From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Thu Dec  4 01:43:36 2014
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 20:43:36 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Coolspring 2015
In-Reply-To: <8B754288-76E3-402B-80B0-9EF3958C66E7@me.com>
References: <D092C56A.6EDA%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<8B754288-76E3-402B-80B0-9EF3958C66E7@me.com>
Message-ID: <D0A677B4.6FEB%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

I am looking forward to catching up with everyone there. It should be a
great show.
Patrick

Patrick M Livingstone
0418 692013
Earlwood NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





On 20/11/14 3:05 AM, "David Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com> wrote:

>As always Patrick, Arnie and I and many of the SEL folks will be at the
>end of row 2 near the trees. We will be looking for you and expect that
>you will make the SEL area your "home away from home" while at
>Coolspring. There will be canopies, chairs, water, soda (and someone last
>year even hinted that, perhaps, some adult beverages) there for your
>enjoyment! Looking forward to seeing you there!
>	Dave
>
>On Nov 19, 2014, at 6:08 AM, Patrick Livingstone
><patrick.livingstone at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> My flights are booked and I will be winging my way over to the USA for
>>the
>> Flame Ignition Expo at Coolspring next year. Hopefully I will be able to
>> meet up with quite a few list members there :)
>> Patrick
>> 
>> Patrick M Livingstone
>> 0418 692013
>> Earlwood NSW
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>> 
>> 
>> 
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>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From yostsw at atis.net  Fri Dec  5 10:45:48 2014
From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost)
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 13:45:48 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Engine Hygiene
References: <20141205183147.0CJS6.281075.root@cdptpa-web15>
Message-ID: <9B911F4E-830A-4374-890A-CFE4775A1378@atis.net>

Hey,

At Portland over the years, I asked a few of you what you clean your original (unrestored) engines with.  The answer I remember hearing most was diesel fuel; after getting off the worst of the crud and dirt by gentle scraping.   But, because I have early onset CRS , I am not sure of that answer.  Does that sound right?

I always admired the patina of some of our group's original engines at Portland.  I'd like to recreate that as best I can.  

Thanks!

Spencer


From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Fri Dec  5 11:11:04 2014
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 14:11:04 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Engine Hygiene
In-Reply-To: <9B911F4E-830A-4374-890A-CFE4775A1378@atis.net>
References: <20141205183147.0CJS6.281075.root@cdptpa-web15>,
	<9B911F4E-830A-4374-890A-CFE4775A1378@atis.net>
Message-ID: <COL126-W41E69ECEC9AF3185C21E4895790@phx.gbl>

Hi Spencer , Diesel fuel or kerosene is what I use. let it dry after cleaning and brush on a thin coat of Floods Penetrol to bring out the old paint!  Steve
 
> From: yostsw at atis.net
> Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 13:45:48 -0500
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] Engine Hygiene
> 
> Hey,
> 
> At Portland over the years, I asked a few of you what you clean your original (unrestored) engines with.  The answer I remember hearing most was diesel fuel; after getting off the worst of the crud and dirt by gentle scraping.   But, because I have early onset CRS , I am not sure of that answer.  Does that sound right?
> 
> I always admired the patina of some of our group's original engines at Portland.  I'd like to recreate that as best I can.  
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Spencer
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
 		 	   		  

From frappi at wcoil.com  Fri Dec  5 12:27:07 2014
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 15:27:07 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Engine Hygiene
In-Reply-To: <9B911F4E-830A-4374-890A-CFE4775A1378@atis.net>
References: <20141205183147.0CJS6.281075.root@cdptpa-web15>
	<9B911F4E-830A-4374-890A-CFE4775A1378@atis.net>
Message-ID: <20141205202710.B443B809D@smtp.wcoil.com>


I would add a little tranny fluid to the mix. Ratio ranges from a cup 
per gallon to 50- 50 mix depending on the fella.   Mark



At 01:45 PM 12/5/2014, you wrote:
>Hey,
>
>At Portland over the years, I asked a few of you what you clean your 
>original (unrestored) engines with.  The answer I remember hearing 
>most was diesel fuel; after getting off the worst of the crud and 
>dirt by gentle scraping.   But, because I have early onset CRS , I 
>am not sure of that answer.  Does that sound right?
>
>I always admired the patina of some of our group's original engines 
>at Portland.  I'd like to recreate that as best I can.
>
>Thanks!
>
>Spencer
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


Mark Shulaw
454 County Road 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817
USA

Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home
Hobby Collector and Dealer in John Deere
and Hercules Engines.
Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com



From 1oldengin at gmail.com  Fri Dec  5 12:45:35 2014
From: 1oldengin at gmail.com (Leroy Clark)
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 15:45:35 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Engine Hygiene
In-Reply-To: <20141205202710.B443B809D@smtp.wcoil.com>
References: <20141205183147.0CJS6.281075.root@cdptpa-web15>
	<9B911F4E-830A-4374-890A-CFE4775A1378@atis.net>
	<20141205202710.B443B809D@smtp.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <CA+B8urRYJtnwq6q8aYBmxt7-UTJ4aULvbDPaif7KeF_TcU2KMg@mail.gmail.com>

I have had success with d&l hand cleaner. But mine seem to have very little
paint. .... Leroy
On Dec 5, 2014 3:34 PM, "Mark Shulaw" <frappi at wcoil.com> wrote:

>
> I would add a little tranny fluid to the mix. Ratio ranges from a cup
> per gallon to 50- 50 mix depending on the fella.   Mark
>
>
>
> At 01:45 PM 12/5/2014, you wrote:
> >Hey,
> >
> >At Portland over the years, I asked a few of you what you clean your
> >original (unrestored) engines with.  The answer I remember hearing
> >most was diesel fuel; after getting off the worst of the crud and
> >dirt by gentle scraping.   But, because I have early onset CRS , I
> >am not sure of that answer.  Does that sound right?
> >
> >I always admired the patina of some of our group's original engines
> >at Portland.  I'd like to recreate that as best I can.
> >
> >Thanks!
> >
> >Spencer
> >_______________________________________________
> >SEL mailing list
> >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
> Mark Shulaw
> 454 County Road 33
> Bluffton, OH. 45817
> USA
>
> Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home
> Hobby Collector and Dealer in John Deere
> and Hercules Engines.
> Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
> VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>


From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Fri Dec  5 13:09:49 2014
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke)
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 21:09:49 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Engine Hygiene
In-Reply-To: <9B911F4E-830A-4374-890A-CFE4775A1378@atis.net>
References: <20141205183147.0CJS6.281075.root@cdptpa-web15>,
	<9B911F4E-830A-4374-890A-CFE4775A1378@atis.net>
Message-ID: <SNT150-W98213C62E62CDEAC8B801C8790@phx.gbl>

I have been happy using boiled linseed oil.   The rags will combust so lay them flat somehwere safe.

Luke Tonneberger

Rockford, Michigan

USA 


=====================================

 

> From: yostsw at atis.net
> Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 13:45:48 -0500
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] Engine Hygiene
> 
> Hey,
> 
> At Portland over the years, I asked a few of you what you clean your original (unrestored) engines with. The answer I remember hearing most was diesel fuel; after getting off the worst of the crud and dirt by gentle scraping. But, because I have early onset CRS , I am not sure of that answer. Does that sound right?
> 
> I always admired the patina of some of our group's original engines at Portland. I'd like to recreate that as best I can. 
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Spencer
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
 		 	   		  

From rotigel at me.com  Fri Dec  5 16:37:31 2014
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 19:37:31 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Engine Hygiene
In-Reply-To: <9B911F4E-830A-4374-890A-CFE4775A1378@atis.net>
References: <20141205183147.0CJS6.281075.root@cdptpa-web15>
	<9B911F4E-830A-4374-890A-CFE4775A1378@atis.net>
Message-ID: <15CACF32-314A-46FF-8A1B-BEE2C58E23DC@me.com>

Use GUNK in a spray can, Spencer. Then after you have hosed the engine off and let it dry WELL, brush on two coats of Penatrol. Penatrol is made by Flood, and can be purchaced at Lowe's. It comes in a quart can for about $11.00. A quart will do about 4 small (i.e. 1 1/2 HP) engines.
	Dave

On Dec 5, 2014, at 1:45 PM, Spencer Yost <yostsw at atis.net> wrote:

> Hey,
> 
> At Portland over the years, I asked a few of you what you clean your original (unrestored) engines with.  The answer I remember hearing most was diesel fuel; after getting off the worst of the crud and dirt by gentle scraping.   But, because I have early onset CRS , I am not sure of that answer.  Does that sound right?
> 
> I always admired the patina of some of our group's original engines at Portland.  I'd like to recreate that as best I can.  
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Spencer
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From fero_ah at verizon.net  Sat Dec  6 06:23:29 2014
From: fero_ah at verizon.net (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2014 08:23:29 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [SEL] Engine Hygiene
Message-ID: <217085416.25634.1417875809119.JavaMail.root@vznit170072.mailsrvcs.net>

   Spencer,



   Like the others, I'm partial to using kerosene and Gunk for the
   cleaning part.  I've used a 50-50 mix of kero and non-detergent motor
   oil to give an old industrial look to an engine.  Most recently, I've
   started using Penetrol.  It's nice in that it's a bit more permanent
   that the kero-oil mix and it doesn't attract dirt like the kero-oil
   mix.



   Arnie
   Dec 5, 2014 01:59:55 PM, sel at lists.stationary-engine.com wrote:

     Hey,
     At Portland over the years, I asked a few of you what you clean your
     original (unrestored) engines with. The answer I remember hearing
     most was diesel fuel; after getting off the worst of the crud and
     dirt by gentle scraping. But, because I have early onset CRS , I am
     not sure of that answer. Does that sound right?
     I always admired the patina of some of our group's original engines
     at Portland. I'd like to recreate that as best I can.
     Thanks!
     Spencer
     _______________________________________________
     SEL mailing list
     SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
     http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From rob at rustyiron.com  Sat Dec  6 07:41:17 2014
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 07:41:17 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Engine Hygiene
In-Reply-To: <217085416.25634.1417875809119.JavaMail.root@vznit170072.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <217085416.25634.1417875809119.JavaMail.root@vznit170072.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <3C26D7BD-FC51-45F0-980B-818800235D19@rustyiron.com>


I?ll through in a word of caution regarding the use of Gunk.  Once I was working on a very nice Lorenz with lots of original red paint.  When the engine arrived here, it was covered in all sorts of grease and animal hair from sitting in a barn for many years. I hosed the engine off, sprayed on the Gunk, and let it sit.  When I checked on the progress, not only was the built up grease softened, but the gorgeous original paint had turned soft and PINK.  My beautiful original engine was now PINK.  I quickly hosed the engine down, and carefully toweled it off, and let it dry.  Afterward, I wiped it down with boiled linseed oil, and luckily, the color was restored. I learned my lesson and no longer do I use harsh chemicals on engines. 

Nowadays, I like to use gentler cleaners, like diesel fuel or Simple Green Crystal, along with a scraper, wooden stick, toothbrush, stainless wire brush, or a brass wire brush.  For cleaning good paint that might be stained, use one of the cleaners with steel wool. For fine work, use parafin oil with very fine steel wool or brass wool.  

For a finish, boiled linseed oil works nicely on paint.  Steam oil works nicely on bright metal. 

Rob





From fero_ah at verizon.net  Sat Dec  6 09:01:10 2014
From: fero_ah at verizon.net (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2014 11:01:10 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [SEL] Engine Hygiene
Message-ID: <1944494514.41551.1417885270743.JavaMail.root@vznit170078.mailsrvcs.net>

   Radiator brushes are really handy for cleaning engines.  The long
   handle and angled head make it easy to get into the nooks and crannies
   of an engine.



   [1]http://www.amazon.com/Dynamic-HB216603-Bristle-Radiator-1-Inch/dp/B0
   0DH7ZSL4/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1417885081&sr=8-7&keywords=radiator+bru
   sh

   Dec 6, 2014 10:47:00 AM, sel at lists.stationary-engine.com wrote:

     I???ll through in a word of caution regarding the use of Gunk. Once
     I was working on a very nice Lorenz with lots of original red paint.
     When the engine arrived here, it was covered in all sorts of grease
     and animal hair from sitting in a barn for many years. I hosed the
     engine off, sprayed on the Gunk, and let it sit. When I checked on
     the progress, not only was the built up grease softened, but the
     gorgeous original paint had turned soft and PINK. My beautiful
     original engine was now PINK. I quickly hosed the engine down, and
     carefully toweled it off, and let it dry. Afterward, I wiped it down
     with boiled linseed oil, and luckily, the color was restored. I
     learned my lesson and no longer do I use harsh chemicals on engines.
     Nowadays, I like to use gentler cleaners, like diesel fuel or Simple
     Green Crystal, along with a scraper, wooden stick, toothbrush,
     stainless wire brush, or a brass wire brush. For cleaning good paint
     that might be stained, use one of the cleaners with steel wool. For
     fine work, use parafin oil with very fine steel wool or brass wool.
     For a finish, boiled linseed oil works nicely on paint. Steam oil
     works nicely on bright metal.
     Rob
     _______________________________________________
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     SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
     http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

References

   1. http://www.amazon.com/Dynamic-HB216603-Bristle-Radiator-1-Inch/dp/B00DH7ZSL4/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1417885081&sr=8-7&keywords=radiator+brush


From yostsw at atis.net  Sat Dec  6 16:02:01 2014
From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost)
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 19:02:01 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Engine Hygiene
In-Reply-To: <1944494514.41551.1417885270743.JavaMail.root@vznit170078.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <1944494514.41551.1417885270743.JavaMail.root@vznit170078.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <08E37387-6BBE-47DC-B29D-9EC3FC8B431E@atis.net>

Thanks for all the great advice.  I'll grab some Penetrol tomorrow.  It happens to be the holiday employee sale ( I work for Lowes) so I get some extra %-age off too!  Like Rob mentioned, I have had trouble with Gunk getting into the paint on tractor parts .   So I'll use kerosene and elbow grease. 


Thanks again!

Spencer
Sent from my iPhone


From rotigel at me.com  Sat Dec  6 16:08:48 2014
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2014 19:08:48 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Engine Hygiene
In-Reply-To: <3C26D7BD-FC51-45F0-980B-818800235D19@rustyiron.com>
References: <217085416.25634.1417875809119.JavaMail.root@vznit170072.mailsrvcs.net>
	<3C26D7BD-FC51-45F0-980B-818800235D19@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <1398F557-09CD-4826-BE96-06BA508DDD3C@me.com>

I've used Gunk on all my engines for years. It has never done any damage to the old paint. Granted it leaves the old paint looking bleached out, but as Rob points out the linseed oil brings the colo(u)r right back. As far as softening the paint goes, I have never had that happen when using Gunk. (I, however, have never tried Gunk on a Lorenz. I will try that the next time Arnie brings his Lorenz to a show, and report back!) The problem I have with linseed oil is that it does not last. Penetrol, however, has now lasted on the engines that I have applied it to for several years now and shows no signs of dulling. 
	Dave

On Dec 6, 2014, at 10:41 AM, Rob Skinner <rob at rustyiron.com> wrote:

> 
> I?ll through in a word of caution regarding the use of Gunk.  Once I was working on a very nice Lorenz with lots of original red paint.  When the engine arrived here, it was covered in all sorts of grease and animal hair from sitting in a barn for many years. I hosed the engine off, sprayed on the Gunk, and let it sit.  When I checked on the progress, not only was the built up grease softened, but the gorgeous original paint had turned soft and PINK.  My beautiful original engine was now PINK.  I quickly hosed the engine down, and carefully toweled it off, and let it dry.  Afterward, I wiped it down with boiled linseed oil, and luckily, the color was restored. I learned my lesson and no longer do I use harsh chemicals on engines. 
> 
> Nowadays, I like to use gentler cleaners, like diesel fuel or Simple Green Crystal, along with a scraper, wooden stick, toothbrush, stainless wire brush, or a brass wire brush.  For cleaning good paint that might be stained, use one of the cleaners with steel wool. For fine work, use parafin oil with very fine steel wool or brass wool.  
> 
> For a finish, boiled linseed oil works nicely on paint.  Steam oil works nicely on bright metal. 
> 
> Rob




From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Sun Dec 14 18:23:55 2014
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 13:23:55 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Thinning out the collection
Message-ID: <D0B4916B.7093%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

I am thinning out the collection a bit to help fund the other restorations.
4hp Root & VanDervoort 1913. All there except for the ignitor. Some parts
need machining. $1000
4hp Buzacott 1929. Complete, older restoration. Has not been started for
about 5 years. Fitted with a Lucas magneto which has a weak spark but comes
with the correct ML magneto. $1000
Fairbanks-Morse 1A Eclipse. Complete but unrestored but has had a short run.
$1500
Patrick

Patrick M Livingstone
0418 692013
Earlwood NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From k_armstrong1 at bigpond.com  Sat Dec 20 00:30:16 2014
From: k_armstrong1 at bigpond.com (k_armstrong1 at bigpond.com)
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 16:30:16 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Howard terrier engine
Message-ID: <4E8E460101FA46289078093AB64E1941@userPC>

I have a Howard terrier rotary hoe model l.02 serial number 16688 and it needs a conrod, any one know who made this engine

regards

kevin armstrong

From al.harris at rustic-engines.com  Sat Dec 20 01:13:58 2014
From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris)
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 20:13:58 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Howard terrier engine
In-Reply-To: <4E8E460101FA46289078093AB64E1941@userPC>
References: <4E8E460101FA46289078093AB64E1941@userPC>
Message-ID: <54953DD6.6030309@rustic-engines.com>

This may help Kevin.

> http://www.howard-australia.com.au/uploaded/SpareParts/Engines-fitted-to-old-howard-products.pdf


Al Harris


On 20-Dec-14 19:30, k_armstrong1 at bigpond.com wrote:
> I have a Howard terrier rotary hoe model l.02 serial number 16688 and it needs a conrod, any one know who made this engine
>
> regards
>
> kevin armstrong
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From cooperjb at aapt.net.au  Sat Dec 20 02:37:12 2014
From: cooperjb at aapt.net.au (John & Beryl Cooper)
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 21:37:12 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Howard terrier engine
In-Reply-To: <4E8E460101FA46289078093AB64E1941@userPC>
Message-ID: <88CCEF739B7C4010B10B81F6C59C68BC@JBCooper>

HI kevin,
I have an old Terrier in the shed,motor still goes,I think it is a Kohler.
Regards,
John Cooper Bega N.S.W. 2550.

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
k_armstrong1 at bigpond.com
Sent: Saturday, 20 December 2014 7:30 PM
To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; sel group
Subject: [SEL] Howard terrier engine


I have a Howard terrier rotary hoe model l.02 serial number 16688 and it
needs a conrod, any one know who made this engine

regards

kevin armstrong



From k_armstrong1 at bigpond.com  Sat Dec 20 22:48:53 2014
From: k_armstrong1 at bigpond.com (k_armstrong1 at bigpond.com)
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2014 14:48:53 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Howard terrier engine
In-Reply-To: <88CCEF739B7C4010B10B81F6C59C68BC@JBCooper>
References: <88CCEF739B7C4010B10B81F6C59C68BC@JBCooper>
Message-ID: <85719F630A5542FCB29F5BCFF1D03451@userPC>

Hi John, I found out they did use Kohler engines in latter models 
I found the info from Howard web page.
mine is a model L 

regards
Kevin Armstrong


-----Original Message----- 
From: John & Beryl Cooper 
Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2014 6:37 PM 
To: 'The SEL email discussion list' 
Subject: Re: [SEL] Howard terrier engine 

HI kevin,
I have an old Terrier in the shed,motor still goes,I think it is a Kohler.
Regards,
John Cooper Bega N.S.W. 2550.

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
k_armstrong1 at bigpond.com
Sent: Saturday, 20 December 2014 7:30 PM
To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; sel group
Subject: [SEL] Howard terrier engine


I have a Howard terrier rotary hoe model l.02 serial number 16688 and it
needs a conrod, any one know who made this engine

regards

kevin armstrong

_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From k_armstrong1 at bigpond.com  Sat Dec 20 23:18:37 2014
From: k_armstrong1 at bigpond.com (k_armstrong1 at bigpond.com)
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2014 15:18:37 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Hercules cylinder/ barrel
Message-ID: <82F1D8B657C942F8B8E5D7A1A809F4A9@userPC>

Hello all, I am in need of a cylinder / barrel for my Hercules 5 FKW OR 6 HP XK engine these where sold as Emu and other names in Australia.
The cylinder I have is completely rusted away

hoping there?s some around

regards

Kevin Armstrong
Perth WA

From cooperjb at aapt.net.au  Sun Dec 21 14:08:37 2014
From: cooperjb at aapt.net.au (John & Beryl Cooper)
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 09:08:37 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Howard terrier engine
In-Reply-To: <85719F630A5542FCB29F5BCFF1D03451@userPC>
Message-ID: <6FA65F27995A48C2A05C4725BF6BDA48@JBCooper>

Hi Kevin,
Checked out my old Terrier, it is a model L serial No. 20104.
No indication of the engine make but it still turns over but has a tight
spot, possibly a stuck valve.
Regards,
John Cooper.

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Subject: Re: [SEL] Howard terrier engine


Hi John, I found out they did use Kohler engines in latter models 
I found the info from Howard web page.
mine is a model L 

regards
Kevin Armstrong


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From: John & Beryl Cooper 
Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2014 6:37 PM 
To: 'The SEL email discussion list' 
Subject: Re: [SEL] Howard terrier engine 

HI kevin,
I have an old Terrier in the shed,motor still goes,I think it is a Kohler.
Regards, John Cooper Bega N.S.W. 2550.

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I have a Howard terrier rotary hoe model l.02 serial number 16688 and it
needs a conrod, any one know who made this engine

regards

kevin armstrong

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From BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com  Sun Dec 21 16:16:46 2014
From: BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com (BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2014 19:16:46 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Howard terrier engine
Message-ID: <5d365.380e6633.41c8bcf1@aol.com>

John 
 
Can you send a photo
 
Kevin K 
 
 
In a message dated 12/21/2014 5:13:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
cooperjb at aapt.net.au writes:

Hi  Kevin,
Checked out my old Terrier, it is a model L serial No. 20104.
No  indication of the engine make but it still turns over but has a tight
spot,  possibly a stuck valve.
Regards,
John Cooper.

-----Original  Message-----
From:  sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]  On Behalf Of
k_armstrong1 at bigpond.com
Sent: Sunday, 21 December 2014  5:49 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Howard  terrier engine


Hi John, I found out they did use Kohler engines in  latter models 
I found the info from Howard web page.
mine is a model L  

regards
Kevin Armstrong


-----Original Message-----  
From: John & Beryl Cooper 
Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2014 6:37  PM 
To: 'The SEL email discussion list' 
Subject: Re: [SEL] Howard  terrier engine 

HI kevin,
I have an old Terrier in the shed,motor  still goes,I think it is a Kohler.
Regards, John Cooper Bega N.S.W.  2550.

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Subject: [SEL]  Howard terrier engine


I have a Howard terrier rotary hoe model l.02  serial number 16688 and it
needs a conrod, any one know who made this  engine

regards

kevin  armstrong

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From asouth42 at embarqmail.com  Wed Dec 31 07:25:16 2014
From: asouth42 at embarqmail.com (Arthur Southwell)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 10:25:16 -0500
Subject: [SEL] O.T. 2014
Message-ID: <A0E86DF04324454BB10B0C8702E35573@Arthur3>

HAPPY NEW YEAR! 
2014 is almost a thing of the past!

Arthur Southwell
Arcadia, Florida, USA

From jbcast at charter.net  Wed Dec 31 10:47:21 2014
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 13:47:21 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] O.T. 2014
Message-ID: <5a4f1ddc.fecf7.14aa1ac7408.Webtop.49@charter.net>


Thanks Arthur, same from here, might get to see you this year.
J.B.

On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 9:25 AM, Arthur Southwell wrote:

> HAPPY NEW YEAR! 2014 is almost a thing of the past!
>
> Arthur Southwell
> Arcadia, Florida, USA
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From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Thu Dec  4 01:43:36 2014
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 20:43:36 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Coolspring 2015
In-Reply-To: <8B754288-76E3-402B-80B0-9EF3958C66E7@me.com>
References: <D092C56A.6EDA%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<8B754288-76E3-402B-80B0-9EF3958C66E7@me.com>
Message-ID: <D0A677B4.6FEB%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

I am looking forward to catching up with everyone there. It should be a
great show.
Patrick

Patrick M Livingstone
0418 692013
Earlwood NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





On 20/11/14 3:05 AM, "David Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com> wrote:

>As always Patrick, Arnie and I and many of the SEL folks will be at the
>end of row 2 near the trees. We will be looking for you and expect that
>you will make the SEL area your "home away from home" while at
>Coolspring. There will be canopies, chairs, water, soda (and someone last
>year even hinted that, perhaps, some adult beverages) there for your
>enjoyment! Looking forward to seeing you there!
>	Dave
>
>On Nov 19, 2014, at 6:08 AM, Patrick Livingstone
><patrick.livingstone at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> My flights are booked and I will be winging my way over to the USA for
>>the
>> Flame Ignition Expo at Coolspring next year. Hopefully I will be able to
>> meet up with quite a few list members there :)
>> Patrick
>> 
>> Patrick M Livingstone
>> 0418 692013
>> Earlwood NSW
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From yostsw at atis.net  Fri Dec  5 10:45:48 2014
From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost)
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 13:45:48 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Engine Hygiene
References: <20141205183147.0CJS6.281075.root@cdptpa-web15>
Message-ID: <9B911F4E-830A-4374-890A-CFE4775A1378@atis.net>

Hey,

At Portland over the years, I asked a few of you what you clean your original (unrestored) engines with.  The answer I remember hearing most was diesel fuel; after getting off the worst of the crud and dirt by gentle scraping.   But, because I have early onset CRS , I am not sure of that answer.  Does that sound right?

I always admired the patina of some of our group's original engines at Portland.  I'd like to recreate that as best I can.  

Thanks!

Spencer


From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Fri Dec  5 11:11:04 2014
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 14:11:04 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Engine Hygiene
In-Reply-To: <9B911F4E-830A-4374-890A-CFE4775A1378@atis.net>
References: <20141205183147.0CJS6.281075.root@cdptpa-web15>,
	<9B911F4E-830A-4374-890A-CFE4775A1378@atis.net>
Message-ID: <COL126-W41E69ECEC9AF3185C21E4895790@phx.gbl>

Hi Spencer , Diesel fuel or kerosene is what I use. let it dry after cleaning and brush on a thin coat of Floods Penetrol to bring out the old paint!  Steve
 
> From: yostsw at atis.net
> Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 13:45:48 -0500
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] Engine Hygiene
> 
> Hey,
> 
> At Portland over the years, I asked a few of you what you clean your original (unrestored) engines with.  The answer I remember hearing most was diesel fuel; after getting off the worst of the crud and dirt by gentle scraping.   But, because I have early onset CRS , I am not sure of that answer.  Does that sound right?
> 
> I always admired the patina of some of our group's original engines at Portland.  I'd like to recreate that as best I can.  
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Spencer
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
 		 	   		  

From frappi at wcoil.com  Fri Dec  5 12:27:07 2014
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 15:27:07 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Engine Hygiene
In-Reply-To: <9B911F4E-830A-4374-890A-CFE4775A1378@atis.net>
References: <20141205183147.0CJS6.281075.root@cdptpa-web15>
	<9B911F4E-830A-4374-890A-CFE4775A1378@atis.net>
Message-ID: <20141205202710.B443B809D@smtp.wcoil.com>


I would add a little tranny fluid to the mix. Ratio ranges from a cup 
per gallon to 50- 50 mix depending on the fella.   Mark



At 01:45 PM 12/5/2014, you wrote:
>Hey,
>
>At Portland over the years, I asked a few of you what you clean your 
>original (unrestored) engines with.  The answer I remember hearing 
>most was diesel fuel; after getting off the worst of the crud and 
>dirt by gentle scraping.   But, because I have early onset CRS , I 
>am not sure of that answer.  Does that sound right?
>
>I always admired the patina of some of our group's original engines 
>at Portland.  I'd like to recreate that as best I can.
>
>Thanks!
>
>Spencer
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


Mark Shulaw
454 County Road 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817
USA

Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home
Hobby Collector and Dealer in John Deere
and Hercules Engines.
Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com



From 1oldengin at gmail.com  Fri Dec  5 12:45:35 2014
From: 1oldengin at gmail.com (Leroy Clark)
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 15:45:35 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Engine Hygiene
In-Reply-To: <20141205202710.B443B809D@smtp.wcoil.com>
References: <20141205183147.0CJS6.281075.root@cdptpa-web15>
	<9B911F4E-830A-4374-890A-CFE4775A1378@atis.net>
	<20141205202710.B443B809D@smtp.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <CA+B8urRYJtnwq6q8aYBmxt7-UTJ4aULvbDPaif7KeF_TcU2KMg@mail.gmail.com>

I have had success with d&l hand cleaner. But mine seem to have very little
paint. .... Leroy
On Dec 5, 2014 3:34 PM, "Mark Shulaw" <frappi at wcoil.com> wrote:

>
> I would add a little tranny fluid to the mix. Ratio ranges from a cup
> per gallon to 50- 50 mix depending on the fella.   Mark
>
>
>
> At 01:45 PM 12/5/2014, you wrote:
> >Hey,
> >
> >At Portland over the years, I asked a few of you what you clean your
> >original (unrestored) engines with.  The answer I remember hearing
> >most was diesel fuel; after getting off the worst of the crud and
> >dirt by gentle scraping.   But, because I have early onset CRS , I
> >am not sure of that answer.  Does that sound right?
> >
> >I always admired the patina of some of our group's original engines
> >at Portland.  I'd like to recreate that as best I can.
> >
> >Thanks!
> >
> >Spencer
> >_______________________________________________
> >SEL mailing list
> >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
> Mark Shulaw
> 454 County Road 33
> Bluffton, OH. 45817
> USA
>
> Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home
> Hobby Collector and Dealer in John Deere
> and Hercules Engines.
> Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
> VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>


From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Fri Dec  5 13:09:49 2014
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke)
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 21:09:49 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Engine Hygiene
In-Reply-To: <9B911F4E-830A-4374-890A-CFE4775A1378@atis.net>
References: <20141205183147.0CJS6.281075.root@cdptpa-web15>,
	<9B911F4E-830A-4374-890A-CFE4775A1378@atis.net>
Message-ID: <SNT150-W98213C62E62CDEAC8B801C8790@phx.gbl>

I have been happy using boiled linseed oil.   The rags will combust so lay them flat somehwere safe.

Luke Tonneberger

Rockford, Michigan

USA 


=====================================

 

> From: yostsw at atis.net
> Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 13:45:48 -0500
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] Engine Hygiene
> 
> Hey,
> 
> At Portland over the years, I asked a few of you what you clean your original (unrestored) engines with. The answer I remember hearing most was diesel fuel; after getting off the worst of the crud and dirt by gentle scraping. But, because I have early onset CRS , I am not sure of that answer. Does that sound right?
> 
> I always admired the patina of some of our group's original engines at Portland. I'd like to recreate that as best I can. 
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Spencer
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
 		 	   		  

From rotigel at me.com  Fri Dec  5 16:37:31 2014
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 19:37:31 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Engine Hygiene
In-Reply-To: <9B911F4E-830A-4374-890A-CFE4775A1378@atis.net>
References: <20141205183147.0CJS6.281075.root@cdptpa-web15>
	<9B911F4E-830A-4374-890A-CFE4775A1378@atis.net>
Message-ID: <15CACF32-314A-46FF-8A1B-BEE2C58E23DC@me.com>

Use GUNK in a spray can, Spencer. Then after you have hosed the engine off and let it dry WELL, brush on two coats of Penatrol. Penatrol is made by Flood, and can be purchaced at Lowe's. It comes in a quart can for about $11.00. A quart will do about 4 small (i.e. 1 1/2 HP) engines.
	Dave

On Dec 5, 2014, at 1:45 PM, Spencer Yost <yostsw at atis.net> wrote:

> Hey,
> 
> At Portland over the years, I asked a few of you what you clean your original (unrestored) engines with.  The answer I remember hearing most was diesel fuel; after getting off the worst of the crud and dirt by gentle scraping.   But, because I have early onset CRS , I am not sure of that answer.  Does that sound right?
> 
> I always admired the patina of some of our group's original engines at Portland.  I'd like to recreate that as best I can.  
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Spencer
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From fero_ah at verizon.net  Sat Dec  6 06:23:29 2014
From: fero_ah at verizon.net (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2014 08:23:29 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [SEL] Engine Hygiene
Message-ID: <217085416.25634.1417875809119.JavaMail.root@vznit170072.mailsrvcs.net>

   Spencer,



   Like the others, I'm partial to using kerosene and Gunk for the
   cleaning part.  I've used a 50-50 mix of kero and non-detergent motor
   oil to give an old industrial look to an engine.  Most recently, I've
   started using Penetrol.  It's nice in that it's a bit more permanent
   that the kero-oil mix and it doesn't attract dirt like the kero-oil
   mix.



   Arnie
   Dec 5, 2014 01:59:55 PM, sel at lists.stationary-engine.com wrote:

     Hey,
     At Portland over the years, I asked a few of you what you clean your
     original (unrestored) engines with. The answer I remember hearing
     most was diesel fuel; after getting off the worst of the crud and
     dirt by gentle scraping. But, because I have early onset CRS , I am
     not sure of that answer. Does that sound right?
     I always admired the patina of some of our group's original engines
     at Portland. I'd like to recreate that as best I can.
     Thanks!
     Spencer
     _______________________________________________
     SEL mailing list
     SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
     http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From rob at rustyiron.com  Sat Dec  6 07:41:17 2014
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 07:41:17 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Engine Hygiene
In-Reply-To: <217085416.25634.1417875809119.JavaMail.root@vznit170072.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <217085416.25634.1417875809119.JavaMail.root@vznit170072.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <3C26D7BD-FC51-45F0-980B-818800235D19@rustyiron.com>


I?ll through in a word of caution regarding the use of Gunk.  Once I was working on a very nice Lorenz with lots of original red paint.  When the engine arrived here, it was covered in all sorts of grease and animal hair from sitting in a barn for many years. I hosed the engine off, sprayed on the Gunk, and let it sit.  When I checked on the progress, not only was the built up grease softened, but the gorgeous original paint had turned soft and PINK.  My beautiful original engine was now PINK.  I quickly hosed the engine down, and carefully toweled it off, and let it dry.  Afterward, I wiped it down with boiled linseed oil, and luckily, the color was restored. I learned my lesson and no longer do I use harsh chemicals on engines. 

Nowadays, I like to use gentler cleaners, like diesel fuel or Simple Green Crystal, along with a scraper, wooden stick, toothbrush, stainless wire brush, or a brass wire brush.  For cleaning good paint that might be stained, use one of the cleaners with steel wool. For fine work, use parafin oil with very fine steel wool or brass wool.  

For a finish, boiled linseed oil works nicely on paint.  Steam oil works nicely on bright metal. 

Rob





From fero_ah at verizon.net  Sat Dec  6 09:01:10 2014
From: fero_ah at verizon.net (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2014 11:01:10 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [SEL] Engine Hygiene
Message-ID: <1944494514.41551.1417885270743.JavaMail.root@vznit170078.mailsrvcs.net>

   Radiator brushes are really handy for cleaning engines.  The long
   handle and angled head make it easy to get into the nooks and crannies
   of an engine.



   [1]http://www.amazon.com/Dynamic-HB216603-Bristle-Radiator-1-Inch/dp/B0
   0DH7ZSL4/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1417885081&sr=8-7&keywords=radiator+bru
   sh

   Dec 6, 2014 10:47:00 AM, sel at lists.stationary-engine.com wrote:

     I???ll through in a word of caution regarding the use of Gunk. Once
     I was working on a very nice Lorenz with lots of original red paint.
     When the engine arrived here, it was covered in all sorts of grease
     and animal hair from sitting in a barn for many years. I hosed the
     engine off, sprayed on the Gunk, and let it sit. When I checked on
     the progress, not only was the built up grease softened, but the
     gorgeous original paint had turned soft and PINK. My beautiful
     original engine was now PINK. I quickly hosed the engine down, and
     carefully toweled it off, and let it dry. Afterward, I wiped it down
     with boiled linseed oil, and luckily, the color was restored. I
     learned my lesson and no longer do I use harsh chemicals on engines.
     Nowadays, I like to use gentler cleaners, like diesel fuel or Simple
     Green Crystal, along with a scraper, wooden stick, toothbrush,
     stainless wire brush, or a brass wire brush. For cleaning good paint
     that might be stained, use one of the cleaners with steel wool. For
     fine work, use parafin oil with very fine steel wool or brass wool.
     For a finish, boiled linseed oil works nicely on paint. Steam oil
     works nicely on bright metal.
     Rob
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References

   1. http://www.amazon.com/Dynamic-HB216603-Bristle-Radiator-1-Inch/dp/B00DH7ZSL4/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1417885081&sr=8-7&keywords=radiator+brush


From yostsw at atis.net  Sat Dec  6 16:02:01 2014
From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost)
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 19:02:01 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Engine Hygiene
In-Reply-To: <1944494514.41551.1417885270743.JavaMail.root@vznit170078.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <1944494514.41551.1417885270743.JavaMail.root@vznit170078.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <08E37387-6BBE-47DC-B29D-9EC3FC8B431E@atis.net>

Thanks for all the great advice.  I'll grab some Penetrol tomorrow.  It happens to be the holiday employee sale ( I work for Lowes) so I get some extra %-age off too!  Like Rob mentioned, I have had trouble with Gunk getting into the paint on tractor parts .   So I'll use kerosene and elbow grease. 


Thanks again!

Spencer
Sent from my iPhone


From rotigel at me.com  Sat Dec  6 16:08:48 2014
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2014 19:08:48 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Engine Hygiene
In-Reply-To: <3C26D7BD-FC51-45F0-980B-818800235D19@rustyiron.com>
References: <217085416.25634.1417875809119.JavaMail.root@vznit170072.mailsrvcs.net>
	<3C26D7BD-FC51-45F0-980B-818800235D19@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <1398F557-09CD-4826-BE96-06BA508DDD3C@me.com>

I've used Gunk on all my engines for years. It has never done any damage to the old paint. Granted it leaves the old paint looking bleached out, but as Rob points out the linseed oil brings the colo(u)r right back. As far as softening the paint goes, I have never had that happen when using Gunk. (I, however, have never tried Gunk on a Lorenz. I will try that the next time Arnie brings his Lorenz to a show, and report back!) The problem I have with linseed oil is that it does not last. Penetrol, however, has now lasted on the engines that I have applied it to for several years now and shows no signs of dulling. 
	Dave

On Dec 6, 2014, at 10:41 AM, Rob Skinner <rob at rustyiron.com> wrote:

> 
> I?ll through in a word of caution regarding the use of Gunk.  Once I was working on a very nice Lorenz with lots of original red paint.  When the engine arrived here, it was covered in all sorts of grease and animal hair from sitting in a barn for many years. I hosed the engine off, sprayed on the Gunk, and let it sit.  When I checked on the progress, not only was the built up grease softened, but the gorgeous original paint had turned soft and PINK.  My beautiful original engine was now PINK.  I quickly hosed the engine down, and carefully toweled it off, and let it dry.  Afterward, I wiped it down with boiled linseed oil, and luckily, the color was restored. I learned my lesson and no longer do I use harsh chemicals on engines. 
> 
> Nowadays, I like to use gentler cleaners, like diesel fuel or Simple Green Crystal, along with a scraper, wooden stick, toothbrush, stainless wire brush, or a brass wire brush.  For cleaning good paint that might be stained, use one of the cleaners with steel wool. For fine work, use parafin oil with very fine steel wool or brass wool.  
> 
> For a finish, boiled linseed oil works nicely on paint.  Steam oil works nicely on bright metal. 
> 
> Rob




From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Sun Dec 14 18:23:55 2014
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 13:23:55 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Thinning out the collection
Message-ID: <D0B4916B.7093%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

I am thinning out the collection a bit to help fund the other restorations.
4hp Root & VanDervoort 1913. All there except for the ignitor. Some parts
need machining. $1000
4hp Buzacott 1929. Complete, older restoration. Has not been started for
about 5 years. Fitted with a Lucas magneto which has a weak spark but comes
with the correct ML magneto. $1000
Fairbanks-Morse 1A Eclipse. Complete but unrestored but has had a short run.
$1500
Patrick

Patrick M Livingstone
0418 692013
Earlwood NSW
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From k_armstrong1 at bigpond.com  Sat Dec 20 00:30:16 2014
From: k_armstrong1 at bigpond.com (k_armstrong1 at bigpond.com)
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 16:30:16 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Howard terrier engine
Message-ID: <4E8E460101FA46289078093AB64E1941@userPC>

I have a Howard terrier rotary hoe model l.02 serial number 16688 and it needs a conrod, any one know who made this engine

regards

kevin armstrong

From al.harris at rustic-engines.com  Sat Dec 20 01:13:58 2014
From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris)
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 20:13:58 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Howard terrier engine
In-Reply-To: <4E8E460101FA46289078093AB64E1941@userPC>
References: <4E8E460101FA46289078093AB64E1941@userPC>
Message-ID: <54953DD6.6030309@rustic-engines.com>

This may help Kevin.

> http://www.howard-australia.com.au/uploaded/SpareParts/Engines-fitted-to-old-howard-products.pdf


Al Harris


On 20-Dec-14 19:30, k_armstrong1 at bigpond.com wrote:
> I have a Howard terrier rotary hoe model l.02 serial number 16688 and it needs a conrod, any one know who made this engine
>
> regards
>
> kevin armstrong
>
>
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From cooperjb at aapt.net.au  Sat Dec 20 02:37:12 2014
From: cooperjb at aapt.net.au (John & Beryl Cooper)
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 21:37:12 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Howard terrier engine
In-Reply-To: <4E8E460101FA46289078093AB64E1941@userPC>
Message-ID: <88CCEF739B7C4010B10B81F6C59C68BC@JBCooper>

HI kevin,
I have an old Terrier in the shed,motor still goes,I think it is a Kohler.
Regards,
John Cooper Bega N.S.W. 2550.

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Subject: [SEL] Howard terrier engine


I have a Howard terrier rotary hoe model l.02 serial number 16688 and it
needs a conrod, any one know who made this engine

regards

kevin armstrong



From k_armstrong1 at bigpond.com  Sat Dec 20 22:48:53 2014
From: k_armstrong1 at bigpond.com (k_armstrong1 at bigpond.com)
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2014 14:48:53 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Howard terrier engine
In-Reply-To: <88CCEF739B7C4010B10B81F6C59C68BC@JBCooper>
References: <88CCEF739B7C4010B10B81F6C59C68BC@JBCooper>
Message-ID: <85719F630A5542FCB29F5BCFF1D03451@userPC>

Hi John, I found out they did use Kohler engines in latter models 
I found the info from Howard web page.
mine is a model L 

regards
Kevin Armstrong


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From: John & Beryl Cooper 
Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2014 6:37 PM 
To: 'The SEL email discussion list' 
Subject: Re: [SEL] Howard terrier engine 

HI kevin,
I have an old Terrier in the shed,motor still goes,I think it is a Kohler.
Regards,
John Cooper Bega N.S.W. 2550.

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Subject: [SEL] Howard terrier engine


I have a Howard terrier rotary hoe model l.02 serial number 16688 and it
needs a conrod, any one know who made this engine

regards

kevin armstrong

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From k_armstrong1 at bigpond.com  Sat Dec 20 23:18:37 2014
From: k_armstrong1 at bigpond.com (k_armstrong1 at bigpond.com)
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2014 15:18:37 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Hercules cylinder/ barrel
Message-ID: <82F1D8B657C942F8B8E5D7A1A809F4A9@userPC>

Hello all, I am in need of a cylinder / barrel for my Hercules 5 FKW OR 6 HP XK engine these where sold as Emu and other names in Australia.
The cylinder I have is completely rusted away

hoping there?s some around

regards

Kevin Armstrong
Perth WA

From cooperjb at aapt.net.au  Sun Dec 21 14:08:37 2014
From: cooperjb at aapt.net.au (John & Beryl Cooper)
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 09:08:37 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Howard terrier engine
In-Reply-To: <85719F630A5542FCB29F5BCFF1D03451@userPC>
Message-ID: <6FA65F27995A48C2A05C4725BF6BDA48@JBCooper>

Hi Kevin,
Checked out my old Terrier, it is a model L serial No. 20104.
No indication of the engine make but it still turns over but has a tight
spot, possibly a stuck valve.
Regards,
John Cooper.

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k_armstrong1 at bigpond.com
Sent: Sunday, 21 December 2014 5:49 PM
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Subject: Re: [SEL] Howard terrier engine


Hi John, I found out they did use Kohler engines in latter models 
I found the info from Howard web page.
mine is a model L 

regards
Kevin Armstrong


-----Original Message----- 
From: John & Beryl Cooper 
Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2014 6:37 PM 
To: 'The SEL email discussion list' 
Subject: Re: [SEL] Howard terrier engine 

HI kevin,
I have an old Terrier in the shed,motor still goes,I think it is a Kohler.
Regards, John Cooper Bega N.S.W. 2550.

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I have a Howard terrier rotary hoe model l.02 serial number 16688 and it
needs a conrod, any one know who made this engine

regards

kevin armstrong

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From BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com  Sun Dec 21 16:16:46 2014
From: BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com (BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2014 19:16:46 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Howard terrier engine
Message-ID: <5d365.380e6633.41c8bcf1@aol.com>

John 
 
Can you send a photo
 
Kevin K 
 
 
In a message dated 12/21/2014 5:13:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
cooperjb at aapt.net.au writes:

Hi  Kevin,
Checked out my old Terrier, it is a model L serial No. 20104.
No  indication of the engine make but it still turns over but has a tight
spot,  possibly a stuck valve.
Regards,
John Cooper.

-----Original  Message-----
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k_armstrong1 at bigpond.com
Sent: Sunday, 21 December 2014  5:49 PM
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Subject: Re: [SEL] Howard  terrier engine


Hi John, I found out they did use Kohler engines in  latter models 
I found the info from Howard web page.
mine is a model L  

regards
Kevin Armstrong


-----Original Message-----  
From: John & Beryl Cooper 
Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2014 6:37  PM 
To: 'The SEL email discussion list' 
Subject: Re: [SEL] Howard  terrier engine 

HI kevin,
I have an old Terrier in the shed,motor  still goes,I think it is a Kohler.
Regards, John Cooper Bega N.S.W.  2550.

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I have a Howard terrier rotary hoe model l.02  serial number 16688 and it
needs a conrod, any one know who made this  engine

regards

kevin  armstrong

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From asouth42 at embarqmail.com  Wed Dec 31 07:25:16 2014
From: asouth42 at embarqmail.com (Arthur Southwell)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 10:25:16 -0500
Subject: [SEL] O.T. 2014
Message-ID: <A0E86DF04324454BB10B0C8702E35573@Arthur3>

HAPPY NEW YEAR! 
2014 is almost a thing of the past!

Arthur Southwell
Arcadia, Florida, USA

From jbcast at charter.net  Wed Dec 31 10:47:21 2014
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 13:47:21 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] O.T. 2014
Message-ID: <5a4f1ddc.fecf7.14aa1ac7408.Webtop.49@charter.net>


Thanks Arthur, same from here, might get to see you this year.
J.B.

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> HAPPY NEW YEAR! 2014 is almost a thing of the past!
>
> Arthur Southwell
> Arcadia, Florida, USA
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