From cgandree at mchsi.com Fri Aug 1 04:30:11 2014 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 06:30:11 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [SEL] JD model E lost its spark Message-ID: <693235966.12584871406892611761.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11> Hey guys last fall at a small one day show I was attempting to grind corn and while attaching the belt from my grinder to my John Deere 1 1/2hp E had the belt catch and pull the grinder right into my JD causing a a big tangle in the belt and damaging my grinder hopper as well as twisting the belt up and flipping the engine over........very dumb not fastening the two down and way too light an engine. Any way now I am not able to even start the JD. Left it sit over the winter tried to start her the other day but no go. Drained the old gas out and removed the check valve and cleaned it. I am not sure how to test the low tension mag but read in the JD inst book that you disconnect your mag wire and touch it to a bright spot on you ignitor spring while cranking engine over. Did that and had no spark. Any one ever have this happen and what is the fix???? I hate the idea of taking the mag off due to the time consuming work of remaking gaskets and getting an oil tight seal, etc. This engine has always been an easy starter until now. Any and all suggestions would be appreciated. Curt Andree From rob at rustyiron.com Fri Aug 1 05:32:33 2014 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 05:32:33 -0700 Subject: [SEL] New Personal Best - McMaster-Carr Order In-Reply-To: References: <1vtngyqu2ipe9ofduwav0it7.1406685917150@email.android.com> Message-ID: > On Jul 30, 2014, at 3:00 AM, Leroy Clark <1oldengin at gmail.com> wrote: > > Rob, Portland bound this year? Nah, staying in the west for the summer. From dtallman at accnorwalk.com Fri Aug 1 05:50:03 2014 From: dtallman at accnorwalk.com (Doug Tallman) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2014 08:50:03 -0400 Subject: [SEL] JD model E lost its spark In-Reply-To: <693235966.12584871406892611761.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11> References: <693235966.12584871406892611761.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11> Message-ID: <53DB8CFB.6060500@accnorwalk.com> Curt, unhook the mag wire and ground it. rig up a battery and coil to the igniter and see if it will start. that will eliminate everything but the mag. Can you take the pickup brush out of the mag without removing it? Doug T cgandree at mchsi.com wrote: > Hey guys last fall at a small one day show I was attempting to grind corn and while attaching the belt from my grinder to my > John Deere 1 1/2hp E had the belt catch and pull the grinder right into my JD causing a a big tangle in the belt and damaging my grinder hopper as well as twisting the belt up and flipping the engine over........very dumb not fastening the two down and way too light an engine. Any way now I am not able to even start the JD. Left it sit over the winter tried to start her the other day but no go. Drained the old gas out and removed the check valve and cleaned it. I am not sure how to test the low tension mag but read in the JD inst book that you disconnect your mag wire and touch it to a bright spot on you ignitor spring while cranking engine over. Did that and had no spark. > Any one ever have this happen and what is the fix???? I hate the idea of taking the mag off due to the time consuming work of remaking gaskets and getting an oil tight seal, etc. This engine has always been an easy starter until now. > > Any and all suggestions would be appreciated. > Curt Andree > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From bigtime64 at hotmail.com Fri Aug 1 12:53:11 2014 From: bigtime64 at hotmail.com (Ed Herreid) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 19:53:11 +0000 Subject: [SEL] JD model E lost its spark In-Reply-To: <693235966.12584871406892611761.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11> References: <693235966.12584871406892611761.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11> Message-ID: My JD will sometimes get weak spark. Remove the cap that holds the brush on the commutator in the mag. Hold a small piece of the paper shop towel or red shop towel on the commutator ( a pencil eraser works good for this) while spinning it over and clean off any oil or build up. Also clean off the brush if it is polished on the end. An emory board or piece of sandpaper will clean it up nice. Then spin it over and hold the wire on a bright piece of metal. You should see sparking. Ed Herreid > Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 06:30:11 -0500 > From: cgandree at mchsi.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] JD model E lost its spark > > Hey guys last fall at a small one day show I was attempting to grind corn and while attaching the belt from my grinder to my > John Deere 1 1/2hp E had the belt catch and pull the grinder right into my JD causing a a big tangle in the belt and damaging my grinder hopper as well as twisting the belt up and flipping the engine over........very dumb not fastening the two down and way too light an engine. Any way now I am not able to even start the JD. Left it sit over the winter tried to start her the other day but no go. Drained the old gas out and removed the check valve and cleaned it. I am not sure how to test the low tension mag but read in the JD inst book that you disconnect your mag wire and touch it to a bright spot on you ignitor spring while cranking engine over. Did that and had no spark. > Any one ever have this happen and what is the fix???? I hate the idea of taking the mag off due to the time consuming work of remaking gaskets and getting an oil tight seal, etc. This engine has always been an easy starter until now. > > Any and all suggestions would be appreciated. > Curt Andree > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From cgandree at mchsi.com Sat Aug 2 03:49:53 2014 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2014 05:49:53 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [SEL] JD model E lost its spark In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1430891096.12693221406976593984.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11> Ed, I did remove the commutator and clean the brush with emory paper but did not clean the commutator so will try that out at the show grounds later today. Thanks for the help tip. Curt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Herreid" To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Sent: Friday, August 1, 2014 2:53:11 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: [SEL] JD model E lost its spark My JD will sometimes get weak spark. Remove the cap that holds the brush on the commutator in the mag. Hold a small piece of the paper shop towel or red shop towel on the commutator ( a pencil eraser works good for this) while spinning it over and clean off any oil or build up. Also clean off the brush if it is polished on the end. An emory board or piece of sandpaper will clean it up nice. Then spin it over and hold the wire on a bright piece of metal. You should see sparking. Ed Herreid > Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 06:30:11 -0500 > From: cgandree at mchsi.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] JD model E lost its spark > > Hey guys last fall at a small one day show I was attempting to grind corn and while attaching the belt from my grinder to my > John Deere 1 1/2hp E had the belt catch and pull the grinder right into my JD causing a a big tangle in the belt and damaging my grinder hopper as well as twisting the belt up and flipping the engine over........very dumb not fastening the two down and way too light an engine. Any way now I am not able to even start the JD. Left it sit over the winter tried to start her the other day but no go. Drained the old gas out and removed the check valve and cleaned it. I am not sure how to test the low tension mag but read in the JD inst book that you disconnect your mag wire and touch it to a bright spot on you ignitor spring while cranking engine over. Did that and had no spark. > Any one ever have this happen and what is the fix???? I hate the idea of taking the mag off due to the time consuming work of remaking gaskets and getting an oil tight seal, etc. This engine has always been an easy starter until now. > > Any and all suggestions would be appreciated. > Curt Andree > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From cgandree at mchsi.com Sat Aug 2 03:51:51 2014 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2014 05:51:51 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [SEL] JD model E lost its spark In-Reply-To: <53DB8CFB.6060500@accnorwalk.com> Message-ID: <1697863818.12693291406976711555.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11> Hi Doug, I will rig a battery and coil later this am at the show grounds to see if it will run plus responded to Ed's suggestion to clean the commutator. Thanks, Curt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Tallman" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, August 1, 2014 7:50:03 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: [SEL] JD model E lost its spark Curt, unhook the mag wire and ground it. rig up a battery and coil to the igniter and see if it will start. that will eliminate everything but the mag. Can you take the pickup brush out of the mag without removing it? Doug T cgandree at mchsi.com wrote: > Hey guys last fall at a small one day show I was attempting to grind corn and while attaching the belt from my grinder to my > John Deere 1 1/2hp E had the belt catch and pull the grinder right into my JD causing a a big tangle in the belt and damaging my grinder hopper as well as twisting the belt up and flipping the engine over........very dumb not fastening the two down and way too light an engine. Any way now I am not able to even start the JD. Left it sit over the winter tried to start her the other day but no go. Drained the old gas out and removed the check valve and cleaned it. I am not sure how to test the low tension mag but read in the JD inst book that you disconnect your mag wire and touch it to a bright spot on you ignitor spring while cranking engine over. Did that and had no spark. > Any one ever have this happen and what is the fix???? I hate the idea of taking the mag off due to the time consuming work of remaking gaskets and getting an oil tight seal, etc. This engine has always been an easy starter until now. > > Any and all suggestions would be appreciated. > Curt Andree > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From steve_mechanic at hotmail.com Sat Aug 2 05:15:17 2014 From: steve_mechanic at hotmail.com (steve mechanic) Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2014 12:15:17 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Aus guys... Clarendon rally in September In-Reply-To: <1430891096.12693221406976593984.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11> References: , <1430891096.12693221406976593984.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11> Message-ID: Hey guys, Its been a looong time since I've posted... long time lurker due to job commitments.. Is anyone heading to the rally at Clarendon in September? I've just done the dummy run from Adelaide to Mildura in the '63 Dodge Phoenix (Polara across the pond I think) and all is good.. hope to meet up with some of you guys Cheers Steve From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Sat Aug 2 05:45:26 2014 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2014 22:45:26 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Aus guys... Clarendon rally in September In-Reply-To: References: <1430891096.12693221406976593984.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11> Message-ID: Hi Steve, See you there. It will be a BIG one this year with a lot of exhibits attending. There will also be a steam train running on the nearby suburban branch line. Lots of info at: http://www.sydneyantiquemachineryclub.com/samc-flyer-rally-2014.html I have not decided which engine (or engines) I am taking as yet. The feature is English engines so I might take my big R&V or early Austral just to add some variety ;) Patrick Patrick M Livingstone 0418 692013 Earlwood NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html On 2/08/14 10:15 PM, "steve mechanic" wrote: >Hey guys, >Its been a looong time since I've posted... long time lurker due to job >commitments.. >Is anyone heading to the rally at Clarendon in September? I've just done >the dummy run from Adelaide to Mildura in the '63 Dodge Phoenix (Polara >across the pond I think) and all is good.. hope to meet up with some of >you guys > >Cheers Steve > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From steve_mechanic at hotmail.com Sat Aug 2 06:00:43 2014 From: steve_mechanic at hotmail.com (steve mechanic) Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2014 13:00:43 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Aus guys... Clarendon rally in September In-Reply-To: References: , <1430891096.12693221406976593984.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>, , Message-ID: Hey Patrick, I won't have any engines but hopefully will have a space to park the dodge!... Budgetting $300 in fuel one way but hey...Ya gotta do it! hehe > Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2014 22:45:26 +1000 > From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] Aus guys... Clarendon rally in September > > Hi Steve, > See you there. It will be a BIG one this year with a lot of exhibits > attending. There will also be a steam train running on the nearby suburban > branch line. Lots of info at: > http://www.sydneyantiquemachineryclub.com/samc-flyer-rally-2014.html > > I have not decided which engine (or engines) I am taking as yet. The > feature is English engines so I might take my big R&V or early Austral > just to add some variety ;) > Patrick > > Patrick M Livingstone > 0418 692013 > Earlwood NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > > > > On 2/08/14 10:15 PM, "steve mechanic" wrote: > > >Hey guys, > >Its been a looong time since I've posted... long time lurker due to job > >commitments.. > >Is anyone heading to the rally at Clarendon in September? I've just done > >the dummy run from Adelaide to Mildura in the '63 Dodge Phoenix (Polara > >across the pond I think) and all is good.. hope to meet up with some of > >you guys > > > >Cheers Steve > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ozengine at iinet.net.au Sat Aug 2 14:46:19 2014 From: ozengine at iinet.net.au (Kerry) Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2014 07:46:19 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Aus guys... Clarendon rally in September In-Reply-To: References: , <1430891096.12693221406976593984.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>, , Message-ID: <53DD5C2B.5080801@iinet.net.au> G'Day Steve They will have plenty of room for the Dodge, and look forward to meeting up with you, I will have a Tangye engine and Register table please look me up. Are you camping on site > I have not decided which engine (or engines) I am taking as yet. The feature is English engines so I might take my big R&V or early Austral just to add some variety ;) Patrick Patrick M Livingstone now Patrick that's because you have not any of the REFINED QUALITY English engines to bring, take the Austral and leave the Yank stuff at home, 8-)) 8-)) Good to see a post on here Kerry -- Kerry Morris Tangye Engine Registrar 0400421133 Web Page. www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/ From rotigel at me.com Sun Aug 3 16:09:07 2014 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2014 19:09:07 -0400 Subject: [SEL] =?windows-1252?q?Not_OT=85=85=2E=2E?= Message-ID: ??.because it reminds me of so many of my FATG friends! See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOgd9hitEAE From ozengine at iinet.net.au Sun Aug 3 20:10:41 2014 From: ozengine at iinet.net.au (Kerry) Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2014 13:10:41 +1000 Subject: [SEL] =?windows-1252?q?Not_OT=85=85=2E=2E?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <53DEF9B1.60009@iinet.net.au> Not only FATG there is a few more I know of Loved it, thanks Dave Kerry On 4/08/2014 9:09 AM, David Rotigel wrote: > ??.because it reminds me of so many of my FATG friends! See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOgd9hitEAE > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- Kerry Morris Tangye Engine Registrar 0400421133 Web Page. www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/ From wboldrusty70 at gmail.com Sun Aug 3 20:45:51 2014 From: wboldrusty70 at gmail.com (William Burg) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2014 13:45:51 +1000 Subject: [SEL] =?utf-8?b?Tm90IE9U4oCm4oCmLi4=?= In-Reply-To: <53DEF9B1.60009@iinet.net.au> References: <53DEF9B1.60009@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: Kerry, was that you singing that song??? On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 1:10 PM, Kerry wrote: > Not only FATG there is a few more I know of > Loved it, thanks Dave > > > Kerry > > > On 4/08/2014 9:09 AM, David Rotigel wrote: > > ??.because it reminds me of so many of my FATG friends! See: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOgd9hitEAE > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- > Kerry Morris > Tangye Engine Registrar > 0400421133 > Web Page. www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From plowe at exemail.com.au Mon Aug 4 02:26:04 2014 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2014 19:26:04 +1000 Subject: [SEL] valve grinder help Message-ID: Does anyone in Oz have an instruction manual for a Warren & Brown Model 232 valve resurfacer/grinder Peter From wboldrusty70 at gmail.com Mon Aug 4 02:47:01 2014 From: wboldrusty70 at gmail.com (William Burg) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2014 19:47:01 +1000 Subject: [SEL] valve grinder help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Peter, I don't have a manual, but I do have a complete working unit. I can take some photos if you wish. Bill On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 7:26 PM, Peter Lowe wrote: > Does anyone in Oz have an instruction manual for a Warren & Brown Model > 232 valve resurfacer/grinder > > Peter > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From plowe at exemail.com.au Mon Aug 4 03:32:27 2014 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2014 20:32:27 +1000 Subject: [SEL] valve grinder help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9C09522102AB44D097E7FBFA13DE00CB@PeterPC> Yes please Bill, from all over. My brother just acquired one in many bits. Peter Peter, I don't have a manual, but I do have a complete working unit. I can take some photos if you wish. Bill On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 7:26 PM, Peter Lowe wrote: > Does anyone in Oz have an instruction manual for a Warren & Brown Model > 232 valve resurfacer/grinder > > Peter > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From swebre at hotmail.com Mon Aug 4 09:18:14 2014 From: swebre at hotmail.com (Steve Webre) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2014 16:18:14 +0000 Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 125, Issue 4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Humph. Hits a little close to home for most of us! -Steve- --Forwarded Message Attachment-- From: rotigel at me.com To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2014 19:09:07 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Not OT??.. ??.because it reminds me of so many of my FATG friends! See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOgd9hitEAE From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Mon Aug 4 19:38:30 2014 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2014 12:38:30 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Aus guys... Clarendon rally in September In-Reply-To: <53DD5C2B.5080801@iinet.net.au> References: <1430891096.12693221406976593984.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11> <53DD5C2B.5080801@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: Hi Steve, As Kerry said, there is plenty of space for you to park the Dodge and to camp as well. I am going to drag the old Austral out (as it is a copy of a Blackstone so it is close to an English engine). If I get bitten by the keen bug I might bring the big R&V out as well. I have never had my two largest engines out together before. Patrick Patrick M Livingstone 0418 692013 Earlwood NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html On 3/08/14 7:46 AM, "Kerry" wrote: >G'Day Steve >They will have plenty of room for the Dodge, and look forward to meeting >up with you, I will have a Tangye engine and Register table please look >me up. >Are you camping on site > > > I have not decided which engine (or engines) I am taking as yet. The >feature is English engines so I might take my big R&V or early Austral >just to add some variety ;) Patrick Patrick M Livingstone > >now Patrick that's because you have not any of the REFINED QUALITY >English engines to bring, take the Austral and leave the Yank stuff at >home, 8-)) 8-)) > >Good to see a post on here > >Kerry > >-- >Kerry Morris >Tangye Engine Registrar >0400421133 >Web Page. www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/ > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From regingold3 at gmail.com Mon Aug 4 23:28:54 2014 From: regingold3 at gmail.com (Reg Ingold) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2014 16:28:54 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Aus guys... Clarendon rally in September In-Reply-To: References: <1430891096.12693221406976593984.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11> <53DD5C2B.5080801@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: Ya reckon I should show up with some models? On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 12:38 PM, Patrick Livingstone < patrick.livingstone at gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Steve, > As Kerry said, there is plenty of space for you to park the Dodge and to > camp as well. > I am going to drag the old Austral out (as it is a copy of a Blackstone so > it is close to an English engine). If I get bitten by the keen bug I might > bring the big R&V out as well. I have never had my two largest engines out > together before. > Patrick > > Patrick M Livingstone > 0418 692013 > Earlwood NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > > > > On 3/08/14 7:46 AM, "Kerry" wrote: > > >G'Day Steve > >They will have plenty of room for the Dodge, and look forward to meeting > >up with you, I will have a Tangye engine and Register table please look > >me up. > >Are you camping on site > > > > > I have not decided which engine (or engines) I am taking as yet. The > >feature is English engines so I might take my big R&V or early Austral > >just to add some variety ;) Patrick Patrick M Livingstone > > > >now Patrick that's because you have not any of the REFINED QUALITY > >English engines to bring, take the Austral and leave the Yank stuff at > >home, 8-)) 8-)) > > > >Good to see a post on here > > > >Kerry > > > >-- > >Kerry Morris > >Tangye Engine Registrar > >0400421133 > >Web Page. www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/ > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -- Reg & Marg Ingold Newcastle.NSW. Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From ozengine at iinet.net.au Mon Aug 4 23:52:13 2014 From: ozengine at iinet.net.au (Kerry) Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2014 16:52:13 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Aus guys... Clarendon rally in September In-Reply-To: References: <1430891096.12693221406976593984.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11> <53DD5C2B.5080801@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <53E07F1D.5010309@iinet.net.au> Yep Kerry On 5/08/2014 4:28 PM, Reg Ingold wrote: > Ya reckon I should show up with some models? > > > > > -- Kerry Morris Tangye Engine Registrar 0400421133 Web Page. www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/ From bst41474 at bigpond.net.au Tue Aug 5 00:36:44 2014 From: bst41474 at bigpond.net.au (Barry & Tanya Stait) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2014 17:36:44 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Aus guys... Clarendon rally in September In-Reply-To: References: <1430891096.12693221406976593984.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11><53DD5C2B.5080801@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <3DC59C263D77427A973C16616FD49156@Stait> As long as you have some dirty jokes for us Reg. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Reg Ingold" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2014 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Aus guys... Clarendon rally in September > Ya reckon I should show up with some models? > > > On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 12:38 PM, Patrick Livingstone < > patrick.livingstone at gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi Steve, >> As Kerry said, there is plenty of space for you to park the Dodge and to >> camp as well. >> I am going to drag the old Austral out (as it is a copy of a Blackstone >> so >> it is close to an English engine). If I get bitten by the keen bug I >> might >> bring the big R&V out as well. I have never had my two largest engines >> out >> together before. >> Patrick >> >> Patrick M Livingstone >> 0418 692013 >> Earlwood NSW >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >> >> >> >> >> >> On 3/08/14 7:46 AM, "Kerry" wrote: >> >> >G'Day Steve >> >They will have plenty of room for the Dodge, and look forward to meeting >> >up with you, I will have a Tangye engine and Register table please look >> >me up. >> >Are you camping on site >> > >> > > I have not decided which engine (or engines) I am taking as yet. The >> >feature is English engines so I might take my big R&V or early Austral >> >just to add some variety ;) Patrick Patrick M Livingstone >> > >> >now Patrick that's because you have not any of the REFINED QUALITY >> >English engines to bring, take the Austral and leave the Yank stuff at >> >home, 8-)) 8-)) >> > >> >Good to see a post on here >> > >> >Kerry >> > >> >-- >> >Kerry Morris >> >Tangye Engine Registrar >> >0400421133 >> >Web Page. www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/ >> > >> >_______________________________________________ >> >SEL mailing list >> >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > > -- > Reg & Marg Ingold > Newcastle.NSW. Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rob at rustyiron.com Tue Aug 5 14:35:13 2014 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2014 14:35:13 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Aus guys... Clarendon rally in September In-Reply-To: References: <1430891096.12693221406976593984.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11> <53DD5C2B.5080801@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <8CC85B22-BEC4-4922-B990-5AD834BC65C1@rustyiron.com> > On Aug 4, 2014, at 11:28 PM, Reg Ingold wrote: > > Ya reckon I should show up with some models? Yes. With big titties and skimpy outfits. From regingold3 at gmail.com Tue Aug 5 14:45:47 2014 From: regingold3 at gmail.com (Reg Ingold) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2014 07:45:47 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Aus guys... Clarendon rally in September In-Reply-To: <3DC59C263D77427A973C16616FD49156@Stait> References: <1430891096.12693221406976593984.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11> <53DD5C2B.5080801@iinet.net.au> <3DC59C263D77427A973C16616FD49156@Stait> Message-ID: Do I have to pre register? On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Barry & Tanya Stait wrote: > As long as you have some dirty jokes for us Reg. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Reg Ingold" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2014 4:28 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Aus guys... Clarendon rally in September > > > > Ya reckon I should show up with some models? > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 12:38 PM, Patrick Livingstone < > > patrick.livingstone at gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> Hi Steve, > >> As Kerry said, there is plenty of space for you to park the Dodge and to > >> camp as well. > >> I am going to drag the old Austral out (as it is a copy of a Blackstone > >> so > >> it is close to an English engine). If I get bitten by the keen bug I > >> might > >> bring the big R&V out as well. I have never had my two largest engines > >> out > >> together before. > >> Patrick > >> > >> Patrick M Livingstone > >> 0418 692013 > >> Earlwood NSW > >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On 3/08/14 7:46 AM, "Kerry" wrote: > >> > >> >G'Day Steve > >> >They will have plenty of room for the Dodge, and look forward to > meeting > >> >up with you, I will have a Tangye engine and Register table please look > >> >me up. > >> >Are you camping on site > >> > > >> > > I have not decided which engine (or engines) I am taking as yet. > The > >> >feature is English engines so I might take my big R&V or early Austral > >> >just to add some variety ;) Patrick Patrick M Livingstone > >> > > >> >now Patrick that's because you have not any of the REFINED QUALITY > >> >English engines to bring, take the Austral and leave the Yank stuff at > >> >home, 8-)) 8-)) > >> > > >> >Good to see a post on here > >> > > >> >Kerry > >> > > >> >-- > >> >Kerry Morris > >> >Tangye Engine Registrar > >> >0400421133 > >> >Web Page. www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/ > >> > > >> >_______________________________________________ > >> >SEL mailing list > >> >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Reg & Marg Ingold > > Newcastle.NSW. Australia. > > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -- Reg & Marg Ingold Newcastle.NSW. Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From rdhaskell at juno.com Wed Aug 6 12:41:20 2014 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2014 12:41:20 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Propane run time Message-ID: Hi all. I am about to get my 12 hp Reid running, I have a choice of three propane tanks. If the engine is just running slowly on the hot tube, how many gallons of propane would I burn in 6 hours? Thanks. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell ____________________________________________________________ The End of the "Made-In-China" Era The impossible (but real) technology that could make you impossibly rich. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/53e285173da0651703bast03vuc From rob at rustyiron.com Wed Aug 6 13:43:50 2014 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2014 13:43:50 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Propane run time In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3FF6C86A-E524-44D2-92BD-30C7E4CF679A@rustyiron.com> > On Aug 6, 2014, at 12:41 PM, rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: > > Hi all. > I am about to get my 12 hp Reid running, I have a choice of three propane > tanks. If the engine is just running slowly on the hot tube, how many > gallons of propane would I burn in 6 hours? > Thanks. > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California USA > http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell Hey, Ron. Our 25 hp Commercial will run all day on a barbecue sized tank. It?s high tension ignition, though, so you need to add an extra pound or two for that. Rob From rdhaskell at juno.com Wed Aug 6 13:55:24 2014 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2014 13:55:24 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Propane run time Message-ID: Thanks Rob Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell > Hey, Ron. > Our 25 hp Commercial will run all day on a barbecue sized tank. > It?s high tension ignition, though, so you need to add an extra > pound or two for that. > > Rob > ____________________________________________________________ The #1 Worst Carb Ever? Click to Learn #1 Carb that Kills Your Blood Sugar (Don't Eat This!) http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/53e2967332651167358a0st02vuc From rotigel at me.com Wed Aug 6 14:20:58 2014 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2014 17:20:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Propane run time In-Reply-To: <3FF6C86A-E524-44D2-92BD-30C7E4CF679A@rustyiron.com> References: <3FF6C86A-E524-44D2-92BD-30C7E4CF679A@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <001C8543-DCFA-4535-B864-E1FA13BFC76F@me.com> Are you using a demand regulator, Rob Dave On Aug 6, 2014, at 4:43 PM, Rob Skinner wrote: > > > Hey, Ron. > Our 25 hp Commercial will run all day on a barbecue sized tank. It?s high tension ignition, though, so you need to add an extra pound or two for that. > > Rob From rdhaskell at juno.com Wed Aug 6 14:37:00 2014 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2014 14:37:00 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Propane run time Message-ID: Not using anything yet Dave. Thought I would set it up like John Burns has setup on his little Reid. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell On Wed, 06 Aug 2014 17:20:58 -0400 David Rotigel writes: > Are you using a demand regulator, Rob > Dave > . ____________________________________________________________ The #1 Worst Carb Ever? Click to Learn #1 Carb that Kills Your Blood Sugar (Don't Eat This!) http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/53e2a003859e920035c7bst01vuc From rob at rustyiron.com Wed Aug 6 14:45:06 2014 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2014 14:45:06 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Propane run time In-Reply-To: <001C8543-DCFA-4535-B864-E1FA13BFC76F@me.com> References: <3FF6C86A-E524-44D2-92BD-30C7E4CF679A@rustyiron.com> <001C8543-DCFA-4535-B864-E1FA13BFC76F@me.com> Message-ID: <976B3349-B9AC-4083-8157-D36BCCB5E3AD@rustyiron.com> > On Aug 6, 2014, at 2:20 PM, David Rotigel wrote: > > Are you using a demand regulator, Rob > Dave No. I use an acetylene regulator and squirt the fuel right down the throat of the mixer. From rotigel at me.com Wed Aug 6 17:04:16 2014 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2014 20:04:16 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Propane run time In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2B548B7A-0A6F-4029-9460-FA2345D544EF@me.com> Hi Ron, I know LITTLE or NOTHING about oilfield engines. I do own The Burns prototype (S/N BK1) for the castings he sold for the model. From what I have heard from the OFES, a demand regulator sure saves the gas! I know that Arnie has one on his Halfbreed Bessemer. Dave On Aug 6, 2014, at 5:37 PM, rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: > Not using anything yet Dave. Thought I would set it up like John Burns > has setup on his little Reid. > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California USA > http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell > > On Wed, 06 Aug 2014 17:20:58 -0400 David Rotigel writes: >> Are you using a demand regulator, Rob >> Dave >> > . > > ____________________________________________________________ > The #1 Worst Carb Ever? > Click to Learn #1 Carb that Kills Your Blood Sugar (Don't Eat This!) > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/53e2a003859e920035c7bst01vuc > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rdhaskell at juno.com Wed Aug 6 17:12:02 2014 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2014 17:12:02 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Propane run time Message-ID: Thanks Dave, I will investigate a demand regulator, saving gas sounds good go me. Ron On Wed, 06 Aug 2014 20:04:16 -0400 David Rotigel writes: > Hi Ron, I know LITTLE or NOTHING about oilfield engines. I do own The > Burns prototype (S/N BK1) for the castings he sold for the model. > From what I have heard from the OFES, a demand regulator sure saves > the gas! I know that Arnie has one on his Halfbreed Bessemer. > Dave > ____________________________________________________________ The #1 Worst Carb Ever? Click to Learn #1 Carb that Kills Your Blood Sugar (Don't Eat This!) http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/53e2c45b5d8bd445b25d5st04vuc From bd24tj at gmail.com Wed Aug 6 17:16:09 2014 From: bd24tj at gmail.com (Tom Geier) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2014 20:16:09 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Propane run time In-Reply-To: <2B548B7A-0A6F-4029-9460-FA2345D544EF@me.com> References: <2B548B7A-0A6F-4029-9460-FA2345D544EF@me.com> Message-ID: Depends on what you are running! If you are running an oilfield engine. Why care. Oilfield are normal two cycle. Now if it is a four cycle engine. It now depends on where the gas come in to an intake valve. I have a H.M.Spence. the intake valve has the gas ports in the valve. And stops the gas after it has reached working pressure. On Aug 6, 2014 8:09 PM, "David Rotigel" wrote: > Hi Ron, I know LITTLE or NOTHING about oilfield engines. I do own The > Burns prototype (S/N BK1) for the castings he sold for the model. From what > I have heard from the OFES, a demand regulator sure saves the gas! I know > that Arnie has one on his Halfbreed Bessemer. > Dave > > On Aug 6, 2014, at 5:37 PM, rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: > > > Not using anything yet Dave. Thought I would set it up like John Burns > > has setup on his little Reid. > > > > Ron Haskell > > rdhaskell at juno.com > > Riverside, California USA > > http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell > > > > On Wed, 06 Aug 2014 17:20:58 -0400 David Rotigel > writes: > >> Are you using a demand regulator, Rob > >> Dave > >> > > . > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > The #1 Worst Carb Ever? > > Click to Learn #1 Carb that Kills Your Blood Sugar (Don't Eat > This!) > > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/53e2a003859e920035c7bst01vuc > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at me.com Wed Aug 6 19:14:19 2014 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2014 22:14:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Propane run time In-Reply-To: References: <2B548B7A-0A6F-4029-9460-FA2345D544EF@me.com> Message-ID: Hell Tom, I sure don't care if you don't! Love and kisses! Dave On Aug 6, 2014, at 8:16 PM, Tom Geier wrote: > Depends on what you are running! If you are running an oilfield engine. Why > care. Oilfield are normal two cycle. Now if it is a four cycle engine. It > now depends on where the gas come in to an intake valve. I have a > H.M.Spence. the intake valve has the gas ports in the valve. And stops the > gas after it has reached working pressure. > On Aug 6, 2014 8:09 PM, "David Rotigel" wrote: > >> Hi Ron, I know LITTLE or NOTHING about oilfield engines. I do own The >> Burns prototype (S/N BK1) for the castings he sold for the model. From what >> I have heard from the OFES, a demand regulator sure saves the gas! I know >> that Arnie has one on his Halfbreed Bessemer. >> Dave >> >> On Aug 6, 2014, at 5:37 PM, rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: >> >>> Not using anything yet Dave. Thought I would set it up like John Burns >>> has setup on his little Reid. >>> >>> Ron Haskell >>> rdhaskell at juno.com >>> Riverside, California USA >>> http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell >>> >>> On Wed, 06 Aug 2014 17:20:58 -0400 David Rotigel >> writes: >>>> Are you using a demand regulator, Rob >>>> Dave >>>> >>> . >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> The #1 Worst Carb Ever? >>> Click to Learn #1 Carb that Kills Your Blood Sugar (Don't Eat >> This!) >>> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/53e2a003859e920035c7bst01vuc >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Thu Aug 7 05:36:50 2014 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2014 22:36:50 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Aus guys... Clarendon rally in September In-Reply-To: References: <1430891096.12693221406976593984.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11> <53DD5C2B.5080801@iinet.net.au> <3DC59C263D77427A973C16616FD49156@Stait> Message-ID: You don't have to pre-register but it does help estimate the space we need to reserve for engines. It is easy to do online at: http://www.sydneyantiquemachineryclub.com/on-line-rally-registration-2014.h tml P Patrick M Livingstone 0418 692013 Earlwood NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html On 6/08/14 7:45 AM, "Reg Ingold" wrote: >Do I have to pre register? > > >On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Barry & Tanya Stait >> wrote: > >> As long as you have some dirty jokes for us Reg. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Reg Ingold" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2014 4:28 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Aus guys... Clarendon rally in September >> >> >> > Ya reckon I should show up with some models? >> > >> > >> > On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 12:38 PM, Patrick Livingstone < >> > patrick.livingstone at gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> >> Hi Steve, >> >> As Kerry said, there is plenty of space for you to park the Dodge >>and to >> >> camp as well. >> >> I am going to drag the old Austral out (as it is a copy of a >>Blackstone >> >> so >> >> it is close to an English engine). If I get bitten by the keen bug I >> >> might >> >> bring the big R&V out as well. I have never had my two largest >>engines >> >> out >> >> together before. >> >> Patrick >> >> >> >> Patrick M Livingstone >> >> 0418 692013 >> >> Earlwood NSW >> >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 3/08/14 7:46 AM, "Kerry" wrote: >> >> >> >> >G'Day Steve >> >> >They will have plenty of room for the Dodge, and look forward to >> meeting >> >> >up with you, I will have a Tangye engine and Register table please >>look >> >> >me up. >> >> >Are you camping on site >> >> > >> >> > > I have not decided which engine (or engines) I am taking as yet. >> The >> >> >feature is English engines so I might take my big R&V or early >>Austral >> >> >just to add some variety ;) Patrick Patrick M Livingstone >> >> > >> >> >now Patrick that's because you have not any of the REFINED QUALITY >> >> >English engines to bring, take the Austral and leave the Yank stuff >>at >> >> >home, 8-)) 8-)) >> >> > >> >> >Good to see a post on here >> >> > >> >> >Kerry >> >> > >> >> >-- >> >> >Kerry Morris >> >> >Tangye Engine Registrar >> >> >0400421133 >> >> >Web Page. www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/ >> >> > >> >> >_______________________________________________ >> >> >SEL mailing list >> >> >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >> >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> SEL mailing list >> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Reg & Marg Ingold >> > Newcastle.NSW. Australia. >> > randmingold at hotkey.net.au >> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > >-- >Reg & Marg Ingold >Newcastle.NSW. Australia. >randmingold at hotkey.net.au >http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From brock679 at gmail.com Thu Aug 7 05:58:38 2014 From: brock679 at gmail.com (Brock Summerfield) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2014 22:58:38 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Aus guys... Clarendon rally in September In-Reply-To: References: <1430891096.12693221406976593984.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11> <53DD5C2B.5080801@iinet.net.au> <3DC59C263D77427A973C16616FD49156@Stait> Message-ID: Hope to see you there Reg On Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 10:36 PM, Patrick Livingstone < patrick.livingstone at gmail.com> wrote: > You don't have to pre-register but it does help estimate the space we need > to reserve for engines. It is easy to do online at: > http://www.sydneyantiquemachineryclub.com/on-line-rally-registration-2014.h > tml > P > > Patrick M Livingstone > 0418 692013 > Earlwood NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > > > > On 6/08/14 7:45 AM, "Reg Ingold" wrote: > > >Do I have to pre register? > > > > > >On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Barry & Tanya Stait > > >> wrote: > > > >> As long as you have some dirty jokes for us Reg. > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Reg Ingold" > >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2014 4:28 PM > >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Aus guys... Clarendon rally in September > >> > >> > >> > Ya reckon I should show up with some models? > >> > > >> > > >> > On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 12:38 PM, Patrick Livingstone < > >> > patrick.livingstone at gmail.com> wrote: > >> > > >> >> Hi Steve, > >> >> As Kerry said, there is plenty of space for you to park the Dodge > >>and to > >> >> camp as well. > >> >> I am going to drag the old Austral out (as it is a copy of a > >>Blackstone > >> >> so > >> >> it is close to an English engine). If I get bitten by the keen bug I > >> >> might > >> >> bring the big R&V out as well. I have never had my two largest > >>engines > >> >> out > >> >> together before. > >> >> Patrick > >> >> > >> >> Patrick M Livingstone > >> >> 0418 692013 > >> >> Earlwood NSW > >> >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> On 3/08/14 7:46 AM, "Kerry" wrote: > >> >> > >> >> >G'Day Steve > >> >> >They will have plenty of room for the Dodge, and look forward to > >> meeting > >> >> >up with you, I will have a Tangye engine and Register table please > >>look > >> >> >me up. > >> >> >Are you camping on site > >> >> > > >> >> > > I have not decided which engine (or engines) I am taking as yet. > >> The > >> >> >feature is English engines so I might take my big R&V or early > >>Austral > >> >> >just to add some variety ;) Patrick Patrick M Livingstone > >> >> > > >> >> >now Patrick that's because you have not any of the REFINED QUALITY > >> >> >English engines to bring, take the Austral and leave the Yank stuff > >>at > >> >> >home, 8-)) 8-)) > >> >> > > >> >> >Good to see a post on here > >> >> > > >> >> >Kerry > >> >> > > >> >> >-- > >> >> >Kerry Morris > >> >> >Tangye Engine Registrar > >> >> >0400421133 > >> >> >Web Page. www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/ > >> >> > > >> >> >_______________________________________________ > >> >> >SEL mailing list > >> >> >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> >> >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> SEL mailing list > >> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Reg & Marg Ingold > >> > Newcastle.NSW. Australia. > >> > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > >> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > SEL mailing list > >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > > > > > > > >-- > >Reg & Marg Ingold > >Newcastle.NSW. Australia. > >randmingold at hotkey.net.au > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From frappi at wcoil.com Thu Aug 7 10:56:18 2014 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2014 13:56:18 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Robert Hartman In-Reply-To: References: <2B548B7A-0A6F-4029-9460-FA2345D544EF@me.com> Message-ID: <20140807175611.32B88817C@smtp.wcoil.com> Word has come down that Robert Hartman of Burns & Horner has passed away. His brother Jim asks for prayers for their mother. Mark Shulaw Bluffton, OH. 45817-9601 USA 419.358.5206 From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Sat Aug 9 02:16:13 2014 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2014 19:16:13 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Engines in the 1980s Message-ID: >From over 30 years ago some engines & rallies from the 1980s. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adwsh99VgfA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlBhn44VWQ0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qwrN6PXQtA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSfiSlUbkzk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjMhynh1MtM Enjoy! Patrick Patrick M Livingstone 0418 692013 Earlwood NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From cgandree at mchsi.com Sun Aug 10 04:28:34 2014 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2014 06:28:34 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Uller In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1520209321.14975901407670114086.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11> Hi All Take a look at the link on bottom of this email from a friend who videod me starting and running the Uller at the Freeport show. enjoy, Curt ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Cgandree at aol.com To: cgandree at mchsi.com Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2014 6:22:36 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Fwd: Uller From: fastype77 at yahoo.com To: cgandree at aol.com Sent: 8/4/2014 7:09:48 A.M. Central Daylight Time Subj: Uller Curt, Try forwarding him this link and see how if that works. Hope you enjoyed the video! Barb https://www.dropbox.com/s/nh64mns7maiu0m2/Uller-at-The-Freeport-Show.mp4 From oldengines at yahoo.com Sun Aug 10 08:14:13 2014 From: oldengines at yahoo.com (Keith Munter) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2014 08:14:13 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Uller In-Reply-To: <1520209321.14975901407670114086.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11> References: <1520209321.14975901407670114086.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11> Message-ID: <1407683653.32950.YahooMailNeo@web163606.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> ________________________________ ??Curt, sorry I missed you at the Freeport show. I was kind of busy with son and grandson running nine engines at the same time. Maybe you came by and saw the Clogging Cousins dance? Keith Munter Munter Family Engines From rotigel at me.com Sun Aug 10 12:18:03 2014 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2014 15:18:03 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Uller In-Reply-To: <1520209321.14975901407670114086.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11> References: <1520209321.14975901407670114086.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11> Message-ID: <4916982F-6831-492C-B149-77513624CAE9@me.com> That's just a SWEET engine Curt. I take for granted that you will have it at Baraboo. Dave On Aug 10, 2014, at 7:28 AM, cgandree at mchsi.com wrote: > Hi All > Take a look at the link on bottom of this email from a friend who videod me starting and running the Uller at the Freeport show. > enjoy, > Curt > > > > > > ----- Forwarded Message ----- > From: Cgandree at aol.com > To: cgandree at mchsi.com > Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2014 6:22:36 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central > Subject: Fwd: Uller > > > > > > > > > From: fastype77 at yahoo.com > To: cgandree at aol.com > Sent: 8/4/2014 7:09:48 A.M. Central Daylight Time > Subj: Uller > > > > > Curt, > > Try forwarding him this link and see how if that works. > > Hope you enjoyed the video! > > Barb > > https://www.dropbox.com/s/nh64mns7maiu0m2/Uller-at-The-Freeport-Show.mp4 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From cgandree at mchsi.com Mon Aug 11 03:40:43 2014 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 05:40:43 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [SEL] Uller In-Reply-To: <4916982F-6831-492C-B149-77513624CAE9@me.com> Message-ID: <303800242.15045761407753643452.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11> Yup, already loaded on the trailer thanks to my new Superwinch UT 3000 and ready to roll. Drive safe and see you there. Curt ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2014 2:18:03 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: [SEL] Uller That's just a SWEET engine Curt. I take for granted that you will have it at Baraboo. Dave On Aug 10, 2014, at 7:28 AM, cgandree at mchsi.com wrote: > Hi All > Take a look at the link on bottom of this email from a friend who videod me starting and running the Uller at the Freeport show. > enjoy, > Curt > > > > > > ----- Forwarded Message ----- > From: Cgandree at aol.com > To: cgandree at mchsi.com > Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2014 6:22:36 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central > Subject: Fwd: Uller > > > > > > > > > From: fastype77 at yahoo.com > To: cgandree at aol.com > Sent: 8/4/2014 7:09:48 A.M. Central Daylight Time > Subj: Uller > > > > > Curt, > > Try forwarding him this link and see how if that works. > > Hope you enjoyed the video! > > Barb > > https://www.dropbox.com/s/nh64mns7maiu0m2/Uller-at-The-Freeport-Show.mp4 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Aug 13 01:12:40 2014 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 09:12:40 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Ford E450 1999 Message-ID: Can I ask for opinions on this vehicle from the lists membership, please? 1999 Ford E450 Superduty with the V10 Triton engine. 78800 miles Auto box with overdrive LPG converted Four Winds RV with toy garage in the rear, 31ft long. Is the engine/transmission reliable? What about the RV body manufacturer? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/181493745234 Thoughts and opinions would be appreciated. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From regingold3 at gmail.com Wed Aug 13 02:08:03 2014 From: regingold3 at gmail.com (Reg Ingold) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 19:08:03 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Ford E450 1999 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: GOOD QUESTION! I aint got a CLUE on any answer!!! On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 6:12 PM, Listerdiesel wrote: > Can I ask for opinions on this vehicle from the lists membership, please? > > 1999 Ford E450 Superduty with the V10 Triton engine. > > 78800 miles > > Auto box with overdrive > > LPG converted > > Four Winds RV with toy garage in the rear, 31ft long. > > Is the engine/transmission reliable? What about the RV body manufacturer? > > http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/181493745234 > > Thoughts and opinions would be appreciated. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -- Reg & Marg Ingold Newcastle.NSW. Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From rfinksr at verizon.net Wed Aug 13 03:37:15 2014 From: rfinksr at verizon.net (R Fink Sr) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 05:37:15 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [SEL] Ford E450 1999 Message-ID: <9322066.1462521.1407926235571.JavaMail.root@vznit170130> If it is anything like US sold ones the transmission is weakest point. R Fink PA On 08/13/14, Listerdiesel wrote: Can I ask for opinions on this vehicle from the lists membership, please? 1999 Ford E450 Superduty with the V10 Triton engine. 78800 miles Auto box with overdrive LPG converted Four Winds RV with toy garage in the rear, 31ft long. Is the engine/transmission reliable? What about the RV body manufacturer? [1]http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/181493745234 Thoughts and opinions would be appreciated. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: [2]listerdiesel at gmail.com [3]http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel [4]http://stationary-engine.co.uk [5]http://www.oldengine.co.uk _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list [6]SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com [7]http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel References 1. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/181493745234 2. mailto:listerdiesel at gmail.com 3. http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel 4. http://stationary-engine.co.uk/ 5. http://www.oldengine.co.uk/ 6. mailto:SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com 7. http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at me.com Wed Aug 13 05:58:18 2014 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 08:58:18 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Ford E450 1999 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <520E51A2-6375-4069-A0C4-C5088A1C5616@me.com> WHAT? Come on mate, that has never stopped you from giving an opinion before! dave On Aug 13, 2014, at 5:08 AM, Reg Ingold wrote: > GOOD QUESTION! I aint got a CLUE on any answer!!! > > > On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 6:12 PM, Listerdiesel > wrote: > >> Can I ask for opinions on this vehicle from the lists membership, please? >> >> 1999 Ford E450 Superduty with the V10 Triton engine. >> >> 78800 miles >> >> Auto box with overdrive >> >> LPG converted >> >> Four Winds RV with toy garage in the rear, 31ft long. >> >> Is the engine/transmission reliable? What about the RV body manufacturer? >> >> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/181493745234 >> >> Thoughts and opinions would be appreciated. >> >> Peter >> -- >> Peter A Forbes >> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel >> http://stationary-engine.co.uk >> http://www.oldengine.co.uk >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > > -- > Reg & Marg Ingold > Newcastle.NSW. Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at me.com Wed Aug 13 06:37:12 2014 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 09:37:12 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Ford E450 1999 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <78B8BB2E-0BAC-466C-84F5-1FEC2C666BC0@me.com> Hi Peter, My observations over the years has been that most people who put out the amount of money (that it would have cost new in 1999) usually keep up real well re the upkeep on this kind of toy. That DOES NOT seem to be the case with this unit from what the current owner says about it. Are there any service records for it? Can you determine how many owners there have been? Have you looked at,smelled/tasted (yes, I said tasted) the fluid in the tranny? Have you checked out the rear end gear ratio to determine if it matches the use you foresee for the unit? If I were buying something like this I would be looking for a diesel, BUT a gas engine can take a lack of doing an oil change "on time" a lot better than can a diesel! I had a transmission in a 1999 F350 7.3 fail when the truck had about 110k miles on it. (A Ford new tranny cost about $4,000.00 installed, if I recall properly) I believe that was/is the same transmission they used in the 450. I was told (at the dealership) that that (i.e. 119/120K) is about what they expected out of it if it was used for hauling "heavy". Given that the unit is 15 years old you are going to have to put up with lots of nickel and dime repairs. It's the $10.00 dollar ones that are real a "kick in the head" or ass (as the case may be)! Good luck with whatever you decide! Dave On Aug 13, 2014, at 4:12 AM, Listerdiesel wrote: > Can I ask for opinions on this vehicle from the lists membership, please? > > 1999 Ford E450 Superduty with the V10 Triton engine. > > 78800 miles > > Auto box with overdrive > > LPG converted > > Four Winds RV with toy garage in the rear, 31ft long. > > Is the engine/transmission reliable? What about the RV body manufacturer? > > http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/181493745234 > > Thoughts and opinions would be appreciated. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From kast13iron at yahoo.com Wed Aug 13 07:28:16 2014 From: kast13iron at yahoo.com (J) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 07:28:16 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Brass tag etching service?? Message-ID: <1407940096.28888.YahooMailNeo@web140701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Is there anyone or business who etches brass tags in small quanity??? If so contact info please. From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Aug 13 09:00:28 2014 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 17:00:28 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Ford E450 1999 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks for the comments! We took the 6-wheel drawbar trailer down to the south of France in June (we left the Ruston diesel in Holland) and we covered nearly 2000 miles towing it around and living in it when we stopped. It worked well, but like in so many things in life we changed direction a bit and are now looking at other options. Annual mileage for the trailer this year is probably 3000 miles, and if we picked up an RV it wouldn't be a daily driver, just used to go to shows with an engine. The V10 and V8 of that series had an issue with spark plug threads failing, that's about all I can find bad about them. The E450 Super Duty seems to be pretty well liked. Maintenance isn't an issue, finding parking for the thing will be :) We'll be in CA next month, house-sitting for Tim again, so we'll be looking round the RV dealers while we are there. Peter On 13 August 2014 16:00, chuck franklin wrote: > Peter, > > I just gave my son my 1995 ford motor home. The only problems I had were > the fuel pump failure and the total faliure of the toque converter, ford > used a light duty converter in the 1995 v-8 models. (78,500 miles) I have > seen some nice class A models with cat engine going for $30,000 over here > if you are not worried about shipping. > > Chuck > > > > ------------------------------ > Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 09:12:40 +0100 > Subject: Ford E450 1999 > From: listerdiesel at gmail.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > CC: stationary-engine at oldengine.org > > > Can I ask for opinions on this vehicle from the lists membership, please? > > 1999 Ford E450 Superduty with the V10 Triton engine. > > 78800 miles > > Auto box with overdrive > > LPG converted > > Four Winds RV with toy garage in the rear, 31ft long. > > Is the engine/transmission reliable? What about the RV body manufacturer? > > http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/181493745234 > > Thoughts and opinions would be appreciated. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.co.uk > -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From sluggo54 at hotmail.com Wed Aug 13 14:38:36 2014 From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (sluggo54) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 15:38:36 -0600 Subject: [SEL] =?utf-8?q?Spam=3E_E450?= Message-ID: Peter, special caution here: "The front window seal over the cab is?covered?in bathroom?mastic - NOT BY US?- and probably just requires removing completely, cleaning?and resealing properly." Check under the window area for rot. ?Not impossible fix but can be a real pita. ?Also, don't let any amateurs near the V10's spark plugs. ?The early ones used a short thread section plug, the heads are aluminium. ?It is quite easy to cross thread and strip... Bruce Younger Sluggo54 at hotmail.com I practice the art of? Klik Pao From bakermonitor1932 at hotmail.com Thu Aug 14 10:43:38 2014 From: bakermonitor1932 at hotmail.com (Devin Holland) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2014 13:43:38 -0400 Subject: [SEL] f450 V10 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It seems my father is not active on the list at the moment. as we had a problem with his 2001 f350 truck. After the first 100000 miles it decided it didn't like having an exhaust and broke half the studs on the manifold. This continues to be a problem and he is changing the studs about every 2-3 years. The only other problem is that the ring around the over drive button on the shifter breaks off about every 2years $15 every time. Other than that it has been a wonderful truck. Devin Holland From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Aug 14 14:18:21 2014 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2014 22:18:21 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Spam> E450 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bruce & Devin: Thanks for the comments, really appreciate the input. The bodywork is not so much of an issue as we can rebuild if need be, but the plug situation goes back to 1999 and there are three sizes of repair kits to repair the problem, plus new heads if you feel flush.The depth of material only allows for 4 threads of engagement, and any seizure of the threads in the ali casting will tear the threads out if you pull the plug out with force. We use Copaslip on our own V8's and take them out every 10000 miles to check & gap. They are good for 80000 miles, we changed our first set at 60000 and they looked fine. The weight carrying capacity of that rear compartment in the E450 is only 650kg or 1430# in old money. Take out the racks and tool cupboards.... The big Ruston goes 1300kg or 2860# complete, the new Ruston (did I mention we had bought another horizontal diesel?) is going to be lighter, but still over that weight limit, and we don't seem able to be able to uprate the chassis/axle weights in any way, so that one is probably a non-starter. Sideways thinking: We could take the three axles off the trailer and plonk the whole thing onto a LWB truck chassis. I'm also going to try and get my heavy goods licence reinstated, that will enable me to go up to 32 tonnes with a rigid and drawbar trailer, that should be enough.... :-) Peter On 13 August 2014 22:38, sluggo54 wrote: > Peter, special caution here: > "The front window seal over the cab is covered in bathroom mastic - NOT BY > US - and probably just requires removing completely, cleaning and resealing > properly." > Check under the window area for rot. Not impossible fix but can be a real > pita. Also, don't let any amateurs near the V10's spark plugs. The early > ones used a short thread section plug, the heads are aluminium. It is > quite easy to cross thread and strip... > > > Bruce Younger > Sluggo54 at hotmail.com > I practice the art of > Klik Pao > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From scottandsusan.richards at gmail.com Thu Aug 14 17:52:36 2014 From: scottandsusan.richards at gmail.com (Scott Richards) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2014 17:52:36 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Economy Antique Engine Message-ID: <53ed59de.61b8440a.6c6a.0d5f@mx.google.com> I recently (three days ago) purchased an 1-1/2 HP Economy (Hercules) Model E engine with Serial No. 71260 (1914 or 1915 year of manufacture) that had not been run for six or seven years. This is my first antique engine and first exposure to antique engines in general. After cleaning up the engine (mostly exterior) I was able to get the engine running after finding the Instruction Book for the Model E engine on the Hercules website. When I first ran the engine, I heard a knocking noise from the crankshaft area. I felt the bearings at the crankshaft end of the connecting rod and it felt loose. I removed the two thinnest steel liner strips on each side of the bearing and put the bearing back together and ran the engine. The noise was still there so I assumed it must be coming from the crank shaft bearing. I removed the crank shaft bearings and found that one half of each bearing on each side was broken and in pieces. I understand that these bearings are "made of special die cast babbitt." My question is where I can obtain some replacement bearings. One of the bearing halves that was not broken had a crack in it, so I probably need at least 3 half-bearings. Also, I am not sure if I have the battery/coil properly hooked up. I ran a wire from the battery to the + side of the coil and then a wire from the - side of the coil to the igniter. I then ran a wire from the ground post on the engine (next to the igniter) to the negative terminal of the battery. It seemed to work, but I was not sure if this wiring scheme was providing the spark advantage of the coil or not. The engine requires considerable cranking in order to get it started, but that could be for other reasons. In checking to see if the igniter was producing a spark when hooked up just to the battery by breaking the points contact, I may have pitted the points. Can I just file down the contact points to see if that helps with the hard starting? Sorry for the "newbie" type questions, but any help would be appreciated. Thanks. Scott Richards 1700 Spring Grove Road Hollister, CA 95023 559.901.1664 (Susan's cell phone) 559.647.9892 (Scott's cell phone) scottandsusan.richards at gmail.com From oldironnut at windstream.net Fri Aug 15 06:54:06 2014 From: oldironnut at windstream.net (Michael Tucker) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2014 09:54:06 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Economy Antique Engine In-Reply-To: <53ed59de.61b8440a.6c6a.0d5f@mx.google.com> References: <53ed59de.61b8440a.6c6a.0d5f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <14B769BE-A536-4634-B21D-637A3F913EA8@windstream.net> Scott, Congrats on your first engine and getting it running! Keith Kinney will know better than I (he?s at the Badger Steam and Gas Show right now and then will be going on to the Portland show so he may be tough to contact right now) but if you go to http://starboltenginesupplies.com and then open his catalog pdf you can find the main and crank bearings for your Economy on page 8 (item 210 A1, 210 A2 or 210 A3). You can call and talk to Bill at Starbolt to make sure that these will indeed fit your engine. Also talk to Bill about a new gudgeon pin for the piston and bearing for the crank as those are common sources of engine knock. Hope this helps, Mike On Aug 14, 2014, at 8:52 PM, Scott Richards wrote: > I recently (three days ago) purchased an 1-1/2 HP Economy (Hercules) Model E > engine with Serial No. 71260 (1914 or 1915 year of manufacture) that had not > been run for six or seven years. This is my first antique engine and first > exposure to antique engines in general. After cleaning up the engine (mostly > exterior) I was able to get the engine running after finding the Instruction > Book for the Model E engine on the Hercules website. > > > > When I first ran the engine, I heard a knocking noise from the crankshaft > area. I felt the bearings at the crankshaft end of the connecting rod and it > felt loose. I removed the two thinnest steel liner strips on each side of > the bearing and put the bearing back together and ran the engine. The noise > was still there so I assumed it must be coming from the crank shaft bearing. > I removed the crank shaft bearings and found that one half of each bearing > on each side was broken and in pieces. I understand that these bearings are > "made of special die cast babbitt." My question is where I can obtain some > replacement bearings. One of the bearing halves that was not broken had a > crack in it, so I probably need at least 3 half-bearings. > > Also, I am not sure if I have the battery/coil properly hooked up. I ran a > wire from the battery to the + side of the coil and then a wire from the - > side of the coil to the igniter. I then ran a wire from the ground post on > the engine (next to the igniter) to the negative terminal of the battery. It > seemed to work, but I was not sure if this wiring scheme was providing the > spark advantage of the coil or not. The engine requires considerable > cranking in order to get it started, but that could be for other reasons. > > > > In checking to see if the igniter was producing a spark when hooked up just > to the battery by breaking the points contact, I may have pitted the points. > Can I just file down the contact points to see if that helps with the hard > starting? > > > > Sorry for the "newbie" type questions, but any help would be appreciated. > Thanks. > > > > > > Scott Richards > > 1700 Spring Grove Road > > Hollister, CA 95023 > > 559.901.1664 (Susan's cell phone) > > 559.647.9892 (Scott's cell phone) > > scottandsusan.richards at gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From scottandsusan.richards at gmail.com Fri Aug 15 09:03:19 2014 From: scottandsusan.richards at gmail.com (Scott Richards) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2014 09:03:19 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Economy Antique Engine In-Reply-To: <14B769BE-A536-4634-B21D-637A3F913EA8@windstream.net> References: <53ed59de.61b8440a.6c6a.0d5f@mx.google.com> <14B769BE-A536-4634-B21D-637A3F913EA8@windstream.net> Message-ID: <53ee2f54.a189440a.57e9.5945@mx.google.com> Thank you for the information and parts lead. I did remove two of the shims on the connecting rod, but now will research the "gudgeon" pin further. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Michael Tucker Sent: Friday, August 15, 2014 6:54 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Antique Engine Scott, Congrats on your first engine and getting it running! Keith Kinney will know better than I (he's at the Badger Steam and Gas Show right now and then will be going on to the Portland show so he may be tough to contact right now) but if you go to http://starboltenginesupplies.com and then open his catalog pdf you can find the main and crank bearings for your Economy on page 8 (item 210 A1, 210 A2 or 210 A3). You can call and talk to Bill at Starbolt to make sure that these will indeed fit your engine. Also talk to Bill about a new gudgeon pin for the piston and bearing for the crank as those are common sources of engine knock. Hope this helps, Mike On Aug 14, 2014, at 8:52 PM, Scott Richards wrote: > I recently (three days ago) purchased an 1-1/2 HP Economy (Hercules) > Model E engine with Serial No. 71260 (1914 or 1915 year of > manufacture) that had not been run for six or seven years. This is my > first antique engine and first exposure to antique engines in general. > After cleaning up the engine (mostly > exterior) I was able to get the engine running after finding the > Instruction Book for the Model E engine on the Hercules website. > > > > When I first ran the engine, I heard a knocking noise from the > crankshaft area. I felt the bearings at the crankshaft end of the > connecting rod and it felt loose. I removed the two thinnest steel > liner strips on each side of the bearing and put the bearing back > together and ran the engine. The noise was still there so I assumed it must be coming from the crank shaft bearing. > I removed the crank shaft bearings and found that one half of each > bearing on each side was broken and in pieces. I understand that these > bearings are "made of special die cast babbitt." My question is where > I can obtain some replacement bearings. One of the bearing halves that > was not broken had a crack in it, so I probably need at least 3 half-bearings. > > Also, I am not sure if I have the battery/coil properly hooked up. I > ran a wire from the battery to the + side of the coil and then a wire > from the - side of the coil to the igniter. I then ran a wire from the > ground post on the engine (next to the igniter) to the negative > terminal of the battery. It seemed to work, but I was not sure if this > wiring scheme was providing the spark advantage of the coil or not. > The engine requires considerable cranking in order to get it started, but that could be for other reasons. > > > > In checking to see if the igniter was producing a spark when hooked up > just to the battery by breaking the points contact, I may have pitted the points. > Can I just file down the contact points to see if that helps with the hard > starting? > > > > Sorry for the "newbie" type questions, but any help would be appreciated. > Thanks. > > > > > > Scott Richards > > 1700 Spring Grove Road > > Hollister, CA 95023 > > 559.901.1664 (Susan's cell phone) > > 559.647.9892 (Scott's cell phone) > > scottandsusan.richards at gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From oldironnut at windstream.net Fri Aug 15 10:42:29 2014 From: oldironnut at windstream.net (Michael Tucker) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2014 13:42:29 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Economy Antique Engine In-Reply-To: <53ee2f54.a189440a.57e9.5945@mx.google.com> References: <53ed59de.61b8440a.6c6a.0d5f@mx.google.com> <14B769BE-A536-4634-B21D-637A3F913EA8@windstream.net> <53ee2f54.a189440a.57e9.5945@mx.google.com> Message-ID: On Aug 15, 2014, at 12:03 PM, Scott Richards wrote: > Thank you for the information and parts lead. I did remove two of the shims > on the connecting rod, but now will research the "gudgeon" pin further. aka, the wrist pin? the 3/4?-ish rod that connects the connecting rod to the piston. It doesn?t get as much oil as it should so it and the bushing are notorious places for wear and subsequently engine ?knock.? Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Michael Tucker > Sent: Friday, August 15, 2014 6:54 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Antique Engine > > Scott, > > Congrats on your first engine and getting it running! Keith Kinney will know > better than I (he's at the Badger Steam and Gas Show right now and then will > be going on to the Portland show so he may be tough to contact right now) > but if you go to http://starboltenginesupplies.com and then open his catalog > pdf you can find the main and crank bearings for your Economy on page 8 > (item 210 A1, 210 A2 or 210 A3). You can call and talk to Bill at Starbolt > to make sure that these will indeed fit your engine. Also talk to Bill about > a new gudgeon pin for the piston and bearing for the crank as those are > common sources of engine knock. > > Hope this helps, > Mike > > On Aug 14, 2014, at 8:52 PM, Scott Richards > wrote: > >> I recently (three days ago) purchased an 1-1/2 HP Economy (Hercules) >> Model E engine with Serial No. 71260 (1914 or 1915 year of >> manufacture) that had not been run for six or seven years. This is my >> first antique engine and first exposure to antique engines in general. >> After cleaning up the engine (mostly >> exterior) I was able to get the engine running after finding the >> Instruction Book for the Model E engine on the Hercules website. >> >> >> >> When I first ran the engine, I heard a knocking noise from the >> crankshaft area. I felt the bearings at the crankshaft end of the >> connecting rod and it felt loose. I removed the two thinnest steel >> liner strips on each side of the bearing and put the bearing back >> together and ran the engine. The noise was still there so I assumed it > must be coming from the crank shaft bearing. >> I removed the crank shaft bearings and found that one half of each >> bearing on each side was broken and in pieces. I understand that these >> bearings are "made of special die cast babbitt." My question is where >> I can obtain some replacement bearings. One of the bearing halves that >> was not broken had a crack in it, so I probably need at least 3 > half-bearings. >> >> Also, I am not sure if I have the battery/coil properly hooked up. I >> ran a wire from the battery to the + side of the coil and then a wire >> from the - side of the coil to the igniter. I then ran a wire from the >> ground post on the engine (next to the igniter) to the negative >> terminal of the battery. It seemed to work, but I was not sure if this >> wiring scheme was providing the spark advantage of the coil or not. >> The engine requires considerable cranking in order to get it started, but > that could be for other reasons. >> >> >> >> In checking to see if the igniter was producing a spark when hooked up >> just to the battery by breaking the points contact, I may have pitted the > points. >> Can I just file down the contact points to see if that helps with the hard >> starting? >> >> >> >> Sorry for the "newbie" type questions, but any help would be appreciated. >> Thanks. >> >> >> >> >> >> Scott Richards >> >> 1700 Spring Grove Road >> >> Hollister, CA 95023 >> >> 559.901.1664 (Susan's cell phone) >> >> 559.647.9892 (Scott's cell phone) >> >> scottandsusan.richards at gmail.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From scottandsusan.richards at gmail.com Fri Aug 15 11:47:13 2014 From: scottandsusan.richards at gmail.com (Scott Richards) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2014 11:47:13 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Economy Antique Engine In-Reply-To: References: <53ed59de.61b8440a.6c6a.0d5f@mx.google.com> <14B769BE-A536-4634-B21D-637A3F913EA8@windstream.net> <53ee2f54.a189440a.57e9.5945@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <53ee55bb.8584440a.7cc1.683a@mx.google.com> Thanks. I thought that might be what it was (wrist pin). Do I need to remove the head cover to remove the piston, or can I remove it from the crank end by removing the governor first? I didn't want to "disturb" the head gasket if not necessary, but then maybe I should look at the valve seats anyway. Scott -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Michael Tucker Sent: Friday, August 15, 2014 10:42 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Antique Engine On Aug 15, 2014, at 12:03 PM, Scott Richards wrote: > Thank you for the information and parts lead. I did remove two of the > shims on the connecting rod, but now will research the "gudgeon" pin further. aka, the wrist pin. the 3/4"-ish rod that connects the connecting rod to the piston. It doesn't get as much oil as it should so it and the bushing are notorious places for wear and subsequently engine "knock." Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Michael > Tucker > Sent: Friday, August 15, 2014 6:54 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Antique Engine > > Scott, > > Congrats on your first engine and getting it running! Keith Kinney > will know better than I (he's at the Badger Steam and Gas Show right > now and then will be going on to the Portland show so he may be tough > to contact right now) but if you go to > http://starboltenginesupplies.com and then open his catalog pdf you > can find the main and crank bearings for your Economy on page 8 (item > 210 A1, 210 A2 or 210 A3). You can call and talk to Bill at Starbolt > to make sure that these will indeed fit your engine. Also talk to Bill > about a new gudgeon pin for the piston and bearing for the crank as those are common sources of engine knock. > > Hope this helps, > Mike > > On Aug 14, 2014, at 8:52 PM, Scott Richards > wrote: > >> I recently (three days ago) purchased an 1-1/2 HP Economy (Hercules) >> Model E engine with Serial No. 71260 (1914 or 1915 year of >> manufacture) that had not been run for six or seven years. This is my >> first antique engine and first exposure to antique engines in general. >> After cleaning up the engine (mostly >> exterior) I was able to get the engine running after finding the >> Instruction Book for the Model E engine on the Hercules website. >> >> >> >> When I first ran the engine, I heard a knocking noise from the >> crankshaft area. I felt the bearings at the crankshaft end of the >> connecting rod and it felt loose. I removed the two thinnest steel >> liner strips on each side of the bearing and put the bearing back >> together and ran the engine. The noise was still there so I assumed >> it > must be coming from the crank shaft bearing. >> I removed the crank shaft bearings and found that one half of each >> bearing on each side was broken and in pieces. I understand that >> these bearings are "made of special die cast babbitt." My question is >> where I can obtain some replacement bearings. One of the bearing >> halves that was not broken had a crack in it, so I probably need at >> least 3 > half-bearings. >> >> Also, I am not sure if I have the battery/coil properly hooked up. I >> ran a wire from the battery to the + side of the coil and then a wire >> from the - side of the coil to the igniter. I then ran a wire from >> the ground post on the engine (next to the igniter) to the negative >> terminal of the battery. It seemed to work, but I was not sure if >> this wiring scheme was providing the spark advantage of the coil or not. >> The engine requires considerable cranking in order to get it started, >> but > that could be for other reasons. >> >> >> >> In checking to see if the igniter was producing a spark when hooked >> up just to the battery by breaking the points contact, I may have >> pitted the > points. >> Can I just file down the contact points to see if that helps with the hard >> starting? >> >> >> >> Sorry for the "newbie" type questions, but any help would be appreciated. >> Thanks. >> >> >> >> >> >> Scott Richards >> >> 1700 Spring Grove Road >> >> Hollister, CA 95023 >> >> 559.901.1664 (Susan's cell phone) >> >> 559.647.9892 (Scott's cell phone) >> >> scottandsusan.richards at gmail.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From oldironnut at windstream.net Fri Aug 15 13:30:03 2014 From: oldironnut at windstream.net (Michael Tucker) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2014 16:30:03 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Economy Antique Engine In-Reply-To: <53ee55bb.8584440a.7cc1.683a@mx.google.com> References: <53ed59de.61b8440a.6c6a.0d5f@mx.google.com> <14B769BE-A536-4634-B21D-637A3F913EA8@windstream.net> <53ee2f54.a189440a.57e9.5945@mx.google.com> <53ee55bb.8584440a.7cc1.683a@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <2450D88B-1AB5-4B66-992A-F353712E6116@windstream.net> On Aug 15, 2014, at 2:47 PM, Scott Richards wrote: > Thanks. I thought that might be what it was (wrist pin). Do I need to remove > the head cover to remove the piston, or can I remove it from the crank end > by removing the governor first? I didn't want to "disturb" the head gasket > if not necessary, but then maybe I should look at the valve seats anyway. I?m in the ?if it ain?t broke don?t fix it? camp so I wouldn?t pull the head if it?s not necessary. Spinning it over without a functional ignition should give you an idea if the valves are leaky. If not, leave the head alone? if they are pull it, reseat the valves, cut a new head gasket, put it back together and you?re on your way. As for taking a look at and/or replacing the wrist pin, it?s easy to unscrew the governor from it?s shaft and pull the piston out of the back of the cylinder (this is the way that I would do it regardless of what you do with the head). If the wrist pin and rod bushing is worn, replace them, clean out any sludge in the cylinder, put her back together, fire her up and have a cold one while you enjoy the stack music! :-) Have fun, Mike > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com//2 > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Michael Tucker > Sent: Friday, August 15, 2014 10:42 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Antique Engine > > On Aug 15, 2014, at 12:03 PM, Scott Richards > wrote: > >> Thank you for the information and parts lead. I did remove two of the >> shims on the connecting rod, but now will research the "gudgeon" pin > further. > > aka, the wrist pin. the 3/4"-ish rod that connects the connecting rod to the > piston. It doesn't get as much oil as it should so it and the bushing are > notorious places for wear and subsequently engine "knock." > > Mike > >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Michael >> Tucker >> Sent: Friday, August 15, 2014 6:54 AM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Antique Engine >> >> Scott, >> >> Congrats on your first engine and getting it running! Keith Kinney >> will know better than I (he's at the Badger Steam and Gas Show right >> now and then will be going on to the Portland show so he may be tough >> to contact right now) but if you go to >> http://starboltenginesupplies.com and then open his catalog pdf you >> can find the main and crank bearings for your Economy on page 8 (item >> 210 A1, 210 A2 or 210 A3). You can call and talk to Bill at Starbolt >> to make sure that these will indeed fit your engine. Also talk to Bill >> about a new gudgeon pin for the piston and bearing for the crank as those > are common sources of engine knock. >> >> Hope this helps, >> Mike >> >> On Aug 14, 2014, at 8:52 PM, Scott Richards >> wrote: >> >>> I recently (three days ago) purchased an 1-1/2 HP Economy (Hercules) >>> Model E engine with Serial No. 71260 (1914 or 1915 year of >>> manufacture) that had not been run for six or seven years. This is my >>> first antique engine and first exposure to antique engines in general. >>> After cleaning up the engine (mostly >>> exterior) I was able to get the engine running after finding the >>> Instruction Book for the Model E engine on the Hercules website. >>> >>> >>> >>> When I first ran the engine, I heard a knocking noise from the >>> crankshaft area. I felt the bearings at the crankshaft end of the >>> connecting rod and it felt loose. I removed the two thinnest steel >>> liner strips on each side of the bearing and put the bearing back >>> together and ran the engine. The noise was still there so I assumed >>> it >> must be coming from the crank shaft bearing. >>> I removed the crank shaft bearings and found that one half of each >>> bearing on each side was broken and in pieces. I understand that >>> these bearings are "made of special die cast babbitt." My question is >>> where I can obtain some replacement bearings. One of the bearing >>> halves that was not broken had a crack in it, so I probably need at >>> least 3 >> half-bearings. >>> >>> Also, I am not sure if I have the battery/coil properly hooked up. I >>> ran a wire from the battery to the + side of the coil and then a wire >>> from the - side of the coil to the igniter. I then ran a wire from >>> the ground post on the engine (next to the igniter) to the negative >>> terminal of the battery. It seemed to work, but I was not sure if >>> this wiring scheme was providing the spark advantage of the coil or not. >>> The engine requires considerable cranking in order to get it started, >>> but >> that could be for other reasons. >>> >>> >>> >>> In checking to see if the igniter was producing a spark when hooked >>> up just to the battery by breaking the points contact, I may have >>> pitted the >> points. >>> Can I just file down the contact points to see if that helps with the > hard >>> starting? >>> >>> >>> >>> Sorry for the "newbie" type questions, but any help would be appreciated. >>> Thanks. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Scott Richards >>> >>> 1700 Spring Grove Road >>> >>> Hollister, CA 95023 >>> >>> 559.901.1664 (Susan's cell phone) >>> >>> 559.647.9892 (Scott's cell phone) >>> >>> scottandsusan.richards at gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From scottandsusan.richards at gmail.com Fri Aug 15 13:44:04 2014 From: scottandsusan.richards at gmail.com (Scott Richards) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2014 13:44:04 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Economy Antique Engine In-Reply-To: <2450D88B-1AB5-4B66-992A-F353712E6116@windstream.net> References: <53ed59de.61b8440a.6c6a.0d5f@mx.google.com> <14B769BE-A536-4634-B21D-637A3F913EA8@windstream.net> <53ee2f54.a189440a.57e9.5945@mx.google.com> <53ee55bb.8584440a.7cc1.683a@mx.google.com> <2450D88B-1AB5-4B66-992A-F353712E6116@windstream.net> Message-ID: <53ee7121.6a33460a.6d22.ffffdc7d@mx.google.com> Mike, Thanks, I will do that. I do enjoy the stack music. J The parts are on their way. Scott -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Michael Tucker Sent: Friday, August 15, 2014 1:30 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Antique Engine On Aug 15, 2014, at 2:47 PM, Scott Richards < scottandsusan.richards at gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks. I thought that might be what it was (wrist pin). Do I need to > remove the head cover to remove the piston, or can I remove it from > the crank end by removing the governor first? I didn't want to > "disturb" the head gasket if not necessary, but then maybe I should look at the valve seats anyway. I'm in the "if it ain't broke don't fix it" camp so I wouldn't pull the head if it's not necessary. Spinning it over without a functional ignition should give you an idea if the valves are leaky. If not, leave the head alone. if they are pull it, reseat the valves, cut a new head gasket, put it back together and you're on your way. As for taking a look at and/or replacing the wrist pin, it's easy to unscrew the governor from it's shaft and pull the piston out of the back of the cylinder (this is the way that I would do it regardless of what you do with the head). If the wrist pin and rod bushing is worn, replace them, clean out any sludge in the cylinder, put her back together, fire her up and have a cold one while you enjoy the stack music! :-) Have fun, Mike > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com//2 > [ mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Michael > Tucker > Sent: Friday, August 15, 2014 10:42 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Antique Engine > > On Aug 15, 2014, at 12:03 PM, Scott Richards > < scottandsusan.richards at gmail.com> wrote: > >> Thank you for the information and parts lead. I did remove two of the >> shims on the connecting rod, but now will research the "gudgeon" pin > further. > > aka, the wrist pin. the 3/4"-ish rod that connects the connecting rod > to the piston. It doesn't get as much oil as it should so it and the > bushing are notorious places for wear and subsequently engine "knock." > > Mike > >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [ mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Michael >> Tucker >> Sent: Friday, August 15, 2014 6:54 AM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Antique Engine >> >> Scott, >> >> Congrats on your first engine and getting it running! Keith Kinney >> will know better than I (he's at the Badger Steam and Gas Show right >> now and then will be going on to the Portland show so he may be tough >> to contact right now) but if you go to >> http://starboltenginesupplies.com and then open his catalog pdf you >> can find the main and crank bearings for your Economy on page 8 (item >> 210 A1, 210 A2 or 210 A3). You can call and talk to Bill at Starbolt >> to make sure that these will indeed fit your engine. Also talk to >> Bill about a new gudgeon pin for the piston and bearing for the crank >> as those > are common sources of engine knock. >> >> Hope this helps, >> Mike >> >> On Aug 14, 2014, at 8:52 PM, Scott Richards >> < scottandsusan.richards at gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I recently (three days ago) purchased an 1-1/2 HP Economy (Hercules) >>> Model E engine with Serial No. 71260 (1914 or 1915 year of >>> manufacture) that had not been run for six or seven years. This is >>> my first antique engine and first exposure to antique engines in general. >>> After cleaning up the engine (mostly >>> exterior) I was able to get the engine running after finding the >>> Instruction Book for the Model E engine on the Hercules website. >>> >>> >>> >>> When I first ran the engine, I heard a knocking noise from the >>> crankshaft area. I felt the bearings at the crankshaft end of the >>> connecting rod and it felt loose. I removed the two thinnest steel >>> liner strips on each side of the bearing and put the bearing back >>> together and ran the engine. The noise was still there so I assumed >>> it >> must be coming from the crank shaft bearing. >>> I removed the crank shaft bearings and found that one half of each >>> bearing on each side was broken and in pieces. I understand that >>> these bearings are "made of special die cast babbitt." My question >>> is where I can obtain some replacement bearings. One of the bearing >>> halves that was not broken had a crack in it, so I probably need at >>> least 3 >> half-bearings. >>> >>> Also, I am not sure if I have the battery/coil properly hooked up. I >>> ran a wire from the battery to the + side of the coil and then a >>> wire from the - side of the coil to the igniter. I then ran a wire >>> from the ground post on the engine (next to the igniter) to the >>> negative terminal of the battery. It seemed to work, but I was not >>> sure if this wiring scheme was providing the spark advantage of the coil or not. >>> The engine requires considerable cranking in order to get it >>> started, but >> that could be for other reasons. >>> >>> >>> >>> In checking to see if the igniter was producing a spark when hooked >>> up just to the battery by breaking the points contact, I may have >>> pitted the >> points. >>> Can I just file down the contact points to see if that helps with >>> the > hard >>> starting? >>> >>> >>> >>> Sorry for the "newbie" type questions, but any help would be appreciated. >>> Thanks. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Scott Richards >>> >>> 1700 Spring Grove Road >>> >>> Hollister, CA 95023 >>> >>> 559.901.1664 (Susan's cell phone) >>> >>> 559.647.9892 (Scott's cell phone) >>> >>> scottandsusan.richards at gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Sat Aug 23 16:10:39 2014 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2014 09:10:39 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Assistance in the garage Message-ID: I have been getting some help in the garage from my 3 year old assistant. Samuel did a fine job of measuring the muffler off the YC Stover: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/samuel/2014-08-23_measuring.jpg Patrick M Livingstone 0418 692013 Earlwood NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sun Aug 24 01:25:24 2014 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2014 18:25:24 +1000 Subject: [SEL] PORTLAND Message-ID: <4CE3019342B14606B61413B5406F5852@RegPC> I just saw pics of the show on facebook! That would have to be about the biggest washout yet!!!! It makes the 'shower' we had at the 'Our Town' model show seem like a minor damp! Reg & Marg Ingold Newcastle. NSW. Australia randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From cgandree at mchsi.com Sun Aug 24 12:41:45 2014 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2014 14:41:45 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [SEL] OT Electric Fork Lift specs needed In-Reply-To: <535236616.16569241408907591347.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11> Message-ID: <771912188.16572561408909305678.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11> I am looking for a spec sheet for a Raymond Electric lift truck that belongs to my conservation club. We will be moving to a new storage building soon and we have a farmer willing to to lift it on to our trailer to move. Because it does not have enough power to ride up the ramps nor on rough ground we need help to put it on the trailer. The farmer lives several miles away and doesn't want to make the drive if its too heavy for his tractor and loader. The brand name is Raymond. I have located their website but it only gives specs for how heavy a capacity it will lift not its actual weight. Because it is very old but still works the only serial tag on it says: 851-W3RTT-610. So not sure if that is the actual model number. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance, Curt Andree From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Aug 24 15:24:24 2014 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2014 18:24:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] PORTLAND In-Reply-To: <4CE3019342B14606B61413B5406F5852@RegPC> References: <4CE3019342B14606B61413B5406F5852@RegPC> Message-ID: G'day Reg, Portland was NOT a washout. A few folks who set up in the "lowlands" had their flywheels underwater for a day until things drained, but that was about it. During the day we just had a couple showers to knock down the dust. There were the usual mud bogs in the sale area and the idiots with golf carts and Gators who delighted in churning up the mud, but otherwise it was a GREAT show. I can't wait till the 50th!! See ya, Arnie On Sun, August 24, 2014 4:25 am, Reg Ingold wrote: > I just saw pics of the show on facebook! That would have to be about the > biggest washout yet!!!! > It makes the 'shower' we had at the 'Our Town' model show seem like a > minor damp! > > Reg & Marg Ingold > Newcastle. NSW. Australia > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > From jnyost at yahoo.com Sun Aug 24 15:42:06 2014 From: jnyost at yahoo.com (Jim Yost) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2014 18:42:06 -0400 Subject: [SEL] PORTLAND In-Reply-To: References: <4CE3019342B14606B61413B5406F5852@RegPC> Message-ID: <5917C416-0F0E-46DC-9C55-448697C45D09@yahoo.com> I was surprised the powers to be at Portland didn't put a stop to the butt buggies in the sales area. I guess u just need some common sense when not to ride your butt around. Had a great time there. Hey Steve the ice cream was awesome as usual! Sent from my iPhone Jim > On Aug 24, 2014, at 6:24 PM, "Arnie Fero" wrote: > > G'day Reg, > > Portland was NOT a washout. A few folks who set up in the "lowlands" > had their flywheels underwater for a day until things drained, but > that was about it. During the day we just had a couple showers to > knock down the dust. There were the usual mud bogs in the sale area > and the idiots with golf carts and Gators who delighted in churning > up the mud, but otherwise it was a GREAT show. I can't wait till the > 50th!! > > See ya, Arnie > >> On Sun, August 24, 2014 4:25 am, Reg Ingold wrote: >> I just saw pics of the show on facebook! That would have to be about the >> biggest washout yet!!!! >> It makes the 'shower' we had at the 'Our Town' model show seem like a >> minor damp! >> >> Reg & Marg Ingold >> Newcastle. NSW. Australia >> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sun Aug 24 16:39:30 2014 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 09:39:30 +1000 Subject: [SEL] PORTLAND In-Reply-To: References: <4CE3019342B14606B61413B5406F5852@RegPC> Message-ID: <480D865FE005458A86C2073B3A830610@RegPC> I too, put off thoughts of coming over this year as I want to be at the 50th event. Do you think I should bring a blow up boat as luggage? Reg & Marg Ingold Newcastle. NSW. Australia randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold -------------------------------------------------- From: "Arnie Fero" Sent: Monday, August 25, 2014 8:24 AM To: Cc: "List SEL" ; "list oldengine" Subject: Re: [SEL] PORTLAND > G'day Reg, > > Portland was NOT a washout. A few folks who set up in the "lowlands" > had their flywheels underwater for a day until things drained, but > that was about it. During the day we just had a couple showers to > knock down the dust. There were the usual mud bogs in the sale area > and the idiots with golf carts and Gators who delighted in churning > up the mud, but otherwise it was a GREAT show. I can't wait till the > 50th!! > > See ya, Arnie > > On Sun, August 24, 2014 4:25 am, Reg Ingold wrote: >> I just saw pics of the show on facebook! That would have to be about the >> biggest washout yet!!!! >> It makes the 'shower' we had at the 'Our Town' model show seem like a >> minor damp! >> >> Reg & Marg Ingold >> Newcastle. NSW. Australia >> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at me.com Sun Aug 24 17:38:43 2014 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2014 20:38:43 -0400 Subject: [SEL] PORTLAND In-Reply-To: <480D865FE005458A86C2073B3A830610@RegPC> References: <4CE3019342B14606B61413B5406F5852@RegPC> <480D865FE005458A86C2073B3A830610@RegPC> Message-ID: <7D744227-A112-4C1E-B4EC-5432F16867BD@me.com> That is probably a better idea that the damn blow up doll you brought last time you were here! Dave On Aug 24, 2014, at 7:39 PM, Reg Ingold wrote: > I too, put off thoughts of coming over this year as I want to be at the 50th > event. > Do you think I should bring a blow up boat as luggage? > Reg & Marg Ingold > Newcastle. NSW. Australia > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Arnie Fero" > Sent: Monday, August 25, 2014 8:24 AM > To: > Cc: "List SEL" ; "list oldengine" > > Subject: Re: [SEL] PORTLAND > >> G'day Reg, >> >> Portland was NOT a washout. A few folks who set up in the "lowlands" >> had their flywheels underwater for a day until things drained, but >> that was about it. During the day we just had a couple showers to >> knock down the dust. There were the usual mud bogs in the sale area >> and the idiots with golf carts and Gators who delighted in churning >> up the mud, but otherwise it was a GREAT show. I can't wait till the >> 50th!! >> >> See ya, Arnie >> >> On Sun, August 24, 2014 4:25 am, Reg Ingold wrote: >>> I just saw pics of the show on facebook! That would have to be about the >>> biggest washout yet!!!! >>> It makes the 'shower' we had at the 'Our Town' model show seem like a >>> minor damp! >>> >>> Reg & Marg Ingold >>> Newcastle. NSW. Australia >>> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From regingold3 at gmail.com Sun Aug 24 20:09:21 2014 From: regingold3 at gmail.com (Reg Ingold) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 13:09:21 +1000 Subject: [SEL] PORTLAND In-Reply-To: <7D744227-A112-4C1E-B4EC-5432F16867BD@me.com> References: <4CE3019342B14606B61413B5406F5852@RegPC> <480D865FE005458A86C2073B3A830610@RegPC> <7D744227-A112-4C1E-B4EC-5432F16867BD@me.com> Message-ID: Ha! I should have expected that from you!!! VBG On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 10:38 AM, David Rotigel wrote: > That is probably a better idea that the damn blow up doll you brought last > time you were here! > Dave > > On Aug 24, 2014, at 7:39 PM, Reg Ingold wrote: > > > I too, put off thoughts of coming over this year as I want to be at the > 50th > > event. > > Do you think I should bring a blow up boat as luggage? > > Reg & Marg Ingold > > Newcastle. NSW. Australia > > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > From: "Arnie Fero" > > Sent: Monday, August 25, 2014 8:24 AM > > To: > > Cc: "List SEL" ; "list oldengine" > > > > Subject: Re: [SEL] PORTLAND > > > >> G'day Reg, > >> > >> Portland was NOT a washout. A few folks who set up in the "lowlands" > >> had their flywheels underwater for a day until things drained, but > >> that was about it. During the day we just had a couple showers to > >> knock down the dust. There were the usual mud bogs in the sale area > >> and the idiots with golf carts and Gators who delighted in churning > >> up the mud, but otherwise it was a GREAT show. I can't wait till the > >> 50th!! > >> > >> See ya, Arnie > >> > >> On Sun, August 24, 2014 4:25 am, Reg Ingold wrote: > >>> I just saw pics of the show on facebook! That would have to be about > the > >>> biggest washout yet!!!! > >>> It makes the 'shower' we had at the 'Our Town' model show seem like a > >>> minor damp! > >>> > >>> Reg & Marg Ingold > >>> Newcastle. NSW. Australia > >>> randmingold at hotkey.net.au > >>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > >>> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -- Reg & Marg Ingold Newcastle.NSW. Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Aug 25 00:08:13 2014 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 17:08:13 +1000 Subject: [SEL] earthquake Message-ID: <53DC50563D4B49E4936412CCC58BFE6D@RegPC> We have just heard on our news that Cal has had an earthquake. Are all 'our' folk ok? Reg & Marg Ingold Newcastle. NSW. Australia randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From STB440 at aol.com Mon Aug 25 07:08:59 2014 From: STB440 at aol.com (STB440 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 10:08:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] PORTLAND Message-ID: <12e9c.796ad257.412c9d7b@aol.com> Dam Reg you stepped right into that one. Must have just gotten out of bed. Tom In a message dated 8/24/2014 11:18:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, regingold3 at gmail.com writes: Ha! I should have expected that from you!!! VBG On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 10:38 AM, David Rotigel wrote: > That is probably a better idea that the damn blow up doll you brought last > time you were here! > Dave > > On Aug 24, 2014, at 7:39 PM, Reg Ingold wrote: > > > I too, put off thoughts of coming over this year as I want to be at the > 50th > > event. > > Do you think I should bring a blow up boat as luggage? > > Reg & Marg Ingold > > Newcastle. NSW. Australia > > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > From: "Arnie Fero" > > Sent: Monday, August 25, 2014 8:24 AM > > To: > > Cc: "List SEL" ; "list oldengine" > > > > Subject: Re: [SEL] PORTLAND > > > >> G'day Reg, > >> > >> Portland was NOT a washout. A few folks who set up in the "lowlands" > >> had their flywheels underwater for a day until things drained, but > >> that was about it. During the day we just had a couple showers to > >> knock down the dust. There were the usual mud bogs in the sale area > >> and the idiots with golf carts and Gators who delighted in churning > >> up the mud, but otherwise it was a GREAT show. I can't wait till the > >> 50th!! > >> > >> See ya, Arnie > >> > >> On Sun, August 24, 2014 4:25 am, Reg Ingold wrote: > >>> I just saw pics of the show on facebook! That would have to be about > the > >>> biggest washout yet!!!! > >>> It makes the 'shower' we had at the 'Our Town' model show seem like a > >>> minor damp! > >>> > >>> Reg & Marg Ingold > >>> Newcastle. NSW. Australia > >>> randmingold at hotkey.net.au > >>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > >>> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -- Reg & Marg Ingold Newcastle.NSW. Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From George.Best at adp.com Mon Aug 25 08:15:32 2014 From: George.Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 15:15:32 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT: ALS Ice Bucket Challenge Message-ID: <8ED2A37CFAC7D942985D084BE65734556C43B020@DSXMBX3HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Yesterday I helped my daughter and son-in-law complete their ice bucket challenge. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MdRLhWuYzs&feature=youtu.be This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From rob at rustyiron.com Mon Aug 25 09:57:14 2014 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 09:57:14 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT: ALS Ice Bucket Challenge In-Reply-To: <8ED2A37CFAC7D942985D084BE65734556C43B020@DSXMBX3HE.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <8ED2A37CFAC7D942985D084BE65734556C43B020@DSXMBX3HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: > On Aug 25, 2014, at 8:15 AM, Best, George wrote: > > Yesterday I helped my daughter and son-in-law complete their ice bucket challenge. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MdRLhWuYzs&feature=youtu.be Fun video. But did you help them log on to the web page and DONATE? Since you were in the video, then YOU need to donate, too, George. You still have a job so there?s no excuse. www.alsa.org From George.Best at adp.com Mon Aug 25 10:27:02 2014 From: George.Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 17:27:02 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT: ALS Ice Bucket Challenge In-Reply-To: References: <8ED2A37CFAC7D942985D084BE65734556C43B020@DSXMBX3HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <8ED2A37CFAC7D942985D084BE65734556C43C253@DSXMBX3HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Rob, Way ahead of you! I'm already signed up as a walker/fund raiser for the Portland ALS walk next month. I good friend of ours and ex-neighbor found out the beginning of this year that he has ALS, so the fund raising for ALS research has really become a lot more personal for me. His team is "Mayers Minions". Both myself "George Best" and my wife "Kathryn Best" are registered for the fund raising walk. If anyone would like to contribute in my name that would be great as my wife is kicking my butt as a fund raiser. Unfortunately, I don't have a handy link for you to click on but at the WWW.ALSA.ORG website if you search for me you can eventually find me as one of Mayers Minions. Thanks. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rob Skinner Sent: Monday, August 25, 2014 9:57 AM To: SEL ATIS Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: ALS Ice Bucket Challenge > On Aug 25, 2014, at 8:15 AM, Best, George wrote: > > Yesterday I helped my daughter and son-in-law complete their ice bucket challenge. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MdRLhWuYzs&feature=youtu.be Fun video. But did you help them log on to the web page and DONATE? Since you were in the video, then YOU need to donate, too, George. You still have a job so there?s no excuse. www.alsa.org _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From rob at rustyiron.com Mon Aug 25 10:33:25 2014 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 10:33:25 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT: ALS Ice Bucket Challenge In-Reply-To: <8ED2A37CFAC7D942985D084BE65734556C43C253@DSXMBX3HE.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <8ED2A37CFAC7D942985D084BE65734556C43B020@DSXMBX3HE.ds.ad.adp.com> <8ED2A37CFAC7D942985D084BE65734556C43C253@DSXMBX3HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <922A7248-C893-4CEA-9948-A272BC075642@rustyiron.com> > On Aug 25, 2014, at 10:27 AM, Best, George wrote: > > Rob, > > Way ahead of you! > > I'm already signed up as a walker/fund raiser for the Portland ALS walk next month. > > I good friend of ours and ex-neighbor found out the beginning of this year that he has ALS, so the fund raising for ALS research has really become a lot more personal for me. > > His team is "Mayers Minions". > Both myself "George Best" and my wife "Kathryn Best" are registered for the fund raising walk. > > If anyone would like to contribute in my name that would be great as my wife is kicking my butt as a fund raiser. > > Unfortunately, I don't have a handy link for you to click on but at the WWW.ALSA.ORG website if you search for me you can eventually find me as one of Mayers Minions. > > Thanks. > > George Good on ya, George. I chose to NOT dump water on my head. Instead, the challenge I chose for myself is to call out everyone who posts a video and neglects to mention an link where others can donate. Rob From zarco at sonic.net Mon Aug 25 11:47:43 2014 From: zarco at sonic.net (Steve) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 11:47:43 -0700 Subject: [SEL] earthquake Message-ID: <001301cfc095$108c8b60$236294d1@starwars> I'm in Santa Rosa, CA which is not far from the epicenter. We had quite a shake. About 1" of water sloshed out of the pool, a few items fell off shelves but no structural damage or natural gas leaks here. It was a rude awakening (3:20 AM)! The folks in and around Napa were hit quite hard. Lots of wine lost...doubt many will be crying in their beer about THAT. Not as bad as the 1989 Loma Prieta quake which was further away but much stronger. Steve From rotigel at me.com Mon Aug 25 13:02:50 2014 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 16:02:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] PORTLAND In-Reply-To: <12e9c.796ad257.412c9d7b@aol.com> References: <12e9c.796ad257.412c9d7b@aol.com> Message-ID: <2CAFA2D1-09AC-4F8D-BE16-F48413DCFFE1@me.com> That doll NEVER left Reg's bed the WHOLE time he (they?) was (were) at Portland! Dave On Aug 25, 2014, at 10:08 AM, STB440 at aol.com wrote: > Dam Reg you stepped right into that one. Must have just gotten out of bed. > > Tom > > > In a message dated 8/24/2014 11:18:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > regingold3 at gmail.com writes: > > Ha! I should have expected that from you!!! VBG > > > On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 10:38 AM, David Rotigel wrote: > >> That is probably a better idea that the damn blow up doll you brought > last >> time you were here! >> Dave >> >> On Aug 24, 2014, at 7:39 PM, Reg Ingold > wrote: >> >>> I too, put off thoughts of coming over this year as I want to be at the >> 50th >>> event. >>> Do you think I should bring a blow up boat as luggage? >>> Reg & Marg Ingold >>> Newcastle. NSW. Australia >>> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >>> >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------- >>> From: "Arnie Fero" >>> Sent: Monday, August 25, 2014 8:24 AM >>> To: >>> Cc: "List SEL" ; "list oldengine" >>> >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] PORTLAND >>> >>>> G'day Reg, >>>> >>>> Portland was NOT a washout. A few folks who set up in the "lowlands" >>>> had their flywheels underwater for a day until things drained, but >>>> that was about it. During the day we just had a couple showers to >>>> knock down the dust. There were the usual mud bogs in the sale area >>>> and the idiots with golf carts and Gators who delighted in churning >>>> up the mud, but otherwise it was a GREAT show. I can't wait till the >>>> 50th!! >>>> >>>> See ya, Arnie >>>> >>>> On Sun, August 24, 2014 4:25 am, Reg Ingold wrote: >>>>> I just saw pics of the show on facebook! That would have to be about >> the >>>>> biggest washout yet!!!! >>>>> It makes the 'shower' we had at the 'Our Town' model show seem like a >>>>> minor damp! >>>>> >>>>> Reg & Marg Ingold >>>>> Newcastle. NSW. Australia >>>>> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >>>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > > -- > Reg & Marg Ingold > Newcastle.NSW. Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rob at rustyiron.com Mon Aug 25 14:11:16 2014 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 14:11:16 -0700 Subject: [SEL] earthquake In-Reply-To: <001301cfc095$108c8b60$236294d1@starwars> References: <001301cfc095$108c8b60$236294d1@starwars> Message-ID: > On Aug 25, 2014, at 11:47 AM, Steve wrote: > > I'm in Santa Rosa, CA which is not far from the epicenter. We had quite a > shake. About 1" of water sloshed out of the pool, a few items fell off > shelves but no structural damage or natural gas leaks here. It was > a rude awakening (3:20 AM)! The folks in and around Napa were > hit quite hard. Lots of wine lost...doubt many will be crying in their > beer about THAT. Not as bad as the 1989 Loma Prieta quake > which was further away but much stronger. > Steve Glad to hear you?re ok, Steve. From your report, it?s safe to assume that the taps will still flow at the Russian River Brewing Company. From swebre at hotmail.com Mon Aug 25 15:17:43 2014 From: swebre at hotmail.com (Steve Webre) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 22:17:43 +0000 Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 125, Issue 17 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > Hey Steve the ice cream was awesome as usual!>Sent from my iPhone >Jim Thanks Jim! We'll do it again next year. -Steve- From r7734g at hotmail.com Mon Aug 25 20:31:47 2014 From: r7734g at hotmail.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 20:31:47 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT Electric Fork Lift specs needed In-Reply-To: <771912188.16572561408909305678.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11> References: <535236616.16569241408907591347.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>, <771912188.16572561408909305678.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11> Message-ID: Curt I don't know the specifics for your machine but the lifting capacity should give you a close estimate. Most 5000 lb forklifts weigh a little over 8000 lbs. I suspect if you keep the same ratio and scale the numbers you will get a reasonable answer. If the lift has a 3000 lb capacity then apply the 1.6:1 ratio and you get 4800 lbs. I would round up for good measure and guess 5000 lbs. Others may pooh-pooh my suggestion but it is better than no specs at all. Ron > Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2014 14:41:45 -0500 > From: cgandree at mchsi.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; stationary-engine at oldengine.org > Subject: [SEL] OT Electric Fork Lift specs needed > > I am looking for a spec sheet for a Raymond Electric lift truck that belongs to my conservation club. We will be moving to a new storage building soon and we have a farmer willing to to lift it on to our trailer to move. Because it does not have enough power to ride up the ramps nor on rough ground we need help to put it on the trailer. The farmer lives several miles away and doesn't want to make the drive if its too heavy for his tractor and loader. The brand name is Raymond. I have located their website but it only gives specs for how heavy a capacity it will lift not its actual weight. Because it is very old but still works the only serial tag on it says: 851-W3RTT-610. So not sure if that is the actual model number. > Any help would be appreciated. > Thanks in advance, > Curt Andree > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bakermonitor1932 at hotmail.com Tue Aug 26 10:33:10 2014 From: bakermonitor1932 at hotmail.com (Devin Holland) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 13:33:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT Electric Fork Lift specs Message-ID: Curt I went looking for information on a Raymond w3rtt loader and found 2 for sale. http://www.hermanstools.com/view-listing.php?id=2099 http://www.govdeals.com/index.cfm?fa=Main.Item&rd&itemID=593&acctID=453 I was unable to find a manual for these but was able to look up the current model and its manual. http://www.raymondcorp.com/RRS-Stacker It is supposed to weigh 4450 as your machine is older it will probably be a little heavier due to advances in batterys. Devin Holland From mr at carolina.rr.com Wed Aug 27 14:49:11 2014 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 17:49:11 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT: ALS Ice Bucket Challenge In-Reply-To: <8ED2A37CFAC7D942985D084BE65734556C43B020@DSXMBX3HE.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <8ED2A37CFAC7D942985D084BE65734556C43B020@DSXMBX3HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <6BBC1621C7EA4C97A231EEC0D5FFE323@RoysterPC> Very cool! -----Original Message----- From: Best, George Sent: Monday, August 25, 2014 11:15 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] OT: ALS Ice Bucket Challenge Yesterday I helped my daughter and son-in-law complete their ice bucket challenge. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MdRLhWuYzs&feature=youtu.be This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Frank at lbpinc.com Thu Aug 28 08:49:04 2014 From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt LBP) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 11:49:04 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Rough and Tumble In-Reply-To: <206955338.48746.1406576240482.JavaMail.root@vznit170070> References: <206955338.48746.1406576240482.JavaMail.root@vznit170070> Message-ID: <53FF4F70.6060707@lbpinc.com> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WECWMP5vNIU A good video (not mine) of R&T this year. It was a great show. wide variety of equipment, perfect weather, great people. BTW These people really know how to treat exhibitors. Besides the free admision and the other stuff they provided free baked goods, coffee, ice tea and water for exhibitors all day every day. Frank -- The question is not, who uses faith and who uses reason? Everyone uses both. The question instead should be, who has the most reasonable faith?? ? J.F. Baldwin HONOR GOD SERVE PEOPLE DEVELOP EXCELLENCE GROW PROFITABLE FOLLOWING BIBLICAL PRINCIPLES Frank DeWitt | mailto:frank at lbpinc.com Mechanical Design | Phone: 585 624 3052 LBP INC. | Fax 585 624 1038 2365 Cox Rd. | Bloomfield NY 14469 |Web http://www.lbpinc.com/ From Frank at lbpinc.com Thu Aug 28 09:35:52 2014 From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt LBP) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 12:35:52 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Rough and Tumble In-Reply-To: <53FF4F70.6060707@lbpinc.com> References: <206955338.48746.1406576240482.JavaMail.root@vznit170070> <53FF4F70.6060707@lbpinc.com> Message-ID: <53FF5A68.6080204@lbpinc.com> There are quite a few good videos of this years show. Here is a link to a you tube search https://www.youtube.com/results?filters=month&search_query=rough+and+tumble+2014&lclk=month Everything from tiny models to steam shovels https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFsbbWZ-PQg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCbLJOupBOo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNJixBYnnUE On 8/28/2014 11:49 AM, Frank DeWitt LBP wrote: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WECWMP5vNIU > > A good video (not mine) of R&T this year. It was a great show. wide > variety of equipment, perfect weather, great people. > > BTW These people really know how to treat exhibitors. Besides the free > admision and the other stuff they provided free baked goods, coffee, ice > tea and water for exhibitors all day every day. > > Frank > > -- The question is not, who uses faith and who uses reason? Everyone uses both. The question instead should be, who has the most reasonable faith?? ? J.F. Baldwin HONOR GOD SERVE PEOPLE DEVELOP EXCELLENCE GROW PROFITABLE FOLLOWING BIBLICAL PRINCIPLES Frank DeWitt | mailto:frank at lbpinc.com Mechanical Design | Phone: 585 624 3052 LBP INC. | Fax 585 624 1038 2365 Cox Rd. | Bloomfield NY 14469 |Web http://www.lbpinc.com/ From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 28 10:18:32 2014 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 10:18:32 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Rough and Tumble In-Reply-To: <53FF4F70.6060707@lbpinc.com> References: <206955338.48746.1406576240482.JavaMail.root@vznit170070> <53FF4F70.6060707@lbpinc.com> Message-ID: <1409246312.35249.YahooMailNeo@web140601.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Did you see how they were running that wooden barrel washing machine? The belt was inside the flywheel like it might have been just running on the crank shaft. I need to find one I can afford or build one for our local show. Alan in Michigan ________________________________ From: Frank DeWitt LBP To: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 11:49 AM Subject: [SEL] Rough and Tumble https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WECWMP5vNIU A good video (not mine) of R&T this year. It was a great show. wide variety of equipment, perfect weather, great people. BTW These people really know how to treat exhibitors. Besides the free admision and the other stuff they provided free baked goods, coffee, ice tea and water for exhibitors all day every day. Frank -- The question is not, who uses faith and who uses reason? Everyone uses both. The question instead should be, who has the most reasonable faith?? ? J.F. Baldwin HONOR GOD SERVE PEOPLE DEVELOP EXCELLENCE GROW PROFITABLE FOLLOWING BIBLICAL PRINCIPLES ? ? Frank DeWitt? ? ? ? ? |? mailto:frank at lbpinc.com ? ? Mechanical Design? ? ? |? Phone:? 585 624 3052 ? ? LBP? INC.? ? ? ? ? ? ? |? Fax? ? 585 624 1038 ? ? 2365 Cox Rd.? ? ? ? ? | ? ? Bloomfield NY 14469? ? |Web? http://www.lbpinc.com/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Jim at hardmanfamily.net Thu Aug 28 10:48:19 2014 From: Jim at hardmanfamily.net (Jim Hardman) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 13:48:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Rough and Tumble In-Reply-To: <53FF5A68.6080204@lbpinc.com> References: <206955338.48746.1406576240482.JavaMail.root@vznit170070><53FF4F70.6060707@lbpinc.com> <53FF5A68.6080204@lbpinc.com> Message-ID: <87D39B7B24944D04A6FCD624ED5049CC@JamesDesktop> Frank, and everyone... Rough and Tumble is one of the better shows in the country, and perhaps the very best for steam enthusiasts. We attended, and exhibited there for over thirty five years. And it was geared to family involvement; our grand children said it was their favorite week of the year. R&T's revised rules regarding "no parking" near one's exhibit forced many of us out. And the rule of "no selling from one's exhibit space" was the clincher. We always had excess stuff to sell... spark plugs, oilers, coil boxes, etc. Admittedly, the folks who came solely to sell had to go out into the hot sun across the road... and these flea market folk felt like outcasts. The new rules are not all bad... but in total, the flavor of the show changed for the old-timers. Leaving models and exhibit stuff unattended while one went to park the car seemed unreasonable to a lot of exhibitors. The steam side of this show is unsurpassed. Dozens of behemoths under steam. A superior model building. Wonderful permanent displays both of steam and IC engines. Many of the regulars at Coolspring are in attendance at R&T. The "big engine" exhibits are worth seeing. Just watch these videos. I recall entering the big permanent display building and seeing a nearly completed steam engine in the final stages of reconstruction. It was magnificent except for the color... a brilliant day-glow chartreuse. I quietly said to my wife "Who could have chosen that color..." and a voice from under the flywheel answered "I did!" Shut me up quick. Frank, these videos tell the tale. This is still a great show. And the food was wonderful. Right in the middle of Pennsylvania Dutch country, the baked goods brought in from local farms and the fresh melons were a daily treat. Show attendance dropped after the new rules were imposed, but it is obvious that attendance remains strong. The traffic on Route 30 past the grounds is still a buster, stop-and-go for several miles is no fun. Frank, thanks for the good memories. Every night our family would go out to dinner at the Harvest Inn smelling of hot oil and coal smoke. Happy memories indeed! Jim in Vermont ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank DeWitt LBP" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 12:35 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Rough and Tumble > There are quite a few good videos of this years show. Here is a link to > a you tube search > > https://www.youtube.com/results?filters=month&search_query=rough+and+tumble+2014&lclk=month > > Everything from tiny models to steam shovels > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFsbbWZ-PQg > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCbLJOupBOo > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNJixBYnnUE > > On 8/28/2014 11:49 AM, Frank DeWitt LBP wrote: >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WECWMP5vNIU >> >> A good video (not mine) of R&T this year. It was a great show. wide >> variety of equipment, perfect weather, great people. >> >> BTW These people really know how to treat exhibitors. Besides the free >> admision and the other stuff they provided free baked goods, coffee, ice >> tea and water for exhibitors all day every day. >> >> Frank >> >> > > -- > The question is not, who uses faith and who uses reason? Everyone uses > both. The question instead should be, who has the most reasonable faith?? > > ? J.F. Baldwin > > HONOR GOD > SERVE PEOPLE > DEVELOP EXCELLENCE > GROW PROFITABLE > FOLLOWING BIBLICAL PRINCIPLES > > Frank DeWitt | mailto:frank at lbpinc.com > Mechanical Design | Phone: 585 624 3052 > LBP INC. | Fax 585 624 1038 > 2365 Cox Rd. | > Bloomfield NY 14469 |Web http://www.lbpinc.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at me.com Thu Aug 28 11:04:42 2014 From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 14:04:42 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Test Message-ID: <9790F7C3-6D32-4D73-89C1-BC1430FE9945@me.com> Only a TEST. From Frank at lbpinc.com Thu Aug 28 11:08:42 2014 From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt LBP) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 14:08:42 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Rough and Tumble In-Reply-To: <1409246312.35249.YahooMailNeo@web140601.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <206955338.48746.1406576240482.JavaMail.root@vznit170070> <53FF4F70.6060707@lbpinc.com> <1409246312.35249.YahooMailNeo@web140601.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <53FF702A.7010903@lbpinc.com> Look at 6:13 on the youtube. There is a second shaft on that engine with a pulley. Frank On 8/28/2014 1:18 PM, Alan wrote: > Did you see how they were running that wooden barrel washing machine? > The belt was inside the flywheel like it might have been just running on the crank shaft. > I need to find one I can afford or build one for our local show. > Alan in Michigan > > > > ________________________________ > From: Frank DeWitt LBP > To: The SEL email discussion list > Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 11:49 AM > Subject: [SEL] Rough and Tumble > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WECWMP5vNIU > > A good video (not mine) of R&T this year. It was a great show. wide > variety of equipment, perfect weather, great people. > > BTW These people really know how to treat exhibitors. Besides the free > admision and the other stuff they provided free baked goods, coffee, ice > tea and water for exhibitors all day every day. > > Frank > > -- The question is not, who uses faith and who uses reason? Everyone uses both. The question instead should be, who has the most reasonable faith?? ? J.F. Baldwin HONOR GOD SERVE PEOPLE DEVELOP EXCELLENCE GROW PROFITABLE FOLLOWING BIBLICAL PRINCIPLES Frank DeWitt | mailto:frank at lbpinc.com Mechanical Design | Phone: 585 624 3052 LBP INC. | Fax 585 624 1038 2365 Cox Rd. | Bloomfield NY 14469 |Web http://www.lbpinc.com/ From jnyost at yahoo.com Thu Aug 28 11:23:45 2014 From: jnyost at yahoo.com (Jim Yost) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 14:23:45 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Test In-Reply-To: <9790F7C3-6D32-4D73-89C1-BC1430FE9945@me.com> References: <9790F7C3-6D32-4D73-89C1-BC1430FE9945@me.com> Message-ID: <015C5B96-A34D-493D-BECE-085A0F3A2E26@yahoo.com> U passed the ohio test Sent from my iPhone Jim > On Aug 28, 2014, at 2:04 PM, Dave Rotigel wrote: > > Only a TEST. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Frank at lbpinc.com Thu Aug 28 11:34:31 2014 From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt LBP) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 14:34:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Rough and Tumble In-Reply-To: <87D39B7B24944D04A6FCD624ED5049CC@JamesDesktop> References: <206955338.48746.1406576240482.JavaMail.root@vznit170070><53FF4F70.6060707@lbpinc.com> <53FF5A68.6080204@lbpinc.com> <87D39B7B24944D04A6FCD624ED5049CC@JamesDesktop> Message-ID: <53FF7637.6030405@lbpinc.com> Thanks for the background. I have attended for 3 years now so I am beginning to pick up some history and it agrees with what you have written. BTW I think I was lucky that I have been attending on the up swing and was not there at the low point. There is a big show near my home (Pageant of Steam) and I like it but asked my self why I like R&T better. One think I came up with is the no cars in the exhibit area rule! I was amazed at my self because I am one of the people who needs to leave my exhibit and park my car and it was a rule that delayed my attending R&T for a few years. What I realized is that at R&T I walk from one engine to the next with nothing in between but engines When I look out over the grounds all I see is old iron. At Pageant of Steam I look at a engine, then walk past a 40 ft RV and look at another engine. A lot more walking and a lot less eye candy. This year R&T has a new president and the word is that he is much more non steam friendly. One sign of this is a new building that has been set up on the grounds and staffed by volunteers to do nothing but sell stuff for exhibitors. You give them your stuff with the price and a cell number if you like, they display it, sell it and take the money for you. Another small sign of a attitude of caring about people is that the show hires two people to do nothing but keep the rest rooms clean all day every day. I have never seen that at a engine show. BTW The flea market is still separate but it is down the hill (same grounds) next to the private camp site. Lots of trees. BBTW I figured out a trick last year for these shows without your vehicle. I take a second cooler and put all that stuff that is usually in the car in it. Papers, cards, camera, sunscreen, all that stuff we need. I don't miss the car like I thought I would. http://www.roughandtumble.org/groundsmap On 8/28/2014 1:48 PM, Jim Hardman wrote: > Frank, and everyone... > > Rough and Tumble is one of the better shows in the country, and perhaps the > very best for steam enthusiasts. We attended, and exhibited there for over > thirty five years. And it was geared to family involvement; our grand > children said it was their favorite week of the year. > > R&T's revised rules regarding "no parking" near one's exhibit forced many of > us out. And the rule of "no selling from one's exhibit space" was the > clincher. We always had excess stuff to sell... spark plugs, oilers, coil > boxes, etc. > > Admittedly, the folks who came solely to sell had to go out into the hot sun > across the road... and these flea market folk felt like outcasts. The new > rules are not all bad... but in total, the flavor of the show changed for > the old-timers. Leaving models and exhibit stuff unattended while one went > to park the car seemed unreasonable to a lot of exhibitors. > > The steam side of this show is unsurpassed. Dozens of behemoths under > steam. A superior model building. Wonderful permanent displays both of > steam and IC engines. Many of the regulars at Coolspring are in attendance > at R&T. The "big engine" exhibits are worth seeing. Just watch these > videos. > > I recall entering the big permanent display building and seeing a nearly > completed steam engine in the final stages of reconstruction. It was > magnificent except for the color... a brilliant day-glow chartreuse. I > quietly said to my wife "Who could have chosen that color..." and a voice > from under the flywheel answered "I did!" Shut me up quick. > > Frank, these videos tell the tale. This is still a great show. And the > food was wonderful. Right in the middle of Pennsylvania Dutch country, the > baked goods brought in from local farms and the fresh melons were a daily > treat. > > Show attendance dropped after the new rules were imposed, but it is obvious > that attendance remains strong. The traffic on Route 30 past the grounds is > still a buster, stop-and-go for several miles is no fun. > > Frank, thanks for the good memories. Every night our family would go out to > dinner at the Harvest Inn smelling of hot oil and coal smoke. Happy > memories indeed! > > Jim in Vermont > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Frank DeWitt LBP" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 12:35 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Rough and Tumble > > > >> There are quite a few good videos of this years show. Here is a link to >> a you tube search >> >> https://www.youtube.com/results?filters=month&search_query=rough+and+tumble+2014&lclk=month >> >> Everything from tiny models to steam shovels >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFsbbWZ-PQg >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCbLJOupBOo >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNJixBYnnUE >> >> On 8/28/2014 11:49 AM, Frank DeWitt LBP wrote: >> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WECWMP5vNIU >>> >>> A good video (not mine) of R&T this year. It was a great show. wide >>> variety of equipment, perfect weather, great people. >>> >>> BTW These people really know how to treat exhibitors. Besides the free >>> admision and the other stuff they provided free baked goods, coffee, ice >>> tea and water for exhibitors all day every day. >>> >>> Frank >>> >>> >>> >> -- >> The question is not, who uses faith and who uses reason? Everyone uses >> both. The question instead should be, who has the most reasonable faith?? >> >> ? J.F. Baldwin >> >> HONOR GOD >> SERVE PEOPLE >> DEVELOP EXCELLENCE >> GROW PROFITABLE >> FOLLOWING BIBLICAL PRINCIPLES >> >> Frank DeWitt | mailto:frank at lbpinc.com >> Mechanical Design | Phone: 585 624 3052 >> LBP INC. | Fax 585 624 1038 >> 2365 Cox Rd. | >> Bloomfield NY 14469 |Web http://www.lbpinc.com/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -- The question is not, who uses faith and who uses reason? Everyone uses both. The question instead should be, who has the most reasonable faith?? ? J.F. Baldwin HONOR GOD SERVE PEOPLE DEVELOP EXCELLENCE GROW PROFITABLE FOLLOWING BIBLICAL PRINCIPLES Frank DeWitt | mailto:frank at lbpinc.com Mechanical Design | Phone: 585 624 3052 LBP INC. | Fax 585 624 1038 2365 Cox Rd. | Bloomfield NY 14469 |Web http://www.lbpinc.com/ From wilson at stny.rr.com Thu Aug 28 12:36:24 2014 From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 15:36:24 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Rough and Tumble In-Reply-To: <53FF7637.6030405@lbpinc.com> References: <206955338.48746.1406576240482.JavaMail.root@vznit170070> <53FF4F70.6060707@lbpinc.com> <53FF5A68.6080204@lbpinc.com> <87D39B7B24944D04A6FCD624ED5049CC@JamesDesktop> <53FF7637.6030405@lbpinc.com> Message-ID: I haven't attended our local show in 20+ years because it is basically an RV show with a few maytags and a a few other odd engines. I remember the western NY show being pretty good. I paid for life dues then life changed. How ironic! But RV shows with low engine count suck for the viewer. Glenn Wilson Endicott, NY www.WilsonsWarbler.com On Aug 28, 2014, at 2:34 PM, Frank DeWitt LBP wrote: Thanks for the background. I have attended for 3 years now so I am beginning to pick up some history and it agrees with what you have written. BTW I think I was lucky that I have been attending on the up swing and was not there at the low point. There is a big show near my home (Pageant of Steam) and I like it but asked my self why I like R&T better. One think I came up with is the no cars in the exhibit area rule! I was amazed at my self because I am one of the people who needs to leave my exhibit and park my car and it was a rule that delayed my attending R&T for a few years. What I realized is that at R&T I walk from one engine to the next with nothing in between but engines When I look out over the grounds all I see is old iron. At Pageant of Steam I look at a engine, then walk past a 40 ft RV and look at another engine. A lot more walking and a lot less eye candy. This year R&T has a new president and the word is that he is much more non steam friendly. One sign of this is a new building that has been set up on the grounds and staffed by volunteers to do nothing but sell stuff for exhibitors. You give them your stuff with the price and a cell number if you like, they display it, sell it and take the money for you. Another small sign of a attitude of caring about people is that the show hires two people to do nothing but keep the rest rooms clean all day every day. I have never seen that at a engine show. BTW The flea market is still separate but it is down the hill (same grounds) next to the private camp site. Lots of trees. BBTW I figured out a trick last year for these shows without your vehicle. I take a second cooler and put all that stuff that is usually in the car in it. Papers, cards, camera, sunscreen, all that stuff we need. I don't miss the car like I thought I would. http://www.roughandtumble.org/groundsmap > On 8/28/2014 1:48 PM, Jim Hardman wrote: > Frank, and everyone... > > Rough and Tumble is one of the better shows in the country, and perhaps the > very best for steam enthusiasts. We attended, and exhibited there for over > thirty five years. And it was geared to family involvement; our grand > children said it was their favorite week of the year. > > R&T's revised r From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 28 15:26:56 2014 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 15:26:56 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Rough and Tumble In-Reply-To: <53FF702A.7010903@lbpinc.com> References: <206955338.48746.1406576240482.JavaMail.root@vznit170070> <53FF4F70.6060707@lbpinc.com> <1409246312.35249.YahooMailNeo@web140601.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <53FF702A.7010903@lbpinc.com> Message-ID: <1409264816.91331.YahooMailNeo@web140604.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Yes, I finally got it to stop in the right position. It must be a pulley powered by the cam shaft. I do not believe I have seen one like that. Really a shame that show is on the same time as ours at Buckley. I would love to visit that show. Alan in Michigan ________________________________ From: Frank DeWitt LBP To: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 2:08 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Rough and Tumble Look at 6:13 on the youtube. There is a second shaft on that engine with a pulley. Frank On 8/28/2014 1:18 PM, Alan wrote: > Did you see how they were running that wooden barrel washing machine? > The belt was inside the flywheel like it might have been just running on the crank shaft. > I need to find one I can afford or build one for our local show. > Alan in Michigan > > > > ________________________________ > From: Frank DeWitt LBP > To: The SEL email discussion list > Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 11:49 AM > Subject: [SEL] Rough and Tumble > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WECWMP5vNIU > > A good video (not mine) of R&T this year. It was a great show. wide > variety of equipment, perfect weather, great people. > > BTW These people really know how to treat exhibitors. Besides the free > admision and the other stuff they provided free baked goods, coffee, ice > tea and water for exhibitors all day every day. > > Frank > > -- The question is not, who uses faith and who uses reason? Everyone uses both. The question instead should be, who has the most reasonable faith?? ? J.F. Baldwin HONOR GOD SERVE PEOPLE DEVELOP EXCELLENCE GROW PROFITABLE FOLLOWING BIBLICAL PRINCIPLES Frank DeWitt | mailto:frank at lbpinc.com Mechanical Design | Phone: 585 624 3052 LBP INC. | Fax 585 624 1038 2365 Cox Rd. | Bloomfield NY 14469 |Web http://www.lbpinc.com/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ozengine at iinet.net.au Thu Aug 28 16:08:56 2014 From: ozengine at iinet.net.au (Kerry) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2014 09:08:56 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Rough and Tumble In-Reply-To: <53FF7637.6030405@lbpinc.com> References: <206955338.48746.1406576240482.JavaMail.root@vznit170070><53FF4F70.6060707@lbpinc.com> <53FF5A68.6080204@lbpinc.com> <87D39B7B24944D04A6FCD624ED5049CC@JamesDesktop> <53FF7637.6030405@lbpinc.com> Message-ID: <53FFB688.1000503@iinet.net.au> G'Day Frank Visited R&T in 2001, it was a great show and the best operational steam display I have seen, the Shay loco running around the outside was a pleasure to see. They had some rare oil/gas engines on display with the Crossleys etc. and I totally enjoyed my time there and met up with Tom Sch??, his wife and Bill Lopoulos (are you both still on the list) On the topic of vehicles near displays, I have visited engine shows all over the world, and most thankfully did not have vehicles near displays, some have had vehicles parked well behind the display and generally it is not a problem, but a couple of shows in the US had vehicles parked everywhere, which as a visitor took away from the enjoyment of seeing old equipment running, I did not go to the show to see motor homes, pick ups and trailers, that with Americans need not to walk even a few meters by using their butt buggy's is a real turn off for me. Hopefully will see some American iron and meet up with some great people next year. All the best Kerry On 29/08/2014 4:34 AM, Frank DeWitt LBP wrote: > Thanks for the background. I have attended for 3 years now so I am > beginning to pick up some history and it agrees with what you have > written. BTW I think I was lucky that I have been attending on the up > swing and was not there at the low point. > > There is a big show near my home (Pageant of Steam) and I like it but > asked my self why I like R&T better. One think I came up with is the no > cars in the exhibit area rule! I was amazed at my self because I am > one of the people who needs to leave my exhibit and park my car and it > was a rule that delayed my attending R&T for a few years. What I > realized is that at R&T I walk from one engine to the next with nothing > in between but engines When I look out over the grounds all I see is old > iron. At Pageant of Steam I look at a engine, then walk past a 40 ft RV > and look at another engine. A lot more walking and a lot less eye candy. > > This year R&T has a new president and the word is that he is much more > non steam friendly. One sign of this is a new building that has been > set up on the grounds and staffed by volunteers to do nothing but sell > stuff for exhibitors. You give them your stuff with the price and a > cell number if you like, they display it, sell it and take the money for > you. Another small sign of a attitude of caring about people is that > the show hires two people to do nothing but keep the rest rooms clean > all day every day. I have never seen that at a engine show. > > BTW The flea market is still separate but it is down the hill (same > grounds) next to the private camp site. Lots of trees. > > BBTW I figured out a trick last year for these shows without your > vehicle. I take a second cooler and put all that stuff that is usually > in the car in it. Papers, cards, camera, sunscreen, all that stuff we > need. I don't miss the car like I thought I would. > > -- Kerry Morris Tangye Engine Registrar 0400421133 Web Page. www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/ From Germoamer at aol.com Fri Aug 29 06:07:02 2014 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2014 09:07:02 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Rough and Tumble Message-ID: <77448.360aa769.4131d4f6@aol.com> In a message dated 8/28/2014 7:18:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ozengine at iinet.net.au writes: I totally enjoyed my time there and met up with Tom Sch??, his wife and Bill Lopoulos (are you both still on the list) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------ Yes Kerry I am still here, but mostly a lurker. My wife and I attended the R and T show for 5 years in a row and were there from Wednesday till Sunday morning, met a lot of nice people from around the world, and always had a good time. We traveled about 6 hours to get there, had the trailer loaded with a 6 or 7 hp engine on cart. Our truck was always loaded with clothes, rain coats, umbrellas, food , drinks, gas cans, Big Red Book, Gas Engine magazines, and other reference stuff, spare parts, tools, extra chairs, etc. We watched as engine folks children sleeping in tents beside the running engines grew older. If it had not been for a motor home allowed in at that time I would not have had the pleasure to see first hand, take photos, and put my hands on a very rare working salesman sample engine that had been to South America and back. It was always inside the motor home and was later sold for $40,000+ (Judge Tommy knows where it ended up). We watched as the tractor folks and the engine folks had conflicts. The tractor folks lined up their tractors in neat rows and wanted the engine folks to do the same. One morning they even changed the gate lock during the night so the engine folks could not drive their trucks in that morning. Now that was a confrontation to see! The engine folks cleaned up some of the fair grounds and the tractor folks would encroach on it. One of the biggest differences was the engine folks with their truck, motor home, trailer display disarray always had engines running and people ready to talk about the engines, how they worked, help get others involved in the hobby, etc. The tractor folks lined up their tractors and then disappeared for the most part. Why did I quit going to R&T? The last time there, they announced it very loudly, "your motor homes and trucks are not welcomed inside any more". Your vehicle will be parked out in never-never land -period! I kept up with that show and the engine displays went down hill after that. I am glad to hear that it is building up again. I attended a lot of shows in the Virginia/North Carolina area and from Florida to Pennsylvania, to Indiana. Most of those allowed vehicles by or very near the display. One of the biggest shows I attend is at Denton, NC that allows motor homes, trucks, everywhere in the engine area. Always engines running. The tractors are neatly lined up in another area doing nothing, and no owners around to discuss them with the spectator. My vote is to allow vehicles inside where space permits or parking very nearby the display! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at aol.com From Frank at lbpinc.com Fri Aug 29 07:25:37 2014 From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt LBP) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2014 10:25:37 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Rough and Tumble In-Reply-To: <77448.360aa769.4131d4f6@aol.com> References: <77448.360aa769.4131d4f6@aol.com> Message-ID: <54008D61.6000907@lbpinc.com> Here is a summery of this year from the R&T site. The 66th Threshermen's Reunion set more New Records in 2014. Another great weather week with no rain during the show and temperatures in the 70's! Fleamarket filled to capacity. Most exhibited equipment. Parking lot's filled to over flow capacity. Parade stands filled. The widest collection of parade machinery almost anywhere and over 35 steam engines running at the show. Even our new web site broke records with over 1,700 visitors per day during the reunion. In 2016 we will be featuring all types of Steam Traction Engines for the most ever on on display and running. I seem to have missed the bad years. I am blessed that I blunder through life missing the bad stuff and enjoying the good. One of the things I got to see this year was a one cylinder Oil Pull It DOES get better then this but for now life is very good. Frank -- The question is not, who uses faith and who uses reason? Everyone uses both. The question instead should be, who has the most reasonable faith?? ? J.F. Baldwin HONOR GOD SERVE PEOPLE DEVELOP EXCELLENCE GROW PROFITABLE FOLLOWING BIBLICAL PRINCIPLES Frank DeWitt | mailto:frank at lbpinc.com Mechanical Design | Phone: 585 624 3052 LBP INC. | Fax 585 624 1038 2365 Cox Rd. | Bloomfield NY 14469 |Web http://www.lbpinc.com/ From rob at rustyiron.com Fri Aug 29 12:31:00 2014 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2014 12:31:00 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Rough and Tumble In-Reply-To: <54008D61.6000907@lbpinc.com> References: <77448.360aa769.4131d4f6@aol.com> <54008D61.6000907@lbpinc.com> Message-ID: > On Aug 29, 2014, at 7:25 AM, Frank DeWitt LBP wrote: > > I am blessed that I blunder through > life missing the bad stuff and enjoying the good. One of the things I > got to see this year was a one cylinder Oil Pull > > It DOES get better then this but for now life is very good. > > Frank Right on, Frank. Everyone finds what they?re looking for. From Germoamer at aol.com Sat Aug 30 12:05:55 2014 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2014 15:05:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Re(Sel) Rough and Tumble Message-ID: I totally enjoyed my time there and met up with Tom Sch??, his wife and Bill Lopoulos (are you both still on the list) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------ Yes, Kerry I am still here but mostly a lurker My wife and I attended the R and T show for 5 years in a row and were there from Wednesday till Sunday morning, met a lot of nice people from around the world, and always had a good time. We traveled about 6 hours to get there, had the trailer loaded with a 6 or 7 hp engine on cart. Our truck was always loaded with clothes, rain coats, umbrellas, food , drinks, gas cans, Big Red Book, Gas Engine magazines, and other reference stuff, spare parts, tools, extra chairs, etc. We watched as engine folks children sleeping in tents beside the running engines grew older. If it had not been for a motor home allowed in at that time I would not have had the pleasure to see first hand, take photos, and put my hands on a very rare working salesman sample engine that had been to South America and back. It was always inside the motor home and was later sold for $40,000+ (Judge Tommy knows where it ended up). We watched as the tractor folks and the engine folks had conflicts. The tractor folks lined up their tractors in neat rows and wanted the engine folks to do the same. One morning they even changed the gate lock during the night so the engine folks could not drive their trucks in that morning. Now that was a confrontation to see! The engine folks cleaned up some of the fair grounds and the tractor folks would encroach on it. One of the biggest differences was the engine folks with their truck, motor home, trailer display disarray always had engines running and people ready to talk about the engines, how they worked, help get others involved in the hobby, etc. The tractor folks lined up their tractors and then disappeared for the most part. Why did I quit going to R&T? The last time there, they announced it very loudly, "your motor homes and trucks are not welcomed inside any more". Your vehicle will be parked out in never-never land -period! I kept up with that show and the engine displays went down hill after that. I am glad to hear that it is building up again. I attended a lot of shows in the Virginia/North Carolina area and from Florida to Pennsylvania, to Indiana. Most of those allowed vehicles by or very near the display. One of the biggest shows I attend is at Denton, NC that allows motor homes, trucks, everywhere in the engine area. Always engines running. The tractors are neatly lined up in another area doing nothing, and no owners around to discuss them with the spectator. My vote is to allow vehicles inside where space permits or parking very nearby the display! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at aol.com From ozengine at iinet.net.au Sat Aug 30 16:39:15 2014 From: ozengine at iinet.net.au (Kerry) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2014 09:39:15 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Re(Sel) Rough and Tumble In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <540260A3.8060305@iinet.net.au> G'Day Tom Great to hear from you again, was not totally sure of spelling your name correct so ???, and thought your wife's name was Millie but too long ago. Signs of the time we all are lurkers now, very little posts to SEL or ORG, I don't disagree with anything you say, people go to shows for different reasons but as a paying spectator all I am saying FOR ME is that vehicles parked alongside displays is distracting. In Australia no vehicle is allow in the display area and we camp not far away, no problems for us Tractor people have been an issue at a lot of clubs, ours no different, only been set up 3 years. totally by engine people now tractor people with different needs/wants are controlling the club and a lot of arguments have started. In Australia the lines of lifeless tractors have been fixed by their owners new craze, Tractor Trek, go for a convoy drive in the country so they put their fat asses in the seat and off they go to leave rows of SPACE for the paying public to see All the best Kerry On 31/08/2014 5:05 AM, Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > > I totally enjoyed my time there and met up with Tom Sch??, his wife > and Bill Lopoulos (are you both still on the list) > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------------------------------------ > > Yes, Kerry I am still here but mostly a lurker > > > My wife and I attended the R and T show for 5 years in a row and were there > from Wednesday till Sunday morning, met a lot of nice people from around > the world, and always had a good time. We traveled about 6 hours to get > there, had the trailer loaded with a 6 or 7 hp engine on cart. Our truck was > always loaded with clothes, rain coats, umbrellas, food , drinks, gas cans, > Big Red Book, Gas Engine magazines, and other reference stuff, spare > parts, tools, extra chairs, etc. > > We watched as engine folks children sleeping in tents beside the running > engines grew older. If it had not been for a motor home allowed in at that > time I would not have had the pleasure to see first hand, take photos, and > put my hands on a very rare working salesman sample engine that had been to > South America and back. It was always inside the motor home and was later > sold for $40,000+ (Judge Tommy knows where it ended up). > > We watched as the tractor folks and the engine folks had conflicts. The > tractor folks lined up their tractors in neat rows and wanted the engine > folks to do the same. One morning they even changed the gate lock during the > night so the engine folks could not drive their trucks in that morning. Now > that was a confrontation to see! The engine folks cleaned up some of the > fair grounds and the tractor folks would encroach on it. > > One of the biggest differences was the engine folks with their truck, motor > home, trailer display disarray always had engines running and people ready > to talk about the engines, how they worked, help get others involved in > the hobby, etc. The tractor folks lined up their tractors and then > disappeared for the most part. > > Why did I quit going to R&T? The last time there, they announced it very > loudly, "your motor homes and trucks are not welcomed inside any more". > Your vehicle will be parked out in never-never land -period! > I kept up with that show and the engine displays went down hill after > that. I am glad to hear that it is building up again. > > I attended a lot of shows in the Virginia/North Carolina area and from > Florida to Pennsylvania, to Indiana. Most of those allowed vehicles by or > very near the display. One of the biggest shows I attend is at Denton, NC > that allows motor homes, trucks, everywhere in the engine area. Always > engines running. The tractors are neatly lined up in another area doing > nothing, and no owners around to discuss them with the spectator. > > My vote is to allow vehicles inside where space permits or parking very > nearby the display! > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. > germoamer at aol.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- Kerry Morris Tangye Engine Registrar 0400421133 Web Page. www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/ From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sat Aug 30 19:00:02 2014 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2014 03:00:02 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Re(Sel) Rough and Tumble In-Reply-To: <540260A3.8060305@iinet.net.au> References: <540260A3.8060305@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <000001cfc4bf$486e4ea0$d94aebe0$@croft@ntlworld.com> Hi Kerry, I am no-longer driving so I seldom get to an engine show! I do remember just before 1959 when I took my Station Engines on my trailer to the rally site at Preston Lancashire. The bus & lorry historical firm were making new vehicles & testing them in the week on a new test track. They let us use the vehicle test site to a new show site! We set up the displace engines well but the second part was torrential rainfall & stationary Engines running one foot deep in water! When we needed to leave the site we needed three big tractors pulling our vehicle & trailer Over seas of mud to get them out. Happy Early Days! See http://www.madeinpreston.co.uk/Road/leylandinfo.html -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Kerry Sent: 31 August 2014 00:39 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Re(Sel) Rough and Tumble G'Day Tom Great to hear from you again, was not totally sure of spelling your name correct so ???, and thought your wife's name was Millie but too long ago. Signs of the time we all are lurkers now, very little posts to SEL or ORG, I don't disagree with anything you say, people go to shows for different reasons but as a paying spectator all I am saying FOR ME is that vehicles parked alongside displays is distracting. In Australia no vehicle is allow in the display area and we camp not far away, no problems for us Tractor people have been an issue at a lot of clubs, ours no different, only been set up 3 years. totally by engine people now tractor people with different needs/wants are controlling the club and a lot of arguments have started. In Australia the lines of lifeless tractors have been fixed by their owners new craze, Tractor Trek, go for a convoy drive in the country so they put their fat asses in the seat and off they go to leave rows of SPACE for the paying public to see All the best Kerry On 31/08/2014 5:05 AM, Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > > I totally enjoyed my time there and met up with Tom Sch??, his wife > and Bill Lopoulos (are you both still on the list) > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------------------------------------ > > Yes, Kerry I am still here but mostly a lurker > > > My wife and I attended the R and T show for 5 years in a row and were there > from Wednesday till Sunday morning, met a lot of nice people from around > the world, and always had a good time. We traveled about 6 hours to get > there, had the trailer loaded with a 6 or 7 hp engine on cart. Our truck was > always loaded with clothes, rain coats, umbrellas, food , drinks, gas cans, > Big Red Book, Gas Engine magazines, and other reference stuff, spare > parts, tools, extra chairs, etc. > > We watched as engine folks children sleeping in tents beside the running > engines grew older. If it had not been for a motor home allowed in at that > time I would not have had the pleasure to see first hand, take photos, and > put my hands on a very rare working salesman sample engine that had been to > South America and back. It was always inside the motor home and was later > sold for $40,000+ (Judge Tommy knows where it ended up). > > We watched as the tractor folks and the engine folks had conflicts. The > tractor folks lined up their tractors in neat rows and wanted the engine > folks to do the same. One morning they even changed the gate lock during the > night so the engine folks could not drive their trucks in that morning. Now > that was a confrontation to see! The engine folks cleaned up some of the > fair grounds and the tractor folks would encroach on it. > > One of the biggest differences was the engine folks with their truck, motor > home, trailer display disarray always had engines running and people ready > to talk about the engines, how they worked, help get others involved in > the hobby, etc. The tractor folks lined up their tractors and then > disappeared for the most part. > > Why did I quit going to R&T? The last time there, they announced it very > loudly, "your motor homes and trucks are not welcomed inside any more". > Your vehicle will be parked out in never-never land -period! > I kept up with that show and the engine displays went down hill after > that. I am glad to hear that it is building up again. > > I attended a lot of shows in the Virginia/North Carolina area and from > Florida to Pennsylvania, to Indiana. Most of those allowed vehicles by or > very near the display. One of the biggest shows I attend is at Denton, NC > that allows motor homes, trucks, everywhere in the engine area. Always > engines running. The tractors are neatly lined up in another area doing > nothing, and no owners around to discuss them with the spectator. > > My vote is to allow vehicles inside where space permits or parking very > nearby the display! > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. > germoamer at aol.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- Kerry Morris Tangye Engine Registrar 0400421133 Web Page. www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From camanedwina at hotmail.com Sun Aug 31 01:46:45 2014 From: camanedwina at hotmail.com (cameron_edwina grundy) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2014 18:46:45 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Re(Sel) Rough and Tumble In-Reply-To: <540260A3.8060305@iinet.net.au> References: <540260A3.8060305@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: Well said Kerry Sent from my iPhone > On 31 Aug 2014, at 9:48 am, "Kerry" wrote: > > G'Day Tom > Great to hear from you again, was not totally sure of spelling your name > correct so ???, and thought your wife's name was Millie but too long ago. > Signs of the time we all are lurkers now, very little posts to SEL or ORG, > > I don't disagree with anything you say, people go to shows for different > reasons but as a paying spectator all I am saying FOR ME is that > vehicles parked alongside displays is distracting. > In Australia no vehicle is allow in the display area and we camp not far > away, no problems for us > > Tractor people have been an issue at a lot of clubs, ours no different, > only been set up 3 years. totally by engine people now tractor people > with different needs/wants are controlling the club and a lot of > arguments have started. > > In Australia the lines of lifeless tractors have been fixed by their > owners new craze, Tractor Trek, go for a convoy drive in the country so > they put their fat asses in the seat and off they go to leave rows of > SPACE for the paying public to see > > All the best > Kerry > > > >> On 31/08/2014 5:05 AM, Germoamer at aol.com wrote: >> >> I totally enjoyed my time there and met up with Tom Sch??, his wife >> and Bill Lopoulos (are you both still on the list) >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> ------------------------------------------ >> >> Yes, Kerry I am still here but mostly a lurker >> >> >> My wife and I attended the R and T show for 5 years in a row and were there >> from Wednesday till Sunday morning, met a lot of nice people from around >> the world, and always had a good time. We traveled about 6 hours to get >> there, had the trailer loaded with a 6 or 7 hp engine on cart. Our truck was >> always loaded with clothes, rain coats, umbrellas, food , drinks, gas cans, >> Big Red Book, Gas Engine magazines, and other reference stuff, spare >> parts, tools, extra chairs, etc. >> >> We watched as engine folks children sleeping in tents beside the running >> engines grew older. If it had not been for a motor home allowed in at that >> time I would not have had the pleasure to see first hand, take photos, and >> put my hands on a very rare working salesman sample engine that had been to >> South America and back. It was always inside the motor home and was later >> sold for $40,000+ (Judge Tommy knows where it ended up). >> >> We watched as the tractor folks and the engine folks had conflicts. The >> tractor folks lined up their tractors in neat rows and wanted the engine >> folks to do the same. One morning they even changed the gate lock during the >> night so the engine folks could not drive their trucks in that morning. Now >> that was a confrontation to see! The engine folks cleaned up some of the >> fair grounds and the tractor folks would encroach on it. >> >> One of the biggest differences was the engine folks with their truck, motor >> home, trailer display disarray always had engines running and people ready >> to talk about the engines, how they worked, help get others involved in >> the hobby, etc. The tractor folks lined up their tractors and then >> disappeared for the most part. >> >> Why did I quit going to R&T? The last time there, they announced it very >> loudly, "your motor homes and trucks are not welcomed inside any more". >> Your vehicle will be parked out in never-never land -period! >> I kept up with that show and the engine displays went down hill after >> that. I am glad to hear that it is building up again. >> >> I attended a lot of shows in the Virginia/North Carolina area and from >> Florida to Pennsylvania, to Indiana. Most of those allowed vehicles by or >> very near the display. One of the biggest shows I attend is at Denton, NC >> that allows motor homes, trucks, everywhere in the engine area. Always >> engines running. The tractors are neatly lined up in another area doing >> nothing, and no owners around to discuss them with the spectator. >> >> My vote is to allow vehicles inside where space permits or parking very >> nearby the display! >> >> Tom Schmutz >> Concord, Va. >> germoamer at aol.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- > Kerry Morris > Tangye Engine Registrar > 0400421133 > Web Page. www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 31 04:29:51 2014 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2014 04:29:51 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Re(Sel) Rough and Tumble In-Reply-To: <540260A3.8060305@iinet.net.au> References: <540260A3.8060305@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <1409484591.47792.YahooMailNeo@web140604.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Hi Kerry, At our local Buckley show we are still camping next to our display but all loose trucks and trailers are across the road. The tractor folks here only do their trail rides and poker runs during the evenings. We no longer let in to the show huge trailers with one little engine to display. Alan in Michigan ________________________________ From: Kerry To: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 7:39 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Re(Sel) Rough and Tumble G'Day Tom Great to hear from you again, was not totally sure of spelling your name correct so ???, and thought your wife's name was Millie but too long ago. Signs of the time we all are lurkers now, very little posts to SEL or ORG, I don't disagree with anything you say, people go to shows for different reasons but as a paying spectator all I am saying FOR ME is that vehicles parked alongside displays is distracting. In Australia no vehicle is allow in the display area and we camp not far away, no problems for us Tractor people have been an issue at a lot of clubs, ours no different, only been set up 3 years. totally by engine people now tractor people with different needs/wants are controlling the club and a lot of arguments have started. In Australia the lines of lifeless tractors have been fixed by their owners new craze, Tractor Trek, go for a convoy drive in the country so they put their fat asses in the seat and off they go to leave rows of SPACE for the paying public to see All the best Kerry Morris Tangye Engine Registrar 0400421133 Web Page. www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ozengine at iinet.net.au Sun Aug 31 05:17:48 2014 From: ozengine at iinet.net.au (Kerry) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2014 22:17:48 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Re(Sel) Rough and Tumble In-Reply-To: <1409484591.47792.YahooMailNeo@web140604.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <540260A3.8060305@iinet.net.au> <1409484591.47792.YahooMailNeo@web140604.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5403126C.6040105@iinet.net.au> G'Day Alan, "huge trailers with one little engine to display" there are all types in this hobby The best I saw was an engine man I knew at a small farm field days were the local engine club got some free entry tickets for the weekend to display engines, the club distributed the tickets to engine people from all clubs, first in got the tickets, this bloke got a free ticket came in after we were set up with engines, said G'Day to us dumped a vintage apple peeler over the fence and took off to see the field days. At the end of the day he came back with all the goodies he had bought picked up the peeler and off, last we saw of him for the weekend. A waisted ticket that could have gone to someone that wanted to go and show engines for the weekend. The next year the crap hit the fan over free tickets and now none of us go. All the best Kerry On 31/08/2014 9:29 PM, Alan wrote: > Hi Kerry, > At our local Buckley show we are still camping next to our display but all loose trucks and trailers are across the road. The tractor folks here only do their trail rides and poker runs during the evenings. We no longer let in to the show huge trailers with one little engine to display. > > Alan in Michigan > > > _ -- Kerry Morris Tangye Engine Registrar 0400421133 Web Page. www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/ From 1oldengin at gmail.com Sun Aug 31 05:25:20 2014 From: 1oldengin at gmail.com (Leroy Clark) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2014 08:25:20 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re(Sel) Rough and Tumble In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Define little? Leroy On Aug 30, 2014 3:08 PM, wrote: > > I totally enjoyed my time there and met up with Tom Sch??, his wife > and Bill Lopoulos (are you both still on the list) > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------------------------------------ > > Yes, Kerry I am still here but mostly a lurker > > > My wife and I attended the R and T show for 5 years in a row and were there > from Wednesday till Sunday morning, met a lot of nice people from around > the world, and always had a good time. We traveled about 6 hours to get > there, had the trailer loaded with a 6 or 7 hp engine on cart. Our truck > was > always loaded with clothes, rain coats, umbrellas, food , drinks, gas cans, > Big Red Book, Gas Engine magazines, and other reference stuff, spare > parts, tools, extra chairs, etc. > > We watched as engine folks children sleeping in tents beside the running > engines grew older. If it had not been for a motor home allowed in at > that > time I would not have had the pleasure to see first hand, take photos, and > put my hands on a very rare working salesman sample engine that had been to > South America and back. It was always inside the motor home and was later > sold for $40,000+ (Judge Tommy knows where it ended up). > > We watched as the tractor folks and the engine folks had conflicts. The > tractor folks lined up their tractors in neat rows and wanted the engine > folks to do the same. One morning they even changed the gate lock during > the > night so the engine folks could not drive their trucks in that morning. Now > that was a confrontation to see! The engine folks cleaned up some of the > fair grounds and the tractor folks would encroach on it. > > One of the biggest differences was the engine folks with their truck, motor > home, trailer display disarray always had engines running and people ready > to talk about the engines, how they worked, help get others involved in > the hobby, etc. The tractor folks lined up their tractors and then > disappeared for the most part. > > Why did I quit going to R&T? The last time there, they announced it very > loudly, "your motor homes and trucks are not welcomed inside any more". > Your vehicle will be parked out in never-never land -period! > I kept up with that show and the engine displays went down hill after > that. I am glad to hear that it is building up again. > > I attended a lot of shows in the Virginia/North Carolina area and from > Florida to Pennsylvania, to Indiana. Most of those allowed vehicles by or > very near the display. One of the biggest shows I attend is at Denton, NC > that allows motor homes, trucks, everywhere in the engine area. Always > engines running. The tractors are neatly lined up in another area doing > nothing, and no owners around to discuss them with the spectator. > > My vote is to allow vehicles inside where space permits or parking very > nearby the display! > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. > germoamer at aol.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From cgandree at mchsi.com Fri Aug 1 04:30:11 2014 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 06:30:11 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [SEL] JD model E lost its spark Message-ID: <693235966.12584871406892611761.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11> Hey guys last fall at a small one day show I was attempting to grind corn and while attaching the belt from my grinder to my John Deere 1 1/2hp E had the belt catch and pull the grinder right into my JD causing a a big tangle in the belt and damaging my grinder hopper as well as twisting the belt up and flipping the engine over........very dumb not fastening the two down and way too light an engine. Any way now I am not able to even start the JD. Left it sit over the winter tried to start her the other day but no go. Drained the old gas out and removed the check valve and cleaned it. I am not sure how to test the low tension mag but read in the JD inst book that you disconnect your mag wire and touch it to a bright spot on you ignitor spring while cranking engine over. Did that and had no spark. Any one ever have this happen and what is the fix???? I hate the idea of taking the mag off due to the time consuming work of remaking gaskets and getting an oil tight seal, etc. This engine has always been an easy starter until now. Any and all suggestions would be appreciated. Curt Andree From rob at rustyiron.com Fri Aug 1 05:32:33 2014 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 05:32:33 -0700 Subject: [SEL] New Personal Best - McMaster-Carr Order In-Reply-To: References: <1vtngyqu2ipe9ofduwav0it7.1406685917150@email.android.com> Message-ID: > On Jul 30, 2014, at 3:00 AM, Leroy Clark <1oldengin at gmail.com> wrote: > > Rob, Portland bound this year? Nah, staying in the west for the summer. From dtallman at accnorwalk.com Fri Aug 1 05:50:03 2014 From: dtallman at accnorwalk.com (Doug Tallman) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2014 08:50:03 -0400 Subject: [SEL] JD model E lost its spark In-Reply-To: <693235966.12584871406892611761.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11> References: <693235966.12584871406892611761.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11> Message-ID: <53DB8CFB.6060500@accnorwalk.com> Curt, unhook the mag wire and ground it. rig up a battery and coil to the igniter and see if it will start. that will eliminate everything but the mag. Can you take the pickup brush out of the mag without removing it? Doug T cgandree at mchsi.com wrote: > Hey guys last fall at a small one day show I was attempting to grind corn and while attaching the belt from my grinder to my > John Deere 1 1/2hp E had the belt catch and pull the grinder right into my JD causing a a big tangle in the belt and damaging my grinder hopper as well as twisting the belt up and flipping the engine over........very dumb not fastening the two down and way too light an engine. Any way now I am not able to even start the JD. Left it sit over the winter tried to start her the other day but no go. Drained the old gas out and removed the check valve and cleaned it. I am not sure how to test the low tension mag but read in the JD inst book that you disconnect your mag wire and touch it to a bright spot on you ignitor spring while cranking engine over. Did that and had no spark. > Any one ever have this happen and what is the fix???? I hate the idea of taking the mag off due to the time consuming work of remaking gaskets and getting an oil tight seal, etc. This engine has always been an easy starter until now. > > Any and all suggestions would be appreciated. > Curt Andree > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From bigtime64 at hotmail.com Fri Aug 1 12:53:11 2014 From: bigtime64 at hotmail.com (Ed Herreid) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 19:53:11 +0000 Subject: [SEL] JD model E lost its spark In-Reply-To: <693235966.12584871406892611761.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11> References: <693235966.12584871406892611761.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11> Message-ID: My JD will sometimes get weak spark. Remove the cap that holds the brush on the commutator in the mag. Hold a small piece of the paper shop towel or red shop towel on the commutator ( a pencil eraser works good for this) while spinning it over and clean off any oil or build up. Also clean off the brush if it is polished on the end. An emory board or piece of sandpaper will clean it up nice. Then spin it over and hold the wire on a bright piece of metal. You should see sparking. Ed Herreid > Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 06:30:11 -0500 > From: cgandree at mchsi.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] JD model E lost its spark > > Hey guys last fall at a small one day show I was attempting to grind corn and while attaching the belt from my grinder to my > John Deere 1 1/2hp E had the belt catch and pull the grinder right into my JD causing a a big tangle in the belt and damaging my grinder hopper as well as twisting the belt up and flipping the engine over........very dumb not fastening the two down and way too light an engine. Any way now I am not able to even start the JD. Left it sit over the winter tried to start her the other day but no go. Drained the old gas out and removed the check valve and cleaned it. I am not sure how to test the low tension mag but read in the JD inst book that you disconnect your mag wire and touch it to a bright spot on you ignitor spring while cranking engine over. Did that and had no spark. > Any one ever have this happen and what is the fix???? I hate the idea of taking the mag off due to the time consuming work of remaking gaskets and getting an oil tight seal, etc. This engine has always been an easy starter until now. > > Any and all suggestions would be appreciated. > Curt Andree > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From cgandree at mchsi.com Sat Aug 2 03:49:53 2014 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2014 05:49:53 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [SEL] JD model E lost its spark In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1430891096.12693221406976593984.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11> Ed, I did remove the commutator and clean the brush with emory paper but did not clean the commutator so will try that out at the show grounds later today. Thanks for the help tip. Curt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Herreid" To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Sent: Friday, August 1, 2014 2:53:11 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: [SEL] JD model E lost its spark My JD will sometimes get weak spark. Remove the cap that holds the brush on the commutator in the mag. Hold a small piece of the paper shop towel or red shop towel on the commutator ( a pencil eraser works good for this) while spinning it over and clean off any oil or build up. Also clean off the brush if it is polished on the end. An emory board or piece of sandpaper will clean it up nice. Then spin it over and hold the wire on a bright piece of metal. You should see sparking. Ed Herreid > Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 06:30:11 -0500 > From: cgandree at mchsi.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] JD model E lost its spark > > Hey guys last fall at a small one day show I was attempting to grind corn and while attaching the belt from my grinder to my > John Deere 1 1/2hp E had the belt catch and pull the grinder right into my JD causing a a big tangle in the belt and damaging my grinder hopper as well as twisting the belt up and flipping the engine over........very dumb not fastening the two down and way too light an engine. Any way now I am not able to even start the JD. Left it sit over the winter tried to start her the other day but no go. Drained the old gas out and removed the check valve and cleaned it. I am not sure how to test the low tension mag but read in the JD inst book that you disconnect your mag wire and touch it to a bright spot on you ignitor spring while cranking engine over. Did that and had no spark. > Any one ever have this happen and what is the fix???? I hate the idea of taking the mag off due to the time consuming work of remaking gaskets and getting an oil tight seal, etc. This engine has always been an easy starter until now. > > Any and all suggestions would be appreciated. > Curt Andree > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From cgandree at mchsi.com Sat Aug 2 03:51:51 2014 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2014 05:51:51 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [SEL] JD model E lost its spark In-Reply-To: <53DB8CFB.6060500@accnorwalk.com> Message-ID: <1697863818.12693291406976711555.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11> Hi Doug, I will rig a battery and coil later this am at the show grounds to see if it will run plus responded to Ed's suggestion to clean the commutator. Thanks, Curt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Tallman" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, August 1, 2014 7:50:03 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: [SEL] JD model E lost its spark Curt, unhook the mag wire and ground it. rig up a battery and coil to the igniter and see if it will start. that will eliminate everything but the mag. Can you take the pickup brush out of the mag without removing it? Doug T cgandree at mchsi.com wrote: > Hey guys last fall at a small one day show I was attempting to grind corn and while attaching the belt from my grinder to my > John Deere 1 1/2hp E had the belt catch and pull the grinder right into my JD causing a a big tangle in the belt and damaging my grinder hopper as well as twisting the belt up and flipping the engine over........very dumb not fastening the two down and way too light an engine. Any way now I am not able to even start the JD. Left it sit over the winter tried to start her the other day but no go. Drained the old gas out and removed the check valve and cleaned it. I am not sure how to test the low tension mag but read in the JD inst book that you disconnect your mag wire and touch it to a bright spot on you ignitor spring while cranking engine over. Did that and had no spark. > Any one ever have this happen and what is the fix???? I hate the idea of taking the mag off due to the time consuming work of remaking gaskets and getting an oil tight seal, etc. This engine has always been an easy starter until now. > > Any and all suggestions would be appreciated. > Curt Andree > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From steve_mechanic at hotmail.com Sat Aug 2 05:15:17 2014 From: steve_mechanic at hotmail.com (steve mechanic) Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2014 12:15:17 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Aus guys... Clarendon rally in September In-Reply-To: <1430891096.12693221406976593984.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11> References: , <1430891096.12693221406976593984.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11> Message-ID: Hey guys, Its been a looong time since I've posted... long time lurker due to job commitments.. Is anyone heading to the rally at Clarendon in September? I've just done the dummy run from Adelaide to Mildura in the '63 Dodge Phoenix (Polara across the pond I think) and all is good.. hope to meet up with some of you guys Cheers Steve From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Sat Aug 2 05:45:26 2014 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2014 22:45:26 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Aus guys... Clarendon rally in September In-Reply-To: References: <1430891096.12693221406976593984.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11> Message-ID: Hi Steve, See you there. It will be a BIG one this year with a lot of exhibits attending. There will also be a steam train running on the nearby suburban branch line. Lots of info at: http://www.sydneyantiquemachineryclub.com/samc-flyer-rally-2014.html I have not decided which engine (or engines) I am taking as yet. The feature is English engines so I might take my big R&V or early Austral just to add some variety ;) Patrick Patrick M Livingstone 0418 692013 Earlwood NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html On 2/08/14 10:15 PM, "steve mechanic" wrote: >Hey guys, >Its been a looong time since I've posted... long time lurker due to job >commitments.. >Is anyone heading to the rally at Clarendon in September? I've just done >the dummy run from Adelaide to Mildura in the '63 Dodge Phoenix (Polara >across the pond I think) and all is good.. hope to meet up with some of >you guys > >Cheers Steve > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From steve_mechanic at hotmail.com Sat Aug 2 06:00:43 2014 From: steve_mechanic at hotmail.com (steve mechanic) Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2014 13:00:43 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Aus guys... Clarendon rally in September In-Reply-To: References: , <1430891096.12693221406976593984.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>, , Message-ID: Hey Patrick, I won't have any engines but hopefully will have a space to park the dodge!... Budgetting $300 in fuel one way but hey...Ya gotta do it! hehe > Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2014 22:45:26 +1000 > From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Re: [SEL] Aus guys... Clarendon rally in September > > Hi Steve, > See you there. It will be a BIG one this year with a lot of exhibits > attending. There will also be a steam train running on the nearby suburban > branch line. Lots of info at: > http://www.sydneyantiquemachineryclub.com/samc-flyer-rally-2014.html > > I have not decided which engine (or engines) I am taking as yet. The > feature is English engines so I might take my big R&V or early Austral > just to add some variety ;) > Patrick > > Patrick M Livingstone > 0418 692013 > Earlwood NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > > > > On 2/08/14 10:15 PM, "steve mechanic" wrote: > > >Hey guys, > >Its been a looong time since I've posted... long time lurker due to job > >commitments.. > >Is anyone heading to the rally at Clarendon in September? I've just done > >the dummy run from Adelaide to Mildura in the '63 Dodge Phoenix (Polara > >across the pond I think) and all is good.. hope to meet up with some of > >you guys > > > >Cheers Steve > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ozengine at iinet.net.au Sat Aug 2 14:46:19 2014 From: ozengine at iinet.net.au (Kerry) Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2014 07:46:19 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Aus guys... Clarendon rally in September In-Reply-To: References: , <1430891096.12693221406976593984.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>, , Message-ID: <53DD5C2B.5080801@iinet.net.au> G'Day Steve They will have plenty of room for the Dodge, and look forward to meeting up with you, I will have a Tangye engine and Register table please look me up. Are you camping on site > I have not decided which engine (or engines) I am taking as yet. The feature is English engines so I might take my big R&V or early Austral just to add some variety ;) Patrick Patrick M Livingstone now Patrick that's because you have not any of the REFINED QUALITY English engines to bring, take the Austral and leave the Yank stuff at home, 8-)) 8-)) Good to see a post on here Kerry -- Kerry Morris Tangye Engine Registrar 0400421133 Web Page. www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/ From rotigel at me.com Sun Aug 3 16:09:07 2014 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2014 19:09:07 -0400 Subject: [SEL] =?windows-1252?q?Not_OT=85=85=2E=2E?= Message-ID: ??.because it reminds me of so many of my FATG friends! See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOgd9hitEAE From ozengine at iinet.net.au Sun Aug 3 20:10:41 2014 From: ozengine at iinet.net.au (Kerry) Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2014 13:10:41 +1000 Subject: [SEL] =?windows-1252?q?Not_OT=85=85=2E=2E?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <53DEF9B1.60009@iinet.net.au> Not only FATG there is a few more I know of Loved it, thanks Dave Kerry On 4/08/2014 9:09 AM, David Rotigel wrote: > ??.because it reminds me of so many of my FATG friends! See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOgd9hitEAE > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- Kerry Morris Tangye Engine Registrar 0400421133 Web Page. www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/ From wboldrusty70 at gmail.com Sun Aug 3 20:45:51 2014 From: wboldrusty70 at gmail.com (William Burg) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2014 13:45:51 +1000 Subject: [SEL] =?utf-8?b?Tm90IE9U4oCm4oCmLi4=?= In-Reply-To: <53DEF9B1.60009@iinet.net.au> References: <53DEF9B1.60009@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: Kerry, was that you singing that song??? On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 1:10 PM, Kerry wrote: > Not only FATG there is a few more I know of > Loved it, thanks Dave > > > Kerry > > > On 4/08/2014 9:09 AM, David Rotigel wrote: > > ??.because it reminds me of so many of my FATG friends! See: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOgd9hitEAE > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- > Kerry Morris > Tangye Engine Registrar > 0400421133 > Web Page. www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From plowe at exemail.com.au Mon Aug 4 02:26:04 2014 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2014 19:26:04 +1000 Subject: [SEL] valve grinder help Message-ID: Does anyone in Oz have an instruction manual for a Warren & Brown Model 232 valve resurfacer/grinder Peter From wboldrusty70 at gmail.com Mon Aug 4 02:47:01 2014 From: wboldrusty70 at gmail.com (William Burg) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2014 19:47:01 +1000 Subject: [SEL] valve grinder help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Peter, I don't have a manual, but I do have a complete working unit. I can take some photos if you wish. Bill On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 7:26 PM, Peter Lowe wrote: > Does anyone in Oz have an instruction manual for a Warren & Brown Model > 232 valve resurfacer/grinder > > Peter > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From plowe at exemail.com.au Mon Aug 4 03:32:27 2014 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2014 20:32:27 +1000 Subject: [SEL] valve grinder help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9C09522102AB44D097E7FBFA13DE00CB@PeterPC> Yes please Bill, from all over. My brother just acquired one in many bits. Peter Peter, I don't have a manual, but I do have a complete working unit. I can take some photos if you wish. Bill On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 7:26 PM, Peter Lowe wrote: > Does anyone in Oz have an instruction manual for a Warren & Brown Model > 232 valve resurfacer/grinder > > Peter > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From swebre at hotmail.com Mon Aug 4 09:18:14 2014 From: swebre at hotmail.com (Steve Webre) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2014 16:18:14 +0000 Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 125, Issue 4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Humph. Hits a little close to home for most of us! -Steve- --Forwarded Message Attachment-- From: rotigel at me.com To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2014 19:09:07 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Not OT??.. ??.because it reminds me of so many of my FATG friends! See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOgd9hitEAE From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Mon Aug 4 19:38:30 2014 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2014 12:38:30 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Aus guys... Clarendon rally in September In-Reply-To: <53DD5C2B.5080801@iinet.net.au> References: <1430891096.12693221406976593984.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11> <53DD5C2B.5080801@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: Hi Steve, As Kerry said, there is plenty of space for you to park the Dodge and to camp as well. I am going to drag the old Austral out (as it is a copy of a Blackstone so it is close to an English engine). If I get bitten by the keen bug I might bring the big R&V out as well. I have never had my two largest engines out together before. Patrick Patrick M Livingstone 0418 692013 Earlwood NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html On 3/08/14 7:46 AM, "Kerry" wrote: >G'Day Steve >They will have plenty of room for the Dodge, and look forward to meeting >up with you, I will have a Tangye engine and Register table please look >me up. >Are you camping on site > > > I have not decided which engine (or engines) I am taking as yet. The >feature is English engines so I might take my big R&V or early Austral >just to add some variety ;) Patrick Patrick M Livingstone > >now Patrick that's because you have not any of the REFINED QUALITY >English engines to bring, take the Austral and leave the Yank stuff at >home, 8-)) 8-)) > >Good to see a post on here > >Kerry > >-- >Kerry Morris >Tangye Engine Registrar >0400421133 >Web Page. www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/ > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From regingold3 at gmail.com Mon Aug 4 23:28:54 2014 From: regingold3 at gmail.com (Reg Ingold) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2014 16:28:54 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Aus guys... Clarendon rally in September In-Reply-To: References: <1430891096.12693221406976593984.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11> <53DD5C2B.5080801@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: Ya reckon I should show up with some models? On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 12:38 PM, Patrick Livingstone < patrick.livingstone at gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Steve, > As Kerry said, there is plenty of space for you to park the Dodge and to > camp as well. > I am going to drag the old Austral out (as it is a copy of a Blackstone so > it is close to an English engine). If I get bitten by the keen bug I might > bring the big R&V out as well. I have never had my two largest engines out > together before. > Patrick > > Patrick M Livingstone > 0418 692013 > Earlwood NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > > > > On 3/08/14 7:46 AM, "Kerry" wrote: > > >G'Day Steve > >They will have plenty of room for the Dodge, and look forward to meeting > >up with you, I will have a Tangye engine and Register table please look > >me up. > >Are you camping on site > > > > > I have not decided which engine (or engines) I am taking as yet. The > >feature is English engines so I might take my big R&V or early Austral > >just to add some variety ;) Patrick Patrick M Livingstone > > > >now Patrick that's because you have not any of the REFINED QUALITY > >English engines to bring, take the Austral and leave the Yank stuff at > >home, 8-)) 8-)) > > > >Good to see a post on here > > > >Kerry > > > >-- > >Kerry Morris > >Tangye Engine Registrar > >0400421133 > >Web Page. www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/ > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -- Reg & Marg Ingold Newcastle.NSW. Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From ozengine at iinet.net.au Mon Aug 4 23:52:13 2014 From: ozengine at iinet.net.au (Kerry) Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2014 16:52:13 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Aus guys... Clarendon rally in September In-Reply-To: References: <1430891096.12693221406976593984.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11> <53DD5C2B.5080801@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <53E07F1D.5010309@iinet.net.au> Yep Kerry On 5/08/2014 4:28 PM, Reg Ingold wrote: > Ya reckon I should show up with some models? > > > > > -- Kerry Morris Tangye Engine Registrar 0400421133 Web Page. www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/ From bst41474 at bigpond.net.au Tue Aug 5 00:36:44 2014 From: bst41474 at bigpond.net.au (Barry & Tanya Stait) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2014 17:36:44 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Aus guys... Clarendon rally in September In-Reply-To: References: <1430891096.12693221406976593984.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11><53DD5C2B.5080801@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <3DC59C263D77427A973C16616FD49156@Stait> As long as you have some dirty jokes for us Reg. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Reg Ingold" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2014 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Aus guys... Clarendon rally in September > Ya reckon I should show up with some models? > > > On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 12:38 PM, Patrick Livingstone < > patrick.livingstone at gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi Steve, >> As Kerry said, there is plenty of space for you to park the Dodge and to >> camp as well. >> I am going to drag the old Austral out (as it is a copy of a Blackstone >> so >> it is close to an English engine). If I get bitten by the keen bug I >> might >> bring the big R&V out as well. I have never had my two largest engines >> out >> together before. >> Patrick >> >> Patrick M Livingstone >> 0418 692013 >> Earlwood NSW >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >> >> >> >> >> >> On 3/08/14 7:46 AM, "Kerry" wrote: >> >> >G'Day Steve >> >They will have plenty of room for the Dodge, and look forward to meeting >> >up with you, I will have a Tangye engine and Register table please look >> >me up. >> >Are you camping on site >> > >> > > I have not decided which engine (or engines) I am taking as yet. The >> >feature is English engines so I might take my big R&V or early Austral >> >just to add some variety ;) Patrick Patrick M Livingstone >> > >> >now Patrick that's because you have not any of the REFINED QUALITY >> >English engines to bring, take the Austral and leave the Yank stuff at >> >home, 8-)) 8-)) >> > >> >Good to see a post on here >> > >> >Kerry >> > >> >-- >> >Kerry Morris >> >Tangye Engine Registrar >> >0400421133 >> >Web Page. www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/ >> > >> >_______________________________________________ >> >SEL mailing list >> >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > > -- > Reg & Marg Ingold > Newcastle.NSW. Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rob at rustyiron.com Tue Aug 5 14:35:13 2014 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2014 14:35:13 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Aus guys... Clarendon rally in September In-Reply-To: References: <1430891096.12693221406976593984.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11> <53DD5C2B.5080801@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <8CC85B22-BEC4-4922-B990-5AD834BC65C1@rustyiron.com> > On Aug 4, 2014, at 11:28 PM, Reg Ingold wrote: > > Ya reckon I should show up with some models? Yes. With big titties and skimpy outfits. From regingold3 at gmail.com Tue Aug 5 14:45:47 2014 From: regingold3 at gmail.com (Reg Ingold) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2014 07:45:47 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Aus guys... Clarendon rally in September In-Reply-To: <3DC59C263D77427A973C16616FD49156@Stait> References: <1430891096.12693221406976593984.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11> <53DD5C2B.5080801@iinet.net.au> <3DC59C263D77427A973C16616FD49156@Stait> Message-ID: Do I have to pre register? On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Barry & Tanya Stait wrote: > As long as you have some dirty jokes for us Reg. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Reg Ingold" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2014 4:28 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Aus guys... Clarendon rally in September > > > > Ya reckon I should show up with some models? > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 12:38 PM, Patrick Livingstone < > > patrick.livingstone at gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> Hi Steve, > >> As Kerry said, there is plenty of space for you to park the Dodge and to > >> camp as well. > >> I am going to drag the old Austral out (as it is a copy of a Blackstone > >> so > >> it is close to an English engine). If I get bitten by the keen bug I > >> might > >> bring the big R&V out as well. I have never had my two largest engines > >> out > >> together before. > >> Patrick > >> > >> Patrick M Livingstone > >> 0418 692013 > >> Earlwood NSW > >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On 3/08/14 7:46 AM, "Kerry" wrote: > >> > >> >G'Day Steve > >> >They will have plenty of room for the Dodge, and look forward to > meeting > >> >up with you, I will have a Tangye engine and Register table please look > >> >me up. > >> >Are you camping on site > >> > > >> > > I have not decided which engine (or engines) I am taking as yet. > The > >> >feature is English engines so I might take my big R&V or early Austral > >> >just to add some variety ;) Patrick Patrick M Livingstone > >> > > >> >now Patrick that's because you have not any of the REFINED QUALITY > >> >English engines to bring, take the Austral and leave the Yank stuff at > >> >home, 8-)) 8-)) > >> > > >> >Good to see a post on here > >> > > >> >Kerry > >> > > >> >-- > >> >Kerry Morris > >> >Tangye Engine Registrar > >> >0400421133 > >> >Web Page. www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/ > >> > > >> >_______________________________________________ > >> >SEL mailing list > >> >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Reg & Marg Ingold > > Newcastle.NSW. Australia. > > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -- Reg & Marg Ingold Newcastle.NSW. Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From rdhaskell at juno.com Wed Aug 6 12:41:20 2014 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2014 12:41:20 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Propane run time Message-ID: Hi all. I am about to get my 12 hp Reid running, I have a choice of three propane tanks. If the engine is just running slowly on the hot tube, how many gallons of propane would I burn in 6 hours? Thanks. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell ____________________________________________________________ The End of the "Made-In-China" Era The impossible (but real) technology that could make you impossibly rich. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/53e285173da0651703bast03vuc From rob at rustyiron.com Wed Aug 6 13:43:50 2014 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2014 13:43:50 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Propane run time In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3FF6C86A-E524-44D2-92BD-30C7E4CF679A@rustyiron.com> > On Aug 6, 2014, at 12:41 PM, rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: > > Hi all. > I am about to get my 12 hp Reid running, I have a choice of three propane > tanks. If the engine is just running slowly on the hot tube, how many > gallons of propane would I burn in 6 hours? > Thanks. > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California USA > http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell Hey, Ron. Our 25 hp Commercial will run all day on a barbecue sized tank. It?s high tension ignition, though, so you need to add an extra pound or two for that. Rob From rdhaskell at juno.com Wed Aug 6 13:55:24 2014 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2014 13:55:24 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Propane run time Message-ID: Thanks Rob Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell > Hey, Ron. > Our 25 hp Commercial will run all day on a barbecue sized tank. > It?s high tension ignition, though, so you need to add an extra > pound or two for that. > > Rob > ____________________________________________________________ The #1 Worst Carb Ever? Click to Learn #1 Carb that Kills Your Blood Sugar (Don't Eat This!) http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/53e2967332651167358a0st02vuc From rotigel at me.com Wed Aug 6 14:20:58 2014 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2014 17:20:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Propane run time In-Reply-To: <3FF6C86A-E524-44D2-92BD-30C7E4CF679A@rustyiron.com> References: <3FF6C86A-E524-44D2-92BD-30C7E4CF679A@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <001C8543-DCFA-4535-B864-E1FA13BFC76F@me.com> Are you using a demand regulator, Rob Dave On Aug 6, 2014, at 4:43 PM, Rob Skinner wrote: > > > Hey, Ron. > Our 25 hp Commercial will run all day on a barbecue sized tank. It?s high tension ignition, though, so you need to add an extra pound or two for that. > > Rob From rdhaskell at juno.com Wed Aug 6 14:37:00 2014 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2014 14:37:00 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Propane run time Message-ID: Not using anything yet Dave. Thought I would set it up like John Burns has setup on his little Reid. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell On Wed, 06 Aug 2014 17:20:58 -0400 David Rotigel writes: > Are you using a demand regulator, Rob > Dave > . ____________________________________________________________ The #1 Worst Carb Ever? Click to Learn #1 Carb that Kills Your Blood Sugar (Don't Eat This!) http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/53e2a003859e920035c7bst01vuc From rob at rustyiron.com Wed Aug 6 14:45:06 2014 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2014 14:45:06 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Propane run time In-Reply-To: <001C8543-DCFA-4535-B864-E1FA13BFC76F@me.com> References: <3FF6C86A-E524-44D2-92BD-30C7E4CF679A@rustyiron.com> <001C8543-DCFA-4535-B864-E1FA13BFC76F@me.com> Message-ID: <976B3349-B9AC-4083-8157-D36BCCB5E3AD@rustyiron.com> > On Aug 6, 2014, at 2:20 PM, David Rotigel wrote: > > Are you using a demand regulator, Rob > Dave No. I use an acetylene regulator and squirt the fuel right down the throat of the mixer. From rotigel at me.com Wed Aug 6 17:04:16 2014 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2014 20:04:16 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Propane run time In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2B548B7A-0A6F-4029-9460-FA2345D544EF@me.com> Hi Ron, I know LITTLE or NOTHING about oilfield engines. I do own The Burns prototype (S/N BK1) for the castings he sold for the model. From what I have heard from the OFES, a demand regulator sure saves the gas! I know that Arnie has one on his Halfbreed Bessemer. Dave On Aug 6, 2014, at 5:37 PM, rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: > Not using anything yet Dave. Thought I would set it up like John Burns > has setup on his little Reid. > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California USA > http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell > > On Wed, 06 Aug 2014 17:20:58 -0400 David Rotigel writes: >> Are you using a demand regulator, Rob >> Dave >> > . > > ____________________________________________________________ > The #1 Worst Carb Ever? > Click to Learn #1 Carb that Kills Your Blood Sugar (Don't Eat This!) > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/53e2a003859e920035c7bst01vuc > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rdhaskell at juno.com Wed Aug 6 17:12:02 2014 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2014 17:12:02 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Propane run time Message-ID: Thanks Dave, I will investigate a demand regulator, saving gas sounds good go me. Ron On Wed, 06 Aug 2014 20:04:16 -0400 David Rotigel writes: > Hi Ron, I know LITTLE or NOTHING about oilfield engines. I do own The > Burns prototype (S/N BK1) for the castings he sold for the model. > From what I have heard from the OFES, a demand regulator sure saves > the gas! I know that Arnie has one on his Halfbreed Bessemer. > Dave > ____________________________________________________________ The #1 Worst Carb Ever? Click to Learn #1 Carb that Kills Your Blood Sugar (Don't Eat This!) http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/53e2c45b5d8bd445b25d5st04vuc From bd24tj at gmail.com Wed Aug 6 17:16:09 2014 From: bd24tj at gmail.com (Tom Geier) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2014 20:16:09 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Propane run time In-Reply-To: <2B548B7A-0A6F-4029-9460-FA2345D544EF@me.com> References: <2B548B7A-0A6F-4029-9460-FA2345D544EF@me.com> Message-ID: Depends on what you are running! If you are running an oilfield engine. Why care. Oilfield are normal two cycle. Now if it is a four cycle engine. It now depends on where the gas come in to an intake valve. I have a H.M.Spence. the intake valve has the gas ports in the valve. And stops the gas after it has reached working pressure. On Aug 6, 2014 8:09 PM, "David Rotigel" wrote: > Hi Ron, I know LITTLE or NOTHING about oilfield engines. I do own The > Burns prototype (S/N BK1) for the castings he sold for the model. From what > I have heard from the OFES, a demand regulator sure saves the gas! I know > that Arnie has one on his Halfbreed Bessemer. > Dave > > On Aug 6, 2014, at 5:37 PM, rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: > > > Not using anything yet Dave. Thought I would set it up like John Burns > > has setup on his little Reid. > > > > Ron Haskell > > rdhaskell at juno.com > > Riverside, California USA > > http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell > > > > On Wed, 06 Aug 2014 17:20:58 -0400 David Rotigel > writes: > >> Are you using a demand regulator, Rob > >> Dave > >> > > . > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > The #1 Worst Carb Ever? > > Click to Learn #1 Carb that Kills Your Blood Sugar (Don't Eat > This!) > > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/53e2a003859e920035c7bst01vuc > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at me.com Wed Aug 6 19:14:19 2014 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2014 22:14:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Propane run time In-Reply-To: References: <2B548B7A-0A6F-4029-9460-FA2345D544EF@me.com> Message-ID: Hell Tom, I sure don't care if you don't! Love and kisses! Dave On Aug 6, 2014, at 8:16 PM, Tom Geier wrote: > Depends on what you are running! If you are running an oilfield engine. Why > care. Oilfield are normal two cycle. Now if it is a four cycle engine. It > now depends on where the gas come in to an intake valve. I have a > H.M.Spence. the intake valve has the gas ports in the valve. And stops the > gas after it has reached working pressure. > On Aug 6, 2014 8:09 PM, "David Rotigel" wrote: > >> Hi Ron, I know LITTLE or NOTHING about oilfield engines. I do own The >> Burns prototype (S/N BK1) for the castings he sold for the model. From what >> I have heard from the OFES, a demand regulator sure saves the gas! I know >> that Arnie has one on his Halfbreed Bessemer. >> Dave >> >> On Aug 6, 2014, at 5:37 PM, rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: >> >>> Not using anything yet Dave. Thought I would set it up like John Burns >>> has setup on his little Reid. >>> >>> Ron Haskell >>> rdhaskell at juno.com >>> Riverside, California USA >>> http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell >>> >>> On Wed, 06 Aug 2014 17:20:58 -0400 David Rotigel >> writes: >>>> Are you using a demand regulator, Rob >>>> Dave >>>> >>> . >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> The #1 Worst Carb Ever? >>> Click to Learn #1 Carb that Kills Your Blood Sugar (Don't Eat >> This!) >>> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/53e2a003859e920035c7bst01vuc >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Thu Aug 7 05:36:50 2014 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2014 22:36:50 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Aus guys... Clarendon rally in September In-Reply-To: References: <1430891096.12693221406976593984.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11> <53DD5C2B.5080801@iinet.net.au> <3DC59C263D77427A973C16616FD49156@Stait> Message-ID: You don't have to pre-register but it does help estimate the space we need to reserve for engines. It is easy to do online at: http://www.sydneyantiquemachineryclub.com/on-line-rally-registration-2014.h tml P Patrick M Livingstone 0418 692013 Earlwood NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html On 6/08/14 7:45 AM, "Reg Ingold" wrote: >Do I have to pre register? > > >On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Barry & Tanya Stait >> wrote: > >> As long as you have some dirty jokes for us Reg. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Reg Ingold" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2014 4:28 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Aus guys... Clarendon rally in September >> >> >> > Ya reckon I should show up with some models? >> > >> > >> > On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 12:38 PM, Patrick Livingstone < >> > patrick.livingstone at gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> >> Hi Steve, >> >> As Kerry said, there is plenty of space for you to park the Dodge >>and to >> >> camp as well. >> >> I am going to drag the old Austral out (as it is a copy of a >>Blackstone >> >> so >> >> it is close to an English engine). If I get bitten by the keen bug I >> >> might >> >> bring the big R&V out as well. I have never had my two largest >>engines >> >> out >> >> together before. >> >> Patrick >> >> >> >> Patrick M Livingstone >> >> 0418 692013 >> >> Earlwood NSW >> >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 3/08/14 7:46 AM, "Kerry" wrote: >> >> >> >> >G'Day Steve >> >> >They will have plenty of room for the Dodge, and look forward to >> meeting >> >> >up with you, I will have a Tangye engine and Register table please >>look >> >> >me up. >> >> >Are you camping on site >> >> > >> >> > > I have not decided which engine (or engines) I am taking as yet. >> The >> >> >feature is English engines so I might take my big R&V or early >>Austral >> >> >just to add some variety ;) Patrick Patrick M Livingstone >> >> > >> >> >now Patrick that's because you have not any of the REFINED QUALITY >> >> >English engines to bring, take the Austral and leave the Yank stuff >>at >> >> >home, 8-)) 8-)) >> >> > >> >> >Good to see a post on here >> >> > >> >> >Kerry >> >> > >> >> >-- >> >> >Kerry Morris >> >> >Tangye Engine Registrar >> >> >0400421133 >> >> >Web Page. www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/ >> >> > >> >> >_______________________________________________ >> >> >SEL mailing list >> >> >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >> >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> SEL mailing list >> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Reg & Marg Ingold >> > Newcastle.NSW. Australia. >> > randmingold at hotkey.net.au >> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > >-- >Reg & Marg Ingold >Newcastle.NSW. Australia. >randmingold at hotkey.net.au >http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From brock679 at gmail.com Thu Aug 7 05:58:38 2014 From: brock679 at gmail.com (Brock Summerfield) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2014 22:58:38 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Aus guys... Clarendon rally in September In-Reply-To: References: <1430891096.12693221406976593984.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11> <53DD5C2B.5080801@iinet.net.au> <3DC59C263D77427A973C16616FD49156@Stait> Message-ID: Hope to see you there Reg On Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 10:36 PM, Patrick Livingstone < patrick.livingstone at gmail.com> wrote: > You don't have to pre-register but it does help estimate the space we need > to reserve for engines. It is easy to do online at: > http://www.sydneyantiquemachineryclub.com/on-line-rally-registration-2014.h > tml > P > > Patrick M Livingstone > 0418 692013 > Earlwood NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > > > > On 6/08/14 7:45 AM, "Reg Ingold" wrote: > > >Do I have to pre register? > > > > > >On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Barry & Tanya Stait > > >> wrote: > > > >> As long as you have some dirty jokes for us Reg. > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Reg Ingold" > >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2014 4:28 PM > >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Aus guys... Clarendon rally in September > >> > >> > >> > Ya reckon I should show up with some models? > >> > > >> > > >> > On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 12:38 PM, Patrick Livingstone < > >> > patrick.livingstone at gmail.com> wrote: > >> > > >> >> Hi Steve, > >> >> As Kerry said, there is plenty of space for you to park the Dodge > >>and to > >> >> camp as well. > >> >> I am going to drag the old Austral out (as it is a copy of a > >>Blackstone > >> >> so > >> >> it is close to an English engine). If I get bitten by the keen bug I > >> >> might > >> >> bring the big R&V out as well. I have never had my two largest > >>engines > >> >> out > >> >> together before. > >> >> Patrick > >> >> > >> >> Patrick M Livingstone > >> >> 0418 692013 > >> >> Earlwood NSW > >> >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> On 3/08/14 7:46 AM, "Kerry" wrote: > >> >> > >> >> >G'Day Steve > >> >> >They will have plenty of room for the Dodge, and look forward to > >> meeting > >> >> >up with you, I will have a Tangye engine and Register table please > >>look > >> >> >me up. > >> >> >Are you camping on site > >> >> > > >> >> > > I have not decided which engine (or engines) I am taking as yet. > >> The > >> >> >feature is English engines so I might take my big R&V or early > >>Austral > >> >> >just to add some variety ;) Patrick Patrick M Livingstone > >> >> > > >> >> >now Patrick that's because you have not any of the REFINED QUALITY > >> >> >English engines to bring, take the Austral and leave the Yank stuff > >>at > >> >> >home, 8-)) 8-)) > >> >> > > >> >> >Good to see a post on here > >> >> > > >> >> >Kerry > >> >> > > >> >> >-- > >> >> >Kerry Morris > >> >> >Tangye Engine Registrar > >> >> >0400421133 > >> >> >Web Page. www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/ > >> >> > > >> >> >_______________________________________________ > >> >> >SEL mailing list > >> >> >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> >> >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> SEL mailing list > >> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Reg & Marg Ingold > >> > Newcastle.NSW. Australia. > >> > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > >> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > SEL mailing list > >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > > > > > > > >-- > >Reg & Marg Ingold > >Newcastle.NSW. Australia. > >randmingold at hotkey.net.au > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From frappi at wcoil.com Thu Aug 7 10:56:18 2014 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2014 13:56:18 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Robert Hartman In-Reply-To: References: <2B548B7A-0A6F-4029-9460-FA2345D544EF@me.com> Message-ID: <20140807175611.32B88817C@smtp.wcoil.com> Word has come down that Robert Hartman of Burns & Horner has passed away. His brother Jim asks for prayers for their mother. Mark Shulaw Bluffton, OH. 45817-9601 USA 419.358.5206 From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Sat Aug 9 02:16:13 2014 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2014 19:16:13 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Engines in the 1980s Message-ID: >From over 30 years ago some engines & rallies from the 1980s. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adwsh99VgfA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlBhn44VWQ0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qwrN6PXQtA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSfiSlUbkzk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjMhynh1MtM Enjoy! Patrick Patrick M Livingstone 0418 692013 Earlwood NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From cgandree at mchsi.com Sun Aug 10 04:28:34 2014 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2014 06:28:34 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Uller In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1520209321.14975901407670114086.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11> Hi All Take a look at the link on bottom of this email from a friend who videod me starting and running the Uller at the Freeport show. enjoy, Curt ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Cgandree at aol.com To: cgandree at mchsi.com Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2014 6:22:36 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Fwd: Uller From: fastype77 at yahoo.com To: cgandree at aol.com Sent: 8/4/2014 7:09:48 A.M. Central Daylight Time Subj: Uller Curt, Try forwarding him this link and see how if that works. Hope you enjoyed the video! Barb https://www.dropbox.com/s/nh64mns7maiu0m2/Uller-at-The-Freeport-Show.mp4 From oldengines at yahoo.com Sun Aug 10 08:14:13 2014 From: oldengines at yahoo.com (Keith Munter) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2014 08:14:13 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Uller In-Reply-To: <1520209321.14975901407670114086.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11> References: <1520209321.14975901407670114086.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11> Message-ID: <1407683653.32950.YahooMailNeo@web163606.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> ________________________________ ??Curt, sorry I missed you at the Freeport show. I was kind of busy with son and grandson running nine engines at the same time. Maybe you came by and saw the Clogging Cousins dance? Keith Munter Munter Family Engines From rotigel at me.com Sun Aug 10 12:18:03 2014 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2014 15:18:03 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Uller In-Reply-To: <1520209321.14975901407670114086.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11> References: <1520209321.14975901407670114086.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11> Message-ID: <4916982F-6831-492C-B149-77513624CAE9@me.com> That's just a SWEET engine Curt. I take for granted that you will have it at Baraboo. Dave On Aug 10, 2014, at 7:28 AM, cgandree at mchsi.com wrote: > Hi All > Take a look at the link on bottom of this email from a friend who videod me starting and running the Uller at the Freeport show. > enjoy, > Curt > > > > > > ----- Forwarded Message ----- > From: Cgandree at aol.com > To: cgandree at mchsi.com > Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2014 6:22:36 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central > Subject: Fwd: Uller > > > > > > > > > From: fastype77 at yahoo.com > To: cgandree at aol.com > Sent: 8/4/2014 7:09:48 A.M. Central Daylight Time > Subj: Uller > > > > > Curt, > > Try forwarding him this link and see how if that works. > > Hope you enjoyed the video! > > Barb > > https://www.dropbox.com/s/nh64mns7maiu0m2/Uller-at-The-Freeport-Show.mp4 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From cgandree at mchsi.com Mon Aug 11 03:40:43 2014 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 05:40:43 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [SEL] Uller In-Reply-To: <4916982F-6831-492C-B149-77513624CAE9@me.com> Message-ID: <303800242.15045761407753643452.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11> Yup, already loaded on the trailer thanks to my new Superwinch UT 3000 and ready to roll. Drive safe and see you there. Curt ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2014 2:18:03 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: [SEL] Uller That's just a SWEET engine Curt. I take for granted that you will have it at Baraboo. Dave On Aug 10, 2014, at 7:28 AM, cgandree at mchsi.com wrote: > Hi All > Take a look at the link on bottom of this email from a friend who videod me starting and running the Uller at the Freeport show. > enjoy, > Curt > > > > > > ----- Forwarded Message ----- > From: Cgandree at aol.com > To: cgandree at mchsi.com > Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2014 6:22:36 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central > Subject: Fwd: Uller > > > > > > > > > From: fastype77 at yahoo.com > To: cgandree at aol.com > Sent: 8/4/2014 7:09:48 A.M. Central Daylight Time > Subj: Uller > > > > > Curt, > > Try forwarding him this link and see how if that works. > > Hope you enjoyed the video! > > Barb > > https://www.dropbox.com/s/nh64mns7maiu0m2/Uller-at-The-Freeport-Show.mp4 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Aug 13 01:12:40 2014 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 09:12:40 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Ford E450 1999 Message-ID: Can I ask for opinions on this vehicle from the lists membership, please? 1999 Ford E450 Superduty with the V10 Triton engine. 78800 miles Auto box with overdrive LPG converted Four Winds RV with toy garage in the rear, 31ft long. Is the engine/transmission reliable? What about the RV body manufacturer? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/181493745234 Thoughts and opinions would be appreciated. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From regingold3 at gmail.com Wed Aug 13 02:08:03 2014 From: regingold3 at gmail.com (Reg Ingold) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 19:08:03 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Ford E450 1999 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: GOOD QUESTION! I aint got a CLUE on any answer!!! On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 6:12 PM, Listerdiesel wrote: > Can I ask for opinions on this vehicle from the lists membership, please? > > 1999 Ford E450 Superduty with the V10 Triton engine. > > 78800 miles > > Auto box with overdrive > > LPG converted > > Four Winds RV with toy garage in the rear, 31ft long. > > Is the engine/transmission reliable? What about the RV body manufacturer? > > http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/181493745234 > > Thoughts and opinions would be appreciated. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -- Reg & Marg Ingold Newcastle.NSW. Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From rfinksr at verizon.net Wed Aug 13 03:37:15 2014 From: rfinksr at verizon.net (R Fink Sr) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 05:37:15 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [SEL] Ford E450 1999 Message-ID: <9322066.1462521.1407926235571.JavaMail.root@vznit170130> If it is anything like US sold ones the transmission is weakest point. R Fink PA On 08/13/14, Listerdiesel wrote: Can I ask for opinions on this vehicle from the lists membership, please? 1999 Ford E450 Superduty with the V10 Triton engine. 78800 miles Auto box with overdrive LPG converted Four Winds RV with toy garage in the rear, 31ft long. Is the engine/transmission reliable? What about the RV body manufacturer? [1]http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/181493745234 Thoughts and opinions would be appreciated. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: [2]listerdiesel at gmail.com [3]http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel [4]http://stationary-engine.co.uk [5]http://www.oldengine.co.uk _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list [6]SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com [7]http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel References 1. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/181493745234 2. mailto:listerdiesel at gmail.com 3. http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel 4. http://stationary-engine.co.uk/ 5. http://www.oldengine.co.uk/ 6. mailto:SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com 7. http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at me.com Wed Aug 13 05:58:18 2014 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 08:58:18 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Ford E450 1999 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <520E51A2-6375-4069-A0C4-C5088A1C5616@me.com> WHAT? Come on mate, that has never stopped you from giving an opinion before! dave On Aug 13, 2014, at 5:08 AM, Reg Ingold wrote: > GOOD QUESTION! I aint got a CLUE on any answer!!! > > > On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 6:12 PM, Listerdiesel > wrote: > >> Can I ask for opinions on this vehicle from the lists membership, please? >> >> 1999 Ford E450 Superduty with the V10 Triton engine. >> >> 78800 miles >> >> Auto box with overdrive >> >> LPG converted >> >> Four Winds RV with toy garage in the rear, 31ft long. >> >> Is the engine/transmission reliable? What about the RV body manufacturer? >> >> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/181493745234 >> >> Thoughts and opinions would be appreciated. >> >> Peter >> -- >> Peter A Forbes >> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel >> http://stationary-engine.co.uk >> http://www.oldengine.co.uk >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > > -- > Reg & Marg Ingold > Newcastle.NSW. Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at me.com Wed Aug 13 06:37:12 2014 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 09:37:12 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Ford E450 1999 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <78B8BB2E-0BAC-466C-84F5-1FEC2C666BC0@me.com> Hi Peter, My observations over the years has been that most people who put out the amount of money (that it would have cost new in 1999) usually keep up real well re the upkeep on this kind of toy. That DOES NOT seem to be the case with this unit from what the current owner says about it. Are there any service records for it? Can you determine how many owners there have been? Have you looked at,smelled/tasted (yes, I said tasted) the fluid in the tranny? Have you checked out the rear end gear ratio to determine if it matches the use you foresee for the unit? If I were buying something like this I would be looking for a diesel, BUT a gas engine can take a lack of doing an oil change "on time" a lot better than can a diesel! I had a transmission in a 1999 F350 7.3 fail when the truck had about 110k miles on it. (A Ford new tranny cost about $4,000.00 installed, if I recall properly) I believe that was/is the same transmission they used in the 450. I was told (at the dealership) that that (i.e. 119/120K) is about what they expected out of it if it was used for hauling "heavy". Given that the unit is 15 years old you are going to have to put up with lots of nickel and dime repairs. It's the $10.00 dollar ones that are real a "kick in the head" or ass (as the case may be)! Good luck with whatever you decide! Dave On Aug 13, 2014, at 4:12 AM, Listerdiesel wrote: > Can I ask for opinions on this vehicle from the lists membership, please? > > 1999 Ford E450 Superduty with the V10 Triton engine. > > 78800 miles > > Auto box with overdrive > > LPG converted > > Four Winds RV with toy garage in the rear, 31ft long. > > Is the engine/transmission reliable? What about the RV body manufacturer? > > http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/181493745234 > > Thoughts and opinions would be appreciated. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From kast13iron at yahoo.com Wed Aug 13 07:28:16 2014 From: kast13iron at yahoo.com (J) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 07:28:16 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Brass tag etching service?? Message-ID: <1407940096.28888.YahooMailNeo@web140701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Is there anyone or business who etches brass tags in small quanity??? If so contact info please. From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Aug 13 09:00:28 2014 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 17:00:28 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Ford E450 1999 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks for the comments! We took the 6-wheel drawbar trailer down to the south of France in June (we left the Ruston diesel in Holland) and we covered nearly 2000 miles towing it around and living in it when we stopped. It worked well, but like in so many things in life we changed direction a bit and are now looking at other options. Annual mileage for the trailer this year is probably 3000 miles, and if we picked up an RV it wouldn't be a daily driver, just used to go to shows with an engine. The V10 and V8 of that series had an issue with spark plug threads failing, that's about all I can find bad about them. The E450 Super Duty seems to be pretty well liked. Maintenance isn't an issue, finding parking for the thing will be :) We'll be in CA next month, house-sitting for Tim again, so we'll be looking round the RV dealers while we are there. Peter On 13 August 2014 16:00, chuck franklin wrote: > Peter, > > I just gave my son my 1995 ford motor home. The only problems I had were > the fuel pump failure and the total faliure of the toque converter, ford > used a light duty converter in the 1995 v-8 models. (78,500 miles) I have > seen some nice class A models with cat engine going for $30,000 over here > if you are not worried about shipping. > > Chuck > > > > ------------------------------ > Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 09:12:40 +0100 > Subject: Ford E450 1999 > From: listerdiesel at gmail.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > CC: stationary-engine at oldengine.org > > > Can I ask for opinions on this vehicle from the lists membership, please? > > 1999 Ford E450 Superduty with the V10 Triton engine. > > 78800 miles > > Auto box with overdrive > > LPG converted > > Four Winds RV with toy garage in the rear, 31ft long. > > Is the engine/transmission reliable? What about the RV body manufacturer? > > http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/181493745234 > > Thoughts and opinions would be appreciated. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > http://stationary-engine.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.co.uk > -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From sluggo54 at hotmail.com Wed Aug 13 14:38:36 2014 From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (sluggo54) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 15:38:36 -0600 Subject: [SEL] =?utf-8?q?Spam=3E_E450?= Message-ID: Peter, special caution here: "The front window seal over the cab is?covered?in bathroom?mastic - NOT BY US?- and probably just requires removing completely, cleaning?and resealing properly." Check under the window area for rot. ?Not impossible fix but can be a real pita. ?Also, don't let any amateurs near the V10's spark plugs. ?The early ones used a short thread section plug, the heads are aluminium. ?It is quite easy to cross thread and strip... Bruce Younger Sluggo54 at hotmail.com I practice the art of? Klik Pao From bakermonitor1932 at hotmail.com Thu Aug 14 10:43:38 2014 From: bakermonitor1932 at hotmail.com (Devin Holland) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2014 13:43:38 -0400 Subject: [SEL] f450 V10 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It seems my father is not active on the list at the moment. as we had a problem with his 2001 f350 truck. After the first 100000 miles it decided it didn't like having an exhaust and broke half the studs on the manifold. This continues to be a problem and he is changing the studs about every 2-3 years. The only other problem is that the ring around the over drive button on the shifter breaks off about every 2years $15 every time. Other than that it has been a wonderful truck. Devin Holland From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Aug 14 14:18:21 2014 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2014 22:18:21 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Spam> E450 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bruce & Devin: Thanks for the comments, really appreciate the input. The bodywork is not so much of an issue as we can rebuild if need be, but the plug situation goes back to 1999 and there are three sizes of repair kits to repair the problem, plus new heads if you feel flush.The depth of material only allows for 4 threads of engagement, and any seizure of the threads in the ali casting will tear the threads out if you pull the plug out with force. We use Copaslip on our own V8's and take them out every 10000 miles to check & gap. They are good for 80000 miles, we changed our first set at 60000 and they looked fine. The weight carrying capacity of that rear compartment in the E450 is only 650kg or 1430# in old money. Take out the racks and tool cupboards.... The big Ruston goes 1300kg or 2860# complete, the new Ruston (did I mention we had bought another horizontal diesel?) is going to be lighter, but still over that weight limit, and we don't seem able to be able to uprate the chassis/axle weights in any way, so that one is probably a non-starter. Sideways thinking: We could take the three axles off the trailer and plonk the whole thing onto a LWB truck chassis. I'm also going to try and get my heavy goods licence reinstated, that will enable me to go up to 32 tonnes with a rigid and drawbar trailer, that should be enough.... :-) Peter On 13 August 2014 22:38, sluggo54 wrote: > Peter, special caution here: > "The front window seal over the cab is covered in bathroom mastic - NOT BY > US - and probably just requires removing completely, cleaning and resealing > properly." > Check under the window area for rot. Not impossible fix but can be a real > pita. Also, don't let any amateurs near the V10's spark plugs. The early > ones used a short thread section plug, the heads are aluminium. It is > quite easy to cross thread and strip... > > > Bruce Younger > Sluggo54 at hotmail.com > I practice the art of > Klik Pao > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel http://stationary-engine.co.uk http://www.oldengine.co.uk From scottandsusan.richards at gmail.com Thu Aug 14 17:52:36 2014 From: scottandsusan.richards at gmail.com (Scott Richards) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2014 17:52:36 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Economy Antique Engine Message-ID: <53ed59de.61b8440a.6c6a.0d5f@mx.google.com> I recently (three days ago) purchased an 1-1/2 HP Economy (Hercules) Model E engine with Serial No. 71260 (1914 or 1915 year of manufacture) that had not been run for six or seven years. This is my first antique engine and first exposure to antique engines in general. After cleaning up the engine (mostly exterior) I was able to get the engine running after finding the Instruction Book for the Model E engine on the Hercules website. When I first ran the engine, I heard a knocking noise from the crankshaft area. I felt the bearings at the crankshaft end of the connecting rod and it felt loose. I removed the two thinnest steel liner strips on each side of the bearing and put the bearing back together and ran the engine. The noise was still there so I assumed it must be coming from the crank shaft bearing. I removed the crank shaft bearings and found that one half of each bearing on each side was broken and in pieces. I understand that these bearings are "made of special die cast babbitt." My question is where I can obtain some replacement bearings. One of the bearing halves that was not broken had a crack in it, so I probably need at least 3 half-bearings. Also, I am not sure if I have the battery/coil properly hooked up. I ran a wire from the battery to the + side of the coil and then a wire from the - side of the coil to the igniter. I then ran a wire from the ground post on the engine (next to the igniter) to the negative terminal of the battery. It seemed to work, but I was not sure if this wiring scheme was providing the spark advantage of the coil or not. The engine requires considerable cranking in order to get it started, but that could be for other reasons. In checking to see if the igniter was producing a spark when hooked up just to the battery by breaking the points contact, I may have pitted the points. Can I just file down the contact points to see if that helps with the hard starting? Sorry for the "newbie" type questions, but any help would be appreciated. Thanks. Scott Richards 1700 Spring Grove Road Hollister, CA 95023 559.901.1664 (Susan's cell phone) 559.647.9892 (Scott's cell phone) scottandsusan.richards at gmail.com From oldironnut at windstream.net Fri Aug 15 06:54:06 2014 From: oldironnut at windstream.net (Michael Tucker) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2014 09:54:06 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Economy Antique Engine In-Reply-To: <53ed59de.61b8440a.6c6a.0d5f@mx.google.com> References: <53ed59de.61b8440a.6c6a.0d5f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <14B769BE-A536-4634-B21D-637A3F913EA8@windstream.net> Scott, Congrats on your first engine and getting it running! Keith Kinney will know better than I (he?s at the Badger Steam and Gas Show right now and then will be going on to the Portland show so he may be tough to contact right now) but if you go to http://starboltenginesupplies.com and then open his catalog pdf you can find the main and crank bearings for your Economy on page 8 (item 210 A1, 210 A2 or 210 A3). You can call and talk to Bill at Starbolt to make sure that these will indeed fit your engine. Also talk to Bill about a new gudgeon pin for the piston and bearing for the crank as those are common sources of engine knock. Hope this helps, Mike On Aug 14, 2014, at 8:52 PM, Scott Richards wrote: > I recently (three days ago) purchased an 1-1/2 HP Economy (Hercules) Model E > engine with Serial No. 71260 (1914 or 1915 year of manufacture) that had not > been run for six or seven years. This is my first antique engine and first > exposure to antique engines in general. After cleaning up the engine (mostly > exterior) I was able to get the engine running after finding the Instruction > Book for the Model E engine on the Hercules website. > > > > When I first ran the engine, I heard a knocking noise from the crankshaft > area. I felt the bearings at the crankshaft end of the connecting rod and it > felt loose. I removed the two thinnest steel liner strips on each side of > the bearing and put the bearing back together and ran the engine. The noise > was still there so I assumed it must be coming from the crank shaft bearing. > I removed the crank shaft bearings and found that one half of each bearing > on each side was broken and in pieces. I understand that these bearings are > "made of special die cast babbitt." My question is where I can obtain some > replacement bearings. One of the bearing halves that was not broken had a > crack in it, so I probably need at least 3 half-bearings. > > Also, I am not sure if I have the battery/coil properly hooked up. I ran a > wire from the battery to the + side of the coil and then a wire from the - > side of the coil to the igniter. I then ran a wire from the ground post on > the engine (next to the igniter) to the negative terminal of the battery. It > seemed to work, but I was not sure if this wiring scheme was providing the > spark advantage of the coil or not. The engine requires considerable > cranking in order to get it started, but that could be for other reasons. > > > > In checking to see if the igniter was producing a spark when hooked up just > to the battery by breaking the points contact, I may have pitted the points. > Can I just file down the contact points to see if that helps with the hard > starting? > > > > Sorry for the "newbie" type questions, but any help would be appreciated. > Thanks. > > > > > > Scott Richards > > 1700 Spring Grove Road > > Hollister, CA 95023 > > 559.901.1664 (Susan's cell phone) > > 559.647.9892 (Scott's cell phone) > > scottandsusan.richards at gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From scottandsusan.richards at gmail.com Fri Aug 15 09:03:19 2014 From: scottandsusan.richards at gmail.com (Scott Richards) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2014 09:03:19 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Economy Antique Engine In-Reply-To: <14B769BE-A536-4634-B21D-637A3F913EA8@windstream.net> References: <53ed59de.61b8440a.6c6a.0d5f@mx.google.com> <14B769BE-A536-4634-B21D-637A3F913EA8@windstream.net> Message-ID: <53ee2f54.a189440a.57e9.5945@mx.google.com> Thank you for the information and parts lead. I did remove two of the shims on the connecting rod, but now will research the "gudgeon" pin further. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Michael Tucker Sent: Friday, August 15, 2014 6:54 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Antique Engine Scott, Congrats on your first engine and getting it running! Keith Kinney will know better than I (he's at the Badger Steam and Gas Show right now and then will be going on to the Portland show so he may be tough to contact right now) but if you go to http://starboltenginesupplies.com and then open his catalog pdf you can find the main and crank bearings for your Economy on page 8 (item 210 A1, 210 A2 or 210 A3). You can call and talk to Bill at Starbolt to make sure that these will indeed fit your engine. Also talk to Bill about a new gudgeon pin for the piston and bearing for the crank as those are common sources of engine knock. Hope this helps, Mike On Aug 14, 2014, at 8:52 PM, Scott Richards wrote: > I recently (three days ago) purchased an 1-1/2 HP Economy (Hercules) > Model E engine with Serial No. 71260 (1914 or 1915 year of > manufacture) that had not been run for six or seven years. This is my > first antique engine and first exposure to antique engines in general. > After cleaning up the engine (mostly > exterior) I was able to get the engine running after finding the > Instruction Book for the Model E engine on the Hercules website. > > > > When I first ran the engine, I heard a knocking noise from the > crankshaft area. I felt the bearings at the crankshaft end of the > connecting rod and it felt loose. I removed the two thinnest steel > liner strips on each side of the bearing and put the bearing back > together and ran the engine. The noise was still there so I assumed it must be coming from the crank shaft bearing. > I removed the crank shaft bearings and found that one half of each > bearing on each side was broken and in pieces. I understand that these > bearings are "made of special die cast babbitt." My question is where > I can obtain some replacement bearings. One of the bearing halves that > was not broken had a crack in it, so I probably need at least 3 half-bearings. > > Also, I am not sure if I have the battery/coil properly hooked up. I > ran a wire from the battery to the + side of the coil and then a wire > from the - side of the coil to the igniter. I then ran a wire from the > ground post on the engine (next to the igniter) to the negative > terminal of the battery. It seemed to work, but I was not sure if this > wiring scheme was providing the spark advantage of the coil or not. > The engine requires considerable cranking in order to get it started, but that could be for other reasons. > > > > In checking to see if the igniter was producing a spark when hooked up > just to the battery by breaking the points contact, I may have pitted the points. > Can I just file down the contact points to see if that helps with the hard > starting? > > > > Sorry for the "newbie" type questions, but any help would be appreciated. > Thanks. > > > > > > Scott Richards > > 1700 Spring Grove Road > > Hollister, CA 95023 > > 559.901.1664 (Susan's cell phone) > > 559.647.9892 (Scott's cell phone) > > scottandsusan.richards at gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From oldironnut at windstream.net Fri Aug 15 10:42:29 2014 From: oldironnut at windstream.net (Michael Tucker) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2014 13:42:29 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Economy Antique Engine In-Reply-To: <53ee2f54.a189440a.57e9.5945@mx.google.com> References: <53ed59de.61b8440a.6c6a.0d5f@mx.google.com> <14B769BE-A536-4634-B21D-637A3F913EA8@windstream.net> <53ee2f54.a189440a.57e9.5945@mx.google.com> Message-ID: On Aug 15, 2014, at 12:03 PM, Scott Richards wrote: > Thank you for the information and parts lead. I did remove two of the shims > on the connecting rod, but now will research the "gudgeon" pin further. aka, the wrist pin? the 3/4?-ish rod that connects the connecting rod to the piston. It doesn?t get as much oil as it should so it and the bushing are notorious places for wear and subsequently engine ?knock.? Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Michael Tucker > Sent: Friday, August 15, 2014 6:54 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Antique Engine > > Scott, > > Congrats on your first engine and getting it running! Keith Kinney will know > better than I (he's at the Badger Steam and Gas Show right now and then will > be going on to the Portland show so he may be tough to contact right now) > but if you go to http://starboltenginesupplies.com and then open his catalog > pdf you can find the main and crank bearings for your Economy on page 8 > (item 210 A1, 210 A2 or 210 A3). You can call and talk to Bill at Starbolt > to make sure that these will indeed fit your engine. Also talk to Bill about > a new gudgeon pin for the piston and bearing for the crank as those are > common sources of engine knock. > > Hope this helps, > Mike > > On Aug 14, 2014, at 8:52 PM, Scott Richards > wrote: > >> I recently (three days ago) purchased an 1-1/2 HP Economy (Hercules) >> Model E engine with Serial No. 71260 (1914 or 1915 year of >> manufacture) that had not been run for six or seven years. This is my >> first antique engine and first exposure to antique engines in general. >> After cleaning up the engine (mostly >> exterior) I was able to get the engine running after finding the >> Instruction Book for the Model E engine on the Hercules website. >> >> >> >> When I first ran the engine, I heard a knocking noise from the >> crankshaft area. I felt the bearings at the crankshaft end of the >> connecting rod and it felt loose. I removed the two thinnest steel >> liner strips on each side of the bearing and put the bearing back >> together and ran the engine. The noise was still there so I assumed it > must be coming from the crank shaft bearing. >> I removed the crank shaft bearings and found that one half of each >> bearing on each side was broken and in pieces. I understand that these >> bearings are "made of special die cast babbitt." My question is where >> I can obtain some replacement bearings. One of the bearing halves that >> was not broken had a crack in it, so I probably need at least 3 > half-bearings. >> >> Also, I am not sure if I have the battery/coil properly hooked up. I >> ran a wire from the battery to the + side of the coil and then a wire >> from the - side of the coil to the igniter. I then ran a wire from the >> ground post on the engine (next to the igniter) to the negative >> terminal of the battery. It seemed to work, but I was not sure if this >> wiring scheme was providing the spark advantage of the coil or not. >> The engine requires considerable cranking in order to get it started, but > that could be for other reasons. >> >> >> >> In checking to see if the igniter was producing a spark when hooked up >> just to the battery by breaking the points contact, I may have pitted the > points. >> Can I just file down the contact points to see if that helps with the hard >> starting? >> >> >> >> Sorry for the "newbie" type questions, but any help would be appreciated. >> Thanks. >> >> >> >> >> >> Scott Richards >> >> 1700 Spring Grove Road >> >> Hollister, CA 95023 >> >> 559.901.1664 (Susan's cell phone) >> >> 559.647.9892 (Scott's cell phone) >> >> scottandsusan.richards at gmail.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From scottandsusan.richards at gmail.com Fri Aug 15 11:47:13 2014 From: scottandsusan.richards at gmail.com (Scott Richards) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2014 11:47:13 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Economy Antique Engine In-Reply-To: References: <53ed59de.61b8440a.6c6a.0d5f@mx.google.com> <14B769BE-A536-4634-B21D-637A3F913EA8@windstream.net> <53ee2f54.a189440a.57e9.5945@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <53ee55bb.8584440a.7cc1.683a@mx.google.com> Thanks. I thought that might be what it was (wrist pin). Do I need to remove the head cover to remove the piston, or can I remove it from the crank end by removing the governor first? I didn't want to "disturb" the head gasket if not necessary, but then maybe I should look at the valve seats anyway. Scott -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Michael Tucker Sent: Friday, August 15, 2014 10:42 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Antique Engine On Aug 15, 2014, at 12:03 PM, Scott Richards wrote: > Thank you for the information and parts lead. I did remove two of the > shims on the connecting rod, but now will research the "gudgeon" pin further. aka, the wrist pin. the 3/4"-ish rod that connects the connecting rod to the piston. It doesn't get as much oil as it should so it and the bushing are notorious places for wear and subsequently engine "knock." Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Michael > Tucker > Sent: Friday, August 15, 2014 6:54 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Antique Engine > > Scott, > > Congrats on your first engine and getting it running! Keith Kinney > will know better than I (he's at the Badger Steam and Gas Show right > now and then will be going on to the Portland show so he may be tough > to contact right now) but if you go to > http://starboltenginesupplies.com and then open his catalog pdf you > can find the main and crank bearings for your Economy on page 8 (item > 210 A1, 210 A2 or 210 A3). You can call and talk to Bill at Starbolt > to make sure that these will indeed fit your engine. Also talk to Bill > about a new gudgeon pin for the piston and bearing for the crank as those are common sources of engine knock. > > Hope this helps, > Mike > > On Aug 14, 2014, at 8:52 PM, Scott Richards > wrote: > >> I recently (three days ago) purchased an 1-1/2 HP Economy (Hercules) >> Model E engine with Serial No. 71260 (1914 or 1915 year of >> manufacture) that had not been run for six or seven years. This is my >> first antique engine and first exposure to antique engines in general. >> After cleaning up the engine (mostly >> exterior) I was able to get the engine running after finding the >> Instruction Book for the Model E engine on the Hercules website. >> >> >> >> When I first ran the engine, I heard a knocking noise from the >> crankshaft area. I felt the bearings at the crankshaft end of the >> connecting rod and it felt loose. I removed the two thinnest steel >> liner strips on each side of the bearing and put the bearing back >> together and ran the engine. The noise was still there so I assumed >> it > must be coming from the crank shaft bearing. >> I removed the crank shaft bearings and found that one half of each >> bearing on each side was broken and in pieces. I understand that >> these bearings are "made of special die cast babbitt." My question is >> where I can obtain some replacement bearings. One of the bearing >> halves that was not broken had a crack in it, so I probably need at >> least 3 > half-bearings. >> >> Also, I am not sure if I have the battery/coil properly hooked up. I >> ran a wire from the battery to the + side of the coil and then a wire >> from the - side of the coil to the igniter. I then ran a wire from >> the ground post on the engine (next to the igniter) to the negative >> terminal of the battery. It seemed to work, but I was not sure if >> this wiring scheme was providing the spark advantage of the coil or not. >> The engine requires considerable cranking in order to get it started, >> but > that could be for other reasons. >> >> >> >> In checking to see if the igniter was producing a spark when hooked >> up just to the battery by breaking the points contact, I may have >> pitted the > points. >> Can I just file down the contact points to see if that helps with the hard >> starting? >> >> >> >> Sorry for the "newbie" type questions, but any help would be appreciated. >> Thanks. >> >> >> >> >> >> Scott Richards >> >> 1700 Spring Grove Road >> >> Hollister, CA 95023 >> >> 559.901.1664 (Susan's cell phone) >> >> 559.647.9892 (Scott's cell phone) >> >> scottandsusan.richards at gmail.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From oldironnut at windstream.net Fri Aug 15 13:30:03 2014 From: oldironnut at windstream.net (Michael Tucker) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2014 16:30:03 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Economy Antique Engine In-Reply-To: <53ee55bb.8584440a.7cc1.683a@mx.google.com> References: <53ed59de.61b8440a.6c6a.0d5f@mx.google.com> <14B769BE-A536-4634-B21D-637A3F913EA8@windstream.net> <53ee2f54.a189440a.57e9.5945@mx.google.com> <53ee55bb.8584440a.7cc1.683a@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <2450D88B-1AB5-4B66-992A-F353712E6116@windstream.net> On Aug 15, 2014, at 2:47 PM, Scott Richards wrote: > Thanks. I thought that might be what it was (wrist pin). Do I need to remove > the head cover to remove the piston, or can I remove it from the crank end > by removing the governor first? I didn't want to "disturb" the head gasket > if not necessary, but then maybe I should look at the valve seats anyway. I?m in the ?if it ain?t broke don?t fix it? camp so I wouldn?t pull the head if it?s not necessary. Spinning it over without a functional ignition should give you an idea if the valves are leaky. If not, leave the head alone? if they are pull it, reseat the valves, cut a new head gasket, put it back together and you?re on your way. As for taking a look at and/or replacing the wrist pin, it?s easy to unscrew the governor from it?s shaft and pull the piston out of the back of the cylinder (this is the way that I would do it regardless of what you do with the head). If the wrist pin and rod bushing is worn, replace them, clean out any sludge in the cylinder, put her back together, fire her up and have a cold one while you enjoy the stack music! :-) Have fun, Mike > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com//2 > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Michael Tucker > Sent: Friday, August 15, 2014 10:42 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Antique Engine > > On Aug 15, 2014, at 12:03 PM, Scott Richards > wrote: > >> Thank you for the information and parts lead. I did remove two of the >> shims on the connecting rod, but now will research the "gudgeon" pin > further. > > aka, the wrist pin. the 3/4"-ish rod that connects the connecting rod to the > piston. It doesn't get as much oil as it should so it and the bushing are > notorious places for wear and subsequently engine "knock." > > Mike > >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Michael >> Tucker >> Sent: Friday, August 15, 2014 6:54 AM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Antique Engine >> >> Scott, >> >> Congrats on your first engine and getting it running! Keith Kinney >> will know better than I (he's at the Badger Steam and Gas Show right >> now and then will be going on to the Portland show so he may be tough >> to contact right now) but if you go to >> http://starboltenginesupplies.com and then open his catalog pdf you >> can find the main and crank bearings for your Economy on page 8 (item >> 210 A1, 210 A2 or 210 A3). You can call and talk to Bill at Starbolt >> to make sure that these will indeed fit your engine. Also talk to Bill >> about a new gudgeon pin for the piston and bearing for the crank as those > are common sources of engine knock. >> >> Hope this helps, >> Mike >> >> On Aug 14, 2014, at 8:52 PM, Scott Richards >> wrote: >> >>> I recently (three days ago) purchased an 1-1/2 HP Economy (Hercules) >>> Model E engine with Serial No. 71260 (1914 or 1915 year of >>> manufacture) that had not been run for six or seven years. This is my >>> first antique engine and first exposure to antique engines in general. >>> After cleaning up the engine (mostly >>> exterior) I was able to get the engine running after finding the >>> Instruction Book for the Model E engine on the Hercules website. >>> >>> >>> >>> When I first ran the engine, I heard a knocking noise from the >>> crankshaft area. I felt the bearings at the crankshaft end of the >>> connecting rod and it felt loose. I removed the two thinnest steel >>> liner strips on each side of the bearing and put the bearing back >>> together and ran the engine. The noise was still there so I assumed >>> it >> must be coming from the crank shaft bearing. >>> I removed the crank shaft bearings and found that one half of each >>> bearing on each side was broken and in pieces. I understand that >>> these bearings are "made of special die cast babbitt." My question is >>> where I can obtain some replacement bearings. One of the bearing >>> halves that was not broken had a crack in it, so I probably need at >>> least 3 >> half-bearings. >>> >>> Also, I am not sure if I have the battery/coil properly hooked up. I >>> ran a wire from the battery to the + side of the coil and then a wire >>> from the - side of the coil to the igniter. I then ran a wire from >>> the ground post on the engine (next to the igniter) to the negative >>> terminal of the battery. It seemed to work, but I was not sure if >>> this wiring scheme was providing the spark advantage of the coil or not. >>> The engine requires considerable cranking in order to get it started, >>> but >> that could be for other reasons. >>> >>> >>> >>> In checking to see if the igniter was producing a spark when hooked >>> up just to the battery by breaking the points contact, I may have >>> pitted the >> points. >>> Can I just file down the contact points to see if that helps with the > hard >>> starting? >>> >>> >>> >>> Sorry for the "newbie" type questions, but any help would be appreciated. >>> Thanks. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Scott Richards >>> >>> 1700 Spring Grove Road >>> >>> Hollister, CA 95023 >>> >>> 559.901.1664 (Susan's cell phone) >>> >>> 559.647.9892 (Scott's cell phone) >>> >>> scottandsusan.richards at gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From scottandsusan.richards at gmail.com Fri Aug 15 13:44:04 2014 From: scottandsusan.richards at gmail.com (Scott Richards) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2014 13:44:04 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Economy Antique Engine In-Reply-To: <2450D88B-1AB5-4B66-992A-F353712E6116@windstream.net> References: <53ed59de.61b8440a.6c6a.0d5f@mx.google.com> <14B769BE-A536-4634-B21D-637A3F913EA8@windstream.net> <53ee2f54.a189440a.57e9.5945@mx.google.com> <53ee55bb.8584440a.7cc1.683a@mx.google.com> <2450D88B-1AB5-4B66-992A-F353712E6116@windstream.net> Message-ID: <53ee7121.6a33460a.6d22.ffffdc7d@mx.google.com> Mike, Thanks, I will do that. I do enjoy the stack music. J The parts are on their way. Scott -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Michael Tucker Sent: Friday, August 15, 2014 1:30 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Antique Engine On Aug 15, 2014, at 2:47 PM, Scott Richards < scottandsusan.richards at gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks. I thought that might be what it was (wrist pin). Do I need to > remove the head cover to remove the piston, or can I remove it from > the crank end by removing the governor first? I didn't want to > "disturb" the head gasket if not necessary, but then maybe I should look at the valve seats anyway. I'm in the "if it ain't broke don't fix it" camp so I wouldn't pull the head if it's not necessary. Spinning it over without a functional ignition should give you an idea if the valves are leaky. If not, leave the head alone. if they are pull it, reseat the valves, cut a new head gasket, put it back together and you're on your way. As for taking a look at and/or replacing the wrist pin, it's easy to unscrew the governor from it's shaft and pull the piston out of the back of the cylinder (this is the way that I would do it regardless of what you do with the head). If the wrist pin and rod bushing is worn, replace them, clean out any sludge in the cylinder, put her back together, fire her up and have a cold one while you enjoy the stack music! :-) Have fun, Mike > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com//2 > [ mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Michael > Tucker > Sent: Friday, August 15, 2014 10:42 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Antique Engine > > On Aug 15, 2014, at 12:03 PM, Scott Richards > < scottandsusan.richards at gmail.com> wrote: > >> Thank you for the information and parts lead. I did remove two of the >> shims on the connecting rod, but now will research the "gudgeon" pin > further. > > aka, the wrist pin. the 3/4"-ish rod that connects the connecting rod > to the piston. It doesn't get as much oil as it should so it and the > bushing are notorious places for wear and subsequently engine "knock." > > Mike > >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [ mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Michael >> Tucker >> Sent: Friday, August 15, 2014 6:54 AM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Antique Engine >> >> Scott, >> >> Congrats on your first engine and getting it running! Keith Kinney >> will know better than I (he's at the Badger Steam and Gas Show right >> now and then will be going on to the Portland show so he may be tough >> to contact right now) but if you go to >> http://starboltenginesupplies.com and then open his catalog pdf you >> can find the main and crank bearings for your Economy on page 8 (item >> 210 A1, 210 A2 or 210 A3). You can call and talk to Bill at Starbolt >> to make sure that these will indeed fit your engine. Also talk to >> Bill about a new gudgeon pin for the piston and bearing for the crank >> as those > are common sources of engine knock. >> >> Hope this helps, >> Mike >> >> On Aug 14, 2014, at 8:52 PM, Scott Richards >> < scottandsusan.richards at gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I recently (three days ago) purchased an 1-1/2 HP Economy (Hercules) >>> Model E engine with Serial No. 71260 (1914 or 1915 year of >>> manufacture) that had not been run for six or seven years. This is >>> my first antique engine and first exposure to antique engines in general. >>> After cleaning up the engine (mostly >>> exterior) I was able to get the engine running after finding the >>> Instruction Book for the Model E engine on the Hercules website. >>> >>> >>> >>> When I first ran the engine, I heard a knocking noise from the >>> crankshaft area. I felt the bearings at the crankshaft end of the >>> connecting rod and it felt loose. I removed the two thinnest steel >>> liner strips on each side of the bearing and put the bearing back >>> together and ran the engine. The noise was still there so I assumed >>> it >> must be coming from the crank shaft bearing. >>> I removed the crank shaft bearings and found that one half of each >>> bearing on each side was broken and in pieces. I understand that >>> these bearings are "made of special die cast babbitt." My question >>> is where I can obtain some replacement bearings. One of the bearing >>> halves that was not broken had a crack in it, so I probably need at >>> least 3 >> half-bearings. >>> >>> Also, I am not sure if I have the battery/coil properly hooked up. I >>> ran a wire from the battery to the + side of the coil and then a >>> wire from the - side of the coil to the igniter. I then ran a wire >>> from the ground post on the engine (next to the igniter) to the >>> negative terminal of the battery. It seemed to work, but I was not >>> sure if this wiring scheme was providing the spark advantage of the coil or not. >>> The engine requires considerable cranking in order to get it >>> started, but >> that could be for other reasons. >>> >>> >>> >>> In checking to see if the igniter was producing a spark when hooked >>> up just to the battery by breaking the points contact, I may have >>> pitted the >> points. >>> Can I just file down the contact points to see if that helps with >>> the > hard >>> starting? >>> >>> >>> >>> Sorry for the "newbie" type questions, but any help would be appreciated. >>> Thanks. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Scott Richards >>> >>> 1700 Spring Grove Road >>> >>> Hollister, CA 95023 >>> >>> 559.901.1664 (Susan's cell phone) >>> >>> 559.647.9892 (Scott's cell phone) >>> >>> scottandsusan.richards at gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Sat Aug 23 16:10:39 2014 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2014 09:10:39 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Assistance in the garage Message-ID: I have been getting some help in the garage from my 3 year old assistant. Samuel did a fine job of measuring the muffler off the YC Stover: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/samuel/2014-08-23_measuring.jpg Patrick M Livingstone 0418 692013 Earlwood NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sun Aug 24 01:25:24 2014 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2014 18:25:24 +1000 Subject: [SEL] PORTLAND Message-ID: <4CE3019342B14606B61413B5406F5852@RegPC> I just saw pics of the show on facebook! That would have to be about the biggest washout yet!!!! It makes the 'shower' we had at the 'Our Town' model show seem like a minor damp! Reg & Marg Ingold Newcastle. NSW. Australia randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From cgandree at mchsi.com Sun Aug 24 12:41:45 2014 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2014 14:41:45 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [SEL] OT Electric Fork Lift specs needed In-Reply-To: <535236616.16569241408907591347.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11> Message-ID: <771912188.16572561408909305678.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11> I am looking for a spec sheet for a Raymond Electric lift truck that belongs to my conservation club. We will be moving to a new storage building soon and we have a farmer willing to to lift it on to our trailer to move. Because it does not have enough power to ride up the ramps nor on rough ground we need help to put it on the trailer. The farmer lives several miles away and doesn't want to make the drive if its too heavy for his tractor and loader. The brand name is Raymond. I have located their website but it only gives specs for how heavy a capacity it will lift not its actual weight. Because it is very old but still works the only serial tag on it says: 851-W3RTT-610. So not sure if that is the actual model number. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance, Curt Andree From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Aug 24 15:24:24 2014 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2014 18:24:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] PORTLAND In-Reply-To: <4CE3019342B14606B61413B5406F5852@RegPC> References: <4CE3019342B14606B61413B5406F5852@RegPC> Message-ID: G'day Reg, Portland was NOT a washout. A few folks who set up in the "lowlands" had their flywheels underwater for a day until things drained, but that was about it. During the day we just had a couple showers to knock down the dust. There were the usual mud bogs in the sale area and the idiots with golf carts and Gators who delighted in churning up the mud, but otherwise it was a GREAT show. I can't wait till the 50th!! See ya, Arnie On Sun, August 24, 2014 4:25 am, Reg Ingold wrote: > I just saw pics of the show on facebook! That would have to be about the > biggest washout yet!!!! > It makes the 'shower' we had at the 'Our Town' model show seem like a > minor damp! > > Reg & Marg Ingold > Newcastle. NSW. Australia > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > From jnyost at yahoo.com Sun Aug 24 15:42:06 2014 From: jnyost at yahoo.com (Jim Yost) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2014 18:42:06 -0400 Subject: [SEL] PORTLAND In-Reply-To: References: <4CE3019342B14606B61413B5406F5852@RegPC> Message-ID: <5917C416-0F0E-46DC-9C55-448697C45D09@yahoo.com> I was surprised the powers to be at Portland didn't put a stop to the butt buggies in the sales area. I guess u just need some common sense when not to ride your butt around. Had a great time there. Hey Steve the ice cream was awesome as usual! Sent from my iPhone Jim > On Aug 24, 2014, at 6:24 PM, "Arnie Fero" wrote: > > G'day Reg, > > Portland was NOT a washout. A few folks who set up in the "lowlands" > had their flywheels underwater for a day until things drained, but > that was about it. During the day we just had a couple showers to > knock down the dust. There were the usual mud bogs in the sale area > and the idiots with golf carts and Gators who delighted in churning > up the mud, but otherwise it was a GREAT show. I can't wait till the > 50th!! > > See ya, Arnie > >> On Sun, August 24, 2014 4:25 am, Reg Ingold wrote: >> I just saw pics of the show on facebook! That would have to be about the >> biggest washout yet!!!! >> It makes the 'shower' we had at the 'Our Town' model show seem like a >> minor damp! >> >> Reg & Marg Ingold >> Newcastle. NSW. Australia >> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sun Aug 24 16:39:30 2014 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 09:39:30 +1000 Subject: [SEL] PORTLAND In-Reply-To: References: <4CE3019342B14606B61413B5406F5852@RegPC> Message-ID: <480D865FE005458A86C2073B3A830610@RegPC> I too, put off thoughts of coming over this year as I want to be at the 50th event. Do you think I should bring a blow up boat as luggage? Reg & Marg Ingold Newcastle. NSW. Australia randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold -------------------------------------------------- From: "Arnie Fero" Sent: Monday, August 25, 2014 8:24 AM To: Cc: "List SEL" ; "list oldengine" Subject: Re: [SEL] PORTLAND > G'day Reg, > > Portland was NOT a washout. A few folks who set up in the "lowlands" > had their flywheels underwater for a day until things drained, but > that was about it. During the day we just had a couple showers to > knock down the dust. There were the usual mud bogs in the sale area > and the idiots with golf carts and Gators who delighted in churning > up the mud, but otherwise it was a GREAT show. I can't wait till the > 50th!! > > See ya, Arnie > > On Sun, August 24, 2014 4:25 am, Reg Ingold wrote: >> I just saw pics of the show on facebook! That would have to be about the >> biggest washout yet!!!! >> It makes the 'shower' we had at the 'Our Town' model show seem like a >> minor damp! >> >> Reg & Marg Ingold >> Newcastle. NSW. Australia >> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at me.com Sun Aug 24 17:38:43 2014 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2014 20:38:43 -0400 Subject: [SEL] PORTLAND In-Reply-To: <480D865FE005458A86C2073B3A830610@RegPC> References: <4CE3019342B14606B61413B5406F5852@RegPC> <480D865FE005458A86C2073B3A830610@RegPC> Message-ID: <7D744227-A112-4C1E-B4EC-5432F16867BD@me.com> That is probably a better idea that the damn blow up doll you brought last time you were here! Dave On Aug 24, 2014, at 7:39 PM, Reg Ingold wrote: > I too, put off thoughts of coming over this year as I want to be at the 50th > event. > Do you think I should bring a blow up boat as luggage? > Reg & Marg Ingold > Newcastle. NSW. Australia > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Arnie Fero" > Sent: Monday, August 25, 2014 8:24 AM > To: > Cc: "List SEL" ; "list oldengine" > > Subject: Re: [SEL] PORTLAND > >> G'day Reg, >> >> Portland was NOT a washout. A few folks who set up in the "lowlands" >> had their flywheels underwater for a day until things drained, but >> that was about it. During the day we just had a couple showers to >> knock down the dust. There were the usual mud bogs in the sale area >> and the idiots with golf carts and Gators who delighted in churning >> up the mud, but otherwise it was a GREAT show. I can't wait till the >> 50th!! >> >> See ya, Arnie >> >> On Sun, August 24, 2014 4:25 am, Reg Ingold wrote: >>> I just saw pics of the show on facebook! That would have to be about the >>> biggest washout yet!!!! >>> It makes the 'shower' we had at the 'Our Town' model show seem like a >>> minor damp! >>> >>> Reg & Marg Ingold >>> Newcastle. NSW. Australia >>> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From regingold3 at gmail.com Sun Aug 24 20:09:21 2014 From: regingold3 at gmail.com (Reg Ingold) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 13:09:21 +1000 Subject: [SEL] PORTLAND In-Reply-To: <7D744227-A112-4C1E-B4EC-5432F16867BD@me.com> References: <4CE3019342B14606B61413B5406F5852@RegPC> <480D865FE005458A86C2073B3A830610@RegPC> <7D744227-A112-4C1E-B4EC-5432F16867BD@me.com> Message-ID: Ha! I should have expected that from you!!! VBG On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 10:38 AM, David Rotigel wrote: > That is probably a better idea that the damn blow up doll you brought last > time you were here! > Dave > > On Aug 24, 2014, at 7:39 PM, Reg Ingold wrote: > > > I too, put off thoughts of coming over this year as I want to be at the > 50th > > event. > > Do you think I should bring a blow up boat as luggage? > > Reg & Marg Ingold > > Newcastle. NSW. Australia > > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > From: "Arnie Fero" > > Sent: Monday, August 25, 2014 8:24 AM > > To: > > Cc: "List SEL" ; "list oldengine" > > > > Subject: Re: [SEL] PORTLAND > > > >> G'day Reg, > >> > >> Portland was NOT a washout. A few folks who set up in the "lowlands" > >> had their flywheels underwater for a day until things drained, but > >> that was about it. During the day we just had a couple showers to > >> knock down the dust. There were the usual mud bogs in the sale area > >> and the idiots with golf carts and Gators who delighted in churning > >> up the mud, but otherwise it was a GREAT show. I can't wait till the > >> 50th!! > >> > >> See ya, Arnie > >> > >> On Sun, August 24, 2014 4:25 am, Reg Ingold wrote: > >>> I just saw pics of the show on facebook! That would have to be about > the > >>> biggest washout yet!!!! > >>> It makes the 'shower' we had at the 'Our Town' model show seem like a > >>> minor damp! > >>> > >>> Reg & Marg Ingold > >>> Newcastle. NSW. Australia > >>> randmingold at hotkey.net.au > >>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > >>> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -- Reg & Marg Ingold Newcastle.NSW. Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Aug 25 00:08:13 2014 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg Ingold) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 17:08:13 +1000 Subject: [SEL] earthquake Message-ID: <53DC50563D4B49E4936412CCC58BFE6D@RegPC> We have just heard on our news that Cal has had an earthquake. Are all 'our' folk ok? Reg & Marg Ingold Newcastle. NSW. Australia randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From STB440 at aol.com Mon Aug 25 07:08:59 2014 From: STB440 at aol.com (STB440 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 10:08:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] PORTLAND Message-ID: <12e9c.796ad257.412c9d7b@aol.com> Dam Reg you stepped right into that one. Must have just gotten out of bed. Tom In a message dated 8/24/2014 11:18:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, regingold3 at gmail.com writes: Ha! I should have expected that from you!!! VBG On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 10:38 AM, David Rotigel wrote: > That is probably a better idea that the damn blow up doll you brought last > time you were here! > Dave > > On Aug 24, 2014, at 7:39 PM, Reg Ingold wrote: > > > I too, put off thoughts of coming over this year as I want to be at the > 50th > > event. > > Do you think I should bring a blow up boat as luggage? > > Reg & Marg Ingold > > Newcastle. NSW. Australia > > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > From: "Arnie Fero" > > Sent: Monday, August 25, 2014 8:24 AM > > To: > > Cc: "List SEL" ; "list oldengine" > > > > Subject: Re: [SEL] PORTLAND > > > >> G'day Reg, > >> > >> Portland was NOT a washout. A few folks who set up in the "lowlands" > >> had their flywheels underwater for a day until things drained, but > >> that was about it. During the day we just had a couple showers to > >> knock down the dust. There were the usual mud bogs in the sale area > >> and the idiots with golf carts and Gators who delighted in churning > >> up the mud, but otherwise it was a GREAT show. I can't wait till the > >> 50th!! > >> > >> See ya, Arnie > >> > >> On Sun, August 24, 2014 4:25 am, Reg Ingold wrote: > >>> I just saw pics of the show on facebook! That would have to be about > the > >>> biggest washout yet!!!! > >>> It makes the 'shower' we had at the 'Our Town' model show seem like a > >>> minor damp! > >>> > >>> Reg & Marg Ingold > >>> Newcastle. NSW. Australia > >>> randmingold at hotkey.net.au > >>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > >>> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -- Reg & Marg Ingold Newcastle.NSW. Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From George.Best at adp.com Mon Aug 25 08:15:32 2014 From: George.Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 15:15:32 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT: ALS Ice Bucket Challenge Message-ID: <8ED2A37CFAC7D942985D084BE65734556C43B020@DSXMBX3HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Yesterday I helped my daughter and son-in-law complete their ice bucket challenge. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MdRLhWuYzs&feature=youtu.be This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From rob at rustyiron.com Mon Aug 25 09:57:14 2014 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 09:57:14 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT: ALS Ice Bucket Challenge In-Reply-To: <8ED2A37CFAC7D942985D084BE65734556C43B020@DSXMBX3HE.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <8ED2A37CFAC7D942985D084BE65734556C43B020@DSXMBX3HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: > On Aug 25, 2014, at 8:15 AM, Best, George wrote: > > Yesterday I helped my daughter and son-in-law complete their ice bucket challenge. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MdRLhWuYzs&feature=youtu.be Fun video. But did you help them log on to the web page and DONATE? Since you were in the video, then YOU need to donate, too, George. You still have a job so there?s no excuse. www.alsa.org From George.Best at adp.com Mon Aug 25 10:27:02 2014 From: George.Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 17:27:02 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT: ALS Ice Bucket Challenge In-Reply-To: References: <8ED2A37CFAC7D942985D084BE65734556C43B020@DSXMBX3HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <8ED2A37CFAC7D942985D084BE65734556C43C253@DSXMBX3HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Rob, Way ahead of you! I'm already signed up as a walker/fund raiser for the Portland ALS walk next month. I good friend of ours and ex-neighbor found out the beginning of this year that he has ALS, so the fund raising for ALS research has really become a lot more personal for me. His team is "Mayers Minions". Both myself "George Best" and my wife "Kathryn Best" are registered for the fund raising walk. If anyone would like to contribute in my name that would be great as my wife is kicking my butt as a fund raiser. Unfortunately, I don't have a handy link for you to click on but at the WWW.ALSA.ORG website if you search for me you can eventually find me as one of Mayers Minions. Thanks. George -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rob Skinner Sent: Monday, August 25, 2014 9:57 AM To: SEL ATIS Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: ALS Ice Bucket Challenge > On Aug 25, 2014, at 8:15 AM, Best, George wrote: > > Yesterday I helped my daughter and son-in-law complete their ice bucket challenge. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MdRLhWuYzs&feature=youtu.be Fun video. But did you help them log on to the web page and DONATE? Since you were in the video, then YOU need to donate, too, George. You still have a job so there?s no excuse. www.alsa.org _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. From rob at rustyiron.com Mon Aug 25 10:33:25 2014 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 10:33:25 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT: ALS Ice Bucket Challenge In-Reply-To: <8ED2A37CFAC7D942985D084BE65734556C43C253@DSXMBX3HE.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <8ED2A37CFAC7D942985D084BE65734556C43B020@DSXMBX3HE.ds.ad.adp.com> <8ED2A37CFAC7D942985D084BE65734556C43C253@DSXMBX3HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <922A7248-C893-4CEA-9948-A272BC075642@rustyiron.com> > On Aug 25, 2014, at 10:27 AM, Best, George wrote: > > Rob, > > Way ahead of you! > > I'm already signed up as a walker/fund raiser for the Portland ALS walk next month. > > I good friend of ours and ex-neighbor found out the beginning of this year that he has ALS, so the fund raising for ALS research has really become a lot more personal for me. > > His team is "Mayers Minions". > Both myself "George Best" and my wife "Kathryn Best" are registered for the fund raising walk. > > If anyone would like to contribute in my name that would be great as my wife is kicking my butt as a fund raiser. > > Unfortunately, I don't have a handy link for you to click on but at the WWW.ALSA.ORG website if you search for me you can eventually find me as one of Mayers Minions. > > Thanks. > > George Good on ya, George. I chose to NOT dump water on my head. Instead, the challenge I chose for myself is to call out everyone who posts a video and neglects to mention an link where others can donate. Rob From zarco at sonic.net Mon Aug 25 11:47:43 2014 From: zarco at sonic.net (Steve) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 11:47:43 -0700 Subject: [SEL] earthquake Message-ID: <001301cfc095$108c8b60$236294d1@starwars> I'm in Santa Rosa, CA which is not far from the epicenter. We had quite a shake. About 1" of water sloshed out of the pool, a few items fell off shelves but no structural damage or natural gas leaks here. It was a rude awakening (3:20 AM)! The folks in and around Napa were hit quite hard. Lots of wine lost...doubt many will be crying in their beer about THAT. Not as bad as the 1989 Loma Prieta quake which was further away but much stronger. Steve From rotigel at me.com Mon Aug 25 13:02:50 2014 From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 16:02:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] PORTLAND In-Reply-To: <12e9c.796ad257.412c9d7b@aol.com> References: <12e9c.796ad257.412c9d7b@aol.com> Message-ID: <2CAFA2D1-09AC-4F8D-BE16-F48413DCFFE1@me.com> That doll NEVER left Reg's bed the WHOLE time he (they?) was (were) at Portland! Dave On Aug 25, 2014, at 10:08 AM, STB440 at aol.com wrote: > Dam Reg you stepped right into that one. Must have just gotten out of bed. > > Tom > > > In a message dated 8/24/2014 11:18:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > regingold3 at gmail.com writes: > > Ha! I should have expected that from you!!! VBG > > > On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 10:38 AM, David Rotigel wrote: > >> That is probably a better idea that the damn blow up doll you brought > last >> time you were here! >> Dave >> >> On Aug 24, 2014, at 7:39 PM, Reg Ingold > wrote: >> >>> I too, put off thoughts of coming over this year as I want to be at the >> 50th >>> event. >>> Do you think I should bring a blow up boat as luggage? >>> Reg & Marg Ingold >>> Newcastle. NSW. Australia >>> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >>> >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------- >>> From: "Arnie Fero" >>> Sent: Monday, August 25, 2014 8:24 AM >>> To: >>> Cc: "List SEL" ; "list oldengine" >>> >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] PORTLAND >>> >>>> G'day Reg, >>>> >>>> Portland was NOT a washout. A few folks who set up in the "lowlands" >>>> had their flywheels underwater for a day until things drained, but >>>> that was about it. During the day we just had a couple showers to >>>> knock down the dust. There were the usual mud bogs in the sale area >>>> and the idiots with golf carts and Gators who delighted in churning >>>> up the mud, but otherwise it was a GREAT show. I can't wait till the >>>> 50th!! >>>> >>>> See ya, Arnie >>>> >>>> On Sun, August 24, 2014 4:25 am, Reg Ingold wrote: >>>>> I just saw pics of the show on facebook! That would have to be about >> the >>>>> biggest washout yet!!!! >>>>> It makes the 'shower' we had at the 'Our Town' model show seem like a >>>>> minor damp! >>>>> >>>>> Reg & Marg Ingold >>>>> Newcastle. NSW. Australia >>>>> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >>>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > > -- > Reg & Marg Ingold > Newcastle.NSW. Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rob at rustyiron.com Mon Aug 25 14:11:16 2014 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 14:11:16 -0700 Subject: [SEL] earthquake In-Reply-To: <001301cfc095$108c8b60$236294d1@starwars> References: <001301cfc095$108c8b60$236294d1@starwars> Message-ID: > On Aug 25, 2014, at 11:47 AM, Steve wrote: > > I'm in Santa Rosa, CA which is not far from the epicenter. We had quite a > shake. About 1" of water sloshed out of the pool, a few items fell off > shelves but no structural damage or natural gas leaks here. It was > a rude awakening (3:20 AM)! The folks in and around Napa were > hit quite hard. Lots of wine lost...doubt many will be crying in their > beer about THAT. Not as bad as the 1989 Loma Prieta quake > which was further away but much stronger. > Steve Glad to hear you?re ok, Steve. From your report, it?s safe to assume that the taps will still flow at the Russian River Brewing Company. From swebre at hotmail.com Mon Aug 25 15:17:43 2014 From: swebre at hotmail.com (Steve Webre) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 22:17:43 +0000 Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 125, Issue 17 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > Hey Steve the ice cream was awesome as usual!>Sent from my iPhone >Jim Thanks Jim! We'll do it again next year. -Steve- From r7734g at hotmail.com Mon Aug 25 20:31:47 2014 From: r7734g at hotmail.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 20:31:47 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT Electric Fork Lift specs needed In-Reply-To: <771912188.16572561408909305678.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11> References: <535236616.16569241408907591347.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>, <771912188.16572561408909305678.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11> Message-ID: Curt I don't know the specifics for your machine but the lifting capacity should give you a close estimate. Most 5000 lb forklifts weigh a little over 8000 lbs. I suspect if you keep the same ratio and scale the numbers you will get a reasonable answer. If the lift has a 3000 lb capacity then apply the 1.6:1 ratio and you get 4800 lbs. I would round up for good measure and guess 5000 lbs. Others may pooh-pooh my suggestion but it is better than no specs at all. Ron > Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2014 14:41:45 -0500 > From: cgandree at mchsi.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; stationary-engine at oldengine.org > Subject: [SEL] OT Electric Fork Lift specs needed > > I am looking for a spec sheet for a Raymond Electric lift truck that belongs to my conservation club. We will be moving to a new storage building soon and we have a farmer willing to to lift it on to our trailer to move. Because it does not have enough power to ride up the ramps nor on rough ground we need help to put it on the trailer. The farmer lives several miles away and doesn't want to make the drive if its too heavy for his tractor and loader. The brand name is Raymond. I have located their website but it only gives specs for how heavy a capacity it will lift not its actual weight. Because it is very old but still works the only serial tag on it says: 851-W3RTT-610. So not sure if that is the actual model number. > Any help would be appreciated. > Thanks in advance, > Curt Andree > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bakermonitor1932 at hotmail.com Tue Aug 26 10:33:10 2014 From: bakermonitor1932 at hotmail.com (Devin Holland) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 13:33:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT Electric Fork Lift specs Message-ID: Curt I went looking for information on a Raymond w3rtt loader and found 2 for sale. http://www.hermanstools.com/view-listing.php?id=2099 http://www.govdeals.com/index.cfm?fa=Main.Item&rd&itemID=593&acctID=453 I was unable to find a manual for these but was able to look up the current model and its manual. http://www.raymondcorp.com/RRS-Stacker It is supposed to weigh 4450 as your machine is older it will probably be a little heavier due to advances in batterys. Devin Holland From mr at carolina.rr.com Wed Aug 27 14:49:11 2014 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 17:49:11 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT: ALS Ice Bucket Challenge In-Reply-To: <8ED2A37CFAC7D942985D084BE65734556C43B020@DSXMBX3HE.ds.ad.adp.com> References: <8ED2A37CFAC7D942985D084BE65734556C43B020@DSXMBX3HE.ds.ad.adp.com> Message-ID: <6BBC1621C7EA4C97A231EEC0D5FFE323@RoysterPC> Very cool! -----Original Message----- From: Best, George Sent: Monday, August 25, 2014 11:15 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] OT: ALS Ice Bucket Challenge Yesterday I helped my daughter and son-in-law complete their ice bucket challenge. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MdRLhWuYzs&feature=youtu.be This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Frank at lbpinc.com Thu Aug 28 08:49:04 2014 From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt LBP) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 11:49:04 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Rough and Tumble In-Reply-To: <206955338.48746.1406576240482.JavaMail.root@vznit170070> References: <206955338.48746.1406576240482.JavaMail.root@vznit170070> Message-ID: <53FF4F70.6060707@lbpinc.com> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WECWMP5vNIU A good video (not mine) of R&T this year. It was a great show. wide variety of equipment, perfect weather, great people. BTW These people really know how to treat exhibitors. Besides the free admision and the other stuff they provided free baked goods, coffee, ice tea and water for exhibitors all day every day. Frank -- The question is not, who uses faith and who uses reason? Everyone uses both. The question instead should be, who has the most reasonable faith?? ? J.F. Baldwin HONOR GOD SERVE PEOPLE DEVELOP EXCELLENCE GROW PROFITABLE FOLLOWING BIBLICAL PRINCIPLES Frank DeWitt | mailto:frank at lbpinc.com Mechanical Design | Phone: 585 624 3052 LBP INC. | Fax 585 624 1038 2365 Cox Rd. | Bloomfield NY 14469 |Web http://www.lbpinc.com/ From Frank at lbpinc.com Thu Aug 28 09:35:52 2014 From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt LBP) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 12:35:52 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Rough and Tumble In-Reply-To: <53FF4F70.6060707@lbpinc.com> References: <206955338.48746.1406576240482.JavaMail.root@vznit170070> <53FF4F70.6060707@lbpinc.com> Message-ID: <53FF5A68.6080204@lbpinc.com> There are quite a few good videos of this years show. Here is a link to a you tube search https://www.youtube.com/results?filters=month&search_query=rough+and+tumble+2014&lclk=month Everything from tiny models to steam shovels https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFsbbWZ-PQg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCbLJOupBOo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNJixBYnnUE On 8/28/2014 11:49 AM, Frank DeWitt LBP wrote: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WECWMP5vNIU > > A good video (not mine) of R&T this year. It was a great show. wide > variety of equipment, perfect weather, great people. > > BTW These people really know how to treat exhibitors. Besides the free > admision and the other stuff they provided free baked goods, coffee, ice > tea and water for exhibitors all day every day. > > Frank > > -- The question is not, who uses faith and who uses reason? Everyone uses both. The question instead should be, who has the most reasonable faith?? ? J.F. Baldwin HONOR GOD SERVE PEOPLE DEVELOP EXCELLENCE GROW PROFITABLE FOLLOWING BIBLICAL PRINCIPLES Frank DeWitt | mailto:frank at lbpinc.com Mechanical Design | Phone: 585 624 3052 LBP INC. | Fax 585 624 1038 2365 Cox Rd. | Bloomfield NY 14469 |Web http://www.lbpinc.com/ From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 28 10:18:32 2014 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 10:18:32 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Rough and Tumble In-Reply-To: <53FF4F70.6060707@lbpinc.com> References: <206955338.48746.1406576240482.JavaMail.root@vznit170070> <53FF4F70.6060707@lbpinc.com> Message-ID: <1409246312.35249.YahooMailNeo@web140601.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Did you see how they were running that wooden barrel washing machine? The belt was inside the flywheel like it might have been just running on the crank shaft. I need to find one I can afford or build one for our local show. Alan in Michigan ________________________________ From: Frank DeWitt LBP To: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 11:49 AM Subject: [SEL] Rough and Tumble https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WECWMP5vNIU A good video (not mine) of R&T this year. It was a great show. wide variety of equipment, perfect weather, great people. BTW These people really know how to treat exhibitors. Besides the free admision and the other stuff they provided free baked goods, coffee, ice tea and water for exhibitors all day every day. Frank -- The question is not, who uses faith and who uses reason? Everyone uses both. The question instead should be, who has the most reasonable faith?? ? J.F. Baldwin HONOR GOD SERVE PEOPLE DEVELOP EXCELLENCE GROW PROFITABLE FOLLOWING BIBLICAL PRINCIPLES ? ? Frank DeWitt? ? ? ? ? |? mailto:frank at lbpinc.com ? ? Mechanical Design? ? ? |? Phone:? 585 624 3052 ? ? LBP? INC.? ? ? ? ? ? ? |? Fax? ? 585 624 1038 ? ? 2365 Cox Rd.? ? ? ? ? | ? ? Bloomfield NY 14469? ? |Web? http://www.lbpinc.com/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Jim at hardmanfamily.net Thu Aug 28 10:48:19 2014 From: Jim at hardmanfamily.net (Jim Hardman) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 13:48:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Rough and Tumble In-Reply-To: <53FF5A68.6080204@lbpinc.com> References: <206955338.48746.1406576240482.JavaMail.root@vznit170070><53FF4F70.6060707@lbpinc.com> <53FF5A68.6080204@lbpinc.com> Message-ID: <87D39B7B24944D04A6FCD624ED5049CC@JamesDesktop> Frank, and everyone... Rough and Tumble is one of the better shows in the country, and perhaps the very best for steam enthusiasts. We attended, and exhibited there for over thirty five years. And it was geared to family involvement; our grand children said it was their favorite week of the year. R&T's revised rules regarding "no parking" near one's exhibit forced many of us out. And the rule of "no selling from one's exhibit space" was the clincher. We always had excess stuff to sell... spark plugs, oilers, coil boxes, etc. Admittedly, the folks who came solely to sell had to go out into the hot sun across the road... and these flea market folk felt like outcasts. The new rules are not all bad... but in total, the flavor of the show changed for the old-timers. Leaving models and exhibit stuff unattended while one went to park the car seemed unreasonable to a lot of exhibitors. The steam side of this show is unsurpassed. Dozens of behemoths under steam. A superior model building. Wonderful permanent displays both of steam and IC engines. Many of the regulars at Coolspring are in attendance at R&T. The "big engine" exhibits are worth seeing. Just watch these videos. I recall entering the big permanent display building and seeing a nearly completed steam engine in the final stages of reconstruction. It was magnificent except for the color... a brilliant day-glow chartreuse. I quietly said to my wife "Who could have chosen that color..." and a voice from under the flywheel answered "I did!" Shut me up quick. Frank, these videos tell the tale. This is still a great show. And the food was wonderful. Right in the middle of Pennsylvania Dutch country, the baked goods brought in from local farms and the fresh melons were a daily treat. Show attendance dropped after the new rules were imposed, but it is obvious that attendance remains strong. The traffic on Route 30 past the grounds is still a buster, stop-and-go for several miles is no fun. Frank, thanks for the good memories. Every night our family would go out to dinner at the Harvest Inn smelling of hot oil and coal smoke. Happy memories indeed! Jim in Vermont ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank DeWitt LBP" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 12:35 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Rough and Tumble > There are quite a few good videos of this years show. Here is a link to > a you tube search > > https://www.youtube.com/results?filters=month&search_query=rough+and+tumble+2014&lclk=month > > Everything from tiny models to steam shovels > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFsbbWZ-PQg > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCbLJOupBOo > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNJixBYnnUE > > On 8/28/2014 11:49 AM, Frank DeWitt LBP wrote: >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WECWMP5vNIU >> >> A good video (not mine) of R&T this year. It was a great show. wide >> variety of equipment, perfect weather, great people. >> >> BTW These people really know how to treat exhibitors. Besides the free >> admision and the other stuff they provided free baked goods, coffee, ice >> tea and water for exhibitors all day every day. >> >> Frank >> >> > > -- > The question is not, who uses faith and who uses reason? Everyone uses > both. The question instead should be, who has the most reasonable faith?? > > ? J.F. Baldwin > > HONOR GOD > SERVE PEOPLE > DEVELOP EXCELLENCE > GROW PROFITABLE > FOLLOWING BIBLICAL PRINCIPLES > > Frank DeWitt | mailto:frank at lbpinc.com > Mechanical Design | Phone: 585 624 3052 > LBP INC. | Fax 585 624 1038 > 2365 Cox Rd. | > Bloomfield NY 14469 |Web http://www.lbpinc.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at me.com Thu Aug 28 11:04:42 2014 From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 14:04:42 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Test Message-ID: <9790F7C3-6D32-4D73-89C1-BC1430FE9945@me.com> Only a TEST. From Frank at lbpinc.com Thu Aug 28 11:08:42 2014 From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt LBP) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 14:08:42 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Rough and Tumble In-Reply-To: <1409246312.35249.YahooMailNeo@web140601.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <206955338.48746.1406576240482.JavaMail.root@vznit170070> <53FF4F70.6060707@lbpinc.com> <1409246312.35249.YahooMailNeo@web140601.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <53FF702A.7010903@lbpinc.com> Look at 6:13 on the youtube. There is a second shaft on that engine with a pulley. Frank On 8/28/2014 1:18 PM, Alan wrote: > Did you see how they were running that wooden barrel washing machine? > The belt was inside the flywheel like it might have been just running on the crank shaft. > I need to find one I can afford or build one for our local show. > Alan in Michigan > > > > ________________________________ > From: Frank DeWitt LBP > To: The SEL email discussion list > Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 11:49 AM > Subject: [SEL] Rough and Tumble > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WECWMP5vNIU > > A good video (not mine) of R&T this year. It was a great show. wide > variety of equipment, perfect weather, great people. > > BTW These people really know how to treat exhibitors. Besides the free > admision and the other stuff they provided free baked goods, coffee, ice > tea and water for exhibitors all day every day. > > Frank > > -- The question is not, who uses faith and who uses reason? Everyone uses both. The question instead should be, who has the most reasonable faith?? ? J.F. Baldwin HONOR GOD SERVE PEOPLE DEVELOP EXCELLENCE GROW PROFITABLE FOLLOWING BIBLICAL PRINCIPLES Frank DeWitt | mailto:frank at lbpinc.com Mechanical Design | Phone: 585 624 3052 LBP INC. | Fax 585 624 1038 2365 Cox Rd. | Bloomfield NY 14469 |Web http://www.lbpinc.com/ From jnyost at yahoo.com Thu Aug 28 11:23:45 2014 From: jnyost at yahoo.com (Jim Yost) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 14:23:45 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Test In-Reply-To: <9790F7C3-6D32-4D73-89C1-BC1430FE9945@me.com> References: <9790F7C3-6D32-4D73-89C1-BC1430FE9945@me.com> Message-ID: <015C5B96-A34D-493D-BECE-085A0F3A2E26@yahoo.com> U passed the ohio test Sent from my iPhone Jim > On Aug 28, 2014, at 2:04 PM, Dave Rotigel wrote: > > Only a TEST. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Frank at lbpinc.com Thu Aug 28 11:34:31 2014 From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt LBP) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 14:34:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Rough and Tumble In-Reply-To: <87D39B7B24944D04A6FCD624ED5049CC@JamesDesktop> References: <206955338.48746.1406576240482.JavaMail.root@vznit170070><53FF4F70.6060707@lbpinc.com> <53FF5A68.6080204@lbpinc.com> <87D39B7B24944D04A6FCD624ED5049CC@JamesDesktop> Message-ID: <53FF7637.6030405@lbpinc.com> Thanks for the background. I have attended for 3 years now so I am beginning to pick up some history and it agrees with what you have written. BTW I think I was lucky that I have been attending on the up swing and was not there at the low point. There is a big show near my home (Pageant of Steam) and I like it but asked my self why I like R&T better. One think I came up with is the no cars in the exhibit area rule! I was amazed at my self because I am one of the people who needs to leave my exhibit and park my car and it was a rule that delayed my attending R&T for a few years. What I realized is that at R&T I walk from one engine to the next with nothing in between but engines When I look out over the grounds all I see is old iron. At Pageant of Steam I look at a engine, then walk past a 40 ft RV and look at another engine. A lot more walking and a lot less eye candy. This year R&T has a new president and the word is that he is much more non steam friendly. One sign of this is a new building that has been set up on the grounds and staffed by volunteers to do nothing but sell stuff for exhibitors. You give them your stuff with the price and a cell number if you like, they display it, sell it and take the money for you. Another small sign of a attitude of caring about people is that the show hires two people to do nothing but keep the rest rooms clean all day every day. I have never seen that at a engine show. BTW The flea market is still separate but it is down the hill (same grounds) next to the private camp site. Lots of trees. BBTW I figured out a trick last year for these shows without your vehicle. I take a second cooler and put all that stuff that is usually in the car in it. Papers, cards, camera, sunscreen, all that stuff we need. I don't miss the car like I thought I would. http://www.roughandtumble.org/groundsmap On 8/28/2014 1:48 PM, Jim Hardman wrote: > Frank, and everyone... > > Rough and Tumble is one of the better shows in the country, and perhaps the > very best for steam enthusiasts. We attended, and exhibited there for over > thirty five years. And it was geared to family involvement; our grand > children said it was their favorite week of the year. > > R&T's revised rules regarding "no parking" near one's exhibit forced many of > us out. And the rule of "no selling from one's exhibit space" was the > clincher. We always had excess stuff to sell... spark plugs, oilers, coil > boxes, etc. > > Admittedly, the folks who came solely to sell had to go out into the hot sun > across the road... and these flea market folk felt like outcasts. The new > rules are not all bad... but in total, the flavor of the show changed for > the old-timers. Leaving models and exhibit stuff unattended while one went > to park the car seemed unreasonable to a lot of exhibitors. > > The steam side of this show is unsurpassed. Dozens of behemoths under > steam. A superior model building. Wonderful permanent displays both of > steam and IC engines. Many of the regulars at Coolspring are in attendance > at R&T. The "big engine" exhibits are worth seeing. Just watch these > videos. > > I recall entering the big permanent display building and seeing a nearly > completed steam engine in the final stages of reconstruction. It was > magnificent except for the color... a brilliant day-glow chartreuse. I > quietly said to my wife "Who could have chosen that color..." and a voice > from under the flywheel answered "I did!" Shut me up quick. > > Frank, these videos tell the tale. This is still a great show. And the > food was wonderful. Right in the middle of Pennsylvania Dutch country, the > baked goods brought in from local farms and the fresh melons were a daily > treat. > > Show attendance dropped after the new rules were imposed, but it is obvious > that attendance remains strong. The traffic on Route 30 past the grounds is > still a buster, stop-and-go for several miles is no fun. > > Frank, thanks for the good memories. Every night our family would go out to > dinner at the Harvest Inn smelling of hot oil and coal smoke. Happy > memories indeed! > > Jim in Vermont > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Frank DeWitt LBP" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 12:35 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Rough and Tumble > > > >> There are quite a few good videos of this years show. Here is a link to >> a you tube search >> >> https://www.youtube.com/results?filters=month&search_query=rough+and+tumble+2014&lclk=month >> >> Everything from tiny models to steam shovels >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFsbbWZ-PQg >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCbLJOupBOo >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNJixBYnnUE >> >> On 8/28/2014 11:49 AM, Frank DeWitt LBP wrote: >> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WECWMP5vNIU >>> >>> A good video (not mine) of R&T this year. It was a great show. wide >>> variety of equipment, perfect weather, great people. >>> >>> BTW These people really know how to treat exhibitors. Besides the free >>> admision and the other stuff they provided free baked goods, coffee, ice >>> tea and water for exhibitors all day every day. >>> >>> Frank >>> >>> >>> >> -- >> The question is not, who uses faith and who uses reason? Everyone uses >> both. The question instead should be, who has the most reasonable faith?? >> >> ? J.F. Baldwin >> >> HONOR GOD >> SERVE PEOPLE >> DEVELOP EXCELLENCE >> GROW PROFITABLE >> FOLLOWING BIBLICAL PRINCIPLES >> >> Frank DeWitt | mailto:frank at lbpinc.com >> Mechanical Design | Phone: 585 624 3052 >> LBP INC. | Fax 585 624 1038 >> 2365 Cox Rd. | >> Bloomfield NY 14469 |Web http://www.lbpinc.com/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -- The question is not, who uses faith and who uses reason? Everyone uses both. The question instead should be, who has the most reasonable faith?? ? J.F. Baldwin HONOR GOD SERVE PEOPLE DEVELOP EXCELLENCE GROW PROFITABLE FOLLOWING BIBLICAL PRINCIPLES Frank DeWitt | mailto:frank at lbpinc.com Mechanical Design | Phone: 585 624 3052 LBP INC. | Fax 585 624 1038 2365 Cox Rd. | Bloomfield NY 14469 |Web http://www.lbpinc.com/ From wilson at stny.rr.com Thu Aug 28 12:36:24 2014 From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 15:36:24 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Rough and Tumble In-Reply-To: <53FF7637.6030405@lbpinc.com> References: <206955338.48746.1406576240482.JavaMail.root@vznit170070> <53FF4F70.6060707@lbpinc.com> <53FF5A68.6080204@lbpinc.com> <87D39B7B24944D04A6FCD624ED5049CC@JamesDesktop> <53FF7637.6030405@lbpinc.com> Message-ID: I haven't attended our local show in 20+ years because it is basically an RV show with a few maytags and a a few other odd engines. I remember the western NY show being pretty good. I paid for life dues then life changed. How ironic! But RV shows with low engine count suck for the viewer. Glenn Wilson Endicott, NY www.WilsonsWarbler.com On Aug 28, 2014, at 2:34 PM, Frank DeWitt LBP wrote: Thanks for the background. I have attended for 3 years now so I am beginning to pick up some history and it agrees with what you have written. BTW I think I was lucky that I have been attending on the up swing and was not there at the low point. There is a big show near my home (Pageant of Steam) and I like it but asked my self why I like R&T better. One think I came up with is the no cars in the exhibit area rule! I was amazed at my self because I am one of the people who needs to leave my exhibit and park my car and it was a rule that delayed my attending R&T for a few years. What I realized is that at R&T I walk from one engine to the next with nothing in between but engines When I look out over the grounds all I see is old iron. At Pageant of Steam I look at a engine, then walk past a 40 ft RV and look at another engine. A lot more walking and a lot less eye candy. This year R&T has a new president and the word is that he is much more non steam friendly. One sign of this is a new building that has been set up on the grounds and staffed by volunteers to do nothing but sell stuff for exhibitors. You give them your stuff with the price and a cell number if you like, they display it, sell it and take the money for you. Another small sign of a attitude of caring about people is that the show hires two people to do nothing but keep the rest rooms clean all day every day. I have never seen that at a engine show. BTW The flea market is still separate but it is down the hill (same grounds) next to the private camp site. Lots of trees. BBTW I figured out a trick last year for these shows without your vehicle. I take a second cooler and put all that stuff that is usually in the car in it. Papers, cards, camera, sunscreen, all that stuff we need. I don't miss the car like I thought I would. http://www.roughandtumble.org/groundsmap > On 8/28/2014 1:48 PM, Jim Hardman wrote: > Frank, and everyone... > > Rough and Tumble is one of the better shows in the country, and perhaps the > very best for steam enthusiasts. We attended, and exhibited there for over > thirty five years. And it was geared to family involvement; our grand > children said it was their favorite week of the year. > > R&T's revised r From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 28 15:26:56 2014 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 15:26:56 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Rough and Tumble In-Reply-To: <53FF702A.7010903@lbpinc.com> References: <206955338.48746.1406576240482.JavaMail.root@vznit170070> <53FF4F70.6060707@lbpinc.com> <1409246312.35249.YahooMailNeo@web140601.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <53FF702A.7010903@lbpinc.com> Message-ID: <1409264816.91331.YahooMailNeo@web140604.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Yes, I finally got it to stop in the right position. It must be a pulley powered by the cam shaft. I do not believe I have seen one like that. Really a shame that show is on the same time as ours at Buckley. I would love to visit that show. Alan in Michigan ________________________________ From: Frank DeWitt LBP To: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 2:08 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Rough and Tumble Look at 6:13 on the youtube. There is a second shaft on that engine with a pulley. Frank On 8/28/2014 1:18 PM, Alan wrote: > Did you see how they were running that wooden barrel washing machine? > The belt was inside the flywheel like it might have been just running on the crank shaft. > I need to find one I can afford or build one for our local show. > Alan in Michigan > > > > ________________________________ > From: Frank DeWitt LBP > To: The SEL email discussion list > Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 11:49 AM > Subject: [SEL] Rough and Tumble > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WECWMP5vNIU > > A good video (not mine) of R&T this year. It was a great show. wide > variety of equipment, perfect weather, great people. > > BTW These people really know how to treat exhibitors. Besides the free > admision and the other stuff they provided free baked goods, coffee, ice > tea and water for exhibitors all day every day. > > Frank > > -- The question is not, who uses faith and who uses reason? Everyone uses both. The question instead should be, who has the most reasonable faith?? ? J.F. Baldwin HONOR GOD SERVE PEOPLE DEVELOP EXCELLENCE GROW PROFITABLE FOLLOWING BIBLICAL PRINCIPLES Frank DeWitt | mailto:frank at lbpinc.com Mechanical Design | Phone: 585 624 3052 LBP INC. | Fax 585 624 1038 2365 Cox Rd. | Bloomfield NY 14469 |Web http://www.lbpinc.com/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ozengine at iinet.net.au Thu Aug 28 16:08:56 2014 From: ozengine at iinet.net.au (Kerry) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2014 09:08:56 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Rough and Tumble In-Reply-To: <53FF7637.6030405@lbpinc.com> References: <206955338.48746.1406576240482.JavaMail.root@vznit170070><53FF4F70.6060707@lbpinc.com> <53FF5A68.6080204@lbpinc.com> <87D39B7B24944D04A6FCD624ED5049CC@JamesDesktop> <53FF7637.6030405@lbpinc.com> Message-ID: <53FFB688.1000503@iinet.net.au> G'Day Frank Visited R&T in 2001, it was a great show and the best operational steam display I have seen, the Shay loco running around the outside was a pleasure to see. They had some rare oil/gas engines on display with the Crossleys etc. and I totally enjoyed my time there and met up with Tom Sch??, his wife and Bill Lopoulos (are you both still on the list) On the topic of vehicles near displays, I have visited engine shows all over the world, and most thankfully did not have vehicles near displays, some have had vehicles parked well behind the display and generally it is not a problem, but a couple of shows in the US had vehicles parked everywhere, which as a visitor took away from the enjoyment of seeing old equipment running, I did not go to the show to see motor homes, pick ups and trailers, that with Americans need not to walk even a few meters by using their butt buggy's is a real turn off for me. Hopefully will see some American iron and meet up with some great people next year. All the best Kerry On 29/08/2014 4:34 AM, Frank DeWitt LBP wrote: > Thanks for the background. I have attended for 3 years now so I am > beginning to pick up some history and it agrees with what you have > written. BTW I think I was lucky that I have been attending on the up > swing and was not there at the low point. > > There is a big show near my home (Pageant of Steam) and I like it but > asked my self why I like R&T better. One think I came up with is the no > cars in the exhibit area rule! I was amazed at my self because I am > one of the people who needs to leave my exhibit and park my car and it > was a rule that delayed my attending R&T for a few years. What I > realized is that at R&T I walk from one engine to the next with nothing > in between but engines When I look out over the grounds all I see is old > iron. At Pageant of Steam I look at a engine, then walk past a 40 ft RV > and look at another engine. A lot more walking and a lot less eye candy. > > This year R&T has a new president and the word is that he is much more > non steam friendly. One sign of this is a new building that has been > set up on the grounds and staffed by volunteers to do nothing but sell > stuff for exhibitors. You give them your stuff with the price and a > cell number if you like, they display it, sell it and take the money for > you. Another small sign of a attitude of caring about people is that > the show hires two people to do nothing but keep the rest rooms clean > all day every day. I have never seen that at a engine show. > > BTW The flea market is still separate but it is down the hill (same > grounds) next to the private camp site. Lots of trees. > > BBTW I figured out a trick last year for these shows without your > vehicle. I take a second cooler and put all that stuff that is usually > in the car in it. Papers, cards, camera, sunscreen, all that stuff we > need. I don't miss the car like I thought I would. > > -- Kerry Morris Tangye Engine Registrar 0400421133 Web Page. www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/ From Germoamer at aol.com Fri Aug 29 06:07:02 2014 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2014 09:07:02 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Rough and Tumble Message-ID: <77448.360aa769.4131d4f6@aol.com> In a message dated 8/28/2014 7:18:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ozengine at iinet.net.au writes: I totally enjoyed my time there and met up with Tom Sch??, his wife and Bill Lopoulos (are you both still on the list) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------ Yes Kerry I am still here, but mostly a lurker. My wife and I attended the R and T show for 5 years in a row and were there from Wednesday till Sunday morning, met a lot of nice people from around the world, and always had a good time. We traveled about 6 hours to get there, had the trailer loaded with a 6 or 7 hp engine on cart. Our truck was always loaded with clothes, rain coats, umbrellas, food , drinks, gas cans, Big Red Book, Gas Engine magazines, and other reference stuff, spare parts, tools, extra chairs, etc. We watched as engine folks children sleeping in tents beside the running engines grew older. If it had not been for a motor home allowed in at that time I would not have had the pleasure to see first hand, take photos, and put my hands on a very rare working salesman sample engine that had been to South America and back. It was always inside the motor home and was later sold for $40,000+ (Judge Tommy knows where it ended up). We watched as the tractor folks and the engine folks had conflicts. The tractor folks lined up their tractors in neat rows and wanted the engine folks to do the same. One morning they even changed the gate lock during the night so the engine folks could not drive their trucks in that morning. Now that was a confrontation to see! The engine folks cleaned up some of the fair grounds and the tractor folks would encroach on it. One of the biggest differences was the engine folks with their truck, motor home, trailer display disarray always had engines running and people ready to talk about the engines, how they worked, help get others involved in the hobby, etc. The tractor folks lined up their tractors and then disappeared for the most part. Why did I quit going to R&T? The last time there, they announced it very loudly, "your motor homes and trucks are not welcomed inside any more". Your vehicle will be parked out in never-never land -period! I kept up with that show and the engine displays went down hill after that. I am glad to hear that it is building up again. I attended a lot of shows in the Virginia/North Carolina area and from Florida to Pennsylvania, to Indiana. Most of those allowed vehicles by or very near the display. One of the biggest shows I attend is at Denton, NC that allows motor homes, trucks, everywhere in the engine area. Always engines running. The tractors are neatly lined up in another area doing nothing, and no owners around to discuss them with the spectator. My vote is to allow vehicles inside where space permits or parking very nearby the display! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at aol.com From Frank at lbpinc.com Fri Aug 29 07:25:37 2014 From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt LBP) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2014 10:25:37 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Rough and Tumble In-Reply-To: <77448.360aa769.4131d4f6@aol.com> References: <77448.360aa769.4131d4f6@aol.com> Message-ID: <54008D61.6000907@lbpinc.com> Here is a summery of this year from the R&T site. The 66th Threshermen's Reunion set more New Records in 2014. Another great weather week with no rain during the show and temperatures in the 70's! Fleamarket filled to capacity. Most exhibited equipment. Parking lot's filled to over flow capacity. Parade stands filled. The widest collection of parade machinery almost anywhere and over 35 steam engines running at the show. Even our new web site broke records with over 1,700 visitors per day during the reunion. In 2016 we will be featuring all types of Steam Traction Engines for the most ever on on display and running. I seem to have missed the bad years. I am blessed that I blunder through life missing the bad stuff and enjoying the good. One of the things I got to see this year was a one cylinder Oil Pull It DOES get better then this but for now life is very good. Frank -- The question is not, who uses faith and who uses reason? Everyone uses both. The question instead should be, who has the most reasonable faith?? ? J.F. Baldwin HONOR GOD SERVE PEOPLE DEVELOP EXCELLENCE GROW PROFITABLE FOLLOWING BIBLICAL PRINCIPLES Frank DeWitt | mailto:frank at lbpinc.com Mechanical Design | Phone: 585 624 3052 LBP INC. | Fax 585 624 1038 2365 Cox Rd. | Bloomfield NY 14469 |Web http://www.lbpinc.com/ From rob at rustyiron.com Fri Aug 29 12:31:00 2014 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2014 12:31:00 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Rough and Tumble In-Reply-To: <54008D61.6000907@lbpinc.com> References: <77448.360aa769.4131d4f6@aol.com> <54008D61.6000907@lbpinc.com> Message-ID: > On Aug 29, 2014, at 7:25 AM, Frank DeWitt LBP wrote: > > I am blessed that I blunder through > life missing the bad stuff and enjoying the good. One of the things I > got to see this year was a one cylinder Oil Pull > > It DOES get better then this but for now life is very good. > > Frank Right on, Frank. Everyone finds what they?re looking for. From Germoamer at aol.com Sat Aug 30 12:05:55 2014 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2014 15:05:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Re(Sel) Rough and Tumble Message-ID: I totally enjoyed my time there and met up with Tom Sch??, his wife and Bill Lopoulos (are you both still on the list) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------ Yes, Kerry I am still here but mostly a lurker My wife and I attended the R and T show for 5 years in a row and were there from Wednesday till Sunday morning, met a lot of nice people from around the world, and always had a good time. We traveled about 6 hours to get there, had the trailer loaded with a 6 or 7 hp engine on cart. Our truck was always loaded with clothes, rain coats, umbrellas, food , drinks, gas cans, Big Red Book, Gas Engine magazines, and other reference stuff, spare parts, tools, extra chairs, etc. We watched as engine folks children sleeping in tents beside the running engines grew older. If it had not been for a motor home allowed in at that time I would not have had the pleasure to see first hand, take photos, and put my hands on a very rare working salesman sample engine that had been to South America and back. It was always inside the motor home and was later sold for $40,000+ (Judge Tommy knows where it ended up). We watched as the tractor folks and the engine folks had conflicts. The tractor folks lined up their tractors in neat rows and wanted the engine folks to do the same. One morning they even changed the gate lock during the night so the engine folks could not drive their trucks in that morning. Now that was a confrontation to see! The engine folks cleaned up some of the fair grounds and the tractor folks would encroach on it. One of the biggest differences was the engine folks with their truck, motor home, trailer display disarray always had engines running and people ready to talk about the engines, how they worked, help get others involved in the hobby, etc. The tractor folks lined up their tractors and then disappeared for the most part. Why did I quit going to R&T? The last time there, they announced it very loudly, "your motor homes and trucks are not welcomed inside any more". Your vehicle will be parked out in never-never land -period! I kept up with that show and the engine displays went down hill after that. I am glad to hear that it is building up again. I attended a lot of shows in the Virginia/North Carolina area and from Florida to Pennsylvania, to Indiana. Most of those allowed vehicles by or very near the display. One of the biggest shows I attend is at Denton, NC that allows motor homes, trucks, everywhere in the engine area. Always engines running. The tractors are neatly lined up in another area doing nothing, and no owners around to discuss them with the spectator. My vote is to allow vehicles inside where space permits or parking very nearby the display! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at aol.com From ozengine at iinet.net.au Sat Aug 30 16:39:15 2014 From: ozengine at iinet.net.au (Kerry) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2014 09:39:15 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Re(Sel) Rough and Tumble In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <540260A3.8060305@iinet.net.au> G'Day Tom Great to hear from you again, was not totally sure of spelling your name correct so ???, and thought your wife's name was Millie but too long ago. Signs of the time we all are lurkers now, very little posts to SEL or ORG, I don't disagree with anything you say, people go to shows for different reasons but as a paying spectator all I am saying FOR ME is that vehicles parked alongside displays is distracting. In Australia no vehicle is allow in the display area and we camp not far away, no problems for us Tractor people have been an issue at a lot of clubs, ours no different, only been set up 3 years. totally by engine people now tractor people with different needs/wants are controlling the club and a lot of arguments have started. In Australia the lines of lifeless tractors have been fixed by their owners new craze, Tractor Trek, go for a convoy drive in the country so they put their fat asses in the seat and off they go to leave rows of SPACE for the paying public to see All the best Kerry On 31/08/2014 5:05 AM, Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > > I totally enjoyed my time there and met up with Tom Sch??, his wife > and Bill Lopoulos (are you both still on the list) > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------------------------------------ > > Yes, Kerry I am still here but mostly a lurker > > > My wife and I attended the R and T show for 5 years in a row and were there > from Wednesday till Sunday morning, met a lot of nice people from around > the world, and always had a good time. We traveled about 6 hours to get > there, had the trailer loaded with a 6 or 7 hp engine on cart. Our truck was > always loaded with clothes, rain coats, umbrellas, food , drinks, gas cans, > Big Red Book, Gas Engine magazines, and other reference stuff, spare > parts, tools, extra chairs, etc. > > We watched as engine folks children sleeping in tents beside the running > engines grew older. If it had not been for a motor home allowed in at that > time I would not have had the pleasure to see first hand, take photos, and > put my hands on a very rare working salesman sample engine that had been to > South America and back. It was always inside the motor home and was later > sold for $40,000+ (Judge Tommy knows where it ended up). > > We watched as the tractor folks and the engine folks had conflicts. The > tractor folks lined up their tractors in neat rows and wanted the engine > folks to do the same. One morning they even changed the gate lock during the > night so the engine folks could not drive their trucks in that morning. Now > that was a confrontation to see! The engine folks cleaned up some of the > fair grounds and the tractor folks would encroach on it. > > One of the biggest differences was the engine folks with their truck, motor > home, trailer display disarray always had engines running and people ready > to talk about the engines, how they worked, help get others involved in > the hobby, etc. The tractor folks lined up their tractors and then > disappeared for the most part. > > Why did I quit going to R&T? The last time there, they announced it very > loudly, "your motor homes and trucks are not welcomed inside any more". > Your vehicle will be parked out in never-never land -period! > I kept up with that show and the engine displays went down hill after > that. I am glad to hear that it is building up again. > > I attended a lot of shows in the Virginia/North Carolina area and from > Florida to Pennsylvania, to Indiana. Most of those allowed vehicles by or > very near the display. One of the biggest shows I attend is at Denton, NC > that allows motor homes, trucks, everywhere in the engine area. Always > engines running. The tractors are neatly lined up in another area doing > nothing, and no owners around to discuss them with the spectator. > > My vote is to allow vehicles inside where space permits or parking very > nearby the display! > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. > germoamer at aol.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- Kerry Morris Tangye Engine Registrar 0400421133 Web Page. www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/ From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sat Aug 30 19:00:02 2014 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2014 03:00:02 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Re(Sel) Rough and Tumble In-Reply-To: <540260A3.8060305@iinet.net.au> References: <540260A3.8060305@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <000001cfc4bf$486e4ea0$d94aebe0$@croft@ntlworld.com> Hi Kerry, I am no-longer driving so I seldom get to an engine show! I do remember just before 1959 when I took my Station Engines on my trailer to the rally site at Preston Lancashire. The bus & lorry historical firm were making new vehicles & testing them in the week on a new test track. They let us use the vehicle test site to a new show site! We set up the displace engines well but the second part was torrential rainfall & stationary Engines running one foot deep in water! When we needed to leave the site we needed three big tractors pulling our vehicle & trailer Over seas of mud to get them out. Happy Early Days! See http://www.madeinpreston.co.uk/Road/leylandinfo.html -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Kerry Sent: 31 August 2014 00:39 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Re(Sel) Rough and Tumble G'Day Tom Great to hear from you again, was not totally sure of spelling your name correct so ???, and thought your wife's name was Millie but too long ago. Signs of the time we all are lurkers now, very little posts to SEL or ORG, I don't disagree with anything you say, people go to shows for different reasons but as a paying spectator all I am saying FOR ME is that vehicles parked alongside displays is distracting. In Australia no vehicle is allow in the display area and we camp not far away, no problems for us Tractor people have been an issue at a lot of clubs, ours no different, only been set up 3 years. totally by engine people now tractor people with different needs/wants are controlling the club and a lot of arguments have started. In Australia the lines of lifeless tractors have been fixed by their owners new craze, Tractor Trek, go for a convoy drive in the country so they put their fat asses in the seat and off they go to leave rows of SPACE for the paying public to see All the best Kerry On 31/08/2014 5:05 AM, Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > > I totally enjoyed my time there and met up with Tom Sch??, his wife > and Bill Lopoulos (are you both still on the list) > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------------------------------------ > > Yes, Kerry I am still here but mostly a lurker > > > My wife and I attended the R and T show for 5 years in a row and were there > from Wednesday till Sunday morning, met a lot of nice people from around > the world, and always had a good time. We traveled about 6 hours to get > there, had the trailer loaded with a 6 or 7 hp engine on cart. Our truck was > always loaded with clothes, rain coats, umbrellas, food , drinks, gas cans, > Big Red Book, Gas Engine magazines, and other reference stuff, spare > parts, tools, extra chairs, etc. > > We watched as engine folks children sleeping in tents beside the running > engines grew older. If it had not been for a motor home allowed in at that > time I would not have had the pleasure to see first hand, take photos, and > put my hands on a very rare working salesman sample engine that had been to > South America and back. It was always inside the motor home and was later > sold for $40,000+ (Judge Tommy knows where it ended up). > > We watched as the tractor folks and the engine folks had conflicts. The > tractor folks lined up their tractors in neat rows and wanted the engine > folks to do the same. One morning they even changed the gate lock during the > night so the engine folks could not drive their trucks in that morning. Now > that was a confrontation to see! The engine folks cleaned up some of the > fair grounds and the tractor folks would encroach on it. > > One of the biggest differences was the engine folks with their truck, motor > home, trailer display disarray always had engines running and people ready > to talk about the engines, how they worked, help get others involved in > the hobby, etc. The tractor folks lined up their tractors and then > disappeared for the most part. > > Why did I quit going to R&T? The last time there, they announced it very > loudly, "your motor homes and trucks are not welcomed inside any more". > Your vehicle will be parked out in never-never land -period! > I kept up with that show and the engine displays went down hill after > that. I am glad to hear that it is building up again. > > I attended a lot of shows in the Virginia/North Carolina area and from > Florida to Pennsylvania, to Indiana. Most of those allowed vehicles by or > very near the display. One of the biggest shows I attend is at Denton, NC > that allows motor homes, trucks, everywhere in the engine area. Always > engines running. The tractors are neatly lined up in another area doing > nothing, and no owners around to discuss them with the spectator. > > My vote is to allow vehicles inside where space permits or parking very > nearby the display! > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. > germoamer at aol.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- Kerry Morris Tangye Engine Registrar 0400421133 Web Page. www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From camanedwina at hotmail.com Sun Aug 31 01:46:45 2014 From: camanedwina at hotmail.com (cameron_edwina grundy) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2014 18:46:45 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Re(Sel) Rough and Tumble In-Reply-To: <540260A3.8060305@iinet.net.au> References: <540260A3.8060305@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: Well said Kerry Sent from my iPhone > On 31 Aug 2014, at 9:48 am, "Kerry" wrote: > > G'Day Tom > Great to hear from you again, was not totally sure of spelling your name > correct so ???, and thought your wife's name was Millie but too long ago. > Signs of the time we all are lurkers now, very little posts to SEL or ORG, > > I don't disagree with anything you say, people go to shows for different > reasons but as a paying spectator all I am saying FOR ME is that > vehicles parked alongside displays is distracting. > In Australia no vehicle is allow in the display area and we camp not far > away, no problems for us > > Tractor people have been an issue at a lot of clubs, ours no different, > only been set up 3 years. totally by engine people now tractor people > with different needs/wants are controlling the club and a lot of > arguments have started. > > In Australia the lines of lifeless tractors have been fixed by their > owners new craze, Tractor Trek, go for a convoy drive in the country so > they put their fat asses in the seat and off they go to leave rows of > SPACE for the paying public to see > > All the best > Kerry > > > >> On 31/08/2014 5:05 AM, Germoamer at aol.com wrote: >> >> I totally enjoyed my time there and met up with Tom Sch??, his wife >> and Bill Lopoulos (are you both still on the list) >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> ------------------------------------------ >> >> Yes, Kerry I am still here but mostly a lurker >> >> >> My wife and I attended the R and T show for 5 years in a row and were there >> from Wednesday till Sunday morning, met a lot of nice people from around >> the world, and always had a good time. We traveled about 6 hours to get >> there, had the trailer loaded with a 6 or 7 hp engine on cart. Our truck was >> always loaded with clothes, rain coats, umbrellas, food , drinks, gas cans, >> Big Red Book, Gas Engine magazines, and other reference stuff, spare >> parts, tools, extra chairs, etc. >> >> We watched as engine folks children sleeping in tents beside the running >> engines grew older. If it had not been for a motor home allowed in at that >> time I would not have had the pleasure to see first hand, take photos, and >> put my hands on a very rare working salesman sample engine that had been to >> South America and back. It was always inside the motor home and was later >> sold for $40,000+ (Judge Tommy knows where it ended up). >> >> We watched as the tractor folks and the engine folks had conflicts. The >> tractor folks lined up their tractors in neat rows and wanted the engine >> folks to do the same. One morning they even changed the gate lock during the >> night so the engine folks could not drive their trucks in that morning. Now >> that was a confrontation to see! The engine folks cleaned up some of the >> fair grounds and the tractor folks would encroach on it. >> >> One of the biggest differences was the engine folks with their truck, motor >> home, trailer display disarray always had engines running and people ready >> to talk about the engines, how they worked, help get others involved in >> the hobby, etc. The tractor folks lined up their tractors and then >> disappeared for the most part. >> >> Why did I quit going to R&T? The last time there, they announced it very >> loudly, "your motor homes and trucks are not welcomed inside any more". >> Your vehicle will be parked out in never-never land -period! >> I kept up with that show and the engine displays went down hill after >> that. I am glad to hear that it is building up again. >> >> I attended a lot of shows in the Virginia/North Carolina area and from >> Florida to Pennsylvania, to Indiana. Most of those allowed vehicles by or >> very near the display. One of the biggest shows I attend is at Denton, NC >> that allows motor homes, trucks, everywhere in the engine area. Always >> engines running. The tractors are neatly lined up in another area doing >> nothing, and no owners around to discuss them with the spectator. >> >> My vote is to allow vehicles inside where space permits or parking very >> nearby the display! >> >> Tom Schmutz >> Concord, Va. >> germoamer at aol.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- > Kerry Morris > Tangye Engine Registrar > 0400421133 > Web Page. www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 31 04:29:51 2014 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2014 04:29:51 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Re(Sel) Rough and Tumble In-Reply-To: <540260A3.8060305@iinet.net.au> References: <540260A3.8060305@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <1409484591.47792.YahooMailNeo@web140604.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Hi Kerry, At our local Buckley show we are still camping next to our display but all loose trucks and trailers are across the road. The tractor folks here only do their trail rides and poker runs during the evenings. We no longer let in to the show huge trailers with one little engine to display. Alan in Michigan ________________________________ From: Kerry To: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 7:39 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Re(Sel) Rough and Tumble G'Day Tom Great to hear from you again, was not totally sure of spelling your name correct so ???, and thought your wife's name was Millie but too long ago. Signs of the time we all are lurkers now, very little posts to SEL or ORG, I don't disagree with anything you say, people go to shows for different reasons but as a paying spectator all I am saying FOR ME is that vehicles parked alongside displays is distracting. In Australia no vehicle is allow in the display area and we camp not far away, no problems for us Tractor people have been an issue at a lot of clubs, ours no different, only been set up 3 years. totally by engine people now tractor people with different needs/wants are controlling the club and a lot of arguments have started. In Australia the lines of lifeless tractors have been fixed by their owners new craze, Tractor Trek, go for a convoy drive in the country so they put their fat asses in the seat and off they go to leave rows of SPACE for the paying public to see All the best Kerry Morris Tangye Engine Registrar 0400421133 Web Page. www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ozengine at iinet.net.au Sun Aug 31 05:17:48 2014 From: ozengine at iinet.net.au (Kerry) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2014 22:17:48 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Re(Sel) Rough and Tumble In-Reply-To: <1409484591.47792.YahooMailNeo@web140604.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <540260A3.8060305@iinet.net.au> <1409484591.47792.YahooMailNeo@web140604.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5403126C.6040105@iinet.net.au> G'Day Alan, "huge trailers with one little engine to display" there are all types in this hobby The best I saw was an engine man I knew at a small farm field days were the local engine club got some free entry tickets for the weekend to display engines, the club distributed the tickets to engine people from all clubs, first in got the tickets, this bloke got a free ticket came in after we were set up with engines, said G'Day to us dumped a vintage apple peeler over the fence and took off to see the field days. At the end of the day he came back with all the goodies he had bought picked up the peeler and off, last we saw of him for the weekend. A waisted ticket that could have gone to someone that wanted to go and show engines for the weekend. The next year the crap hit the fan over free tickets and now none of us go. All the best Kerry On 31/08/2014 9:29 PM, Alan wrote: > Hi Kerry, > At our local Buckley show we are still camping next to our display but all loose trucks and trailers are across the road. The tractor folks here only do their trail rides and poker runs during the evenings. We no longer let in to the show huge trailers with one little engine to display. > > Alan in Michigan > > > _ -- Kerry Morris Tangye Engine Registrar 0400421133 Web Page. www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/ From 1oldengin at gmail.com Sun Aug 31 05:25:20 2014 From: 1oldengin at gmail.com (Leroy Clark) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2014 08:25:20 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re(Sel) Rough and Tumble In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Define little? Leroy On Aug 30, 2014 3:08 PM, wrote: > > I totally enjoyed my time there and met up with Tom Sch??, his wife > and Bill Lopoulos (are you both still on the list) > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------------------------------------ > > Yes, Kerry I am still here but mostly a lurker > > > My wife and I attended the R and T show for 5 years in a row and were there > from Wednesday till Sunday morning, met a lot of nice people from around > the world, and always had a good time. We traveled about 6 hours to get > there, had the trailer loaded with a 6 or 7 hp engine on cart. Our truck > was > always loaded with clothes, rain coats, umbrellas, food , drinks, gas cans, > Big Red Book, Gas Engine magazines, and other reference stuff, spare > parts, tools, extra chairs, etc. > > We watched as engine folks children sleeping in tents beside the running > engines grew older. If it had not been for a motor home allowed in at > that > time I would not have had the pleasure to see first hand, take photos, and > put my hands on a very rare working salesman sample engine that had been to > South America and back. It was always inside the motor home and was later > sold for $40,000+ (Judge Tommy knows where it ended up). > > We watched as the tractor folks and the engine folks had conflicts. The > tractor folks lined up their tractors in neat rows and wanted the engine > folks to do the same. One morning they even changed the gate lock during > the > night so the engine folks could not drive their trucks in that morning. Now > that was a confrontation to see! The engine folks cleaned up some of the > fair grounds and the tractor folks would encroach on it. > > One of the biggest differences was the engine folks with their truck, motor > home, trailer display disarray always had engines running and people ready > to talk about the engines, how they worked, help get others involved in > the hobby, etc. The tractor folks lined up their tractors and then > disappeared for the most part. > > Why did I quit going to R&T? The last time there, they announced it very > loudly, "your motor homes and trucks are not welcomed inside any more". > Your vehicle will be parked out in never-never land -period! > I kept up with that show and the engine displays went down hill after > that. I am glad to hear that it is building up again. > > I attended a lot of shows in the Virginia/North Carolina area and from > Florida to Pennsylvania, to Indiana. Most of those allowed vehicles by or > very near the display. One of the biggest shows I attend is at Denton, NC > that allows motor homes, trucks, everywhere in the engine area. Always > engines running. The tractors are neatly lined up in another area doing > nothing, and no owners around to discuss them with the spectator. > > My vote is to allow vehicles inside where space permits or parking very > nearby the display! > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. > germoamer at aol.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >