From frappi at wcoil.com  Sat Sep  1 10:23:16 2012
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2012 13:23:16 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Way OT: Seattle to Port Angeles WA.
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Hi Washington area folks,
I am going to be visiting the Seattle-Port Angeles area soon and I am 
looking for info from the locals or those knowledgeable as for some 
directions. I am going by car from Seattle, destination the Forks, 
Port Angeles WA area. Is there a quicker way then driving around the 
waters? Is there a ferry from Seattle to Port Angeles that would be 
quicker? Or something that would approximate accomplishing that?  I 
only have a day and a half in the area. So time saved driving will 
help.     Thanks and please reply directly to     frappi at wcoil.com        Mark




Mark Shulaw
454 County Road 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817
USA

Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home
Hobby Collector and Dealer in John Deere
and Hercules Engines.
Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com  



From frappi at wcoil.com  Sat Sep  1 10:39:32 2012
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2012 13:39:32 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Way OT: Seattle to Port Angeles WA.
Message-ID: <20120901173927.1A2B4A13A@smtp.wcoil.com>

PS: I just found a ferry to Bainbridge Island then on to Port Angeles 
by the 101 but I always like to defer to the locals. They always know 
the better way.

Mark

Hi Washington area folks,
I am going to be visiting the Seattle-Port Angeles area soon and I am 
looking for info from the locals or those knowledgeable as for some 
directions. I am going by car from Seattle, destination the Forks, 
Port Angeles WA area. Is there a quicker way then driving around the 
waters? Is there a ferry from Seattle to Port Angeles that would be 
quicker? Or something that would approximate accomplishing that?  I 
only have a day and a half in the area. So time saved driving will 
help.     Thanks and please reply directly to     frappi at wcoil.com        Mark




Mark Shulaw
454 County Road 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817
USA

Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home
Hobby Collector and Dealer in John Deere
and Hercules Engines.
Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com  



From jorobi at outlook.com  Sat Sep  1 10:55:52 2012
From: jorobi at outlook.com (john billing)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2012 10:55:52 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Way OT: Seattle to Port Angeles WA.
In-Reply-To: <20120901172311.2D028A12F@smtp.wcoil.com>
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	<20120901172311.2D028A12F@smtp.wcoil.com>
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Take the Edmonds Ferry to Kingston  That will save one hour. What are you doing in Fork?  Want to visit a collection up that way?
Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 1, 2012, at 10:32 AM, "Mark Shulaw" <frappi at wcoil.com> wrote:

> 
> 
> Hi Washington area folks,
> I am going to be visiting the Seattle-Port Angeles area soon and I am 
> looking for info from the locals or those knowledgeable as for some 
> directions. I am going by car from Seattle, destination the Forks, 
> Port Angeles WA area. Is there a quicker way then driving around the 
> waters? Is there a ferry from Seattle to Port Angeles that would be 
> quicker? Or something that would approximate accomplishing that?  I 
> only have a day and a half in the area. So time saved driving will 
> help.     Thanks and please reply directly to     frappi at wcoil.com        Mark
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Mark Shulaw
> 454 County Road 33
> Bluffton, OH. 45817
> USA
> 
> Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home
> Hobby Collector and Dealer in John Deere
> and Hercules Engines.
> Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
> VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com  
> 
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From wilson at stny.rr.com  Mon Sep  3 14:34:58 2012
From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson)
Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2012 17:34:58 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Off topic Dodge Truck
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	<6E91141B-0807-4082-BD8B-2FB12F39DA7C@stny.rr.com>
	<1346430698.74426.YahooMailNeo@web121502.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<15F3A19E-C5D4-44D5-86CB-5622EAF986DA@me.com>
	<1346435445.1666.YahooMailNeo@web121502.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
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I know this is off topic do this will be my Only list email regarding this subject. While on Dialysis 5 or so years I smashed our 1985 Dodge Ram 1ton 4WD truck - the same truck we drove from NY to AR to get the 60HP. 

Anyway I am trying to put it back together again. If anyone has an 80's Dodge truck and wouldn't mind taking a few pictures to help me, I'd love your contact. If anyone knows of a list like the SEL for trucks I'm interested. Or a source for parts - mainly body parts. 

Thank you all. 

Glenn Wilson
Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 31, 2012, at 1:50 PM, David Myers <walking_tractor at yahoo.com> wrote:

Oh man!  David, I really got carried away there.  So sorry, can the list ever forgive me?
By the way, which way do you lean?   On the matter of lube.  Er, uh, oops I did it again!   ;-)
David


________________________________
From: Dave Rotigel <rotigel at me.com>
To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> 
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Crank handle attack

David, In the future, please keep in mind that this is a FAMILY FRIENDLY list
    Dave
PS, Goodness gracious, what is this world coming to?

On Aug 31, 2012, at 12:31 PM, David Myers wrote:

> Question for those that have full cranks, do you lube them (or shaft) or are they supposed to be a loose dry fit?
> 
> David
> 

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From George.Best at adp.com  Tue Sep  4 10:40:44 2012
From: George.Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 12:40:44 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Joining the smokers
Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD4148E24A00D@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>

On Saturday I was at my mother-in-laws place to look at some of the stuff my sister-in-law and her husband had taken out of my deceased father-in-law's shed.  He had a shed packed full of Model A Ford parts, along with other assorted car parts and other miscellaneous stuff he had packed away.

To my surprise I spotted a Maytag engine that actually looks to be complete and in decent condition.  Next trip down in a couple of weeks I plan on bringing the Maytag back home with me.  I've never had a Maytag before, so it will be something different to play around with.  Although if it doesn't start with a  little tinkering, it will quickly just end up on a shelf never to be touched again until more interesting projects are finished.


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From edstoller at earthlink.net  Tue Sep  4 11:27:00 2012
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed Stoller)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 14:27:00 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Joining the smokers
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The real question is how much gas do you mix with the oil?

Ed Stoller
New Fairfield,  CT,   USA
www.enginesandmagnets.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Best, George" <George.Best at adp.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2012 1:40 PM
Subject: [SEL] Joining the smokers


> On Saturday I was at my mother-in-laws place to look at some of the stuff 
> my sister-in-law and her husband had taken out of my deceased 
> father-in-law's shed.  He had a shed packed full of Model A Ford parts, 
> along with other assorted car parts and other miscellaneous stuff he had 
> packed away.
>
> To my surprise I spotted a Maytag engine that actually looks to be 
> complete and in decent condition.  Next trip down in a couple of weeks I 
> plan on bringing the Maytag back home with me.  I've never had a Maytag 
> before, so it will be something different to play around with.  Although 
> if it doesn't start with a  little tinkering, it will quickly just end up 
> on a shelf never to be touched again until more interesting projects are 
> finished.
>
>
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From rotigel at me.com  Tue Sep  4 12:17:16 2012
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2012 15:17:16 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Joining the smokers
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	<322C380272B04DE09232227255F76A0E@edlaptop>
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Mine do well on a 4,000/1mixture!
	Dave

On Sep 4, 2012, at 2:27 PM, Ed Stoller wrote:

> The real question is how much gas do you mix with the oil?
> 
> Ed Stoller
> New Fairfield,  CT,   USA
> www.enginesandmagnets.com
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Best, George" <George.Best at adp.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2012 1:40 PM
> Subject: [SEL] Joining the smokers
> 
> 
>> On Saturday I was at my mother-in-laws place to look at some of the stuff 
>> my sister-in-law and her husband had taken out of my deceased 
>> father-in-law's shed.  He had a shed packed full of Model A Ford parts, 
>> along with other assorted car parts and other miscellaneous stuff he had 
>> packed away.
>> 
>> To my surprise I spotted a Maytag engine that actually looks to be 
>> complete and in decent condition.  Next trip down in a couple of weeks I 
>> plan on bringing the Maytag back home with me.  I've never had a Maytag 
>> before, so it will be something different to play around with.  Although 
>> if it doesn't start with a  little tinkering, it will quickly just end up 
>> on a shelf never to be touched again until more interesting projects are 
>> finished.
>> 
>> 
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From MBellar at aol.com  Tue Sep  4 12:48:44 2012
From: MBellar at aol.com (MBellar at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 15:48:44 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Joining the smokers
Message-ID: <222be.1bb5ccb5.3d77b51c@aol.com>

Is it not true that at a mix ratio of 4K/1 the kick starter no longer works 
 and an axe blow to the head assist is required to force the piston  down 
at the proper speed for bump starting?
 
 
In a message dated 9/4/2012 3:30:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
rotigel at me.com writes:

Mine do  well on a 4,000/1mixture!
Dave

On Sep 4, 2012, at 2:27  PM, Ed Stoller wrote:

> The real question is how much gas do you mix  with the oil?
> 
> Ed Stoller
> New Fairfield,   CT,   USA
> www.enginesandmagnets.com
> ----- Original  Message ----- 
> From: "Best, George"  <George.Best at adp.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list"  <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 04,  2012 1:40 PM
> Subject: [SEL] Joining the smokers
> 
>  
>> On Saturday I was at my mother-in-laws place to look at some of  the 
stuff 
>> my sister-in-law and her husband had taken out of my  deceased 
>> father-in-law's shed.  He had a shed packed full of  Model A Ford parts, 
>> along with other assorted car parts and other  miscellaneous stuff he 
had 
>> packed away.
>> 
>>  To my surprise I spotted a Maytag engine that actually looks to be  
>> complete and in decent condition.  Next trip down in a  couple of weeks 
I 
>> plan on bringing the Maytag back home with  me.  I've never had a Maytag 
>> before, so it will be something  different to play around with.  
Although 
>> if it doesn't start  with a  little tinkering, it will quickly just end 
up 
>> on a  shelf never to be touched again until more interesting projects 
are  
>> finished.
>> 
>> 
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confidential. 
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Sep  4 15:02:58 2012
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 18:02:58 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Joining the smokers
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Message-ID: <c879262967d6c4674d445a969078cc95.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com>

George,

The most important advice is to not overdo the oil
Modern two-stroke oils are so much better than what
was available back when Maytags were introduced.

A perfectly suitable gas/oil mixture is 50,000:1.

BTW, you're located close to the ocean; so you probably
have a boat.  You don't say if the Maytag is a single or
a twin.  While either make a superb boat anchor, the
twin is preferred due to the mud-grabbing geometry.

Hope that helps...

See ya,  Arnie

On Tue, September 4, 2012 1:40 pm, Best, George wrote:
> On Saturday I was at my mother-in-laws place to look at some of the stuff
> my sister-in-law and her husband had taken out of my deceased
> father-in-law's shed.  He had a shed packed full of Model A Ford parts,
> along with other assorted car parts and other miscellaneous stuff he had
> packed away.
>
> To my surprise I spotted a Maytag engine that actually looks to be
> complete and in decent condition.  Next trip down in a couple of weeks I
> plan on bringing the Maytag back home with me.  I've never had a Maytag
> before, so it will be something different to play around with.  Although
> if it doesn't start with a  little tinkering, it will quickly just end up
> on a shelf never to be touched again until more interesting projects are
> finished.





From maytagtwin at aol.com  Tue Sep  4 21:02:35 2012
From: maytagtwin at aol.com (maytagtwin at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 00:02:35 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Joining the smokers
In-Reply-To: <c879262967d6c4674d445a969078cc95.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com>
References: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD4148E24A00D@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
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Message-ID: <8CF5932698EE077-1EFC-C52A@webmail-d045.sysops.aol.com>


Hi George,

First, I wish to commend you for having the good sense to bring this poor orphan Maytag Engine into your shop.  You have a physical reminder of an important stage of development of our nation's quality of life.  Prior to the advent of the Maytag Engine many folks who even bothered to wash their clothing, would do it by stirring the clothes with a stick in a pot of boiling water, with lye soap used to reduce surface tension.  Since birth control was not yet freely available from the government, the children in the family would resemble stairsteps and would number from 9 on up to who knows how many.  Children being in constant need of amusement and essentially cruel in their treatment of each other, some of the littler ones were bound to be pushed into the pot from time to time.   Arnie and Evil Dave were lucky to have avoided such a fate.  Given their disdain for the wonderful Maytag Engine their clothes probably weren't all that clean, either.

But, I digress.  Second, ignore those gas/oil ratios  offered up from Evil Dave and Arnie.  Go back to the traditional formula, 16 parts gasoline to one part 30 wt. non-detergent motor oil.  You can reduce the smoke considerable by running the engine under load.  The single cylinder model 92 has hit and miss governing with constant fuel supply.  Under no load it may fire only every 15 or 20 revolutions so you can see considerable gas/oil mix is pumping through the engine creating a smoky exhaust.

So, do be kind to your fine little Maytag Engine.

Regards,
Ron Carroll
Clearmont, MO    




-----Original Message-----
From: Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tue, Sep 4, 2012 5:13 pm
Subject: Re: [SEL] Joining the smokers


George,
The most important advice is to not overdo the oil
odern two-stroke oils are so much better than what
as available back when Maytags were introduced.
A perfectly suitable gas/oil mixture is 50,000:1.
BTW, you're located close to the ocean; so you probably
ave a boat.  You don't say if the Maytag is a single or
 twin.  While either make a superb boat anchor, the
win is preferred due to the mud-grabbing geometry.
Hope that helps...
See ya,  Arnie
On Tue, September 4, 2012 1:40 pm, Best, George wrote:
 On Saturday I was at my mother-in-laws place to look at some of the stuff
 my sister-in-law and her husband had taken out of my deceased
 father-in-law's shed.  He had a shed packed full of Model A Ford parts,
 along with other assorted car parts and other miscellaneous stuff he had
 packed away.

 To my surprise I spotted a Maytag engine that actually looks to be
 complete and in decent condition.  Next trip down in a couple of weeks I
 plan on bringing the Maytag back home with me.  I've never had a Maytag
 before, so it will be something different to play around with.  Although
 if it doesn't start with a  little tinkering, it will quickly just end up
 on a shelf never to be touched again until more interesting projects are
 finished.

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From George.Best at adp.com  Wed Sep  5 08:36:17 2012
From: George.Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 10:36:17 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Joining the smokers
In-Reply-To: <8CF5932698EE077-1EFC-C52A@webmail-d045.sysops.aol.com>
References: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD4148E24A00D@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
	<c879262967d6c4674d445a969078cc95.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com>
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Ron,

>From years of reading Dave's and Arnie's Maytag postings, I'm well aware their mix ratio should not be used unless you want a boat anchor.

The engine I spotted is a single cylinder one, but I didn't check it close enough to see what model it is.

Any problem in using 2-cycle oil mixed with the gas rather than 30w ND?


Hmmmm.... just remembered I actually have a real nice 1 gallon Maytag oil can and it actually still has some oil in it.  Shouldn't be any problem if I use that oil.    Don't remember now where I got that can, but am fairly certain it has original oil in it.

George

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of maytagtwin at aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2012 9:03 PM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] Joining the smokers


Hi George,

First, I wish to commend you for having the good sense to bring this poor orphan Maytag Engine into your shop.  You have a physical reminder of an important stage of development of our nation's quality of life.  Prior to the advent of the Maytag Engine many folks who even bothered to wash their clothing, would do it by stirring the clothes with a stick in a pot of boiling water, with lye soap used to reduce surface tension.  Since birth control was not yet freely available from the government, the children in the family would resemble stairsteps and would number from 9 on up to who knows how many.  Children being in constant need of amusement and essentially cruel in their treatment of each other, some of the littler ones were bound to be pushed into the pot from time to time.   Arnie and Evil Dave were lucky to have avoided such a fate.  Given their disdain for the wonderful Maytag Engine their clothes probably weren't all that clean, either.

But, I digress.  Second, ignore those gas/oil ratios  offered up from Evil Dave and Arnie.  Go back to the traditional formula, 16 parts gasoline to one part 30 wt. non-detergent motor oil.  You can reduce the smoke considerable by running the engine under load.  The single cylinder model 92 has hit and miss governing with constant fuel supply.  Under no load it may fire only every 15 or 20 revolutions so you can see considerable gas/oil mix is pumping through the engine creating a smoky exhaust.

So, do be kind to your fine little Maytag Engine.

Regards,
Ron Carroll
Clearmont, MO    




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From FRM8198 at aol.com  Fri Sep  7 02:54:47 2012
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2012 05:54:47 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Joining the smokers
Message-ID: <f3d5.3085e257.3d7b1e67@aol.com>

George,
Here are some web sites that may be of help to you with your new  Maytag -
 
 
_http://www.maytagshed.com/m92draws.html_ 
(http://www.maytagshed.com/m92draws.html) 
 
_http://www.maytagshed.com/92partlist.html_ 
(http://www.maytagshed.com/92partlist.html) 
 
_http://www.maytagshed.com/92serials.html_ 
(http://www.maytagshed.com/92serials.html) 
 
_http://oldengine.org/members/allen/Maytag/Maytag01.html_ 
(http://oldengine.org/members/allen/Maytag/Maytag01.html) 
 
_http://www.oldengine.org/docs/Maytag_SM.pdf_ 
(http://www.oldengine.org/docs/Maytag_SM.pdf) 
 
_http://www.oldengine.org/members/allen/cut1.jpg_ 
(http://www.oldengine.org/members/allen/cut1.jpg) 
 
_http://www.oldengine.org/members/allen/cut2.jpg_ 
(http://www.oldengine.org/members/allen/cut2.jpg) 
 
_http://www.oldengine.org/members/allen/cut3.jpg_ 
(http://www.oldengine.org/members/allen/cut3.jpg) 
 
_http://www.oldengine.org/members/allen/cut4.jpg_ 
(http://www.oldengine.org/members/allen/cut4.jpg) 
 
 

 
Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA 93454 
 

 
In a message dated 9/5/2012 8:40:40 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
George.Best at adp.com writes:

The  engine I spotted is a single cylinder one, but I didn't check it close 
enough  to see what model it is.




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Sep  7 04:49:26 2012
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2012 07:49:26 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Joining the smokers
In-Reply-To: <f3d5.3085e257.3d7b1e67@aol.com>
References: <f3d5.3085e257.3d7b1e67@aol.com>
Message-ID: <0ca6ba31d4d224becd049aa48166e0e7.squirrel@mail.realprodata.com>

On Fri, September 7, 2012 5:54 am, FRM8198 at aol.com wrote:
> George,
> Here are some web sites that may be of help to you with your new  Maytag -

Don't forget this one...
http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/maytag/maytag_fun.html


> In a message dated 9/5/2012 8:40:40 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> George.Best at adp.com writes:
> The  engine I spotted is a single cylinder one, but I didn't check it
> close enough  to see what model it is.





From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Sep  8 12:19:55 2012
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2012 15:19:55 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Flights from Oz to the UK
Message-ID: <a6da0bdb5e07a8038f9e3869810d19fd.squirrel@mail.realprodata.com>

Hi Folks,

Have any of you flown from Oz to the UK?
In starting the search for flights, what I'm seeing is
seriously UGLY.  Not the price; the travel duration.

What I'm seeing are two-stop flights with travel
durations of 25 to 35 hours.  Bleuch!

Have any of you done that trip with a more human-friendly
travel duration?

See ya,  Arnie




From wboldrusty70 at gmail.com  Sat Sep  8 13:58:48 2012
From: wboldrusty70 at gmail.com (William Burg)
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2012 06:58:48 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Flights from Oz to the UK
In-Reply-To: <a6da0bdb5e07a8038f9e3869810d19fd.squirrel@mail.realprodata.com>
References: <a6da0bdb5e07a8038f9e3869810d19fd.squirrel@mail.realprodata.com>
Message-ID: <CA+US9zGzVrVqQf9f+nrT7MF=faj3sn0S0EEXOsWTbdR5hcHwHw@mail.gmail.com>

Standard times: Sydney to Singapore  8 hours, Singapore to London  13
hours. Bring a good book.

On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 12:19 PM, Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:

> Hi Folks,
>
> Have any of you flown from Oz to the UK?
> In starting the search for flights, what I'm seeing is
> seriously UGLY.  Not the price; the travel duration.
>
> What I'm seeing are two-stop flights with travel
> durations of 25 to 35 hours.  Bleuch!
>
> Have any of you done that trip with a more human-friendly
> travel duration?
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
>
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From al.harris at rustic-engines.com  Sat Sep  8 15:12:47 2012
From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris)
Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2012 08:12:47 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Flights from Oz to the UK
In-Reply-To: <CA+US9zGzVrVqQf9f+nrT7MF=faj3sn0S0EEXOsWTbdR5hcHwHw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a6da0bdb5e07a8038f9e3869810d19fd.squirrel@mail.realprodata.com>
	<CA+US9zGzVrVqQf9f+nrT7MF=faj3sn0S0EEXOsWTbdR5hcHwHw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <504BC2DF.2060600@rustic-engines.com>

Qantas will fly Sydney/Melbourne via Dubai, starting April, which will 
save a little time. Still a full day/night jaunt though.

Al


On 9/09/2012 6:58 AM, William Burg wrote:
> Standard times: Sydney to Singapore  8 hours, Singapore to London  13
> hours. Bring a good book.
>
> On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 12:19 PM, Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Folks,
>>
>> Have any of you flown from Oz to the UK?
>> In starting the search for flights, what I'm seeing is
>> seriously UGLY.  Not the price; the travel duration.
>>
>> What I'm seeing are two-stop flights with travel
>> durations of 25 to 35 hours.  Bleuch!
>>
>> Have any of you done that trip with a more human-friendly
>> travel duration?
>>
>> See ya,  Arnie
>>
>>



From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Sat Sep  8 20:46:49 2012
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2012 11:46:49 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Flights from Oz to the UK
In-Reply-To: <a6da0bdb5e07a8038f9e3869810d19fd.squirrel@mail.realprodata.com>
References: <a6da0bdb5e07a8038f9e3869810d19fd.squirrel@mail.realprodata.com>
Message-ID: <EE0EBFBCFCA944F7BB0475ECF286A623@KerryPC>

Arnie, don't forget its all up hill, a lot of low gear work required, hope 
this helps
Kerry




> Hi Folks,
>
> Have any of you flown from Oz to the UK?
> In starting the search for flights, what I'm seeing is
> seriously UGLY.  Not the price; the travel duration.
>
> What I'm seeing are two-stop flights with travel
> durations of 25 to 35 hours.  Bleuch!
>
> Have any of you done that trip with a more human-friendly
> travel duration?
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Sat Sep  8 21:15:20 2012
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2012 14:15:20 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Flights from Oz to the UK
In-Reply-To: <a6da0bdb5e07a8038f9e3869810d19fd.squirrel@mail.realprodata.com>
Message-ID: <CC7254F8.F097%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

Hi Arnie,
I would highly recommend travelling to the UK on a Singapore Airline A380.
Very comfortable plane and their service is fantastic. Changi Airport
(Singapore) is consistently amongst the best in the world which makes
changing planes in the middle of a long trip a bit more pleasant.
We only went to the UK a few years ago and I think it was about 24 hours
total travel time before we arrived in the sh**hole that is Heathrow ;)
Patrick


On 9/9/12 5:19 AM, "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:

> Hi Folks,
> 
> Have any of you flown from Oz to the UK?
> In starting the search for flights, what I'm seeing is
> seriously UGLY.  Not the price; the travel duration.
> 
> What I'm seeing are two-stop flights with travel
> durations of 25 to 35 hours.  Bleuch!
> 
> Have any of you done that trip with a more human-friendly
> travel duration?
> 
> See ya,  Arnie
> 
> 


Patrick M Livingstone
0418 692013
Earlwood NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From h.terpstra at wxs.nl  Sun Sep  9 00:20:45 2012
From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra)
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2012 09:20:45 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Flights from Oz to the UK
References: <a6da0bdb5e07a8038f9e3869810d19fd.squirrel@mail.realprodata.com>
Message-ID: <65B74E4898F1491781D11E8F552C7F6A@packard971eb80>

Why not take a stop over? We did that on our trips to Indonesia several 
times.
My personal favorit was Hong Kong. It's amazing how they build parts of this 
city on those steep hills/mountains.
Next January we will be doing a stopover in Dubai.
Actually I have been looking at ticket prices from Indonesia to OZ but it's 
fairy expensive.

Harry


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>; <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2012 9:19 PM
Subject: [SEL] Flights from Oz to the UK


> Hi Folks,
>
> Have any of you flown from Oz to the UK?
> In starting the search for flights, what I'm seeing is
> seriously UGLY.  Not the price; the travel duration.
>
> What I'm seeing are two-stop flights with travel
> durations of 25 to 35 hours.  Bleuch!
>
> Have any of you done that trip with a more human-friendly
> travel duration?
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
>
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From maytagtwin at aol.com  Sun Sep  9 02:54:20 2012
From: maytagtwin at aol.com (maytagtwin at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2012 05:54:20 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Joining the smokers
In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD4148E350527@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
References: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD4148E24A00D@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
	<c879262967d6c4674d445a969078cc95.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com>
	<8CF5932698EE077-1EFC-C52A@webmail-d045.sysops.aol.com>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD4148E350527@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
Message-ID: <8CF5C88379BFCD0-1860-3314D@webmail-m041.sysops.aol.com>


Hi George,
Your old can of Maytag oil should be OK so long as it has had the lid on it over the years.

Regarding differences between 2 cycle oil and 30 wt non-detergent, I know that one costs much more than the other.  For about three summers we enjoyed running a small cabin cruiser equipped with two "Big Twin" 35 HP Evinrude engines.  I soon began ordering 30 wt non-detergent from a Mobil Oil distributor in 5 gallon cans as it cut the oil cost by more than half.

In the past 20 years I have see some discussion of the difference between oil for water cooled outboard engines and air cooled chain saws with the chain saw oil being able to function at higher temperature.  If you are going to "work" your Maytag Engine, I suggest the chain saw oil.  Otherwise, outboard or 30 wt. non-detergent should suffice. 

Also, as with any small, pull or kick start engine that just happens to have a pulley exposed, I recommend you set up a 1/2 hp electric motor, 1750 rpm in such a manner that you can run a belt from it to your Maytag engine.  An old mechanic from back in the 1950's suggested that when I brought an old Briggs WM to him for help in geting it started.  He has me spinning the Briggs with the electric motor while making adjustments to the fuel mix until the Briggs gave up being stubborn and started running.  No cussing involved.

Regards,
Ron

.  






-----Original Message-----
From: Best, George <George.Best at adp.com>
To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wed, Sep 5, 2012 10:40 am
Subject: Re: [SEL] Joining the smokers


Ron,
>From years of reading Dave's and Arnie's Maytag postings, I'm well aware their 
ix ratio should not be used unless you want a boat anchor.
The engine I spotted is a single cylinder one, but I didn't check it close 
nough to see what model it is.
Any problem in using 2-cycle oil mixed with the gas rather than 30w ND?

mmmm.... just remembered I actually have a real nice 1 gallon Maytag oil can 
nd it actually still has some oil in it.  Shouldn't be any problem if I use 
hat oil.    Don't remember now where I got that can, but am fairly certain it 
as original oil in it.
George
-----Original Message-----
rom: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] 
n Behalf Of maytagtwin at aol.com
ent: Tuesday, September 04, 2012 9:03 PM
o: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
ubject: Re: [SEL] Joining the smokers

i George,
First, I wish to commend you for having the good sense to bring this poor orphan 
aytag Engine into your shop.  You have a physical reminder of an important 
tage of development of our nation's quality of life.  Prior to the advent of 
he Maytag Engine many folks who even bothered to wash their clothing, would do 
t by stirring the clothes with a stick in a pot of boiling water, with lye soap 
sed to reduce surface tension.  Since birth control was not yet freely 
vailable from the government, the children in the family would resemble 
tairsteps and would number from 9 on up to who knows how many.  Children being 
n constant need of amusement and essentially cruel in their treatment of each 
ther, some of the littler ones were bound to be pushed into the pot from time 
o time.   Arnie and Evil Dave were lucky to have avoided such a fate.  Given 
heir disdain for the wonderful Maytag Engine their clothes probably weren't all 
hat clean, either.
But, I digress.  Second, ignore those gas/oil ratios  offered up from Evil Dave 
nd Arnie.  Go back to the traditional formula, 16 parts gasoline to one part 30 
t. non-detergent motor oil.  You can reduce the smoke considerable by running 
he engine under load.  The single cylinder model 92 has hit and miss governing 
ith constant fuel supply.  Under no load it may fire only every 15 or 20 
evolutions so you can see considerable gas/oil mix is pumping through the 
ngine creating a smoky exhaust.
So, do be kind to your fine little Maytag Engine.
Regards,
on Carroll
learmont, MO    


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From rotigel at me.com  Sun Sep  9 04:16:33 2012
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2012 07:16:33 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Joining the smokers
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References: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD4148E24A00D@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
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A GOOD point Ron! In fact I believe that this is the same way that the ladies on the farm (the ones that were not so inbred that they just kept kicking until the wash was done) _attempted_ to start MAYTAG MOTORS in the early part of the last century! (As time passed the inbred women evolved into DEMOCRATS! See: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/debbie-wasserman-schultzs-false-accusation-of-a-misquote/2012/09/05/bde6f37c-f78d-11e1-8398-0327ab83ab91_blog.html and http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2012/09/pelosi-denies-muting-obama-on-phone-call/1?csp=34news#.UEx6SKRWo2V)
	Dave
PS, Unlike the Briggs, it never really worked with MAYTAGS, so they just left the electric motors on the machines!

On Sep 9, 2012, at 5:54 AM, maytagtwin at aol.com wrote:

> 
> Hi George,
> 
> Also, as with any small, pull or kick start engine that just happens to have a pulley exposed, I recommend you set up a 1/2 hp electric motor, 1750 rpm in such a manner that you can run a belt from it to your Maytag engine.  An old mechanic from back in the 1950's suggested that when I brought an old Briggs WM to him for help in geting it started.  He has me spinning the Briggs with the electric motor while making adjustments to the fuel mix until the Briggs gave up being stubborn and started running.  No cussing involved.
> 
> Regards,
> Ron
> 
> .  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Best, George <George.Best at adp.com>
> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wed, Sep 5, 2012 10:40 am
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Joining the smokers
> 
> 
> Ron,
>> From years of reading Dave's and Arnie's Maytag postings, I'm well aware their 
> ix ratio should not be used unless you want a boat anchor.
> The engine I spotted is a single cylinder one, but I didn't check it close 
> nough to see what model it is.
> Any problem in using 2-cycle oil mixed with the gas rather than 30w ND?
> 
> mmmm.... just remembered I actually have a real nice 1 gallon Maytag oil can 
> nd it actually still has some oil in it.  Shouldn't be any problem if I use 
> hat oil.    Don't remember now where I got that can, but am fairly certain it 
> as original oil in it.
> George
> -----Original Message-----
> rom: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] 
> n Behalf Of maytagtwin at aol.com
> ent: Tuesday, September 04, 2012 9:03 PM
> o: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> ubject: Re: [SEL] Joining the smokers
> 
> i George,
> First, I wish to commend you for having the good sense to bring this poor orphan 
> aytag Engine into your shop.  You have a physical reminder of an important 
> tage of development of our nation's quality of life.  Prior to the advent of 
> he Maytag Engine many folks who even bothered to wash their clothing, would do 
> t by stirring the clothes with a stick in a pot of boiling water, with lye soap 
> sed to reduce surface tension.  Since birth control was not yet freely 
> vailable from the government, the children in the family would resemble 
> tairsteps and would number from 9 on up to who knows how many.  Children being 
> n constant need of amusement and essentially cruel in their treatment of each 
> ther, some of the littler ones were bound to be pushed into the pot from time 
> o time.   Arnie and Evil Dave were lucky to have avoided such a fate.  Given 
> heir disdain for the wonderful Maytag Engine their clothes probably weren't all 
> hat clean, either.
> But, I digress.  Second, ignore those gas/oil ratios  offered up from Evil Dave 
> nd Arnie.  Go back to the traditional formula, 16 parts gasoline to one part 30 
> t. non-detergent motor oil.  You can reduce the smoke considerable by running 
> he engine under load.  The single cylinder model 92 has hit and miss governing 
> ith constant fuel supply.  Under no load it may fire only every 15 or 20 
> evolutions so you can see considerable gas/oil mix is pumping through the 
> ngine creating a smoky exhaust.
> So, do be kind to your fine little Maytag Engine.
> Regards,
> on Carroll
> learmont, MO    
> 
> 
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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Sun Sep  9 04:38:00 2012
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2012 06:38:00 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [SEL] Economy Engine research
Message-ID: <1471384046.411601347190679968.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>

Hi All,
Was at a small engine show yesterday and a guy brought in a 
Economy 8hp, serial: 36462.  He was told by the previous owner
that it was a Sparta Ecomony engine.  Does any one have information
on this engine so I can help him out?
thank you in advance,
Curt Andree  


From rotigel at me.com  Sun Sep  9 05:08:37 2012
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2012 08:08:37 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Economy Engine research
In-Reply-To: <1471384046.411601347190679968.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>
References: <1471384046.411601347190679968.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>
Message-ID: <116A29A1-52D4-4A50-A99B-92EDA9E62265@me.com>

According to Karch numbers from 50000 would seem to have been built in Evansville. The first 40000 Economy engines were Sparta. (ie built in Sparta MI.) The hopper design of the Sparta was VERY different that those engines built in Evansville. Glenn has a book on the Sparta engines. Keith can probably supply it. I'm sure that Marian still has some.
	Dave

On Sep 9, 2012, at 7:38 AM, cgandree at mchsi.com wrote:

> Hi All,
> Was at a small engine show yesterday and a guy brought in a 
> Economy 8hp, serial: 36462.  He was told by the previous owner
> that it was a Sparta Ecomony engine.  Does any one have information
> on this engine so I can help him out?
> thank you in advance,
> Curt Andree  
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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Sun Sep  9 05:31:48 2012
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2012 07:31:48 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [SEL] Economy Engine research
In-Reply-To: <116A29A1-52D4-4A50-A99B-92EDA9E62265@me.com>
Message-ID: <114328487.413681347193908180.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>

Thanks Dave for the quick response, kind thought I would hear from you.
Unfortunately I didn't have a camera with to take pics but the farmer doesn't live too far from me and will take a roady soon.  
Curt 
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 9, 2012 7:08:37 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Engine research

According to Karch numbers from 50000 would seem to have been built in Evansville. The first 40000 Economy engines were Sparta. (ie built in Sparta MI.) The hopper design of the Sparta was VERY different that those engines built in Evansville. Glenn has a book on the Sparta engines. Keith can probably supply it. I'm sure that Marian still has some.
	Dave

On Sep 9, 2012, at 7:38 AM, cgandree at mchsi.com wrote:

> Hi All,
> Was at a small engine show yesterday and a guy brought in a 
> Economy 8hp, serial: 36462.  He was told by the previous owner
> that it was a Sparta Ecomony engine.  Does any one have information
> on this engine so I can help him out?
> thank you in advance,
> Curt Andree  
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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Sun Sep  9 11:37:16 2012
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2012 11:37:16 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Dates for Portland show in 2013
Message-ID: <20120909.113800.1561.84385@mailpop07.vgs.untd.com>

Hi all.  
Would someone please post the dates for the 2013 Portland show .
Thanks
Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
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From Vivas1993 at aol.com  Sun Sep  9 11:47:03 2012
From: Vivas1993 at aol.com (Vivas1993 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2012 14:47:03 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Dates for Portland show in 2013
Message-ID: <20be9.5c668507.3d7e3e27@aol.com>

Hey Ron,
Aug 21 thru the 25.
Wife & I went for the first time last month, we plan on being there  next 
year too ! 
 
Dwight Vivas
Matoaca, VA
 
 
In a message dated 9/9/2012 2:40:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
rdhaskell at juno.com writes:

Hi  all.  
Would someone please post the dates for the 2013 Portland show  .
Thanks
Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California  USA
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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Sun Sep  9 14:27:32 2012
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2012 14:27:32 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Dates for Portland show in 2013
Message-ID: <20120909.142740.1558.123223@mailpop10.vgs.untd.com>

Thanks Dwight.
Need to go again.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell

On Sun, 9 Sep 2012 14:47:03 -0400 (EDT) Vivas1993 at aol.com writes:
> Hey Ron,
> Aug 21 thru the 25.
> Wife & I went for the first time last month, we plan on being there  
> next 
> year too ! 
>  
> Dwight Vivas
> Matoaca, VA
>  
>  
> In a message dated 9/9/2012 2:40:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
> rdhaskell at juno.com writes:
> 
> Hi  all.  
> Would someone please post the dates for the 2013 Portland show  .
> Thanks
____________________________________________________________
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Mom reveals 1 simple wrinkle trick that has angered doctors...
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From rotigel at me.com  Sun Sep  9 16:50:25 2012
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2012 19:50:25 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Economy Engine research
In-Reply-To: <114328487.413681347193908180.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>
References: <114328487.413681347193908180.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>
Message-ID: <8CE316FE-42C2-44FF-8B77-9ECF0A06055E@me.com>

Keith has some good info/pictures at http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/econ_pics.html
	Dave

On Sep 9, 2012, at 8:31 AM, cgandree at mchsi.com wrote:

> Thanks Dave for the quick response, kind thought I would hear from you.
> Unfortunately I didn't have a camera with to take pics but the farmer doesn't live too far from me and will take a roady soon.  
> Curt 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Sunday, September 9, 2012 7:08:37 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Engine research
> 
> According to Karch numbers from 50000 would seem to have been built in Evansville. The first 40000 Economy engines were Sparta. (ie built in Sparta MI.) The hopper design of the Sparta was VERY different that those engines built in Evansville. Glenn has a book on the Sparta engines. Keith can probably supply it. I'm sure that Marian still has some.
> 	Dave
> 
> On Sep 9, 2012, at 7:38 AM, cgandree at mchsi.com wrote:
> 
>> Hi All,
>> Was at a small engine show yesterday and a guy brought in a 
>> Economy 8hp, serial: 36462.  He was told by the previous owner
>> that it was a Sparta Ecomony engine.  Does any one have information
>> on this engine so I can help him out?
>> thank you in advance,
>> Curt Andree  
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Mon Sep 10 05:51:09 2012
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 07:51:09 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [SEL] Economy Engine research
In-Reply-To: <8CE316FE-42C2-44FF-8B77-9ECF0A06055E@me.com>
Message-ID: <1422443719.524871347281469408.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>

Hey Dave Ive lost Keith's email, please forward it to me.
thanks again,
Curt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 9, 2012 6:50:25 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Engine research

Keith has some good info/pictures at http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/econ_pics.html
	Dave

On Sep 9, 2012, at 8:31 AM, cgandree at mchsi.com wrote:

> Thanks Dave for the quick response, kind thought I would hear from you.
> Unfortunately I didn't have a camera with to take pics but the farmer doesn't live too far from me and will take a roady soon.  
> Curt 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Sunday, September 9, 2012 7:08:37 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Engine research
> 
> According to Karch numbers from 50000 would seem to have been built in Evansville. The first 40000 Economy engines were Sparta. (ie built in Sparta MI.) The hopper design of the Sparta was VERY different that those engines built in Evansville. Glenn has a book on the Sparta engines. Keith can probably supply it. I'm sure that Marian still has some.
> 	Dave
> 
> On Sep 9, 2012, at 7:38 AM, cgandree at mchsi.com wrote:
> 
>> Hi All,
>> Was at a small engine show yesterday and a guy brought in a 
>> Economy 8hp, serial: 36462.  He was told by the previous owner
>> that it was a Sparta Ecomony engine.  Does any one have information
>> on this engine so I can help him out?
>> thank you in advance,
>> Curt Andree  
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
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From rotigel at me.com  Mon Sep 10 11:00:40 2012
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 14:00:40 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Economy Engine research
In-Reply-To: <1422443719.524871347281469408.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>
References: <1422443719.524871347281469408.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>
Message-ID: <5E21DE30-D587-44D1-9CBB-119A25F07C4A@me.com>

About the middle of this page   http://herculesengines.com/hercules/default.htm   in blue.
	Dave

On Sep 10, 2012, at 8:51 AM, cgandree at mchsi.com wrote:

> Hey Dave Ive lost Keith's email, please forward it to me.
> thanks again,
> Curt
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Sunday, September 9, 2012 6:50:25 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Engine research
> 
> Keith has some good info/pictures at http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/econ_pics.html
> 	Dave
> 
> On Sep 9, 2012, at 8:31 AM, cgandree at mchsi.com wrote:
> 
>> Thanks Dave for the quick response, kind thought I would hear from you.
>> Unfortunately I didn't have a camera with to take pics but the farmer doesn't live too far from me and will take a roady soon.  
>> Curt 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, September 9, 2012 7:08:37 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Engine research
>> 
>> According to Karch numbers from 50000 would seem to have been built in Evansville. The first 40000 Economy engines were Sparta. (ie built in Sparta MI.) The hopper design of the Sparta was VERY different that those engines built in Evansville. Glenn has a book on the Sparta engines. Keith can probably supply it. I'm sure that Marian still has some.
>> 	Dave
>> 
>> On Sep 9, 2012, at 7:38 AM, cgandree at mchsi.com wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>> Was at a small engine show yesterday and a guy brought in a 
>>> Economy 8hp, serial: 36462.  He was told by the previous owner
>>> that it was a Sparta Ecomony engine.  Does any one have information
>>> on this engine so I can help him out?
>>> thank you in advance,
>>> Curt Andree  
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SEL mailing list
>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Tue Sep 11 05:10:05 2012
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 07:10:05 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [SEL] Economy Engine research
In-Reply-To: <5E21DE30-D587-44D1-9CBB-119A25F07C4A@me.com>
Message-ID: <365371950.706181347365405105.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>

Found it Dave, thanks again.
Curt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 1:00:40 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Engine research

About the middle of this page   http://herculesengines.com/hercules/default.htm   in blue.
	Dave

On Sep 10, 2012, at 8:51 AM, cgandree at mchsi.com wrote:

> Hey Dave Ive lost Keith's email, please forward it to me.
> thanks again,
> Curt
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Sunday, September 9, 2012 6:50:25 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Engine research
> 
> Keith has some good info/pictures at http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/econ_pics.html
> 	Dave
> 
> On Sep 9, 2012, at 8:31 AM, cgandree at mchsi.com wrote:
> 
>> Thanks Dave for the quick response, kind thought I would hear from you.
>> Unfortunately I didn't have a camera with to take pics but the farmer doesn't live too far from me and will take a roady soon.  
>> Curt 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, September 9, 2012 7:08:37 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Engine research
>> 
>> According to Karch numbers from 50000 would seem to have been built in Evansville. The first 40000 Economy engines were Sparta. (ie built in Sparta MI.) The hopper design of the Sparta was VERY different that those engines built in Evansville. Glenn has a book on the Sparta engines. Keith can probably supply it. I'm sure that Marian still has some.
>> 	Dave
>> 
>> On Sep 9, 2012, at 7:38 AM, cgandree at mchsi.com wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>> Was at a small engine show yesterday and a guy brought in a 
>>> Economy 8hp, serial: 36462.  He was told by the previous owner
>>> that it was a Sparta Ecomony engine.  Does any one have information
>>> on this engine so I can help him out?
>>> thank you in advance,
>>> Curt Andree  
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SEL mailing list
>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Wed Sep 12 05:11:12 2012
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 22:11:12 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Sydney Rally
Message-ID: <CC76B900.F0E4%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

Our club's rally is this weekend and it is looking like a good one. The
Austral is all ready to go onto the trailer for the trip to the showground.
There should be a few list members turn up :)
Patrick

Patrick M Livingstone
0418 692013
Earlwood NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From kast13iron at yahoo.com  Wed Sep 12 09:50:19 2012
From: kast13iron at yahoo.com (J)
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 09:50:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Model Steamer Missing / Stolen?
Message-ID: <1347468619.74453.YahooMailClassic@web140701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Just passing on this post from Smokstak 
?
http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=109722

From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Sep 12 15:34:49 2012
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 18:34:49 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] September 29th is an Open House at the Tod Engine
Message-ID: <f611df509d9a6903b5b890fa736fc439.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com>

September 29th is an Open House at the Tod Engine.
http://www.todengine.org/

Finally after sixteen years of work the Tod Engine finally will be opened
to the public! Join us as we show off the work accomplished thus far and
discuss the work ahead of us as we begin the mechanical restoration of the
Tod Engine with a goal of returning it to operation by September, 2014.

