From cgandree at mchsi.com  Mon Jul  1 05:42:45 2013
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2013 07:42:45 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [SEL] Legal Ownership
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Need some words of wisdom on ownership from the group.
Several months ago I sold a 9N Ford Tractor with some accessories to
a guy. He paid cash the day of the sale and agreed to come back for the
bucket/loader & two bottome plow.  To date he has not made any attempt to
return nor contact me as promised. Have left several messages on his voice mail but not heard back. Also when I wrote him the receipt of the purchase I included his address of which I stopped by same the other day and discovered by the current person residing that no one knew of him. So now I have no way to find out where he lives to send him notice.
My question is is there a legal period of time on who owns the accesories? I had heard after some period of time the ownership goes back to the seller if items are not claimed by the buyer.
Thank you in advance.
Curt Andree


From jlb94 at juno.com  Mon Jul  1 08:14:50 2013
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2013 15:14:50 GMT
Subject: [SEL] Legal Ownership
Message-ID: <20130701.111450.5156.2@webmail03.vgs.untd.com>

Hi Curt,
If this guy moved - - Surely there must be a record with the state/city court house or Post Office as to where he went.
90 days is probably the LEGAL amount of time that you should wait.
If it were me, I'd give him a year.



Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-,     If there are no dogs in heaven,
 \/)"(\/     when I die I want to go where they went.
 (_0_)                 "In memory of Bre-Dog"  
                                                          

                                



---------- Original Message ----------
From: cgandree at mchsi.com
To: SEL Lists <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>,        Old eng list <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Subject: [SEL] Legal Ownership
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2013 07:42:45 -0500 (CDT)

Need some words of wisdom on ownership from the group.
Several months ago I sold a 9N Ford Tractor with some accessories to
a guy. He paid cash the day of the sale and agreed to come back for the
bucket/loader & two bottome plow.  To date he has not made any attempt to
return nor contact me as promised. Have left several messages on his voice mail but not heard back. Also when I wrote him the receipt of the purchase I included his address of which I stopped by same the other day and discovered by the current person residing that no one knew of him. So now I have no way to find out where he lives to send him notice.
My question is is there a legal period of time on who owns the accesories? I had heard after some period of time the ownership goes back to the seller if items are not claimed by the buyer.
Thank you in advance.
Curt Andree
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From rob at rustyiron.com  Mon Jul  1 09:35:07 2013
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2013 09:35:07 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Legal Ownership
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On Jul 1, 2013, at 5:42 AM, cgandree at mchsi.com wrote:

> Need some words of wisdom on ownership from the group.
> Several months ago I sold a 9N Ford Tractor with some accessories to
> a guy. 

The guy is now imposing upon you. He?s taking up your valuable space, he?s taking up your valuable time, and he?s making you do the legwork of tracking him down. Sometimes it?s hard to know when you?ve stopped being a gentleman and have become a doormat. Once you figure out where that fine line is, you?ll know it?s ok to get his junk out of your garage. If you feel bad about selling it twice, give it away to a school or church or anyone with a truck who will haul it away. 

If you want to give have one last shot at tracking him down, try zabasearch.com or pipl.com. 
 
 



From swilliams268 at frontier.com  Mon Jul  1 13:27:47 2013
From: swilliams268 at frontier.com (Steve W.)
Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2013 16:27:47 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Legal Ownership
In-Reply-To: <523505831.5662681372682565899.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>
References: <523505831.5662681372682565899.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>
Message-ID: <51D1E643.5040909@frontier.com>

cgandree at mchsi.com wrote:
> Need some words of wisdom on ownership from the group. Several months
> ago I sold a 9N Ford Tractor with some accessories to a guy. He paid
> cash the day of the sale and agreed to come back for the 
> bucket/loader & two bottome plow.  To date he has not made any
> attempt to return nor contact me as promised. Have left several
> messages on his voice mail but not heard back. Also when I wrote him
> the receipt of the purchase I included his address of which I stopped
> by same the other day and discovered by the current person residing
> that no one knew of him. So now I have no way to find out where he
> lives to send him notice. My question is is there a legal period of
> time on who owns the accesories? I had heard after some period of
> time the ownership goes back to the seller if items are not claimed
> by the buyer. Thank you in advance. Curt Andree 

Well there are two methods. One do the leg work yourself and try to find 
the guy.

OR - Send a registered letter to the address. When/If it comes back as 
non-deliverable then contact your local police department and explain 
the situation and ask if they can trace him in regards to abandoned 
property.

The clock starts ticking when you send the letter. Then the limit 
depends on your area but it usually ranges from 60-90 days.


-- 
Steve W.


From George.Best at adp.com  Mon Jul  1 14:20:29 2013
From: George.Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2013 21:20:29 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Legal Ownership
In-Reply-To: <51D1E643.5040909@frontier.com>
References: <523505831.5662681372682565899.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>
	<51D1E643.5040909@frontier.com>
Message-ID: <8ED2A37CFAC7D942985D084BE657345535D75AA9@DSXMBX3HE.ds.ad.adp.com>

Curt,

My first thought was that it was possible you had the address recorded wrong.
If the transaction was a few months ago and the person living at that address doesn't know that person, then my first question would have been how long has the current person lived there.
If they moved in after your transaction it would be possible that address is correct and the buyer has moved, otherwise it would indicate the address was incorrect.

If you have a working phone number for the person, I'd keep calling it at different times and days until someone answers.

If space is not a concern, I'd personally hold the items for a year before attempted to dispose of them to someone else.

Just my 2cents

George






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From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Steve W.
Sent: Monday, July 01, 2013 1:28 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Legal Ownership

cgandree at mchsi.com wrote:
> Need some words of wisdom on ownership from the group. Several months 
> ago I sold a 9N Ford Tractor with some accessories to a guy. He paid 
> cash the day of the sale and agreed to come back for the bucket/loader 
> & two bottome plow.  To date he has not made any attempt to return nor 
> contact me as promised. Have left several messages on his voice mail 
> but not heard back. Also when I wrote him the receipt of the purchase 
> I included his address of which I stopped by same the other day and 
> discovered by the current person residing that no one knew of him. So 
> now I have no way to find out where he lives to send him notice. My 
> question is is there a legal period of time on who owns the 
> accesories? I had heard after some period of time the ownership goes 
> back to the seller if items are not claimed by the buyer. Thank you in 
> advance. Curt Andree

Well there are two methods. One do the leg work yourself and try to find the guy.

OR - Send a registered letter to the address. When/If it comes back as non-deliverable then contact your local police department and explain the situation and ask if they can trace him in regards to abandoned property.

The clock starts ticking when you send the letter. Then the limit depends on your area but it usually ranges from 60-90 days.


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From rotigel at me.com  Mon Jul  1 18:24:03 2013
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2013 21:24:03 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Legal Ownership
In-Reply-To: <523505831.5662681372682565899.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>
References: <523505831.5662681372682565899.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>
Message-ID: <B920CCE6-3FF5-4916-B75F-E960ECFAA7B6@me.com>

Hi Curt, 
	You asked for legal advice and so far all you have gotten (from what I can see) is opinion and moral advice. While worthwhile, it's NOT what you asked for! The answer to your question is that the time period varies from state to state. Further, in some states, it varies dependent upon the value (or the amt. paid for) of the item. Only someone knowledge of the law in your state (and the state of the buyer) can give you a reasoned opinion in answer to your question!
	Dave
PS, On a happier note: If he has no record of the sale (i.e. a receipt, etc) and if you are willing to lie under oath, you are free to do as you wish!
PPS, The fact that the government now has a record of the sale (proven by your first post) may cause you to reconsider my first "PS".

On Jul 1, 2013, at 8:42 AM, cgandree at mchsi.com wrote:

> Need some words of wisdom on ownership from the group.
> Several months ago I sold a 9N Ford Tractor with some accessories to
> a guy. He paid cash the day of the sale and agreed to come back for the
> bucket/loader & two bottome plow.  To date he has not made any attempt to
> return nor contact me as promised. Have left several messages on his voice mail but not heard back. Also when I wrote him the receipt of the purchase I included his address of which I stopped by same the other day and discovered by the current person residing that no one knew of him. So now I have no way to find out where he lives to send him notice.
> My question is is there a legal period of time on who owns the accesories? I had heard after some period of time the ownership goes back to the seller if items are not claimed by the buyer.
> Thank you in advance.
> Curt Andree
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From cgandree at mchsi.com  Tue Jul  2 03:26:54 2013
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2013 05:26:54 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [SEL] Legal Ownership undate
In-Reply-To: <1552886149.5793691372760756715.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>
Message-ID: <1522344000.5793721372760814110.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>

Yesterday I was able to make contact with the guys brother whom after a few minutes of talk realized we knew each other through the local antique engine club. He then told me that his brother had a lifetime issue of mental illness and been in and out of various mental hospitals and the family had pretty much disowned him.
The guy had payed him a visit about a month before he bought the tractor asking to borrow money but was refused and started to bad mouth him and his wife so through him off his property. He did suggest that I call there sister and maybe she would know where he was so did.  She told me that he had showed up at there farm just prior to him paying me for the tractor to ask if he could store the tractor there but her husband refused and he cussed them out and left. She had heard he was living at a cheap motel in a town 20 miles away and heard the tractor was being stored by the owner of the resturant next door. I dicided to drive over and look for him. Got there about lunch time and stopped at the resturant because I knew the owner well and discussed the issue while eating lunch. The owner said he did have the tractor in one of his building nearby but the guy was not paying the storage charges so thought he would try to reposes it for the past rent due. After lunch I went over to the motel and talked to the lady who owned it. She asked how well I knew him so explained the sale of the tractor and what the family had told me about his condition. She warned me that she had given him notice last week to pack up and move because him going of the wall disturbing other motel quests plus not paying his rent. Also she advised that it might not be a good idea to call on him today as he had had another blow up runing in out of his room yelling and cussing earlier. Her suggestion was to stop and get advice from the local police chief whom I knew. I told her that I might send him a letter about retrieving the accessories but she said since he was expected to leave in two days it more then likely would be returned.  I know this is long story but it is kind of a engine related problem and thought maybe someone else had experienced something similiar.  Thanks for listening and will keep all posted.
Curt Andree



From jlb94 at juno.com  Tue Jul  2 06:42:35 2013
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2013 13:42:35 GMT
Subject: [SEL] Legal Ownership undate
Message-ID: <20130702.094235.463.0@webmail10.vgs.untd.com>

Hi Curt,
I thought things like this only happen to me !!!   I once had an accident where a kid hit my truck and pulled the front fender away from the wheel.  He didn't want his parents to know and he swore he would pay me for the damage.  After several tries to contact him, I learned that the whole family knew about it and they ALL were protecting him.  I finally had the STATE take his license plate off his car.  Then the family owed up and paid the damage.
Good Luck !!! 



Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-,     If there are no dogs in heaven,
 \/)"(\/     when I die I want to go where they went.
 (_0_)                 "In memory of Bre-Dog"  
                                                          

                                



---------- Original Message ----------
From: cgandree at mchsi.com
To: SEL Lists <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>,        Old eng list <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Subject: [SEL] Legal Ownership undate
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2013 05:26:54 -0500 (CDT)

Yesterday I was able to make contact with the guys brother whom after a few minutes of talk realized we knew each other through the local antique engine club. He then told me that his brother had a lifetime issue of mental illness and been in and out of various mental hospitals and the family had pretty much disowned him.
The guy had payed him a visit about a month before he bought the tractor asking to borrow money but was refused and started to bad mouth him and his wife so through him off his property. He did suggest that I call there sister and maybe she would know where he was so did.  She told me that he had showed up at there farm just prior to him paying me for the tractor to ask if he could store the tractor there but her husband refused and he cussed them out and left. She had heard he was living at a cheap motel in a town 20 miles away and heard the tractor was being stored by the owner of the resturant next door. I dicided to drive over and look for him. Got there about lunch time and stopped at the resturant because I knew the owner well and discussed the issue while eating lunch. The owner said he did have the tractor in one of his building nearby but the guy was not paying the storage charges so thought he would try to reposes it for the past rent due. After lunch I went over t!
o the motel and talked to the lady who owned it. She asked how well I knew him so explained the sale of the tractor and what the family had told me about his condition. She warned me that she had given him notice last week to pack up and move because him going of the wall disturbing other motel quests plus not paying his rent. Also she advised that it might not be a good idea to call on him today as he had had another blow up runing in out of his room yelling and cussing earlier. Her suggestion was to stop and get advice from the local police chief whom I knew. I told her that I might send him a letter about retrieving the accessories but she said since he was expected to leave in two days it more then likely would be returned.  I know this is long story but it is kind of a engine related problem and thought maybe someone else had experienced something similiar.  Thanks for listening and will keep all posted.
Curt Andree

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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Sun Jul  7 05:44:06 2013
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2013 07:44:06 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [SEL] Fuller & Johnson help needed
Message-ID: <791974606.6264071373201046006.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>

I have finally brought out one of my back burner restoration projects a little Fuller & Johnson engine that I bought at an estate sale some 15yrs ago. Believe it to be a model N, 1 1/2hp. This previous owner had completely torn down the engine and was planning to restore and get running so
all the parts were still there.  It also has both the ignitor asy as well as the spark plug asy so
its possible to run it either way.  I am chosing the ignitor method.  When sorting through all the parts yesterday discovered that the ID serial plate was missing off the hopper, just the two brass screws were there. I can't remember if I bought it that way or have missplaced the tag. My help question is does anyone know where the serial number might be stamped if at all?  I have pretty much wire wheeled all the of the engine and checked the most likely places like water hopper, flywheels, end of the crank shafts and flat areas just forward the crank shaft.  Also who might have repro tags?
thank you in advance,
Curt Andree


From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com  Sun Jul  7 06:29:12 2013
From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle)
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2013 08:29:12 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fuller & Johnson help needed
In-Reply-To: <791974606.6264071373201046006.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>
References: <791974606.6264071373201046006.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>
Message-ID: <4D26A512-4967-46CF-80C7-67156F8F0DC7@yahoo.com>

Verne Kindschi used to have plates. If he doesn't have them anymore, he most likely knows who does.
Joe

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 7, 2013, at 7:44 AM, cgandree at mchsi.com wrote:

> I have finally brought out one of my back burner restoration projects a little Fuller & Johnson engine that I bought at an estate sale some 15yrs ago. Believe it to be a model N, 1 1/2hp. This previous owner had completely torn down the engine and was planning to restore and get running so
> all the parts were still there.  It also has both the ignitor asy as well as the spark plug asy so
> its possible to run it either way.  I am chosing the ignitor method.  When sorting through all the parts yesterday discovered that the ID serial plate was missing off the hopper, just the two brass screws were there. I can't remember if I bought it that way or have missplaced the tag. My help question is does anyone know where the serial number might be stamped if at all?  I have pretty much wire wheeled all the of the engine and checked the most likely places like water hopper, flywheels, end of the crank shafts and flat areas just forward the crank shaft.  Also who might have repro tags?
> thank you in advance,
> Curt Andree
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From Vivas1993 at aol.com  Sun Jul  7 06:41:19 2013
From: Vivas1993 at aol.com (Vivas1993 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2013 09:41:19 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Fuller & Johnson help needed
Message-ID: <11599e.332f371d.3f0ac9ff@aol.com>

Hey Curt,
Unless it's a very early engine, the numbers are only stamped on the  tag.
I've also got a couple of F&J engines that are missing their  tags.
 
Starbolt has the repo tags.
 
Dwight
 
 
In a message dated 7/7/2013 8:47:39 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
cgandree at mchsi.com writes:

I have  finally brought out one of my back burner restoration projects a 
little Fuller  & Johnson engine that I bought at an estate sale some 15yrs 
ago. Believe  it to be a model N, 1 1/2hp. This previous owner had completely 
torn down the  engine and was planning to restore and get running so
all the parts were  still there.  It also has both the ignitor asy as well 
as the spark plug  asy so
its possible to run it either way.  I am chosing the ignitor  method.  When 
sorting through all the parts yesterday discovered that the  ID serial 
plate was missing off the hopper, just the two brass screws were  there. I can't 
remember if I bought it that way or have missplaced the tag. My  help 
question is does anyone know where the serial number might be stamped if  at all? 
 I have pretty much wire wheeled all the of the engine and  checked the 
most likely places like water hopper, flywheels, end of the crank  shafts and 
flat areas just forward the crank shaft.  Also who might have  repro tags?
thank you in advance,
Curt  Andree
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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Sun Jul  7 07:39:08 2013
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2013 09:39:08 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [SEL] Fuller & Johnson help needed
In-Reply-To: <11599e.332f371d.3f0ac9ff@aol.com>
Message-ID: <1034164831.6269511373207948579.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>

Hey Dwight good hearing from you again and thanks for the info.
Curt
----- Original Message -----
From: Vivas1993 at aol.com
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Sent: Sunday, July 7, 2013 8:41:19 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fuller & Johnson help needed

Hey Curt,
Unless it's a very early engine, the numbers are only stamped on the  tag.
I've also got a couple of F&J engines that are missing their  tags.
 
Starbolt has the repo tags.
 
Dwight
 
 
In a message dated 7/7/2013 8:47:39 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
cgandree at mchsi.com writes:

I have  finally brought out one of my back burner restoration projects a 
little Fuller  & Johnson engine that I bought at an estate sale some 15yrs 
ago. Believe  it to be a model N, 1 1/2hp. This previous owner had completely 
torn down the  engine and was planning to restore and get running so
all the parts were  still there.  It also has both the ignitor asy as well 
as the spark plug  asy so
its possible to run it either way.  I am chosing the ignitor  method.  When 
sorting through all the parts yesterday discovered that the  ID serial 
plate was missing off the hopper, just the two brass screws were  there. I can't 
remember if I bought it that way or have missplaced the tag. My  help 
question is does anyone know where the serial number might be stamped if  at all? 
 I have pretty much wire wheeled all the of the engine and  checked the 
most likely places like water hopper, flywheels, end of the crank  shafts and 
flat areas just forward the crank shaft.  Also who might have  repro tags?
thank you in advance,
Curt  Andree
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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Sun Jul  7 07:40:13 2013
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2013 09:40:13 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [SEL] Fuller & Johnson help needed
In-Reply-To: <4D26A512-4967-46CF-80C7-67156F8F0DC7@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <57764030.6269651373208013708.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>

Thanks Joe hope to see you at the show.
Curt
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From: "Joe Prindle" <joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 7, 2013 8:29:12 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fuller & Johnson help needed

Verne Kindschi used to have plates. If he doesn't have them anymore, he most likely knows who does.
Joe

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 7, 2013, at 7:44 AM, cgandree at mchsi.com wrote:

> I have finally brought out one of my back burner restoration projects a little Fuller & Johnson engine that I bought at an estate sale some 15yrs ago. Believe it to be a model N, 1 1/2hp. This previous owner had completely torn down the engine and was planning to restore and get running so
> all the parts were still there.  It also has both the ignitor asy as well as the spark plug asy so
> its possible to run it either way.  I am chosing the ignitor method.  When sorting through all the parts yesterday discovered that the ID serial plate was missing off the hopper, just the two brass screws were there. I can't remember if I bought it that way or have missplaced the tag. My help question is does anyone know where the serial number might be stamped if at all?  I have pretty much wire wheeled all the of the engine and checked the most likely places like water hopper, flywheels, end of the crank shafts and flat areas just forward the crank shaft.  Also who might have repro tags?
> thank you in advance,
> Curt Andree
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

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From rotigel at me.com  Wed Jul 10 17:39:08 2013
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2013 20:39:08 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Drag Saw Help Needed
Message-ID: <4DEF3165-10F2-438B-9CEB-DB8226D10C0D@me.com>

Hi All, 
	I'm trying to help out a fellow that I just met who has an early Ottawa Drag saw. It's a two flywheel saw with a Webster mag. My question (to start) is how does the clutch work on this saw? There is no clutch rod as there is on the later Ottawa saws. BUT it sure seems to me that the saw must have a clutch release of some kind. A similar saw can be seen at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-S0DaAXDziA
	Thanks, Dave


From rotigel at me.com  Thu Jul 11 19:04:58 2013
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2013 22:04:58 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Farmer's Welfare To Continue?
Message-ID: <42681156-89AE-4187-ABD6-CBEF9EF7672C@me.com>

See: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/07/11/house-republicans-drop-food-stamps-from-massive-farm-bill/

From wilson at stny.rr.com  Thu Jul 11 19:14:55 2013
From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson)
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2013 22:14:55 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Farmer's Welfare To Continue?
In-Reply-To: <42681156-89AE-4187-ABD6-CBEF9EF7672C@me.com>
References: <42681156-89AE-4187-ABD6-CBEF9EF7672C@me.com>
Message-ID: <BC004C38-D9C4-4CC0-9E08-A1C8ECB50999@stny.rr.com>

You can read anything you'd like to on Fox Entertainment!

Glenn Wilson
Endicott, NY
www.WilsonsWarbler.com

On Jul 11, 2013, at 10:04 PM, Dave Rotigel <rotigel at me.com> wrote:

See: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/07/11/house-republicans-drop-food-stamps-from-massive-farm-bill/
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From rotigel at me.com  Thu Jul 11 19:42:06 2013
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2013 22:42:06 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Farmer's Welfare To Continue?
In-Reply-To: <BC004C38-D9C4-4CC0-9E08-A1C8ECB50999@stny.rr.com>
References: <42681156-89AE-4187-ABD6-CBEF9EF7672C@me.com>
	<BC004C38-D9C4-4CC0-9E08-A1C8ECB50999@stny.rr.com>
Message-ID: <AC03AA62-3D75-4C71-AD29-16FE258B2F74@me.com>

What on earth do you mean by that Glenn? How does it relate, in any way, to what I posted?
	Dave

On Jul 11, 2013, at 10:14 PM, Glenn Wilson wrote:

> You can read anything you'd like to on Fox Entertainment!
> 
> Glenn Wilson
> Endicott, NY
> www.WilsonsWarbler.com
> 
> On Jul 11, 2013, at 10:04 PM, Dave Rotigel <rotigel at me.com> wrote:
> 
> See: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/07/11/house-republicans-drop-food-stamps-from-massive-farm-bill/



From bdb at mchsi.com  Thu Jul 11 21:06:44 2013
From: bdb at mchsi.com (Barry)
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2013 23:06:44 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Farmer's Welfare To Continue?
In-Reply-To: <AC03AA62-3D75-4C71-AD29-16FE258B2F74@me.com>
References: <42681156-89AE-4187-ABD6-CBEF9EF7672C@me.com><BC004C38-D9C4-4CC0-9E08-A1C8ECB50999@stny.rr.com>
	<AC03AA62-3D75-4C71-AD29-16FE258B2F74@me.com>
Message-ID: <DB9E6BF13EAA4F26B975147701636187@buffystoy>

I don't know about Glenn but I rather enjoyed that story!

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Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 9:42 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Farmer's Welfare To Continue?


> What on earth do you mean by that Glenn? How does it relate, in any way, 
> to what I posted?
> Dave
>
> On Jul 11, 2013, at 10:14 PM, Glenn Wilson wrote:
>
>> You can read anything you'd like to on Fox Entertainment!
>>
>> Glenn Wilson
>> Endicott, NY
>> www.WilsonsWarbler.com
>>
>> On Jul 11, 2013, at 10:04 PM, Dave Rotigel <rotigel at me.com> wrote:
>>
>> See: 
>> http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/07/11/house-republicans-drop-food-stamps-from-massive-farm-bill/
>
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From wilson at stny.rr.com  Thu Jul 11 22:22:20 2013
From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 01:22:20 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Farmer's Welfare To Continue?
In-Reply-To: <DB9E6BF13EAA4F26B975147701636187@buffystoy>
References: <42681156-89AE-4187-ABD6-CBEF9EF7672C@me.com>
	<BC004C38-D9C4-4CC0-9E08-A1C8ECB50999@stny.rr.com>
	<AC03AA62-3D75-4C71-AD29-16FE258B2F74@me.com>
	<DB9E6BF13EAA4F26B975147701636187@buffystoy>
Message-ID: <27963B58-DD49-425F-86D1-F00F86B1C386@stny.rr.com>

I guess I'll read the article then. Before I could hit the link I saw "foxnews" in the link and couldn't resist. 

Glenn Wilson
Endicott, NY
www.WilsonsWarbler.com

On Jul 12, 2013, at 12:06 AM, "Barry" <bdb at mchsi.com> wrote:

I don't know about Glenn but I rather enjoyed that story!

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
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Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 9:42 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Farmer's Welfare To Continue?


> What on earth do you mean by that Glenn? How does it relate, in any way, 
> to what I posted?
> Dave
> 
> On Jul 11, 2013, at 10:14 PM, Glenn Wilson wrote:
> 
>> You can read anything you'd like to on Fox Entertainment!
>> 
>> Glenn Wilson
>> Endicott, NY
>> www.WilsonsWarbler.com
>> 
>> On Jul 11, 2013, at 10:04 PM, Dave Rotigel <rotigel at me.com> wrote:
>> 
>> See: 
>> http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/07/11/house-republicans-drop-food-stamps-from-massive-farm-bill/
> 
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From k_armstrong1 at bigpond.com  Fri Jul 12 18:19:40 2013
From: k_armstrong1 at bigpond.com (k_armstrong1 at bigpond.com)
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2013 09:19:40 +0800
Subject: [SEL] crossley information
Message-ID: <F5AE0E4673CA45DB9FB13EDB31942015@userPC>

I have been trying to contact Kerry Morris re bellow,

hello Kerry,
I have contacted you before re my Crossley JJ engine, you sent me diagrams for the fuel / air housing you manufactured, could you please resend me the diagrams as my computer hard drive had to be replaced and i have lost a lot of information, I have got a housing from someone in Vic but now need to get it machined.
regards
Kevin Armstrong
k_armstrong1 at bigpond.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong/

From ozengine at iinet.net.au  Fri Jul 12 20:53:17 2013
From: ozengine at iinet.net.au (Kerry)
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2013 13:53:17 +1000
Subject: [SEL] crossley information
In-Reply-To: <F5AE0E4673CA45DB9FB13EDB31942015@userPC>
References: <F5AE0E4673CA45DB9FB13EDB31942015@userPC>
Message-ID: <EA7E2965FA964D1382C80B80106BF1D5@KerryPC>

You got me, away from home, will send info in a few days time.
New email address
ozengine at iinet.net.au

Kerry


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From: <k_armstrong1 at bigpond.com>
To: <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>; <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2013 11:19 AM
Subject: [SEL] crossley information


>I have been trying to contact Kerry Morris re bellow,
>
> hello Kerry,
> I have contacted you before re my Crossley JJ engine, you sent me diagrams 
> for the fuel / air housing you manufactured, could you please resend me 
> the diagrams as my computer hard drive had to be replaced and i have lost 
> a lot of information, I have got a housing from someone in Vic but now 
> need to get it machined.
> regards
> Kevin Armstrong
> k_armstrong1 at bigpond.com
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong/
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From kkinney at herculesengines.com  Fri Jul 12 21:29:17 2013
From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (kkinney at herculesengines.com)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 23:29:17 -0500
Subject: [SEL] 5 HP Acadia engine in Boat
In-Reply-To: <51BB9ABB.90307@eldensengines.com>
References: <51BB9ABB.90307@eldensengines.com>
Message-ID: <77D2F726-BA8C-4FBB-8CFE-7371EE6B2F3E@herculesengines.com>

Last fall we bought a boat the a 5 HP Acadia engine in it.  This past weekend we finally got a chance to put it into the water.  It took a lot of cranking and tuning but we finally got it running pretty good and we had a lot of fun putting around the lake. Here is a video of "Putt Putt" If you want to see the engine skip to the last quarter of the video. If anyone know anything about the history of this boat or has any suggestions please let me know. We still need to get the starting process figured out. 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P92z1LhyA-o
Keith
www.herculesengines.com


From jbcast at charter.net  Sat Jul 13 02:39:52 2013
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2013 05:39:52 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] 5 HP Acadia engine in Boat
Message-ID: <385d6fdc.9df44d.13fd7669734.Webtop.43@charter.net>

The boat looks good Keith, it moves along at a good clip with the 
Acadia. Are you controlling it with the throttle or do you use timing 
also?
J.B. Castagnos


On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 11:29 PM, kkinney at herculesengines.com wrote:

> Last fall we bought a boat the a 5 HP Acadia engine in it.  This past 
> weekend we finally got a chance to put it into the water.  It took a 
> lot of cranking and tuning but we finally got it running pretty good 
> and we had a lot of fun putting around the lake. Here is a video of 
> "Putt Putt" If you want to see the engine skip to the last quarter of 
> the video. If anyone know anything about the history of this boat or 
> has any suggestions please let me know. We still need to get the 
> starting process figured out. 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P92z1LhyA-o
> Keith
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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Sat Jul 13 03:51:51 2013
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2013 05:51:51 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [SEL] Drag Saw Help Needed
In-Reply-To: <792863554.7048961373712492019.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>
Message-ID: <879425673.7048981373712711679.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>

Dave,
I used to have one of these "man killer" single flywheel saws, but sold it about ten years ago. I kept the the original manual and advertising booklets and it appears that the older models had the clutch built into the gear box and as soon as you lifted the saw assemble out of the cut log it shut the saw off. Unfortunately there are no clear pictures of your friends earlier model but discuses the improvements made on the newer ones like mine was. There was one on display a couple years ago at Baraboo like your friends. Maybe we could ask around in August to see who owns it.
Curt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
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Cc: "Diana Lundberg" <dkl2368 at yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2013 7:39:08 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: [SEL] Drag Saw Help Needed

Hi All, 
	I'm trying to help out a fellow that I just met who has an early Ottawa Drag saw. It's a two flywheel saw with a Webster mag. My question (to start) is how does the clutch work on this saw? There is no clutch rod as there is on the later Ottawa saws. BUT it sure seems to me that the saw must have a clutch release of some kind. A similar saw can be seen at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-S0DaAXDziA
	Thanks, Dave
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From dtallman at accnorwalk.com  Sat Jul 13 05:23:18 2013
From: dtallman at accnorwalk.com (Doug Tallman)
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2013 08:23:18 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Drag Saw Help Needed
In-Reply-To: <879425673.7048981373712711679.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>
References: <879425673.7048981373712711679.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>
Message-ID: <51E146B6.8010109@accnorwalk.com>


I've got one of the 2 flywheel Ottawa engines and I bought a parts unit 
for the saw. Near as I can tell, its just a spring loaded slipper clutch 
that would only work if the blade got bound. It didn't look like there 
was any provision to stop the saw. Doug T




cgandree at mchsi.com wrote:
> Dave,
> I used to have one of these "man killer" single flywheel saws, but sold it about ten years ago. I kept the the original manual and advertising booklets and it appears that the older models had the clutch built into the gear box and as soon as you lifted the saw assemble out of the cut log it shut the saw off. Unfortunately there are no clear pictures of your friends earlier model but discuses the improvements made on the newer ones like mine was. There was one on display a couple years ago at Baraboo like your friends. Maybe we could ask around in August to see who owns it.
> Curt
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Cc: "Diana Lundberg" <dkl2368 at yahoo.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2013 7:39:08 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
> Subject: [SEL] Drag Saw Help Needed
>
> Hi All, 
> 	I'm trying to help out a fellow that I just met who has an early Ottawa Drag saw. It's a two flywheel saw with a Webster mag. My question (to start) is how does the clutch work on this saw? There is no clutch rod as there is on the later Ottawa saws. BUT it sure seems to me that the saw must have a clutch release of some kind. A similar saw can be seen at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-S0DaAXDziA
> 	Thanks, Dave
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From rotigel at me.com  Sat Jul 13 05:23:46 2013
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2013 08:23:46 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Drag Saw Help Needed
In-Reply-To: <879425673.7048981373712711679.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>
References: <879425673.7048981373712711679.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>
Message-ID: <44BCBCAF-C8EF-42C9-A161-8928FCAE0960@me.com>

Hi Curt, Could you please duplicate the literature that you have and snail it to me? Let me know the cost and I'll even up in Baraboo. THANKS!
	Dave
PS, I'm at: 	Dave Rotigel
			208 Kennan Drive
			Greensburg, PA
			15601
PPS, Sure would be nice if the Ottawa you saw several years ago showed up again this year!


On Jul 13, 2013, at 6:51 AM, cgandree at mchsi.com wrote:

> Dave,
> I used to have one of these "man killer" single flywheel saws, but sold it about ten years ago. I kept the the original manual and advertising booklets and it appears that the older models had the clutch built into the gear box and as soon as you lifted the saw assemble out of the cut log it shut the saw off. Unfortunately there are no clear pictures of your friends earlier model but discuses the improvements made on the newer ones like mine was. There was one on display a couple years ago at Baraboo like your friends. Maybe we could ask around in August to see who owns it.
> Curt
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Cc: "Diana Lundberg" <dkl2368 at yahoo.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2013 7:39:08 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
> Subject: [SEL] Drag Saw Help Needed
> 
> Hi All, 
> 	I'm trying to help out a fellow that I just met who has an early Ottawa Drag saw. It's a two flywheel saw with a Webster mag. My question (to start) is how does the clutch work on this saw? There is no clutch rod as there is on the later Ottawa saws. BUT it sure seems to me that the saw must have a clutch release of some kind. A similar saw can be seen at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-S0DaAXDziA
> 	Thanks, Dave
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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Sat Jul 13 05:50:20 2013
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2013 07:50:20 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [SEL] Drag Saw Help Needed
In-Reply-To: <44BCBCAF-C8EF-42C9-A161-8928FCAE0960@me.com>
Message-ID: <1384173989.7053101373719820666.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>

Ok Dave, will work on a copy. Unfortunately the original is very poor quality and very light due to age I think. 
Curt
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To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Cc: "Diana Lundberg" <dkl2368 at yahoo.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2013 7:23:46 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [SEL] Drag Saw Help Needed

Hi Curt, Could you please duplicate the literature that you have and snail it to me? Let me know the cost and I'll even up in Baraboo. THANKS!
	Dave
PS, I'm at: 	Dave Rotigel
			208 Kennan Drive
			Greensburg, PA
			15601
PPS, Sure would be nice if the Ottawa you saw several years ago showed up again this year!


On Jul 13, 2013, at 6:51 AM, cgandree at mchsi.com wrote:

> Dave,
> I used to have one of these "man killer" single flywheel saws, but sold it about ten years ago. I kept the the original manual and advertising booklets and it appears that the older models had the clutch built into the gear box and as soon as you lifted the saw assemble out of the cut log it shut the saw off. Unfortunately there are no clear pictures of your friends earlier model but discuses the improvements made on the newer ones like mine was. There was one on display a couple years ago at Baraboo like your friends. Maybe we could ask around in August to see who owns it.
> Curt
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Cc: "Diana Lundberg" <dkl2368 at yahoo.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2013 7:39:08 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
> Subject: [SEL] Drag Saw Help Needed
> 
> Hi All, 
> 	I'm trying to help out a fellow that I just met who has an early Ottawa Drag saw. It's a two flywheel saw with a Webster mag. My question (to start) is how does the clutch work on this saw? There is no clutch rod as there is on the later Ottawa saws. BUT it sure seems to me that the saw must have a clutch release of some kind. A similar saw can be seen at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-S0DaAXDziA
> 	Thanks, Dave
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From rotigel at me.com  Sat Jul 13 05:55:49 2013
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2013 08:55:49 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Drag Saw Help Needed
In-Reply-To: <51E146B6.8010109@accnorwalk.com>
References: <879425673.7048981373712711679.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>
	<51E146B6.8010109@accnorwalk.com>
Message-ID: <A4E41B3D-C4D3-4CB8-874B-9E0113A30D3B@me.com>

Hi Doug, 
	I'm not really understanding. Are you saying that the clutch simply releases when the blade get's bound (or does it just slip) and that the blade runs ALL THE TIME once the saw is started? Is the "spring loaded" clutch arrangement to which you refer simply that nut and spring on the end of the off-side crankshaft? That same nut and spring arrangement is used to adjust the clutch on a Hercules saw rig.  Any chance you could take some close up pictures of the spring loaded clutch arrangement and send them to me? THANKS!
	Dave

On Jul 13, 2013, at 8:23 AM, Doug Tallman wrote:

> 
> I've got one of the 2 flywheel Ottawa engines and I bought a parts unit 
> for the saw. Near as I can tell, its just a spring loaded slipper clutch 
> that would only work if the blade got bound. It didn't look like there 
> was any provision to stop the saw. Doug T
> 
> 
> 
> 
> cgandree at mchsi.com wrote:
>> Dave,
>> I used to have one of these "man killer" single flywheel saws, but sold it about ten years ago. I kept the the original manual and advertising booklets and it appears that the older models had the clutch built into the gear box and as soon as you lifted the saw assemble out of the cut log it shut the saw off. Unfortunately there are no clear pictures of your friends earlier model but discuses the improvements made on the newer ones like mine was. There was one on display a couple years ago at Baraboo like your friends. Maybe we could ask around in August to see who owns it.
>> Curt
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Cc: "Diana Lundberg" <dkl2368 at yahoo.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2013 7:39:08 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
>> Subject: [SEL] Drag Saw Help Needed
>> 
>> Hi All, 
>> 	I'm trying to help out a fellow that I just met who has an early Ottawa Drag saw. It's a two flywheel saw with a Webster mag. My question (to start) is how does the clutch work on this saw? There is no clutch rod as there is on the later Ottawa saws. BUT it sure seems to me that the saw must have a clutch release of some kind. A similar saw can be seen at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-S0DaAXDziA
>> 	Thanks, Dave
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From dtallman at accnorwalk.com  Sat Jul 13 06:59:24 2013
From: dtallman at accnorwalk.com (Doug Tallman)
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2013 09:59:24 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Drag Saw Help Needed
In-Reply-To: <A4E41B3D-C4D3-4CB8-874B-9E0113A30D3B@me.com>
References: <879425673.7048981373712711679.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11><51E146B6.8010109@accnorwalk.com>
	<A4E41B3D-C4D3-4CB8-874B-9E0113A30D3B@me.com>
Message-ID: <51E15D3C.7090508@accnorwalk.com>


My understanding was that the blade runs all the time and the clutch 
will slip if it gets bound to keep from breaking things. The nut and 
spring set the tension on the fiber disc as to how easy it slips. There 
wasn't anything to make it fully release. The early Vaughan saws worked 
the same way. I'll have to look and see if I can locate the Ottawa parts 
and take pics. I've never got around to putting the saw together and its 
been awhile since I've even seen the parts.  Doug T






Dave Rotigel wrote:
> Hi Doug, 
> 	I'm not really understanding. Are you saying that the clutch simply releases when the blade get's bound (or does it just slip) and that the blade runs ALL THE TIME once the saw is started? Is the "spring loaded" clutch arrangement to which you refer simply that nut and spring on the end of the off-side crankshaft? That same nut and spring arrangement is used to adjust the clutch on a Hercules saw rig.  Any chance you could take some close up pictures of the spring loaded clutch arrangement and send them to me? THANKS!
> 	Dave
>
> On Jul 13, 2013, at 8:23 AM, Doug Tallman wrote:
>
>   
>> I've got one of the 2 flywheel Ottawa engines and I bought a parts unit 
>> for the saw. Near as I can tell, its just a spring loaded slipper clutch 
>> that would only work if the blade got bound. It didn't look like there 
>> was any provision to stop the saw. Doug T
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>     
>>>       
>   



From rotigel at me.com  Sat Jul 13 17:17:14 2013
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2013 20:17:14 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Drag Saw Help Needed
In-Reply-To: <51E15D3C.7090508@accnorwalk.com>
References: <879425673.7048981373712711679.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>
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If you can find the parts, I'd sure like to see those pictures Doug! I seem to remember that someone once told me that the Vaughn (and perhaps the Wade as well) "ran" all the time. 
	Dave
PS, Starting to "believe" but still finding it hard!
PPS, People at OSHA would have to change their undies just reading about all this!
PPPS, PLEASE, NO COMMENTS on my first PS!

On Jul 13, 2013, at 9:59 AM, Doug Tallman wrote:

> 
> My understanding was that the blade runs all the time and the clutch 
> will slip if it gets bound to keep from breaking things. The nut and 
> spring set the tension on the fiber disc as to how easy it slips. There 
> wasn't anything to make it fully release. The early Vaughan saws worked 
> the same way. I'll have to look and see if I can locate the Ottawa parts 
> and take pics. I've never got around to putting the saw together and its 
> been awhile since I've even seen the parts.  Doug T
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Dave Rotigel wrote:
>> Hi Doug, 
>> 	I'm not really understanding. Are you saying that the clutch simply releases when the blade get's bound (or does it just slip) and that the blade runs ALL THE TIME once the saw is started? Is the "spring loaded" clutch arrangement to which you refer simply that nut and spring on the end of the off-side crankshaft? That same nut and spring arrangement is used to adjust the clutch on a Hercules saw rig.  Any chance you could take some close up pictures of the spring loaded clutch arrangement and send them to me? THANKS!
>> 	Dave
>> 
>> On Jul 13, 2013, at 8:23 AM, Doug Tallman wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> I've got one of the 2 flywheel Ottawa engines and I bought a parts unit 
>>> for the saw. Near as I can tell, its just a spring loaded slipper clutch 
>>> that would only work if the blade got bound. It didn't look like there 
>>> was any provision to stop the saw. Doug T
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> 
>> 
> 
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From rotigel at me.com  Sat Jul 13 19:00:58 2013
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2013 22:00:58 -0400
Subject: [SEL] 5 HP Acadia engine in Boat
In-Reply-To: <77D2F726-BA8C-4FBB-8CFE-7371EE6B2F3E@herculesengines.com>
References: <51BB9ABB.90307@eldensengines.com>
	<77D2F726-BA8C-4FBB-8CFE-7371EE6B2F3E@herculesengines.com>
Message-ID: <C1494DFA-98DE-4C4D-9363-A7597E768EDE@me.com>

VERRRRRY NICE Keith! I take for granted you will be bringing the boat to Portland this year JUST INCASE we have a repeat of 1999! (Was that the year we got a bit of rain?)
	Dave

On Jul 13, 2013, at 12:29 AM, kkinney at herculesengines.com wrote:

> Last fall we bought a boat the a 5 HP Acadia engine in it.  This past weekend we finally got a chance to put it into the water.  It took a lot of cranking and tuning but we finally got it running pretty good and we had a lot of fun putting around the lake. Here is a video of "Putt Putt" If you want to see the engine skip to the last quarter of the video. If anyone know anything about the history of this boat or has any suggestions please let me know. We still need to get the starting process figured out. 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P92z1LhyA-o
> Keith
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From curt at rustyiron.com  Sun Jul 14 13:00:37 2013
From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com)
Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2013 16:00:37 -0400
Subject: [SEL] 5 HP Acadia engine in Boat
In-Reply-To: <77D2F726-BA8C-4FBB-8CFE-7371EE6B2F3E@herculesengines.com>
References: <51BB9ABB.90307@eldensengines.com>
	<77D2F726-BA8C-4FBB-8CFE-7371EE6B2F3E@herculesengines.com>
Message-ID: <43735fdfa716446c1ffa788f74d0a91f.squirrel@elara.lunarservers.com>

>
Keith, looking good. Looks like you are ready for skis or a knee board :-)
Curt

 Last fall we bought a boat the a 5 HP Acadia engine in it.  This past
> weekend we finally got a chance to put it into the water.  It took a lot
> of cranking and tuning but we finally got it running pretty good and we
> had a lot of fun putting around the lake. Here is a video of "Putt Putt"
> If you want to see the engine skip to the last quarter of the video. If
> anyone know anything about the history of this boat or has any suggestions
> please let me know. We still need to get the starting process figured out.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P92z1LhyA-o
> Keith
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From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Sun Jul 14 18:46:02 2013
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 11:46:02 +1000
Subject: [SEL] What can it drive?
Message-ID: <CE09917A.46CF%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

An often asked question at rallies is 'what would these engines be able to
drive?'. Here is a good answer of what and how many from the 1929
Ronaldson-Tippett Catalogue.
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/austreg/rt_1929/rtpowerlist.jpg


Patrick M Livingstone
0418 692013
Earlwood NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From rdi at rochester.rr.com  Mon Jul 15 06:44:46 2013
From: rdi at rochester.rr.com (Rick I.)
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 09:44:46 -0400
Subject: [SEL] 5 HP Acadia engine in Boat
References: <mailman.3.1373817601.978.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <0D309238BC264FCFA3133E4486ADF40C@marlin>

Keith,

Thank you very much for that great video!  It was great to not only see the 
engine run, but in its original use/setting.  I've seen many marine engines 
at shows, but never one that was being demonstrated/running.

-Rick I.

> On Jul 13, 2013, at 12:29 AM, kkinney at herculesengines.com wrote:
>
> Last fall we bought a boat the a 5 HP Acadia engine in it.  This past 
> weekend we finally got a chance to put it into the water.  It took a lot 
> of cranking and tuning but we finally got it running pretty good and we 
> had a lot of fun putting around the lake. Here is a video of "Putt Putt" 
> If you want to see the engine skip to the last quarter of the video. If 
> anyone know anything about the history of this boat or has any suggestions 
> please let me know. We still need to get the starting process figured out.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P92z1LhyA-o
> Keith



From kkinney at herculesengines.com  Mon Jul 15 20:40:27 2013
From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (kkinney at herculesengines.com)
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 22:40:27 -0500
Subject: [SEL] 5 HP Acadia engine in Boat
In-Reply-To: <43735fdfa716446c1ffa788f74d0a91f.squirrel@elara.lunarservers.com>
References: <51BB9ABB.90307@eldensengines.com>
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	<43735fdfa716446c1ffa788f74d0a91f.squirrel@elara.lunarservers.com>
Message-ID: <63D48C52-4FF0-4B93-86C9-F1D1C8071DB1@herculesengines.com>

Thanks for all the complements guys.  Let's see if I can answer the questions posed here:
The engine is a 5 HP Acadia engine with an ignitor for ignition.  
It is two cycle and direct connected to the driveshaft and propeller.  
To reverse the boat you flip a switch that kills the battery.  While the engine is slowing down you retard the timing with the timing lever.  When it is just about to stop rotating you fill the switch and if all goes right it will kick against compression and reverse direction.  If it doesn't go right you run into the dock. We did get pretty good at changing engine direction.
The previous owner had put the outboard on the back of the boat.  We will be removing it first chance we get.
We controlled the speed mostly by adjusting the throttle in the carburetor.  Moving the timing lever didn't seem to change the speed much.
Arnie, I think I need to get a few more hours of running under my belt before we set sail on the Mississippi. :-)
Bo, yes, JB has a great event, we've been to it twice.  Hopefully next year we can take Putt Putt to Louisiana.
If anyone has additional questions please let me know.
Keith
www.herculesengines.com



On Jul 14, 2013, at 3:00 PM, curt at rustyiron.com wrote:

>> 
> Keith, looking good. Looks like you are ready for skis or a knee board :-)
> Curt
> 
> Last fall we bought a boat the a 5 HP Acadia engine in it.  This past
>> weekend we finally got a chance to put it into the water.  It took a lot
>> of cranking and tuning but we finally got it running pretty good and we
>> had a lot of fun putting around the lake. Here is a video of "Putt Putt"
>> If you want to see the engine skip to the last quarter of the video. If
>> anyone know anything about the history of this boat or has any suggestions
>> please let me know. We still need to get the starting process figured out.
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P92z1LhyA-o
>> Keith
>> www.herculesengines.com
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From frappi at wcoil.com  Mon Jul 15 21:31:03 2013
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 00:31:03 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Findlay Ohio Show  Ohio Built Engines.
In-Reply-To: <4DEF3165-10F2-438B-9CEB-DB8226D10C0D@me.com>
References: <4DEF3165-10F2-438B-9CEB-DB8226D10C0D@me.com>
Message-ID: <20130716043056.13319AA8A@smtp.wcoil.com>



Hi All,
   We had the last board meeting of the year before Findlay show 
tonight. Northwest Ohio Antique Machinery Association.  Two weeks 
from tomorrow "Tuesday" we can start set up of displays.   This years 
feature is Ohio Built Engines. Official show dates August 1-4   We 
start marking out spaces Monday evening at 5 pm  and set up can start 
Tuesday noon.
  Hope to see a field full of engine displays!!

                      Maytag Mark







Mark Shulaw
454 County Road 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817
USA

Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home
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and Hercules Engines.
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socialism!    



From frappi at wcoil.com  Tue Jul 16 18:12:56 2013
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 21:12:56 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OFF TOPIC: Read at your own risk. Old Ford 5.8 liter 351
 Windsor Engine Problems
Message-ID: <20130717011243.5459AA919@smtp.wcoil.com>



Hi All, This is about a 94 Ford 5.8  351 Windsor. So delete now if 
your not interested. Fair Warning, LOL.
I need to talk to a good ford mechanic if we have any on the list. I 
need to run through some ideas. Its in the van I just got to replace 
the Hawkins Machine I lost in the wreck nearly three weeks ago. .
Its had all new plugs, rotor and cap, fuel filter and now I know its 
throwing a code 33 as I bought a code reader today for the old ones. 
OBD 1 . . Heres the rest.
   I knew this when I got it but Its got a bad stumble at all rpms. 
Idle, light acceleration and at speed. Seems to not stumble under 
hard acceleration. Goes pretty good. It is throwing a 33 EGR code. 
After several hours of cussing and misery in the sun and heat I 
checked out the EGR as best I could and finally tore it all out. One 
cuss of a job. Not an easy job considering where its buried.  All 
parts check out. I have 5 V power to the solenoid switch on, 
Continuity of the solenoid windings. No vacuum at idle.    The EGR 
valve itself works as it should but I have an egr code and the 
stumbling. Maybe the two are not related? In either case its throwing 
a 33.  I am starting to think I might have a bad computer. So if 
anyone is very familiar with these beasts please help. At least just 
running through some ideas. I am going back out now to reassemble.
If I could just get the stumble to go away I would not give a hoot 
about the 33 .  Will try to check the timing chain tomorrow.
      Maytag Mark        419.516.2996







Mark Shulaw
454 County Road 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817
USA

Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home
Hobby Collector and Dealer in John Deere
and Hercules Engines.
Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com

CAPITALISM Is the backbone of America and Freedom, Not Government or 
socialism!    



From jbcast at charter.net  Tue Jul 16 19:26:16 2013
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 22:26:16 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] OFF TOPIC: Read at your own risk. Old Ford 5.8 liter 351
 Windsor Engine Problems
Message-ID: <702b9012.3e22d8.13fea730d68.Webtop.49@charter.net>

Mark, check ignition timing, probably should be 10 degrees with the 
"spout" disconected, the spout is spark out, a wire, usualy near the 
distributor, some are an inline connector, some have a gray plastic 
shunt that you pull, brings it down to base timing. The 5 volts is on 
the egr sensor, not the solenoid, it's on top of the egr valve. Three 
wires, one should be 5 volts, one ground, the other is signal return, I 
believe .5 volts on this one, some of the early ones were 1 volt. If the 
voltage is high, you can grind a little off of the punger to lower it, 
if it's low I squeeze the very tip of the plunger in the vise to make it 
longer. The EGR valves build up carbon on the seat, lifting it and 
showing high voltage when it should be seeing closed voltage, it will 
set a code, usually won't affect running much. Map sensors are critical 
on these, you need a hertz meter to check it, I have one on my Fluke, 
it's been a long time since I checked one, seems like 159 to 160 here, 
were just a few feet above sea level, there are charts that will give 
the specs for the baro reading. Be sure the vacuum hose ot it is open, 
if it's colapsed or clogged it will stumble because the sensor isn't 
reading vacuum drop quick enough, if you can find a sensor it's easy 
enough to just try one. Fuel pressure, guessing 34 psi on this one, I 
can look it up tomorrow. Try unplugging the O2 sensor, see if ti runs 
better that way. If I think of anything else I will let you know.
J.B. Castagnos



Jul 16, 2013 at 8:12 PM, Mark Shulaw wrote:

> Hi All, This is about a 94 Ford 5.8  351 Windsor. So delete now if 
> your not interested. Fair Warning, LOL.
> I need to talk to a good ford mechanic if we have any on the list. I 
> need to run through some ideas. Its in the van I just got to replace 
> the Hawkins Machine I lost in the wreck nearly three weeks ago. .
> Its had all new plugs, rotor and cap, fuel filter and now I know its 
> throwing a code 33 as I bought a code reader today for the old ones. 
> OBD 1 . . Heres the rest.
>    I knew this when I got it but Its got a bad stumble at all rpms. 
> Idle, light acceleration and at speed. Seems to not stumble under hard 
> acceleration. Goes pretty good. It is throwing a 33 EGR code. After 
> several hours of cussing and misery in the sun and heat I checked out 
> the EGR as best I could and finally tore it all out. One cuss of a 
> job. Not an easy job considering where its buried.  All parts check 
> out. I have 5 V power to the solenoid switch on, Continuity of the 
> solenoid windings. No vacuum at idle.    The EGR valve itself works as 
> it should but I have an egr code and the stumbling. Maybe the two are 
> not related? In either case its throwing a 33.  I am starting to think 
> I might have a bad computer. So if anyone is very familiar with these 
> beasts please help. At least just running through some ideas. I am 
> going back out now to reassemble.
> If I could just get the stumble to go away I would not give a hoot 
> about the 33 .  Will try to check the timing chain tomorrow.
>       Maytag Mark        419.516.2996
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Mark Shulaw
> 454 County Road 33
> Bluffton, OH. 45817
> USA
>
> Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home
> Hobby Collector and Dealer in John Deere
> and Hercules Engines.
> Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
> VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com
>
> CAPITALISM Is the backbone of America and Freedom, Not Government or 
> socialism!
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From enginepaul at gmail.com  Wed Jul 17 01:52:36 2013
From: enginepaul at gmail.com (STRAIGHT from SanFran)
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 01:52:36 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OFF TOPIC: Read at your own risk. Old Ford 5.8 liter 351
 Windsor Engine Problems
In-Reply-To: <20130717011243.5459AA919@smtp.wcoil.com>
References: <20130717011243.5459AA919@smtp.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <CAMuKiUBrAcBPHt_dbUBFv2+BYeFw4BC=F8MzBK7VTbuiAg8L-w@mail.gmail.com>

I'll have to do some digging for my copy, but Ford put out a bulletin
saying to ignore the 33 code if all else checks out in the system. The
stumbling means something is wrong, but probably not in the EGR valve. If
you hold a steady RPM of about 1500+, the valve should open - that's just a
'guess test"

My first guess is one of the hard vacuum lines has developed a crack.
Unfortunately, the process of doing a through  check requires a manual and
can't be summarized in an e-mail.
ALSO - do an engine running code check, something may come up there.

Paul - 300,000+ on a Ranger


On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 6:12 PM, Mark Shulaw <frappi at wcoil.com> wrote:

>
>
> Hi All, This is about a 94 Ford 5.8  351 Windsor. So delete now if
> your not interested. Fair Warning, LOL.
> I need to talk to a good ford mechanic if we have any on the list. I
> need to run through some ideas. Its in the van I just got to replace
> the Hawkins Machine I lost in the wreck nearly three weeks ago. .
> Its had all new plugs, rotor and cap, fuel filter and now I know its
> throwing a code 33 as I bought a code reader today for the old ones.
> OBD 1 . . Heres the rest.
>    I knew this when I got it but Its got a bad stumble at all rpms.
> Idle, light acceleration and at speed. Seems to not stumble under
> hard acceleration. Goes pretty good. It is throwing a 33 EGR code.
> After several hours of cussing and misery in the sun and heat I
> checked out the EGR as best I could and finally tore it all out. One
> cuss of a job. Not an easy job considering where its buried.  All
> parts check out. I have 5 V power to the solenoid switch on,
> Continuity of the solenoid windings. No vacuum at idle.    The EGR
> valve itself works as it should but I have an egr code and the
> stumbling. Maybe the two are not related? In either case its throwing
> a 33.  I am starting to think I might have a bad computer. So if
> anyone is very familiar with these beasts please help. At least just
> running through some ideas. I am going back out now to reassemble.
> If I could just get the stumble to go away I would not give a hoot
> about the 33 .  Will try to check the timing chain tomorrow.
>       Maytag Mark        419.516.2996
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Mark Shulaw
> 454 County Road 33
> Bluffton, OH. 45817
> USA
>
> Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home
> Hobby Collector and Dealer in John Deere
> and Hercules Engines.
> Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
> VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com
>
> CAPITALISM Is the backbone of America and Freedom, Not Government or
> socialism!
>
> _______________________________________________
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From swilliams268 at frontier.com  Wed Jul 17 07:32:53 2013
From: swilliams268 at frontier.com (Steve W.)
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 10:32:53 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OFF TOPIC: Read at your own risk. Old Ford 5.8 liter 351
 Windsor Engine Problems
In-Reply-To: <CAMuKiUBrAcBPHt_dbUBFv2+BYeFw4BC=F8MzBK7VTbuiAg8L-w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20130717011243.5459AA919@smtp.wcoil.com>
	<CAMuKiUBrAcBPHt_dbUBFv2+BYeFw4BC=F8MzBK7VTbuiAg8L-w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <51E6AB15.2090805@frontier.com>

STRAIGHT from SanFran wrote:
> I'll have to do some digging for my copy, but Ford put out a bulletin
> saying to ignore the 33 code if all else checks out in the system. The
> stumbling means something is wrong, but probably not in the EGR valve. If
> you hold a steady RPM of about 1500+, the valve should open - that's just a
> 'guess test"
> 
> My first guess is one of the hard vacuum lines has developed a crack.
> Unfortunately, the process of doing a through  check requires a manual and
> can't be summarized in an e-mail.
> ALSO - do an engine running code check, something may come up there.
> 
> Paul - 300,000+ on a Ranger
> 

Easy way to check for vac leaks is to run an unlit propane torch along 
the lines and listen for the engine to speed up.

Didn't the 351W have a problem wit sloppy timing chains? I seem to 
remember there was something in one of the trades about chain stretch 
causing timing shift.

-- 
Steve W.


From frappi at wcoil.com  Wed Jul 17 22:42:50 2013
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2013 01:42:50 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OFF TOPIC: Read at your own risk. Old Ford 5.8 liter 351
 Windsor Engine Problems
In-Reply-To: <51E6AB15.2090805@frontier.com>
References: <20130717011243.5459AA919@smtp.wcoil.com>
	<CAMuKiUBrAcBPHt_dbUBFv2+BYeFw4BC=F8MzBK7VTbuiAg8L-w@mail.gmail.com>
	<51E6AB15.2090805@frontier.com>
Message-ID: <20130718054252.D02DFAA5A@smtp.wcoil.com>

I am still new to the OBD 1 tester. Still trying to understand the 
procedure of the running test. I suck at understanding written 
instruction but I can catch demonstration instantly. The problem with 
written instruction is its written by people intimately familiar with 
the procedure so important minor details get glossed over. But I will 
try to do it tomorrow. I do remember Ford is great for using the 
fiber or plastic timing gear and it likes to wear along with chain 
stretch. I plan to do a chain and gear set on it as soon as I get the 
other problems ironed out.
  I am going to investigate the EGR solenoid tomorrow. It may have a 
leak. If the EGR is not opening due to not enough vacuum from the 
solenoid at higher rpm the timing is then wrong for the resulting mix 
of combustion gas. This could create the P I Ping I am hearing under 
acceleration.  If the solenoid is leaking it would also explain the 
stumble. Will have to check it out.  My poor old 93 had 260K on it 
and running strong. I had planned to take it to at least 300. But the 
inner body was getting really rough.            Thanks,      Mark


At 10:32 AM 7/17/2013, you wrote:
>STRAIGHT from SanFran wrote:
> > I'll have to do some digging for my copy, but Ford put out a bulletin
> > saying to ignore the 33 code if all else checks out in the system. The
> > stumbling means something is wrong, but probably not in the EGR valve. If
> > you hold a steady RPM of about 1500+, the valve should open - that's just a
> > 'guess test"
> >
> > My first guess is one of the hard vacuum lines has developed a crack.
> > Unfortunately, the process of doing a through  check requires a manual and
> > can't be summarized in an e-mail.
> > ALSO - do an engine running code check, something may come up there.
> >
> > Paul - 300,000+ on a Ranger
> >
>
>Easy way to check for vac leaks is to run an unlit propane torch along
>the lines and listen for the engine to speed up.
>
>Didn't the 351W have a problem wit sloppy timing chains? I seem to
>remember there was something in one of the trades about chain stretch
>causing timing shift.
>--
>Steve W.


Mark Shulaw
454 County Road 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817
USA

Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home
Hobby Collector and Dealer in John Deere
and Hercules Engines.
Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com

CAPITALISM Is the backbone of America and Freedom, Not Government or 
socialism!    



From frappi at wcoil.com  Tue Jul 23 22:03:05 2013
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2013 01:03:05 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OFF TOPIC: THANK YOU Read at your own risk. Old Ford 5.8
 liter 351 Windsor Engine Problems
Message-ID: <20130724050304.68C62AA2F@smtp.wcoil.com>

Hi All, The diagnosis is in. The final solution was the PCM ( 
Powertrain Control Module ) was at fault. A capacitor was bad on the 
board. I repaired the board with a new capacitor of the correct 
rating and reinstalled  the computer to find a great running engine. 
No more stalling bucking stumbling or spark knock. The only absolute 
problems was the fuel filter and the computer. You can see the repair 
at my face book.   Thank You to all who replied!!   The support of 
the list is great.    Mark

>Hi All, This is about a 94 Ford 5.8  351 Windsor. So delete now if 
>your not interested. Fair Warning, LOL.
>I need to talk to a good ford mechanic if we have any on the list. I 
>need to run through some ideas. Its in the van I just got to replace 
>the Hawkins Machine I lost in the wreck nearly three weeks ago. .
>Its had all new plugs, rotor and cap, fuel filter and now I know its 
>throwing a code 33 as I bought a code reader today for the old ones. 
>OBD 1 . . Heres the rest.
>   I knew this when I got it but Its got a bad stumble at all rpms. 
> Idle, light acceleration and at speed. Seems to not stumble under 
> hard acceleration. Goes pretty good. It is throwing a 33 EGR code. 
> After several hours of cussing and misery in the sun and heat I 
> checked out the EGR as best I could and finally tore it all out. 
> One cuss of a job. Not an easy job considering where its 
> buried.  All parts check out. I have 5 V power to the solenoid 
> switch on, Continuity of the solenoid windings. No vacuum at 
> idle.    The EGR valve itself works as it should but I have an egr 
> code and the stumbling. Maybe the two are not related? In either 
> case its throwing a 33.  I am starting to think I might have a bad 
> computer. So if anyone is very familiar with these beasts please 
> help. At least just running through some ideas. I am going back out 
> now to reassemble.
>If I could just get the stumble to go away I would not give a hoot 
>about the 33 .  Will try to check the timing chain tomorrow.
>      Maytag Mark        419.516.2996




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USA

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From rotigel at me.com  Sat Jul 27 18:16:28 2013
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2013 21:16:28 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fwd: How to start a crop duster..
References: <040E87B0-A826-4A3C-8FE2-8DCDFA6A97BD@me.com>
Message-ID: <925B0515-30F3-4334-878E-842B11345D5C@me.com>

> 
> Would this work on big oilfield engines?
> 	Dave
> 
> 
>>  
>>  
>>   One for the books
>> How to start a crop duster if the battery is dead..... 
>> 
>> https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=401176083333530&set=vb.291480754303064&type=2&theater
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From don.h at wcoil.com  Sat Jul 27 18:53:32 2013
From: don.h at wcoil.com (Don)
Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2013 21:53:32 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fwd: How to start a crop duster..
In-Reply-To: <925B0515-30F3-4334-878E-842B11345D5C@me.com>
References: <040E87B0-A826-4A3C-8FE2-8DCDFA6A97BD@me.com>
	<925B0515-30F3-4334-878E-842B11345D5C@me.com>
Message-ID: <B600B04E859A458C91F168AF87585226@DonPC>

Don?t know why it wouldn,t


-----Original Message----- 
From: David Rotigel
Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 9:16 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: [SEL] Fwd: How to start a crop duster..

>
> Would this work on big oilfield engines?
> Dave
>
>
>>
>>
>>   One for the books
>> How to start a crop duster if the battery is dead.....
>>
>> https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=401176083333530&set=vb.291480754303064&type=2&theater
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From rotigel at me.com  Sat Jul 27 19:54:16 2013
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2013 22:54:16 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fwd: How to start a crop duster..
In-Reply-To: <B600B04E859A458C91F168AF87585226@DonPC>
References: <040E87B0-A826-4A3C-8FE2-8DCDFA6A97BD@me.com>
	<925B0515-30F3-4334-878E-842B11345D5C@me.com>
	<B600B04E859A458C91F168AF87585226@DonPC>
Message-ID: <D8122791-5B11-4764-AAAD-C7E6096E8DDC@me.com>

Hi Don, Will you be at Portland? Do you have a truck?
	Dave

On Jul 27, 2013, at 9:53 PM, Don <don.h at wcoil.com> wrote:

> Don?t know why it wouldn,t
> 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: David Rotigel
> Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 9:16 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: [SEL] Fwd: How to start a crop duster..
> 
>> 
>> Would this work on big oilfield engines?
>> Dave
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  One for the books
>>> How to start a crop duster if the battery is dead.....
>>> 
>>> https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=401176083333530&set=vb.291480754303064&type=2&theater
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From ozengine at iinet.net.au  Sun Jul 28 01:52:52 2013
From: ozengine at iinet.net.au (Kerry)
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2013 18:52:52 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Fwd: How to start a crop duster..
In-Reply-To: <925B0515-30F3-4334-878E-842B11345D5C@me.com>
References: <040E87B0-A826-4A3C-8FE2-8DCDFA6A97BD@me.com>
	<925B0515-30F3-4334-878E-842B11345D5C@me.com>
Message-ID: <51F4DBE4.5040809@iinet.net.au>

G'Day Dave
What's Facebook?

Kerry



On 28/07/2013 11:16 AM, David Rotigel wrote:
>> Would this work on big oilfield engines?
>> 	Dave
>>
>>
>>>   
>>>   
>>>    One for the books
>>> How to start a crop duster if the battery is dead.....
>>>
>>> https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=401176083333530&set=vb.291480754303064&type=2&theater
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From rotigel at me.com  Sun Jul 28 05:35:21 2013
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2013 08:35:21 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fwd: How to start a crop duster..
In-Reply-To: <51F4DBE4.5040809@iinet.net.au>
References: <040E87B0-A826-4A3C-8FE2-8DCDFA6A97BD@me.com>
	<925B0515-30F3-4334-878E-842B11345D5C@me.com>
	<51F4DBE4.5040809@iinet.net.au>
Message-ID: <429E5884-F174-4C79-9970-D6FB4D68FA2C@me.com>

I have no idea Kerry. Did they make an oilfield engine?
	Dave

On Jul 28, 2013, at 4:52 AM, Kerry <ozengine at iinet.net.au> wrote:

> G'Day Dave
> What's Facebook?
> 
> Kerry
> 
> 
> 
> On 28/07/2013 11:16 AM, David Rotigel wrote:
>>> Would this work on big oilfield engines?
>>> 	Dave
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>   One for the books
>>>> How to start a crop duster if the battery is dead.....
>>>> 
>>>> https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=401176083333530&set=vb.291480754303064&type=2&theater
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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From rotigel at me.com  Sun Jul 28 13:50:23 2013
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2013 16:50:23 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Findlay Show
Message-ID: <90E19656-5C02-4362-ACE8-20B43FDBFD80@me.com>

GREAT weather for a GREAT show! See: http://www.weather.com/weather/tenday/Findlay+OH+USOH0311:1:US

From jnyost at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 29 08:25:08 2013
From: jnyost at yahoo.com (Jim Yost)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 11:25:08 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Findlay Show
In-Reply-To: <90E19656-5C02-4362-ACE8-20B43FDBFD80@me.com>
References: <90E19656-5C02-4362-ACE8-20B43FDBFD80@me.com>
Message-ID: <C0606736-3E9F-44E7-8F02-A270789B7F49@yahoo.com>

Amen to that! C u there

Sent from my iPhone


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From jbcast at charter.net  Mon Jul 29 19:00:52 2013
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 22:00:52 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Engine transport
Message-ID: <606df0fb.a3b15c.1402d4e7967.Webtop.46@charter.net>


Anyone headed from California to Portland? I have a small engine that 
needs to be moved.
J.B. Castagnos


From cgandree at mchsi.com  Mon Jul  1 05:42:45 2013
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2013 07:42:45 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [SEL] Legal Ownership
In-Reply-To: <1273350732.5662321372682203721.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>
Message-ID: <523505831.5662681372682565899.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>

Need some words of wisdom on ownership from the group.
Several months ago I sold a 9N Ford Tractor with some accessories to
a guy. He paid cash the day of the sale and agreed to come back for the
bucket/loader & two bottome plow.  To date he has not made any attempt to
return nor contact me as promised. Have left several messages on his voice mail but not heard back. Also when I wrote him the receipt of the purchase I included his address of which I stopped by same the other day and discovered by the current person residing that no one knew of him. So now I have no way to find out where he lives to send him notice.
My question is is there a legal period of time on who owns the accesories? I had heard after some period of time the ownership goes back to the seller if items are not claimed by the buyer.
Thank you in advance.
Curt Andree


From jlb94 at juno.com  Mon Jul  1 08:14:50 2013
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2013 15:14:50 GMT
Subject: [SEL] Legal Ownership
Message-ID: <20130701.111450.5156.2@webmail03.vgs.untd.com>

Hi Curt,
If this guy moved - - Surely there must be a record with the state/city court house or Post Office as to where he went.
90 days is probably the LEGAL amount of time that you should wait.
If it were me, I'd give him a year.



Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-,     If there are no dogs in heaven,
 \/)"(\/     when I die I want to go where they went.
 (_0_)                 "In memory of Bre-Dog"  
                                                          

                                



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From: cgandree at mchsi.com
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Subject: [SEL] Legal Ownership
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2013 07:42:45 -0500 (CDT)

Need some words of wisdom on ownership from the group.
Several months ago I sold a 9N Ford Tractor with some accessories to
a guy. He paid cash the day of the sale and agreed to come back for the
bucket/loader & two bottome plow.  To date he has not made any attempt to
return nor contact me as promised. Have left several messages on his voice mail but not heard back. Also when I wrote him the receipt of the purchase I included his address of which I stopped by same the other day and discovered by the current person residing that no one knew of him. So now I have no way to find out where he lives to send him notice.
My question is is there a legal period of time on who owns the accesories? I had heard after some period of time the ownership goes back to the seller if items are not claimed by the buyer.
Thank you in advance.
Curt Andree
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From rob at rustyiron.com  Mon Jul  1 09:35:07 2013
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2013 09:35:07 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Legal Ownership
In-Reply-To: <523505831.5662681372682565899.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>
References: <523505831.5662681372682565899.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>
Message-ID: <9BFD62D5-C32E-42D5-B2E4-4A5FB408ACF6@rustyiron.com>


On Jul 1, 2013, at 5:42 AM, cgandree at mchsi.com wrote:

> Need some words of wisdom on ownership from the group.
> Several months ago I sold a 9N Ford Tractor with some accessories to
> a guy. 

The guy is now imposing upon you. He?s taking up your valuable space, he?s taking up your valuable time, and he?s making you do the legwork of tracking him down. Sometimes it?s hard to know when you?ve stopped being a gentleman and have become a doormat. Once you figure out where that fine line is, you?ll know it?s ok to get his junk out of your garage. If you feel bad about selling it twice, give it away to a school or church or anyone with a truck who will haul it away. 

If you want to give have one last shot at tracking him down, try zabasearch.com or pipl.com. 
 
 



From swilliams268 at frontier.com  Mon Jul  1 13:27:47 2013
From: swilliams268 at frontier.com (Steve W.)
Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2013 16:27:47 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Legal Ownership
In-Reply-To: <523505831.5662681372682565899.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>
References: <523505831.5662681372682565899.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>
Message-ID: <51D1E643.5040909@frontier.com>

cgandree at mchsi.com wrote:
> Need some words of wisdom on ownership from the group. Several months
> ago I sold a 9N Ford Tractor with some accessories to a guy. He paid
> cash the day of the sale and agreed to come back for the 
> bucket/loader & two bottome plow.  To date he has not made any
> attempt to return nor contact me as promised. Have left several
> messages on his voice mail but not heard back. Also when I wrote him
> the receipt of the purchase I included his address of which I stopped
> by same the other day and discovered by the current person residing
> that no one knew of him. So now I have no way to find out where he
> lives to send him notice. My question is is there a legal period of
> time on who owns the accesories? I had heard after some period of
> time the ownership goes back to the seller if items are not claimed
> by the buyer. Thank you in advance. Curt Andree 

Well there are two methods. One do the leg work yourself and try to find 
the guy.

OR - Send a registered letter to the address. When/If it comes back as 
non-deliverable then contact your local police department and explain 
the situation and ask if they can trace him in regards to abandoned 
property.

The clock starts ticking when you send the letter. Then the limit 
depends on your area but it usually ranges from 60-90 days.


-- 
Steve W.


From George.Best at adp.com  Mon Jul  1 14:20:29 2013
From: George.Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2013 21:20:29 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Legal Ownership
In-Reply-To: <51D1E643.5040909@frontier.com>
References: <523505831.5662681372682565899.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>
	<51D1E643.5040909@frontier.com>
Message-ID: <8ED2A37CFAC7D942985D084BE657345535D75AA9@DSXMBX3HE.ds.ad.adp.com>

Curt,

My first thought was that it was possible you had the address recorded wrong.
If the transaction was a few months ago and the person living at that address doesn't know that person, then my first question would have been how long has the current person lived there.
If they moved in after your transaction it would be possible that address is correct and the buyer has moved, otherwise it would indicate the address was incorrect.

If you have a working phone number for the person, I'd keep calling it at different times and days until someone answers.

If space is not a concern, I'd personally hold the items for a year before attempted to dispose of them to someone else.

Just my 2cents

George






-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Steve W.
Sent: Monday, July 01, 2013 1:28 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Legal Ownership

cgandree at mchsi.com wrote:
> Need some words of wisdom on ownership from the group. Several months 
> ago I sold a 9N Ford Tractor with some accessories to a guy. He paid 
> cash the day of the sale and agreed to come back for the bucket/loader 
> & two bottome plow.  To date he has not made any attempt to return nor 
> contact me as promised. Have left several messages on his voice mail 
> but not heard back. Also when I wrote him the receipt of the purchase 
> I included his address of which I stopped by same the other day and 
> discovered by the current person residing that no one knew of him. So 
> now I have no way to find out where he lives to send him notice. My 
> question is is there a legal period of time on who owns the 
> accesories? I had heard after some period of time the ownership goes 
> back to the seller if items are not claimed by the buyer. Thank you in 
> advance. Curt Andree

Well there are two methods. One do the leg work yourself and try to find the guy.

OR - Send a registered letter to the address. When/If it comes back as non-deliverable then contact your local police department and explain the situation and ask if they can trace him in regards to abandoned property.

The clock starts ticking when you send the letter. Then the limit depends on your area but it usually ranges from 60-90 days.


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From rotigel at me.com  Mon Jul  1 18:24:03 2013
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2013 21:24:03 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Legal Ownership
In-Reply-To: <523505831.5662681372682565899.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>
References: <523505831.5662681372682565899.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>
Message-ID: <B920CCE6-3FF5-4916-B75F-E960ECFAA7B6@me.com>

Hi Curt, 
	You asked for legal advice and so far all you have gotten (from what I can see) is opinion and moral advice. While worthwhile, it's NOT what you asked for! The answer to your question is that the time period varies from state to state. Further, in some states, it varies dependent upon the value (or the amt. paid for) of the item. Only someone knowledge of the law in your state (and the state of the buyer) can give you a reasoned opinion in answer to your question!
	Dave
PS, On a happier note: If he has no record of the sale (i.e. a receipt, etc) and if you are willing to lie under oath, you are free to do as you wish!
PPS, The fact that the government now has a record of the sale (proven by your first post) may cause you to reconsider my first "PS".

On Jul 1, 2013, at 8:42 AM, cgandree at mchsi.com wrote:

> Need some words of wisdom on ownership from the group.
> Several months ago I sold a 9N Ford Tractor with some accessories to
> a guy. He paid cash the day of the sale and agreed to come back for the
> bucket/loader & two bottome plow.  To date he has not made any attempt to
> return nor contact me as promised. Have left several messages on his voice mail but not heard back. Also when I wrote him the receipt of the purchase I included his address of which I stopped by same the other day and discovered by the current person residing that no one knew of him. So now I have no way to find out where he lives to send him notice.
> My question is is there a legal period of time on who owns the accesories? I had heard after some period of time the ownership goes back to the seller if items are not claimed by the buyer.
> Thank you in advance.
> Curt Andree
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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Tue Jul  2 03:26:54 2013
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2013 05:26:54 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [SEL] Legal Ownership undate
In-Reply-To: <1552886149.5793691372760756715.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>
Message-ID: <1522344000.5793721372760814110.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>

Yesterday I was able to make contact with the guys brother whom after a few minutes of talk realized we knew each other through the local antique engine club. He then told me that his brother had a lifetime issue of mental illness and been in and out of various mental hospitals and the family had pretty much disowned him.
The guy had payed him a visit about a month before he bought the tractor asking to borrow money but was refused and started to bad mouth him and his wife so through him off his property. He did suggest that I call there sister and maybe she would know where he was so did.  She told me that he had showed up at there farm just prior to him paying me for the tractor to ask if he could store the tractor there but her husband refused and he cussed them out and left. She had heard he was living at a cheap motel in a town 20 miles away and heard the tractor was being stored by the owner of the resturant next door. I dicided to drive over and look for him. Got there about lunch time and stopped at the resturant because I knew the owner well and discussed the issue while eating lunch. The owner said he did have the tractor in one of his building nearby but the guy was not paying the storage charges so thought he would try to reposes it for the past rent due. After lunch I went over to the motel and talked to the lady who owned it. She asked how well I knew him so explained the sale of the tractor and what the family had told me about his condition. She warned me that she had given him notice last week to pack up and move because him going of the wall disturbing other motel quests plus not paying his rent. Also she advised that it might not be a good idea to call on him today as he had had another blow up runing in out of his room yelling and cussing earlier. Her suggestion was to stop and get advice from the local police chief whom I knew. I told her that I might send him a letter about retrieving the accessories but she said since he was expected to leave in two days it more then likely would be returned.  I know this is long story but it is kind of a engine related problem and thought maybe someone else had experienced something similiar.  Thanks for listening and will keep all posted.
Curt Andree



From jlb94 at juno.com  Tue Jul  2 06:42:35 2013
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2013 13:42:35 GMT
Subject: [SEL] Legal Ownership undate
Message-ID: <20130702.094235.463.0@webmail10.vgs.untd.com>

Hi Curt,
I thought things like this only happen to me !!!   I once had an accident where a kid hit my truck and pulled the front fender away from the wheel.  He didn't want his parents to know and he swore he would pay me for the damage.  After several tries to contact him, I learned that the whole family knew about it and they ALL were protecting him.  I finally had the STATE take his license plate off his car.  Then the family owed up and paid the damage.
Good Luck !!! 



Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-,     If there are no dogs in heaven,
 \/)"(\/     when I die I want to go where they went.
 (_0_)                 "In memory of Bre-Dog"  
                                                          

                                



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From: cgandree at mchsi.com
To: SEL Lists <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>,        Old eng list <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Subject: [SEL] Legal Ownership undate
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2013 05:26:54 -0500 (CDT)

Yesterday I was able to make contact with the guys brother whom after a few minutes of talk realized we knew each other through the local antique engine club. He then told me that his brother had a lifetime issue of mental illness and been in and out of various mental hospitals and the family had pretty much disowned him.
The guy had payed him a visit about a month before he bought the tractor asking to borrow money but was refused and started to bad mouth him and his wife so through him off his property. He did suggest that I call there sister and maybe she would know where he was so did.  She told me that he had showed up at there farm just prior to him paying me for the tractor to ask if he could store the tractor there but her husband refused and he cussed them out and left. She had heard he was living at a cheap motel in a town 20 miles away and heard the tractor was being stored by the owner of the resturant next door. I dicided to drive over and look for him. Got there about lunch time and stopped at the resturant because I knew the owner well and discussed the issue while eating lunch. The owner said he did have the tractor in one of his building nearby but the guy was not paying the storage charges so thought he would try to reposes it for the past rent due. After lunch I went over t!
o the motel and talked to the lady who owned it. She asked how well I knew him so explained the sale of the tractor and what the family had told me about his condition. She warned me that she had given him notice last week to pack up and move because him going of the wall disturbing other motel quests plus not paying his rent. Also she advised that it might not be a good idea to call on him today as he had had another blow up runing in out of his room yelling and cussing earlier. Her suggestion was to stop and get advice from the local police chief whom I knew. I told her that I might send him a letter about retrieving the accessories but she said since he was expected to leave in two days it more then likely would be returned.  I know this is long story but it is kind of a engine related problem and thought maybe someone else had experienced something similiar.  Thanks for listening and will keep all posted.
Curt Andree

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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Sun Jul  7 05:44:06 2013
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2013 07:44:06 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [SEL] Fuller & Johnson help needed
Message-ID: <791974606.6264071373201046006.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>

I have finally brought out one of my back burner restoration projects a little Fuller & Johnson engine that I bought at an estate sale some 15yrs ago. Believe it to be a model N, 1 1/2hp. This previous owner had completely torn down the engine and was planning to restore and get running so
all the parts were still there.  It also has both the ignitor asy as well as the spark plug asy so
its possible to run it either way.  I am chosing the ignitor method.  When sorting through all the parts yesterday discovered that the ID serial plate was missing off the hopper, just the two brass screws were there. I can't remember if I bought it that way or have missplaced the tag. My help question is does anyone know where the serial number might be stamped if at all?  I have pretty much wire wheeled all the of the engine and checked the most likely places like water hopper, flywheels, end of the crank shafts and flat areas just forward the crank shaft.  Also who might have repro tags?
thank you in advance,
Curt Andree


From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com  Sun Jul  7 06:29:12 2013
From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle)
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2013 08:29:12 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fuller & Johnson help needed
In-Reply-To: <791974606.6264071373201046006.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>
References: <791974606.6264071373201046006.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>
Message-ID: <4D26A512-4967-46CF-80C7-67156F8F0DC7@yahoo.com>

Verne Kindschi used to have plates. If he doesn't have them anymore, he most likely knows who does.
Joe

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 7, 2013, at 7:44 AM, cgandree at mchsi.com wrote:

> I have finally brought out one of my back burner restoration projects a little Fuller & Johnson engine that I bought at an estate sale some 15yrs ago. Believe it to be a model N, 1 1/2hp. This previous owner had completely torn down the engine and was planning to restore and get running so
> all the parts were still there.  It also has both the ignitor asy as well as the spark plug asy so
> its possible to run it either way.  I am chosing the ignitor method.  When sorting through all the parts yesterday discovered that the ID serial plate was missing off the hopper, just the two brass screws were there. I can't remember if I bought it that way or have missplaced the tag. My help question is does anyone know where the serial number might be stamped if at all?  I have pretty much wire wheeled all the of the engine and checked the most likely places like water hopper, flywheels, end of the crank shafts and flat areas just forward the crank shaft.  Also who might have repro tags?
> thank you in advance,
> Curt Andree
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From Vivas1993 at aol.com  Sun Jul  7 06:41:19 2013
From: Vivas1993 at aol.com (Vivas1993 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2013 09:41:19 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Fuller & Johnson help needed
Message-ID: <11599e.332f371d.3f0ac9ff@aol.com>

Hey Curt,
Unless it's a very early engine, the numbers are only stamped on the  tag.
I've also got a couple of F&J engines that are missing their  tags.
 
Starbolt has the repo tags.
 
Dwight
 
 
In a message dated 7/7/2013 8:47:39 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
cgandree at mchsi.com writes:

I have  finally brought out one of my back burner restoration projects a 
little Fuller  & Johnson engine that I bought at an estate sale some 15yrs 
ago. Believe  it to be a model N, 1 1/2hp. This previous owner had completely 
torn down the  engine and was planning to restore and get running so
all the parts were  still there.  It also has both the ignitor asy as well 
as the spark plug  asy so
its possible to run it either way.  I am chosing the ignitor  method.  When 
sorting through all the parts yesterday discovered that the  ID serial 
plate was missing off the hopper, just the two brass screws were  there. I can't 
remember if I bought it that way or have missplaced the tag. My  help 
question is does anyone know where the serial number might be stamped if  at all? 
 I have pretty much wire wheeled all the of the engine and  checked the 
most likely places like water hopper, flywheels, end of the crank  shafts and 
flat areas just forward the crank shaft.  Also who might have  repro tags?
thank you in advance,
Curt  Andree
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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Sun Jul  7 07:39:08 2013
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2013 09:39:08 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [SEL] Fuller & Johnson help needed
In-Reply-To: <11599e.332f371d.3f0ac9ff@aol.com>
Message-ID: <1034164831.6269511373207948579.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>

Hey Dwight good hearing from you again and thanks for the info.
Curt
----- Original Message -----
From: Vivas1993 at aol.com
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Sent: Sunday, July 7, 2013 8:41:19 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fuller & Johnson help needed

Hey Curt,
Unless it's a very early engine, the numbers are only stamped on the  tag.
I've also got a couple of F&J engines that are missing their  tags.
 
Starbolt has the repo tags.
 
Dwight
 
 
In a message dated 7/7/2013 8:47:39 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
cgandree at mchsi.com writes:

I have  finally brought out one of my back burner restoration projects a 
little Fuller  & Johnson engine that I bought at an estate sale some 15yrs 
ago. Believe  it to be a model N, 1 1/2hp. This previous owner had completely 
torn down the  engine and was planning to restore and get running so
all the parts were  still there.  It also has both the ignitor asy as well 
as the spark plug  asy so
its possible to run it either way.  I am chosing the ignitor  method.  When 
sorting through all the parts yesterday discovered that the  ID serial 
plate was missing off the hopper, just the two brass screws were  there. I can't 
remember if I bought it that way or have missplaced the tag. My  help 
question is does anyone know where the serial number might be stamped if  at all? 
 I have pretty much wire wheeled all the of the engine and  checked the 
most likely places like water hopper, flywheels, end of the crank  shafts and 
flat areas just forward the crank shaft.  Also who might have  repro tags?
thank you in advance,
Curt  Andree
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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Sun Jul  7 07:40:13 2013
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2013 09:40:13 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [SEL] Fuller & Johnson help needed
In-Reply-To: <4D26A512-4967-46CF-80C7-67156F8F0DC7@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <57764030.6269651373208013708.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>

Thanks Joe hope to see you at the show.
Curt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Prindle" <joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 7, 2013 8:29:12 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fuller & Johnson help needed

Verne Kindschi used to have plates. If he doesn't have them anymore, he most likely knows who does.
Joe

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 7, 2013, at 7:44 AM, cgandree at mchsi.com wrote:

> I have finally brought out one of my back burner restoration projects a little Fuller & Johnson engine that I bought at an estate sale some 15yrs ago. Believe it to be a model N, 1 1/2hp. This previous owner had completely torn down the engine and was planning to restore and get running so
> all the parts were still there.  It also has both the ignitor asy as well as the spark plug asy so
> its possible to run it either way.  I am chosing the ignitor method.  When sorting through all the parts yesterday discovered that the ID serial plate was missing off the hopper, just the two brass screws were there. I can't remember if I bought it that way or have missplaced the tag. My help question is does anyone know where the serial number might be stamped if at all?  I have pretty much wire wheeled all the of the engine and checked the most likely places like water hopper, flywheels, end of the crank shafts and flat areas just forward the crank shaft.  Also who might have repro tags?
> thank you in advance,
> Curt Andree
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From rotigel at me.com  Wed Jul 10 17:39:08 2013
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2013 20:39:08 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Drag Saw Help Needed
Message-ID: <4DEF3165-10F2-438B-9CEB-DB8226D10C0D@me.com>

Hi All, 
	I'm trying to help out a fellow that I just met who has an early Ottawa Drag saw. It's a two flywheel saw with a Webster mag. My question (to start) is how does the clutch work on this saw? There is no clutch rod as there is on the later Ottawa saws. BUT it sure seems to me that the saw must have a clutch release of some kind. A similar saw can be seen at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-S0DaAXDziA
	Thanks, Dave


From rotigel at me.com  Thu Jul 11 19:04:58 2013
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2013 22:04:58 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Farmer's Welfare To Continue?
Message-ID: <42681156-89AE-4187-ABD6-CBEF9EF7672C@me.com>

See: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/07/11/house-republicans-drop-food-stamps-from-massive-farm-bill/

From wilson at stny.rr.com  Thu Jul 11 19:14:55 2013
From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson)
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2013 22:14:55 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Farmer's Welfare To Continue?
In-Reply-To: <42681156-89AE-4187-ABD6-CBEF9EF7672C@me.com>
References: <42681156-89AE-4187-ABD6-CBEF9EF7672C@me.com>
Message-ID: <BC004C38-D9C4-4CC0-9E08-A1C8ECB50999@stny.rr.com>

You can read anything you'd like to on Fox Entertainment!

Glenn Wilson
Endicott, NY
www.WilsonsWarbler.com

On Jul 11, 2013, at 10:04 PM, Dave Rotigel <rotigel at me.com> wrote:

See: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/07/11/house-republicans-drop-food-stamps-from-massive-farm-bill/
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From rotigel at me.com  Thu Jul 11 19:42:06 2013
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2013 22:42:06 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Farmer's Welfare To Continue?
In-Reply-To: <BC004C38-D9C4-4CC0-9E08-A1C8ECB50999@stny.rr.com>
References: <42681156-89AE-4187-ABD6-CBEF9EF7672C@me.com>
	<BC004C38-D9C4-4CC0-9E08-A1C8ECB50999@stny.rr.com>
Message-ID: <AC03AA62-3D75-4C71-AD29-16FE258B2F74@me.com>

What on earth do you mean by that Glenn? How does it relate, in any way, to what I posted?
	Dave

On Jul 11, 2013, at 10:14 PM, Glenn Wilson wrote:

> You can read anything you'd like to on Fox Entertainment!
> 
> Glenn Wilson
> Endicott, NY
> www.WilsonsWarbler.com
> 
> On Jul 11, 2013, at 10:04 PM, Dave Rotigel <rotigel at me.com> wrote:
> 
> See: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/07/11/house-republicans-drop-food-stamps-from-massive-farm-bill/



From bdb at mchsi.com  Thu Jul 11 21:06:44 2013
From: bdb at mchsi.com (Barry)
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2013 23:06:44 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Farmer's Welfare To Continue?
In-Reply-To: <AC03AA62-3D75-4C71-AD29-16FE258B2F74@me.com>
References: <42681156-89AE-4187-ABD6-CBEF9EF7672C@me.com><BC004C38-D9C4-4CC0-9E08-A1C8ECB50999@stny.rr.com>
	<AC03AA62-3D75-4C71-AD29-16FE258B2F74@me.com>
Message-ID: <DB9E6BF13EAA4F26B975147701636187@buffystoy>

I don't know about Glenn but I rather enjoyed that story!

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 9:42 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Farmer's Welfare To Continue?


> What on earth do you mean by that Glenn? How does it relate, in any way, 
> to what I posted?
> Dave
>
> On Jul 11, 2013, at 10:14 PM, Glenn Wilson wrote:
>
>> You can read anything you'd like to on Fox Entertainment!
>>
>> Glenn Wilson
>> Endicott, NY
>> www.WilsonsWarbler.com
>>
>> On Jul 11, 2013, at 10:04 PM, Dave Rotigel <rotigel at me.com> wrote:
>>
>> See: 
>> http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/07/11/house-republicans-drop-food-stamps-from-massive-farm-bill/
>
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From wilson at stny.rr.com  Thu Jul 11 22:22:20 2013
From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 01:22:20 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Farmer's Welfare To Continue?
In-Reply-To: <DB9E6BF13EAA4F26B975147701636187@buffystoy>
References: <42681156-89AE-4187-ABD6-CBEF9EF7672C@me.com>
	<BC004C38-D9C4-4CC0-9E08-A1C8ECB50999@stny.rr.com>
	<AC03AA62-3D75-4C71-AD29-16FE258B2F74@me.com>
	<DB9E6BF13EAA4F26B975147701636187@buffystoy>
Message-ID: <27963B58-DD49-425F-86D1-F00F86B1C386@stny.rr.com>

I guess I'll read the article then. Before I could hit the link I saw "foxnews" in the link and couldn't resist. 

Glenn Wilson
Endicott, NY
www.WilsonsWarbler.com

On Jul 12, 2013, at 12:06 AM, "Barry" <bdb at mchsi.com> wrote:

I don't know about Glenn but I rather enjoyed that story!

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 9:42 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Farmer's Welfare To Continue?


> What on earth do you mean by that Glenn? How does it relate, in any way, 
> to what I posted?
> Dave
> 
> On Jul 11, 2013, at 10:14 PM, Glenn Wilson wrote:
> 
>> You can read anything you'd like to on Fox Entertainment!
>> 
>> Glenn Wilson
>> Endicott, NY
>> www.WilsonsWarbler.com
>> 
>> On Jul 11, 2013, at 10:04 PM, Dave Rotigel <rotigel at me.com> wrote:
>> 
>> See: 
>> http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/07/11/house-republicans-drop-food-stamps-from-massive-farm-bill/
> 
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From k_armstrong1 at bigpond.com  Fri Jul 12 18:19:40 2013
From: k_armstrong1 at bigpond.com (k_armstrong1 at bigpond.com)
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2013 09:19:40 +0800
Subject: [SEL] crossley information
Message-ID: <F5AE0E4673CA45DB9FB13EDB31942015@userPC>

I have been trying to contact Kerry Morris re bellow,

hello Kerry,
I have contacted you before re my Crossley JJ engine, you sent me diagrams for the fuel / air housing you manufactured, could you please resend me the diagrams as my computer hard drive had to be replaced and i have lost a lot of information, I have got a housing from someone in Vic but now need to get it machined.
regards
Kevin Armstrong
k_armstrong1 at bigpond.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong/

From ozengine at iinet.net.au  Fri Jul 12 20:53:17 2013
From: ozengine at iinet.net.au (Kerry)
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2013 13:53:17 +1000
Subject: [SEL] crossley information
In-Reply-To: <F5AE0E4673CA45DB9FB13EDB31942015@userPC>
References: <F5AE0E4673CA45DB9FB13EDB31942015@userPC>
Message-ID: <EA7E2965FA964D1382C80B80106BF1D5@KerryPC>

You got me, away from home, will send info in a few days time.
New email address
ozengine at iinet.net.au

Kerry


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <k_armstrong1 at bigpond.com>
To: <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>; <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2013 11:19 AM
Subject: [SEL] crossley information


>I have been trying to contact Kerry Morris re bellow,
>
> hello Kerry,
> I have contacted you before re my Crossley JJ engine, you sent me diagrams 
> for the fuel / air housing you manufactured, could you please resend me 
> the diagrams as my computer hard drive had to be replaced and i have lost 
> a lot of information, I have got a housing from someone in Vic but now 
> need to get it machined.
> regards
> Kevin Armstrong
> k_armstrong1 at bigpond.com
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/armstrong/
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From kkinney at herculesengines.com  Fri Jul 12 21:29:17 2013
From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (kkinney at herculesengines.com)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 23:29:17 -0500
Subject: [SEL] 5 HP Acadia engine in Boat
In-Reply-To: <51BB9ABB.90307@eldensengines.com>
References: <51BB9ABB.90307@eldensengines.com>
Message-ID: <77D2F726-BA8C-4FBB-8CFE-7371EE6B2F3E@herculesengines.com>

Last fall we bought a boat the a 5 HP Acadia engine in it.  This past weekend we finally got a chance to put it into the water.  It took a lot of cranking and tuning but we finally got it running pretty good and we had a lot of fun putting around the lake. Here is a video of "Putt Putt" If you want to see the engine skip to the last quarter of the video. If anyone know anything about the history of this boat or has any suggestions please let me know. We still need to get the starting process figured out. 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P92z1LhyA-o
Keith
www.herculesengines.com


From jbcast at charter.net  Sat Jul 13 02:39:52 2013
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2013 05:39:52 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] 5 HP Acadia engine in Boat
Message-ID: <385d6fdc.9df44d.13fd7669734.Webtop.43@charter.net>

The boat looks good Keith, it moves along at a good clip with the 
Acadia. Are you controlling it with the throttle or do you use timing 
also?
J.B. Castagnos


On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 11:29 PM, kkinney at herculesengines.com wrote:

> Last fall we bought a boat the a 5 HP Acadia engine in it.  This past 
> weekend we finally got a chance to put it into the water.  It took a 
> lot of cranking and tuning but we finally got it running pretty good 
> and we had a lot of fun putting around the lake. Here is a video of 
> "Putt Putt" If you want to see the engine skip to the last quarter of 
> the video. If anyone know anything about the history of this boat or 
> has any suggestions please let me know. We still need to get the 
> starting process figured out. 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P92z1LhyA-o
> Keith
> www.herculesengines.com
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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Sat Jul 13 03:51:51 2013
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2013 05:51:51 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [SEL] Drag Saw Help Needed
In-Reply-To: <792863554.7048961373712492019.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>
Message-ID: <879425673.7048981373712711679.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>

Dave,
I used to have one of these "man killer" single flywheel saws, but sold it about ten years ago. I kept the the original manual and advertising booklets and it appears that the older models had the clutch built into the gear box and as soon as you lifted the saw assemble out of the cut log it shut the saw off. Unfortunately there are no clear pictures of your friends earlier model but discuses the improvements made on the newer ones like mine was. There was one on display a couple years ago at Baraboo like your friends. Maybe we could ask around in August to see who owns it.
Curt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Cc: "Diana Lundberg" <dkl2368 at yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2013 7:39:08 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: [SEL] Drag Saw Help Needed

Hi All, 
	I'm trying to help out a fellow that I just met who has an early Ottawa Drag saw. It's a two flywheel saw with a Webster mag. My question (to start) is how does the clutch work on this saw? There is no clutch rod as there is on the later Ottawa saws. BUT it sure seems to me that the saw must have a clutch release of some kind. A similar saw can be seen at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-S0DaAXDziA
	Thanks, Dave
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From dtallman at accnorwalk.com  Sat Jul 13 05:23:18 2013
From: dtallman at accnorwalk.com (Doug Tallman)
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2013 08:23:18 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Drag Saw Help Needed
In-Reply-To: <879425673.7048981373712711679.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>
References: <879425673.7048981373712711679.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>
Message-ID: <51E146B6.8010109@accnorwalk.com>


I've got one of the 2 flywheel Ottawa engines and I bought a parts unit 
for the saw. Near as I can tell, its just a spring loaded slipper clutch 
that would only work if the blade got bound. It didn't look like there 
was any provision to stop the saw. Doug T




cgandree at mchsi.com wrote:
> Dave,
> I used to have one of these "man killer" single flywheel saws, but sold it about ten years ago. I kept the the original manual and advertising booklets and it appears that the older models had the clutch built into the gear box and as soon as you lifted the saw assemble out of the cut log it shut the saw off. Unfortunately there are no clear pictures of your friends earlier model but discuses the improvements made on the newer ones like mine was. There was one on display a couple years ago at Baraboo like your friends. Maybe we could ask around in August to see who owns it.
> Curt
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Cc: "Diana Lundberg" <dkl2368 at yahoo.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2013 7:39:08 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
> Subject: [SEL] Drag Saw Help Needed
>
> Hi All, 
> 	I'm trying to help out a fellow that I just met who has an early Ottawa Drag saw. It's a two flywheel saw with a Webster mag. My question (to start) is how does the clutch work on this saw? There is no clutch rod as there is on the later Ottawa saws. BUT it sure seems to me that the saw must have a clutch release of some kind. A similar saw can be seen at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-S0DaAXDziA
> 	Thanks, Dave
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From rotigel at me.com  Sat Jul 13 05:23:46 2013
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2013 08:23:46 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Drag Saw Help Needed
In-Reply-To: <879425673.7048981373712711679.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>
References: <879425673.7048981373712711679.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>
Message-ID: <44BCBCAF-C8EF-42C9-A161-8928FCAE0960@me.com>

Hi Curt, Could you please duplicate the literature that you have and snail it to me? Let me know the cost and I'll even up in Baraboo. THANKS!
	Dave
PS, I'm at: 	Dave Rotigel
			208 Kennan Drive
			Greensburg, PA
			15601
PPS, Sure would be nice if the Ottawa you saw several years ago showed up again this year!


On Jul 13, 2013, at 6:51 AM, cgandree at mchsi.com wrote:

> Dave,
> I used to have one of these "man killer" single flywheel saws, but sold it about ten years ago. I kept the the original manual and advertising booklets and it appears that the older models had the clutch built into the gear box and as soon as you lifted the saw assemble out of the cut log it shut the saw off. Unfortunately there are no clear pictures of your friends earlier model but discuses the improvements made on the newer ones like mine was. There was one on display a couple years ago at Baraboo like your friends. Maybe we could ask around in August to see who owns it.
> Curt
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Cc: "Diana Lundberg" <dkl2368 at yahoo.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2013 7:39:08 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
> Subject: [SEL] Drag Saw Help Needed
> 
> Hi All, 
> 	I'm trying to help out a fellow that I just met who has an early Ottawa Drag saw. It's a two flywheel saw with a Webster mag. My question (to start) is how does the clutch work on this saw? There is no clutch rod as there is on the later Ottawa saws. BUT it sure seems to me that the saw must have a clutch release of some kind. A similar saw can be seen at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-S0DaAXDziA
> 	Thanks, Dave
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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Sat Jul 13 05:50:20 2013
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2013 07:50:20 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [SEL] Drag Saw Help Needed
In-Reply-To: <44BCBCAF-C8EF-42C9-A161-8928FCAE0960@me.com>
Message-ID: <1384173989.7053101373719820666.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>

Ok Dave, will work on a copy. Unfortunately the original is very poor quality and very light due to age I think. 
Curt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Cc: "Diana Lundberg" <dkl2368 at yahoo.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2013 7:23:46 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [SEL] Drag Saw Help Needed

Hi Curt, Could you please duplicate the literature that you have and snail it to me? Let me know the cost and I'll even up in Baraboo. THANKS!
	Dave
PS, I'm at: 	Dave Rotigel
			208 Kennan Drive
			Greensburg, PA
			15601
PPS, Sure would be nice if the Ottawa you saw several years ago showed up again this year!


On Jul 13, 2013, at 6:51 AM, cgandree at mchsi.com wrote:

> Dave,
> I used to have one of these "man killer" single flywheel saws, but sold it about ten years ago. I kept the the original manual and advertising booklets and it appears that the older models had the clutch built into the gear box and as soon as you lifted the saw assemble out of the cut log it shut the saw off. Unfortunately there are no clear pictures of your friends earlier model but discuses the improvements made on the newer ones like mine was. There was one on display a couple years ago at Baraboo like your friends. Maybe we could ask around in August to see who owns it.
> Curt
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Cc: "Diana Lundberg" <dkl2368 at yahoo.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2013 7:39:08 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
> Subject: [SEL] Drag Saw Help Needed
> 
> Hi All, 
> 	I'm trying to help out a fellow that I just met who has an early Ottawa Drag saw. It's a two flywheel saw with a Webster mag. My question (to start) is how does the clutch work on this saw? There is no clutch rod as there is on the later Ottawa saws. BUT it sure seems to me that the saw must have a clutch release of some kind. A similar saw can be seen at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-S0DaAXDziA
> 	Thanks, Dave
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From rotigel at me.com  Sat Jul 13 05:55:49 2013
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2013 08:55:49 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Drag Saw Help Needed
In-Reply-To: <51E146B6.8010109@accnorwalk.com>
References: <879425673.7048981373712711679.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>
	<51E146B6.8010109@accnorwalk.com>
Message-ID: <A4E41B3D-C4D3-4CB8-874B-9E0113A30D3B@me.com>

Hi Doug, 
	I'm not really understanding. Are you saying that the clutch simply releases when the blade get's bound (or does it just slip) and that the blade runs ALL THE TIME once the saw is started? Is the "spring loaded" clutch arrangement to which you refer simply that nut and spring on the end of the off-side crankshaft? That same nut and spring arrangement is used to adjust the clutch on a Hercules saw rig.  Any chance you could take some close up pictures of the spring loaded clutch arrangement and send them to me? THANKS!
	Dave

On Jul 13, 2013, at 8:23 AM, Doug Tallman wrote:

> 
> I've got one of the 2 flywheel Ottawa engines and I bought a parts unit 
> for the saw. Near as I can tell, its just a spring loaded slipper clutch 
> that would only work if the blade got bound. It didn't look like there 
> was any provision to stop the saw. Doug T
> 
> 
> 
> 
> cgandree at mchsi.com wrote:
>> Dave,
>> I used to have one of these "man killer" single flywheel saws, but sold it about ten years ago. I kept the the original manual and advertising booklets and it appears that the older models had the clutch built into the gear box and as soon as you lifted the saw assemble out of the cut log it shut the saw off. Unfortunately there are no clear pictures of your friends earlier model but discuses the improvements made on the newer ones like mine was. There was one on display a couple years ago at Baraboo like your friends. Maybe we could ask around in August to see who owns it.
>> Curt
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Cc: "Diana Lundberg" <dkl2368 at yahoo.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2013 7:39:08 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
>> Subject: [SEL] Drag Saw Help Needed
>> 
>> Hi All, 
>> 	I'm trying to help out a fellow that I just met who has an early Ottawa Drag saw. It's a two flywheel saw with a Webster mag. My question (to start) is how does the clutch work on this saw? There is no clutch rod as there is on the later Ottawa saws. BUT it sure seems to me that the saw must have a clutch release of some kind. A similar saw can be seen at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-S0DaAXDziA
>> 	Thanks, Dave
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From dtallman at accnorwalk.com  Sat Jul 13 06:59:24 2013
From: dtallman at accnorwalk.com (Doug Tallman)
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2013 09:59:24 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Drag Saw Help Needed
In-Reply-To: <A4E41B3D-C4D3-4CB8-874B-9E0113A30D3B@me.com>
References: <879425673.7048981373712711679.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11><51E146B6.8010109@accnorwalk.com>
	<A4E41B3D-C4D3-4CB8-874B-9E0113A30D3B@me.com>
Message-ID: <51E15D3C.7090508@accnorwalk.com>


My understanding was that the blade runs all the time and the clutch 
will slip if it gets bound to keep from breaking things. The nut and 
spring set the tension on the fiber disc as to how easy it slips. There 
wasn't anything to make it fully release. The early Vaughan saws worked 
the same way. I'll have to look and see if I can locate the Ottawa parts 
and take pics. I've never got around to putting the saw together and its 
been awhile since I've even seen the parts.  Doug T






Dave Rotigel wrote:
> Hi Doug, 
> 	I'm not really understanding. Are you saying that the clutch simply releases when the blade get's bound (or does it just slip) and that the blade runs ALL THE TIME once the saw is started? Is the "spring loaded" clutch arrangement to which you refer simply that nut and spring on the end of the off-side crankshaft? That same nut and spring arrangement is used to adjust the clutch on a Hercules saw rig.  Any chance you could take some close up pictures of the spring loaded clutch arrangement and send them to me? THANKS!
> 	Dave
>
> On Jul 13, 2013, at 8:23 AM, Doug Tallman wrote:
>
>   
>> I've got one of the 2 flywheel Ottawa engines and I bought a parts unit 
>> for the saw. Near as I can tell, its just a spring loaded slipper clutch 
>> that would only work if the blade got bound. It didn't look like there 
>> was any provision to stop the saw. Doug T
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>     
>>>       
>   



From rotigel at me.com  Sat Jul 13 17:17:14 2013
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2013 20:17:14 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Drag Saw Help Needed
In-Reply-To: <51E15D3C.7090508@accnorwalk.com>
References: <879425673.7048981373712711679.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>
	<51E146B6.8010109@accnorwalk.com>
	<A4E41B3D-C4D3-4CB8-874B-9E0113A30D3B@me.com>
	<51E15D3C.7090508@accnorwalk.com>
Message-ID: <99499559-23BD-4741-81E1-CB14927DCBE6@me.com>

If you can find the parts, I'd sure like to see those pictures Doug! I seem to remember that someone once told me that the Vaughn (and perhaps the Wade as well) "ran" all the time. 
	Dave
PS, Starting to "believe" but still finding it hard!
PPS, People at OSHA would have to change their undies just reading about all this!
PPPS, PLEASE, NO COMMENTS on my first PS!

On Jul 13, 2013, at 9:59 AM, Doug Tallman wrote:

> 
> My understanding was that the blade runs all the time and the clutch 
> will slip if it gets bound to keep from breaking things. The nut and 
> spring set the tension on the fiber disc as to how easy it slips. There 
> wasn't anything to make it fully release. The early Vaughan saws worked 
> the same way. I'll have to look and see if I can locate the Ottawa parts 
> and take pics. I've never got around to putting the saw together and its 
> been awhile since I've even seen the parts.  Doug T
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Dave Rotigel wrote:
>> Hi Doug, 
>> 	I'm not really understanding. Are you saying that the clutch simply releases when the blade get's bound (or does it just slip) and that the blade runs ALL THE TIME once the saw is started? Is the "spring loaded" clutch arrangement to which you refer simply that nut and spring on the end of the off-side crankshaft? That same nut and spring arrangement is used to adjust the clutch on a Hercules saw rig.  Any chance you could take some close up pictures of the spring loaded clutch arrangement and send them to me? THANKS!
>> 	Dave
>> 
>> On Jul 13, 2013, at 8:23 AM, Doug Tallman wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> I've got one of the 2 flywheel Ottawa engines and I bought a parts unit 
>>> for the saw. Near as I can tell, its just a spring loaded slipper clutch 
>>> that would only work if the blade got bound. It didn't look like there 
>>> was any provision to stop the saw. Doug T
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> 
>> 
> 
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From rotigel at me.com  Sat Jul 13 19:00:58 2013
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2013 22:00:58 -0400
Subject: [SEL] 5 HP Acadia engine in Boat
In-Reply-To: <77D2F726-BA8C-4FBB-8CFE-7371EE6B2F3E@herculesengines.com>
References: <51BB9ABB.90307@eldensengines.com>
	<77D2F726-BA8C-4FBB-8CFE-7371EE6B2F3E@herculesengines.com>
Message-ID: <C1494DFA-98DE-4C4D-9363-A7597E768EDE@me.com>

VERRRRRY NICE Keith! I take for granted you will be bringing the boat to Portland this year JUST INCASE we have a repeat of 1999! (Was that the year we got a bit of rain?)
	Dave

On Jul 13, 2013, at 12:29 AM, kkinney at herculesengines.com wrote:

> Last fall we bought a boat the a 5 HP Acadia engine in it.  This past weekend we finally got a chance to put it into the water.  It took a lot of cranking and tuning but we finally got it running pretty good and we had a lot of fun putting around the lake. Here is a video of "Putt Putt" If you want to see the engine skip to the last quarter of the video. If anyone know anything about the history of this boat or has any suggestions please let me know. We still need to get the starting process figured out. 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P92z1LhyA-o
> Keith
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From curt at rustyiron.com  Sun Jul 14 13:00:37 2013
From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com)
Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2013 16:00:37 -0400
Subject: [SEL] 5 HP Acadia engine in Boat
In-Reply-To: <77D2F726-BA8C-4FBB-8CFE-7371EE6B2F3E@herculesengines.com>
References: <51BB9ABB.90307@eldensengines.com>
	<77D2F726-BA8C-4FBB-8CFE-7371EE6B2F3E@herculesengines.com>
Message-ID: <43735fdfa716446c1ffa788f74d0a91f.squirrel@elara.lunarservers.com>

>
Keith, looking good. Looks like you are ready for skis or a knee board :-)
Curt

 Last fall we bought a boat the a 5 HP Acadia engine in it.  This past
> weekend we finally got a chance to put it into the water.  It took a lot
> of cranking and tuning but we finally got it running pretty good and we
> had a lot of fun putting around the lake. Here is a video of "Putt Putt"
> If you want to see the engine skip to the last quarter of the video. If
> anyone know anything about the history of this boat or has any suggestions
> please let me know. We still need to get the starting process figured out.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P92z1LhyA-o
> Keith
> www.herculesengines.com
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From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Sun Jul 14 18:46:02 2013
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 11:46:02 +1000
Subject: [SEL] What can it drive?
Message-ID: <CE09917A.46CF%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

An often asked question at rallies is 'what would these engines be able to
drive?'. Here is a good answer of what and how many from the 1929
Ronaldson-Tippett Catalogue.
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/austreg/rt_1929/rtpowerlist.jpg


Patrick M Livingstone
0418 692013
Earlwood NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From rdi at rochester.rr.com  Mon Jul 15 06:44:46 2013
From: rdi at rochester.rr.com (Rick I.)
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 09:44:46 -0400
Subject: [SEL] 5 HP Acadia engine in Boat
References: <mailman.3.1373817601.978.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <0D309238BC264FCFA3133E4486ADF40C@marlin>

Keith,

Thank you very much for that great video!  It was great to not only see the 
engine run, but in its original use/setting.  I've seen many marine engines 
at shows, but never one that was being demonstrated/running.

-Rick I.

> On Jul 13, 2013, at 12:29 AM, kkinney at herculesengines.com wrote:
>
> Last fall we bought a boat the a 5 HP Acadia engine in it.  This past 
> weekend we finally got a chance to put it into the water.  It took a lot 
> of cranking and tuning but we finally got it running pretty good and we 
> had a lot of fun putting around the lake. Here is a video of "Putt Putt" 
> If you want to see the engine skip to the last quarter of the video. If 
> anyone know anything about the history of this boat or has any suggestions 
> please let me know. We still need to get the starting process figured out.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P92z1LhyA-o
> Keith



From kkinney at herculesengines.com  Mon Jul 15 20:40:27 2013
From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (kkinney at herculesengines.com)
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 22:40:27 -0500
Subject: [SEL] 5 HP Acadia engine in Boat
In-Reply-To: <43735fdfa716446c1ffa788f74d0a91f.squirrel@elara.lunarservers.com>
References: <51BB9ABB.90307@eldensengines.com>
	<77D2F726-BA8C-4FBB-8CFE-7371EE6B2F3E@herculesengines.com>
	<43735fdfa716446c1ffa788f74d0a91f.squirrel@elara.lunarservers.com>
Message-ID: <63D48C52-4FF0-4B93-86C9-F1D1C8071DB1@herculesengines.com>

Thanks for all the complements guys.  Let's see if I can answer the questions posed here:
The engine is a 5 HP Acadia engine with an ignitor for ignition.  
It is two cycle and direct connected to the driveshaft and propeller.  
To reverse the boat you flip a switch that kills the battery.  While the engine is slowing down you retard the timing with the timing lever.  When it is just about to stop rotating you fill the switch and if all goes right it will kick against compression and reverse direction.  If it doesn't go right you run into the dock. We did get pretty good at changing engine direction.
The previous owner had put the outboard on the back of the boat.  We will be removing it first chance we get.
We controlled the speed mostly by adjusting the throttle in the carburetor.  Moving the timing lever didn't seem to change the speed much.
Arnie, I think I need to get a few more hours of running under my belt before we set sail on the Mississippi. :-)
Bo, yes, JB has a great event, we've been to it twice.  Hopefully next year we can take Putt Putt to Louisiana.
If anyone has additional questions please let me know.
Keith
www.herculesengines.com



On Jul 14, 2013, at 3:00 PM, curt at rustyiron.com wrote:

>> 
> Keith, looking good. Looks like you are ready for skis or a knee board :-)
> Curt
> 
> Last fall we bought a boat the a 5 HP Acadia engine in it.  This past
>> weekend we finally got a chance to put it into the water.  It took a lot
>> of cranking and tuning but we finally got it running pretty good and we
>> had a lot of fun putting around the lake. Here is a video of "Putt Putt"
>> If you want to see the engine skip to the last quarter of the video. If
>> anyone know anything about the history of this boat or has any suggestions
>> please let me know. We still need to get the starting process figured out.
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P92z1LhyA-o
>> Keith
>> www.herculesengines.com
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From frappi at wcoil.com  Mon Jul 15 21:31:03 2013
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 00:31:03 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Findlay Ohio Show  Ohio Built Engines.
In-Reply-To: <4DEF3165-10F2-438B-9CEB-DB8226D10C0D@me.com>
References: <4DEF3165-10F2-438B-9CEB-DB8226D10C0D@me.com>
Message-ID: <20130716043056.13319AA8A@smtp.wcoil.com>



Hi All,
   We had the last board meeting of the year before Findlay show 
tonight. Northwest Ohio Antique Machinery Association.  Two weeks 
from tomorrow "Tuesday" we can start set up of displays.   This years 
feature is Ohio Built Engines. Official show dates August 1-4   We 
start marking out spaces Monday evening at 5 pm  and set up can start 
Tuesday noon.
  Hope to see a field full of engine displays!!

                      Maytag Mark







Mark Shulaw
454 County Road 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817
USA

Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home
Hobby Collector and Dealer in John Deere
and Hercules Engines.
Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com

CAPITALISM Is the backbone of America and Freedom, Not Government or 
socialism!    



From frappi at wcoil.com  Tue Jul 16 18:12:56 2013
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 21:12:56 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OFF TOPIC: Read at your own risk. Old Ford 5.8 liter 351
 Windsor Engine Problems
Message-ID: <20130717011243.5459AA919@smtp.wcoil.com>



Hi All, This is about a 94 Ford 5.8  351 Windsor. So delete now if 
your not interested. Fair Warning, LOL.
I need to talk to a good ford mechanic if we have any on the list. I 
need to run through some ideas. Its in the van I just got to replace 
the Hawkins Machine I lost in the wreck nearly three weeks ago. .
Its had all new plugs, rotor and cap, fuel filter and now I know its 
throwing a code 33 as I bought a code reader today for the old ones. 
OBD 1 . . Heres the rest.
   I knew this when I got it but Its got a bad stumble at all rpms. 
Idle, light acceleration and at speed. Seems to not stumble under 
hard acceleration. Goes pretty good. It is throwing a 33 EGR code. 
After several hours of cussing and misery in the sun and heat I 
checked out the EGR as best I could and finally tore it all out. One 
cuss of a job. Not an easy job considering where its buried.  All 
parts check out. I have 5 V power to the solenoid switch on, 
Continuity of the solenoid windings. No vacuum at idle.    The EGR 
valve itself works as it should but I have an egr code and the 
stumbling. Maybe the two are not related? In either case its throwing 
a 33.  I am starting to think I might have a bad computer. So if 
anyone is very familiar with these beasts please help. At least just 
running through some ideas. I am going back out now to reassemble.
If I could just get the stumble to go away I would not give a hoot 
about the 33 .  Will try to check the timing chain tomorrow.
      Maytag Mark        419.516.2996







Mark Shulaw
454 County Road 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817
USA

Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home
Hobby Collector and Dealer in John Deere
and Hercules Engines.
Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com

CAPITALISM Is the backbone of America and Freedom, Not Government or 
socialism!    



From jbcast at charter.net  Tue Jul 16 19:26:16 2013
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 22:26:16 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] OFF TOPIC: Read at your own risk. Old Ford 5.8 liter 351
 Windsor Engine Problems
Message-ID: <702b9012.3e22d8.13fea730d68.Webtop.49@charter.net>

Mark, check ignition timing, probably should be 10 degrees with the 
"spout" disconected, the spout is spark out, a wire, usualy near the 
distributor, some are an inline connector, some have a gray plastic 
shunt that you pull, brings it down to base timing. The 5 volts is on 
the egr sensor, not the solenoid, it's on top of the egr valve. Three 
wires, one should be 5 volts, one ground, the other is signal return, I 
believe .5 volts on this one, some of the early ones were 1 volt. If the 
voltage is high, you can grind a little off of the punger to lower it, 
if it's low I squeeze the very tip of the plunger in the vise to make it 
longer. The EGR valves build up carbon on the seat, lifting it and 
showing high voltage when it should be seeing closed voltage, it will 
set a code, usually won't affect running much. Map sensors are critical 
on these, you need a hertz meter to check it, I have one on my Fluke, 
it's been a long time since I checked one, seems like 159 to 160 here, 
were just a few feet above sea level, there are charts that will give 
the specs for the baro reading. Be sure the vacuum hose ot it is open, 
if it's colapsed or clogged it will stumble because the sensor isn't 
reading vacuum drop quick enough, if you can find a sensor it's easy 
enough to just try one. Fuel pressure, guessing 34 psi on this one, I 
can look it up tomorrow. Try unplugging the O2 sensor, see if ti runs 
better that way. If I think of anything else I will let you know.
J.B. Castagnos



Jul 16, 2013 at 8:12 PM, Mark Shulaw wrote:

> Hi All, This is about a 94 Ford 5.8  351 Windsor. So delete now if 
> your not interested. Fair Warning, LOL.
> I need to talk to a good ford mechanic if we have any on the list. I 
> need to run through some ideas. Its in the van I just got to replace 
> the Hawkins Machine I lost in the wreck nearly three weeks ago. .
> Its had all new plugs, rotor and cap, fuel filter and now I know its 
> throwing a code 33 as I bought a code reader today for the old ones. 
> OBD 1 . . Heres the rest.
>    I knew this when I got it but Its got a bad stumble at all rpms. 
> Idle, light acceleration and at speed. Seems to not stumble under hard 
> acceleration. Goes pretty good. It is throwing a 33 EGR code. After 
> several hours of cussing and misery in the sun and heat I checked out 
> the EGR as best I could and finally tore it all out. One cuss of a 
> job. Not an easy job considering where its buried.  All parts check 
> out. I have 5 V power to the solenoid switch on, Continuity of the 
> solenoid windings. No vacuum at idle.    The EGR valve itself works as 
> it should but I have an egr code and the stumbling. Maybe the two are 
> not related? In either case its throwing a 33.  I am starting to think 
> I might have a bad computer. So if anyone is very familiar with these 
> beasts please help. At least just running through some ideas. I am 
> going back out now to reassemble.
> If I could just get the stumble to go away I would not give a hoot 
> about the 33 .  Will try to check the timing chain tomorrow.
>       Maytag Mark        419.516.2996
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> 454 County Road 33
> Bluffton, OH. 45817
> USA
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From enginepaul at gmail.com  Wed Jul 17 01:52:36 2013
From: enginepaul at gmail.com (STRAIGHT from SanFran)
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 01:52:36 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OFF TOPIC: Read at your own risk. Old Ford 5.8 liter 351
 Windsor Engine Problems
In-Reply-To: <20130717011243.5459AA919@smtp.wcoil.com>
References: <20130717011243.5459AA919@smtp.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <CAMuKiUBrAcBPHt_dbUBFv2+BYeFw4BC=F8MzBK7VTbuiAg8L-w@mail.gmail.com>

I'll have to do some digging for my copy, but Ford put out a bulletin
saying to ignore the 33 code if all else checks out in the system. The
stumbling means something is wrong, but probably not in the EGR valve. If
you hold a steady RPM of about 1500+, the valve should open - that's just a
'guess test"

My first guess is one of the hard vacuum lines has developed a crack.
Unfortunately, the process of doing a through  check requires a manual and
can't be summarized in an e-mail.
ALSO - do an engine running code check, something may come up there.

Paul - 300,000+ on a Ranger


On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 6:12 PM, Mark Shulaw <frappi at wcoil.com> wrote:

>
>
> Hi All, This is about a 94 Ford 5.8  351 Windsor. So delete now if
> your not interested. Fair Warning, LOL.
> I need to talk to a good ford mechanic if we have any on the list. I
> need to run through some ideas. Its in the van I just got to replace
> the Hawkins Machine I lost in the wreck nearly three weeks ago. .
> Its had all new plugs, rotor and cap, fuel filter and now I know its
> throwing a code 33 as I bought a code reader today for the old ones.
> OBD 1 . . Heres the rest.
>    I knew this when I got it but Its got a bad stumble at all rpms.
> Idle, light acceleration and at speed. Seems to not stumble under
> hard acceleration. Goes pretty good. It is throwing a 33 EGR code.
> After several hours of cussing and misery in the sun and heat I
> checked out the EGR as best I could and finally tore it all out. One
> cuss of a job. Not an easy job considering where its buried.  All
> parts check out. I have 5 V power to the solenoid switch on,
> Continuity of the solenoid windings. No vacuum at idle.    The EGR
> valve itself works as it should but I have an egr code and the
> stumbling. Maybe the two are not related? In either case its throwing
> a 33.  I am starting to think I might have a bad computer. So if
> anyone is very familiar with these beasts please help. At least just
> running through some ideas. I am going back out now to reassemble.
> If I could just get the stumble to go away I would not give a hoot
> about the 33 .  Will try to check the timing chain tomorrow.
>       Maytag Mark        419.516.2996
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Mark Shulaw
> 454 County Road 33
> Bluffton, OH. 45817
> USA
>
> Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home
> Hobby Collector and Dealer in John Deere
> and Hercules Engines.
> Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
> VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com
>
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From swilliams268 at frontier.com  Wed Jul 17 07:32:53 2013
From: swilliams268 at frontier.com (Steve W.)
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 10:32:53 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OFF TOPIC: Read at your own risk. Old Ford 5.8 liter 351
 Windsor Engine Problems
In-Reply-To: <CAMuKiUBrAcBPHt_dbUBFv2+BYeFw4BC=F8MzBK7VTbuiAg8L-w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20130717011243.5459AA919@smtp.wcoil.com>
	<CAMuKiUBrAcBPHt_dbUBFv2+BYeFw4BC=F8MzBK7VTbuiAg8L-w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <51E6AB15.2090805@frontier.com>

STRAIGHT from SanFran wrote:
> I'll have to do some digging for my copy, but Ford put out a bulletin
> saying to ignore the 33 code if all else checks out in the system. The
> stumbling means something is wrong, but probably not in the EGR valve. If
> you hold a steady RPM of about 1500+, the valve should open - that's just a
> 'guess test"
> 
> My first guess is one of the hard vacuum lines has developed a crack.
> Unfortunately, the process of doing a through  check requires a manual and
> can't be summarized in an e-mail.
> ALSO - do an engine running code check, something may come up there.
> 
> Paul - 300,000+ on a Ranger
> 

Easy way to check for vac leaks is to run an unlit propane torch along 
the lines and listen for the engine to speed up.

Didn't the 351W have a problem wit sloppy timing chains? I seem to 
remember there was something in one of the trades about chain stretch 
causing timing shift.

-- 
Steve W.


From frappi at wcoil.com  Wed Jul 17 22:42:50 2013
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2013 01:42:50 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OFF TOPIC: Read at your own risk. Old Ford 5.8 liter 351
 Windsor Engine Problems
In-Reply-To: <51E6AB15.2090805@frontier.com>
References: <20130717011243.5459AA919@smtp.wcoil.com>
	<CAMuKiUBrAcBPHt_dbUBFv2+BYeFw4BC=F8MzBK7VTbuiAg8L-w@mail.gmail.com>
	<51E6AB15.2090805@frontier.com>
Message-ID: <20130718054252.D02DFAA5A@smtp.wcoil.com>

I am still new to the OBD 1 tester. Still trying to understand the 
procedure of the running test. I suck at understanding written 
instruction but I can catch demonstration instantly. The problem with 
written instruction is its written by people intimately familiar with 
the procedure so important minor details get glossed over. But I will 
try to do it tomorrow. I do remember Ford is great for using the 
fiber or plastic timing gear and it likes to wear along with chain 
stretch. I plan to do a chain and gear set on it as soon as I get the 
other problems ironed out.
  I am going to investigate the EGR solenoid tomorrow. It may have a 
leak. If the EGR is not opening due to not enough vacuum from the 
solenoid at higher rpm the timing is then wrong for the resulting mix 
of combustion gas. This could create the P I Ping I am hearing under 
acceleration.  If the solenoid is leaking it would also explain the 
stumble. Will have to check it out.  My poor old 93 had 260K on it 
and running strong. I had planned to take it to at least 300. But the 
inner body was getting really rough.            Thanks,      Mark


At 10:32 AM 7/17/2013, you wrote:
>STRAIGHT from SanFran wrote:
> > I'll have to do some digging for my copy, but Ford put out a bulletin
> > saying to ignore the 33 code if all else checks out in the system. The
> > stumbling means something is wrong, but probably not in the EGR valve. If
> > you hold a steady RPM of about 1500+, the valve should open - that's just a
> > 'guess test"
> >
> > My first guess is one of the hard vacuum lines has developed a crack.
> > Unfortunately, the process of doing a through  check requires a manual and
> > can't be summarized in an e-mail.
> > ALSO - do an engine running code check, something may come up there.
> >
> > Paul - 300,000+ on a Ranger
> >
>
>Easy way to check for vac leaks is to run an unlit propane torch along
>the lines and listen for the engine to speed up.
>
>Didn't the 351W have a problem wit sloppy timing chains? I seem to
>remember there was something in one of the trades about chain stretch
>causing timing shift.
>--
>Steve W.


Mark Shulaw
454 County Road 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817
USA

Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home
Hobby Collector and Dealer in John Deere
and Hercules Engines.
Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com

CAPITALISM Is the backbone of America and Freedom, Not Government or 
socialism!    



From frappi at wcoil.com  Tue Jul 23 22:03:05 2013
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2013 01:03:05 -0400
Subject: [SEL] OFF TOPIC: THANK YOU Read at your own risk. Old Ford 5.8
 liter 351 Windsor Engine Problems
Message-ID: <20130724050304.68C62AA2F@smtp.wcoil.com>

Hi All, The diagnosis is in. The final solution was the PCM ( 
Powertrain Control Module ) was at fault. A capacitor was bad on the 
board. I repaired the board with a new capacitor of the correct 
rating and reinstalled  the computer to find a great running engine. 
No more stalling bucking stumbling or spark knock. The only absolute 
problems was the fuel filter and the computer. You can see the repair 
at my face book.   Thank You to all who replied!!   The support of 
the list is great.    Mark

>Hi All, This is about a 94 Ford 5.8  351 Windsor. So delete now if 
>your not interested. Fair Warning, LOL.
>I need to talk to a good ford mechanic if we have any on the list. I 
>need to run through some ideas. Its in the van I just got to replace 
>the Hawkins Machine I lost in the wreck nearly three weeks ago. .
>Its had all new plugs, rotor and cap, fuel filter and now I know its 
>throwing a code 33 as I bought a code reader today for the old ones. 
>OBD 1 . . Heres the rest.
>   I knew this when I got it but Its got a bad stumble at all rpms. 
> Idle, light acceleration and at speed. Seems to not stumble under 
> hard acceleration. Goes pretty good. It is throwing a 33 EGR code. 
> After several hours of cussing and misery in the sun and heat I 
> checked out the EGR as best I could and finally tore it all out. 
> One cuss of a job. Not an easy job considering where its 
> buried.  All parts check out. I have 5 V power to the solenoid 
> switch on, Continuity of the solenoid windings. No vacuum at 
> idle.    The EGR valve itself works as it should but I have an egr 
> code and the stumbling. Maybe the two are not related? In either 
> case its throwing a 33.  I am starting to think I might have a bad 
> computer. So if anyone is very familiar with these beasts please 
> help. At least just running through some ideas. I am going back out 
> now to reassemble.
>If I could just get the stumble to go away I would not give a hoot 
>about the 33 .  Will try to check the timing chain tomorrow.
>      Maytag Mark        419.516.2996




Mark Shulaw
454 County Road 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817
USA

Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home
Hobby Collector and Dealer in John Deere
and Hercules Engines.
Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com

CAPITALISM Is the backbone of America and Freedom, Not Government or 
socialism!    



From rotigel at me.com  Sat Jul 27 18:16:28 2013
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2013 21:16:28 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fwd: How to start a crop duster..
References: <040E87B0-A826-4A3C-8FE2-8DCDFA6A97BD@me.com>
Message-ID: <925B0515-30F3-4334-878E-842B11345D5C@me.com>

> 
> Would this work on big oilfield engines?
> 	Dave
> 
> 
>>  
>>  
>>   One for the books
>> How to start a crop duster if the battery is dead..... 
>> 
>> https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=401176083333530&set=vb.291480754303064&type=2&theater
>>  
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From don.h at wcoil.com  Sat Jul 27 18:53:32 2013
From: don.h at wcoil.com (Don)
Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2013 21:53:32 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fwd: How to start a crop duster..
In-Reply-To: <925B0515-30F3-4334-878E-842B11345D5C@me.com>
References: <040E87B0-A826-4A3C-8FE2-8DCDFA6A97BD@me.com>
	<925B0515-30F3-4334-878E-842B11345D5C@me.com>
Message-ID: <B600B04E859A458C91F168AF87585226@DonPC>

Don?t know why it wouldn,t


-----Original Message----- 
From: David Rotigel
Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 9:16 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: [SEL] Fwd: How to start a crop duster..

>
> Would this work on big oilfield engines?
> Dave
>
>
>>
>>
>>   One for the books
>> How to start a crop duster if the battery is dead.....
>>
>> https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=401176083333530&set=vb.291480754303064&type=2&theater
>>
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From rotigel at me.com  Sat Jul 27 19:54:16 2013
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2013 22:54:16 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fwd: How to start a crop duster..
In-Reply-To: <B600B04E859A458C91F168AF87585226@DonPC>
References: <040E87B0-A826-4A3C-8FE2-8DCDFA6A97BD@me.com>
	<925B0515-30F3-4334-878E-842B11345D5C@me.com>
	<B600B04E859A458C91F168AF87585226@DonPC>
Message-ID: <D8122791-5B11-4764-AAAD-C7E6096E8DDC@me.com>

Hi Don, Will you be at Portland? Do you have a truck?
	Dave

On Jul 27, 2013, at 9:53 PM, Don <don.h at wcoil.com> wrote:

> Don?t know why it wouldn,t
> 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: David Rotigel
> Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 9:16 PM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: [SEL] Fwd: How to start a crop duster..
> 
>> 
>> Would this work on big oilfield engines?
>> Dave
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  One for the books
>>> How to start a crop duster if the battery is dead.....
>>> 
>>> https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=401176083333530&set=vb.291480754303064&type=2&theater
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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From ozengine at iinet.net.au  Sun Jul 28 01:52:52 2013
From: ozengine at iinet.net.au (Kerry)
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2013 18:52:52 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Fwd: How to start a crop duster..
In-Reply-To: <925B0515-30F3-4334-878E-842B11345D5C@me.com>
References: <040E87B0-A826-4A3C-8FE2-8DCDFA6A97BD@me.com>
	<925B0515-30F3-4334-878E-842B11345D5C@me.com>
Message-ID: <51F4DBE4.5040809@iinet.net.au>

G'Day Dave
What's Facebook?

Kerry



On 28/07/2013 11:16 AM, David Rotigel wrote:
>> Would this work on big oilfield engines?
>> 	Dave
>>
>>
>>>   
>>>   
>>>    One for the books
>>> How to start a crop duster if the battery is dead.....
>>>
>>> https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=401176083333530&set=vb.291480754303064&type=2&theater
>>>   
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From rotigel at me.com  Sun Jul 28 05:35:21 2013
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2013 08:35:21 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Fwd: How to start a crop duster..
In-Reply-To: <51F4DBE4.5040809@iinet.net.au>
References: <040E87B0-A826-4A3C-8FE2-8DCDFA6A97BD@me.com>
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	<51F4DBE4.5040809@iinet.net.au>
Message-ID: <429E5884-F174-4C79-9970-D6FB4D68FA2C@me.com>

I have no idea Kerry. Did they make an oilfield engine?
	Dave

On Jul 28, 2013, at 4:52 AM, Kerry <ozengine at iinet.net.au> wrote:

> G'Day Dave
> What's Facebook?
> 
> Kerry
> 
> 
> 
> On 28/07/2013 11:16 AM, David Rotigel wrote:
>>> Would this work on big oilfield engines?
>>> 	Dave
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>   One for the books
>>>> How to start a crop duster if the battery is dead.....
>>>> 
>>>> https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=401176083333530&set=vb.291480754303064&type=2&theater
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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From rotigel at me.com  Sun Jul 28 13:50:23 2013
From: rotigel at me.com (David Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2013 16:50:23 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Findlay Show
Message-ID: <90E19656-5C02-4362-ACE8-20B43FDBFD80@me.com>

GREAT weather for a GREAT show! See: http://www.weather.com/weather/tenday/Findlay+OH+USOH0311:1:US

From jnyost at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 29 08:25:08 2013
From: jnyost at yahoo.com (Jim Yost)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 11:25:08 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Findlay Show
In-Reply-To: <90E19656-5C02-4362-ACE8-20B43FDBFD80@me.com>
References: <90E19656-5C02-4362-ACE8-20B43FDBFD80@me.com>
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Amen to that! C u there

Sent from my iPhone


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From jbcast at charter.net  Mon Jul 29 19:00:52 2013
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 22:00:52 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Engine transport
Message-ID: <606df0fb.a3b15c.1402d4e7967.Webtop.46@charter.net>


Anyone headed from California to Portland? I have a small engine that 
needs to be moved.
J.B. Castagnos