At 12:49 AM 1/7/2016, you wrote: >> Hi Mark >> I communicate with all my sellers firstly through eBay, I have also created >> a picture of my email address which I send them. I then ask them to contact >> me privately via that image address being careful how I say it. Never been >> pinged in over 10 years of doing it that way. >> Previously I have had a couple of 24 hour suspensions ;-) for not playing >> the game, must be the rebel in me. >> If the seller is using Pitney Bowes, that is where the trouble starts, some >> times they re-box and their international insurance is not worth the paper >> it is written on. >> I think for you guys in the USA, when you formulate your advert or forces >> you to Priority International, but if you look carefully you DO NOT have to >> take that option, you can select First Class. The only draw back it that >> there is a weight limit of around 3lb ?? >> If an item is dearer here than the USA, the Oz seller has already added on >> the crazy postage price. >> You have to communicate with your sellers and explain the reasons why you >> want First Class, some say get stuffed others will work with you. >> I ask them to waive tracking and insurance, never lost an item yet. >> Have fun everyone, it is no longer anywhere near a level playing field. >> Peter >> >> >> >> Another thing people have to know and understand is that if you ask a >> seller a question through the Ebay communication system it is not a >> secure email. You know what a I mean the Ask a Seller a Question >> thing? Ebay can read those. They are allowed to read them especially >> if they suspect a deal is being managed outside of the ebay purchase >> system that does not allow them to collect a commission, Fee >> Avoidance. So If you want to get the best price on the part and >> shipping you have to get the question and answer outside of the Ebay >> system. I will reply to requests with a simple reply like frappi >> AT wcoil DOT com and hope that the receiver understands and >> reformats it to the proper frappi at wcoil.com then email's me directly >> so that we can be secure in out communications. If you initiating the >> email would do the same with your email it can speed things up. If >> ebay catches you trying to deal outside of the sales system they will >> suspend you and some times close your account. Phone numbers can >> also be sent using the format of 4one9-3 five 8 5 two 0 >> six Otherwise they will filter out the email address and phone numbers. >> Also if you buy or sell on ebay when you do this you can get your >> trading partners email out of the deal information and contact them >> directly for further dealing. >> >> >> >> >> At 02:47 AM 1/5/2016, you wrote: >>> Hello, Question for you all, I've only just noticed the eBay postage rate >>> on >>> some items, >>> >>> Are out of this world. This is from the USA and England. >>> >>> I've been looking for a Rota Button for a SR2 magneto, I found one but they >>> wanted $40 AUD for postage. >>> >>> I asked them if this was correct, and got told " take it or leave it" it's >>> up to you? >>> >>> It's the same with the USA asked again about the postage quoted on a >>> Magneto >>> cover for a SR2. >>> >>> Got told they'd do a deal, but then saw the price on the cover jump about >>> $20 USD. >>> >>> Some funny people out there. >>> >>> Is this eBay's doing or just the sellers? >>> >>> So if you can keep an eye on SR2 parts for me I'd appreciate it. >>> >>> Andy >>> >>> Queensland >>> >>> Australia. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> Mark Shulaw >> 454 County Road 33 >> Bluffton, OH. 45817 >> USA >> 1 >> John 2:23 >> >> Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home >> Hobby Collector and Dealer in John Deere >> and Hercules Engines. >> Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. >> VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com >> Where Is John Galt >> >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 2016.0.7227 / Virus Database: 4489/11342 - Release Date: 01/07/16 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > Mark Shulaw > 454 County Road 33 > Bluffton, OH. 45817 > USA > 1 > John 2:23 > > Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home > Hobby Collector and Dealer in John Deere > and Hercules Engines. > Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. > VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com > Where Is John Galt > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- *Richard Knapp rknapp at socket.net http://www.centralmissourigrainsforfood.com It is probable that improbable things will happen. Archimedes * --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From frappi at wcoil.com Thu Jan 7 19:59:00 2016 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2016 22:59:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Postage Rates eBay In-Reply-To: <568EF11E.5050402@socket.net> References: <001a01d1478d$64fc1d20$2ef45760$@bigpond.com> <20160106194105.B0F462AED54@smtp.wcoil.com> <175352AE46C0497CA577929B1F0AF536@PeterPC> <20160107185405.4314C2AED11@smtp.wcoil.com> <568EF11E.5050402@socket.net> Message-ID: <20160108035710.6C26C2AEAD4@smtp.wcoil.com> The only extra services I can buy for First Class International to say Australia is Certificate of Mailing and Delivery Confirmation. Maybe you can track it with Delivery Confirmation but that service is an additional $13.95 At 06:13 PM 1/7/2016, you wrote: >Items sent first class, from the US at least, are trackable and are >insured for $50.00 US. This seems to be something new. > >Richard > >On 1/7/2016 12:55 PM, Mark Shulaw wrote: > > Many sellers do know they can opt for the First Class or Flat Rate > > Priority Mail but its the insurance stipulations forced on us by Ebay > > and Pay Pal that brings one to pause. We can not insure that First > > Class package or Flat Rate Priority Mail package thus making it > > untrackable I do not mind sending a $10.. item > > untrackable, uninsured but when it comes to a hand full of magneto > > parts that totals up to $300. it brings one to think twice. Since > > US Postal started putting tracking on all items except the economy > > First Class envelopes in the US I have not had a loss in mail except > > for just the packages that have no tracking, imagine that. LOL. Only > > first class packages sent economy without tracking are coming up > > missing according to the receivers. Out of approximately 700 packages > > sent last year only two went astray and they were the economy First > > Class US packages. Fortunately I have had no problems with the UK and > > AU buyers. All great so far.!! Mark > > > > At 12:49 AM 1/7/2016, you wrote: > >> Hi Mark > >> I communicate with all my sellers firstly through eBay, I have > also created > >> a picture of my email address which I send them. I then ask them > to contact > >> me privately via that image address being careful how I say it. Never been > >> pinged in over 10 years of doing it that way. > >> Previously I have had a couple of 24 hour suspensions ;-) for not playing > >> the game, must be the rebel in me. > >> If the seller is using Pitney Bowes, that is where the trouble > starts, some > >> times they re-box and their international insurance is not worth the paper > >> it is written on. > >> I think for you guys in the USA, when you formulate your advert or forces > >> you to Priority International, but if you look carefully you DO > NOT have to > >> take that option, you can select First Class. The only draw back it that > >> there is a weight limit of around 3lb ?? > >> If an item is dearer here than the USA, the Oz seller has already added on > >> the crazy postage price. > >> You have to communicate with your sellers and explain the reasons why you > >> want First Class, some say get stuffed others will work with you. > >> I ask them to waive tracking and insurance, never lost an item yet. > >> Have fun everyone, it is no longer anywhere near a level playing field. > >> Peter > >> > >> > >> > >> Another thing people have to know and understand is that if you ask a > >> seller a question through the Ebay communication system it is not a > >> secure email. You know what a I mean the Ask a Seller a Question > >> thing? Ebay can read those. They are allowed to read them especially > >> if they suspect a deal is being managed outside of the ebay purchase > >> system that does not allow them to collect a commission, Fee > >> Avoidance. So If you want to get the best price on the part and > >> shipping you have to get the question and answer outside of the Ebay > >> system. I will reply to requests with a simple reply like frappi > >> AT wcoil DOT com and hope that the receiver understands and > >> reformats it to the proper frappi at wcoil.com then email's me directly > >> so that we can be secure in out communications. If you initiating the > >> email would do the same with your email it can speed things up. If > >> ebay catches you trying to deal outside of the sales system they will > >> suspend you and some times close your account. Phone numbers can > >> also be sent using the format of 4one9-3 five 8 5 two 0 > >> six Otherwise they will filter out the email address and phone numbers. > >> Also if you buy or sell on ebay when you do this you can get your > >> trading partners email out of the deal information and contact them > >> directly for further dealing. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> At 02:47 AM 1/5/2016, you wrote: > >>> Hello, Question for you all, I've only just noticed the eBay postage rate > >>> on > >>> some items, > >>> > >>> Are out of this world. This is from the USA and England. > >>> > >>> I've been looking for a Rota Button for a SR2 magneto, I found > one but they > >>> wanted $40 AUD for postage. > >>> > >>> I asked them if this was correct, and got told " take it or > leave it" it's > >>> up to you? > >>> > >>> It's the same with the USA asked again about the postage quoted on a > >>> Magneto > >>> cover for a SR2. > >>> > >>> Got told they'd do a deal, but then saw the price on the cover jump about > >>> $20 USD. > >>> > >>> Some funny people out there. > >>> > >>> Is this eBay's doing or just the sellers? > >>> > >>> So if you can keep an eye on SR2 parts for me I'd appreciate it. > >>> > >>> Andy > >>> > >>> Queensland > >>> > >>> Australia. > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> SEL mailing list > >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > >> Mark Shulaw > >> 454 County Road 33 > >> Bluffton, OH. 45817 > >> USA > >> > 1 > >> John 2:23 > >> > >> Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home > >> Hobby Collector and Dealer in John Deere > >> and Hercules Engines. > >> Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. > >> VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com > >> Where Is John Galt > >> > >> > >> --- > >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > >> > >> ----- > >> No virus found in this message. > >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > >> Version: 2016.0.7227 / Virus Database: 4489/11342 - Release Date: 01/07/16 > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > Mark Shulaw > > 454 County Road 33 > > Bluffton, OH. 45817 > > USA > > > 1 > > John 2:23 > > > > Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home > > Hobby Collector and Dealer in John Deere > > and Hercules Engines. > > Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. > > VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com > > Where Is John Galt > > > > > > --- > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > >-- >*Richard Knapp >rknapp at socket.net >http://www.centralmissourigrainsforfood.com > >It is probable that improbable things will happen. > >Archimedes * > > >--- >This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >https://www.avast.com/antivirus >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA 1 John 2:23 Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home Hobby Collector and Dealer in John Deere and Hercules Engines. Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com Where Is John Galt --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From cgandree at mchsi.com Sat Jan 16 04:59:04 2016 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2016 07:59:04 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Fwd: A 150-Year-Old Steamboat (Ifound the pic and artifacts interesting) In-Reply-To: <81542d.4c0b1094.43c3b69c@aol.com> References: <81542d.4c0b1094.43c3b69c@aol.com> Message-ID: <1785263509.16725236.1452949144231.JavaMail.zimbra@mchsi.com> Thought this might be an interesting story to share with the group. Thank you, Curt Andree ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Cgandree at aol.com To: cgandree at mchsi.com Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2016 7:29:00 AM Subject: Fwd: Fw: A 150-Year-Old Steamboat (Ifound the pic and artifacts interesting) ____________________________________ What They Found Inside The Sunken Remains Of A 150-Year-Old Steamboat Is Still Edible. When they dug up this old sunken steamboat, they couldn't believe what they found. (http://www.wimp.com/cargo-perfectly-preserved-in-hundred-fifty-year-old-sunken-steamboat/?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=story ) What They Found Inside The Sunken Remains Of A 150-Year-Old Steamboat Is Still Edible In 1856, the Steamboat Arabia left the banks of Kansas City on a routine supply trip up the Missouri River. Onboard were two hundred tons of precious cargo en route to 16 different towns along the frontier. Steamboats were common in those days, as they were the best method of traveling up and down America's river systems. These boats were a big business at the time and were absolutely essential for trade and commerce. Unfortunately for the Steamboat Arabia, a fallen walnut tree was waiting just below the surface of the water, hidden from sight thanks to the glare on the water from the setting sun. The impact instantly tore the hull and the boat sank in minutes. Thankfully, everyone on board was able to swim to safety, except for one poor mule who was tied to the deck and forgotten in the chaos. The soft river bottom quickly engulfed the boat in mud and silt and in just a few days, it was swept away entirely due to the force of the river. Over time, the river shifted course and for the next 132 years, the Arabia was lost to the world until it was discovered in the 1980s, 45 feet deep underneath a Kansas farm. Legend of the sunken ship had been passed on through the generations in the area and inspired local Bob Hawley to find it in 1987. He and his sons used old maps and sophisticated equipment to eventually find the boat half a mile away from the present-day river. The farmers who owned the land agreed to let them dig it up - as long as they were done in time for the spring planting season. All manner of heavy equipment was brought in, including a 100-ton crane. 20,000 gallons of water had to be removed into 65-foot-deep wells. After two weeks of excavation, the first parts of the boat appeared - the remains of the left paddlewheel and this small black rubber shoe that was lying on the deck. They also recovered fine china, fully preserved along with its yellow packing straw. It had all been preserved perfectly thanks to the airtight mud. ? For ? On November 26, 1988, the full boat was uncovered along with its 200 tons of buried treasure. With no air to cause spoilage, thousands of items were recovered completely intact. Jars of preserved foods were still totally edible. One brave excavator even tested it out by eating a pickle from one of the jars and found it to still be fresh. Today, the artifacts are all housed in a museum in Kansas City called the Steamboat Arabia Museum. One of their displays is the fully preserved skeleton of that poor mule. These jars of preserved fruits are just some of the relics recovered from the Arabia. Thinking of all those unmade pies kinda makes me sad ... Though most of the hats recovered from the Steamboat Arabia were wool felt, this hat is one of a rare few that were made of beaver fur, which is naturally water resistant. All manner of clothing was found. Much of it could still be worn today. The ship also had over 4,000 shoes, all packed up and ready for delivery. Some shoes were even lined with buffalo hair for extra warmth. A keg of ale from 1856. These bottles of French perfume were still fragrant when they were recovered. Ever wondered what the 1800s smelled like? Just a few of the 29 different patterns of calico buttons found on the Arabia. Calico fabric was a type of cotton printed with small, repeating patterns named after its point of origin, Calcutta (now Kolkata), India. The fabric was quite popular in England and the Western world and the Steamboat Arabia had several calico dresses that sadly did not survive that much time underwater. The dresses did have porcelain buttons printed in the same patterns as the dresses, however, which shows us what kinds of designs people were wearing back in those times. A variety of (mostly unidentified) vintage medicines. A sampling of some of the other relics recovered from the steamboat. Would you try this 150-year-old pickle? ? For those that can, study the bottle seals. For those in insurance, study the packing of the unbroken teapots!? ____________________________________ (https://www.avast.com/antivirus) This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. _www.avast.com_ (https://www.avast.com/antivirus) (https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient) This email has been sent from a virus-free computer protected by Avast. _www.avast.com_ (https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient) From bboyce at swat.coop Sat Jan 16 13:38:48 2016 From: bboyce at swat.coop (bill boyce) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2016 15:38:48 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Fwd: A 150-Year-Old Steamboat (Ifound the pic and artifacts interesting) In-Reply-To: <1785263509.16725236.1452949144231.JavaMail.zimbra@mchsi.com> References: <81542d.4c0b1094.43c3b69c@aol.com> <1785263509.16725236.1452949144231.JavaMail.zimbra@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <00124EC59892460DADA0062CC82DAA62@billPC> I've been to the museum 3 times and still find it amazing. the guys that found the boat and created the museum are great to visit with,, really a nice group. I like to describe what was found on board the boat as a 19th century WalMart. it is well worth a trip to KC to visit it. bill boyce arkansas ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "SEL Lists" Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2016 6:59 AM Subject: [SEL] Fwd: A 150-Year-Old Steamboat (Ifound the pic and artifacts interesting) > Thought this might be an interesting story to share with the group. > Thank you, > Curt Andree > From jbcast at charter.net Sat Jan 16 19:38:08 2016 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2016 20:38:08 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Fwd: A 150-Year-Old Steamboat (Ifound the pic and artifacts interesting) Message-ID: <6re61s00H1W9fHA01re68Y@charter.net> There was a similar undertaking north of here near Fort Adams, Mississippi. I met Jerry Moore while riding passengers in my boat at the Madisonville Wooden Boat Festival. He told me he was digging up a steam boat that had sunk in 1837. We were invited to go to the site, a privilege as it was gated and closely guarded. The dig had been going on for about 5 years, only when the river was low enough to allow it. Because of the river changes the boat was now under a field 1 1/2 miles from the river. The dig was a bowl about 700' wide, 150' deep. There were 30 diesel pumps pumping an estimated 1.000,000 gallons of water a day out of the hole. Sheet pilings were driven around the overturned boat to allow them to dig the last 20' around it. Even with the pumps running only about two feet of the hull was above the water line. I got to stand on the hull, the oak planks were as if they were cut recently. They cut a hole in the hull, the planks were 3 X 12 oak, ribs were 6x6 about 4 inches apart. A week later Jerry sent me a picture of the inside of the hull, a strut to support the rudder had a square nut, the threads were still in good shape. He was under a lot of pressure from his investors, divorced his wife, didn't see much of his children, died on a bulldozer about a month later. I believe the project was abandoned. The following submitted by site benefactor Jerry Canavit [1] I don't know how much could be left of the BEN SHERROD [2] to excavate. The fire must have consumed quite a bit - and the following explosions must have distributed boat and cargo over a pretty wide area. If you learn anything more about this project, let me know. BEN SHERROD accident recap from Jerry: On May 8, 1837, while racing the steamer PRAIRIE [3], the BEN SHERROD [4] caught fire about 14 miles above Ft. Adams, MS. The deck and engine room crew were snockered on whiskey and the boilers became overheated and set fire to about 60 cords of resin-dripping wood. The forward section quickly became an inferno. The fire burned through the wheel ropes as the SHERROD [5] continued upstream with no method of steering her to the bank. Hordes of people took to the water to escape the flames - people fought for floating objects - women and children were thrown aside by scoundrels trying to save their own skin. Ironically, the PRAIRIE [6] didn't bother to stop and assist - she continued on to Natchez only to report that the SHERROD [7] was on fire. The steamer ALTON [8], while racing to aid the stricken steamer, blundered through the water and succeeded in running down many of the survivors in the water. The fire continued to spread, next setting off (like a cannon) the barrel of whiskey that inebriated crew had been enjoying. Next, the boilers went off in a devastating roar. The final death-blow came when 40 barrels of gun powder exploded in a report that was heard for miles. The SHERROD [9] accident was one of the finest examples of humanity at it worse - panic, greed and self-preservation. 72 people were reported to have died. ----------------------------------------- Links: ------ [1] mailto:JCanavit at aol.com [2] http://www.riverboatdaves.com/riverboats/b-1-6.html#BSHAR [3] http://www.riverboatdaves.com/riverboats/p-2.html#PRAIR [4] http://www.riverboatdaves.com/riverboats/b-1-6.html#BSHAR [5] http://www.riverboatdaves.com/riverboats/b-1-6.html#BSHAR [6] http://www.riverboatdaves.com/riverboats/p-2.html#PRAIR [7] http://www.riverboatdaves.com/riverboats/b-1-6.html#BSHAR [8] http://www.riverboatdaves.com/riverboats/a.html#ALTON [9] http://www.riverboatdaves.com/riverboats/b-1-6.html#BSHAR From fero_ah at verizon.net Sun Jan 17 12:26:49 2016 From: fero_ah at verizon.net (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2016 14:26:49 -0600 (CST) Subject: [SEL] Fwd: A 150-Year-Old Steamboat (Ifound the pic and artifacts interesting) Message-ID: <1787474375.405157.1453062409703.JavaMail.root@vznit170074.mailsrvcs.net> Curt, There's an interesting Pittsburgh connection to the Arabia. Check it out. [1]http://triblive.com/lifestyles/history/5932694-74/arabia-steamboat-s ays#axzz3xXCtTIKS [2]http://www.heinzhistorycenter.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Press-R elease-4-26-14-Steamboat-Arabia-exhibit.pdf [3]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oc8-tDAYQMc See ya, Arnie Jan 16, 2016 08:20:44 AM, sel at lists.stationary-engine.com wrote: Thought this might be an interesting story to share with the group. Thank you, Curt Andree References 1. http://triblive.com/lifestyles/history/5932694-74/arabia-steamboat-says#axzz3xXCtTIKS 2. http://www.heinzhistorycenter.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Press-Release-4-26-14-Steamboat-Arabia-exhibit.pdf 3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oc8-tDAYQMc From cgandree at mchsi.com Mon Jan 4 05:26:38 2016 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2016 08:26:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] DAVE CROFT In-Reply-To: <739705456.14812983.1451913820095.JavaMail.zimbra@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <1515546398.14813413.1451913998021.JavaMail.zimbra@mchsi.com> Wondering if any one near Warren, England could check on my old friend Dave Croft as he may be either in the hospital or passed on. His cell phone number is: 0192565710 I would be very great full to any one that could try to contact him and let me know is status. Thank you in advance, Curt Andree From rustyiron1 at bigpond.com Mon Jan 4 23:47:57 2016 From: rustyiron1 at bigpond.com (Andy Nicholson) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 17:47:57 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Postage Rates eBay Message-ID: <001a01d1478d$64fc1d20$2ef45760$@bigpond.com> Hello, Question for you all, I've only just noticed the eBay postage rate on some items, Are out of this world. This is from the USA and England. I've been looking for a Rota Button for a SR2 magneto, I found one but they wanted $40 AUD for postage. I asked them if this was correct, and got told " take it or leave it" it's up to you? It's the same with the USA asked again about the postage quoted on a Magneto cover for a SR2. Got told they'd do a deal, but then saw the price on the cover jump about $20 USD. Some funny people out there. Is this eBay's doing or just the sellers? So if you can keep an eye on SR2 parts for me I'd appreciate it. Andy Queensland Australia. From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Jan 5 00:12:15 2016 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 19:12:15 +1100 Subject: [SEL] =?utf-8?q?Spam=3E_Re=3A__Postage_Rates_eBay?= In-Reply-To: <001a01d1478d$64fc1d20$2ef45760$@bigpond.com> References: <001a01d1478d$64fc1d20$2ef45760$@bigpond.com> Message-ID: <702F2D079C0149F8B1AD2D6F2CECEFDD@REGPC> Andy, mate, ALL this has come about because the "postal 'service'" has allowed itself to be shown as "Lacking". Instead of 'seeing' why, they used the old age reflex, "Put up the prices" So, now we have a so called service, that is beyond our pockets! ALL the answers ARE there for all to see!! (But I am a politician, so I don?t need to look) Mate, our world IS crumbling !! Ha! we were going to send calendars to relatives this past Christmas season. The cost of postage was higher than the cost of the items!!! And you wonder why they are going broke?? I am sending a 'gift' to a mate in USA. Freight is $350. The PO wont even look at it as it is above what they want to carry. Is that the way to run a profitable venture?? The world of sanity and reason has "Just left the building". I am so glad I am an"OLD FART", and wont have to see the crap that WILL descend soon. Grin. end of rant. Reg -----Original Message----- From: Andy Nicholson Sent: Tuesday, January 5, 2016 6:47 PM To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Postage Rates eBay Hello, Question for you all, I've only just noticed the eBay postage rate on some items, Are out of this world. This is from the USA and England. I've been looking for a Rota Button for a SR2 magneto, I found one but they wanted $40 AUD for postage. I asked them if this was correct, and got told " take it or leave it" it's up to you? It's the same with the USA asked again about the postage quoted on a Magneto cover for a SR2. Got told they'd do a deal, but then saw the price on the cover jump about $20 USD. Some funny people out there. Is this eBay's doing or just the sellers? So if you can keep an eye on SR2 parts for me I'd appreciate it. Andy Queensland Australia. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From plowe at exemail.com.au Tue Jan 5 01:15:11 2016 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 20:15:11 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Re: Postage Rates eBay In-Reply-To: <702F2D079C0149F8B1AD2D6F2CECEFDD@REGPC> References: <001a01d1478d$64fc1d20$2ef45760$@bigpond.com> <702F2D079C0149F8B1AD2D6F2CECEFDD@REGPC> Message-ID: <79BC5052854D4164ACD823EA1D293FEF@PeterPC> Hi Reg and others I recently had a parcel from USA to Oz take 53 days, and no not surface mail, it was Priority International Air Mail. It sat in Sydney for 43 days and when I rang Australia Post they said the tracking number was in their system but they could not tell me where it was. Was is the point of tracking if you can't track. Australia Post deserve what they get for being an inefficient dinosaur still living in the 18th century. On the day this parcel finally arrived, so did a parcel from Canada, it took 8 days, go figure. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm Andy, mate, ALL this has come about because the "postal 'service'" has allowed itself to be shown as "Lacking". Instead of 'seeing' why, they used the old age reflex, "Put up the prices" So, now we have a so called service, that is beyond our pockets! ALL the answers ARE there for all to see!! (But I am a politician, so I don?t need to look) Mate, our world IS crumbling !! Ha! we were going to send calendars to relatives this past Christmas season. The cost of postage was higher than the cost of the items!!! And you wonder why they are going broke?? I am sending a 'gift' to a mate in USA. Freight is $350. The PO wont even look at it as it is above what they want to carry. Is that the way to run a profitable venture?? The world of sanity and reason has "Just left the building". I am so glad I am an"OLD FART", and wont have to see the crap that WILL descend soon. Grin. end of rant. Reg -----Original Message----- From: Andy Nicholson Sent: Tuesday, January 5, 2016 6:47 PM To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Postage Rates eBay Hello, Question for you all, I've only just noticed the eBay postage rate on some items, Are out of this world. This is from the USA and England. I've been looking for a Rota Button for a SR2 magneto, I found one but they wanted $40 AUD for postage. I asked them if this was correct, and got told " take it or leave it" it's up to you? It's the same with the USA asked again about the postage quoted on a Magneto cover for a SR2. Got told they'd do a deal, but then saw the price on the cover jump about $20 USD. Some funny people out there. Is this eBay's doing or just the sellers? So if you can keep an eye on SR2 parts for me I'd appreciate it. Andy Queensland Australia. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From plowe at exemail.com.au Tue Jan 5 01:38:31 2016 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 20:38:31 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Postage Rates eBay In-Reply-To: <001a01d1478d$64fc1d20$2ef45760$@bigpond.com> References: <001a01d1478d$64fc1d20$2ef45760$@bigpond.com> Message-ID: <9C7B4C2CD02242F6B54A54B08F147C92@PeterPC> Hi Andy USA ebay sellers are being hood winked by ebay's third party freight network, Pitney Bowes. The reason the postage is expensive is that it comes as Priority International Air Mail, the cheapest way for us is First Class International Air Mail, about a quarter of the cost. The eBay freighting system is a rip-off to sellers and buyers. Postage has nothing to do with ebay but some how they have let this company run things. It might be OK for ebay power sellers to have Pitney Bowes do their packing, customs forms and postage but it is costing the small seller and the buyer. I always ask the seller will they post First Class International Air Mail, this does have a weight limit, and if they will not I just don't buy. Some get very uptight if you try and get them to change. They are forced to send Priority International Air Mail unless they tick the right boxes when formulating their selling adverts. You are right, sometimes a $5 item has a postage to Oz $50 to $100, this is why. The Yanks are funny about someone outside the Good Old USA asks them to change something as simple as postage or anything for that matter. As you said they just reply with "take it or leave it", mmmmmmmmmm !! maybe it is ignorance of a system they do not quite understand I don't know. Of course I have hundreds of the best American mates and my rant is just a generalization. Posting inside Oz, get a postage booklet from the PO, read it and see how you can save money. I send some strange things as a large letter, $1.20. Max 20mm thick and 500 gms weight. I sent a sheet of aluminium and the post lady said parcel and will cost $7.60. I said large letter at $1.20 and no more, read you guide lines. I won. Look also at post bags rather than boxing etc. The recent loss is $1 for a letter, but I don't send letters so I don't care. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm Hello, Question for you all, I've only just noticed the eBay postage rate on some items, Are out of this world. This is from the USA and England. I've been looking for a Rota Button for a SR2 magneto, I found one but they wanted $40 AUD for postage. I asked them if this was correct, and got told " take it or leave it" it's up to you? It's the same with the USA asked again about the postage quoted on a Magneto cover for a SR2. Got told they'd do a deal, but then saw the price on the cover jump about $20 USD. Some funny people out there. Is this eBay's doing or just the sellers? So if you can keep an eye on SR2 parts for me I'd appreciate it. Andy Queensland Australia. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From wilson at stny.rr.com Tue Jan 5 01:48:23 2016 From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 04:48:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Postage Rates eBay In-Reply-To: <001a01d1478d$64fc1d20$2ef45760$@bigpond.com> References: <001a01d1478d$64fc1d20$2ef45760$@bigpond.com> Message-ID: <70DC9582-80B5-4E00-8A9A-7839F3CAE356@stny.rr.com> I see it now and then. Yes it is ridiculous. Once I asked the seller and he changed the price to a reasonable one. Glenn Wilson Endicott, NY www.WilsonsWarbler.com On Jan 5, 2016, at 2:47 AM, Andy Nicholson wrote: Hello, Question for you all, I've only just noticed the eBay postage rate on some items, Are out of this world. This is from the USA and England. I've been looking for a Rota Button for a SR2 magneto, I found one but they wanted $40 AUD for postage. I asked them if this was correct, and got told " take it or leave it" it's up to you? It's the same with the USA asked again about the postage quoted on a Magneto cover for a SR2. Got told they'd do a deal, but then saw the price on the cover jump about $20 USD. Some funny people out there. Is this eBay's doing or just the sellers? So if you can keep an eye on SR2 parts for me I'd appreciate it. Andy Queensland Australia. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From nickholden55 at hotmail.com Tue Jan 5 09:55:27 2016 From: nickholden55 at hotmail.com (Nick Holden) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 17:55:27 +0000 Subject: [SEL] SR2 mag Message-ID: Hi andy Have a look hear for your mag parts in England but not that far to you !!! http://www.magneto-ignition.co.uk/ Nick Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From rustyiron1 at bigpond.com Tue Jan 5 23:25:48 2016 From: rustyiron1 at bigpond.com (Andy Nicholson) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 17:25:48 +1000 Subject: [SEL] SR2 mag In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001b01d14853$7742b180$65c81480$@bigpond.com> Thanks Nick, I've sent an email, can't hurt to ask? Andy. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Nick Holden Sent: Wednesday, 6 January 2016 3:55 AM To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] SR2 mag Hi andy Have a look hear for your mag parts in England but not that far to you !!! http://www.magneto-ignition.co.uk/ Nick Sent from Mail for Windows 10 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rustyiron1 at bigpond.com Tue Jan 5 23:31:16 2016 From: rustyiron1 at bigpond.com (Andy Nicholson) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 17:31:16 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Postage Rates eBay In-Reply-To: <9C7B4C2CD02242F6B54A54B08F147C92@PeterPC> References: <001a01d1478d$64fc1d20$2ef45760$@bigpond.com> <9C7B4C2CD02242F6B54A54B08F147C92@PeterPC> Message-ID: <001c01d14854$3a84ced0$af8e6c70$@bigpond.com> Hello Peter, I'll try asking to use the Priority International Air Mail and see what happens. The other day I ran out of S/S Lock wire, checked on eBay for some prices and found that I could get a Kilo sent for only $10 AUD from Pommy land. Regards Andy. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Peter Lowe Sent: Tuesday, 5 January 2016 7:39 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Postage Rates eBay Hi Andy USA ebay sellers are being hood winked by ebay's third party freight network, Pitney Bowes. The reason the postage is expensive is that it comes as Priority International Air Mail, the cheapest way for us is First Class International Air Mail, about a quarter of the cost. The eBay freighting system is a rip-off to sellers and buyers. Postage has nothing to do with ebay but some how they have let this company run things. It might be OK for ebay power sellers to have Pitney Bowes do their packing, customs forms and postage but it is costing the small seller and the buyer. I always ask the seller will they post First Class International Air Mail, this does have a weight limit, and if they will not I just don't buy. Some get very uptight if you try and get them to change. They are forced to send Priority International Air Mail unless they tick the right boxes when formulating their selling adverts. You are right, sometimes a $5 item has a postage to Oz $50 to $100, this is why. The Yanks are funny about someone outside the Good Old USA asks them to change something as simple as postage or anything for that matter. As you said they just reply with "take it or leave it", mmmmmmmmmm !! maybe it is ignorance of a system they do not quite understand I don't know. Of course I have hundreds of the best American mates and my rant is just a generalization. Posting inside Oz, get a postage booklet from the PO, read it and see how you can save money. I send some strange things as a large letter, $1.20. Max 20mm thick and 500 gms weight. I sent a sheet of aluminium and the post lady said parcel and will cost $7.60. I said large letter at $1.20 and no more, read you guide lines. I won. Look also at post bags rather than boxing etc. The recent loss is $1 for a letter, but I don't send letters so I don't care. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm Hello, Question for you all, I've only just noticed the eBay postage rate on some items, Are out of this world. This is from the USA and England. I've been looking for a Rota Button for a SR2 magneto, I found one but they wanted $40 AUD for postage. I asked them if this was correct, and got told " take it or leave it" it's up to you? It's the same with the USA asked again about the postage quoted on a Magneto cover for a SR2. Got told they'd do a deal, but then saw the price on the cover jump about $20 USD. Some funny people out there. Is this eBay's doing or just the sellers? So if you can keep an eye on SR2 parts for me I'd appreciate it. Andy Queensland Australia. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From plowe at exemail.com.au Wed Jan 6 03:10:24 2016 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 22:10:24 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Postage Rates eBay In-Reply-To: <001c01d14854$3a84ced0$af8e6c70$@bigpond.com> References: <001a01d1478d$64fc1d20$2ef45760$@bigpond.com><9C7B4C2CD02242F6B54A54B08F147C92@PeterPC> <001c01d14854$3a84ced0$af8e6c70$@bigpond.com> Message-ID: <80253EF0D4A54DFDBE6C83D9AEDB5CA3@PeterPC> Hi Andy. no mate, you need to ask for First Class International from the USA, NOT Priority. Peter Hello Peter, I'll try asking to use the Priority International Air Mail and see what happens. The other day I ran out of S/S Lock wire, checked on eBay for some prices and found that I could get a Kilo sent for only $10 AUD from Pommy land. Regards Andy. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Peter Lowe Sent: Tuesday, 5 January 2016 7:39 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Postage Rates eBay Hi Andy USA ebay sellers are being hood winked by ebay's third party freight network, Pitney Bowes. The reason the postage is expensive is that it comes as Priority International Air Mail, the cheapest way for us is First Class International Air Mail, about a quarter of the cost. The eBay freighting system is a rip-off to sellers and buyers. Postage has nothing to do with ebay but some how they have let this company run things. It might be OK for ebay power sellers to have Pitney Bowes do their packing, customs forms and postage but it is costing the small seller and the buyer. I always ask the seller will they post First Class International Air Mail, this does have a weight limit, and if they will not I just don't buy. Some get very uptight if you try and get them to change. They are forced to send Priority International Air Mail unless they tick the right boxes when formulating their selling adverts. You are right, sometimes a $5 item has a postage to Oz $50 to $100, this is why. The Yanks are funny about someone outside the Good Old USA asks them to change something as simple as postage or anything for that matter. As you said they just reply with "take it or leave it", mmmmmmmmmm !! maybe it is ignorance of a system they do not quite understand I don't know. Of course I have hundreds of the best American mates and my rant is just a generalization. Posting inside Oz, get a postage booklet from the PO, read it and see how you can save money. I send some strange things as a large letter, $1.20. Max 20mm thick and 500 gms weight. I sent a sheet of aluminium and the post lady said parcel and will cost $7.60. I said large letter at $1.20 and no more, read you guide lines. I won. Look also at post bags rather than boxing etc. The recent loss is $1 for a letter, but I don't send letters so I don't care. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm Hello, Question for you all, I've only just noticed the eBay postage rate on some items, Are out of this world. This is from the USA and England. I've been looking for a Rota Button for a SR2 magneto, I found one but they wanted $40 AUD for postage. I asked them if this was correct, and got told " take it or leave it" it's up to you? It's the same with the USA asked again about the postage quoted on a Magneto cover for a SR2. Got told they'd do a deal, but then saw the price on the cover jump about $20 USD. Some funny people out there. Is this eBay's doing or just the sellers? So if you can keep an eye on SR2 parts for me I'd appreciate it. Andy Queensland Australia. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From frappi at wcoil.com Wed Jan 6 10:52:54 2016 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2016 13:52:54 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Postage Rates eBay In-Reply-To: <80253EF0D4A54DFDBE6C83D9AEDB5CA3@PeterPC> References: <001a01d1478d$64fc1d20$2ef45760$@bigpond.com> <9C7B4C2CD02242F6B54A54B08F147C92@PeterPC> <001c01d14854$3a84ced0$af8e6c70$@bigpond.com> <80253EF0D4A54DFDBE6C83D9AEDB5CA3@PeterPC> Message-ID: <20160106185104.6C4222AECD9@smtp.wcoil.com> International Postage from the US with Ebay sales and PayPal payment is problematic as both entities require the seller to be responsible for the package door to door. Because of this almost all sellers now ship with Priority as that service can be insured. First Class International and many times Priority Mail Flat rate can not be insured. Neither entity allows the seller and buyer to work an agreement on postage. I always used to ask the seller if they want insurance and if not then if they wanted the cheaper postage we could then opt to First Class. But now even if the buyer asks for First Class International without insurance and acknowledges they will not hold seller liable for loss in the mail "in writing" Ebay and PayPal will still hold the seller responsible if a problem arises and the buyer reniggs on his agreement and files for refund with Ebay or PayPal. Been stung a couple times. Considering cutting off International sales due to this problem. Imagine having to ship a $10.00 gasket set international, LOL. I used to offer surface postage as that was very reasonable but the US Postal Service quit offering that option. Its all air now. Mark S. At 06:10 AM 1/6/2016, you wrote: >Hi Andy. no mate, you need to ask for First Class International from the >USA, NOT Priority. >Peter > > > >Hello Peter, I'll try asking to use the Priority International Air Mail and >see what happens. >The other day I ran out of S/S Lock wire, checked on eBay for some prices >and found that I could get a Kilo sent for only $10 AUD from Pommy land. >Regards >Andy. > >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Peter Lowe >Sent: Tuesday, 5 January 2016 7:39 PM >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Postage Rates eBay > >Hi Andy >USA ebay sellers are being hood winked by ebay's third party freight >network, Pitney Bowes. >The reason the postage is expensive is that it comes as Priority >International Air Mail, the cheapest way for us is First Class International >Air Mail, about a quarter of the cost. The eBay freighting system is a >rip-off to sellers and buyers. >Postage has nothing to do with ebay but some how they have let this company >run things. It might be OK for ebay power sellers to have Pitney Bowes do >their packing, customs forms and postage but it is costing the small seller >and the buyer. >I always ask the seller will they post First Class International Air Mail, >this does have a weight limit, and if they will not I just don't buy. Some >get very uptight if you try and get them to change. They are forced to send >Priority International Air Mail unless they tick the right boxes when >formulating their selling adverts. >You are right, sometimes a $5 item has a postage to Oz $50 to $100, this is >why. >The Yanks are funny about someone outside the Good Old USA asks them to >change something as simple as postage or anything for that matter. As you >said they just reply with "take it or leave it", mmmmmmmmmm !! maybe it is >ignorance of a system they do not quite understand I don't know. Of course I >have hundreds of the best American mates and my rant is just a >generalization. > >Posting inside Oz, get a postage booklet from the PO, read it and see how >you can save money. >I send some strange things as a large letter, $1.20. Max 20mm thick and 500 >gms weight. I sent a sheet of aluminium and the post lady said parcel and >will cost $7.60. I said large letter at $1.20 and no more, read you guide >lines. I won. Look also at post bags rather than boxing etc. >The recent loss is $1 for a letter, but I don't send letters so I don't >care. > >Regards >Peter Lowe >R&V Engine Registrar >http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm > > > > >Hello, Question for you all, I've only just noticed the eBay postage rate on >some items, > >Are out of this world. This is from the USA and England. > >I've been looking for a Rota Button for a SR2 magneto, I found one but they >wanted $40 AUD for postage. > >I asked them if this was correct, and got told " take it or leave it" it's >up to you? > >It's the same with the USA asked again about the postage quoted on a Magneto >cover for a SR2. > >Got told they'd do a deal, but then saw the price on the cover jump about >$20 USD. > >Some funny people out there. > >Is this eBay's doing or just the sellers? > >So if you can keep an eye on SR2 parts for me I'd appreciate it. > >Andy > >Queensland > >Australia. > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA 1 John 2:23 Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home Hobby Collector and Dealer in John Deere and Hercules Engines. Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com Where Is John Galt --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From frappi at wcoil.com Wed Jan 6 11:42:55 2016 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2016 14:42:55 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Postage Rates eBay In-Reply-To: <001a01d1478d$64fc1d20$2ef45760$@bigpond.com> References: <001a01d1478d$64fc1d20$2ef45760$@bigpond.com> Message-ID: <20160106194105.B0F462AED54@smtp.wcoil.com> Another thing people have to know and understand is that if you ask a seller a question through the Ebay communication system it is not a secure email. You know what a I mean the Ask a Seller a Question thing? Ebay can read those. They are allowed to read them especially if they suspect a deal is being managed outside of the ebay purchase system that does not allow them to collect a commission, Fee Avoidance. So If you want to get the best price on the part and shipping you have to get the question and answer outside of the Ebay system. I will reply to requests with a simple reply like frappi AT wcoil DOT com and hope that the receiver understands and reformats it to the proper frappi at wcoil.com then email's me directly so that we can be secure in out communications. If you initiating the email would do the same with your email it can speed things up. If ebay catches you trying to deal outside of the sales system they will suspend you and some times close your account. Phone numbers can also be sent using the format of 4one9-3 five 8 5 two 0 six Otherwise they will filter out the email address and phone numbers. Also if you buy or sell on ebay when you do this you can get your trading partners email out of the deal information and contact them directly for further dealing. At 02:47 AM 1/5/2016, you wrote: >Hello, Question for you all, I've only just noticed the eBay postage rate on >some items, > >Are out of this world. This is from the USA and England. > >I've been looking for a Rota Button for a SR2 magneto, I found one but they >wanted $40 AUD for postage. > >I asked them if this was correct, and got told " take it or leave it" it's >up to you? > >It's the same with the USA asked again about the postage quoted on a Magneto >cover for a SR2. > >Got told they'd do a deal, but then saw the price on the cover jump about >$20 USD. > >Some funny people out there. > >Is this eBay's doing or just the sellers? > >So if you can keep an eye on SR2 parts for me I'd appreciate it. > >Andy > >Queensland > >Australia. > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA 1 John 2:23 Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home Hobby Collector and Dealer in John Deere and Hercules Engines. Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com Where Is John Galt --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From b2 at chooka.net Wed Jan 6 12:36:28 2016 From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 14:36:28 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Postage Rates eBay In-Reply-To: <20160106194105.B0F462AED54@smtp.wcoil.com> References: <001a01d1478d$64fc1d20$2ef45760$@bigpond.com> <20160106194105.B0F462AED54@smtp.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <000001d148c1$f3167bc0$d9437340$@chooka.net> Mark has articulated the issues of International selling with eBay very well. Oh, if there were only a good alternative to selling, but there isn't...the power of a near monopoly. And eBay ain't the same company that Meg Whitman built originally. Would be nice to return to those days, but time moves on... I would add that I used to ship international quite a bit, but about 2010 or so when USPS overhauled their rates, the international rates went through the roof. I suspect there was just less political fallout from raising international rates than raising domestic rates. International sales pretty much dried up for me after that. I've wondered if that has contributed to our balance of trade problems, but I don't know how millions of small transactions weigh against what the big players do...maybe we don't matter much. B? Bill Brueck Pine Island, MN, USA -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mark Shulaw Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 1:43 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Postage Rates eBay Another thing people have to know and understand is that if you ask a seller a question through the Ebay communication system it is not a secure email. You know what a I mean the Ask a Seller a Question thing? Ebay can read those. They are allowed to read them especially if they suspect a deal is being managed outside of the ebay purchase system that does not allow them to collect a commission, Fee Avoidance. So If you want to get the best price on the part and shipping you have to get the question and answer outside of the Ebay system. I will reply to requests with a simple reply like frappi AT wcoil DOT com and hope that the receiver understands and reformats it to the proper frappi at wcoil.com then email's me directly so that we can be secure in out communications. If you initiating the email would do the same with your email it can speed things up. If ebay catches you trying to deal outside of the sales system they will suspend you and some times close your account. Phone numbers can also be sent using the format of 4one9-3 five 8 5 two 0 six Otherwise they will filter out the email address and phone numbers. Also if you buy or sell on ebay when you do this you can get your trading partners email out of the deal information and contact them directly for further dealing. At 02:47 AM 1/5/2016, you wrote: >Hello, Question for you all, I've only just noticed the eBay postage >rate on some items, > >Are out of this world. This is from the USA and England. > >I've been looking for a Rota Button for a SR2 magneto, I found one but >they wanted $40 AUD for postage. > >I asked them if this was correct, and got told " take it or leave it" >it's up to you? > >It's the same with the USA asked again about the postage quoted on a >Magneto cover for a SR2. > >Got told they'd do a deal, but then saw the price on the cover jump >about >$20 USD. > >Some funny people out there. > >Is this eBay's doing or just the sellers? > >So if you can keep an eye on SR2 parts for me I'd appreciate it. > >Andy > >Queensland > >Australia. > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA 1 John 2:23 Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home Hobby Collector and Dealer in John Deere and Hercules Engines. Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com Where Is John Galt --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From al.harris at rustic-engines.com Wed Jan 6 13:28:38 2016 From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 08:28:38 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Postage Rates eBay In-Reply-To: <000001d148c1$f3167bc0$d9437340$@chooka.net> References: <001a01d1478d$64fc1d20$2ef45760$@bigpond.com> <20160106194105.B0F462AED54@smtp.wcoil.com> <000001d148c1$f3167bc0$d9437340$@chooka.net> Message-ID: <568D8706.7060406@rustic-engines.com> The BIG players are the greedy money players Bill. I don't blame institutions, I blame the "humans" controlling them. They are destroying our world, they just can't see it, or they don't care. It is often driven by share-holder/investor pressure. Yep, large numbers of little people can also have a devastating effect on pricing. I can't wait for some forward thinking seller to set up a parts distribution center of old engine parts in Hong Kong. Postage from there to Australia is awesomely cheap (or free). I would be one of many in Oz that have turned away from sourcing parts from the US, not because of unit price, because of exorbitant postage. Sometimes the postage is a lot higher than the whole project, let alone the part cost. j Al Harris Summer Clarence Coast Oz On 07-Jan-16 07:36, Bill Brueck wrote: > Mark has articulated the issues of International selling with eBay very > well. Oh, if there were only a good alternative to selling, but there > isn't...the power of a near monopoly. > > And eBay ain't the same company that Meg Whitman built originally. Would be > nice to return to those days, but time moves on... > > I would add that I used to ship international quite a bit, but about 2010 or > so when USPS overhauled their rates, the international rates went through > the roof. I suspect there was just less political fallout from raising > international rates than raising domestic rates. International sales pretty > much dried up for me after that. I've wondered if that has contributed to > our balance of trade problems, but I don't know how millions of small > transactions weigh against what the big players do...maybe we don't matter > much. > > B? > Bill Brueck > Pine Island, MN, USA > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mark Shulaw > Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 1:43 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Postage Rates eBay > > Another thing people have to know and understand is that if you ask a seller > a question through the Ebay communication system it is not a secure email. > You know what a I mean the Ask a Seller a Question thing? Ebay can read > those. They are allowed to read them especially if they suspect a deal is > being managed outside of the ebay purchase system that does not allow them > to collect a commission, Fee Avoidance. So If you want to get the best price > on the part and shipping you have to get the question and answer outside of > the Ebay > system. I will reply to requests with a simple reply like frappi > AT wcoil DOT com and hope that the receiver understands and > reformats it to the proper frappi at wcoil.com then email's me directly so > that we can be secure in out communications. If you initiating the email > would do the same with your email it can speed things up. If ebay catches > you trying to deal outside of the sales system they will suspend you and > some times close your account. Phone numbers can > also be sent using the format of 4one9-3 five 8 5 two 0 > six Otherwise they will filter out the email address and phone numbers. > Also if you buy or sell on ebay when you do this you can get your trading > partners email out of the deal information and contact them directly for > further dealing. > > > > > At 02:47 AM 1/5/2016, you wrote: >> Hello, Question for you all, I've only just noticed the eBay postage >> rate on some items, >> >> Are out of this world. This is from the USA and England. >> >> I've been looking for a Rota Button for a SR2 magneto, I found one but >> they wanted $40 AUD for postage. >> >> I asked them if this was correct, and got told " take it or leave it" >> it's up to you? >> >> It's the same with the USA asked again about the postage quoted on a >> Magneto cover for a SR2. >> >> Got told they'd do a deal, but then saw the price on the cover jump >> about >> $20 USD. >> >> Some funny people out there. >> >> Is this eBay's doing or just the sellers? >> >> So if you can keep an eye on SR2 parts for me I'd appreciate it. >> >> Andy >> >> Queensland >> >> Australia. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > Mark Shulaw > 454 County Road 33 > Bluffton, OH. 45817 > USA > bleverse.com/search_bible_verses/chapter/%3Feid%3Demail-dbvDV2ht1DV%26book_i > d%3D62%26chapter%3D2>1 > John 2:23 > > Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home > Hobby Collector and Dealer in John Deere and Hercules Engines. > Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. > VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com Where Is John Galt > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From steve_mechanic at hotmail.com Wed Jan 6 14:56:53 2016 From: steve_mechanic at hotmail.com (steve_mechanic at hotmail.com) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 22:56:53 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Postage Rates eBay In-Reply-To: <568D8706.7060406@rustic-engines.com> References: <001a01d1478d$64fc1d20$2ef45760$@bigpond.com> <20160106194105.B0F462AED54@smtp.wcoil.com> <000001d148c1$f3167bc0$d9437340$@chooka.net> <568D8706.7060406@rustic-engines.com> Message-ID: Gdday all, I've just bought a gasket set for the old 318 dodge. . US $.99 postage to australia $32 Still the cheapest option as no one stocks it here for less than $175 - 200 The world is going totally mad.. go figure! Cheers Steve Adelaide South Australia Sent from Outlook Mobile On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 1:46 PM -0800, "Al Harris" wrote: The BIG players are the greedy money players Bill. I don't blame institutions, I blame the "humans" controlling them. They are destroying our world, they just can't see it, or they don't care. It is often driven by share-holder/investor pressure. Yep, large numbers of little people can also have a devastating effect on pricing. I can't wait for some forward thinking seller to set up a parts distribution center of old engine parts in Hong Kong. Postage from there to Australia is awesomely cheap (or free). I would be one of many in Oz that have turned away from sourcing parts from the US, not because of unit price, because of exorbitant postage. Sometimes the postage is a lot higher than the whole project, let alone the part cost. j Al Harris Summer Clarence Coast Oz On 07-Jan-16 07:36, Bill Brueck wrote: > Mark has articulated the issues of International selling with eBay very > well. Oh, if there were only a good alternative to selling, but there > isn't...the power of a near monopoly. > > And eBay ain't the same company that Meg Whitman built originally. Would be > nice to return to those days, but time moves on... > > I would add that I used to ship international quite a bit, but about 2010 or > so when USPS overhauled their rates, the international rates went through > the roof. I suspect there was just less political fallout from raising > international rates than raising domestic rates. International sales pretty > much dried up for me after that. I've wondered if that has contributed to > our balance of trade problems, but I don't know how millions of small > transactions weigh against what the big players do...maybe we don't matter > much. > > B? > Bill Brueck > Pine Island, MN, USA > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mark Shulaw > Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 1:43 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Postage Rates eBay > > Another thing people have to know and understand is that if you ask a seller > a question through the Ebay communication system it is not a secure email. > You know what a I mean the Ask a Seller a Question thing? Ebay can read > those. They are allowed to read them especially if they suspect a deal is > being managed outside of the ebay purchase system that does not allow them > to collect a commission, Fee Avoidance. So If you want to get the best price > on the part and shipping you have to get the question and answer outside of > the Ebay > system. I will reply to requests with a simple reply like frappi > AT wcoil DOT com and hope that the receiver understands and > reformats it to the proper frappi at wcoil.com then email's me directly so > that we can be secure in out communications. If you initiating the email > would do the same with your email it can speed things up. If ebay catches > you trying to deal outside of the sales system they will suspend you and > some times close your account. Phone numbers can > also be sent using the format of 4one9-3 five 8 5 two 0 > six Otherwise they will filter out the email address and phone numbers. > Also if you buy or sell on ebay when you do this you can get your trading > partners email out of the deal information and contact them directly for > further dealing. > > > > > At 02:47 AM 1/5/2016, you wrote: >> Hello, Question for you all, I've only just noticed the eBay postage >> rate on some items, >> >> Are out of this world. This is from the USA and England. >> >> I've been looking for a Rota Button for a SR2 magneto, I found one but >> they wanted $40 AUD for postage. >> >> I asked them if this was correct, and got told " take it or leave it" >> it's up to you? >> >> It's the same with the USA asked again about the postage quoted on a >> Magneto cover for a SR2. >> >> Got told they'd do a deal, but then saw the price on the cover jump >> about >> $20 USD. >> >> Some funny people out there. >> >> Is this eBay's doing or just the sellers? >> >> So if you can keep an eye on SR2 parts for me I'd appreciate it. >> >> Andy >> >> Queensland >> >> Australia. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > Mark Shulaw > 454 County Road 33 > Bluffton, OH. 45817 > USA > bleverse.com/search_bible_verses/chapter/%3Feid%3Demail-dbvDV2ht1DV%26book_i > d%3D62%26chapter%3D2>1 > John 2:23 > > Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home > Hobby Collector and Dealer in John Deere and Hercules Engines. > Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. > VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com Where Is John Galt > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From plowe at exemail.com.au Wed Jan 6 21:49:42 2016 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 16:49:42 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Postage Rates eBay In-Reply-To: <20160106194105.B0F462AED54@smtp.wcoil.com> References: <001a01d1478d$64fc1d20$2ef45760$@bigpond.com> <20160106194105.B0F462AED54@smtp.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <175352AE46C0497CA577929B1F0AF536@PeterPC> Hi Mark I communicate with all my sellers firstly through eBay, I have also created a picture of my email address which I send them. I then ask them to contact me privately via that image address being careful how I say it. Never been pinged in over 10 years of doing it that way. Previously I have had a couple of 24 hour suspensions ;-) for not playing the game, must be the rebel in me. If the seller is using Pitney Bowes, that is where the trouble starts, some times they re-box and their international insurance is not worth the paper it is written on. I think for you guys in the USA, when you formulate your advert or forces you to Priority International, but if you look carefully you DO NOT have to take that option, you can select First Class. The only draw back it that there is a weight limit of around 3lb ?? If an item is dearer here than the USA, the Oz seller has already added on the crazy postage price. You have to communicate with your sellers and explain the reasons why you want First Class, some say get stuffed others will work with you. I ask them to waive tracking and insurance, never lost an item yet. Have fun everyone, it is no longer anywhere near a level playing field. Peter Another thing people have to know and understand is that if you ask a seller a question through the Ebay communication system it is not a secure email. You know what a I mean the Ask a Seller a Question thing? Ebay can read those. They are allowed to read them especially if they suspect a deal is being managed outside of the ebay purchase system that does not allow them to collect a commission, Fee Avoidance. So If you want to get the best price on the part and shipping you have to get the question and answer outside of the Ebay system. I will reply to requests with a simple reply like frappi AT wcoil DOT com and hope that the receiver understands and reformats it to the proper frappi at wcoil.com then email's me directly so that we can be secure in out communications. If you initiating the email would do the same with your email it can speed things up. If ebay catches you trying to deal outside of the sales system they will suspend you and some times close your account. Phone numbers can also be sent using the format of 4one9-3 five 8 5 two 0 six Otherwise they will filter out the email address and phone numbers. Also if you buy or sell on ebay when you do this you can get your trading partners email out of the deal information and contact them directly for further dealing. At 02:47 AM 1/5/2016, you wrote: >Hello, Question for you all, I've only just noticed the eBay postage rate >on >some items, > >Are out of this world. This is from the USA and England. > >I've been looking for a Rota Button for a SR2 magneto, I found one but they >wanted $40 AUD for postage. > >I asked them if this was correct, and got told " take it or leave it" it's >up to you? > >It's the same with the USA asked again about the postage quoted on a >Magneto >cover for a SR2. > >Got told they'd do a deal, but then saw the price on the cover jump about >$20 USD. > >Some funny people out there. > >Is this eBay's doing or just the sellers? > >So if you can keep an eye on SR2 parts for me I'd appreciate it. > >Andy > >Queensland > >Australia. > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA 1 John 2:23 Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home Hobby Collector and Dealer in John Deere and Hercules Engines. Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com Where Is John Galt --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2016.0.7227 / Virus Database: 4489/11342 - Release Date: 01/07/16 From frappi at wcoil.com Thu Jan 7 10:55:55 2016 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2016 13:55:55 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Postage Rates eBay In-Reply-To: <175352AE46C0497CA577929B1F0AF536@PeterPC> References: <001a01d1478d$64fc1d20$2ef45760$@bigpond.com> <20160106194105.B0F462AED54@smtp.wcoil.com> <175352AE46C0497CA577929B1F0AF536@PeterPC> Message-ID: <20160107185405.4314C2AED11@smtp.wcoil.com> Many sellers do know they can opt for the First Class or Flat Rate Priority Mail but its the insurance stipulations forced on us by Ebay and Pay Pal that brings one to pause. We can not insure that First Class package or Flat Rate Priority Mail package thus making it untrackable I do not mind sending a $10.. item untrackable, uninsured but when it comes to a hand full of magneto parts that totals up to $300. it brings one to think twice. Since US Postal started putting tracking on all items except the economy First Class envelopes in the US I have not had a loss in mail except for just the packages that have no tracking, imagine that. LOL. Only first class packages sent economy without tracking are coming up missing according to the receivers. Out of approximately 700 packages sent last year only two went astray and they were the economy First Class US packages. Fortunately I have had no problems with the UK and AU buyers. All great so far.!! Mark At 12:49 AM 1/7/2016, you wrote: >Hi Mark >I communicate with all my sellers firstly through eBay, I have also created >a picture of my email address which I send them. I then ask them to contact >me privately via that image address being careful how I say it. Never been >pinged in over 10 years of doing it that way. >Previously I have had a couple of 24 hour suspensions ;-) for not playing >the game, must be the rebel in me. >If the seller is using Pitney Bowes, that is where the trouble starts, some >times they re-box and their international insurance is not worth the paper >it is written on. >I think for you guys in the USA, when you formulate your advert or forces >you to Priority International, but if you look carefully you DO NOT have to >take that option, you can select First Class. The only draw back it that >there is a weight limit of around 3lb ?? >If an item is dearer here than the USA, the Oz seller has already added on >the crazy postage price. >You have to communicate with your sellers and explain the reasons why you >want First Class, some say get stuffed others will work with you. >I ask them to waive tracking and insurance, never lost an item yet. >Have fun everyone, it is no longer anywhere near a level playing field. >Peter > > > >Another thing people have to know and understand is that if you ask a >seller a question through the Ebay communication system it is not a >secure email. You know what a I mean the Ask a Seller a Question >thing? Ebay can read those. They are allowed to read them especially >if they suspect a deal is being managed outside of the ebay purchase >system that does not allow them to collect a commission, Fee >Avoidance. So If you want to get the best price on the part and >shipping you have to get the question and answer outside of the Ebay >system. I will reply to requests with a simple reply like frappi >AT wcoil DOT com and hope that the receiver understands and >reformats it to the proper frappi at wcoil.com then email's me directly >so that we can be secure in out communications. If you initiating the >email would do the same with your email it can speed things up. If >ebay catches you trying to deal outside of the sales system they will >suspend you and some times close your account. Phone numbers can >also be sent using the format of 4one9-3 five 8 5 two 0 >six Otherwise they will filter out the email address and phone numbers. > Also if you buy or sell on ebay when you do this you can get your >trading partners email out of the deal information and contact them >directly for further dealing. > > > > >At 02:47 AM 1/5/2016, you wrote: > >Hello, Question for you all, I've only just noticed the eBay postage rate > >on > >some items, > > > >Are out of this world. This is from the USA and England. > > > >I've been looking for a Rota Button for a SR2 magneto, I found one but they > >wanted $40 AUD for postage. > > > >I asked them if this was correct, and got told " take it or leave it" it's > >up to you? > > > >It's the same with the USA asked again about the postage quoted on a > >Magneto > >cover for a SR2. > > > >Got told they'd do a deal, but then saw the price on the cover jump about > >$20 USD. > > > >Some funny people out there. > > > >Is this eBay's doing or just the sellers? > > > >So if you can keep an eye on SR2 parts for me I'd appreciate it. > > > >Andy > > > >Queensland > > > >Australia. > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >Mark Shulaw >454 County Road 33 >Bluffton, OH. 45817 >USA >1 >John 2:23 > >Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home >Hobby Collector and Dealer in John Deere >and Hercules Engines. >Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. >VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com >Where Is John Galt > > >--- >This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >https://www.avast.com/antivirus > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >----- >No virus found in this message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 2016.0.7227 / Virus Database: 4489/11342 - Release Date: 01/07/16 > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA 1 John 2:23 Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home Hobby Collector and Dealer in John Deere and Hercules Engines. Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com Where Is John Galt --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From frappi at wcoil.com Thu Jan 7 12:22:50 2016 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2016 15:22:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Spam> Re: Postage Rates eBay In-Reply-To: <20160106194105.B0F462AED54@smtp.wcoil.com> References: <001a01d1478d$64fc1d20$2ef45760$@bigpond.com> <20160106194105.B0F462AED54@smtp.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <20160107202059.B5F062AEAE9@smtp.wcoil.com> PS: US Postal Service rates are increasing again Jan 17 2016 Ebay calculators are already taking this into consideration. A 1 pound 8 ounce Priority Mail package that priced out the other day to Australia for $45.00 is now pricing out at $49 and change. Mark Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA 1 John 2:23 Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home Hobby Collector and Dealer in John Deere and Hercules Engines. Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com Where Is John Galt --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From rknapp at socket.net Thu Jan 7 15:13:34 2016 From: rknapp at socket.net (Richard Knapp) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 17:13:34 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Postage Rates eBay In-Reply-To: <20160107185405.4314C2AED11@smtp.wcoil.com> References: <001a01d1478d$64fc1d20$2ef45760$@bigpond.com> <20160106194105.B0F462AED54@smtp.wcoil.com> <175352AE46C0497CA577929B1F0AF536@PeterPC> <20160107185405.4314C2AED11@smtp.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <568EF11E.5050402@socket.net> Items sent first class, from the US at least, are trackable and are insured for $50.00 US. This seems to be something new. Richard On 1/7/2016 12:55 PM, Mark Shulaw wrote: > Many sellers do know they can opt for the First Class or Flat Rate > Priority Mail but its the insurance stipulations forced on us by Ebay > and Pay Pal that brings one to pause. We can not insure that First > Class package or Flat Rate Priority Mail package thus making it > untrackable I do not mind sending a $10.. item > untrackable, uninsured but when it comes to a hand full of magneto > parts that totals up to $300. it brings one to think twice. Since > US Postal started putting tracking on all items except the economy > First Class envelopes in the US I have not had a loss in mail except > for just the packages that have no tracking, imagine that. LOL. Only > first class packages sent economy without tracking are coming up > missing according to the receivers. Out of approximately 700 packages > sent last year only two went astray and they were the economy First > Class US packages. Fortunately I have had no problems with the UK and > AU buyers. All great so far.!! Mark > > At 12:49 AM 1/7/2016, you wrote: >> Hi Mark >> I communicate with all my sellers firstly through eBay, I have also created >> a picture of my email address which I send them. I then ask them to contact >> me privately via that image address being careful how I say it. Never been >> pinged in over 10 years of doing it that way. >> Previously I have had a couple of 24 hour suspensions ;-) for not playing >> the game, must be the rebel in me. >> If the seller is using Pitney Bowes, that is where the trouble starts, some >> times they re-box and their international insurance is not worth the paper >> it is written on. >> I think for you guys in the USA, when you formulate your advert or forces >> you to Priority International, but if you look carefully you DO NOT have to >> take that option, you can select First Class. The only draw back it that >> there is a weight limit of around 3lb ?? >> If an item is dearer here than the USA, the Oz seller has already added on >> the crazy postage price. >> You have to communicate with your sellers and explain the reasons why you >> want First Class, some say get stuffed others will work with you. >> I ask them to waive tracking and insurance, never lost an item yet. >> Have fun everyone, it is no longer anywhere near a level playing field. >> Peter >> >> >> >> Another thing people have to know and understand is that if you ask a >> seller a question through the Ebay communication system it is not a >> secure email. You know what a I mean the Ask a Seller a Question >> thing? Ebay can read those. They are allowed to read them especially >> if they suspect a deal is being managed outside of the ebay purchase >> system that does not allow them to collect a commission, Fee >> Avoidance. So If you want to get the best price on the part and >> shipping you have to get the question and answer outside of the Ebay >> system. I will reply to requests with a simple reply like frappi >> AT wcoil DOT com and hope that the receiver understands and >> reformats it to the proper frappi at wcoil.com then email's me directly >> so that we can be secure in out communications. If you initiating the >> email would do the same with your email it can speed things up. If >> ebay catches you trying to deal outside of the sales system they will >> suspend you and some times close your account. Phone numbers can >> also be sent using the format of 4one9-3 five 8 5 two 0 >> six Otherwise they will filter out the email address and phone numbers. >> Also if you buy or sell on ebay when you do this you can get your >> trading partners email out of the deal information and contact them >> directly for further dealing. >> >> >> >> >> At 02:47 AM 1/5/2016, you wrote: >>> Hello, Question for you all, I've only just noticed the eBay postage rate >>> on >>> some items, >>> >>> Are out of this world. This is from the USA and England. >>> >>> I've been looking for a Rota Button for a SR2 magneto, I found one but they >>> wanted $40 AUD for postage. >>> >>> I asked them if this was correct, and got told " take it or leave it" it's >>> up to you? >>> >>> It's the same with the USA asked again about the postage quoted on a >>> Magneto >>> cover for a SR2. >>> >>> Got told they'd do a deal, but then saw the price on the cover jump about >>> $20 USD. >>> >>> Some funny people out there. >>> >>> Is this eBay's doing or just the sellers? >>> >>> So if you can keep an eye on SR2 parts for me I'd appreciate it. >>> >>> Andy >>> >>> Queensland >>> >>> Australia. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> Mark Shulaw >> 454 County Road 33 >> Bluffton, OH. 45817 >> USA >> 1 >> John 2:23 >> >> Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home >> Hobby Collector and Dealer in John Deere >> and Hercules Engines. >> Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. >> VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com >> Where Is John Galt >> >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 2016.0.7227 / Virus Database: 4489/11342 - Release Date: 01/07/16 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > Mark Shulaw > 454 County Road 33 > Bluffton, OH. 45817 > USA > 1 > John 2:23 > > Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home > Hobby Collector and Dealer in John Deere > and Hercules Engines. > Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. > VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com > Where Is John Galt > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- *Richard Knapp rknapp at socket.net http://www.centralmissourigrainsforfood.com It is probable that improbable things will happen. Archimedes * --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From frappi at wcoil.com Thu Jan 7 19:59:00 2016 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2016 22:59:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Postage Rates eBay In-Reply-To: <568EF11E.5050402@socket.net> References: <001a01d1478d$64fc1d20$2ef45760$@bigpond.com> <20160106194105.B0F462AED54@smtp.wcoil.com> <175352AE46C0497CA577929B1F0AF536@PeterPC> <20160107185405.4314C2AED11@smtp.wcoil.com> <568EF11E.5050402@socket.net> Message-ID: <20160108035710.6C26C2AEAD4@smtp.wcoil.com> The only extra services I can buy for First Class International to say Australia is Certificate of Mailing and Delivery Confirmation. Maybe you can track it with Delivery Confirmation but that service is an additional $13.95 At 06:13 PM 1/7/2016, you wrote: >Items sent first class, from the US at least, are trackable and are >insured for $50.00 US. This seems to be something new. > >Richard > >On 1/7/2016 12:55 PM, Mark Shulaw wrote: > > Many sellers do know they can opt for the First Class or Flat Rate > > Priority Mail but its the insurance stipulations forced on us by Ebay > > and Pay Pal that brings one to pause. We can not insure that First > > Class package or Flat Rate Priority Mail package thus making it > > untrackable I do not mind sending a $10.. item > > untrackable, uninsured but when it comes to a hand full of magneto > > parts that totals up to $300. it brings one to think twice. Since > > US Postal started putting tracking on all items except the economy > > First Class envelopes in the US I have not had a loss in mail except > > for just the packages that have no tracking, imagine that. LOL. Only > > first class packages sent economy without tracking are coming up > > missing according to the receivers. Out of approximately 700 packages > > sent last year only two went astray and they were the economy First > > Class US packages. Fortunately I have had no problems with the UK and > > AU buyers. All great so far.!! Mark > > > > At 12:49 AM 1/7/2016, you wrote: > >> Hi Mark > >> I communicate with all my sellers firstly through eBay, I have > also created > >> a picture of my email address which I send them. I then ask them > to contact > >> me privately via that image address being careful how I say it. Never been > >> pinged in over 10 years of doing it that way. > >> Previously I have had a couple of 24 hour suspensions ;-) for not playing > >> the game, must be the rebel in me. > >> If the seller is using Pitney Bowes, that is where the trouble > starts, some > >> times they re-box and their international insurance is not worth the paper > >> it is written on. > >> I think for you guys in the USA, when you formulate your advert or forces > >> you to Priority International, but if you look carefully you DO > NOT have to > >> take that option, you can select First Class. The only draw back it that > >> there is a weight limit of around 3lb ?? > >> If an item is dearer here than the USA, the Oz seller has already added on > >> the crazy postage price. > >> You have to communicate with your sellers and explain the reasons why you > >> want First Class, some say get stuffed others will work with you. > >> I ask them to waive tracking and insurance, never lost an item yet. > >> Have fun everyone, it is no longer anywhere near a level playing field. > >> Peter > >> > >> > >> > >> Another thing people have to know and understand is that if you ask a > >> seller a question through the Ebay communication system it is not a > >> secure email. You know what a I mean the Ask a Seller a Question > >> thing? Ebay can read those. They are allowed to read them especially > >> if they suspect a deal is being managed outside of the ebay purchase > >> system that does not allow them to collect a commission, Fee > >> Avoidance. So If you want to get the best price on the part and > >> shipping you have to get the question and answer outside of the Ebay > >> system. I will reply to requests with a simple reply like frappi > >> AT wcoil DOT com and hope that the receiver understands and > >> reformats it to the proper frappi at wcoil.com then email's me directly > >> so that we can be secure in out communications. If you initiating the > >> email would do the same with your email it can speed things up. If > >> ebay catches you trying to deal outside of the sales system they will > >> suspend you and some times close your account. Phone numbers can > >> also be sent using the format of 4one9-3 five 8 5 two 0 > >> six Otherwise they will filter out the email address and phone numbers. > >> Also if you buy or sell on ebay when you do this you can get your > >> trading partners email out of the deal information and contact them > >> directly for further dealing. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> At 02:47 AM 1/5/2016, you wrote: > >>> Hello, Question for you all, I've only just noticed the eBay postage rate > >>> on > >>> some items, > >>> > >>> Are out of this world. This is from the USA and England. > >>> > >>> I've been looking for a Rota Button for a SR2 magneto, I found > one but they > >>> wanted $40 AUD for postage. > >>> > >>> I asked them if this was correct, and got told " take it or > leave it" it's > >>> up to you? > >>> > >>> It's the same with the USA asked again about the postage quoted on a > >>> Magneto > >>> cover for a SR2. > >>> > >>> Got told they'd do a deal, but then saw the price on the cover jump about > >>> $20 USD. > >>> > >>> Some funny people out there. > >>> > >>> Is this eBay's doing or just the sellers? > >>> > >>> So if you can keep an eye on SR2 parts for me I'd appreciate it. > >>> > >>> Andy > >>> > >>> Queensland > >>> > >>> Australia. > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> SEL mailing list > >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > >> Mark Shulaw > >> 454 County Road 33 > >> Bluffton, OH. 45817 > >> USA > >> > 1 > >> John 2:23 > >> > >> Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home > >> Hobby Collector and Dealer in John Deere > >> and Hercules Engines. > >> Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. > >> VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com > >> Where Is John Galt > >> > >> > >> --- > >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > >> > >> ----- > >> No virus found in this message. > >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > >> Version: 2016.0.7227 / Virus Database: 4489/11342 - Release Date: 01/07/16 > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > Mark Shulaw > > 454 County Road 33 > > Bluffton, OH. 45817 > > USA > > > 1 > > John 2:23 > > > > Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home > > Hobby Collector and Dealer in John Deere > > and Hercules Engines. > > Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. > > VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com > > Where Is John Galt > > > > > > --- > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > >-- >*Richard Knapp >rknapp at socket.net >http://www.centralmissourigrainsforfood.com > >It is probable that improbable things will happen. > >Archimedes * > > >--- >This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >https://www.avast.com/antivirus >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA 1 John 2:23 Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home Hobby Collector and Dealer in John Deere and Hercules Engines. Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com Where Is John Galt --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From cgandree at mchsi.com Sat Jan 16 04:59:04 2016 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2016 07:59:04 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Fwd: A 150-Year-Old Steamboat (Ifound the pic and artifacts interesting) In-Reply-To: <81542d.4c0b1094.43c3b69c@aol.com> References: <81542d.4c0b1094.43c3b69c@aol.com> Message-ID: <1785263509.16725236.1452949144231.JavaMail.zimbra@mchsi.com> Thought this might be an interesting story to share with the group. Thank you, Curt Andree ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Cgandree at aol.com To: cgandree at mchsi.com Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2016 7:29:00 AM Subject: Fwd: Fw: A 150-Year-Old Steamboat (Ifound the pic and artifacts interesting) ____________________________________ What They Found Inside The Sunken Remains Of A 150-Year-Old Steamboat Is Still Edible. When they dug up this old sunken steamboat, they couldn't believe what they found. (http://www.wimp.com/cargo-perfectly-preserved-in-hundred-fifty-year-old-sunken-steamboat/?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=story ) What They Found Inside The Sunken Remains Of A 150-Year-Old Steamboat Is Still Edible In 1856, the Steamboat Arabia left the banks of Kansas City on a routine supply trip up the Missouri River. Onboard were two hundred tons of precious cargo en route to 16 different towns along the frontier. Steamboats were common in those days, as they were the best method of traveling up and down America's river systems. These boats were a big business at the time and were absolutely essential for trade and commerce. Unfortunately for the Steamboat Arabia, a fallen walnut tree was waiting just below the surface of the water, hidden from sight thanks to the glare on the water from the setting sun. The impact instantly tore the hull and the boat sank in minutes. Thankfully, everyone on board was able to swim to safety, except for one poor mule who was tied to the deck and forgotten in the chaos. The soft river bottom quickly engulfed the boat in mud and silt and in just a few days, it was swept away entirely due to the force of the river. Over time, the river shifted course and for the next 132 years, the Arabia was lost to the world until it was discovered in the 1980s, 45 feet deep underneath a Kansas farm. Legend of the sunken ship had been passed on through the generations in the area and inspired local Bob Hawley to find it in 1987. He and his sons used old maps and sophisticated equipment to eventually find the boat half a mile away from the present-day river. The farmers who owned the land agreed to let them dig it up - as long as they were done in time for the spring planting season. All manner of heavy equipment was brought in, including a 100-ton crane. 20,000 gallons of water had to be removed into 65-foot-deep wells. After two weeks of excavation, the first parts of the boat appeared - the remains of the left paddlewheel and this small black rubber shoe that was lying on the deck. They also recovered fine china, fully preserved along with its yellow packing straw. It had all been preserved perfectly thanks to the airtight mud. ? For ? On November 26, 1988, the full boat was uncovered along with its 200 tons of buried treasure. With no air to cause spoilage, thousands of items were recovered completely intact. Jars of preserved foods were still totally edible. One brave excavator even tested it out by eating a pickle from one of the jars and found it to still be fresh. Today, the artifacts are all housed in a museum in Kansas City called the Steamboat Arabia Museum. One of their displays is the fully preserved skeleton of that poor mule. These jars of preserved fruits are just some of the relics recovered from the Arabia. Thinking of all those unmade pies kinda makes me sad ... Though most of the hats recovered from the Steamboat Arabia were wool felt, this hat is one of a rare few that were made of beaver fur, which is naturally water resistant. All manner of clothing was found. Much of it could still be worn today. The ship also had over 4,000 shoes, all packed up and ready for delivery. Some shoes were even lined with buffalo hair for extra warmth. A keg of ale from 1856. These bottles of French perfume were still fragrant when they were recovered. Ever wondered what the 1800s smelled like? Just a few of the 29 different patterns of calico buttons found on the Arabia. Calico fabric was a type of cotton printed with small, repeating patterns named after its point of origin, Calcutta (now Kolkata), India. The fabric was quite popular in England and the Western world and the Steamboat Arabia had several calico dresses that sadly did not survive that much time underwater. The dresses did have porcelain buttons printed in the same patterns as the dresses, however, which shows us what kinds of designs people were wearing back in those times. A variety of (mostly unidentified) vintage medicines. A sampling of some of the other relics recovered from the steamboat. Would you try this 150-year-old pickle? ? For those that can, study the bottle seals. For those in insurance, study the packing of the unbroken teapots!? ____________________________________ (https://www.avast.com/antivirus) This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. _www.avast.com_ (https://www.avast.com/antivirus) (https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient) This email has been sent from a virus-free computer protected by Avast. _www.avast.com_ (https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient) From bboyce at swat.coop Sat Jan 16 13:38:48 2016 From: bboyce at swat.coop (bill boyce) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2016 15:38:48 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Fwd: A 150-Year-Old Steamboat (Ifound the pic and artifacts interesting) In-Reply-To: <1785263509.16725236.1452949144231.JavaMail.zimbra@mchsi.com> References: <81542d.4c0b1094.43c3b69c@aol.com> <1785263509.16725236.1452949144231.JavaMail.zimbra@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <00124EC59892460DADA0062CC82DAA62@billPC> I've been to the museum 3 times and still find it amazing. the guys that found the boat and created the museum are great to visit with,, really a nice group. I like to describe what was found on board the boat as a 19th century WalMart. it is well worth a trip to KC to visit it. bill boyce arkansas ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "SEL Lists" Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2016 6:59 AM Subject: [SEL] Fwd: A 150-Year-Old Steamboat (Ifound the pic and artifacts interesting) > Thought this might be an interesting story to share with the group. > Thank you, > Curt Andree > From jbcast at charter.net Sat Jan 16 19:38:08 2016 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2016 20:38:08 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Fwd: A 150-Year-Old Steamboat (Ifound the pic and artifacts interesting) Message-ID: <6re61s00H1W9fHA01re68Y@charter.net> There was a similar undertaking north of here near Fort Adams, Mississippi. I met Jerry Moore while riding passengers in my boat at the Madisonville Wooden Boat Festival. He told me he was digging up a steam boat that had sunk in 1837. We were invited to go to the site, a privilege as it was gated and closely guarded. The dig had been going on for about 5 years, only when the river was low enough to allow it. Because of the river changes the boat was now under a field 1 1/2 miles from the river. The dig was a bowl about 700' wide, 150' deep. There were 30 diesel pumps pumping an estimated 1.000,000 gallons of water a day out of the hole. Sheet pilings were driven around the overturned boat to allow them to dig the last 20' around it. Even with the pumps running only about two feet of the hull was above the water line. I got to stand on the hull, the oak planks were as if they were cut recently. They cut a hole in the hull, the planks were 3 X 12 oak, ribs were 6x6 about 4 inches apart. A week later Jerry sent me a picture of the inside of the hull, a strut to support the rudder had a square nut, the threads were still in good shape. He was under a lot of pressure from his investors, divorced his wife, didn't see much of his children, died on a bulldozer about a month later. I believe the project was abandoned. The following submitted by site benefactor Jerry Canavit [1] I don't know how much could be left of the BEN SHERROD [2] to excavate. The fire must have consumed quite a bit - and the following explosions must have distributed boat and cargo over a pretty wide area. If you learn anything more about this project, let me know. BEN SHERROD accident recap from Jerry: On May 8, 1837, while racing the steamer PRAIRIE [3], the BEN SHERROD [4] caught fire about 14 miles above Ft. Adams, MS. The deck and engine room crew were snockered on whiskey and the boilers became overheated and set fire to about 60 cords of resin-dripping wood. The forward section quickly became an inferno. The fire burned through the wheel ropes as the SHERROD [5] continued upstream with no method of steering her to the bank. Hordes of people took to the water to escape the flames - people fought for floating objects - women and children were thrown aside by scoundrels trying to save their own skin. Ironically, the PRAIRIE [6] didn't bother to stop and assist - she continued on to Natchez only to report that the SHERROD [7] was on fire. The steamer ALTON [8], while racing to aid the stricken steamer, blundered through the water and succeeded in running down many of the survivors in the water. The fire continued to spread, next setting off (like a cannon) the barrel of whiskey that inebriated crew had been enjoying. Next, the boilers went off in a devastating roar. The final death-blow came when 40 barrels of gun powder exploded in a report that was heard for miles. The SHERROD [9] accident was one of the finest examples of humanity at it worse - panic, greed and self-preservation. 72 people were reported to have died. ----------------------------------------- Links: ------ [1] mailto:JCanavit at aol.com [2] http://www.riverboatdaves.com/riverboats/b-1-6.html#BSHAR [3] http://www.riverboatdaves.com/riverboats/p-2.html#PRAIR [4] http://www.riverboatdaves.com/riverboats/b-1-6.html#BSHAR [5] http://www.riverboatdaves.com/riverboats/b-1-6.html#BSHAR [6] http://www.riverboatdaves.com/riverboats/p-2.html#PRAIR [7] http://www.riverboatdaves.com/riverboats/b-1-6.html#BSHAR [8] http://www.riverboatdaves.com/riverboats/a.html#ALTON [9] http://www.riverboatdaves.com/riverboats/b-1-6.html#BSHAR From fero_ah at verizon.net Sun Jan 17 12:26:49 2016 From: fero_ah at verizon.net (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2016 14:26:49 -0600 (CST) Subject: [SEL] Fwd: A 150-Year-Old Steamboat (Ifound the pic and artifacts interesting) Message-ID: <1787474375.405157.1453062409703.JavaMail.root@vznit170074.mailsrvcs.net> Curt, There's an interesting Pittsburgh connection to the Arabia. Check it out. [1]http://triblive.com/lifestyles/history/5932694-74/arabia-steamboat-s ays#axzz3xXCtTIKS [2]http://www.heinzhistorycenter.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Press-R elease-4-26-14-Steamboat-Arabia-exhibit.pdf [3]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oc8-tDAYQMc See ya, Arnie Jan 16, 2016 08:20:44 AM, sel at lists.stationary-engine.com wrote: Thought this might be an interesting story to share with the group. Thank you, Curt Andree References 1. http://triblive.com/lifestyles/history/5932694-74/arabia-steamboat-says#axzz3xXCtTIKS 2. http://www.heinzhistorycenter.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Press-Release-4-26-14-Steamboat-Arabia-exhibit.pdf 3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oc8-tDAYQMc