On Saturday, September 29 the Youngstown Steel Heritage Foundation will be
holding an open house at the Tod Engine Heritage Park in Youngstown.  Come
see our collection of historic Youngstown steelmaking equipment being
restored for our future steelmaking museum. Our collection consists of a
260 ton, 4000 horsepower rolling mill steam engine, the oldest operable
electric overhead crane in the US, a Kling type hot metal car, GE 70 ton
centercab locomotive, 175 ton teeming ladle, ingot mold and numerous other
artifacts from Youngstown?s steel industry.

The event will be held from 10 am until 3 pm with lunch being served at
noon.  Lunch will consist of authentic ethnic food including pierogies,
Haluski and burgers cooked on a grill fired with coke made at the YS&T
Campbell Works coke plant.

Rick Rowlands
Youngstown Steel Heritage Foundation
2261 Hubbard Road
Youngstown, OH  44505
330-272-4089




From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Sun Sep 16 04:47:33 2012
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 21:47:33 +1000
Subject: [SEL] 2012 Sydney Rally
Message-ID: <CC7BF975.F12F%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

Some pics from the weekend's rally here in Sydney. Probably one of the
biggest we have had at Clarendon. Some pics at:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/samc2012/index.htm

Patrick M Livingstone
0418 692013
Earlwood NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From rotigel at me.com  Sun Sep 16 04:56:10 2012
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 07:56:10 -0400
Subject: [SEL] 2012 Sydney Rally
In-Reply-To: <CC7BF975.F12F%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
References: <CC7BF975.F12F%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4E47DCFA-5716-4619-AA70-7AB1E65464B5@me.com>

That Ballarat Bulldog is just about as pretty a little thing as I have ever seen!
	Dave

On Sep 16, 2012, at 7:47 AM, Patrick Livingstone wrote:

> Some pics from the weekend's rally here in Sydney. Probably one of the
> biggest we have had at Clarendon. Some pics at:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/samc2012/index.htm
> 
> Patrick M Livingstone
> 0418 692013
> Earlwood NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
> 



From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun Sep 16 05:01:54 2012
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 08:01:54 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] 2012 Sydney Rally
Message-ID: <10ee1.712a496a.3d8719b2@aol.com>



 
In a message dated 9/16/2012 7:50:54 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
patrick.livingstone at gmail.com writes:

Probably one of the
biggest we have had at  Clarendon.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----------------------------------------------------------------
 
Patrick,
 
As always, some great show pictures of the old engines from you.   Must be 
one mighty nice show to attend.  Also, one fine looking chap  starting young 
in the repair business!  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord, Va.  
germoamer at aol.com




From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sun Sep 16 06:23:50 2012
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 09:23:50 -0400
Subject: [SEL] 2012 Sydney Rally
In-Reply-To: <4E47DCFA-5716-4619-AA70-7AB1E65464B5@me.com>
References: <CC7BF975.F12F%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<4E47DCFA-5716-4619-AA70-7AB1E65464B5@me.com>
Message-ID: <F0F13C78-9E97-4169-B411-52E241857E46@scrtc.com>

The curved spokes add to it's eye appeal for sure!

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


 Sent from my iPad

On Sep 16, 2012, at 7:56 AM, Dave Rotigel <rotigel at me.com> wrote:

> That Ballarat Bulldog is just about as pretty a little thing as I have ever seen!
>    Dave
> 
> On Sep 16, 2012, at 7:47 AM, Patrick Livingstone wrote:
> 
>> Some pics from the weekend's rally here in Sydney. Probably one of the
>> biggest we have had at Clarendon. Some pics at:
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/samc2012/index.htm
>> 
>> Patrick M Livingstone
>> 
>> 



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sun Sep 16 08:01:26 2012
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 11:01:26 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Museum Find with Many Lorenz & Benz Engines
Message-ID: <706d9c27962507e542ce2c798dcd7b6b.squirrel@mail.realprodata.com>

This museum has got an incredible collection of stationary
engines.
http://www.starestroje.cz/stroje.stabilni.zemedelsky.spalovaci.motor.php

Unless you read Czech, use Google Translate for full enjoyment.

I was delighted to find 18 Lorenz and two Benz engines to add
to the registry.  Two of the Lorenz and both of the Benz engines
are the very early ignitor-fired variety.  Other unusual Lorenz
engines include the first factory water pumping outfit I've seen
and the largest Lorenz I've seen at 25-30 hp!

http://www.starestroje.cz/fotoalbum.php?adresar=/motory/Lorenz
http://www.starestroje.cz/fotoalbum.php?adresar=/motory/Benz

And then there's this cute little Hedgehog.  8-))
http://www.starestroje.cz/fotoalbum.php?adresar=/motory/Jezek

Enjoy!

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com






From mr at carolina.rr.com  Sun Sep 16 09:30:40 2012
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 12:30:40 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Museum Find with Many Lorenz & Benz Engines
In-Reply-To: <706d9c27962507e542ce2c798dcd7b6b.squirrel@mail.realprodata.com>
References: <706d9c27962507e542ce2c798dcd7b6b.squirrel@mail.realprodata.com>
Message-ID: <F0CE8E2838AE4797973F8CA4EDE634F4@RoysterPC>

Good find Arnie!!!!!!!!!

-----Original Message----- 
From: Arnie Fero 
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 11:01 AM 
To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org ; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com 
Subject: Museum Find with Many Lorenz & Benz Engines 

This museum has got an incredible collection of stationary
engines.
http://www.starestroje.cz/stroje.stabilni.zemedelsky.spalovaci.motor.php

Unless you read Czech, use Google Translate for full enjoyment.

I was delighted to find 18 Lorenz and two Benz engines to add
to the registry.  Two of the Lorenz and both of the Benz engines
are the very early ignitor-fired variety.  Other unusual Lorenz
engines include the first factory water pumping outfit I've seen
and the largest Lorenz I've seen at 25-30 hp!

http://www.starestroje.cz/fotoalbum.php?adresar=/motory/Lorenz
http://www.starestroje.cz/fotoalbum.php?adresar=/motory/Benz

And then there's this cute little Hedgehog.  8-))
http://www.starestroje.cz/fotoalbum.php?adresar=/motory/Jezek

Enjoy!

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com





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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sun Sep 16 09:48:10 2012
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 12:48:10 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Museum Find with Many Lorenz & Benz Engines
Message-ID: <d39654876ad5f0f63e29124dac8bd8bd.squirrel@mail.realprodata.com>

There's more!!

They have a great set of Lorenz engine history pages.
http://www.starestroje.cz/historie/historie.lorenz.osudy.php
http://www.starestroje.cz/historie/historie.lorenz.motory.php
http://www.starestroje.cz/historie/stacionarni.motory.lorenz.php
http://www.starestroje.cz/historie/historie.lorenz.magneton.php

And they sell some parts for Lorenz engines and they sell
brass engine tags for Lorenz, Benz, and other Czech-built engines.
http://www.starestroje.cz/fotoalbum.php?adresar=/prodej/nahradni.dily-stitky

See ya,  Arnie

On Sun, September 16, 2012 11:01 am, Arnie Fero wrote:
> This museum has got an incredible collection of stationary
> engines.
> http://www.starestroje.cz
>




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sun Sep 16 11:18:46 2012
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 14:18:46 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] 2012 Sydney Rally
In-Reply-To: <CC7BF975.F12F%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
References: <CC7BF975.F12F%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <370b38349a4115a786fead00ca901570.squirrel@mail.realprodata.com>

Patrick, that's a couple of sweet looking half-breeds there.
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/samc2012/pages/2012cc%20016_jpg.htm
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/samc2012/pages/2012cc%20021_jpg.htm

Any idea how they got to Oz?

See ya,  Arnie

On Sun, September 16, 2012 7:47 am, Patrick Livingstone wrote:
> Some pics from the weekend's rally here in Sydney. Probably one of the
> biggest we have had at Clarendon. Some pics at:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/samc2012/index.htm
>




From rotigel at me.com  Sun Sep 16 11:32:37 2012
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 14:32:37 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Museum Find with Many Lorenz & Benz Engines
In-Reply-To: <706d9c27962507e542ce2c798dcd7b6b.squirrel@mail.realprodata.com>
References: <706d9c27962507e542ce2c798dcd7b6b.squirrel@mail.realprodata.com>
Message-ID: <4A3794FD-FE20-467F-AD42-EE51FDE8BE63@me.com>

I LOVE the title under the two guys on the main page with the large engine. If my Czech/English translation is correct "dobov? fotografie stabiln?ho motoru p?i pr?ci na stavb?" roughly translates to "These damn things are all female!"
	Dave

On Sep 16, 2012, at 11:01 AM, Arnie Fero wrote:

> This museum has got an incredible collection of stationary
> engines.
> http://www.starestroje.cz/stroje.stabilni.zemedelsky.spalovaci.motor.php
> 
> Unless you read Czech, use Google Translate for full enjoyment.
> 
> I was delighted to find 18 Lorenz and two Benz engines to add
> to the registry.  Two of the Lorenz and both of the Benz engines
> are the very early ignitor-fired variety.  Other unusual Lorenz
> engines include the first factory water pumping outfit I've seen
> and the largest Lorenz I've seen at 25-30 hp!
> 
> http://www.starestroje.cz/fotoalbum.php?adresar=/motory/Lorenz
> http://www.starestroje.cz/fotoalbum.php?adresar=/motory/Benz
> 
> And then there's this cute little Hedgehog.  8-))
> http://www.starestroje.cz/fotoalbum.php?adresar=/motory/Jezek
> 
> Enjoy!
> 
> See ya,  Arnie
> 
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA
> fero_ah at city-net.com
> 
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From rob at rustyiron.com  Sun Sep 16 11:58:10 2012
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 11:58:10 -0700
Subject: [SEL] 2012 Sydney Rally
In-Reply-To: <370b38349a4115a786fead00ca901570.squirrel@mail.realprodata.com>
References: <CC7BF975.F12F%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<370b38349a4115a786fead00ca901570.squirrel@mail.realprodata.com>
Message-ID: <CE27B78D-24EE-4B3B-9640-D84757E4E919@rustyiron.com>


On Sep 16, 2012, at 11:18 AM, Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:

> Patrick, that's a couple of sweet looking half-breeds there.
> 
> Any idea how they got to Oz?


Here?s a little more on the Gibbs & Russell:
http://www.rustyiron.com/Articles/bouma'sone-of-a-.html




From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun Sep 16 12:04:28 2012
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 15:04:28 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Museum Find with Many Lorenz & Benz Engines
Message-ID: <54853.595513d4.3d877cbb@aol.com>



 
In a message dated 9/16/2012 2:40:33 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
rotigel at me.com writes:

These damn things are all female!"
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
---------------------------


Maybe  Dave, but did you notice how they had that engine seriously staked 
in  place.  Must have been a semi-permanent setup.

Tom  Schmutz
Concord, Va.  
germoamer at aol.com



From rotigel at me.com  Sun Sep 16 12:56:22 2012
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 15:56:22 -0400
Subject: [SEL] 2012 Sydney Rally
In-Reply-To: <F0F13C78-9E97-4169-B411-52E241857E46@scrtc.com>
References: <CC7BF975.F12F%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<4E47DCFA-5716-4619-AA70-7AB1E65464B5@me.com>
	<F0F13C78-9E97-4169-B411-52E241857E46@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <CD153510-4D70-4D4B-BDC1-91B64C5BE2F6@me.com>

Yes! Something we all all agree on is that "curves" are nice! (Arnie and I have long said that they are the BEST part of engine shows!)
	Dave

On Sep 16, 2012, at 9:23 AM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote:

> The curved spokes add to it's eye appeal for sure!
> 
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On Sep 16, 2012, at 7:56 AM, Dave Rotigel <rotigel at me.com> wrote:
> 
>> That Ballarat Bulldog is just about as pretty a little thing as I have ever seen!
>>   Dave
>> 
>> On Sep 16, 2012, at 7:47 AM, Patrick Livingstone wrote:
>> 
>>> Some pics from the weekend's rally here in Sydney. Probably one of the
>>> biggest we have had at Clarendon. Some pics at:
>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/samc2012/index.htm
>>> 
>>> Patrick M Livingstone
>>> 
>>> 
> 
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From russell at ncable.com.au  Sun Sep 16 16:49:25 2012
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 09:49:25 +1000
Subject: [SEL] 2012 Sydney Rally
In-Reply-To: <370b38349a4115a786fead00ca901570.squirrel@mail.realprodata.com>
References: <CC7BF975.F12F%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<370b38349a4115a786fead00ca901570.squirrel@mail.realprodata.com>
Message-ID: <AC7098BF-8701-42B8-BEA9-ED1F329A9456@ncable.com.au>

Arnie they came via a boat!


On 17/09/2012, at 4:18 AM, Arnie Fero wrote:

> Patrick, that's a couple of sweet looking half-breeds there.
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/samc2012/pages/2012cc%20016_jpg.htm
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/samc2012/pages/2012cc%20021_jpg.htm
> 
> Any idea how they got to Oz?
> 
> See ya,  Arnie
> 
> On Sun, September 16, 2012 7:47 am, Patrick Livingstone wrote:
>> Some pics from the weekend's rally here in Sydney. Probably one of the
>> biggest we have had at Clarendon. Some pics at:
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/samc2012/index.htm
>> 
> 
> 
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From russell at ncable.com.au  Sun Sep 16 16:51:10 2012
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 09:51:10 +1000
Subject: [SEL] 2012 Sydney Rally
In-Reply-To: <CC7BF975.F12F%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
References: <CC7BF975.F12F%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ABDF2196-B752-4D3B-A4DA-3F8F4DF02AA0@ncable.com.au>

Patrick any idea on the asking price of the Ballarat Bulldog?

I wonder how many have survived.
Russell

On 16/09/2012, at 9:47 PM, Patrick Livingstone wrote:

> Some pics from the weekend's rally here in Sydney. Probably one of the
> biggest we have had at Clarendon. Some pics at:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/samc2012/index.htm
> 
> Patrick M Livingstone
> 0418 692013
> Earlwood NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
> 
> 
> 
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From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Sun Sep 16 17:07:05 2012
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 10:07:05 +1000
Subject: [SEL] 2012 Sydney Rally
In-Reply-To: <ABDF2196-B752-4D3B-A4DA-3F8F4DF02AA0@ncable.com.au>
References: <CC7BF975.F12F%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<ABDF2196-B752-4D3B-A4DA-3F8F4DF02AA0@ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <890B3C1C-090A-408D-8193-4B7333AA3377@gmail.com>

Hi russel. He is asking $8000 for the Bulldog. One flywheel has a cracked hub. I have only seen 2 of them and they supposedly only made 60 of them. 
Patrick

Sent from my iPhone

On 17/09/2012, at 9:51, Russell <russell at ncable.com.au> wrote:

> Patrick any idea on the asking price of the Ballarat Bulldog?
> 
> I wonder how many have survived.
> Russell
> 
> On 16/09/2012, at 9:47 PM, Patrick Livingstone wrote:
> 
>> Some pics from the weekend's rally here in Sydney. Probably one of the
>> biggest we have had at Clarendon. Some pics at:
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/samc2012/index.htm
>> 
>> Patrick M Livingstone
>> 0418 692013
>> Earlwood NSW
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From russell at ncable.com.au  Sun Sep 16 17:15:36 2012
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 10:15:36 +1000
Subject: [SEL] 2012 Sydney Rally
In-Reply-To: <890B3C1C-090A-408D-8193-4B7333AA3377@gmail.com>
References: <CC7BF975.F12F%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<ABDF2196-B752-4D3B-A4DA-3F8F4DF02AA0@ncable.com.au>
	<890B3C1C-090A-408D-8193-4B7333AA3377@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8C8310BB-7DE8-4F90-A93D-418379F34831@ncable.com.au>

Do you know of further info on them; what sizes they made; curved or straight spokes, were they all push rod engines?
Russell

On 17/09/2012, at 10:07 AM, Patrick Livingstone wrote:

> Hi russel. He is asking $8000 for the Bulldog. One flywheel has a cracked hub. I have only seen 2 of them and they supposedly only made 60 of them. 
> Patrick
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 17/09/2012, at 9:51, Russell <russell at ncable.com.au> wrote:
> 
>> Patrick any idea on the asking price of the Ballarat Bulldog?
>> 
>> I wonder how many have survived.
>> Russell
>> 
>> On 16/09/2012, at 9:47 PM, Patrick Livingstone wrote:
>> 
>>> Some pics from the weekend's rally here in Sydney. Probably one of the
>>> biggest we have had at Clarendon. Some pics at:
>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/samc2012/index.htm
>>> 
>>> Patrick M Livingstone
>>> 0418 692013
>>> Earlwood NSW
>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Sun Sep 16 19:12:53 2012
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 12:12:53 +1000
Subject: [SEL] 2012 Sydney Rally
In-Reply-To: <10ee1.712a496a.3d8719b2@aol.com>
Message-ID: <CC7CC445.F14F%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

Samuel makes me proud. With no prompting he just grabs the tools and
attempts to help.
It is a worry when he gets hold of the hammer...
Patrick


On 16/9/12 10:01 PM, "Germoamer at aol.com" <Germoamer at aol.com> wrote:

> 
> 
>  
> In a message dated 9/16/2012 7:50:54 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> patrick.livingstone at gmail.com writes:
> 
> Probably one of the
> biggest we have had at  Clarendon.
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
>  
> Patrick,
>  
> As always, some great show pictures of the old engines from you.   Must be
> one mighty nice show to attend.  Also, one fine looking chap  starting young
> in the repair business!
> 
> Tom  Schmutz
> Concord, Va.  
> germoamer at aol.com
> 
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sun Sep 16 20:54:17 2012
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 23:54:17 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Museum Find with Many Lorenz & Benz Engines
In-Reply-To: <4A3794FD-FE20-467F-AD42-EE51FDE8BE63@me.com>
References: <706d9c27962507e542ce2c798dcd7b6b.squirrel@mail.realprodata.com>
	<4A3794FD-FE20-467F-AD42-EE51FDE8BE63@me.com>
Message-ID: <3531ec17666ec4f527efb382239fc152.squirrel@mail.realprodata.com>

ROFLMAO!!  True dat...

On Sun, September 16, 2012 2:32 pm, Dave Rotigel wrote:
> I LOVE the title under the two guys on the main page with the large
> engine. If my Czech/English translation is correct "dobov?? fotografie
> stabiln??ho motoru p??i pr??ci na stavb??" roughly translates to "These
> damn things are all female!"
> 	Dave




From George.Best at adp.com  Mon Sep 17 08:12:18 2012
From: George.Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 10:12:18 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Museum Find with Many Lorenz & Benz Engines
In-Reply-To: <706d9c27962507e542ce2c798dcd7b6b.squirrel@mail.realprodata.com>
References: <706d9c27962507e542ce2c798dcd7b6b.squirrel@mail.realprodata.com>
Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD4148EE9A258@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>

I won't say "Nice find!" like some others, as I also get emails from Zednek and a LOT OF PHOTOS about museums, shows, collections in the Czech Republic.

I do plan on visiting this museum next May prior to the Nuenen show.  So if anyone needs brass tags for their Czech engines, I can possibly pick up a few and have them at Nuenen or mail them to people after I return home from that trip.

I've been exchanging emails with Zednek for as long as Arnie and hope to actually meet him next May.  I've been impressed with the photos he keeps sending me as there are a lot more early Czech engines in that country than I was originally led to believe by some of the other European engine collectors.

George

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Arnie Fero
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 8:01 AM
To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] Museum Find with Many Lorenz & Benz Engines

This museum has got an incredible collection of stationary engines.
http://www.starestroje.cz/stroje.stabilni.zemedelsky.spalovaci.motor.php

Unless you read Czech, use Google Translate for full enjoyment.

I was delighted to find 18 Lorenz and two Benz engines to add to the registry.  Two of the Lorenz and both of the Benz engines are the very early ignitor-fired variety.  Other unusual Lorenz engines include the first factory water pumping outfit I've seen and the largest Lorenz I've seen at 25-30 hp!

http://www.starestroje.cz/fotoalbum.php?adresar=/motory/Lorenz
http://www.starestroje.cz/fotoalbum.php?adresar=/motory/Benz

And then there's this cute little Hedgehog.  8-)) http://www.starestroje.cz/fotoalbum.php?adresar=/motory/Jezek

Enjoy!

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com




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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Sep 19 06:51:33 2012
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 09:51:33 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] 1988 Crossley-Otto Slide Valve Piano Base 2 hp
Message-ID: <596e049bc90c4b4c1759372e0d99eb99.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com>

Hi Folks,

Got an interesting auction catalog in the mail from Aumann Auctions.

It's for the Lake Side Farms Tractor & Engine Collection.
http://www.aumannauctions.com/index.php?subp=1&sct=2&pg=ap&pid=26647
http://www.aumannauctions.com/index.php?subp=1&sct=2&pg=ap&pid=25724
The catalog is here...
http://www.aumann.streamlineftp.com/issue1/index.html

There are a lot of really neat engines and tractors in the auction,
but the Crossley-Otto Slide Valve really caught my eye.

Anyone want to speculate on what it might sell for?
I'm guessing well north of $100K.

Tommy, do you plan to attend this auction?  8-))

See ya,  Arnie




From George.Best at adp.com  Wed Sep 19 07:17:16 2012
From: George.Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 09:17:16 -0500
Subject: [SEL] 1887 Crossley-Otto Slide Valve Piano Base 2 hp
Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD4148F1E50E6@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>

Arnie,

I'm sure it will go north of $150k.
What I wonder, is if it will be staying in this country.
If it does leave the country, I hope it is shown at Nuenen next year.

It should be top dollar engine for the auction.

Will also be interesting to see what the big Mogul tractor goes for. 
I could also be in the same price area as the piano base Crossley.

George

Ps. It's not a 1988 engine as indicated in the subject line ;-)

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Arnie Fero
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 6:52 AM
To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] 1988 Crossley-Otto Slide Valve Piano Base 2 hp

Hi Folks,

Got an interesting auction catalog in the mail from Aumann Auctions.

It's for the Lake Side Farms Tractor & Engine Collection.
http://www.aumannauctions.com/index.php?subp=1&sct=2&pg=ap&pid=26647
http://www.aumannauctions.com/index.php?subp=1&sct=2&pg=ap&pid=25724
The catalog is here...
http://www.aumann.streamlineftp.com/issue1/index.html

There are a lot of really neat engines and tractors in the auction, but the Crossley-Otto Slide Valve really caught my eye.

Anyone want to speculate on what it might sell for?
I'm guessing well north of $100K.

Tommy, do you plan to attend this auction?  8-))

See ya,  Arnie


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From Lcjudge at scrtc.com  Wed Sep 19 07:22:29 2012
From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Tommy Turner)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 10:22:29 -0400
Subject: [SEL] 1988 Crossley-Otto Slide Valve Piano Base 2 hp
In-Reply-To: <596e049bc90c4b4c1759372e0d99eb99.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com>
References: <596e049bc90c4b4c1759372e0d99eb99.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com>
Message-ID: <006e01cd9672$347407f0$9d5c17d0$@scrtc.com>

Arnie,
	I certainly want to be there but I'm sure I'll be more of a
spectator than a buyer.  On the Crossley Otto....its hard to say.  I would
be surprised if it didn't end up across the water.   

	What I want to kick myself over is I could have bought the engine in
the late 80's for less than $10,000.  When I decided I had better go on and
purchase it I called the gent in England who owned it (his name was Ed
Moffett) and he had sold it a couple of weeks prior.  But, that was
then....this is now.  As a "guesstimate" to what it will bring, I'd say in
excess of twice the amount you speculated.  (If it were much less than that
maybe I will be a buyer....that is if the wife and the bank both were to say
"yes").	

	There certainly is some fine iron in that sale.

Tommy Turner



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Arnie Fero
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 9:52 AM
To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] 1988 Crossley-Otto Slide Valve Piano Base 2 hp

Hi Folks,

Got an interesting auction catalog in the mail from Aumann Auctions.

It's for the Lake Side Farms Tractor & Engine Collection.
http://www.aumannauctions.com/index.php?subp=1&sct=2&pg=ap&pid=26647
http://www.aumannauctions.com/index.php?subp=1&sct=2&pg=ap&pid=25724
The catalog is here...
http://www.aumann.streamlineftp.com/issue1/index.html

There are a lot of really neat engines and tractors in the auction, but the
Crossley-Otto Slide Valve really caught my eye.

Anyone want to speculate on what it might sell for?
I'm guessing well north of $100K.

Tommy, do you plan to attend this auction?  8-))

See ya,  Arnie


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From Lcjudge at scrtc.com  Wed Sep 19 07:36:36 2012
From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Tommy Turner)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 10:36:36 -0400
Subject: [SEL] 1887 Crossley-Otto Slide Valve Piano Base 2 hp
In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD4148F1E50E6@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
References: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD4148F1E50E6@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
Message-ID: <007201cd9674$2cb1e080$8615a180$@scrtc.com>

George,
	I'm sure that big Mogul tractor will be a HIGH dollar item.  The 45
Mogul at the Gary Parker auction brought $275,000 and I would think that
Peter's 45 would be considered considerably better than Gary's (at least
comparing them on sale date vs. condition at sale date, the one sold at
Gary's auction may have had additional work done on it since then and is
probably top notch now).

	I agree that the Crossley will be the highest priced engine (by far)
sold at the sale.  I'd like to see it stay in the US but if it can't, I hope
its at Nuenen next year.

Tommy




-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Best, George
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 10:17 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] 1887 Crossley-Otto Slide Valve Piano Base 2 hp

Arnie,

I'm sure it will go north of $150k.
What I wonder, is if it will be staying in this country.
If it does leave the country, I hope it is shown at Nuenen next year.

It should be top dollar engine for the auction.

Will also be interesting to see what the big Mogul tractor goes for. 
I could also be in the same price area as the piano base Crossley.

George

Ps. It's not a 1988 engine as indicated in the subject line ;-)



From oldironnut at windstream.net  Wed Sep 19 08:02:05 2012
From: oldironnut at windstream.net (Michael Tucker)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 11:02:05 -0400
Subject: [SEL] 1988 Crossley-Otto Slide Valve Piano Base 2 hp
In-Reply-To: <596e049bc90c4b4c1759372e0d99eb99.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com>
References: <596e049bc90c4b4c1759372e0d99eb99.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com>
Message-ID: <F4ADF430-8F56-46EC-AFB9-484AAE48898F@windstream.net>

Yep, that's some amazing iron! So Arnie, are you going to go and do an auction report complete with final prices, minus the prices on all of the engines that you buy, of course (except for the Otto? I'm sure you'll tell us how much you pay for the Otto)?

Mike

On Sep 19, 2012, at 9:51 AM, Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:

> Hi Folks,
> 
> Got an interesting auction catalog in the mail from Aumann Auctions.
> 
> It's for the Lake Side Farms Tractor & Engine Collection.
> http://www.aumannauctions.com/index.php?subp=1&sct=2&pg=ap&pid=26647
> http://www.aumannauctions.com/index.php?subp=1&sct=2&pg=ap&pid=25724
> The catalog is here...
> http://www.aumann.streamlineftp.com/issue1/index.html
> 
> There are a lot of really neat engines and tractors in the auction,
> but the Crossley-Otto Slide Valve really caught my eye.
> 
> Anyone want to speculate on what it might sell for?
> I'm guessing well north of $100K.
> 
> Tommy, do you plan to attend this auction?  8-))
> 
> See ya,  Arnie
> 
> 
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From oldironnut at windstream.net  Wed Sep 19 08:05:56 2012
From: oldironnut at windstream.net (Michael Tucker)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 11:05:56 -0400
Subject: [SEL] 1887 Crossley-Otto Slide Valve Piano Base 2 hp
In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD4148F1E50E6@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
References: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD4148F1E50E6@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
Message-ID: <F8B41137-1A13-4492-8713-7E2D868E3BA0@windstream.net>

Since we're speculating, what will be the price range of the 15 hp IHC Famous Type A Gear Drive?

Mike




From russell at ncable.com.au  Wed Sep 19 15:14:19 2012
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell)
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 08:14:19 +1000
Subject: [SEL] 1988 Crossley-Otto Slide Valve Piano Base 2 hp
In-Reply-To: <596e049bc90c4b4c1759372e0d99eb99.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com>
References: <596e049bc90c4b4c1759372e0d99eb99.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com>
Message-ID: <915A38BF-DB3B-483E-89B7-C599C4561586@ncable.com.au>

Arnie I wish I had the time to go, (and spare dollars) Could fly over and free load a home stay with you or Dave and have you guys drive me there and collect my loot ! lol. Man there is some really nice stuff at that auction. Talk over here is also about 300k plus for the piano base. 
A very nice one was shown in the TOMM a few years back. I know the owner very well and Im sure he will be smiling when the hammer falls on this one. Will be well well above the purchase of the Aussie one. (there are a few in Australia byw) 

If you come to the National and do the tour thing you could probably get to check it out. (ask Patrick off list)

This sale would be well worth the visit just to be a spectator. 
Russell


On 19/09/2012, at 11:51 PM, Arnie Fero wrote:

> Hi Folks,
> 
> Got an interesting auction catalog in the mail from Aumann Auctions.
> 
> It's for the Lake Side Farms Tractor & Engine Collection.
> http://www.aumannauctions.com/index.php?subp=1&sct=2&pg=ap&pid=26647
> http://www.aumannauctions.com/index.php?subp=1&sct=2&pg=ap&pid=25724
> The catalog is here...
> http://www.aumann.streamlineftp.com/issue1/index.html
> 
> There are a lot of really neat engines and tractors in the auction,
> but the Crossley-Otto Slide Valve really caught my eye.
> 
> Anyone want to speculate on what it might sell for?
> I'm guessing well north of $100K.
> 
> Tommy, do you plan to attend this auction?  8-))
> 
> See ya,  Arnie
> 
> 
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From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Wed Sep 19 16:29:21 2012
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 07:29:21 +0800
Subject: [SEL] 1988 Crossley-Otto Slide Valve Piano Base 2 hp
In-Reply-To: <915A38BF-DB3B-483E-89B7-C599C4561586@ncable.com.au>
References: <596e049bc90c4b4c1759372e0d99eb99.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com>
	<915A38BF-DB3B-483E-89B7-C599C4561586@ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <645F65E2A73A4B02A0532991BECD9208@KerryPC>

Yep its on the Down Under Tour list
Are you coming to the National

Kerry

> If you come to the National and do the tour thing you could probably get 
> to check it out. (ask Patrick off list)
>



From russell at ncable.com.au  Wed Sep 19 18:28:09 2012
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell)
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 11:28:09 +1000
Subject: [SEL] 1988 Crossley-Otto Slide Valve Piano Base 2 hp
In-Reply-To: <645F65E2A73A4B02A0532991BECD9208@KerryPC>
References: <596e049bc90c4b4c1759372e0d99eb99.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com>
	<915A38BF-DB3B-483E-89B7-C599C4561586@ncable.com.au>
	<645F65E2A73A4B02A0532991BECD9208@KerryPC>
Message-ID: <A60DAA06-3B74-4BBB-982F-D64AA63DE1EE@ncable.com.au>

Yes Kerry, looking at leaving on the Sunday or Monday from home stopping by your place before heading into Penrith. Arrive at the National on the Thursday?

Russ


On 20/09/2012, at 9:29 AM, Kerry wrote:

> Yep its on the Down Under Tour list
> Are you coming to the National
> 
> Kerry
> 
>> If you come to the National and do the tour thing you could probably get 
>> to check it out. (ask Patrick off list)
>> 
> 
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Thu Sep 20 07:20:05 2012
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 10:20:05 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] 1988 Crossley-Otto Slide Valve Piano Base 2 hp
Message-ID: <0998d0a055c6640a6f772bcac02043ad.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com>

Jim,

The auction will be carried live on the web.

Arnie

On Wed, September 19, 2012 8:15 pm, Jim Dunmyer wrote:
> I'd sure like to know what some of those pieces do end up selling for. Is
> anyone attending?
>
>                                                                           <<Jim>>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <rdhaskell at juno.com>
> To: <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 12:04 PM
> Subject: Re: 1988 Crossley-Otto Slide Valve Piano Base 2 hp
>
>
>> Hi Arnie.
>> I have heard it will go over $300K  I think it would look good in your
>> shed.




From rdhaskell at juno.com  Thu Sep 20 11:57:13 2012
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 11:57:13 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Blackstone instructions.
Message-ID: <20120920.115810.1554.33916@mailpop02.vgs.untd.com>

Hi all.
I am in the middle of restoring my JSI Blackstone.  I downloaded
"Instructions for fixing, starting and working the Blackstone Oil
Engine".  Book 420, dated 1927.  I find I am missing pages 5 and 6, and
can't find where I got them from.  Do any of you know where I can find
this manual?  Thanks.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell
____________________________________________________________
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Loans under 729K usually qualify for US GOV backed refinance programs
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From rob at rustyiron.com  Thu Sep 20 12:10:41 2012
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 12:10:41 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Blackstone instructions.
In-Reply-To: <20120920.115810.1554.33916@mailpop02.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20120920.115810.1554.33916@mailpop02.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <BC1A56B6-9D15-4BAD-84CE-DE12A70271E8@rustyiron.com>


On Sep 20, 2012, at 11:57 AM, rdhaskell at juno.com wrote:

> Hi all.
> I am in the middle of restoring my JSI Blackstone.  I downloaded
> "Instructions for fixing, starting and working the Blackstone Oil
> Engine".  Book 420, dated 1927.  I find I am missing pages 5 and 6, and
> can't find where I got them from.  Do any of you know where I can find
> this manual?  Thanks.

Hi, Ron. 
Are you working on the Mac? If so, you might be in luck. 

Click once on the filename in the Finder or on your Desktop, so that it is highlighted. 
Type <command><i> to get the information on the file.
Beneath the heading ?More Info,? you might be able to see where the file came from. 
If it came from an email, web site, scanner, or was created by an application, 
you?ll probably be able to determine the source. 

Good luck.
Rob





From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Thu Sep 20 21:50:51 2012
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 14:50:51 +1000
Subject: [SEL] F-M Eclipse
Message-ID: <CC822F4B.F1D5%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

This one unexpectedly came home with me on the weekend:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Eclipse/2012-09-15%2019.50.39
.jpg

http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Eclipse/2012-09-15%2019.56.10
.jpg

Another Fairbanks Morse No2 Eclipse. It is not stuck and is only missing the
carby and fuel tank. This one seems to be in much better condition than the
one I already had so it may be the one to be kept and restored.
Patrick

Patrick M Livingstone
0418 692013
Earlwood NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From jnyost at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 21 02:19:19 2012
From: jnyost at yahoo.com (Jim Yost)
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 05:19:19 -0400
Subject: [SEL] F-M Eclipse
In-Reply-To: <CC822F4B.F1D5%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
References: <CC822F4B.F1D5%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <61C65B5F-1296-4C3D-8E4E-471E87B9C12B@yahoo.com>

Pat

Like to see pic but my putor said it could not find page. Not sure if it's on my end or yours. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 21, 2012, at 12:50 AM, Patrick Livingstone <patrick.livingstone at gmail.com> wrote:

> This one unexpectedly came home with me on the weekend:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Eclipse/2012-09-15%2019.50.39
> .jpg
> 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Eclipse/2012-09-15%2019.56.10
> .jpg
> 
> Another Fairbanks Morse No2 Eclipse. It is not stuck and is only missing the
> carby and fuel tank. This one seems to be in much better condition than the
> one I already had so it may be the one to be kept and restored.
> Patrick
> 
> Patrick M Livingstone
> 0418 692013
> Earlwood NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From al.harris at rustic-engines.com  Fri Sep 21 02:41:10 2012
From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris)
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 19:41:10 +1000
Subject: [SEL] F-M Eclipse
In-Reply-To: <61C65B5F-1296-4C3D-8E4E-471E87B9C12B@yahoo.com>
References: <CC822F4B.F1D5%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<61C65B5F-1296-4C3D-8E4E-471E87B9C12B@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <505C3636.6060300@rustic-engines.com>

Try these Jim.

> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Eclipse/2012-09-15%2019.50.39.jpg

> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Eclipse/2012-09-15%2019.56.10.jpg

Al




On 21/09/2012 7:19 PM, Jim Yost wrote:
> Pat
>
> Like to see pic but my putor said it could not find page. Not sure if it's on my end or yours.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 21, 2012, at 12:50 AM, Patrick Livingstone <patrick.livingstone at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> This one unexpectedly came home with me on the weekend:
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Eclipse/2012-09-15%2019.50.39
>> .jpg
>>
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Eclipse/2012-09-15%2019.56.10
>> .jpg
>>
>> Another Fairbanks Morse No2 Eclipse. It is not stuck and is only missing the
>> carby and fuel tank. This one seems to be in much better condition than the
>> one I already had so it may be the one to be kept and restored.
>> Patrick
>>
>> Patrick M Livingstone
>> 0418 692013
>> Earlwood NSW
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From jnyost at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 21 03:45:22 2012
From: jnyost at yahoo.com (Jim Yost)
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 06:45:22 -0400
Subject: [SEL] F-M Eclipse
In-Reply-To: <505C3636.6060300@rustic-engines.com>
References: <CC822F4B.F1D5%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<61C65B5F-1296-4C3D-8E4E-471E87B9C12B@yahoo.com>
	<505C3636.6060300@rustic-engines.com>
Message-ID: <1A768E29-129E-4995-A64D-6E9A4298093D@yahoo.com>

Al 

Thanks it worked

Jim

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 21, 2012, at 5:41 AM, Al Harris <al.harris at rustic-engines.com> wrote:

> Try these Jim.
> 
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Eclipse/2012-09-15%2019.50.39.jpg
> 
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Eclipse/2012-09-15%2019.56.10.jpg
> 
> Al
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 21/09/2012 7:19 PM, Jim Yost wrote:
>> Pat
>> 
>> Like to see pic but my putor said it could not find page. Not sure if it's on my end or yours.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Sep 21, 2012, at 12:50 AM, Patrick Livingstone <patrick.livingstone at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> This one unexpectedly came home with me on the weekend:
>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Eclipse/2012-09-15%2019.50.39
>>> .jpg
>>> 
>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Eclipse/2012-09-15%2019.56.10
>>> .jpg
>>> 
>>> Another Fairbanks Morse No2 Eclipse. It is not stuck and is only missing the
>>> carby and fuel tank. This one seems to be in much better condition than the
>>> one I already had so it may be the one to be kept and restored.
>>> Patrick
>>> 
>>> Patrick M Livingstone
>>> 0418 692013
>>> Earlwood NSW
>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SEL mailing list
>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>> 
> 
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From frappi at wcoil.com  Fri Sep 21 08:20:01 2012
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 11:20:01 -0400
Subject: [SEL] F-M Eclipse
In-Reply-To: <61C65B5F-1296-4C3D-8E4E-471E87B9C12B@yahoo.com>
References: <CC822F4B.F1D5%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<61C65B5F-1296-4C3D-8E4E-471E87B9C12B@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20120921152001.E3FC7A434@smtp.wcoil.com>


Watch out for the word wrap of the last part of the 
address    .jpg   does not click with the rest of it. Cut and paste.


At 05:19 AM 9/21/2012, you wrote:
>Pat
>
>Like to see pic but my putor said it could not find page. Not sure 
>if it's on my end or yours.
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>On Sep 21, 2012, at 12:50 AM, Patrick Livingstone 
><patrick.livingstone at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > This one unexpectedly came home with me on the weekend:
> > 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Eclipse/2012-09-15%2019.50.39
> > .jpg
> >
> > 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Eclipse/2012-09-15%2019.56.10
> > .jpg
> >
> > Another Fairbanks Morse No2 Eclipse. It is not stuck and is only 
> missing the
> > carby and fuel tank. This one seems to be in much better condition than the
> > one I already had so it may be the one to be kept and restored.
> > Patrick
> >
> > Patrick M Livingstone
> > 0418 692013
> > Earlwood NSW
> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


Mark Shulaw
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USA

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and Hercules Engines.
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From frappi at wcoil.com  Fri Sep 21 09:02:37 2012
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 12:02:37 -0400
Subject: [SEL] <stationary-engine@oldengine.org>
In-Reply-To: <61C65B5F-1296-4C3D-8E4E-471E87B9C12B@yahoo.com>
References: <CC822F4B.F1D5%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<61C65B5F-1296-4C3D-8E4E-471E87B9C12B@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20120921160237.EE62A9EE8@smtp.wcoil.com>


Messages I am sending to <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
    are now bouncing.   Mark


Mark Shulaw
454 County Road 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817
USA

Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home
Hobby Collector and Dealer in John Deere
and Hercules Engines.
Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com  



From open_crank at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 21 10:56:11 2012
From: open_crank at yahoo.com (c)
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 17:56:11 +0000
Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 102, Issue 15 Blackstone Manual
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1348243201.2460.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
References: <mailman.3.1348243201.2460.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <505CAA3B.6000808@yahoo.com>

Source may have been the Internal Fire Museum in the UK.
They do have 1927 Blackstone manual 420 listed, & it was
missing a couple of pages when I downloaded. Worth trying
them again, in case it has been reloaded. I have not found
another, complete, source.

Colin


From rdhaskell at juno.com  Fri Sep 21 13:12:02 2012
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 13:12:02 -0700
Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 102, Issue 15 Blackstone Manual
Message-ID: <20120921.131251.1560.37570@mailpop03.vgs.untd.com>

Thanks for the reply Colin.
I was contacted by the Internal Fire Museum yesterday, they sent the
missing pages. I guess they were missing from the first download and I
didn't notice.


Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell


On Fri, 21 Sep 2012 17:56:11 +0000 c <open_crank at yahoo.com> writes:
> Source may have been the Internal Fire Museum in the UK.
> They do have 1927 Blackstone manual 420 listed, & it was
> missing a couple of pages when I downloaded. Worth trying
> them again, in case it has been reloaded. I have not found
> another, complete, source.
> 
> Colin
____________________________________________________________
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From mr at carolina.rr.com  Fri Sep 21 14:50:59 2012
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 17:50:59 -0400
Subject: [SEL] F-M Eclipse
In-Reply-To: <CC822F4B.F1D5%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
References: <CC822F4B.F1D5%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <51978E3C70FC40F385F502D8D2C56F24@RoysterPC>

Patrick:

  If yours has the bracket to hold a battery box Craig Morrison has a fine 
example of that box.

Mike

-----Original Message----- 
From: Patrick Livingstone
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2012 12:50 AM
To: ATIS ; Oldengine
Subject: F-M Eclipse

This one unexpectedly came home with me on the weekend:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Eclipse/2012-09-15%2019.50.39
.jpg

http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Eclipse/2012-09-15%2019.56.10
.jpg

Another Fairbanks Morse No2 Eclipse. It is not stuck and is only missing the
carby and fuel tank. This one seems to be in much better condition than the
one I already had so it may be the one to be kept and restored.
Patrick

Patrick M Livingstone
0418 692013
Earlwood NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html




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From Germoamer at aol.com  Sat Sep 22 11:57:47 2012
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2012 14:57:47 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] John Lawson engine
Message-ID: <3506.63bfa00e.3d8f642b@aol.com>

Can anyone help to date a John Lawson, 10 hp, sn 11663, type F, size D  
engine.
 
Would post a photo, but for some reason I cannot post to oldengine.org  
anymore.
 
thanks,  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord, Va.  
germoamer at aol.com


From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Sun Sep 23 03:52:57 2012
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2012 20:52:57 +1000
Subject: [SEL] F-M Eclipse
In-Reply-To: <1A768E29-129E-4995-A64D-6E9A4298093D@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CC852729.F211%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

There are more pics of the latest No.2 Eclipse and my other one on my site
at:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/fmeclipse21.html

Patrick M Livingstone
0418 692013
Earlwood NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Sep 30 11:08:17 2012
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 19:08:17 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Show/Swap Meet in CA?
Message-ID: <CAMEZ00+6KqO-g4khAysh3aWGTE_yQ95P5Kn+WumSpERBH8GPCQ@mail.gmail.com>

We are heading over to California for a short break, staying with our
very good friend, Tim.

He has some work lined up for me on his two 1950's cars, Studebaker
Commander and Hudson Hornet.

Gearbox out of one and the overdrive on the other.

While we are there, I noticed a classic car swap meet at Turlock on
the 7th, and wondered what else might be on?

Arrive 4th, return 16th, to arrive back in the UK on Rita's birthday.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From frappi at wcoil.com  Sat Sep  1 10:23:16 2012
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2012 13:23:16 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Way OT: Seattle to Port Angeles WA.
In-Reply-To: <20120831.094454.20119.0@webmail10.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20120831.094454.20119.0@webmail10.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <20120901172311.2D028A12F@smtp.wcoil.com>



Hi Washington area folks,
I am going to be visiting the Seattle-Port Angeles area soon and I am 
looking for info from the locals or those knowledgeable as for some 
directions. I am going by car from Seattle, destination the Forks, 
Port Angeles WA area. Is there a quicker way then driving around the 
waters? Is there a ferry from Seattle to Port Angeles that would be 
quicker? Or something that would approximate accomplishing that?  I 
only have a day and a half in the area. So time saved driving will 
help.     Thanks and please reply directly to     frappi at wcoil.com        Mark




Mark Shulaw
454 County Road 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817
USA

Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home
Hobby Collector and Dealer in John Deere
and Hercules Engines.
Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com  



From frappi at wcoil.com  Sat Sep  1 10:39:32 2012
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2012 13:39:32 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Way OT: Seattle to Port Angeles WA.
Message-ID: <20120901173927.1A2B4A13A@smtp.wcoil.com>

PS: I just found a ferry to Bainbridge Island then on to Port Angeles 
by the 101 but I always like to defer to the locals. They always know 
the better way.

Mark

Hi Washington area folks,
I am going to be visiting the Seattle-Port Angeles area soon and I am 
looking for info from the locals or those knowledgeable as for some 
directions. I am going by car from Seattle, destination the Forks, 
Port Angeles WA area. Is there a quicker way then driving around the 
waters? Is there a ferry from Seattle to Port Angeles that would be 
quicker? Or something that would approximate accomplishing that?  I 
only have a day and a half in the area. So time saved driving will 
help.     Thanks and please reply directly to     frappi at wcoil.com        Mark




Mark Shulaw
454 County Road 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817
USA

Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home
Hobby Collector and Dealer in John Deere
and Hercules Engines.
Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com  



From jorobi at outlook.com  Sat Sep  1 10:55:52 2012
From: jorobi at outlook.com (john billing)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2012 10:55:52 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Way OT: Seattle to Port Angeles WA.
In-Reply-To: <20120901172311.2D028A12F@smtp.wcoil.com>
References: <20120831.094454.20119.0@webmail10.vgs.untd.com>
	<20120901172311.2D028A12F@smtp.wcoil.com>
Message-ID: <COL401-EAS166DE49DC764EFECD16E755CFA50@phx.gbl>

Take the Edmonds Ferry to Kingston  That will save one hour. What are you doing in Fork?  Want to visit a collection up that way?
Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 1, 2012, at 10:32 AM, "Mark Shulaw" <frappi at wcoil.com> wrote:

> 
> 
> Hi Washington area folks,
> I am going to be visiting the Seattle-Port Angeles area soon and I am 
> looking for info from the locals or those knowledgeable as for some 
> directions. I am going by car from Seattle, destination the Forks, 
> Port Angeles WA area. Is there a quicker way then driving around the 
> waters? Is there a ferry from Seattle to Port Angeles that would be 
> quicker? Or something that would approximate accomplishing that?  I 
> only have a day and a half in the area. So time saved driving will 
> help.     Thanks and please reply directly to     frappi at wcoil.com        Mark
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Mark Shulaw
> 454 County Road 33
> Bluffton, OH. 45817
> USA
> 
> Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home
> Hobby Collector and Dealer in John Deere
> and Hercules Engines.
> Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
> VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com  
> 
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From wilson at stny.rr.com  Mon Sep  3 14:34:58 2012
From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson)
Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2012 17:34:58 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Off topic Dodge Truck
In-Reply-To: <1346435445.1666.YahooMailNeo@web121502.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <20120831.094454.20119.0@webmail10.vgs.untd.com>
	<1346422868.31507.YahooMailNeo@web121501.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<6E91141B-0807-4082-BD8B-2FB12F39DA7C@stny.rr.com>
	<1346430698.74426.YahooMailNeo@web121502.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<15F3A19E-C5D4-44D5-86CB-5622EAF986DA@me.com>
	<1346435445.1666.YahooMailNeo@web121502.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BF972939-2B80-40DB-B89F-DFB805461F18@stny.rr.com>

I know this is off topic do this will be my Only list email regarding this subject. While on Dialysis 5 or so years I smashed our 1985 Dodge Ram 1ton 4WD truck - the same truck we drove from NY to AR to get the 60HP. 

Anyway I am trying to put it back together again. If anyone has an 80's Dodge truck and wouldn't mind taking a few pictures to help me, I'd love your contact. If anyone knows of a list like the SEL for trucks I'm interested. Or a source for parts - mainly body parts. 

Thank you all. 

Glenn Wilson
Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 31, 2012, at 1:50 PM, David Myers <walking_tractor at yahoo.com> wrote:

Oh man!  David, I really got carried away there.  So sorry, can the list ever forgive me?
By the way, which way do you lean?   On the matter of lube.  Er, uh, oops I did it again!   ;-)
David


________________________________
From: Dave Rotigel <rotigel at me.com>
To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> 
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Crank handle attack

David, In the future, please keep in mind that this is a FAMILY FRIENDLY list
    Dave
PS, Goodness gracious, what is this world coming to?

On Aug 31, 2012, at 12:31 PM, David Myers wrote:

> Question for those that have full cranks, do you lube them (or shaft) or are they supposed to be a loose dry fit?
> 
> David
> 

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From George.Best at adp.com  Tue Sep  4 10:40:44 2012
From: George.Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 12:40:44 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Joining the smokers
Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD4148E24A00D@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>

On Saturday I was at my mother-in-laws place to look at some of the stuff my sister-in-law and her husband had taken out of my deceased father-in-law's shed.  He had a shed packed full of Model A Ford parts, along with other assorted car parts and other miscellaneous stuff he had packed away.

To my surprise I spotted a Maytag engine that actually looks to be complete and in decent condition.  Next trip down in a couple of weeks I plan on bringing the Maytag back home with me.  I've never had a Maytag before, so it will be something different to play around with.  Although if it doesn't start with a  little tinkering, it will quickly just end up on a shelf never to be touched again until more interesting projects are finished.


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From edstoller at earthlink.net  Tue Sep  4 11:27:00 2012
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed Stoller)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 14:27:00 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Joining the smokers
References: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD4148E24A00D@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
Message-ID: <322C380272B04DE09232227255F76A0E@edlaptop>

The real question is how much gas do you mix with the oil?

Ed Stoller
New Fairfield,  CT,   USA
www.enginesandmagnets.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Best, George" <George.Best at adp.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2012 1:40 PM
Subject: [SEL] Joining the smokers


> On Saturday I was at my mother-in-laws place to look at some of the stuff 
> my sister-in-law and her husband had taken out of my deceased 
> father-in-law's shed.  He had a shed packed full of Model A Ford parts, 
> along with other assorted car parts and other miscellaneous stuff he had 
> packed away.
>
> To my surprise I spotted a Maytag engine that actually looks to be 
> complete and in decent condition.  Next trip down in a couple of weeks I 
> plan on bringing the Maytag back home with me.  I've never had a Maytag 
> before, so it will be something different to play around with.  Although 
> if it doesn't start with a  little tinkering, it will quickly just end up 
> on a shelf never to be touched again until more interesting projects are 
> finished.
>
>
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From rotigel at me.com  Tue Sep  4 12:17:16 2012
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2012 15:17:16 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Joining the smokers
In-Reply-To: <322C380272B04DE09232227255F76A0E@edlaptop>
References: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD4148E24A00D@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
	<322C380272B04DE09232227255F76A0E@edlaptop>
Message-ID: <AFCBD25E-EF18-420C-A8AB-4190A47DD9D3@me.com>

Mine do well on a 4,000/1mixture!
	Dave

On Sep 4, 2012, at 2:27 PM, Ed Stoller wrote:

> The real question is how much gas do you mix with the oil?
> 
> Ed Stoller
> New Fairfield,  CT,   USA
> www.enginesandmagnets.com
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Best, George" <George.Best at adp.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2012 1:40 PM
> Subject: [SEL] Joining the smokers
> 
> 
>> On Saturday I was at my mother-in-laws place to look at some of the stuff 
>> my sister-in-law and her husband had taken out of my deceased 
>> father-in-law's shed.  He had a shed packed full of Model A Ford parts, 
>> along with other assorted car parts and other miscellaneous stuff he had 
>> packed away.
>> 
>> To my surprise I spotted a Maytag engine that actually looks to be 
>> complete and in decent condition.  Next trip down in a couple of weeks I 
>> plan on bringing the Maytag back home with me.  I've never had a Maytag 
>> before, so it will be something different to play around with.  Although 
>> if it doesn't start with a  little tinkering, it will quickly just end up 
>> on a shelf never to be touched again until more interesting projects are 
>> finished.
>> 
>> 
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From MBellar at aol.com  Tue Sep  4 12:48:44 2012
From: MBellar at aol.com (MBellar at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 15:48:44 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Joining the smokers
Message-ID: <222be.1bb5ccb5.3d77b51c@aol.com>

Is it not true that at a mix ratio of 4K/1 the kick starter no longer works 
 and an axe blow to the head assist is required to force the piston  down 
at the proper speed for bump starting?
 
 
In a message dated 9/4/2012 3:30:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
rotigel at me.com writes:

Mine do  well on a 4,000/1mixture!
Dave

On Sep 4, 2012, at 2:27  PM, Ed Stoller wrote:

> The real question is how much gas do you mix  with the oil?
> 
> Ed Stoller
> New Fairfield,   CT,   USA
> www.enginesandmagnets.com
> ----- Original  Message ----- 
> From: "Best, George"  <George.Best at adp.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list"  <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 04,  2012 1:40 PM
> Subject: [SEL] Joining the smokers
> 
>  
>> On Saturday I was at my mother-in-laws place to look at some of  the 
stuff 
>> my sister-in-law and her husband had taken out of my  deceased 
>> father-in-law's shed.  He had a shed packed full of  Model A Ford parts, 
>> along with other assorted car parts and other  miscellaneous stuff he 
had 
>> packed away.
>> 
>>  To my surprise I spotted a Maytag engine that actually looks to be  
>> complete and in decent condition.  Next trip down in a  couple of weeks 
I 
>> plan on bringing the Maytag back home with  me.  I've never had a Maytag 
>> before, so it will be something  different to play around with.  
Although 
>> if it doesn't start  with a  little tinkering, it will quickly just end 
up 
>> on a  shelf never to be touched again until more interesting projects 
are  
>> finished.
>> 
>> 
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confidential. 
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Sep  4 15:02:58 2012
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 18:02:58 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Joining the smokers
In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD4148E24A00D@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
References: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD4148E24A00D@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
Message-ID: <c879262967d6c4674d445a969078cc95.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com>

George,

The most important advice is to not overdo the oil
Modern two-stroke oils are so much better than what
was available back when Maytags were introduced.

A perfectly suitable gas/oil mixture is 50,000:1.

BTW, you're located close to the ocean; so you probably
have a boat.  You don't say if the Maytag is a single or
a twin.  While either make a superb boat anchor, the
twin is preferred due to the mud-grabbing geometry.

Hope that helps...

See ya,  Arnie

On Tue, September 4, 2012 1:40 pm, Best, George wrote:
> On Saturday I was at my mother-in-laws place to look at some of the stuff
> my sister-in-law and her husband had taken out of my deceased
> father-in-law's shed.  He had a shed packed full of Model A Ford parts,
> along with other assorted car parts and other miscellaneous stuff he had
> packed away.
>
> To my surprise I spotted a Maytag engine that actually looks to be
> complete and in decent condition.  Next trip down in a couple of weeks I
> plan on bringing the Maytag back home with me.  I've never had a Maytag
> before, so it will be something different to play around with.  Although
> if it doesn't start with a  little tinkering, it will quickly just end up
> on a shelf never to be touched again until more interesting projects are
> finished.





From maytagtwin at aol.com  Tue Sep  4 21:02:35 2012
From: maytagtwin at aol.com (maytagtwin at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 00:02:35 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Joining the smokers
In-Reply-To: <c879262967d6c4674d445a969078cc95.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com>
References: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD4148E24A00D@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
	<c879262967d6c4674d445a969078cc95.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com>
Message-ID: <8CF5932698EE077-1EFC-C52A@webmail-d045.sysops.aol.com>


Hi George,

First, I wish to commend you for having the good sense to bring this poor orphan Maytag Engine into your shop.  You have a physical reminder of an important stage of development of our nation's quality of life.  Prior to the advent of the Maytag Engine many folks who even bothered to wash their clothing, would do it by stirring the clothes with a stick in a pot of boiling water, with lye soap used to reduce surface tension.  Since birth control was not yet freely available from the government, the children in the family would resemble stairsteps and would number from 9 on up to who knows how many.  Children being in constant need of amusement and essentially cruel in their treatment of each other, some of the littler ones were bound to be pushed into the pot from time to time.   Arnie and Evil Dave were lucky to have avoided such a fate.  Given their disdain for the wonderful Maytag Engine their clothes probably weren't all that clean, either.

But, I digress.  Second, ignore those gas/oil ratios  offered up from Evil Dave and Arnie.  Go back to the traditional formula, 16 parts gasoline to one part 30 wt. non-detergent motor oil.  You can reduce the smoke considerable by running the engine under load.  The single cylinder model 92 has hit and miss governing with constant fuel supply.  Under no load it may fire only every 15 or 20 revolutions so you can see considerable gas/oil mix is pumping through the engine creating a smoky exhaust.

So, do be kind to your fine little Maytag Engine.

Regards,
Ron Carroll
Clearmont, MO    




-----Original Message-----
From: Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tue, Sep 4, 2012 5:13 pm
Subject: Re: [SEL] Joining the smokers


George,
The most important advice is to not overdo the oil
odern two-stroke oils are so much better than what
as available back when Maytags were introduced.
A perfectly suitable gas/oil mixture is 50,000:1.
BTW, you're located close to the ocean; so you probably
ave a boat.  You don't say if the Maytag is a single or
 twin.  While either make a superb boat anchor, the
win is preferred due to the mud-grabbing geometry.
Hope that helps...
See ya,  Arnie
On Tue, September 4, 2012 1:40 pm, Best, George wrote:
 On Saturday I was at my mother-in-laws place to look at some of the stuff
 my sister-in-law and her husband had taken out of my deceased
 father-in-law's shed.  He had a shed packed full of Model A Ford parts,
 along with other assorted car parts and other miscellaneous stuff he had
 packed away.

 To my surprise I spotted a Maytag engine that actually looks to be
 complete and in decent condition.  Next trip down in a couple of weeks I
 plan on bringing the Maytag back home with me.  I've never had a Maytag
 before, so it will be something different to play around with.  Although
 if it doesn't start with a  little tinkering, it will quickly just end up
 on a shelf never to be touched again until more interesting projects are
 finished.

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From George.Best at adp.com  Wed Sep  5 08:36:17 2012
From: George.Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 10:36:17 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Joining the smokers
In-Reply-To: <8CF5932698EE077-1EFC-C52A@webmail-d045.sysops.aol.com>
References: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD4148E24A00D@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
	<c879262967d6c4674d445a969078cc95.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com>
	<8CF5932698EE077-1EFC-C52A@webmail-d045.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD4148E350527@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>

Ron,

>From years of reading Dave's and Arnie's Maytag postings, I'm well aware their mix ratio should not be used unless you want a boat anchor.

The engine I spotted is a single cylinder one, but I didn't check it close enough to see what model it is.

Any problem in using 2-cycle oil mixed with the gas rather than 30w ND?


Hmmmm.... just remembered I actually have a real nice 1 gallon Maytag oil can and it actually still has some oil in it.  Shouldn't be any problem if I use that oil.    Don't remember now where I got that can, but am fairly certain it has original oil in it.

George

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of maytagtwin at aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2012 9:03 PM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] Joining the smokers


Hi George,

First, I wish to commend you for having the good sense to bring this poor orphan Maytag Engine into your shop.  You have a physical reminder of an important stage of development of our nation's quality of life.  Prior to the advent of the Maytag Engine many folks who even bothered to wash their clothing, would do it by stirring the clothes with a stick in a pot of boiling water, with lye soap used to reduce surface tension.  Since birth control was not yet freely available from the government, the children in the family would resemble stairsteps and would number from 9 on up to who knows how many.  Children being in constant need of amusement and essentially cruel in their treatment of each other, some of the littler ones were bound to be pushed into the pot from time to time.   Arnie and Evil Dave were lucky to have avoided such a fate.  Given their disdain for the wonderful Maytag Engine their clothes probably weren't all that clean, either.

But, I digress.  Second, ignore those gas/oil ratios  offered up from Evil Dave and Arnie.  Go back to the traditional formula, 16 parts gasoline to one part 30 wt. non-detergent motor oil.  You can reduce the smoke considerable by running the engine under load.  The single cylinder model 92 has hit and miss governing with constant fuel supply.  Under no load it may fire only every 15 or 20 revolutions so you can see considerable gas/oil mix is pumping through the engine creating a smoky exhaust.

So, do be kind to your fine little Maytag Engine.

Regards,
Ron Carroll
Clearmont, MO    




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From FRM8198 at aol.com  Fri Sep  7 02:54:47 2012
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2012 05:54:47 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Joining the smokers
Message-ID: <f3d5.3085e257.3d7b1e67@aol.com>

George,
Here are some web sites that may be of help to you with your new  Maytag -
 
 
_http://www.maytagshed.com/m92draws.html_ 
(http://www.maytagshed.com/m92draws.html) 
 
_http://www.maytagshed.com/92partlist.html_ 
(http://www.maytagshed.com/92partlist.html) 
 
_http://www.maytagshed.com/92serials.html_ 
(http://www.maytagshed.com/92serials.html) 
 
_http://oldengine.org/members/allen/Maytag/Maytag01.html_ 
(http://oldengine.org/members/allen/Maytag/Maytag01.html) 
 
_http://www.oldengine.org/docs/Maytag_SM.pdf_ 
(http://www.oldengine.org/docs/Maytag_SM.pdf) 
 
_http://www.oldengine.org/members/allen/cut1.jpg_ 
(http://www.oldengine.org/members/allen/cut1.jpg) 
 
_http://www.oldengine.org/members/allen/cut2.jpg_ 
(http://www.oldengine.org/members/allen/cut2.jpg) 
 
_http://www.oldengine.org/members/allen/cut3.jpg_ 
(http://www.oldengine.org/members/allen/cut3.jpg) 
 
_http://www.oldengine.org/members/allen/cut4.jpg_ 
(http://www.oldengine.org/members/allen/cut4.jpg) 
 
 

 
Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA 93454 
 

 
In a message dated 9/5/2012 8:40:40 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
George.Best at adp.com writes:

The  engine I spotted is a single cylinder one, but I didn't check it close 
enough  to see what model it is.




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Sep  7 04:49:26 2012
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2012 07:49:26 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Joining the smokers
In-Reply-To: <f3d5.3085e257.3d7b1e67@aol.com>
References: <f3d5.3085e257.3d7b1e67@aol.com>
Message-ID: <0ca6ba31d4d224becd049aa48166e0e7.squirrel@mail.realprodata.com>

On Fri, September 7, 2012 5:54 am, FRM8198 at aol.com wrote:
> George,
> Here are some web sites that may be of help to you with your new  Maytag -

Don't forget this one...
http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/maytag/maytag_fun.html


> In a message dated 9/5/2012 8:40:40 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> George.Best at adp.com writes:
> The  engine I spotted is a single cylinder one, but I didn't check it
> close enough  to see what model it is.





From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Sep  8 12:19:55 2012
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2012 15:19:55 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Flights from Oz to the UK
Message-ID: <a6da0bdb5e07a8038f9e3869810d19fd.squirrel@mail.realprodata.com>

Hi Folks,

Have any of you flown from Oz to the UK?
In starting the search for flights, what I'm seeing is
seriously UGLY.  Not the price; the travel duration.

What I'm seeing are two-stop flights with travel
durations of 25 to 35 hours.  Bleuch!

Have any of you done that trip with a more human-friendly
travel duration?

See ya,  Arnie




From wboldrusty70 at gmail.com  Sat Sep  8 13:58:48 2012
From: wboldrusty70 at gmail.com (William Burg)
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2012 06:58:48 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Flights from Oz to the UK
In-Reply-To: <a6da0bdb5e07a8038f9e3869810d19fd.squirrel@mail.realprodata.com>
References: <a6da0bdb5e07a8038f9e3869810d19fd.squirrel@mail.realprodata.com>
Message-ID: <CA+US9zGzVrVqQf9f+nrT7MF=faj3sn0S0EEXOsWTbdR5hcHwHw@mail.gmail.com>

Standard times: Sydney to Singapore  8 hours, Singapore to London  13
hours. Bring a good book.

On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 12:19 PM, Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:

> Hi Folks,
>
> Have any of you flown from Oz to the UK?
> In starting the search for flights, what I'm seeing is
> seriously UGLY.  Not the price; the travel duration.
>
> What I'm seeing are two-stop flights with travel
> durations of 25 to 35 hours.  Bleuch!
>
> Have any of you done that trip with a more human-friendly
> travel duration?
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
>
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From al.harris at rustic-engines.com  Sat Sep  8 15:12:47 2012
From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris)
Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2012 08:12:47 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Flights from Oz to the UK
In-Reply-To: <CA+US9zGzVrVqQf9f+nrT7MF=faj3sn0S0EEXOsWTbdR5hcHwHw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a6da0bdb5e07a8038f9e3869810d19fd.squirrel@mail.realprodata.com>
	<CA+US9zGzVrVqQf9f+nrT7MF=faj3sn0S0EEXOsWTbdR5hcHwHw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <504BC2DF.2060600@rustic-engines.com>

Qantas will fly Sydney/Melbourne via Dubai, starting April, which will 
save a little time. Still a full day/night jaunt though.

Al


On 9/09/2012 6:58 AM, William Burg wrote:
> Standard times: Sydney to Singapore  8 hours, Singapore to London  13
> hours. Bring a good book.
>
> On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 12:19 PM, Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Folks,
>>
>> Have any of you flown from Oz to the UK?
>> In starting the search for flights, what I'm seeing is
>> seriously UGLY.  Not the price; the travel duration.
>>
>> What I'm seeing are two-stop flights with travel
>> durations of 25 to 35 hours.  Bleuch!
>>
>> Have any of you done that trip with a more human-friendly
>> travel duration?
>>
>> See ya,  Arnie
>>
>>



From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Sat Sep  8 20:46:49 2012
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2012 11:46:49 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Flights from Oz to the UK
In-Reply-To: <a6da0bdb5e07a8038f9e3869810d19fd.squirrel@mail.realprodata.com>
References: <a6da0bdb5e07a8038f9e3869810d19fd.squirrel@mail.realprodata.com>
Message-ID: <EE0EBFBCFCA944F7BB0475ECF286A623@KerryPC>

Arnie, don't forget its all up hill, a lot of low gear work required, hope 
this helps
Kerry




> Hi Folks,
>
> Have any of you flown from Oz to the UK?
> In starting the search for flights, what I'm seeing is
> seriously UGLY.  Not the price; the travel duration.
>
> What I'm seeing are two-stop flights with travel
> durations of 25 to 35 hours.  Bleuch!
>
> Have any of you done that trip with a more human-friendly
> travel duration?
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Sat Sep  8 21:15:20 2012
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2012 14:15:20 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Flights from Oz to the UK
In-Reply-To: <a6da0bdb5e07a8038f9e3869810d19fd.squirrel@mail.realprodata.com>
Message-ID: <CC7254F8.F097%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

Hi Arnie,
I would highly recommend travelling to the UK on a Singapore Airline A380.
Very comfortable plane and their service is fantastic. Changi Airport
(Singapore) is consistently amongst the best in the world which makes
changing planes in the middle of a long trip a bit more pleasant.
We only went to the UK a few years ago and I think it was about 24 hours
total travel time before we arrived in the sh**hole that is Heathrow ;)
Patrick


On 9/9/12 5:19 AM, "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:

> Hi Folks,
> 
> Have any of you flown from Oz to the UK?
> In starting the search for flights, what I'm seeing is
> seriously UGLY.  Not the price; the travel duration.
> 
> What I'm seeing are two-stop flights with travel
> durations of 25 to 35 hours.  Bleuch!
> 
> Have any of you done that trip with a more human-friendly
> travel duration?
> 
> See ya,  Arnie
> 
> 


Patrick M Livingstone
0418 692013
Earlwood NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From h.terpstra at wxs.nl  Sun Sep  9 00:20:45 2012
From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra)
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2012 09:20:45 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Flights from Oz to the UK
References: <a6da0bdb5e07a8038f9e3869810d19fd.squirrel@mail.realprodata.com>
Message-ID: <65B74E4898F1491781D11E8F552C7F6A@packard971eb80>

Why not take a stop over? We did that on our trips to Indonesia several 
times.
My personal favorit was Hong Kong. It's amazing how they build parts of this 
city on those steep hills/mountains.
Next January we will be doing a stopover in Dubai.
Actually I have been looking at ticket prices from Indonesia to OZ but it's 
fairy expensive.

Harry


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>; <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2012 9:19 PM
Subject: [SEL] Flights from Oz to the UK


> Hi Folks,
>
> Have any of you flown from Oz to the UK?
> In starting the search for flights, what I'm seeing is
> seriously UGLY.  Not the price; the travel duration.
>
> What I'm seeing are two-stop flights with travel
> durations of 25 to 35 hours.  Bleuch!
>
> Have any of you done that trip with a more human-friendly
> travel duration?
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
>
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From maytagtwin at aol.com  Sun Sep  9 02:54:20 2012
From: maytagtwin at aol.com (maytagtwin at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2012 05:54:20 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Joining the smokers
In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD4148E350527@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
References: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD4148E24A00D@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
	<c879262967d6c4674d445a969078cc95.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com>
	<8CF5932698EE077-1EFC-C52A@webmail-d045.sysops.aol.com>
	<0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD4148E350527@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
Message-ID: <8CF5C88379BFCD0-1860-3314D@webmail-m041.sysops.aol.com>


Hi George,
Your old can of Maytag oil should be OK so long as it has had the lid on it over the years.

Regarding differences between 2 cycle oil and 30 wt non-detergent, I know that one costs much more than the other.  For about three summers we enjoyed running a small cabin cruiser equipped with two "Big Twin" 35 HP Evinrude engines.  I soon began ordering 30 wt non-detergent from a Mobil Oil distributor in 5 gallon cans as it cut the oil cost by more than half.

In the past 20 years I have see some discussion of the difference between oil for water cooled outboard engines and air cooled chain saws with the chain saw oil being able to function at higher temperature.  If you are going to "work" your Maytag Engine, I suggest the chain saw oil.  Otherwise, outboard or 30 wt. non-detergent should suffice. 

Also, as with any small, pull or kick start engine that just happens to have a pulley exposed, I recommend you set up a 1/2 hp electric motor, 1750 rpm in such a manner that you can run a belt from it to your Maytag engine.  An old mechanic from back in the 1950's suggested that when I brought an old Briggs WM to him for help in geting it started.  He has me spinning the Briggs with the electric motor while making adjustments to the fuel mix until the Briggs gave up being stubborn and started running.  No cussing involved.

Regards,
Ron

.  






-----Original Message-----
From: Best, George <George.Best at adp.com>
To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wed, Sep 5, 2012 10:40 am
Subject: Re: [SEL] Joining the smokers


Ron,
>From years of reading Dave's and Arnie's Maytag postings, I'm well aware their 
ix ratio should not be used unless you want a boat anchor.
The engine I spotted is a single cylinder one, but I didn't check it close 
nough to see what model it is.
Any problem in using 2-cycle oil mixed with the gas rather than 30w ND?

mmmm.... just remembered I actually have a real nice 1 gallon Maytag oil can 
nd it actually still has some oil in it.  Shouldn't be any problem if I use 
hat oil.    Don't remember now where I got that can, but am fairly certain it 
as original oil in it.
George
-----Original Message-----
rom: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] 
n Behalf Of maytagtwin at aol.com
ent: Tuesday, September 04, 2012 9:03 PM
o: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
ubject: Re: [SEL] Joining the smokers

i George,
First, I wish to commend you for having the good sense to bring this poor orphan 
aytag Engine into your shop.  You have a physical reminder of an important 
tage of development of our nation's quality of life.  Prior to the advent of 
he Maytag Engine many folks who even bothered to wash their clothing, would do 
t by stirring the clothes with a stick in a pot of boiling water, with lye soap 
sed to reduce surface tension.  Since birth control was not yet freely 
vailable from the government, the children in the family would resemble 
tairsteps and would number from 9 on up to who knows how many.  Children being 
n constant need of amusement and essentially cruel in their treatment of each 
ther, some of the littler ones were bound to be pushed into the pot from time 
o time.   Arnie and Evil Dave were lucky to have avoided such a fate.  Given 
heir disdain for the wonderful Maytag Engine their clothes probably weren't all 
hat clean, either.
But, I digress.  Second, ignore those gas/oil ratios  offered up from Evil Dave 
nd Arnie.  Go back to the traditional formula, 16 parts gasoline to one part 30 
t. non-detergent motor oil.  You can reduce the smoke considerable by running 
he engine under load.  The single cylinder model 92 has hit and miss governing 
ith constant fuel supply.  Under no load it may fire only every 15 or 20 
evolutions so you can see considerable gas/oil mix is pumping through the 
ngine creating a smoky exhaust.
So, do be kind to your fine little Maytag Engine.
Regards,
on Carroll
learmont, MO    


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From rotigel at me.com  Sun Sep  9 04:16:33 2012
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2012 07:16:33 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Joining the smokers
In-Reply-To: <8CF5C88379BFCD0-1860-3314D@webmail-m041.sysops.aol.com>
References: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD4148E24A00D@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
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A GOOD point Ron! In fact I believe that this is the same way that the ladies on the farm (the ones that were not so inbred that they just kept kicking until the wash was done) _attempted_ to start MAYTAG MOTORS in the early part of the last century! (As time passed the inbred women evolved into DEMOCRATS! See: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/debbie-wasserman-schultzs-false-accusation-of-a-misquote/2012/09/05/bde6f37c-f78d-11e1-8398-0327ab83ab91_blog.html and http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2012/09/pelosi-denies-muting-obama-on-phone-call/1?csp=34news#.UEx6SKRWo2V)
	Dave
PS, Unlike the Briggs, it never really worked with MAYTAGS, so they just left the electric motors on the machines!

On Sep 9, 2012, at 5:54 AM, maytagtwin at aol.com wrote:

> 
> Hi George,
> 
> Also, as with any small, pull or kick start engine that just happens to have a pulley exposed, I recommend you set up a 1/2 hp electric motor, 1750 rpm in such a manner that you can run a belt from it to your Maytag engine.  An old mechanic from back in the 1950's suggested that when I brought an old Briggs WM to him for help in geting it started.  He has me spinning the Briggs with the electric motor while making adjustments to the fuel mix until the Briggs gave up being stubborn and started running.  No cussing involved.
> 
> Regards,
> Ron
> 
> .  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Best, George <George.Best at adp.com>
> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wed, Sep 5, 2012 10:40 am
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Joining the smokers
> 
> 
> Ron,
>> From years of reading Dave's and Arnie's Maytag postings, I'm well aware their 
> ix ratio should not be used unless you want a boat anchor.
> The engine I spotted is a single cylinder one, but I didn't check it close 
> nough to see what model it is.
> Any problem in using 2-cycle oil mixed with the gas rather than 30w ND?
> 
> mmmm.... just remembered I actually have a real nice 1 gallon Maytag oil can 
> nd it actually still has some oil in it.  Shouldn't be any problem if I use 
> hat oil.    Don't remember now where I got that can, but am fairly certain it 
> as original oil in it.
> George
> -----Original Message-----
> rom: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] 
> n Behalf Of maytagtwin at aol.com
> ent: Tuesday, September 04, 2012 9:03 PM
> o: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> ubject: Re: [SEL] Joining the smokers
> 
> i George,
> First, I wish to commend you for having the good sense to bring this poor orphan 
> aytag Engine into your shop.  You have a physical reminder of an important 
> tage of development of our nation's quality of life.  Prior to the advent of 
> he Maytag Engine many folks who even bothered to wash their clothing, would do 
> t by stirring the clothes with a stick in a pot of boiling water, with lye soap 
> sed to reduce surface tension.  Since birth control was not yet freely 
> vailable from the government, the children in the family would resemble 
> tairsteps and would number from 9 on up to who knows how many.  Children being 
> n constant need of amusement and essentially cruel in their treatment of each 
> ther, some of the littler ones were bound to be pushed into the pot from time 
> o time.   Arnie and Evil Dave were lucky to have avoided such a fate.  Given 
> heir disdain for the wonderful Maytag Engine their clothes probably weren't all 
> hat clean, either.
> But, I digress.  Second, ignore those gas/oil ratios  offered up from Evil Dave 
> nd Arnie.  Go back to the traditional formula, 16 parts gasoline to one part 30 
> t. non-detergent motor oil.  You can reduce the smoke considerable by running 
> he engine under load.  The single cylinder model 92 has hit and miss governing 
> ith constant fuel supply.  Under no load it may fire only every 15 or 20 
> evolutions so you can see considerable gas/oil mix is pumping through the 
> ngine creating a smoky exhaust.
> So, do be kind to your fine little Maytag Engine.
> Regards,
> on Carroll
> learmont, MO    
> 
> 
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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Sun Sep  9 04:38:00 2012
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2012 06:38:00 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [SEL] Economy Engine research
Message-ID: <1471384046.411601347190679968.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>

Hi All,
Was at a small engine show yesterday and a guy brought in a 
Economy 8hp, serial: 36462.  He was told by the previous owner
that it was a Sparta Ecomony engine.  Does any one have information
on this engine so I can help him out?
thank you in advance,
Curt Andree  


From rotigel at me.com  Sun Sep  9 05:08:37 2012
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2012 08:08:37 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Economy Engine research
In-Reply-To: <1471384046.411601347190679968.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>
References: <1471384046.411601347190679968.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>
Message-ID: <116A29A1-52D4-4A50-A99B-92EDA9E62265@me.com>

According to Karch numbers from 50000 would seem to have been built in Evansville. The first 40000 Economy engines were Sparta. (ie built in Sparta MI.) The hopper design of the Sparta was VERY different that those engines built in Evansville. Glenn has a book on the Sparta engines. Keith can probably supply it. I'm sure that Marian still has some.
	Dave

On Sep 9, 2012, at 7:38 AM, cgandree at mchsi.com wrote:

> Hi All,
> Was at a small engine show yesterday and a guy brought in a 
> Economy 8hp, serial: 36462.  He was told by the previous owner
> that it was a Sparta Ecomony engine.  Does any one have information
> on this engine so I can help him out?
> thank you in advance,
> Curt Andree  
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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Sun Sep  9 05:31:48 2012
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2012 07:31:48 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [SEL] Economy Engine research
In-Reply-To: <116A29A1-52D4-4A50-A99B-92EDA9E62265@me.com>
Message-ID: <114328487.413681347193908180.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>

Thanks Dave for the quick response, kind thought I would hear from you.
Unfortunately I didn't have a camera with to take pics but the farmer doesn't live too far from me and will take a roady soon.  
Curt 
----- Original Message -----
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To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 9, 2012 7:08:37 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Engine research

According to Karch numbers from 50000 would seem to have been built in Evansville. The first 40000 Economy engines were Sparta. (ie built in Sparta MI.) The hopper design of the Sparta was VERY different that those engines built in Evansville. Glenn has a book on the Sparta engines. Keith can probably supply it. I'm sure that Marian still has some.
	Dave

On Sep 9, 2012, at 7:38 AM, cgandree at mchsi.com wrote:

> Hi All,
> Was at a small engine show yesterday and a guy brought in a 
> Economy 8hp, serial: 36462.  He was told by the previous owner
> that it was a Sparta Ecomony engine.  Does any one have information
> on this engine so I can help him out?
> thank you in advance,
> Curt Andree  
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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Sun Sep  9 11:37:16 2012
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2012 11:37:16 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Dates for Portland show in 2013
Message-ID: <20120909.113800.1561.84385@mailpop07.vgs.untd.com>

Hi all.  
Would someone please post the dates for the 2013 Portland show .
Thanks
Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
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From Vivas1993 at aol.com  Sun Sep  9 11:47:03 2012
From: Vivas1993 at aol.com (Vivas1993 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2012 14:47:03 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Dates for Portland show in 2013
Message-ID: <20be9.5c668507.3d7e3e27@aol.com>

Hey Ron,
Aug 21 thru the 25.
Wife & I went for the first time last month, we plan on being there  next 
year too ! 
 
Dwight Vivas
Matoaca, VA
 
 
In a message dated 9/9/2012 2:40:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
rdhaskell at juno.com writes:

Hi  all.  
Would someone please post the dates for the 2013 Portland show  .
Thanks
Ron Haskell
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Riverside, California  USA
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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Sun Sep  9 14:27:32 2012
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2012 14:27:32 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Dates for Portland show in 2013
Message-ID: <20120909.142740.1558.123223@mailpop10.vgs.untd.com>

Thanks Dwight.
Need to go again.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
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On Sun, 9 Sep 2012 14:47:03 -0400 (EDT) Vivas1993 at aol.com writes:
> Hey Ron,
> Aug 21 thru the 25.
> Wife & I went for the first time last month, we plan on being there  
> next 
> year too ! 
>  
> Dwight Vivas
> Matoaca, VA
>  
>  
> In a message dated 9/9/2012 2:40:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
> rdhaskell at juno.com writes:
> 
> Hi  all.  
> Would someone please post the dates for the 2013 Portland show  .
> Thanks
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From rotigel at me.com  Sun Sep  9 16:50:25 2012
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2012 19:50:25 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Economy Engine research
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Keith has some good info/pictures at http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/econ_pics.html
	Dave

On Sep 9, 2012, at 8:31 AM, cgandree at mchsi.com wrote:

> Thanks Dave for the quick response, kind thought I would hear from you.
> Unfortunately I didn't have a camera with to take pics but the farmer doesn't live too far from me and will take a roady soon.  
> Curt 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Sunday, September 9, 2012 7:08:37 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Engine research
> 
> According to Karch numbers from 50000 would seem to have been built in Evansville. The first 40000 Economy engines were Sparta. (ie built in Sparta MI.) The hopper design of the Sparta was VERY different that those engines built in Evansville. Glenn has a book on the Sparta engines. Keith can probably supply it. I'm sure that Marian still has some.
> 	Dave
> 
> On Sep 9, 2012, at 7:38 AM, cgandree at mchsi.com wrote:
> 
>> Hi All,
>> Was at a small engine show yesterday and a guy brought in a 
>> Economy 8hp, serial: 36462.  He was told by the previous owner
>> that it was a Sparta Ecomony engine.  Does any one have information
>> on this engine so I can help him out?
>> thank you in advance,
>> Curt Andree  
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Mon Sep 10 05:51:09 2012
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 07:51:09 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [SEL] Economy Engine research
In-Reply-To: <8CE316FE-42C2-44FF-8B77-9ECF0A06055E@me.com>
Message-ID: <1422443719.524871347281469408.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>

Hey Dave Ive lost Keith's email, please forward it to me.
thanks again,
Curt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 9, 2012 6:50:25 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Engine research

Keith has some good info/pictures at http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/econ_pics.html
	Dave

On Sep 9, 2012, at 8:31 AM, cgandree at mchsi.com wrote:

> Thanks Dave for the quick response, kind thought I would hear from you.
> Unfortunately I didn't have a camera with to take pics but the farmer doesn't live too far from me and will take a roady soon.  
> Curt 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Sunday, September 9, 2012 7:08:37 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Engine research
> 
> According to Karch numbers from 50000 would seem to have been built in Evansville. The first 40000 Economy engines were Sparta. (ie built in Sparta MI.) The hopper design of the Sparta was VERY different that those engines built in Evansville. Glenn has a book on the Sparta engines. Keith can probably supply it. I'm sure that Marian still has some.
> 	Dave
> 
> On Sep 9, 2012, at 7:38 AM, cgandree at mchsi.com wrote:
> 
>> Hi All,
>> Was at a small engine show yesterday and a guy brought in a 
>> Economy 8hp, serial: 36462.  He was told by the previous owner
>> that it was a Sparta Ecomony engine.  Does any one have information
>> on this engine so I can help him out?
>> thank you in advance,
>> Curt Andree  
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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From rotigel at me.com  Mon Sep 10 11:00:40 2012
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 14:00:40 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Economy Engine research
In-Reply-To: <1422443719.524871347281469408.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>
References: <1422443719.524871347281469408.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>
Message-ID: <5E21DE30-D587-44D1-9CBB-119A25F07C4A@me.com>

About the middle of this page   http://herculesengines.com/hercules/default.htm   in blue.
	Dave

On Sep 10, 2012, at 8:51 AM, cgandree at mchsi.com wrote:

> Hey Dave Ive lost Keith's email, please forward it to me.
> thanks again,
> Curt
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Sunday, September 9, 2012 6:50:25 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Engine research
> 
> Keith has some good info/pictures at http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/econ_pics.html
> 	Dave
> 
> On Sep 9, 2012, at 8:31 AM, cgandree at mchsi.com wrote:
> 
>> Thanks Dave for the quick response, kind thought I would hear from you.
>> Unfortunately I didn't have a camera with to take pics but the farmer doesn't live too far from me and will take a roady soon.  
>> Curt 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, September 9, 2012 7:08:37 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Engine research
>> 
>> According to Karch numbers from 50000 would seem to have been built in Evansville. The first 40000 Economy engines were Sparta. (ie built in Sparta MI.) The hopper design of the Sparta was VERY different that those engines built in Evansville. Glenn has a book on the Sparta engines. Keith can probably supply it. I'm sure that Marian still has some.
>> 	Dave
>> 
>> On Sep 9, 2012, at 7:38 AM, cgandree at mchsi.com wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>> Was at a small engine show yesterday and a guy brought in a 
>>> Economy 8hp, serial: 36462.  He was told by the previous owner
>>> that it was a Sparta Ecomony engine.  Does any one have information
>>> on this engine so I can help him out?
>>> thank you in advance,
>>> Curt Andree  
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SEL mailing list
>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>> _______________________________________________
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>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Tue Sep 11 05:10:05 2012
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 07:10:05 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [SEL] Economy Engine research
In-Reply-To: <5E21DE30-D587-44D1-9CBB-119A25F07C4A@me.com>
Message-ID: <365371950.706181347365405105.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>

Found it Dave, thanks again.
Curt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 1:00:40 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Engine research

About the middle of this page   http://herculesengines.com/hercules/default.htm   in blue.
	Dave

On Sep 10, 2012, at 8:51 AM, cgandree at mchsi.com wrote:

> Hey Dave Ive lost Keith's email, please forward it to me.
> thanks again,
> Curt
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Sunday, September 9, 2012 6:50:25 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Engine research
> 
> Keith has some good info/pictures at http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/econ_pics.html
> 	Dave
> 
> On Sep 9, 2012, at 8:31 AM, cgandree at mchsi.com wrote:
> 
>> Thanks Dave for the quick response, kind thought I would hear from you.
>> Unfortunately I didn't have a camera with to take pics but the farmer doesn't live too far from me and will take a roady soon.  
>> Curt 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at me.com>
>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, September 9, 2012 7:08:37 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy Engine research
>> 
>> According to Karch numbers from 50000 would seem to have been built in Evansville. The first 40000 Economy engines were Sparta. (ie built in Sparta MI.) The hopper design of the Sparta was VERY different that those engines built in Evansville. Glenn has a book on the Sparta engines. Keith can probably supply it. I'm sure that Marian still has some.
>> 	Dave
>> 
>> On Sep 9, 2012, at 7:38 AM, cgandree at mchsi.com wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>> Was at a small engine show yesterday and a guy brought in a 
>>> Economy 8hp, serial: 36462.  He was told by the previous owner
>>> that it was a Sparta Ecomony engine.  Does any one have information
>>> on this engine so I can help him out?
>>> thank you in advance,
>>> Curt Andree  
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SEL mailing list
>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Wed Sep 12 05:11:12 2012
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 22:11:12 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Sydney Rally
Message-ID: <CC76B900.F0E4%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

Our club's rally is this weekend and it is looking like a good one. The
Austral is all ready to go onto the trailer for the trip to the showground.
There should be a few list members turn up :)
Patrick

Patrick M Livingstone
0418 692013
Earlwood NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From kast13iron at yahoo.com  Wed Sep 12 09:50:19 2012
From: kast13iron at yahoo.com (J)
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 09:50:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Model Steamer Missing / Stolen?
Message-ID: <1347468619.74453.YahooMailClassic@web140701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Just passing on this post from Smokstak 
?
http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=109722

From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Sep 12 15:34:49 2012
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 18:34:49 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] September 29th is an Open House at the Tod Engine
Message-ID: <f611df509d9a6903b5b890fa736fc439.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com>

September 29th is an Open House at the Tod Engine.
http://www.todengine.org/

Finally after sixteen years of work the Tod Engine finally will be opened
to the public! Join us as we show off the work accomplished thus far and
discuss the work ahead of us as we begin the mechanical restoration of the
Tod Engine with a goal of returning it to operation by September, 2014.

On Saturday, September 29 the Youngstown Steel Heritage Foundation will be
holding an open house at the Tod Engine Heritage Park in Youngstown.  Come
see our collection of historic Youngstown steelmaking equipment being
restored for our future steelmaking museum. Our collection consists of a
260 ton, 4000 horsepower rolling mill steam engine, the oldest operable
electric overhead crane in the US, a Kling type hot metal car, GE 70 ton
centercab locomotive, 175 ton teeming ladle, ingot mold and numerous other
artifacts from Youngstown?s steel industry.

The event will be held from 10 am until 3 pm with lunch being served at
noon.  Lunch will consist of authentic ethnic food including pierogies,
Haluski and burgers cooked on a grill fired with coke made at the YS&T
Campbell Works coke plant.

Rick Rowlands
Youngstown Steel Heritage Foundation
2261 Hubbard Road
Youngstown, OH  44505
330-272-4089




From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Sun Sep 16 04:47:33 2012
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 21:47:33 +1000
Subject: [SEL] 2012 Sydney Rally
Message-ID: <CC7BF975.F12F%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

Some pics from the weekend's rally here in Sydney. Probably one of the
biggest we have had at Clarendon. Some pics at:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/samc2012/index.htm

Patrick M Livingstone
0418 692013
Earlwood NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From rotigel at me.com  Sun Sep 16 04:56:10 2012
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 07:56:10 -0400
Subject: [SEL] 2012 Sydney Rally
In-Reply-To: <CC7BF975.F12F%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
References: <CC7BF975.F12F%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4E47DCFA-5716-4619-AA70-7AB1E65464B5@me.com>

That Ballarat Bulldog is just about as pretty a little thing as I have ever seen!
	Dave

On Sep 16, 2012, at 7:47 AM, Patrick Livingstone wrote:

> Some pics from the weekend's rally here in Sydney. Probably one of the
> biggest we have had at Clarendon. Some pics at:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/samc2012/index.htm
> 
> Patrick M Livingstone
> 0418 692013
> Earlwood NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
> 



From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun Sep 16 05:01:54 2012
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 08:01:54 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] 2012 Sydney Rally
Message-ID: <10ee1.712a496a.3d8719b2@aol.com>



 
In a message dated 9/16/2012 7:50:54 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
patrick.livingstone at gmail.com writes:

Probably one of the
biggest we have had at  Clarendon.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----------------------------------------------------------------
 
Patrick,
 
As always, some great show pictures of the old engines from you.   Must be 
one mighty nice show to attend.  Also, one fine looking chap  starting young 
in the repair business!  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord, Va.  
germoamer at aol.com




From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sun Sep 16 06:23:50 2012
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 09:23:50 -0400
Subject: [SEL] 2012 Sydney Rally
In-Reply-To: <4E47DCFA-5716-4619-AA70-7AB1E65464B5@me.com>
References: <CC7BF975.F12F%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<4E47DCFA-5716-4619-AA70-7AB1E65464B5@me.com>
Message-ID: <F0F13C78-9E97-4169-B411-52E241857E46@scrtc.com>

The curved spokes add to it's eye appeal for sure!

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


 Sent from my iPad

On Sep 16, 2012, at 7:56 AM, Dave Rotigel <rotigel at me.com> wrote:

> That Ballarat Bulldog is just about as pretty a little thing as I have ever seen!
>    Dave
> 
> On Sep 16, 2012, at 7:47 AM, Patrick Livingstone wrote:
> 
>> Some pics from the weekend's rally here in Sydney. Probably one of the
>> biggest we have had at Clarendon. Some pics at:
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/samc2012/index.htm
>> 
>> Patrick M Livingstone
>> 
>> 



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sun Sep 16 08:01:26 2012
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 11:01:26 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Museum Find with Many Lorenz & Benz Engines
Message-ID: <706d9c27962507e542ce2c798dcd7b6b.squirrel@mail.realprodata.com>

This museum has got an incredible collection of stationary
engines.
http://www.starestroje.cz/stroje.stabilni.zemedelsky.spalovaci.motor.php

Unless you read Czech, use Google Translate for full enjoyment.

I was delighted to find 18 Lorenz and two Benz engines to add
to the registry.  Two of the Lorenz and both of the Benz engines
are the very early ignitor-fired variety.  Other unusual Lorenz
engines include the first factory water pumping outfit I've seen
and the largest Lorenz I've seen at 25-30 hp!

http://www.starestroje.cz/fotoalbum.php?adresar=/motory/Lorenz
http://www.starestroje.cz/fotoalbum.php?adresar=/motory/Benz

And then there's this cute little Hedgehog.  8-))
http://www.starestroje.cz/fotoalbum.php?adresar=/motory/Jezek

Enjoy!

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com






From mr at carolina.rr.com  Sun Sep 16 09:30:40 2012
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 12:30:40 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Museum Find with Many Lorenz & Benz Engines
In-Reply-To: <706d9c27962507e542ce2c798dcd7b6b.squirrel@mail.realprodata.com>
References: <706d9c27962507e542ce2c798dcd7b6b.squirrel@mail.realprodata.com>
Message-ID: <F0CE8E2838AE4797973F8CA4EDE634F4@RoysterPC>

Good find Arnie!!!!!!!!!

-----Original Message----- 
From: Arnie Fero 
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 11:01 AM 
To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org ; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com 
Subject: Museum Find with Many Lorenz & Benz Engines 

This museum has got an incredible collection of stationary
engines.
http://www.starestroje.cz/stroje.stabilni.zemedelsky.spalovaci.motor.php

Unless you read Czech, use Google Translate for full enjoyment.

I was delighted to find 18 Lorenz and two Benz engines to add
to the registry.  Two of the Lorenz and both of the Benz engines
are the very early ignitor-fired variety.  Other unusual Lorenz
engines include the first factory water pumping outfit I've seen
and the largest Lorenz I've seen at 25-30 hp!

http://www.starestroje.cz/fotoalbum.php?adresar=/motory/Lorenz
http://www.starestroje.cz/fotoalbum.php?adresar=/motory/Benz

And then there's this cute little Hedgehog.  8-))
http://www.starestroje.cz/fotoalbum.php?adresar=/motory/Jezek

Enjoy!

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com





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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sun Sep 16 09:48:10 2012
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 12:48:10 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Museum Find with Many Lorenz & Benz Engines
Message-ID: <d39654876ad5f0f63e29124dac8bd8bd.squirrel@mail.realprodata.com>

There's more!!

They have a great set of Lorenz engine history pages.
http://www.starestroje.cz/historie/historie.lorenz.osudy.php
http://www.starestroje.cz/historie/historie.lorenz.motory.php
http://www.starestroje.cz/historie/stacionarni.motory.lorenz.php
http://www.starestroje.cz/historie/historie.lorenz.magneton.php

And they sell some parts for Lorenz engines and they sell
brass engine tags for Lorenz, Benz, and other Czech-built engines.
http://www.starestroje.cz/fotoalbum.php?adresar=/prodej/nahradni.dily-stitky

See ya,  Arnie

On Sun, September 16, 2012 11:01 am, Arnie Fero wrote:
> This museum has got an incredible collection of stationary
> engines.
> http://www.starestroje.cz
>




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sun Sep 16 11:18:46 2012
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 14:18:46 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] 2012 Sydney Rally
In-Reply-To: <CC7BF975.F12F%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
References: <CC7BF975.F12F%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <370b38349a4115a786fead00ca901570.squirrel@mail.realprodata.com>

Patrick, that's a couple of sweet looking half-breeds there.
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/samc2012/pages/2012cc%20016_jpg.htm
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/samc2012/pages/2012cc%20021_jpg.htm

Any idea how they got to Oz?

See ya,  Arnie

On Sun, September 16, 2012 7:47 am, Patrick Livingstone wrote:
> Some pics from the weekend's rally here in Sydney. Probably one of the
> biggest we have had at Clarendon. Some pics at:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/samc2012/index.htm
>




From rotigel at me.com  Sun Sep 16 11:32:37 2012
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 14:32:37 -0400
Subject: [SEL] Museum Find with Many Lorenz & Benz Engines
In-Reply-To: <706d9c27962507e542ce2c798dcd7b6b.squirrel@mail.realprodata.com>
References: <706d9c27962507e542ce2c798dcd7b6b.squirrel@mail.realprodata.com>
Message-ID: <4A3794FD-FE20-467F-AD42-EE51FDE8BE63@me.com>

I LOVE the title under the two guys on the main page with the large engine. If my Czech/English translation is correct "dobov? fotografie stabiln?ho motoru p?i pr?ci na stavb?" roughly translates to "These damn things are all female!"
	Dave

On Sep 16, 2012, at 11:01 AM, Arnie Fero wrote:

> This museum has got an incredible collection of stationary
> engines.
> http://www.starestroje.cz/stroje.stabilni.zemedelsky.spalovaci.motor.php
> 
> Unless you read Czech, use Google Translate for full enjoyment.
> 
> I was delighted to find 18 Lorenz and two Benz engines to add
> to the registry.  Two of the Lorenz and both of the Benz engines
> are the very early ignitor-fired variety.  Other unusual Lorenz
> engines include the first factory water pumping outfit I've seen
> and the largest Lorenz I've seen at 25-30 hp!
> 
> http://www.starestroje.cz/fotoalbum.php?adresar=/motory/Lorenz
> http://www.starestroje.cz/fotoalbum.php?adresar=/motory/Benz
> 
> And then there's this cute little Hedgehog.  8-))
> http://www.starestroje.cz/fotoalbum.php?adresar=/motory/Jezek
> 
> Enjoy!
> 
> See ya,  Arnie
> 
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA
> fero_ah at city-net.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From rob at rustyiron.com  Sun Sep 16 11:58:10 2012
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 11:58:10 -0700
Subject: [SEL] 2012 Sydney Rally
In-Reply-To: <370b38349a4115a786fead00ca901570.squirrel@mail.realprodata.com>
References: <CC7BF975.F12F%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
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On Sep 16, 2012, at 11:18 AM, Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:

> Patrick, that's a couple of sweet looking half-breeds there.
> 
> Any idea how they got to Oz?


Here?s a little more on the Gibbs & Russell:
http://www.rustyiron.com/Articles/bouma'sone-of-a-.html




From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun Sep 16 12:04:28 2012
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 15:04:28 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Museum Find with Many Lorenz & Benz Engines
Message-ID: <54853.595513d4.3d877cbb@aol.com>



 
In a message dated 9/16/2012 2:40:33 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
rotigel at me.com writes:

These damn things are all female!"
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
---------------------------


Maybe  Dave, but did you notice how they had that engine seriously staked 
in  place.  Must have been a semi-permanent setup.

Tom  Schmutz
Concord, Va.  
germoamer at aol.com



From rotigel at me.com  Sun Sep 16 12:56:22 2012
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 15:56:22 -0400
Subject: [SEL] 2012 Sydney Rally
In-Reply-To: <F0F13C78-9E97-4169-B411-52E241857E46@scrtc.com>
References: <CC7BF975.F12F%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<4E47DCFA-5716-4619-AA70-7AB1E65464B5@me.com>
	<F0F13C78-9E97-4169-B411-52E241857E46@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <CD153510-4D70-4D4B-BDC1-91B64C5BE2F6@me.com>

Yes! Something we all all agree on is that "curves" are nice! (Arnie and I have long said that they are the BEST part of engine shows!)
	Dave

On Sep 16, 2012, at 9:23 AM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote:

> The curved spokes add to it's eye appeal for sure!
> 
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On Sep 16, 2012, at 7:56 AM, Dave Rotigel <rotigel at me.com> wrote:
> 
>> That Ballarat Bulldog is just about as pretty a little thing as I have ever seen!
>>   Dave
>> 
>> On Sep 16, 2012, at 7:47 AM, Patrick Livingstone wrote:
>> 
>>> Some pics from the weekend's rally here in Sydney. Probably one of the
>>> biggest we have had at Clarendon. Some pics at:
>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/samc2012/index.htm
>>> 
>>> Patrick M Livingstone
>>> 
>>> 
> 
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From russell at ncable.com.au  Sun Sep 16 16:49:25 2012
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 09:49:25 +1000
Subject: [SEL] 2012 Sydney Rally
In-Reply-To: <370b38349a4115a786fead00ca901570.squirrel@mail.realprodata.com>
References: <CC7BF975.F12F%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<370b38349a4115a786fead00ca901570.squirrel@mail.realprodata.com>
Message-ID: <AC7098BF-8701-42B8-BEA9-ED1F329A9456@ncable.com.au>

Arnie they came via a boat!


On 17/09/2012, at 4:18 AM, Arnie Fero wrote:

> Patrick, that's a couple of sweet looking half-breeds there.
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/samc2012/pages/2012cc%20016_jpg.htm
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/samc2012/pages/2012cc%20021_jpg.htm
> 
> Any idea how they got to Oz?
> 
> See ya,  Arnie
> 
> On Sun, September 16, 2012 7:47 am, Patrick Livingstone wrote:
>> Some pics from the weekend's rally here in Sydney. Probably one of the
>> biggest we have had at Clarendon. Some pics at:
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/samc2012/index.htm
>> 
> 
> 
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From russell at ncable.com.au  Sun Sep 16 16:51:10 2012
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 09:51:10 +1000
Subject: [SEL] 2012 Sydney Rally
In-Reply-To: <CC7BF975.F12F%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
References: <CC7BF975.F12F%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ABDF2196-B752-4D3B-A4DA-3F8F4DF02AA0@ncable.com.au>

Patrick any idea on the asking price of the Ballarat Bulldog?

I wonder how many have survived.
Russell

On 16/09/2012, at 9:47 PM, Patrick Livingstone wrote:

> Some pics from the weekend's rally here in Sydney. Probably one of the
> biggest we have had at Clarendon. Some pics at:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/samc2012/index.htm
> 
> Patrick M Livingstone
> 0418 692013
> Earlwood NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
> 
> 
> 
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From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Sun Sep 16 17:07:05 2012
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 10:07:05 +1000
Subject: [SEL] 2012 Sydney Rally
In-Reply-To: <ABDF2196-B752-4D3B-A4DA-3F8F4DF02AA0@ncable.com.au>
References: <CC7BF975.F12F%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<ABDF2196-B752-4D3B-A4DA-3F8F4DF02AA0@ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <890B3C1C-090A-408D-8193-4B7333AA3377@gmail.com>

Hi russel. He is asking $8000 for the Bulldog. One flywheel has a cracked hub. I have only seen 2 of them and they supposedly only made 60 of them. 
Patrick

Sent from my iPhone

On 17/09/2012, at 9:51, Russell <russell at ncable.com.au> wrote:

> Patrick any idea on the asking price of the Ballarat Bulldog?
> 
> I wonder how many have survived.
> Russell
> 
> On 16/09/2012, at 9:47 PM, Patrick Livingstone wrote:
> 
>> Some pics from the weekend's rally here in Sydney. Probably one of the
>> biggest we have had at Clarendon. Some pics at:
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/samc2012/index.htm
>> 
>> Patrick M Livingstone
>> 0418 692013
>> Earlwood NSW
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From russell at ncable.com.au  Sun Sep 16 17:15:36 2012
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 10:15:36 +1000
Subject: [SEL] 2012 Sydney Rally
In-Reply-To: <890B3C1C-090A-408D-8193-4B7333AA3377@gmail.com>
References: <CC7BF975.F12F%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<ABDF2196-B752-4D3B-A4DA-3F8F4DF02AA0@ncable.com.au>
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Do you know of further info on them; what sizes they made; curved or straight spokes, were they all push rod engines?
Russell

On 17/09/2012, at 10:07 AM, Patrick Livingstone wrote:

> Hi russel. He is asking $8000 for the Bulldog. One flywheel has a cracked hub. I have only seen 2 of them and they supposedly only made 60 of them. 
> Patrick
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 17/09/2012, at 9:51, Russell <russell at ncable.com.au> wrote:
> 
>> Patrick any idea on the asking price of the Ballarat Bulldog?
>> 
>> I wonder how many have survived.
>> Russell
>> 
>> On 16/09/2012, at 9:47 PM, Patrick Livingstone wrote:
>> 
>>> Some pics from the weekend's rally here in Sydney. Probably one of the
>>> biggest we have had at Clarendon. Some pics at:
>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/samc2012/index.htm
>>> 
>>> Patrick M Livingstone
>>> 0418 692013
>>> Earlwood NSW
>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Sun Sep 16 19:12:53 2012
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 12:12:53 +1000
Subject: [SEL] 2012 Sydney Rally
In-Reply-To: <10ee1.712a496a.3d8719b2@aol.com>
Message-ID: <CC7CC445.F14F%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

Samuel makes me proud. With no prompting he just grabs the tools and
attempts to help.
It is a worry when he gets hold of the hammer...
Patrick


On 16/9/12 10:01 PM, "Germoamer at aol.com" <Germoamer at aol.com> wrote:

> 
> 
>  
> In a message dated 9/16/2012 7:50:54 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> patrick.livingstone at gmail.com writes:
> 
> Probably one of the
> biggest we have had at  Clarendon.
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
>  
> Patrick,
>  
> As always, some great show pictures of the old engines from you.   Must be
> one mighty nice show to attend.  Also, one fine looking chap  starting young
> in the repair business!
> 
> Tom  Schmutz
> Concord, Va.  
> germoamer at aol.com
> 
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sun Sep 16 20:54:17 2012
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 23:54:17 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Museum Find with Many Lorenz & Benz Engines
In-Reply-To: <4A3794FD-FE20-467F-AD42-EE51FDE8BE63@me.com>
References: <706d9c27962507e542ce2c798dcd7b6b.squirrel@mail.realprodata.com>
	<4A3794FD-FE20-467F-AD42-EE51FDE8BE63@me.com>
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ROFLMAO!!  True dat...

On Sun, September 16, 2012 2:32 pm, Dave Rotigel wrote:
> I LOVE the title under the two guys on the main page with the large
> engine. If my Czech/English translation is correct "dobov?? fotografie
> stabiln??ho motoru p??i pr??ci na stavb??" roughly translates to "These
> damn things are all female!"
> 	Dave




From George.Best at adp.com  Mon Sep 17 08:12:18 2012
From: George.Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 10:12:18 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Museum Find with Many Lorenz & Benz Engines
In-Reply-To: <706d9c27962507e542ce2c798dcd7b6b.squirrel@mail.realprodata.com>
References: <706d9c27962507e542ce2c798dcd7b6b.squirrel@mail.realprodata.com>
Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD4148EE9A258@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>

I won't say "Nice find!" like some others, as I also get emails from Zednek and a LOT OF PHOTOS about museums, shows, collections in the Czech Republic.

I do plan on visiting this museum next May prior to the Nuenen show.  So if anyone needs brass tags for their Czech engines, I can possibly pick up a few and have them at Nuenen or mail them to people after I return home from that trip.

I've been exchanging emails with Zednek for as long as Arnie and hope to actually meet him next May.  I've been impressed with the photos he keeps sending me as there are a lot more early Czech engines in that country than I was originally led to believe by some of the other European engine collectors.

George

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Arnie Fero
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 8:01 AM
To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] Museum Find with Many Lorenz & Benz Engines

This museum has got an incredible collection of stationary engines.
http://www.starestroje.cz/stroje.stabilni.zemedelsky.spalovaci.motor.php

Unless you read Czech, use Google Translate for full enjoyment.

I was delighted to find 18 Lorenz and two Benz engines to add to the registry.  Two of the Lorenz and both of the Benz engines are the very early ignitor-fired variety.  Other unusual Lorenz engines include the first factory water pumping outfit I've seen and the largest Lorenz I've seen at 25-30 hp!

http://www.starestroje.cz/fotoalbum.php?adresar=/motory/Lorenz
http://www.starestroje.cz/fotoalbum.php?adresar=/motory/Benz

And then there's this cute little Hedgehog.  8-)) http://www.starestroje.cz/fotoalbum.php?adresar=/motory/Jezek

Enjoy!

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com




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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Sep 19 06:51:33 2012
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 09:51:33 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] 1988 Crossley-Otto Slide Valve Piano Base 2 hp
Message-ID: <596e049bc90c4b4c1759372e0d99eb99.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com>

Hi Folks,

Got an interesting auction catalog in the mail from Aumann Auctions.

It's for the Lake Side Farms Tractor & Engine Collection.
http://www.aumannauctions.com/index.php?subp=1&sct=2&pg=ap&pid=26647
http://www.aumannauctions.com/index.php?subp=1&sct=2&pg=ap&pid=25724
The catalog is here...
http://www.aumann.streamlineftp.com/issue1/index.html

There are a lot of really neat engines and tractors in the auction,
but the Crossley-Otto Slide Valve really caught my eye.

Anyone want to speculate on what it might sell for?
I'm guessing well north of $100K.

Tommy, do you plan to attend this auction?  8-))

See ya,  Arnie




From George.Best at adp.com  Wed Sep 19 07:17:16 2012
From: George.Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 09:17:16 -0500
Subject: [SEL] 1887 Crossley-Otto Slide Valve Piano Base 2 hp
Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD4148F1E50E6@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>

Arnie,

I'm sure it will go north of $150k.
What I wonder, is if it will be staying in this country.
If it does leave the country, I hope it is shown at Nuenen next year.

It should be top dollar engine for the auction.

Will also be interesting to see what the big Mogul tractor goes for. 
I could also be in the same price area as the piano base Crossley.

George

Ps. It's not a 1988 engine as indicated in the subject line ;-)

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Arnie Fero
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 6:52 AM
To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] 1988 Crossley-Otto Slide Valve Piano Base 2 hp

Hi Folks,

Got an interesting auction catalog in the mail from Aumann Auctions.

It's for the Lake Side Farms Tractor & Engine Collection.
http://www.aumannauctions.com/index.php?subp=1&sct=2&pg=ap&pid=26647
http://www.aumannauctions.com/index.php?subp=1&sct=2&pg=ap&pid=25724
The catalog is here...
http://www.aumann.streamlineftp.com/issue1/index.html

There are a lot of really neat engines and tractors in the auction, but the Crossley-Otto Slide Valve really caught my eye.

Anyone want to speculate on what it might sell for?
I'm guessing well north of $100K.

Tommy, do you plan to attend this auction?  8-))

See ya,  Arnie


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From Lcjudge at scrtc.com  Wed Sep 19 07:22:29 2012
From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Tommy Turner)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 10:22:29 -0400
Subject: [SEL] 1988 Crossley-Otto Slide Valve Piano Base 2 hp
In-Reply-To: <596e049bc90c4b4c1759372e0d99eb99.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com>
References: <596e049bc90c4b4c1759372e0d99eb99.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com>
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Arnie,
	I certainly want to be there but I'm sure I'll be more of a
spectator than a buyer.  On the Crossley Otto....its hard to say.  I would
be surprised if it didn't end up across the water.   

	What I want to kick myself over is I could have bought the engine in
the late 80's for less than $10,000.  When I decided I had better go on and
purchase it I called the gent in England who owned it (his name was Ed
Moffett) and he had sold it a couple of weeks prior.  But, that was
then....this is now.  As a "guesstimate" to what it will bring, I'd say in
excess of twice the amount you speculated.  (If it were much less than that
maybe I will be a buyer....that is if the wife and the bank both were to say
"yes").	

	There certainly is some fine iron in that sale.

Tommy Turner



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Arnie Fero
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 9:52 AM
To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org; sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] 1988 Crossley-Otto Slide Valve Piano Base 2 hp

Hi Folks,

Got an interesting auction catalog in the mail from Aumann Auctions.

It's for the Lake Side Farms Tractor & Engine Collection.
http://www.aumannauctions.com/index.php?subp=1&sct=2&pg=ap&pid=26647
http://www.aumannauctions.com/index.php?subp=1&sct=2&pg=ap&pid=25724
The catalog is here...
http://www.aumann.streamlineftp.com/issue1/index.html

There are a lot of really neat engines and tractors in the auction, but the
Crossley-Otto Slide Valve really caught my eye.

Anyone want to speculate on what it might sell for?
I'm guessing well north of $100K.

Tommy, do you plan to attend this auction?  8-))

See ya,  Arnie


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From Lcjudge at scrtc.com  Wed Sep 19 07:36:36 2012
From: Lcjudge at scrtc.com (Tommy Turner)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 10:36:36 -0400
Subject: [SEL] 1887 Crossley-Otto Slide Valve Piano Base 2 hp
In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD4148F1E50E6@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
References: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD4148F1E50E6@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
Message-ID: <007201cd9674$2cb1e080$8615a180$@scrtc.com>

George,
	I'm sure that big Mogul tractor will be a HIGH dollar item.  The 45
Mogul at the Gary Parker auction brought $275,000 and I would think that
Peter's 45 would be considered considerably better than Gary's (at least
comparing them on sale date vs. condition at sale date, the one sold at
Gary's auction may have had additional work done on it since then and is
probably top notch now).

	I agree that the Crossley will be the highest priced engine (by far)
sold at the sale.  I'd like to see it stay in the US but if it can't, I hope
its at Nuenen next year.

Tommy




-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Best, George
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 10:17 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] 1887 Crossley-Otto Slide Valve Piano Base 2 hp

Arnie,

I'm sure it will go north of $150k.
What I wonder, is if it will be staying in this country.
If it does leave the country, I hope it is shown at Nuenen next year.

It should be top dollar engine for the auction.

Will also be interesting to see what the big Mogul tractor goes for. 
I could also be in the same price area as the piano base Crossley.

George

Ps. It's not a 1988 engine as indicated in the subject line ;-)



From oldironnut at windstream.net  Wed Sep 19 08:02:05 2012
From: oldironnut at windstream.net (Michael Tucker)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 11:02:05 -0400
Subject: [SEL] 1988 Crossley-Otto Slide Valve Piano Base 2 hp
In-Reply-To: <596e049bc90c4b4c1759372e0d99eb99.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com>
References: <596e049bc90c4b4c1759372e0d99eb99.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com>
Message-ID: <F4ADF430-8F56-46EC-AFB9-484AAE48898F@windstream.net>

Yep, that's some amazing iron! So Arnie, are you going to go and do an auction report complete with final prices, minus the prices on all of the engines that you buy, of course (except for the Otto? I'm sure you'll tell us how much you pay for the Otto)?

Mike

On Sep 19, 2012, at 9:51 AM, Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:

> Hi Folks,
> 
> Got an interesting auction catalog in the mail from Aumann Auctions.
> 
> It's for the Lake Side Farms Tractor & Engine Collection.
> http://www.aumannauctions.com/index.php?subp=1&sct=2&pg=ap&pid=26647
> http://www.aumannauctions.com/index.php?subp=1&sct=2&pg=ap&pid=25724
> The catalog is here...
> http://www.aumann.streamlineftp.com/issue1/index.html
> 
> There are a lot of really neat engines and tractors in the auction,
> but the Crossley-Otto Slide Valve really caught my eye.
> 
> Anyone want to speculate on what it might sell for?
> I'm guessing well north of $100K.
> 
> Tommy, do you plan to attend this auction?  8-))
> 
> See ya,  Arnie
> 
> 
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From oldironnut at windstream.net  Wed Sep 19 08:05:56 2012
From: oldironnut at windstream.net (Michael Tucker)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 11:05:56 -0400
Subject: [SEL] 1887 Crossley-Otto Slide Valve Piano Base 2 hp
In-Reply-To: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD4148F1E50E6@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
References: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD4148F1E50E6@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>
Message-ID: <F8B41137-1A13-4492-8713-7E2D868E3BA0@windstream.net>

Since we're speculating, what will be the price range of the 15 hp IHC Famous Type A Gear Drive?

Mike




From russell at ncable.com.au  Wed Sep 19 15:14:19 2012
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell)
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 08:14:19 +1000
Subject: [SEL] 1988 Crossley-Otto Slide Valve Piano Base 2 hp
In-Reply-To: <596e049bc90c4b4c1759372e0d99eb99.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com>
References: <596e049bc90c4b4c1759372e0d99eb99.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com>
Message-ID: <915A38BF-DB3B-483E-89B7-C599C4561586@ncable.com.au>

Arnie I wish I had the time to go, (and spare dollars) Could fly over and free load a home stay with you or Dave and have you guys drive me there and collect my loot ! lol. Man there is some really nice stuff at that auction. Talk over here is also about 300k plus for the piano base. 
A very nice one was shown in the TOMM a few years back. I know the owner very well and Im sure he will be smiling when the hammer falls on this one. Will be well well above the purchase of the Aussie one. (there are a few in Australia byw) 

If you come to the National and do the tour thing you could probably get to check it out. (ask Patrick off list)

This sale would be well worth the visit just to be a spectator. 
Russell


On 19/09/2012, at 11:51 PM, Arnie Fero wrote:

> Hi Folks,
> 
> Got an interesting auction catalog in the mail from Aumann Auctions.
> 
> It's for the Lake Side Farms Tractor & Engine Collection.
> http://www.aumannauctions.com/index.php?subp=1&sct=2&pg=ap&pid=26647
> http://www.aumannauctions.com/index.php?subp=1&sct=2&pg=ap&pid=25724
> The catalog is here...
> http://www.aumann.streamlineftp.com/issue1/index.html
> 
> There are a lot of really neat engines and tractors in the auction,
> but the Crossley-Otto Slide Valve really caught my eye.
> 
> Anyone want to speculate on what it might sell for?
> I'm guessing well north of $100K.
> 
> Tommy, do you plan to attend this auction?  8-))
> 
> See ya,  Arnie
> 
> 
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From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Wed Sep 19 16:29:21 2012
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 07:29:21 +0800
Subject: [SEL] 1988 Crossley-Otto Slide Valve Piano Base 2 hp
In-Reply-To: <915A38BF-DB3B-483E-89B7-C599C4561586@ncable.com.au>
References: <596e049bc90c4b4c1759372e0d99eb99.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com>
	<915A38BF-DB3B-483E-89B7-C599C4561586@ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <645F65E2A73A4B02A0532991BECD9208@KerryPC>

Yep its on the Down Under Tour list
Are you coming to the National

Kerry

> If you come to the National and do the tour thing you could probably get 
> to check it out. (ask Patrick off list)
>



From russell at ncable.com.au  Wed Sep 19 18:28:09 2012
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell)
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 11:28:09 +1000
Subject: [SEL] 1988 Crossley-Otto Slide Valve Piano Base 2 hp
In-Reply-To: <645F65E2A73A4B02A0532991BECD9208@KerryPC>
References: <596e049bc90c4b4c1759372e0d99eb99.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com>
	<915A38BF-DB3B-483E-89B7-C599C4561586@ncable.com.au>
	<645F65E2A73A4B02A0532991BECD9208@KerryPC>
Message-ID: <A60DAA06-3B74-4BBB-982F-D64AA63DE1EE@ncable.com.au>

Yes Kerry, looking at leaving on the Sunday or Monday from home stopping by your place before heading into Penrith. Arrive at the National on the Thursday?

Russ


On 20/09/2012, at 9:29 AM, Kerry wrote:

> Yep its on the Down Under Tour list
> Are you coming to the National
> 
> Kerry
> 
>> If you come to the National and do the tour thing you could probably get 
>> to check it out. (ask Patrick off list)
>> 
> 
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Thu Sep 20 07:20:05 2012
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 10:20:05 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] 1988 Crossley-Otto Slide Valve Piano Base 2 hp
Message-ID: <0998d0a055c6640a6f772bcac02043ad.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com>

Jim,

The auction will be carried live on the web.

Arnie

On Wed, September 19, 2012 8:15 pm, Jim Dunmyer wrote:
> I'd sure like to know what some of those pieces do end up selling for. Is
> anyone attending?
>
>                                                                           <<Jim>>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <rdhaskell at juno.com>
> To: <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 12:04 PM
> Subject: Re: 1988 Crossley-Otto Slide Valve Piano Base 2 hp
>
>
>> Hi Arnie.
>> I have heard it will go over $300K  I think it would look good in your
>> shed.




From rdhaskell at juno.com  Thu Sep 20 11:57:13 2012
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 11:57:13 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Blackstone instructions.
Message-ID: <20120920.115810.1554.33916@mailpop02.vgs.untd.com>

Hi all.
I am in the middle of restoring my JSI Blackstone.  I downloaded
"Instructions for fixing, starting and working the Blackstone Oil
Engine".  Book 420, dated 1927.  I find I am missing pages 5 and 6, and
can't find where I got them from.  Do any of you know where I can find
this manual?  Thanks.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell
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From rob at rustyiron.com  Thu Sep 20 12:10:41 2012
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 12:10:41 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Blackstone instructions.
In-Reply-To: <20120920.115810.1554.33916@mailpop02.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20120920.115810.1554.33916@mailpop02.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <BC1A56B6-9D15-4BAD-84CE-DE12A70271E8@rustyiron.com>


On Sep 20, 2012, at 11:57 AM, rdhaskell at juno.com wrote:

> Hi all.
> I am in the middle of restoring my JSI Blackstone.  I downloaded
> "Instructions for fixing, starting and working the Blackstone Oil
> Engine".  Book 420, dated 1927.  I find I am missing pages 5 and 6, and
> can't find where I got them from.  Do any of you know where I can find
> this manual?  Thanks.

Hi, Ron. 
Are you working on the Mac? If so, you might be in luck. 

Click once on the filename in the Finder or on your Desktop, so that it is highlighted. 
Type <command><i> to get the information on the file.
Beneath the heading ?More Info,? you might be able to see where the file came from. 
If it came from an email, web site, scanner, or was created by an application, 
you?ll probably be able to determine the source. 

Good luck.
Rob





From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Thu Sep 20 21:50:51 2012
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 14:50:51 +1000
Subject: [SEL] F-M Eclipse
Message-ID: <CC822F4B.F1D5%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

This one unexpectedly came home with me on the weekend:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Eclipse/2012-09-15%2019.50.39
.jpg

http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Eclipse/2012-09-15%2019.56.10
.jpg

Another Fairbanks Morse No2 Eclipse. It is not stuck and is only missing the
carby and fuel tank. This one seems to be in much better condition than the
one I already had so it may be the one to be kept and restored.
Patrick

Patrick M Livingstone
0418 692013
Earlwood NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From jnyost at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 21 02:19:19 2012
From: jnyost at yahoo.com (Jim Yost)
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 05:19:19 -0400
Subject: [SEL] F-M Eclipse
In-Reply-To: <CC822F4B.F1D5%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
References: <CC822F4B.F1D5%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <61C65B5F-1296-4C3D-8E4E-471E87B9C12B@yahoo.com>

Pat

Like to see pic but my putor said it could not find page. Not sure if it's on my end or yours. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 21, 2012, at 12:50 AM, Patrick Livingstone <patrick.livingstone at gmail.com> wrote:

> This one unexpectedly came home with me on the weekend:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Eclipse/2012-09-15%2019.50.39
> .jpg
> 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Eclipse/2012-09-15%2019.56.10
> .jpg
> 
> Another Fairbanks Morse No2 Eclipse. It is not stuck and is only missing the
> carby and fuel tank. This one seems to be in much better condition than the
> one I already had so it may be the one to be kept and restored.
> Patrick
> 
> Patrick M Livingstone
> 0418 692013
> Earlwood NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From al.harris at rustic-engines.com  Fri Sep 21 02:41:10 2012
From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris)
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 19:41:10 +1000
Subject: [SEL] F-M Eclipse
In-Reply-To: <61C65B5F-1296-4C3D-8E4E-471E87B9C12B@yahoo.com>
References: <CC822F4B.F1D5%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<61C65B5F-1296-4C3D-8E4E-471E87B9C12B@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <505C3636.6060300@rustic-engines.com>

Try these Jim.

> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Eclipse/2012-09-15%2019.50.39.jpg

> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Eclipse/2012-09-15%2019.56.10.jpg

Al




On 21/09/2012 7:19 PM, Jim Yost wrote:
> Pat
>
> Like to see pic but my putor said it could not find page. Not sure if it's on my end or yours.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 21, 2012, at 12:50 AM, Patrick Livingstone <patrick.livingstone at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> This one unexpectedly came home with me on the weekend:
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Eclipse/2012-09-15%2019.50.39
>> .jpg
>>
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Eclipse/2012-09-15%2019.56.10
>> .jpg
>>
>> Another Fairbanks Morse No2 Eclipse. It is not stuck and is only missing the
>> carby and fuel tank. This one seems to be in much better condition than the
>> one I already had so it may be the one to be kept and restored.
>> Patrick
>>
>> Patrick M Livingstone
>> 0418 692013
>> Earlwood NSW
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From jnyost at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 21 03:45:22 2012
From: jnyost at yahoo.com (Jim Yost)
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 06:45:22 -0400
Subject: [SEL] F-M Eclipse
In-Reply-To: <505C3636.6060300@rustic-engines.com>
References: <CC822F4B.F1D5%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<61C65B5F-1296-4C3D-8E4E-471E87B9C12B@yahoo.com>
	<505C3636.6060300@rustic-engines.com>
Message-ID: <1A768E29-129E-4995-A64D-6E9A4298093D@yahoo.com>

Al 

Thanks it worked

Jim

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 21, 2012, at 5:41 AM, Al Harris <al.harris at rustic-engines.com> wrote:

> Try these Jim.
> 
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Eclipse/2012-09-15%2019.50.39.jpg
> 
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Eclipse/2012-09-15%2019.56.10.jpg
> 
> Al
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 21/09/2012 7:19 PM, Jim Yost wrote:
>> Pat
>> 
>> Like to see pic but my putor said it could not find page. Not sure if it's on my end or yours.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Sep 21, 2012, at 12:50 AM, Patrick Livingstone <patrick.livingstone at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> This one unexpectedly came home with me on the weekend:
>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Eclipse/2012-09-15%2019.50.39
>>> .jpg
>>> 
>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Eclipse/2012-09-15%2019.56.10
>>> .jpg
>>> 
>>> Another Fairbanks Morse No2 Eclipse. It is not stuck and is only missing the
>>> carby and fuel tank. This one seems to be in much better condition than the
>>> one I already had so it may be the one to be kept and restored.
>>> Patrick
>>> 
>>> Patrick M Livingstone
>>> 0418 692013
>>> Earlwood NSW
>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SEL mailing list
>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>> 
> 
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From frappi at wcoil.com  Fri Sep 21 08:20:01 2012
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 11:20:01 -0400
Subject: [SEL] F-M Eclipse
In-Reply-To: <61C65B5F-1296-4C3D-8E4E-471E87B9C12B@yahoo.com>
References: <CC822F4B.F1D5%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<61C65B5F-1296-4C3D-8E4E-471E87B9C12B@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20120921152001.E3FC7A434@smtp.wcoil.com>


Watch out for the word wrap of the last part of the 
address    .jpg   does not click with the rest of it. Cut and paste.


At 05:19 AM 9/21/2012, you wrote:
>Pat
>
>Like to see pic but my putor said it could not find page. Not sure 
>if it's on my end or yours.
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>On Sep 21, 2012, at 12:50 AM, Patrick Livingstone 
><patrick.livingstone at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > This one unexpectedly came home with me on the weekend:
> > 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Eclipse/2012-09-15%2019.50.39
> > .jpg
> >
> > 
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Eclipse/2012-09-15%2019.56.10
> > .jpg
> >
> > Another Fairbanks Morse No2 Eclipse. It is not stuck and is only 
> missing the
> > carby and fuel tank. This one seems to be in much better condition than the
> > one I already had so it may be the one to be kept and restored.
> > Patrick
> >
> > Patrick M Livingstone
> > 0418 692013
> > Earlwood NSW
> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


Mark Shulaw
454 County Road 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817
USA

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Hobby Collector and Dealer in John Deere
and Hercules Engines.
Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
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From frappi at wcoil.com  Fri Sep 21 09:02:37 2012
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 12:02:37 -0400
Subject: [SEL] <stationary-engine@oldengine.org>
In-Reply-To: <61C65B5F-1296-4C3D-8E4E-471E87B9C12B@yahoo.com>
References: <CC822F4B.F1D5%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<61C65B5F-1296-4C3D-8E4E-471E87B9C12B@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20120921160237.EE62A9EE8@smtp.wcoil.com>


Messages I am sending to <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
    are now bouncing.   Mark


Mark Shulaw
454 County Road 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817
USA

Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home
Hobby Collector and Dealer in John Deere
and Hercules Engines.
Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com  



From open_crank at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 21 10:56:11 2012
From: open_crank at yahoo.com (c)
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 17:56:11 +0000
Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 102, Issue 15 Blackstone Manual
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1348243201.2460.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
References: <mailman.3.1348243201.2460.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <505CAA3B.6000808@yahoo.com>

Source may have been the Internal Fire Museum in the UK.
They do have 1927 Blackstone manual 420 listed, & it was
missing a couple of pages when I downloaded. Worth trying
them again, in case it has been reloaded. I have not found
another, complete, source.

Colin


From rdhaskell at juno.com  Fri Sep 21 13:12:02 2012
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 13:12:02 -0700
Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 102, Issue 15 Blackstone Manual
Message-ID: <20120921.131251.1560.37570@mailpop03.vgs.untd.com>

Thanks for the reply Colin.
I was contacted by the Internal Fire Museum yesterday, they sent the
missing pages. I guess they were missing from the first download and I
didn't notice.


Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell


On Fri, 21 Sep 2012 17:56:11 +0000 c <open_crank at yahoo.com> writes:
> Source may have been the Internal Fire Museum in the UK.
> They do have 1927 Blackstone manual 420 listed, & it was
> missing a couple of pages when I downloaded. Worth trying
> them again, in case it has been reloaded. I have not found
> another, complete, source.
> 
> Colin
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From mr at carolina.rr.com  Fri Sep 21 14:50:59 2012
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 17:50:59 -0400
Subject: [SEL] F-M Eclipse
In-Reply-To: <CC822F4B.F1D5%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
References: <CC822F4B.F1D5%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <51978E3C70FC40F385F502D8D2C56F24@RoysterPC>

Patrick:

  If yours has the bracket to hold a battery box Craig Morrison has a fine 
example of that box.

Mike

-----Original Message----- 
From: Patrick Livingstone
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2012 12:50 AM
To: ATIS ; Oldengine
Subject: F-M Eclipse

This one unexpectedly came home with me on the weekend:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Eclipse/2012-09-15%2019.50.39
.jpg

http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/Eclipse/2012-09-15%2019.56.10
.jpg

Another Fairbanks Morse No2 Eclipse. It is not stuck and is only missing the
carby and fuel tank. This one seems to be in much better condition than the
one I already had so it may be the one to be kept and restored.
Patrick

Patrick M Livingstone
0418 692013
Earlwood NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html




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From Germoamer at aol.com  Sat Sep 22 11:57:47 2012
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2012 14:57:47 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] John Lawson engine
Message-ID: <3506.63bfa00e.3d8f642b@aol.com>

Can anyone help to date a John Lawson, 10 hp, sn 11663, type F, size D  
engine.
 
Would post a photo, but for some reason I cannot post to oldengine.org  
anymore.
 
thanks,  

Tom  Schmutz
Concord, Va.  
germoamer at aol.com


From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Sun Sep 23 03:52:57 2012
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2012 20:52:57 +1000
Subject: [SEL] F-M Eclipse
In-Reply-To: <1A768E29-129E-4995-A64D-6E9A4298093D@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CC852729.F211%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

There are more pics of the latest No.2 Eclipse and my other one on my site
at:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/fmeclipse21.html

Patrick M Livingstone
0418 692013
Earlwood NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Sep 30 11:08:17 2012
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 19:08:17 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Show/Swap Meet in CA?
Message-ID: <CAMEZ00+6KqO-g4khAysh3aWGTE_yQ95P5Kn+WumSpERBH8GPCQ@mail.gmail.com>

We are heading over to California for a short break, staying with our
very good friend, Tim.

He has some work lined up for me on his two 1950's cars, Studebaker
Commander and Hudson Hornet.

Gearbox out of one and the overdrive on the other.

While we are there, I noticed a classic car swap meet at Turlock on
the 7th, and wondered what else might be on?

Arrive 4th, return 16th, to arrive back in the UK on Rita's birthday.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk