From arnie1cax at woosh.co.nz Sun Nov 1 00:43:40 2015 From: arnie1cax at woosh.co.nz (Arnold Laird) Date: Sun, 01 Nov 2015 20:43:40 +1300 Subject: [SEL] Change of address Message-ID: <1f9b17abf6e0a1ae17b5c795c734ed8a21087878@webmail.woosh.co.nz> Please change my email address to ? ? ? ? ? ?arnielaird600 at gmail.com ? ? ? ?I really do enjoy receiving news from the sel group. ?Thanks and regards ? ? ?Arnold Laird? ? ? ? New Zealand From rotigel at me.com Thu Nov 5 17:22:57 2015 From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2015 20:22:57 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Too Much Rain??? Message-ID: <67FE4D3B-4A28-44DC-8E5F-51034ABDCB1C@me.com> I know very little about farming, but would really like to know if this is really a problem for farmers in the midwest. See: http://biggeekdad.com/2015/11/marshmallow-farming/ Thanks in advance for any thoughts on this water problem! Dave From blcksmth at wcnet.org Thu Nov 5 17:42:49 2015 From: blcksmth at wcnet.org (Bob) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 20:42:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Too Much Rain??? In-Reply-To: <67FE4D3B-4A28-44DC-8E5F-51034ABDCB1C@me.com> References: <67FE4D3B-4A28-44DC-8E5F-51034ABDCB1C@me.com> Message-ID: <563C0599.8040604@wcnet.org> My wife tells me that marshmallows are whipped corn syrup. She has the recipe to make them. I did not think they were a natural product. Bob Willman The Eagle's Anvil Bowling Green, Ohio WB8NQW Laws that forbid the Carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes...such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; They serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man. Thomas Jefferson On 11/5/2015 8:22 PM, Dave Rotigel wrote: > I know very little about farming, but would really like to know if this is really a problem for farmers in the midwest. See: http://biggeekdad.com/2015/11/marshmallow-farming/ > Thanks in advance for any thoughts on this water problem! > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Nov 5 18:05:05 2015 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 13:05:05 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Too Much Rain??? In-Reply-To: <67FE4D3B-4A28-44DC-8E5F-51034ABDCB1C@me.com> References: <67FE4D3B-4A28-44DC-8E5F-51034ABDCB1C@me.com> Message-ID: JEEEZZ!!! Sigh, sob!!! -----Original Message----- From: Dave Rotigel Sent: Friday, November 6, 2015 12:22 PM To: Antique tractor email discussion group ; The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Too Much Rain??? I know very little about farming, but would really like to know if this is really a problem for farmers in the midwest. See: http://biggeekdad.com/2015/11/marshmallow-farming/ Thanks in advance for any thoughts on this water problem! Dave _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From mr at carolina.rr.com Thu Nov 5 19:00:09 2015 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 22:00:09 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Too Much Rain??? In-Reply-To: <67FE4D3B-4A28-44DC-8E5F-51034ABDCB1C@me.com> References: <67FE4D3B-4A28-44DC-8E5F-51034ABDCB1C@me.com> Message-ID: Yes Dave, here in NC we have had so much rain they are too soggy to sell. It's really bad. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Dave Rotigel Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 8:22 PM To: Antique tractor email discussion group ; The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Too Much Rain??? I know very little about farming, but would really like to know if this is really a problem for farmers in the midwest. See: http://biggeekdad.com/2015/11/marshmallow-farming/ Thanks in advance for any thoughts on this water problem! Dave _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From curt at rustyiron.com Thu Nov 5 19:04:52 2015 From: curt at rustyiron.com (Curt) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 19:04:52 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Too Much Rain??? In-Reply-To: <563C0599.8040604@wcnet.org> References: <67FE4D3B-4A28-44DC-8E5F-51034ABDCB1C@me.com> <563C0599.8040604@wcnet.org> Message-ID: Bob, you be surprised at all the good learnin' possible if you'd spend some time in the south. Them marshmallow trees are jest as natural as grits trees. And if you picks them grits on the reel hot days in July, you don'st hardly have to cook em at all. Reel convenient on them rushed mawnins. Curt in Bessemer City, NC On Thu, November 5, 2015 5:42 pm, Bob wrote: > My wife tells me that marshmallows are whipped corn syrup. > She has the recipe to make them. I did not think they were a natural > product. > > Bob Willman > The Eagle's Anvil > Bowling Green, Ohio > WB8NQW > > > Laws that forbid the Carrying of arms...disarm only those who > are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes...such laws make > things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; They serve > rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be > attacked with greater confidence than an armed man. > > Thomas Jefferson > > > On 11/5/2015 8:22 PM, Dave Rotigel wrote: > >> I know very little about farming, but would really like to know if this >> is really a problem for farmers in the midwest. See: >> http://biggeekdad.com/2015/11/marshmallow-farming/ >> Thanks in advance for any thoughts on this water problem! >> Dave >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From bvandragt at comcast.net Thu Nov 5 19:21:13 2015 From: bvandragt at comcast.net (Brian VanDragt) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 22:21:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Too Much Rain??? In-Reply-To: <67FE4D3B-4A28-44DC-8E5F-51034ABDCB1C@me.com> References: <67FE4D3B-4A28-44DC-8E5F-51034ABDCB1C@me.com> Message-ID: <004f01d11842$30e88cf0$92b9a6d0$@comcast.net> The good news is that video doesn't look like it was from this year. Brian -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Rotigel Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 8:23 PM To: Antique tractor email discussion group; The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Too Much Rain??? I know very little about farming, but would really like to know if this is really a problem for farmers in the midwest. See: http://biggeekdad.com/2015/11/marshmallow-farming/ Thanks in advance for any thoughts on this water problem! Dave _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From frappi at wcoil.com Thu Nov 5 19:36:23 2015 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2015 22:36:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Too Much Rain??? In-Reply-To: <67FE4D3B-4A28-44DC-8E5F-51034ABDCB1C@me.com> References: <67FE4D3B-4A28-44DC-8E5F-51034ABDCB1C@me.com> Message-ID: <20151106033524.475A92AEBF7@smtp.wcoil.com> Here in NW Ohio the Marshmallow crop for the most part was excellent. This spring was looking bad with all the rain at sugar blossom time. But it cleared up at just the right time. Crop was stunted a little but the mild fall and sparse rains made for a suitable crop for the farmers. My three little bootleg trees give me just what I needed to put up enough for winter. Oh and very little sign of mallow beetle this year. And since mine are organic I was happy about that. Mark We had c At 08:22 PM 11/5/2015, you wrote: >I know very little about farming, but would really like to know if >this is really a problem for farmers in the midwest. See: >http://biggeekdad.com/2015/11/marshmallow-farming/ >Thanks in advance for any thoughts on this water problem! > Dave > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark Shulaw Bluffton, OH. 45817-9601 USA 419.358.5206 VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com 1 John 2:23 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From fero_ah at verizon.net Fri Nov 6 07:21:00 2015 From: fero_ah at verizon.net (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2015 09:21:00 -0600 (CST) Subject: [SEL] Too Much Rain??? Message-ID: <1595454082.559918.1446823260356.JavaMail.root@vznit170070.mailsrvcs.net> Dave, I believe that may be a problem for farmers raising the little marshmallows. However, for the farmers raising the large, industrial size marshmallows (intended for processing for retail sale), the crops have been large and unaffected. [1]http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/x/hay-bales-plastic-wrap-21586491.jpg Arnie Nov 5, 2015 08:32:12 PM, sel at lists.stationary-engine.com wrote: I know very little about farming, but would really like to know if this is really a problem for farmers in the midwest. See: http://biggeekdad.com/2015/11/marshmallow-farming/ Thanks in advance for any thoughts on this water problem! Dave _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel References 1. http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/x/hay-bales-plastic-wrap-21586491.jpg From asouth42 at embarqmail.com Tue Nov 10 06:19:24 2015 From: asouth42 at embarqmail.com (asouth42 at embarqmail.com) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 09:19:24 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. USMC Birthday Message-ID: <2F0C72396183495D87C5C5B932B5C67C@ArthurHP1> A great big HAPPY 240TH BIRTHDAY to the UNITED STATES MARINE CORPS. May we enjoy their protection for many years to come! God bless America and God bless the U.S. Marine Corps From enginepaul at gmail.com Tue Nov 10 07:55:59 2015 From: enginepaul at gmail.com (STRAIGHT from SanFran) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 07:55:59 -0800 Subject: [SEL] O.T. USMC Birthday In-Reply-To: <2F0C72396183495D87C5C5B932B5C67C@ArthurHP1> References: <2F0C72396183495D87C5C5B932B5C67C@ArthurHP1> Message-ID: Semper Fi On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 6:19 AM, wrote: > A great big HAPPY 240TH BIRTHDAY to the UNITED STATES MARINE CORPS. May we > enjoy their protection for many years to come! God bless America and God > bless the U.S. Marine Corps > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From zerousair at yahoo.com Tue Nov 10 18:51:08 2015 From: zerousair at yahoo.com (Randall Fulton) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 02:51:08 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 140, Issue 3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <108414954.2403234.1447210268205.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> I'm a lurker here. ?But thanks from myself and the rest of my old 'Nam Jarhead buddies. ?It is appreciated. Garrett Fulton From: "sel-request at lists.stationary-engine.com" To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 12:00 PM Subject: SEL Digest, Vol 140, Issue 3 Send SEL mailing list submissions to ??? sel at lists.stationary-engine.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? sel-request at lists.stationary-engine.com You can reach the person managing the list at ??? sel-owner at lists.stationary-engine.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of SEL digest..." Today's Topics: ? 1. O.T. USMC Birthday (asouth42 at embarqmail.com) ? 2. Re: O.T. USMC Birthday (STRAIGHT from SanFran) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 09:19:24 -0500 From: Subject: [SEL] O.T. USMC Birthday To: "ATIS-SEL" , ??? ,??? "oldengine.org" ??? ,??? "Antique John Deere mailing list" ??? , ??? "Antique Tractor List" ??? ,??? "Slick" Message-ID: <2F0C72396183495D87C5C5B932B5C67C at ArthurHP1> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; ??? reply-type=original A great big HAPPY 240TH BIRTHDAY to the UNITED STATES MARINE CORPS. May we enjoy their protection for many years to come! God bless America and God bless the U.S. Marine Corps ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 07:55:59 -0800 From: STRAIGHT from SanFran Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. USMC Birthday To: The SEL email discussion list Message-ID: ??? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Semper Fi On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 6:19 AM, wrote: > A great big HAPPY 240TH BIRTHDAY to the UNITED STATES MARINE CORPS. May we > enjoy their protection for many years to come! God bless America and God > bless the U.S. Marine Corps > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel End of SEL Digest, Vol 140, Issue 3 *********************************** From yostsw at atis.net Thu Nov 12 19:06:06 2015 From: yostsw at atis.net (ATIS) Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2015 22:06:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Quick question Message-ID: Just a quick question: I have a completely legal farm: Properly zoned, above the minimum size, and part of an agricultural district. I am constantly getting sued by the mac-mansion neighbors around me. They always lose and in fact the last time the judge dismissed "with prejudice". I assumed that would keep anyone from suing but it doesn't. It just means I win but I still have to spend money to defend it. In fact, I was served yet again with a lawsuit early this week. In short: There does not seem to be a disincentive built into the system to prevent suits - even if I keep winning. My legal team - who keeps winning so I am biased towards listening - says filing a suit against the neighbors for frivolous lawsuits would probably fail. They say the court requires "malice and callous disregard for the merits" for that to stick and it's a high bar to prove. The fact they won't take that on contingency sort of proves to me they believe what they say. A second opinion I sought supported their position. Anyone else who is farming on this list that is running up against this? Just curious. The legal bills are becoming onerous and everyone I talk to locally has not seen this. Spencer Yost From rknapp at socket.net Thu Nov 12 20:10:11 2015 From: rknapp at socket.net (Richard Knapp) Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2015 22:10:11 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Quick question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <564562A3.2050902@socket.net> Are you in a right to farm state? What is your operation like? Is it a CAFO? Richard On 11/12/2015 9:06 PM, ATIS wrote: > Just a quick question: I have a completely legal farm: Properly zoned, above the minimum size, and part of an agricultural district. I am constantly getting sued by the mac-mansion neighbors around me. They always lose and in fact the last time the judge dismissed "with prejudice". I assumed that would keep anyone from suing but it doesn't. It just means I win but I still have to spend money to defend it. In fact, I was served yet again with a lawsuit early this week. > > In short: There does not seem to be a disincentive built into the system to prevent suits - even if I keep winning. My legal team - who keeps winning so I am biased towards listening - says filing a suit against the neighbors for frivolous lawsuits would probably fail. They say the court requires "malice and callous disregard for the merits" for that to stick and it's a high bar to prove. The fact they won't take that on contingency sort of proves to me they believe what they say. A second opinion I sought supported their position. > > Anyone else who is farming on this list that is running up against this? Just curious. The legal bills are becoming onerous and everyone I talk to locally has not seen this. > > Spencer Yost > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- *Richard Knapp rknapp at socket.net http://www.centralmissourigrainsforfood.com It is probable that improbable things will happen. Archimedes * --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From frappi at wcoil.com Fri Nov 13 05:39:49 2015 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 08:39:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Quick question In-Reply-To: <564562A3.2050902@socket.net> References: <564562A3.2050902@socket.net> Message-ID: <20151113133845.80A452AEF29@smtp.wcoil.com> I have seen this kinda shit before from spoiled asses And thats what ALL people are who move in next to such already existing operations (and then start complaining). like a farm or junk yard or other business that may have some type of odor, noise or whatever issue that is a natural and understood by-product of that activity. They buy that land because its cheap due to these activities and then they wreck everyone around them with their childishness. Personally I think that there should be a "common sense understanding" "ordinances if necessary" where if you buy and or build next or near to an existing facility like any of these there is no right to address prior existing conditions. Have you asked your lawyer about the possibility of suing for harassment using frivolous law suits as the form of harassment? This kinda s#it is all part of a spoilt sh!t mentality brought on by the oh woe is me childish bully mentality. And if you buy in and build in a agriculture zoned area expect that a livestock operation may move in next door at Any Time as that is what that area is zoned for. Anyone want to argue against that show you arss and speak up so we know who you are. Mark S. At 11:10 PM 11/12/2015, you wrote: >Are you in a right to farm state? What is your operation like? Is it a >CAFO? > >Richard > >On 11/12/2015 9:06 PM, ATIS wrote: > > Just a quick question: I have a completely legal > farm: Properly zoned, above the minimum size, and part of an > agricultural district. I am constantly getting sued by the > mac-mansion neighbors around me. They always lose and in fact the > last time the judge dismissed "with prejudice". I assumed that > would keep anyone from suing but it doesn't. It just means I win > but I still have to spend money to defend it. In fact, I was > served yet again with a lawsuit early this week. > > > > In short: There does not seem to be a disincentive built into > the system to prevent suits - even if I keep winning. My legal > team - who keeps winning so I am biased towards listening - says > filing a suit against the neighbors for frivolous lawsuits would > probably fail. They say the court requires "malice and callous > disregard for the merits" for that to stick and it's a high bar to > prove. The fact they won't take that on contingency sort of proves > to me they believe what they say. A second opinion I sought > supported their position. > > > > Anyone else who is farming on this list that is running up > against this? Just curious. The legal bills are becoming > onerous and everyone I talk to locally has not seen this. > > > > Spencer Yost > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > >-- >*Richard Knapp >rknapp at socket.net >http://www.centralmissourigrainsforfood.com > >It is probable that improbable things will happen. > >Archimedes * > > >--- >This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >https://www.avast.com/antivirus >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA 1 John 2:23 Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home Hobby Collector and Dealer in John Deere and Hercules Engines. Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com Where Is John Galt --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From twschmutz1 at gmail.com Fri Nov 13 06:10:54 2015 From: twschmutz1 at gmail.com (Tom Schmutz) Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 09:10:54 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Quick question In-Reply-To: <20151113133845.80A452AEF29@smtp.wcoil.com> References: <564562A3.2050902@socket.net> <20151113133845.80A452AEF29@smtp.wcoil.com> Message-ID: Seen this same thing in my rural area. Farm sold, subdivision built next to a working dairy farm. Many complaints. One had law come to see some spilled cow manure on the road being transported for spreading on fields. Officer said farmer had as much right on the road as anybody else and they moved to the country and to get used to it! Good common sense!! The other contributing factor is the lawyers who present these frivolous law suits rather than telling the client to go home and enjoy the rural life. Can't the person being sued countersue for expenses incurred in defense. Go see JUDGE JUDY! Here in Virginia, the "fence law" allows a farmer to install new fences along house property lines and make the house owner pay for one half cost even though the house owner does not farm. Perhaps this is the law in your state and maybe considered in this case. Tom Schmutz On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 8:39 AM, Mark Shulaw wrote: > I have seen this kinda shit before from spoiled asses And thats what > ALL people are who move in next to such already existing operations > (and then start complaining). like a farm or junk yard or other > business that may have some type of odor, noise or whatever issue > that is a natural and understood by-product of that activity. They > buy that land because its cheap due to these activities and then they > wreck everyone around them with their childishness. Personally I > think that there should be a "common sense understanding" "ordinances > if necessary" where if you buy and or build next or near to an > existing facility like any of these there is no right to address > prior existing conditions. Have you asked your lawyer about the > possibility of suing for harassment using frivolous law suits as the > form of harassment? This kinda s#it is all part of a spoilt sh!t > mentality brought on by the oh woe is me childish bully mentality. > And if you buy in and build in a agriculture zoned area expect that > a livestock operation may move in next door at Any Time as that is > what that area is zoned for. > Anyone want to argue against that show you arss and speak up so we > know who you are. Mark S. > > > At 11:10 PM 11/12/2015, you wrote: > > >Are you in a right to farm state? What is your operation like? Is it a > >CAFO? > > > >Richard > > > >On 11/12/2015 9:06 PM, ATIS wrote: > > > Just a quick question: I have a completely legal > > farm: Properly zoned, above the minimum size, and part of an > > agricultural district. I am constantly getting sued by the > > mac-mansion neighbors around me. They always lose and in fact the > > last time the judge dismissed "with prejudice". I assumed that > > would keep anyone from suing but it doesn't. It just means I win > > but I still have to spend money to defend it. In fact, I was > > served yet again with a lawsuit early this week. > > > > > > In short: There does not seem to be a disincentive built into > > the system to prevent suits - even if I keep winning. My legal > > team - who keeps winning so I am biased towards listening - says > > filing a suit against the neighbors for frivolous lawsuits would > > probably fail. They say the court requires "malice and callous > > disregard for the merits" for that to stick and it's a high bar to > > prove. The fact they won't take that on contingency sort of proves > > to me they believe what they say. A second opinion I sought > > supported their position. > > > > > > Anyone else who is farming on this list that is running up > > against this? Just curious. The legal bills are becoming > > onerous and everyone I talk to locally has not seen this. > > > > > > Spencer Yost > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > > >-- > >*Richard Knapp > >rknapp at socket.net > >http://www.centralmissourigrainsforfood.com > > > >It is probable that improbable things will happen. > > > >Archimedes * > > > > > >--- > >This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > >https://www.avast.com/antivirus > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > Mark Shulaw > 454 County Road 33 > Bluffton, OH. 45817 > USA > < > http://pixels.spark.net/c.html?id=85&uid=dbvDV2ht1DV&url=http://www.dailybibleverse.com/search_bible_verses/chapter/%3Feid%3Demail-dbvDV2ht1DV%26book_id%3D62%26chapter%3D2 > >1 > John 2:23 > > Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home > Hobby Collector and Dealer in John Deere > and Hercules Engines. > Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. > VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com > Where Is John Galt > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From yostsw at atis.net Fri Nov 13 07:51:56 2015 From: yostsw at atis.net (ATIS) Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 10:51:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fwd: [AT] Quick question References: <37D8D4DE-A93A-431F-A02A-756D9410D474@atis.net> Message-ID: <9E98B2EF-E003-4FE2-B0BD-F23A30A7F1F3@atis.net> Forgot to copy SEL in the reply as well. Sorry Spencer Yost Begin forwarded message: > From: ATIS > Date: November 13, 2015 at 7:31:27 AM EST > To: Antique tractor email discussion group > Subject: Re: [AT] Quick question > > Thanks for all the replies! I have answered them below. Sorry it is so long. > > First: The courts do not grant legal fees unless there is suit specifically for it or the behavior from the plaintiffs and their legal counsel is egregious that you can file a motion to sanction. We have filed one of those this go round because they re-filed a complaint that has already been dismissed. We'll see where that heads. > > Second: Yes - winning is not the point. See below on what I really think is happening > > Third - Yes - This is a right to farm state but that only means you are more likely to win, it does not protect you from the very expensive process of defending those suits. Plus my neighbors are careful to sue on periphery issues. See below. > > Fourth - Funny thing about the pigs - I mentioned it to my local Ag agent and Fed farm agent as a joke and he said - sure you could. So I have actually been cleared for a feeder pig operation - up to 250 animals. I was hoping that fact would slow them down but it didn?t. > > Fifth - What am I being sued for? What haven?t I! They are generally pretty careful to use complaints and issues that are not directly attacking the farming operation itself. I presume they do this to maximize the amount of time my lawyer would have to spend on them. The complaints are all centered around loss of value (farming district so not my problem), improper surveys(there are none), improper subdivision and platting of the land(latest to be dismissed), using industrial style fencing instead of agricultural( which I don't obviously), just whatever BS they can come up with that might require subjective judgment from the courts and would require money to defend. That sort of thing. > > The neighboring large landowner who owns many tracts around the county and used to farm passed a few years ago. His adult children(my age) have been developing them. I believe; as does my lawyer, these adult children have established an evil alliance with the two McMansion neighbors suing. The ultimate goal is developing the neighboring tract to further boost and solidify values for the new development and the MacMansion neighbors. > > They did tangle with the wrong guy though. They'll get my farm from my cold dead fingers. > > Thanks again for listening! > > Spencer Yost > >> On Nov 13, 2015, at 6:42 AM, Joe Hazewinkel wrote: >> >> Spencer, >> >> I assume you are not in a "right to farm" state? Here in Michigan you cannot sue a farm operation unless it's something especially bad, like a poorly constructed manure pit flooding your basement. >> >> If it's the same landowner over and over again, can you counter sue for harassment? I would think your legal team should be able to collect their fees from the people bringing the suit if/when they loose. If they have to pay your costs each time, they might stop doing it. >> >> Enjoy, Joe >> >> Sent via mobile device >> >> On Nov 12, 2015, at 10:06 PM, ATIS wrote: >> >> Just a quick question: I have a completely legal farm: Properly zoned, above the minimum size, and part of an agricultural district. I am constantly getting sued by the mac-mansion neighbors around me. They always lose and in fact the last time the judge dismissed "with prejudice". I assumed that would keep anyone from suing but it doesn't. It just means I win but I still have to spend money to defend it. In fact, I was served yet again with a lawsuit early this week. >> >> In short: There does not seem to be a disincentive built into the system to prevent suits - even if I keep winning. My legal team - who keeps winning so I am biased towards listening - says filing a suit against the neighbors for frivolous lawsuits would probably fail. They say the court requires "malice and callous disregard for the merits" for that to stick and it's a high bar to prove. The fact they won't take that on contingency sort of proves to me they believe what they say. A second opinion I sought supported their position. >> >> Anyone else who is farming on this list that is running up against this? Just curious. The legal bills are becoming onerous and everyone I talk to locally has not seen this. >> >> Spencer Yost >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at From yostsw at atis.net Fri Nov 13 08:31:51 2015 From: yostsw at atis.net (ATIS) Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 11:31:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] [AT] Quick question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <027FAB7D-C2C3-4393-B695-00059402DB9C@atis.net> Let me continue to answer in no particular order. Hey Dave. The latest is a repeat - the others weren't. Dismissal is easy in this latest because of that but convincing a judge to disallow any depositions or any other expensive legal work until the motion to dismiss is heard can be tough. That is what I learned in the first one. To Charlie. Private citizens are involved, not governmental entities. In fact the governmental entities have been very helpful and supportive. Not sure my state rep will be of much help Also: I am in the Voluntary agricultural district. What I have learned is that is meaningless in terms of protecting you from suits. It just makes it more likely you will win. You are still going to spend all kinds of money. While I have the big guns blazing I am also working more subtle approaches. One way I am fighting back is by having created a crowdfunding campaign at fundedjustice.com. (Please follow it and/or share it on your favorite social media: https://www.fundedjustice.com/en/projects/25952-Defending-Locally-Grown). The money part you see there is so they will doubt their ability to bankrupt me. But really it is not about the money raised, it's about applying peer pressure and communicating the solidarity and support we have in the local community specifically. They know many of the folks that have supported, followed and even donated to the campaign. I hope they realize I am not alone. Thanks again for listening ! Spencer Yost From fero_ah at verizon.net Fri Nov 13 09:04:10 2015 From: fero_ah at verizon.net (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 11:04:10 -0600 (CST) Subject: [SEL] Quick question Message-ID: <1268869685.679780.1447434250941.JavaMail.root@vznit170074.mailsrvcs.net> Spencer, Man I feel your pain. This use of the court system to abuse and harass totally sucks. Locally, we get that sort of abusive rubbish lawsuits from neighbors who have moved in or built near our gun range. Claims of noise pollution, safety, etc. The gun range has been there for decades before these crybabies came on the scene. Large corporations have used the same tactic against locals protesting some aspect of their operation. Sue the little guy (the protester) to get him to shut up and go away or bankrupt him with the same effect. Tort reform is the solution, wherein the loser in a lawsuit pays the legal fees of the winner. It would virtually eliminate the sort of bullshit lawsuits that are being filed against you. Talk to your state and national legislators and see what is currently happening with regard to tort reform. GOOD LUCK! And when you get that pig operation up and running, I hope the MacMansions are downwind. Might also be nice to spread the pig manure on the fields adjacent to the MacMansion properties. Gotta keep those fields fertile. See ya, Arnie Nov 12, 2015 10:10:03 PM, sel at lists.stationary-engine.com wrote: Just a quick question: I have a completely legal farm: Properly zoned, above the minimum size, and part of an agricultural district. I am constantly getting sued by the mac-mansion neighbors around me. They always lose and in fact the last time the judge dismissed "with prejudice". I assumed that would keep anyone from suing but it doesn't. It just means I win but I still have to spend money to defend it. In fact, I was served yet again with a lawsuit early this week. In short: There does not seem to be a disincentive built into the system to prevent suits - even if I keep winning. My legal team - who keeps winning so I am biased towards listening - says filing a suit against the neighbors for frivolous lawsuits would probably fail. They say the court requires "malice and callous disregard for the merits" for that to stick and it's a high bar to prove. The fact they won't take that on contingency sort of proves to me they believe what they say. A second opinion I sought supported their position. Anyone else who is farming on this list that is running up against this? Just curious. The legal bills are becoming onerous and everyone I talk to locally has not seen this. Spencer Yost _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From yostsw at atis.net Fri Nov 13 09:39:35 2015 From: yostsw at atis.net (ATIS) Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 12:39:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Quick question In-Reply-To: <1268869685.679780.1447434250941.JavaMail.root@vznit170074.mailsrvcs.net> References: <1268869685.679780.1447434250941.JavaMail.root@vznit170074.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <71A616D5-B8DA-4A96-B723-163D67862ABC@atis.net> Thanks Arnie. Your point is well taken on tort reform. It has become abundantly clear to me that the system is designed to provide very few obstacles to full employment of lawyers. Spencer Yost > On Nov 13, 2015, at 12:04 PM, Arnie Fero wrote: > > Spencer, > > > > Man I feel your pain. This use of the court system to abuse and > harass totally sucks. Locally, we get that > > sort of abusive rubbish lawsuits from neighbors who have moved in or > built near our gun range. Claims of > > noise pollution, safety, etc. The gun range has been there for decades > before these crybabies came on > > the scene. > > > > Large corporations have used the same tactic against locals protesting > some aspect of their operation. > > Sue the little guy (the protester) to get him to shut up and go away or > bankrupt him with the same effect. > > > > Tort reform is the solution, wherein the loser in a lawsuit pays the > legal fees of the winner. It would virtually > > eliminate the sort of bullshit lawsuits that are being filed against > you. > > > > Talk to your state and national legislators and see what is currently > happening with regard to tort reform. > > > > GOOD LUCK! And when you get that pig operation up and running, I hope > the MacMansions are > > downwind. Might also be nice to spread the pig manure on the fields > adjacent to the > > MacMansion properties. Gotta keep those fields fertile. > > > > See ya, Arnie > Nov 12, 2015 10:10:03 PM, sel at lists.stationary-engine.com wrote: > > Just a quick question: I have a completely legal farm: Properly > zoned, above the minimum size, and part of an agricultural district. > I am constantly getting sued by the mac-mansion neighbors around me. > They always lose and in fact the last time the judge dismissed "with > prejudice". I assumed that would keep anyone from suing but it > doesn't. It just means I win but I still have to spend money to > defend it. In fact, I was served yet again with a lawsuit early this > week. > In short: There does not seem to be a disincentive built into the > system to prevent suits - even if I keep winning. My legal team - > who keeps winning so I am biased towards listening - says filing a > suit against the neighbors for frivolous lawsuits would probably > fail. They say the court requires "malice and callous disregard for > the merits" for that to stick and it's a high bar to prove. The fact > they won't take that on contingency sort of proves to me they > believe what they say. A second opinion I sought supported their > position. > Anyone else who is farming on this list that is running up against > this? Just curious. The legal bills are becoming onerous and > everyone I talk to locally has not seen this. > Spencer Yost > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From frank at lbpinc.com Fri Nov 13 10:02:34 2015 From: frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt) Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 13:02:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fwd: [AT] Quick question In-Reply-To: <9E98B2EF-E003-4FE2-B0BD-F23A30A7F1F3@atis.net> References: <37D8D4DE-A93A-431F-A02A-756D9410D474@atis.net> <9E98B2EF-E003-4FE2-B0BD-F23A30A7F1F3@atis.net> Message-ID: <564625BA.1030609@lbpinc.com> I would find something they don't like and leak the information that you have decided to add X of what they don't like every time there is a threat of a lawsuit as you found out this won't slow them down until you have actually done it once. Add 50 pigs, Build another barn, buy and park another antique tractor by the road, host a farm days for the local 4H, what ever works, I have learned that when working with children they will always test a threat so you need to be willing to go through with it. BTW A guy named Mike Adams is often invited by conservative college students to speak at there on campus events. He gets protests. No problem with that, but if they go over the top, try to shout him down, make the papers, He will tell the make and model of the gun he bought with the speakers fee. Guns are a liberal repellent so that seems to keep things under control. Frank On 11/13/2015 10:51 AM, ATIS wrote: > Forgot to copy SEL in the reply as well. Sorry > > Spencer Yost > > Begin forwarded message: > -- -------------- HONOR GOD SERVE PEOPLE DEVELOP EXCELLENCE GROW PROFITABLE FOLLOWING BIBLICAL PRINCIPLES Frank DeWitt | mailto:frank at lbpinc.com Mechanical Design | Phone: 585 624 3052 LBP INC. | 2365 Cox Rd. | Bloomfield NY 14469 |Web http://www.lbpinc.com/ From spiveylk at gru.net Sat Nov 14 11:42:09 2015 From: spiveylk at gru.net (Lesley K Spivey) Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 14:42:09 -0500 Subject: [SEL] =?utf-8?q?Spam=3E_Quick_Question?= Message-ID: <56478E91.3070707@gru.net> You could explore the 'collusion' or co-operation between parties to commit an action, usually criminal. You could say it was to promote harassment of you for their own financial benefit. A lawyer should know the proper term for it. The feds have used it to get judgements against organized crime figures. Then ask for recompense for your loses. Don't know if it will do any good, but worth looking at. From enginepaul at gmail.com Sun Nov 15 09:36:22 2015 From: enginepaul at gmail.com (STRAIGHT from SanFran) Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2015 09:36:22 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Quick question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mr. Yost; I don't have actual farm experience but I do have legal harassment experience. I do recall a farmer friend here in California getting letters threatening legal action for doing his regular farm processes. One complaint was by a lady that he was spraying after the legal hour allowed. Her proof was that his tractor crossed the road five minutes after the limiting hour. She called whatever government department in charge of that and repeatedly complained. So here we have the government, using the farmer's tax dollars, spending time to annoy him. That was just one farmer with one neighbor and this goes on all the time. They move to your area, then complain about what has been happening for generations. I was involved in years of expensive litigation that I "won" in the end. The people suing me were judgement proof an I never collected on my judgments. When I was paying and complaining about my final legal bill the lawyer said "But you won." I won the opportunity to keep what I already owned. It was like paying for something twice. The problem is the entire legal system and there is no solution. The lawyers are in the legislature and they make the rules. As long as people sue, the legals make money; and if the drag out the process, they make more money. Paul in litigious California On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 7:06 PM, ATIS wrote: > Just a quick question: I have a completely legal farm: Properly > zoned, above the minimum size, and part of an agricultural district. I > am constantly getting sued by the mac-mansion neighbors around me. They > always lose and in fact the last time the judge dismissed "with > prejudice". I assumed that would keep anyone from suing but it doesn't. > It just means I win but I still have to spend money to defend it. In > fact, I was served yet again with a lawsuit early this week. > > In short: There does not seem to be a disincentive built into the system > to prevent suits - even if I keep winning. My legal team - who keeps > winning so I am biased towards listening - says filing a suit against the > neighbors for frivolous lawsuits would probably fail. They say the court > requires "malice and callous disregard for the merits" for that to stick > and it's a high bar to prove. The fact they won't take that on contingency > sort of proves to me they believe what they say. A second opinion I sought > supported their position. > > Anyone else who is farming on this list that is running up against this? > Just curious. The legal bills are becoming onerous and everyone I talk > to locally has not seen this. > > Spencer Yost > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Nov 19 23:11:53 2015 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg) Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2015 18:11:53 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Fw: [announce] FOE Message-ID: Makes a lot of sense to me!!! Sadly, my thoughts have no impact. -----Original Message----- From: Fred On Everything announcements Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 2:38 AM To: Fred List Subject: [announce] FOE For the latest Fred, click o n http://fredoneverything.org/on-campus-at-u-pe-the-university-of-practically-everywhere/ --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From arnie1cax at woosh.co.nz Sun Nov 1 00:43:40 2015 From: arnie1cax at woosh.co.nz (Arnold Laird) Date: Sun, 01 Nov 2015 20:43:40 +1300 Subject: [SEL] Change of address Message-ID: <1f9b17abf6e0a1ae17b5c795c734ed8a21087878@webmail.woosh.co.nz> Please change my email address to ? ? ? ? ? ?arnielaird600 at gmail.com ? ? ? ?I really do enjoy receiving news from the sel group. ?Thanks and regards ? ? ?Arnold Laird? ? ? ? New Zealand From rotigel at me.com Thu Nov 5 17:22:57 2015 From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2015 20:22:57 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Too Much Rain??? Message-ID: <67FE4D3B-4A28-44DC-8E5F-51034ABDCB1C@me.com> I know very little about farming, but would really like to know if this is really a problem for farmers in the midwest. See: http://biggeekdad.com/2015/11/marshmallow-farming/ Thanks in advance for any thoughts on this water problem! Dave From blcksmth at wcnet.org Thu Nov 5 17:42:49 2015 From: blcksmth at wcnet.org (Bob) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 20:42:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Too Much Rain??? In-Reply-To: <67FE4D3B-4A28-44DC-8E5F-51034ABDCB1C@me.com> References: <67FE4D3B-4A28-44DC-8E5F-51034ABDCB1C@me.com> Message-ID: <563C0599.8040604@wcnet.org> My wife tells me that marshmallows are whipped corn syrup. She has the recipe to make them. I did not think they were a natural product. Bob Willman The Eagle's Anvil Bowling Green, Ohio WB8NQW Laws that forbid the Carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes...such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; They serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man. Thomas Jefferson On 11/5/2015 8:22 PM, Dave Rotigel wrote: > I know very little about farming, but would really like to know if this is really a problem for farmers in the midwest. See: http://biggeekdad.com/2015/11/marshmallow-farming/ > Thanks in advance for any thoughts on this water problem! > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Nov 5 18:05:05 2015 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 13:05:05 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Too Much Rain??? In-Reply-To: <67FE4D3B-4A28-44DC-8E5F-51034ABDCB1C@me.com> References: <67FE4D3B-4A28-44DC-8E5F-51034ABDCB1C@me.com> Message-ID: JEEEZZ!!! Sigh, sob!!! -----Original Message----- From: Dave Rotigel Sent: Friday, November 6, 2015 12:22 PM To: Antique tractor email discussion group ; The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Too Much Rain??? I know very little about farming, but would really like to know if this is really a problem for farmers in the midwest. See: http://biggeekdad.com/2015/11/marshmallow-farming/ Thanks in advance for any thoughts on this water problem! Dave _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From mr at carolina.rr.com Thu Nov 5 19:00:09 2015 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 22:00:09 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Too Much Rain??? In-Reply-To: <67FE4D3B-4A28-44DC-8E5F-51034ABDCB1C@me.com> References: <67FE4D3B-4A28-44DC-8E5F-51034ABDCB1C@me.com> Message-ID: Yes Dave, here in NC we have had so much rain they are too soggy to sell. It's really bad. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Dave Rotigel Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 8:22 PM To: Antique tractor email discussion group ; The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Too Much Rain??? I know very little about farming, but would really like to know if this is really a problem for farmers in the midwest. See: http://biggeekdad.com/2015/11/marshmallow-farming/ Thanks in advance for any thoughts on this water problem! Dave _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From curt at rustyiron.com Thu Nov 5 19:04:52 2015 From: curt at rustyiron.com (Curt) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 19:04:52 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Too Much Rain??? In-Reply-To: <563C0599.8040604@wcnet.org> References: <67FE4D3B-4A28-44DC-8E5F-51034ABDCB1C@me.com> <563C0599.8040604@wcnet.org> Message-ID: Bob, you be surprised at all the good learnin' possible if you'd spend some time in the south. Them marshmallow trees are jest as natural as grits trees. And if you picks them grits on the reel hot days in July, you don'st hardly have to cook em at all. Reel convenient on them rushed mawnins. Curt in Bessemer City, NC On Thu, November 5, 2015 5:42 pm, Bob wrote: > My wife tells me that marshmallows are whipped corn syrup. > She has the recipe to make them. I did not think they were a natural > product. > > Bob Willman > The Eagle's Anvil > Bowling Green, Ohio > WB8NQW > > > Laws that forbid the Carrying of arms...disarm only those who > are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes...such laws make > things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; They serve > rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be > attacked with greater confidence than an armed man. > > Thomas Jefferson > > > On 11/5/2015 8:22 PM, Dave Rotigel wrote: > >> I know very little about farming, but would really like to know if this >> is really a problem for farmers in the midwest. See: >> http://biggeekdad.com/2015/11/marshmallow-farming/ >> Thanks in advance for any thoughts on this water problem! >> Dave >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From bvandragt at comcast.net Thu Nov 5 19:21:13 2015 From: bvandragt at comcast.net (Brian VanDragt) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 22:21:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Too Much Rain??? In-Reply-To: <67FE4D3B-4A28-44DC-8E5F-51034ABDCB1C@me.com> References: <67FE4D3B-4A28-44DC-8E5F-51034ABDCB1C@me.com> Message-ID: <004f01d11842$30e88cf0$92b9a6d0$@comcast.net> The good news is that video doesn't look like it was from this year. Brian -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Rotigel Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 8:23 PM To: Antique tractor email discussion group; The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Too Much Rain??? I know very little about farming, but would really like to know if this is really a problem for farmers in the midwest. See: http://biggeekdad.com/2015/11/marshmallow-farming/ Thanks in advance for any thoughts on this water problem! Dave _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From frappi at wcoil.com Thu Nov 5 19:36:23 2015 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2015 22:36:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Too Much Rain??? In-Reply-To: <67FE4D3B-4A28-44DC-8E5F-51034ABDCB1C@me.com> References: <67FE4D3B-4A28-44DC-8E5F-51034ABDCB1C@me.com> Message-ID: <20151106033524.475A92AEBF7@smtp.wcoil.com> Here in NW Ohio the Marshmallow crop for the most part was excellent. This spring was looking bad with all the rain at sugar blossom time. But it cleared up at just the right time. Crop was stunted a little but the mild fall and sparse rains made for a suitable crop for the farmers. My three little bootleg trees give me just what I needed to put up enough for winter. Oh and very little sign of mallow beetle this year. And since mine are organic I was happy about that. Mark We had c At 08:22 PM 11/5/2015, you wrote: >I know very little about farming, but would really like to know if >this is really a problem for farmers in the midwest. See: >http://biggeekdad.com/2015/11/marshmallow-farming/ >Thanks in advance for any thoughts on this water problem! > Dave > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark Shulaw Bluffton, OH. 45817-9601 USA 419.358.5206 VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com 1 John 2:23 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From fero_ah at verizon.net Fri Nov 6 07:21:00 2015 From: fero_ah at verizon.net (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2015 09:21:00 -0600 (CST) Subject: [SEL] Too Much Rain??? Message-ID: <1595454082.559918.1446823260356.JavaMail.root@vznit170070.mailsrvcs.net> Dave, I believe that may be a problem for farmers raising the little marshmallows. However, for the farmers raising the large, industrial size marshmallows (intended for processing for retail sale), the crops have been large and unaffected. [1]http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/x/hay-bales-plastic-wrap-21586491.jpg Arnie Nov 5, 2015 08:32:12 PM, sel at lists.stationary-engine.com wrote: I know very little about farming, but would really like to know if this is really a problem for farmers in the midwest. See: http://biggeekdad.com/2015/11/marshmallow-farming/ Thanks in advance for any thoughts on this water problem! Dave _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel References 1. http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/x/hay-bales-plastic-wrap-21586491.jpg From asouth42 at embarqmail.com Tue Nov 10 06:19:24 2015 From: asouth42 at embarqmail.com (asouth42 at embarqmail.com) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 09:19:24 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. USMC Birthday Message-ID: <2F0C72396183495D87C5C5B932B5C67C@ArthurHP1> A great big HAPPY 240TH BIRTHDAY to the UNITED STATES MARINE CORPS. May we enjoy their protection for many years to come! God bless America and God bless the U.S. Marine Corps From enginepaul at gmail.com Tue Nov 10 07:55:59 2015 From: enginepaul at gmail.com (STRAIGHT from SanFran) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 07:55:59 -0800 Subject: [SEL] O.T. USMC Birthday In-Reply-To: <2F0C72396183495D87C5C5B932B5C67C@ArthurHP1> References: <2F0C72396183495D87C5C5B932B5C67C@ArthurHP1> Message-ID: Semper Fi On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 6:19 AM, wrote: > A great big HAPPY 240TH BIRTHDAY to the UNITED STATES MARINE CORPS. May we > enjoy their protection for many years to come! God bless America and God > bless the U.S. Marine Corps > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From zerousair at yahoo.com Tue Nov 10 18:51:08 2015 From: zerousair at yahoo.com (Randall Fulton) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 02:51:08 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 140, Issue 3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <108414954.2403234.1447210268205.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> I'm a lurker here. ?But thanks from myself and the rest of my old 'Nam Jarhead buddies. ?It is appreciated. Garrett Fulton From: "sel-request at lists.stationary-engine.com" To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 12:00 PM Subject: SEL Digest, Vol 140, Issue 3 Send SEL mailing list submissions to ??? sel at lists.stationary-engine.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? sel-request at lists.stationary-engine.com You can reach the person managing the list at ??? sel-owner at lists.stationary-engine.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of SEL digest..." Today's Topics: ? 1. O.T. USMC Birthday (asouth42 at embarqmail.com) ? 2. Re: O.T. USMC Birthday (STRAIGHT from SanFran) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 09:19:24 -0500 From: Subject: [SEL] O.T. USMC Birthday To: "ATIS-SEL" , ??? ,??? "oldengine.org" ??? ,??? "Antique John Deere mailing list" ??? , ??? "Antique Tractor List" ??? ,??? "Slick" Message-ID: <2F0C72396183495D87C5C5B932B5C67C at ArthurHP1> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; ??? reply-type=original A great big HAPPY 240TH BIRTHDAY to the UNITED STATES MARINE CORPS. May we enjoy their protection for many years to come! God bless America and God bless the U.S. Marine Corps ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 07:55:59 -0800 From: STRAIGHT from SanFran Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. USMC Birthday To: The SEL email discussion list Message-ID: ??? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Semper Fi On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 6:19 AM, wrote: > A great big HAPPY 240TH BIRTHDAY to the UNITED STATES MARINE CORPS. May we > enjoy their protection for many years to come! God bless America and God > bless the U.S. Marine Corps > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel End of SEL Digest, Vol 140, Issue 3 *********************************** From yostsw at atis.net Thu Nov 12 19:06:06 2015 From: yostsw at atis.net (ATIS) Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2015 22:06:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Quick question Message-ID: Just a quick question: I have a completely legal farm: Properly zoned, above the minimum size, and part of an agricultural district. I am constantly getting sued by the mac-mansion neighbors around me. They always lose and in fact the last time the judge dismissed "with prejudice". I assumed that would keep anyone from suing but it doesn't. It just means I win but I still have to spend money to defend it. In fact, I was served yet again with a lawsuit early this week. In short: There does not seem to be a disincentive built into the system to prevent suits - even if I keep winning. My legal team - who keeps winning so I am biased towards listening - says filing a suit against the neighbors for frivolous lawsuits would probably fail. They say the court requires "malice and callous disregard for the merits" for that to stick and it's a high bar to prove. The fact they won't take that on contingency sort of proves to me they believe what they say. A second opinion I sought supported their position. Anyone else who is farming on this list that is running up against this? Just curious. The legal bills are becoming onerous and everyone I talk to locally has not seen this. Spencer Yost From rknapp at socket.net Thu Nov 12 20:10:11 2015 From: rknapp at socket.net (Richard Knapp) Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2015 22:10:11 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Quick question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <564562A3.2050902@socket.net> Are you in a right to farm state? What is your operation like? Is it a CAFO? Richard On 11/12/2015 9:06 PM, ATIS wrote: > Just a quick question: I have a completely legal farm: Properly zoned, above the minimum size, and part of an agricultural district. I am constantly getting sued by the mac-mansion neighbors around me. They always lose and in fact the last time the judge dismissed "with prejudice". I assumed that would keep anyone from suing but it doesn't. It just means I win but I still have to spend money to defend it. In fact, I was served yet again with a lawsuit early this week. > > In short: There does not seem to be a disincentive built into the system to prevent suits - even if I keep winning. My legal team - who keeps winning so I am biased towards listening - says filing a suit against the neighbors for frivolous lawsuits would probably fail. They say the court requires "malice and callous disregard for the merits" for that to stick and it's a high bar to prove. The fact they won't take that on contingency sort of proves to me they believe what they say. A second opinion I sought supported their position. > > Anyone else who is farming on this list that is running up against this? Just curious. The legal bills are becoming onerous and everyone I talk to locally has not seen this. > > Spencer Yost > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- *Richard Knapp rknapp at socket.net http://www.centralmissourigrainsforfood.com It is probable that improbable things will happen. Archimedes * --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From frappi at wcoil.com Fri Nov 13 05:39:49 2015 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 08:39:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Quick question In-Reply-To: <564562A3.2050902@socket.net> References: <564562A3.2050902@socket.net> Message-ID: <20151113133845.80A452AEF29@smtp.wcoil.com> I have seen this kinda shit before from spoiled asses And thats what ALL people are who move in next to such already existing operations (and then start complaining). like a farm or junk yard or other business that may have some type of odor, noise or whatever issue that is a natural and understood by-product of that activity. They buy that land because its cheap due to these activities and then they wreck everyone around them with their childishness. Personally I think that there should be a "common sense understanding" "ordinances if necessary" where if you buy and or build next or near to an existing facility like any of these there is no right to address prior existing conditions. Have you asked your lawyer about the possibility of suing for harassment using frivolous law suits as the form of harassment? This kinda s#it is all part of a spoilt sh!t mentality brought on by the oh woe is me childish bully mentality. And if you buy in and build in a agriculture zoned area expect that a livestock operation may move in next door at Any Time as that is what that area is zoned for. Anyone want to argue against that show you arss and speak up so we know who you are. Mark S. At 11:10 PM 11/12/2015, you wrote: >Are you in a right to farm state? What is your operation like? Is it a >CAFO? > >Richard > >On 11/12/2015 9:06 PM, ATIS wrote: > > Just a quick question: I have a completely legal > farm: Properly zoned, above the minimum size, and part of an > agricultural district. I am constantly getting sued by the > mac-mansion neighbors around me. They always lose and in fact the > last time the judge dismissed "with prejudice". I assumed that > would keep anyone from suing but it doesn't. It just means I win > but I still have to spend money to defend it. In fact, I was > served yet again with a lawsuit early this week. > > > > In short: There does not seem to be a disincentive built into > the system to prevent suits - even if I keep winning. My legal > team - who keeps winning so I am biased towards listening - says > filing a suit against the neighbors for frivolous lawsuits would > probably fail. They say the court requires "malice and callous > disregard for the merits" for that to stick and it's a high bar to > prove. The fact they won't take that on contingency sort of proves > to me they believe what they say. A second opinion I sought > supported their position. > > > > Anyone else who is farming on this list that is running up > against this? Just curious. The legal bills are becoming > onerous and everyone I talk to locally has not seen this. > > > > Spencer Yost > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > >-- >*Richard Knapp >rknapp at socket.net >http://www.centralmissourigrainsforfood.com > >It is probable that improbable things will happen. > >Archimedes * > > >--- >This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >https://www.avast.com/antivirus >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA 1 John 2:23 Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home Hobby Collector and Dealer in John Deere and Hercules Engines. Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com Where Is John Galt --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From twschmutz1 at gmail.com Fri Nov 13 06:10:54 2015 From: twschmutz1 at gmail.com (Tom Schmutz) Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 09:10:54 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Quick question In-Reply-To: <20151113133845.80A452AEF29@smtp.wcoil.com> References: <564562A3.2050902@socket.net> <20151113133845.80A452AEF29@smtp.wcoil.com> Message-ID: Seen this same thing in my rural area. Farm sold, subdivision built next to a working dairy farm. Many complaints. One had law come to see some spilled cow manure on the road being transported for spreading on fields. Officer said farmer had as much right on the road as anybody else and they moved to the country and to get used to it! Good common sense!! The other contributing factor is the lawyers who present these frivolous law suits rather than telling the client to go home and enjoy the rural life. Can't the person being sued countersue for expenses incurred in defense. Go see JUDGE JUDY! Here in Virginia, the "fence law" allows a farmer to install new fences along house property lines and make the house owner pay for one half cost even though the house owner does not farm. Perhaps this is the law in your state and maybe considered in this case. Tom Schmutz On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 8:39 AM, Mark Shulaw wrote: > I have seen this kinda shit before from spoiled asses And thats what > ALL people are who move in next to such already existing operations > (and then start complaining). like a farm or junk yard or other > business that may have some type of odor, noise or whatever issue > that is a natural and understood by-product of that activity. They > buy that land because its cheap due to these activities and then they > wreck everyone around them with their childishness. Personally I > think that there should be a "common sense understanding" "ordinances > if necessary" where if you buy and or build next or near to an > existing facility like any of these there is no right to address > prior existing conditions. Have you asked your lawyer about the > possibility of suing for harassment using frivolous law suits as the > form of harassment? This kinda s#it is all part of a spoilt sh!t > mentality brought on by the oh woe is me childish bully mentality. > And if you buy in and build in a agriculture zoned area expect that > a livestock operation may move in next door at Any Time as that is > what that area is zoned for. > Anyone want to argue against that show you arss and speak up so we > know who you are. Mark S. > > > At 11:10 PM 11/12/2015, you wrote: > > >Are you in a right to farm state? What is your operation like? Is it a > >CAFO? > > > >Richard > > > >On 11/12/2015 9:06 PM, ATIS wrote: > > > Just a quick question: I have a completely legal > > farm: Properly zoned, above the minimum size, and part of an > > agricultural district. I am constantly getting sued by the > > mac-mansion neighbors around me. They always lose and in fact the > > last time the judge dismissed "with prejudice". I assumed that > > would keep anyone from suing but it doesn't. It just means I win > > but I still have to spend money to defend it. In fact, I was > > served yet again with a lawsuit early this week. > > > > > > In short: There does not seem to be a disincentive built into > > the system to prevent suits - even if I keep winning. My legal > > team - who keeps winning so I am biased towards listening - says > > filing a suit against the neighbors for frivolous lawsuits would > > probably fail. They say the court requires "malice and callous > > disregard for the merits" for that to stick and it's a high bar to > > prove. The fact they won't take that on contingency sort of proves > > to me they believe what they say. A second opinion I sought > > supported their position. > > > > > > Anyone else who is farming on this list that is running up > > against this? Just curious. The legal bills are becoming > > onerous and everyone I talk to locally has not seen this. > > > > > > Spencer Yost > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > > >-- > >*Richard Knapp > >rknapp at socket.net > >http://www.centralmissourigrainsforfood.com > > > >It is probable that improbable things will happen. > > > >Archimedes * > > > > > >--- > >This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > >https://www.avast.com/antivirus > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > Mark Shulaw > 454 County Road 33 > Bluffton, OH. 45817 > USA > < > http://pixels.spark.net/c.html?id=85&uid=dbvDV2ht1DV&url=http://www.dailybibleverse.com/search_bible_verses/chapter/%3Feid%3Demail-dbvDV2ht1DV%26book_id%3D62%26chapter%3D2 > >1 > John 2:23 > > Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home > Hobby Collector and Dealer in John Deere > and Hercules Engines. > Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. > VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com > Where Is John Galt > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From yostsw at atis.net Fri Nov 13 07:51:56 2015 From: yostsw at atis.net (ATIS) Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 10:51:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fwd: [AT] Quick question References: <37D8D4DE-A93A-431F-A02A-756D9410D474@atis.net> Message-ID: <9E98B2EF-E003-4FE2-B0BD-F23A30A7F1F3@atis.net> Forgot to copy SEL in the reply as well. Sorry Spencer Yost Begin forwarded message: > From: ATIS > Date: November 13, 2015 at 7:31:27 AM EST > To: Antique tractor email discussion group > Subject: Re: [AT] Quick question > > Thanks for all the replies! I have answered them below. Sorry it is so long. > > First: The courts do not grant legal fees unless there is suit specifically for it or the behavior from the plaintiffs and their legal counsel is egregious that you can file a motion to sanction. We have filed one of those this go round because they re-filed a complaint that has already been dismissed. We'll see where that heads. > > Second: Yes - winning is not the point. See below on what I really think is happening > > Third - Yes - This is a right to farm state but that only means you are more likely to win, it does not protect you from the very expensive process of defending those suits. Plus my neighbors are careful to sue on periphery issues. See below. > > Fourth - Funny thing about the pigs - I mentioned it to my local Ag agent and Fed farm agent as a joke and he said - sure you could. So I have actually been cleared for a feeder pig operation - up to 250 animals. I was hoping that fact would slow them down but it didn?t. > > Fifth - What am I being sued for? What haven?t I! They are generally pretty careful to use complaints and issues that are not directly attacking the farming operation itself. I presume they do this to maximize the amount of time my lawyer would have to spend on them. The complaints are all centered around loss of value (farming district so not my problem), improper surveys(there are none), improper subdivision and platting of the land(latest to be dismissed), using industrial style fencing instead of agricultural( which I don't obviously), just whatever BS they can come up with that might require subjective judgment from the courts and would require money to defend. That sort of thing. > > The neighboring large landowner who owns many tracts around the county and used to farm passed a few years ago. His adult children(my age) have been developing them. I believe; as does my lawyer, these adult children have established an evil alliance with the two McMansion neighbors suing. The ultimate goal is developing the neighboring tract to further boost and solidify values for the new development and the MacMansion neighbors. > > They did tangle with the wrong guy though. They'll get my farm from my cold dead fingers. > > Thanks again for listening! > > Spencer Yost > >> On Nov 13, 2015, at 6:42 AM, Joe Hazewinkel wrote: >> >> Spencer, >> >> I assume you are not in a "right to farm" state? Here in Michigan you cannot sue a farm operation unless it's something especially bad, like a poorly constructed manure pit flooding your basement. >> >> If it's the same landowner over and over again, can you counter sue for harassment? I would think your legal team should be able to collect their fees from the people bringing the suit if/when they loose. If they have to pay your costs each time, they might stop doing it. >> >> Enjoy, Joe >> >> Sent via mobile device >> >> On Nov 12, 2015, at 10:06 PM, ATIS wrote: >> >> Just a quick question: I have a completely legal farm: Properly zoned, above the minimum size, and part of an agricultural district. I am constantly getting sued by the mac-mansion neighbors around me. They always lose and in fact the last time the judge dismissed "with prejudice". I assumed that would keep anyone from suing but it doesn't. It just means I win but I still have to spend money to defend it. In fact, I was served yet again with a lawsuit early this week. >> >> In short: There does not seem to be a disincentive built into the system to prevent suits - even if I keep winning. My legal team - who keeps winning so I am biased towards listening - says filing a suit against the neighbors for frivolous lawsuits would probably fail. They say the court requires "malice and callous disregard for the merits" for that to stick and it's a high bar to prove. The fact they won't take that on contingency sort of proves to me they believe what they say. A second opinion I sought supported their position. >> >> Anyone else who is farming on this list that is running up against this? Just curious. The legal bills are becoming onerous and everyone I talk to locally has not seen this. >> >> Spencer Yost >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AT mailing list >> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at From yostsw at atis.net Fri Nov 13 08:31:51 2015 From: yostsw at atis.net (ATIS) Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 11:31:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] [AT] Quick question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <027FAB7D-C2C3-4393-B695-00059402DB9C@atis.net> Let me continue to answer in no particular order. Hey Dave. The latest is a repeat - the others weren't. Dismissal is easy in this latest because of that but convincing a judge to disallow any depositions or any other expensive legal work until the motion to dismiss is heard can be tough. That is what I learned in the first one. To Charlie. Private citizens are involved, not governmental entities. In fact the governmental entities have been very helpful and supportive. Not sure my state rep will be of much help Also: I am in the Voluntary agricultural district. What I have learned is that is meaningless in terms of protecting you from suits. It just makes it more likely you will win. You are still going to spend all kinds of money. While I have the big guns blazing I am also working more subtle approaches. One way I am fighting back is by having created a crowdfunding campaign at fundedjustice.com. (Please follow it and/or share it on your favorite social media: https://www.fundedjustice.com/en/projects/25952-Defending-Locally-Grown). The money part you see there is so they will doubt their ability to bankrupt me. But really it is not about the money raised, it's about applying peer pressure and communicating the solidarity and support we have in the local community specifically. They know many of the folks that have supported, followed and even donated to the campaign. I hope they realize I am not alone. Thanks again for listening ! Spencer Yost From fero_ah at verizon.net Fri Nov 13 09:04:10 2015 From: fero_ah at verizon.net (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 11:04:10 -0600 (CST) Subject: [SEL] Quick question Message-ID: <1268869685.679780.1447434250941.JavaMail.root@vznit170074.mailsrvcs.net> Spencer, Man I feel your pain. This use of the court system to abuse and harass totally sucks. Locally, we get that sort of abusive rubbish lawsuits from neighbors who have moved in or built near our gun range. Claims of noise pollution, safety, etc. The gun range has been there for decades before these crybabies came on the scene. Large corporations have used the same tactic against locals protesting some aspect of their operation. Sue the little guy (the protester) to get him to shut up and go away or bankrupt him with the same effect. Tort reform is the solution, wherein the loser in a lawsuit pays the legal fees of the winner. It would virtually eliminate the sort of bullshit lawsuits that are being filed against you. Talk to your state and national legislators and see what is currently happening with regard to tort reform. GOOD LUCK! And when you get that pig operation up and running, I hope the MacMansions are downwind. Might also be nice to spread the pig manure on the fields adjacent to the MacMansion properties. Gotta keep those fields fertile. See ya, Arnie Nov 12, 2015 10:10:03 PM, sel at lists.stationary-engine.com wrote: Just a quick question: I have a completely legal farm: Properly zoned, above the minimum size, and part of an agricultural district. I am constantly getting sued by the mac-mansion neighbors around me. They always lose and in fact the last time the judge dismissed "with prejudice". I assumed that would keep anyone from suing but it doesn't. It just means I win but I still have to spend money to defend it. In fact, I was served yet again with a lawsuit early this week. In short: There does not seem to be a disincentive built into the system to prevent suits - even if I keep winning. My legal team - who keeps winning so I am biased towards listening - says filing a suit against the neighbors for frivolous lawsuits would probably fail. They say the court requires "malice and callous disregard for the merits" for that to stick and it's a high bar to prove. The fact they won't take that on contingency sort of proves to me they believe what they say. A second opinion I sought supported their position. Anyone else who is farming on this list that is running up against this? Just curious. The legal bills are becoming onerous and everyone I talk to locally has not seen this. Spencer Yost _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From yostsw at atis.net Fri Nov 13 09:39:35 2015 From: yostsw at atis.net (ATIS) Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 12:39:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Quick question In-Reply-To: <1268869685.679780.1447434250941.JavaMail.root@vznit170074.mailsrvcs.net> References: <1268869685.679780.1447434250941.JavaMail.root@vznit170074.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <71A616D5-B8DA-4A96-B723-163D67862ABC@atis.net> Thanks Arnie. Your point is well taken on tort reform. It has become abundantly clear to me that the system is designed to provide very few obstacles to full employment of lawyers. Spencer Yost > On Nov 13, 2015, at 12:04 PM, Arnie Fero wrote: > > Spencer, > > > > Man I feel your pain. This use of the court system to abuse and > harass totally sucks. Locally, we get that > > sort of abusive rubbish lawsuits from neighbors who have moved in or > built near our gun range. Claims of > > noise pollution, safety, etc. The gun range has been there for decades > before these crybabies came on > > the scene. > > > > Large corporations have used the same tactic against locals protesting > some aspect of their operation. > > Sue the little guy (the protester) to get him to shut up and go away or > bankrupt him with the same effect. > > > > Tort reform is the solution, wherein the loser in a lawsuit pays the > legal fees of the winner. It would virtually > > eliminate the sort of bullshit lawsuits that are being filed against > you. > > > > Talk to your state and national legislators and see what is currently > happening with regard to tort reform. > > > > GOOD LUCK! And when you get that pig operation up and running, I hope > the MacMansions are > > downwind. Might also be nice to spread the pig manure on the fields > adjacent to the > > MacMansion properties. Gotta keep those fields fertile. > > > > See ya, Arnie > Nov 12, 2015 10:10:03 PM, sel at lists.stationary-engine.com wrote: > > Just a quick question: I have a completely legal farm: Properly > zoned, above the minimum size, and part of an agricultural district. > I am constantly getting sued by the mac-mansion neighbors around me. > They always lose and in fact the last time the judge dismissed "with > prejudice". I assumed that would keep anyone from suing but it > doesn't. It just means I win but I still have to spend money to > defend it. In fact, I was served yet again with a lawsuit early this > week. > In short: There does not seem to be a disincentive built into the > system to prevent suits - even if I keep winning. My legal team - > who keeps winning so I am biased towards listening - says filing a > suit against the neighbors for frivolous lawsuits would probably > fail. They say the court requires "malice and callous disregard for > the merits" for that to stick and it's a high bar to prove. The fact > they won't take that on contingency sort of proves to me they > believe what they say. A second opinion I sought supported their > position. > Anyone else who is farming on this list that is running up against > this? Just curious. The legal bills are becoming onerous and > everyone I talk to locally has not seen this. > Spencer Yost > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From frank at lbpinc.com Fri Nov 13 10:02:34 2015 From: frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt) Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 13:02:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fwd: [AT] Quick question In-Reply-To: <9E98B2EF-E003-4FE2-B0BD-F23A30A7F1F3@atis.net> References: <37D8D4DE-A93A-431F-A02A-756D9410D474@atis.net> <9E98B2EF-E003-4FE2-B0BD-F23A30A7F1F3@atis.net> Message-ID: <564625BA.1030609@lbpinc.com> I would find something they don't like and leak the information that you have decided to add X of what they don't like every time there is a threat of a lawsuit as you found out this won't slow them down until you have actually done it once. Add 50 pigs, Build another barn, buy and park another antique tractor by the road, host a farm days for the local 4H, what ever works, I have learned that when working with children they will always test a threat so you need to be willing to go through with it. BTW A guy named Mike Adams is often invited by conservative college students to speak at there on campus events. He gets protests. No problem with that, but if they go over the top, try to shout him down, make the papers, He will tell the make and model of the gun he bought with the speakers fee. Guns are a liberal repellent so that seems to keep things under control. Frank On 11/13/2015 10:51 AM, ATIS wrote: > Forgot to copy SEL in the reply as well. Sorry > > Spencer Yost > > Begin forwarded message: > -- -------------- HONOR GOD SERVE PEOPLE DEVELOP EXCELLENCE GROW PROFITABLE FOLLOWING BIBLICAL PRINCIPLES Frank DeWitt | mailto:frank at lbpinc.com Mechanical Design | Phone: 585 624 3052 LBP INC. | 2365 Cox Rd. | Bloomfield NY 14469 |Web http://www.lbpinc.com/ From spiveylk at gru.net Sat Nov 14 11:42:09 2015 From: spiveylk at gru.net (Lesley K Spivey) Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 14:42:09 -0500 Subject: [SEL] =?utf-8?q?Spam=3E_Quick_Question?= Message-ID: <56478E91.3070707@gru.net> You could explore the 'collusion' or co-operation between parties to commit an action, usually criminal. You could say it was to promote harassment of you for their own financial benefit. A lawyer should know the proper term for it. The feds have used it to get judgements against organized crime figures. Then ask for recompense for your loses. Don't know if it will do any good, but worth looking at. From enginepaul at gmail.com Sun Nov 15 09:36:22 2015 From: enginepaul at gmail.com (STRAIGHT from SanFran) Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2015 09:36:22 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Quick question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mr. Yost; I don't have actual farm experience but I do have legal harassment experience. I do recall a farmer friend here in California getting letters threatening legal action for doing his regular farm processes. One complaint was by a lady that he was spraying after the legal hour allowed. Her proof was that his tractor crossed the road five minutes after the limiting hour. She called whatever government department in charge of that and repeatedly complained. So here we have the government, using the farmer's tax dollars, spending time to annoy him. That was just one farmer with one neighbor and this goes on all the time. They move to your area, then complain about what has been happening for generations. I was involved in years of expensive litigation that I "won" in the end. The people suing me were judgement proof an I never collected on my judgments. When I was paying and complaining about my final legal bill the lawyer said "But you won." I won the opportunity to keep what I already owned. It was like paying for something twice. The problem is the entire legal system and there is no solution. The lawyers are in the legislature and they make the rules. As long as people sue, the legals make money; and if the drag out the process, they make more money. Paul in litigious California On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 7:06 PM, ATIS wrote: > Just a quick question: I have a completely legal farm: Properly > zoned, above the minimum size, and part of an agricultural district. I > am constantly getting sued by the mac-mansion neighbors around me. They > always lose and in fact the last time the judge dismissed "with > prejudice". I assumed that would keep anyone from suing but it doesn't. > It just means I win but I still have to spend money to defend it. In > fact, I was served yet again with a lawsuit early this week. > > In short: There does not seem to be a disincentive built into the system > to prevent suits - even if I keep winning. My legal team - who keeps > winning so I am biased towards listening - says filing a suit against the > neighbors for frivolous lawsuits would probably fail. They say the court > requires "malice and callous disregard for the merits" for that to stick > and it's a high bar to prove. The fact they won't take that on contingency > sort of proves to me they believe what they say. A second opinion I sought > supported their position. > > Anyone else who is farming on this list that is running up against this? > Just curious. The legal bills are becoming onerous and everyone I talk > to locally has not seen this. > > Spencer Yost > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Nov 19 23:11:53 2015 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg) Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2015 18:11:53 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Fw: [announce] FOE Message-ID: Makes a lot of sense to me!!! Sadly, my thoughts have no impact. -----Original Message----- From: Fred On Everything announcements Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 2:38 AM To: Fred List Subject: [announce] FOE For the latest Fred, click o n http://fredoneverything.org/on-campus-at-u-pe-the-university-of-practically-everywhere/ --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus