On the oldengine.org site that I'm getting there is a notice that says:
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Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
,-._,-, If there are no dogs in heaven,
\/)"(\/ when I die I want to go where they went.
(_0_) "In memory of Bre-Dog"