[SEL] Economy Antique Engine
Scott Richards
scottandsusan.richards at gmail.com
Fri Aug 15 13:44:04 PDT 2014
Mike,
Thanks, I will do that. I do enjoy the stack music. J
The parts are on their way.
Scott
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On Aug 15, 2014, at 2:47 PM, Scott Richards <
<mailto:scottandsusan.richards at gmail.com> scottandsusan.richards at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Thanks. I thought that might be what it was (wrist pin). Do I need to
> remove the head cover to remove the piston, or can I remove it from
> the crank end by removing the governor first? I didn't want to
> "disturb" the head gasket if not necessary, but then maybe I should look
at the valve seats anyway.
I'm in the "if it ain't broke don't fix it" camp so I wouldn't pull the head
if it's not necessary. Spinning it over without a functional ignition should
give you an idea if the valves are leaky. If not, leave the head alone. if
they are pull it, reseat the valves, cut a new head gasket, put it back
together and you're on your way. As for taking a look at and/or replacing
the wrist pin, it's easy to unscrew the governor from it's shaft and pull
the piston out of the back of the cylinder (this is the way that I would do
it regardless of what you do with the head). If the wrist pin and rod
bushing is worn, replace them, clean out any sludge in the cylinder, put her
back together, fire her up and have a cold one while you enjoy the stack
music! :-)
Have fun,
Mike
>
>
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> Tucker
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> On Aug 15, 2014, at 12:03 PM, Scott Richards
> < <mailto:scottandsusan.richards at gmail.com>
scottandsusan.richards at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Thank you for the information and parts lead. I did remove two of the
>> shims on the connecting rod, but now will research the "gudgeon" pin
> further.
>
> aka, the wrist pin. the 3/4"-ish rod that connects the connecting rod
> to the piston. It doesn't get as much oil as it should so it and the
> bushing are notorious places for wear and subsequently engine "knock."
>
> Mike
>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: <mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com>
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>> [ <mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com>
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>> Tucker
>> Sent: Friday, August 15, 2014 6:54 AM
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>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Antique Engine
>>
>> Scott,
>>
>> Congrats on your first engine and getting it running! Keith Kinney
>> will know better than I (he's at the Badger Steam and Gas Show right
>> now and then will be going on to the Portland show so he may be tough
>> to contact right now) but if you go to
>> <http://starboltenginesupplies.com> http://starboltenginesupplies.com
and then open his catalog pdf you
>> can find the main and crank bearings for your Economy on page 8 (item
>> 210 A1, 210 A2 or 210 A3). You can call and talk to Bill at Starbolt
>> to make sure that these will indeed fit your engine. Also talk to
>> Bill about a new gudgeon pin for the piston and bearing for the crank
>> as those
> are common sources of engine knock.
>>
>> Hope this helps,
>> Mike
>>
>> On Aug 14, 2014, at 8:52 PM, Scott Richards
>> < <mailto:scottandsusan.richards at gmail.com>
scottandsusan.richards at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I recently (three days ago) purchased an 1-1/2 HP Economy (Hercules)
>>> Model E engine with Serial No. 71260 (1914 or 1915 year of
>>> manufacture) that had not been run for six or seven years. This is
>>> my first antique engine and first exposure to antique engines in
general.
>>> After cleaning up the engine (mostly
>>> exterior) I was able to get the engine running after finding the
>>> Instruction Book for the Model E engine on the Hercules website.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> When I first ran the engine, I heard a knocking noise from the
>>> crankshaft area. I felt the bearings at the crankshaft end of the
>>> connecting rod and it felt loose. I removed the two thinnest steel
>>> liner strips on each side of the bearing and put the bearing back
>>> together and ran the engine. The noise was still there so I assumed
>>> it
>> must be coming from the crank shaft bearing.
>>> I removed the crank shaft bearings and found that one half of each
>>> bearing on each side was broken and in pieces. I understand that
>>> these bearings are "made of special die cast babbitt." My question
>>> is where I can obtain some replacement bearings. One of the bearing
>>> halves that was not broken had a crack in it, so I probably need at
>>> least 3
>> half-bearings.
>>>
>>> Also, I am not sure if I have the battery/coil properly hooked up. I
>>> ran a wire from the battery to the + side of the coil and then a
>>> wire from the - side of the coil to the igniter. I then ran a wire
>>> from the ground post on the engine (next to the igniter) to the
>>> negative terminal of the battery. It seemed to work, but I was not
>>> sure if this wiring scheme was providing the spark advantage of the coil
or not.
>>> The engine requires considerable cranking in order to get it
>>> started, but
>> that could be for other reasons.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In checking to see if the igniter was producing a spark when hooked
>>> up just to the battery by breaking the points contact, I may have
>>> pitted the
>> points.
>>> Can I just file down the contact points to see if that helps with
>>> the
> hard
>>> starting?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sorry for the "newbie" type questions, but any help would be
appreciated.
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Scott Richards
>>>
>>> 1700 Spring Grove Road
>>>
>>> Hollister, CA 95023
>>>
>>> 559.901.1664 (Susan's cell phone)
>>>
>>> 559.647.9892 (Scott's cell phone)
>>>
>>> <mailto:scottandsusan.richards at gmail.com>
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>>>
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