From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sat May 5 11:45:00 2012 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 11:45:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Transportation Needed Message-ID: <1336243500.59047.YahooMailClassic@web111720.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Greeteings Folks. I am considering buying a very nice old Letz feed grinder but it is in Biglerville, PA. Do any of you live close enough to collect it for me and start it toward Michigan or Portland? ? Thank you Alan in Michigan From russell at ncable.com.au Sun May 6 01:55:40 2012 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell) Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 18:55:40 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Kerry the legend In-Reply-To: <4F9877C3.6000301@gru.net> References: <4F9877C3.6000301@gru.net> Message-ID: <9BAD896A-E7D0-42E7-AB56-D4282C4C0BB9@ncable.com.au> I have had this troublesome resto project for a number of years; My Watts Brothers Engine. The engine looks to have been through a fire at some point in time (not major but it got hot enough) to make it so nearly every bloody part of cast iron has made an attachment to it's neighbouring part. Well I have spent plenty of time, gas and language all to no avail trying to get a bloody gib key out so I can remove a flywheel. Well today I used the Morris patent gib key puller and bugger me dead if that sucker just didn't pop straight out. Bastard could have come any time it liked out the past year or so but no, had to wait until I made the tool for the job. Learn't my lesson now though. Morris your a bloody legend! Russ From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Sun May 6 02:09:34 2012 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Sun, 06 May 2012 19:09:34 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Kerry the legend In-Reply-To: <9BAD896A-E7D0-42E7-AB56-D4282C4C0BB9@ncable.com.au> References: <4F9877C3.6000301@gru.net> <9BAD896A-E7D0-42E7-AB56-D4282C4C0BB9@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <4FA63FCE.2030205@optusnet.com.au> Mate you only just worked that out, if you had asked I could have told you about the legend years ago or ......did I Well done with your engine, will be down your way in about 3-4 weeks so hope to catch up if you are there. Kerry On 6/05/2012 6:55 PM, Russell wrote: > I have had this troublesome resto project for a number of years; My Watts Brothers Engine. The engine looks to have been through a fire at some point in time (not major but it got hot enough) to make it so nearly every bloody part of cast iron has made an attachment to it's neighbouring part. Well I have spent plenty of time, gas and language all to no avail trying to get a bloody gib key out so I can remove a flywheel. Well today I used the Morris patent gib key puller and bugger me dead if that sucker just didn't pop straight out. Bastard could have come any time it liked out the past year or so but no, had to wait until I made the tool for the job. Learn't my lesson now though. > > Morris your a bloody legend! > Russ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -- Kerry Morris Tangye Engine Registrar 0400421133 Web Page. www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/ From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun May 6 07:35:50 2012 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 10:35:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Kerry the legend In-Reply-To: <9BAD896A-E7D0-42E7-AB56-D4282C4C0BB9@ncable.com.au> References: <4F9877C3.6000301@gru.net> <9BAD896A-E7D0-42E7-AB56-D4282C4C0BB9@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <52246938415dacf2784d2521b7cf7957.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com> Pictures of the Kerry Wonder Tool? On Sun, May 6, 2012 4:55 am, Russell wrote: > I have had this troublesome resto project for a number of years; My Watts > Brothers Engine. The engine looks to have been through a fire at some > point in time (not major but it got hot enough) to make it so nearly every > bloody part of cast iron has made an attachment to it's neighbouring part. > Well I have spent plenty of time, gas and language all to no avail trying > to get a bloody gib key out so I can remove a flywheel. Well today I used > the Morris patent gib key puller and bugger me dead if that sucker just > didn't pop straight out. Bastard could have come any time it liked out the > past year or so but no, had to wait until I made the tool for the job. > Learn't my lesson now though. > > Morris your a bloody legend! > Russ From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sun May 6 13:27:07 2012 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 13:27:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Transportation Needed In-Reply-To: <1336258557.9848.YahooMailClassic@web111701.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1336336027.97648.YahooMailClassic@web111709.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Okay, Folks I have made the deal. John says he can get it to Portland but is there anyone that is willing to pick it up in Biglerville, PA ? I really would love if it could be delivered to the Portland show in August. If it means a road trip I would be happy to pay someone gas money to pick it up. Alan in Michigan --- On Sat, 5/5/12, Alan wrote: From: Alan Subject: RE: Transportation Needed To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org Date: Saturday, May 5, 2012, 6:55 PM Thank you, John. I will see if I can make the deal and get back to you. This is not an eBay thing ? Alan --- On Sat, 5/5/12, JOHN DEBRULAR wrote: From: JOHN DEBRULAR Subject: RE: Transportation Needed To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org Date: Saturday, May 5, 2012, 4:38 PM I live in Parkersburg, West Virginia and can take it to Portland. ? From: stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org [mailto:stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org] On Behalf Of Alan Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 2:45 PM To: The SEL email discussion list; Old Engine.Org List Subject: Transportation Needed ? Greetings Folks. I am considering buying a very nice old Letz feed grinder but it is in Biglerville, PA. Do any of you live close enough to collect it for me and start it toward Michigan or Portland? ? Thank you Alan in Michigan No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2425/4979 - Release Date: 05/05/12 From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Sun May 6 13:55:28 2012 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Mon, 07 May 2012 06:55:28 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Kerry the legend In-Reply-To: <52246938415dacf2784d2521b7cf7957.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com> References: <4F9877C3.6000301@gru.net> <9BAD896A-E7D0-42E7-AB56-D4282C4C0BB9@ncable.com.au> <52246938415dacf2784d2521b7cf7957.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com> Message-ID: <4FA6E540.9080206@optusnet.com.au> http://www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/Webpages/National%20Key.html Kerry > Pictures of the Kerry Wonder Tool? > > > -- Kerry Morris Tangye Engine Registrar 0400421133 Web Page. www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/ From rfinksr at verizon.net Sun May 6 17:47:13 2012 From: rfinksr at verizon.net (Richard Fink) Date: Sun, 06 May 2012 19:47:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Transportation Needed References: <1336336027.97648.YahooMailClassic@web111709.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <69FC3E719BFC4620AFC421DEB910A275@COMPAQ> Alan do you have a zip for Biglerville pa. Maybe able to help. R Fink rfinksr at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan" To: Cc: Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2012 3:27 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Transportation Needed Okay, Folks I have made the deal. John says he can get it to Portland but is there anyone that is willing to pick it up in Biglerville, PA ? I really would love if it could be delivered to the Portland show in August. If it means a road trip I would be happy to pay someone gas money to pick it up. Alan in Michigan --- On Sat, 5/5/12, Alan wrote: From: Alan Subject: RE: Transportation Needed To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org Date: Saturday, May 5, 2012, 6:55 PM Thank you, John. I will see if I can make the deal and get back to you. This is not an eBay thing Alan --- On Sat, 5/5/12, JOHN DEBRULAR wrote: From: JOHN DEBRULAR Subject: RE: Transportation Needed To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org Date: Saturday, May 5, 2012, 4:38 PM I live in Parkersburg, West Virginia and can take it to Portland. From: stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org [mailto:stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org] On Behalf Of Alan Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 2:45 PM To: The SEL email discussion list; Old Engine.Org List Subject: Transportation Needed Greetings Folks. I am considering buying a very nice old Letz feed grinder but it is in Biglerville, PA. Do any of you live close enough to collect it for me and start it toward Michigan or Portland? Thank you Alan in Michigan No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2425/4979 - Release Date: 05/05/12 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2171 / Virus Database: 2425/4981 - Release Date: 05/06/12 From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sun May 6 17:17:53 2012 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 17:17:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Transportation Needed In-Reply-To: <69FC3E719BFC4620AFC421DEB910A275@COMPAQ> Message-ID: <1336349873.49194.YahooMailClassic@web111706.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Yes, It is 17307 --- On Sun, 5/6/12, Richard Fink wrote: From: Richard Fink Subject: Re: [SEL] Transportation Needed To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Sunday, May 6, 2012, 8:47 PM Alan do you have a zip for Biglerville pa. Maybe able to help. R Fink rfinksr at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan" To: Cc: Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2012 3:27 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Transportation Needed Okay, Folks I have made the deal. John says he can get it to Portland but is there anyone that is willing to pick it up in Biglerville, PA ? I really would love if it could be delivered to the Portland show in August. If it means a road trip I would be happy to pay someone gas money to pick it up. Alan in Michigan --- On Sat, 5/5/12, Alan wrote: From: Alan Subject: RE: Transportation Needed To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org Date: Saturday, May 5, 2012, 6:55 PM Thank you, John. I will see if I can make the deal and get back to you. This is not an eBay thing Alan --- On Sat, 5/5/12, JOHN DEBRULAR wrote: From: JOHN DEBRULAR Subject: RE: Transportation Needed To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org Date: Saturday, May 5, 2012, 4:38 PM I live in Parkersburg, West Virginia and can take it to Portland. From: stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org [mailto:stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org] On Behalf Of Alan Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 2:45 PM To: The SEL email discussion list; Old Engine.Org List Subject: Transportation Needed Greetings Folks. I am considering buying a very nice old Letz feed grinder but it is in Biglerville, PA. Do any of you live close enough to collect it for me and start it toward Michigan or Portland? Thank you Alan in Michigan No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2425/4979 - Release Date: 05/05/12 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2171 / Virus Database: 2425/4981 - Release Date: 05/06/12 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From curt at rustyiron.com Sun May 6 18:34:51 2012 From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com) Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 18:34:51 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Kerry the legend In-Reply-To: <52246938415dacf2784d2521b7cf7957.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com> References: <4F9877C3.6000301@gru.net> <9BAD896A-E7D0-42E7-AB56-D4282C4C0BB9@ncable.com.au> <52246938415dacf2784d2521b7cf7957.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com> Message-ID: <3a00173019eb2c36b3809800bd37e6f8.squirrel@elara.lunarservers.com> Arnie, I thought this was a family list :-) Curt H > Pictures of the Kerry Wonder Tool? From ozengine at yahoo.com.au Mon May 7 02:12:38 2012 From: ozengine at yahoo.com.au (Graham Harris) Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 02:12:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Kerry the legend Message-ID: <1336381958.35901.YahooMailClassic@web160501.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Ask the mirror maybe. Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 10:35:50 -0400 (EDT) From: "Arnie Fero" Subject: Re: [SEL] Kerry the legend Pictures of the Kerry Wonder Tool? On Sun, May 6, 2012 4:55 am, Russell wrote: > I have had this troublesome resto project for a number of years; My Watts > Brothers Engine. The engine looks to have been through a fire at some From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon May 7 08:16:08 2012 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 11:16:08 -0400 Subject: [SEL] New Global Warming Info Message-ID: <004701cd2c64$54cf83d0$fe6e8b70$@com> And to think folks we thought our gasoline powered equipment is causing global warming. Looks like it was happening long before Nick Otto converted hunks of cast iron into power. http://now.msn.com/now/0506-farting-dinosaurs.aspx Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY USA From rob at rustyiron.com Mon May 7 08:50:00 2012 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 08:50:00 -0700 Subject: [SEL] New Global Warming Info In-Reply-To: <004701cd2c64$54cf83d0$fe6e8b70$@com> References: <004701cd2c64$54cf83d0$fe6e8b70$@com> Message-ID: On May 7, 2012, at 8:16 AM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > And to think folks we thought our gasoline powered equipment is causing > global warming. Looks like it was happening long before Nick Otto converted > hunks of cast iron into power. And then the dinosaurs all died and we were plunged into an ice age. From wackyvorlon at gmail.com Mon May 7 09:28:03 2012 From: wackyvorlon at gmail.com (Paul Anderson) Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 12:28:03 -0400 Subject: [SEL] New Global Warming Info In-Reply-To: References: <004701cd2c64$54cf83d0$fe6e8b70$@com> Message-ID: <448305D2-85A1-4865-949A-FA135F438F84@gmail.com> Shush! You're being inconvenient! Sent from my iPad On 2012-05-07, at 11:50 AM, Rob Skinner wrote: > > On May 7, 2012, at 8:16 AM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > >> And to think folks we thought our gasoline powered equipment is causing >> global warming. Looks like it was happening long before Nick Otto converted >> hunks of cast iron into power. > > And then the dinosaurs all died and we were plunged into an ice age. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From russell at ncable.com.au Mon May 7 14:47:40 2012 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell) Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 07:47:40 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Compression question In-Reply-To: <004701cd2c64$54cf83d0$fe6e8b70$@com> References: <004701cd2c64$54cf83d0$fe6e8b70$@com> Message-ID: <8742B6BE-D144-4517-AB18-76AB0BBB029A@ncable.com.au> Quite some time back I bought two very average looking Hornsby oil engines; a 2 and 3hp types. They came with enough bits to make one complete engine etc ................... Well I have hunted extra bits now and have enough to basically complete both. One will is going to a good mate whom is doing all the work (he has spare time) and the 2hp I will keep. Although not at the point yet of putting the piston back in and seeing how much compression it actually has, (my 2hp) I noticed there was a very small amount of pitting at the top of the bore. Now it's not much and only time will tell if it's even going to be a problem. How ever if it is a problem; I was thinking instead of boring or sleeving. Could I just cut another ring groove further back along the piston; remove the top ring and put in the lower new groove?? This would avoid the pitted area mostly and the majority of rings would be running in a clean bore? Any issues with something like this? cheers all. Russell From r7734g at hotmail.com Mon May 7 15:42:17 2012 From: r7734g at hotmail.com (Ron Gerlach) Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 15:42:17 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Compression question In-Reply-To: <8742B6BE-D144-4517-AB18-76AB0BBB029A@ncable.com.au> References: <004701cd2c64$54cf83d0$fe6e8b70$@com>, <8742B6BE-D144-4517-AB18-76AB0BBB029A@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: Russel I can't answer your question but I am curious if anybody has ever tried filling pits with an epoxy like JB Weld. A little honing afterward should take all the epoxy out except what is nestled nicely in the pits. It should be able to take the heat. The rings cannot wear the epoxy past the level of the surrounding cast iron so it should not be worn away during use. It should improve the compression. I have a Stover with a similar problem and I was considering trying this. RonG Orange Ca > From: russell at ncable.com.au > Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 07:47:40 +1000 > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] Compression question > > Quite some time back I bought two very average looking Hornsby oil engines; a 2 and 3hp types. They came with enough bits to make one complete engine etc ................... Well I have hunted extra bits now and have enough to basically complete both. One will is going to a good mate whom is doing all the work (he has spare time) and the 2hp I will keep. Although not at the point yet of putting the piston back in and seeing how much compression it actually has, (my 2hp) I noticed there was a very small amount of pitting at the top of the bore. Now it's not much and only time will tell if it's even going to be a problem. How ever if it is a problem; I was thinking instead of boring or sleeving. Could I just cut another ring groove further back along the piston; remove the top ring and put in the lower new groove?? This would avoid the pitted area mostly and the majority of rings would be running in a clean bore? Any issues with something like this? > > cheers all. Russell > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Mon May 7 15:52:25 2012 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Tue, 08 May 2012 08:52:25 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Compression question In-Reply-To: <8742B6BE-D144-4517-AB18-76AB0BBB029A@ncable.com.au> References: <004701cd2c64$54cf83d0$fe6e8b70$@com> <8742B6BE-D144-4517-AB18-76AB0BBB029A@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <4FA85229.7050503@optusnet.com.au> G'Day Russ Without seeing it, with a small amount of pitting I would do nothing and see how it went as you said, if it had poor compression I would use JB Weld and fill the pits then hone out, I think the pits would have to be very big to be a problem by itself and the must usual problem will be worn oval cylinder. Kerry On 8/05/2012 7:47 AM, Russell wrote: > Quite some time back I bought two very average looking Hornsby oil engines; a 2 and 3hp types. They came with enough bits to make one complete engine etc ................... Well I have hunted extra bits now and have enough to basically complete both. One will is going to a good mate whom is doing all the work (he has spare time) and the 2hp I will keep. Although not at the point yet of putting the piston back in and seeing how much compression it actually has, (my 2hp) I noticed there was a very small amount of pitting at the top of the bore. Now it's not much and only time will tell if it's even going to be a problem. How ever if it is a problem; I was thinking instead of boring or sleeving. Could I just cut another ring groove further back along the piston; remove the top ring and put in the lower new groove?? This would avoid the pitted area mostly and the majority of rings would be running in a clean bore? Any issues with something like this? > > cheers all. Russell > > -- Kerry Morris Tangye Engine Registrar 0400421133 Web Page. www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/ From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Mon May 7 15:58:56 2012 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Tue, 08 May 2012 08:58:56 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Compression question In-Reply-To: References: <004701cd2c64$54cf83d0$fe6e8b70$@com>, <8742B6BE-D144-4517-AB18-76AB0BBB029A@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <4FA853B0.80009@optusnet.com.au> Ron it will work no problems if you make sure the pit is properly clean with no oil etc. If you have an old ring or piece off. use it to scrape excess JB from the cylinder to reduce the amount of honing. Kerry On 8/05/2012 8:42 AM, Ron Gerlach wrote: > Russel > > I can't answer your question but I am curious if anybody has ever tried filling pits with an epoxy like JB Weld. A little honing afterward should take all the epoxy out except what is nestled nicely in the pits. It should be able to take the heat. The rings cannot wear the epoxy past the level of the surrounding cast iron so it should not be worn away during use. It should improve the compression. > > I have a Stover with a similar problem and I was considering trying this. > > RonG > Orange Ca > -- Kerry Morris Tangye Engine Registrar 0400421133 Web Page. www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/ From rotigel at me.com Mon May 7 17:58:04 2012 From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 07 May 2012 20:58:04 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Compression question In-Reply-To: <8742B6BE-D144-4517-AB18-76AB0BBB029A@ncable.com.au> References: <004701cd2c64$54cf83d0$fe6e8b70$@com> <8742B6BE-D144-4517-AB18-76AB0BBB029A@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: Russ, If it AIN'T broke, DON'T fix it--what the hell do you think you are? The GOVERNMENT? Dave On May 7, 2012, at 5:47 PM, Russell wrote: > Quite some time back I bought two very average looking Hornsby oil engines; a 2 and 3hp types. They came with enough bits to make one complete engine etc ................... Well I have hunted extra bits now and have enough to basically complete both. One will is going to a good mate whom is doing all the work (he has spare time) and the 2hp I will keep. Although not at the point yet of putting the piston back in and seeing how much compression it actually has, (my 2hp) I noticed there was a very small amount of pitting at the top of the bore. Now it's not much and only time will tell if it's even going to be a problem. How ever if it is a problem; I was thinking instead of boring or sleeving. Could I just cut another ring groove further back along the piston; remove the top ring and put in the lower new groove?? This would avoid the pitted area mostly and the majority of rings would be running in a clean bore? Any issues with something like this? > > cheers all. Russell From rotigel at me.com Mon May 7 17:59:59 2012 From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 07 May 2012 20:59:59 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Compression question In-Reply-To: References: <004701cd2c64$54cf83d0$fe6e8b70$@com> <8742B6BE-D144-4517-AB18-76AB0BBB029A@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <4324312E-03DF-4D03-B636-F43F7EFAC330@me.com> IF you must, use Devcon! Dave On May 7, 2012, at 6:42 PM, Ron Gerlach wrote: > > Russel > > I can't answer your question but I am curious if anybody has ever tried filling pits with an epoxy like JB Weld. A little honing afterward should take all the epoxy out except what is nestled nicely in the pits. It should be able to take the heat. The rings cannot wear the epoxy past the level of the surrounding cast iron so it should not be worn away during use. It should improve the compression. > > I have a Stover with a similar problem and I was considering trying this. > > RonG > Orange Ca > >> From: russell at ncable.com.au >> Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 07:47:40 +1000 >> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >> Subject: [SEL] Compression question >> >> Quite some time back I bought two very average looking Hornsby oil engines; a 2 and 3hp types. They came with enough bits to make one complete engine etc ................... Well I have hunted extra bits now and have enough to basically complete both. One will is going to a good mate whom is doing all the work (he has spare time) and the 2hp I will keep. Although not at the point yet of putting the piston back in and seeing how much compression it actually has, (my 2hp) I noticed there was a very small amount of pitting at the top of the bore. Now it's not much and only time will tell if it's even going to be a problem. How ever if it is a problem; I was thinking instead of boring or sleeving. Could I just cut another ring groove further back along the piston; remove the top ring and put in the lower new groove?? This would avoid the pitted area mostly and the majority of rings would be running in a clean bore? Any issues with something like this? >> >> cheers all. Russell >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From frappi at wcoil.com Mon May 7 18:58:41 2012 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Mon, 07 May 2012 21:58:41 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Compression question In-Reply-To: <8742B6BE-D144-4517-AB18-76AB0BBB029A@ncable.com.au> References: <004701cd2c64$54cf83d0$fe6e8b70$@com> <8742B6BE-D144-4517-AB18-76AB0BBB029A@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <20120508015934.96FD69959@smtp.wcoil.com> Hi Russell, IF you were to cut a fourth groove I would rather empty one of the middle grooves or just fill them all with a ring. Three rings towards the center of the piston might tend to promote a teeter totter effect on the piston. Causing a similar effect to "skirt wear or scuff" at the top of the piston. And also be warned look closely builders tended to reduce thickness of piston walls once they got past where they intended rings to be to reduce weight. So there may not be enough depth for a fourth ring further back. You could also just put in two rings per groove, This helps in a cylinder with small pits. For example If they are 1/4 " grooves put in two 1/8" rings per. Mark At 05:47 PM 5/7/2012, you wrote: >How ever if it is a problem; I was thinking instead of boring or >sleeving. Could I just cut another ring groove further back along >the piston; remove the top ring and put in the lower new groove?? >This would avoid the pitted area mostly and the majority of rings >would be running in a clean bore? Any issues with something like this? Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home Hobby Collector and Dealer in John Deere and Hercules Engines. Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com From jdohagan at comcast.net Mon May 7 20:04:31 2012 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (James OHAGAN) Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 20:04:31 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Compression question In-Reply-To: <20120508015934.96FD69959@smtp.wcoil.com> References: <004701cd2c64$54cf83d0$fe6e8b70$@com> <8742B6BE-D144-4517-AB18-76AB0BBB029A@ncable.com.au> <20120508015934.96FD69959@smtp.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <000001cd2cc7$4a293120$de7b9360$@net> Russell, By removing the upper ring, you will lower the compression ratio, a step in the wrong direction. Jimmy -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mark Shulaw Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 6:59 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Compression question Hi Russell, IF you were to cut a fourth groove I would rather empty one of the middle grooves or just fill them all with a ring. Three rings towards the center of the piston might tend to promote a teeter totter effect on the piston. Causing a similar effect to "skirt wear or scuff" at the top of the piston. And also be warned look closely builders tended to reduce thickness of piston walls once they got past where they intended rings to be to reduce weight. So there may not be enough depth for a fourth ring further back. You could also just put in two rings per groove, This helps in a cylinder with small pits. For example If they are 1/4 " grooves put in two 1/8" rings per. Mark At 05:47 PM 5/7/2012, you wrote: >How ever if it is a problem; I was thinking instead of boring or >sleeving. Could I just cut another ring groove further back along >the piston; remove the top ring and put in the lower new groove?? >This would avoid the pitted area mostly and the majority of rings >would be running in a clean bore? Any issues with something like this? Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home Hobby Collector and Dealer in John Deere and Hercules Engines. Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jlb94 at juno.com Tue May 8 07:38:28 2012 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 14:38:28 GMT Subject: [SEL] Compression question Message-ID: <20120508.103828.24136.3@webmail07.vgs.untd.com> Hi Russell, You state that there is a "very small amount of pitting". I don't think I would worry about it. I've seen many engines run good as new with pitted cylinder walls. Besides, If you would decide to trt to fill the pits with any kind of Epoxy - The walls would have to be super, super, SUPER clean. And - still, it probably wouldn't stay intact. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ A man may smile and bid you hail. Yet bid you to the devil. (_0_) But when a dog wags his tail. You know he?s on the level. ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Russell To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Compression question Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 07:47:40 +1000 Quite some time back I bought two very average looking Hornsby oil engines; a 2 and 3hp types. They came with enough bits to make one complete engine etc ................... Well I have hunted extra bits now and have enough to basically complete both. One will is going to a good mate whom is doing all the work (he has spare time) and the 2hp I will keep. Although not at the point yet of putting the piston back in and seeing how much compression it actually has, (my 2hp) I noticed there was a very small amount of pitting at the top of the bore. Now it's not much and only time will tell if it's even going to be a problem. How ever if it is a problem; I was thinking instead of boring or sleeving. Could I just cut another ring groove further back along the piston; remove the top ring and put in the lower new groove?? This would avoid the pitted area mostly and the majority of rings would be running in a clean bore? Any issues with something like this? cheers all. Russell _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ____________________________________________________________ "The African Mango Diet" Shed Pounds and Gain Energy Using This Exotic New Superfruit. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4fa93025d7debf55e94st02vuc From russell at ncable.com.au Tue May 8 15:02:04 2012 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell) Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 08:02:04 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Compression question In-Reply-To: <20120508.103828.24136.3@webmail07.vgs.untd.com> References: <20120508.103828.24136.3@webmail07.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: thanks for all the replies guys. Dave I might one day run for president so a little political practice won't go astray. I will let you all know what happens. Yes it will most likely not even be a problems. Still machining bearing caps at the minute. Bearings maybe by the weekend. It's gonna be a nice engine thats for sure. Russ On 09/05/2012, at 12:38 AM, jlb94 at juno.com wrote: > Hi Russell, > You state that there is a "very small amount of pitting". > I don't think I would worry about it. I've seen many engines run good as new with pitted cylinder walls. Besides, If you would decide to trt to fill the pits with any kind of Epoxy - The walls would have to be super, super, SUPER clean. And - still, it probably wouldn't stay intact. > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz > ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > \/)"(\/ A man may smile and bid you hail. Yet bid you to the devil. > (_0_) But when a dog wags his tail. You know he?s on the level. > > > > > > > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: Russell > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] Compression question > Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 07:47:40 +1000 > > Quite some time back I bought two very average looking Hornsby oil engines; a 2 and 3hp types. They came with enough bits to make one complete engine etc ................... Well I have hunted extra bits now and have enough to basically complete both. One will is going to a good mate whom is doing all the work (he has spare time) and the 2hp I will keep. Although not at the point yet of putting the piston back in and seeing how much compression it actually has, (my 2hp) I noticed there was a very small amount of pitting at the top of the bore. Now it's not much and only time will tell if it's even going to be a problem. How ever if it is a problem; I was thinking instead of boring or sleeving. Could I just cut another ring groove further back along the piston; remove the top ring and put in the lower new groove?? This would avoid the pitted area mostly and the majority of rings would be running in a clean bore? Any issues with something like this? > > cheers all. Russell > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > ____________________________________________________________ > "The African Mango Diet" > Shed Pounds and Gain Energy Using This Exotic New Superfruit. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4fa93025d7debf55e94st02vuc > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From kkinney at herculesengines.com Tue May 8 15:18:43 2012 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (kkinney at herculesengines.com) Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 17:18:43 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Compression question In-Reply-To: References: <20120508.103828.24136.3@webmail07.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: Russell I had a very badly pitted 1.5 HP Economy engine. I thought what the heck, I can always bore it out later. Do I used JBWeld, used a ring to push it through the bore. I never thought it would last but that's been about 10 years ago it is is still running great! It's on a log saw that we use so it does get a pretty good workout. Keith On May 8, 2012, at 5:02 PM, Russell wrote: > thanks for all the replies guys. Dave I might one day run for president so a little political practice won't go astray. I will let you all know what happens. Yes it will most likely not even be a problems. Still machining bearing caps at the minute. Bearings maybe by the weekend. > It's gonna be a nice engine thats for sure. > Russ > > > On 09/05/2012, at 12:38 AM, jlb94 at juno.com wrote: > >> Hi Russell, >> You state that there is a "very small amount of pitting". >> I don't think I would worry about it. I've seen many engines run good as new with pitted cylinder walls. Besides, If you would decide to trt to fill the pits with any kind of Epoxy - The walls would have to be super, super, SUPER clean. And - still, it probably wouldn't stay intact. >> >> Joe "Pip" Betz said that. >> jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz >> ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz >> \/)"(\/ A man may smile and bid you hail. Yet bid you to the devil. >> (_0_) But when a dog wags his tail. You know he?s on the level. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ---------- Original Message ---------- >> From: Russell >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: [SEL] Compression question >> Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 07:47:40 +1000 >> >> Quite some time back I bought two very average looking Hornsby oil engines; a 2 and 3hp types. They came with enough bits to make one complete engine etc ................... Well I have hunted extra bits now and have enough to basically complete both. One will is going to a good mate whom is doing all the work (he has spare time) and the 2hp I will keep. Although not at the point yet of putting the piston back in and seeing how much compression it actually has, (my 2hp) I noticed there was a very small amount of pitting at the top of the bore. Now it's not much and only time will tell if it's even going to be a problem. How ever if it is a problem; I was thinking instead of boring or sleeving. Could I just cut another ring groove further back along the piston; remove the top ring and put in the lower new groove?? This would avoid the pitted area mostly and the majority of rings would be running in a clean bore? Any issues with something like this? >> >> cheers all. Russell >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> ____________________________________________________________ >> "The African Mango Diet" >> Shed Pounds and Gain Energy Using This Exotic New Superfruit. >> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4fa93025d7debf55e94st02vuc >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From curt at rustyiron.com Tue May 8 17:47:32 2012 From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com) Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 17:47:32 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Compression question In-Reply-To: <8742B6BE-D144-4517-AB18-76AB0BBB029A@ncable.com.au> References: <004701cd2c64$54cf83d0$fe6e8b70$@com> <8742B6BE-D144-4517-AB18-76AB0BBB029A@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <3aecc0d1a1f953a3793d781d4f1edc80.squirrel@elara.lunarservers.com> Russell, Your idea of moving the ring set down the length of the bore sounds like a good idea at the outset. However, if you have a look at the inside shape of the piston you'll find that the ID of the piston is small in the area under the rings. The area just aft of the bottom ring will step up for a much larger ID. This is done to conserve weight of the reciprocating mass. I'm doubtful you'll have enough metal to add an additional ring groove w/o cutting thru the ID of the piston in this thinner cross section. Obviously I've never worked on a Hornsby engine, but I've made quite a few piston patterns & core boxes for American made engines and just about all are made this way. Before you chuck your piston in the lathe, have a look at this and make lots of measurements to make sure you don't make a tragic mistake and cut your piston in half. Curt H Bessemer City, NC > Quite some time back I bought two very average looking Hornsby oil > engines; a 2 and 3hp types. They came with enough bits to make one > complete engine etc ................... Well I have hunted extra bits now > and have enough to basically complete both. One will is going to a good > mate whom is doing all the work (he has spare time) and the 2hp I will > keep. Although not at the point yet of putting the piston back in and > seeing how much compression it actually has, (my 2hp) I noticed there was > a very small amount of pitting at the top of the bore. Now it's not much > and only time will tell if it's even going to be a problem. How ever if it > is a problem; I was thinking instead of boring or sleeving. Could I just > cut another ring groove further back along the piston; remove the top ring > and put in the lower new groove?? This would avoid the pitted area mostly > and the majority of rings would be running in a clean bore? Any issues > with something like this? > > cheers all. Russell > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at me.com Tue May 8 17:58:20 2012 From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 08 May 2012 20:58:20 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Compression question In-Reply-To: References: <20120508.103828.24136.3@webmail07.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <5C3EF59C-BA97-473B-B1C7-6B2D1C4F94CE@me.com> Good doG Russ, the one with the "L" on it goes on the left! Dave On May 8, 2012, at 6:02 PM, Russell wrote: > Still machining bearing caps at the minute. > Russ > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed May 9 07:01:58 2012 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 08:01:58 -0600 Subject: [SEL] 9 hp Galloway setback In-Reply-To: <00b401ccdf85$fe287350$fa7959f0$@com> References: <00b401ccdf85$fe287350$fa7959f0$@com> Message-ID: Tommy...any idea on how to contact Ken Meeks? I thought he was a sponsor on Harry's but don't see him there now. Thanks, Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 1:33 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] 9 hp Galloway setback > Fooling with skirts has gotten guys in a lot of trouble through the years. > I think you'll be OK in this case though. 6 1/2" should be a fairly easy > to > find size. I'd bet Ken Meeks would have one. No telling what it may be > out > of but if its 6 1/2 x 8 or so, you could make a go of it. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Richard > Strobel > Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 2:26 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list; stationary-engine > Subject: [SEL] 9 hp Galloway setback > > Howdee all; > > Well after pressure washing out the gunk behind the piston, it now shows > ~1" x 2" chunk out of the piston skirt. So we are looking for > one...6-1/2" > dia. bore and piston is ~8-1/2" long. Piston is still stuck so we can't > get > exact measurements. > > If all else fails we will have to have one made so are there any > recommendations out there for having one made? > > Thanks much!! > RickinMt. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From frappi at wcoil.com Thu May 10 17:51:49 2012 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 20:51:49 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OFF TOPIC: 1991 Ford E-150 Fuel System Questions In-Reply-To: <5C3EF59C-BA97-473B-B1C7-6B2D1C4F94CE@me.com> References: <20120508.103828.24136.3@webmail07.vgs.untd.com> <5C3EF59C-BA97-473B-B1C7-6B2D1C4F94CE@me.com> Message-ID: <20120511005253.E55BA9ACA@smtp.wcoil.com> Please reply to my email address frappi at wcoil.com or call direct at 419-516-2996 Verizon Cell. I will call you back if you need. I need to talk with someone who is intimately familiar with the Fuel electrical system on Ford E-150 vans. In particular a 1991 "Cargo" I would call it. Maybe Ford called them club wagons or something. I think I am having electrical problems. Thought I had a bad fuel pump but it looks more like a system problem. Took the high pressure pump off thinking it was bad but when I hooked it direct it runs just fine. When I turn on the key the low pressure pumps in the tanks do not push out fuel. I think I may have a bad relay. But I can not find it. And no one near here has a Haynes manual available to buy for this vintage which could help me find it. Two days from now yes I can have one but I need it working now, LOL. Portland is almost here. Help! Mark Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home Hobby Collector and Dealer in John Deere and Hercules Engines. Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com From oilengine at embarqmail.com Tue May 15 10:46:44 2012 From: oilengine at embarqmail.com (Russell Farmer) Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 13:46:44 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland Swap Info Message-ID: <1337104004.2237.4.camel@ubuntu> Hello all, Anyone desirous of ordering Yellow Dog lamps in person, I will be taking orders at the Portland Indiana Swapmeet Friday evening and all day Saturday, Thanks. -- Russell Farmer No Trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of Electrons were terribly inconvenienced. From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Sun May 20 04:05:26 2012 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 21:05:26 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Campbelltown Steam Museum Rally Message-ID: Some pics from the May 2012 Campbelltown Steam Museum Rally at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/cammay12/index.htm It was a nice weekend with some rare engines making an appearance. It was the first weekend out for my early Austral and it ran OK (but not perfect). It tends to cool off much more than my other lamp Austral so it needs a little investigating :) Patrick Patrick M Livingstone 0418 692013 Earlwood NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From rob at rustyiron.com Sun May 20 06:49:54 2012 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 06:49:54 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Campbelltown Steam Museum Rally In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6B32A02C-1769-458E-8ABF-A5D6B1095757@rustyiron.com> On May 20, 2012, at 4:05 AM, Patrick Livingstone wrote: > Some pics from the May 2012 Campbelltown Steam Museum Rally at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/cammay12/index.htm > > It was a nice weekend with some rare engines making an appearance. It was > the first weekend out for my early Austral and it ran OK (but not perfect). > It tends to cool off much more than my other lamp Austral so it needs a > little investigating :) > Patrick That?s a whole lot of nice engines, Patrick! I was especially surprised to see that the Gibbs & Russell had made it to Oz. Who owns it now? I did an article on that engine years ago. http://www.rustyiron.com/Articles/bouma'sone-of-a-.html Your Austral runs cold? That?s the way our Austral was, and everybody and his dog told me that Australs don?t have that problem. No matter what everyone else says, I believe you. Thanks for the pictures. Rob From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun May 20 07:33:43 2012 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 10:33:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Gibbs & Russell Message-ID: <4ddd55a206a5d602b27ba1afed48b83f.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com> Rob, That's a really neat article on the Gibbs & Russell. And you can really see the "family resemblance" in the cross-head design to the later Gibbs & Starret. I was surprised that your otherwise excellent article didn't mention Fithian and Carruthers invention of the clutch pulley which made the half-breed concept possible. http://gasengine.farmcollector.com/Gas-Engines/HISTORICAL-SKETCH-HALF-BREED-ENGINES.aspx?page=2 www.google.com/patents/US682126.pdf www.google.com/patents/US682127.pdf See ya, Arnie PS - Patrick, really looking forward to the tale of how this engine made it to Oz. On Sun, May 20, 2012 9:49 am, Rob Skinner wrote: > That?s a whole lot of nice engines, Patrick! > > I was especially surprised to see that the Gibbs & Russell had made it to > Oz. Who owns it now? I did an article on that engine years ago. > http://www.rustyiron.com/Articles/bouma'sone-of-a-.html From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun May 20 08:28:27 2012 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 11:28:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] [Fwd: Little] Message-ID: <191caf9438cfac85d876a07a1e54d256.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com> Neat engine! ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- Subject: Little From: sedlakabasnik at centrum.cz Date: Sun, May 20, 2012 9:14 am -------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPuqoQAMa5k From rotigel at me.com Sun May 20 10:46:59 2012 From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 13:46:59 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Gibbs & Russell In-Reply-To: <4ddd55a206a5d602b27ba1afed48b83f.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com> References: <4ddd55a206a5d602b27ba1afed48b83f.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com> Message-ID: <1E74D844-A966-4BC6-A1B7-E213F302B7DD@me.com> AGREED, but it's almost a SIN exporting so important a part of the USA cultural heritage to a 3rd world country where you would be required to put hog fencing around it! Dave On May 20, 2012, at 10:33 AM, Arnie Fero wrote: > Rob, > > That's a really neat article on the Gibbs & Russell. And you can really > see the "family resemblance" in the cross-head design to the later Gibbs & > Starret. > > I was surprised that your otherwise excellent article didn't mention > Fithian and Carruthers invention of the clutch pulley which made the > half-breed concept possible. > http://gasengine.farmcollector.com/Gas-Engines/HISTORICAL-SKETCH-HALF-BREED-ENGINES.aspx?page=2 > www.google.com/patents/US682126.pdf > www.google.com/patents/US682127.pdf > > See ya, Arnie > > PS - Patrick, really looking forward to the tale of how this engine made > it to Oz. > > On Sun, May 20, 2012 9:49 am, Rob Skinner wrote: >> That?s a whole lot of nice engines, Patrick! >> >> I was especially surprised to see that the Gibbs & Russell had made it to >> Oz. Who owns it now? I did an article on that engine years ago. >> http://www.rustyiron.com/Articles/bouma'sone-of-a-.html > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From wmlyoung at yahoo.com Sun May 20 15:33:39 2012 From: wmlyoung at yahoo.com (William Young) Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 15:33:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] CULTURAL HERITAGE? In-Reply-To: <1E74D844-A966-4BC6-A1B7-E213F302B7DD@me.com> References: <4ddd55a206a5d602b27ba1afed48b83f.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com> <1E74D844-A966-4BC6-A1B7-E213F302B7DD@me.com> Message-ID: <1337553219.41058.YahooMailNeo@web110310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> ________________________________ ??TO: Dave Rotigel ?FROM: BILL YOUNG,? wmlyoung at yahoo.com ? ? AGREED, but it's almost a SIN exporting so important a part of the USA cultural heritage to a 3rd world country where you would be required to put hog fencing around it.? Dave ???? ?DAVE-SAN, I READ ALL OF YOUR ACERBIC CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE NET.? I AGREE WITH SOME OF WHAT YOU SAY, DISAGREE WITH SOME, BUT ENJOY ALL. ????HOWEVER, THE ACTUAL?THRUST OF YOUR ABOVE ELUDES ME.? DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE IT IS ALMOST A SIN FOR THOSE OF US IN OUR? FRATERNITY TO SELL ABROAD?USA MADE ?ENGINES?? ????OR IS YOUR MESSAGE, IN REALITY, A JAB AT THE GOVERNMENTS OF OUR AUSSIE AND KIWI COUSINS?? ????N.Z. HAS A GOVERNMENTAL DEPARTMENT DEVOTED TO THE ENFORCEMENT OF THIS THEORY. ENGINES?IMPORTED FROM VARIOUS OTHER COUNTRIES HAVE BECOME N.Z. CULTURAL HERITAGE ITEMS. FURTHER, THIS DEPARTMENT HAS DECLARED THAT ALL ITEMS OVER 50 YEARS OLD WILL COME UNDER SCRUTINY.?THUS, ?IN 2062, TODAY'S NEW TOYOTA PICK-UP WILL BE, PROTECTED, A CULTURAL HERITAGE ITEM ????I WOULD SUGGEST THAT THESE PEOPLE HAVE DONE A MAGNIFICENT JOB TO INSURE THE CONTINUANCE OF THEIR DEPARTMENT.?? ????WHERE DO I STAND ON THE ISSUE?? RECIPROCITY OF COURSE -- UNTIL MY GOVERNMENT WERE TO TELL ME THAT I CAN NOT SELL TO AN OFF-SHORE HIGHER BIDDER. ?( SORRY ABOUT THE ALL CAPS.? AM TYPING WITH ONE FINGER ON LEFT HAND. )? BILL From djludlow1 at bigpond.com Sun May 20 16:12:04 2012 From: djludlow1 at bigpond.com (Denis Ludlow) Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 09:12:04 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Gibbs & Russell In-Reply-To: <1E74D844-A966-4BC6-A1B7-E213F302B7DD@me.com> References: <4ddd55a206a5d602b27ba1afed48b83f.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com> <1E74D844-A966-4BC6-A1B7-E213F302B7DD@me.com> Message-ID: <4598886AD8FA4A9782B8FD33CA5E3597@DREAMS> HEY Dave I hope you know more about old engines than you do about world news. Australia is not a third world country. Our economy is envied by the rest of the world including USA cheers Denis -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Rotigel Sent: Monday, 21 May 2012 3:47 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Gibbs & Russell AGREED, but it's almost a SIN exporting so important a part of the USA cultural heritage to a 3rd world country where you would be required to put hog fencing around it! Dave On May 20, 2012, at 10:33 AM, Arnie Fero wrote: > Rob, > > That's a really neat article on the Gibbs & Russell. And you can really > see the "family resemblance" in the cross-head design to the later Gibbs & > Starret. > > I was surprised that your otherwise excellent article didn't mention > Fithian and Carruthers invention of the clutch pulley which made the > half-breed concept possible. > http://gasengine.farmcollector.com/Gas-Engines/HISTORICAL-SKETCH-HALF-BREED- ENGINES.aspx?page=2 > www.google.com/patents/US682126.pdf > www.google.com/patents/US682127.pdf > > See ya, Arnie > > PS - Patrick, really looking forward to the tale of how this engine made > it to Oz. > > On Sun, May 20, 2012 9:49 am, Rob Skinner wrote: >> That's a whole lot of nice engines, Patrick! >> >> I was especially surprised to see that the Gibbs & Russell had made it to >> Oz. Who owns it now? I did an article on that engine years ago. >> http://www.rustyiron.com/Articles/bouma'sone-of-a-.html > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rob at rustyiron.com Sun May 20 17:01:10 2012 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 17:01:10 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Gibbs & Russell In-Reply-To: <4ddd55a206a5d602b27ba1afed48b83f.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com> References: <4ddd55a206a5d602b27ba1afed48b83f.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com> Message-ID: On May 20, 2012, at 7:33 AM, Arnie Fero wrote: > > I was surprised that your otherwise excellent article didn't mention > Fithian and Carruthers invention of the clutch pulley which made the > half-breed concept possible. Thanks for the link, Arnie. My articles are usually written with the goal of appealing to the intended audience within the confines of the available space. I just start writing and keep going until the page is filled. Then it?s finished. Besides, one must always be wary when writing of overgrown two-cycle engines, lest one become branded as a Maytag enthusiast. Rob From rotigel at me.com Sun May 20 18:05:54 2012 From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 21:05:54 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Gibbs & Russell In-Reply-To: <4598886AD8FA4A9782B8FD33CA5E3597@DREAMS> References: <4ddd55a206a5d602b27ba1afed48b83f.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com> <1E74D844-A966-4BC6-A1B7-E213F302B7DD@me.com> <4598886AD8FA4A9782B8FD33CA5E3597@DREAMS> Message-ID: Just A BIT defensive arn't we Denis? Dave On May 20, 2012, at 7:12 PM, Denis Ludlow wrote: > HEY Dave I hope you know more about old engines than you do about world > news. Australia is not a third world country. Our economy is envied by the > rest of the world including USA cheers Denis > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Rotigel > Sent: Monday, 21 May 2012 3:47 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Gibbs & Russell > > AGREED, but it's almost a SIN exporting so important a part of the USA > cultural heritage to a 3rd world country where you would be required to put > hog fencing around it! > Dave > > On May 20, 2012, at 10:33 AM, Arnie Fero wrote: > >> Rob, >> >> That's a really neat article on the Gibbs & Russell. And you can really >> see the "family resemblance" in the cross-head design to the later Gibbs & >> Starret. >> >> I was surprised that your otherwise excellent article didn't mention >> Fithian and Carruthers invention of the clutch pulley which made the >> half-breed concept possible. >> > http://gasengine.farmcollector.com/Gas-Engines/HISTORICAL-SKETCH-HALF-BREED- > ENGINES.aspx?page=2 >> www.google.com/patents/US682126.pdf >> www.google.com/patents/US682127.pdf >> >> See ya, Arnie >> >> PS - Patrick, really looking forward to the tale of how this engine made >> it to Oz. >> >> On Sun, May 20, 2012 9:49 am, Rob Skinner wrote: >>> That's a whole lot of nice engines, Patrick! >>> >>> I was especially surprised to see that the Gibbs & Russell had made it to >>> Oz. Who owns it now? I did an article on that engine years ago. >>> http://www.rustyiron.com/Articles/bouma'sone-of-a-.html >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From djludlow1 at bigpond.com Sun May 20 18:18:58 2012 From: djludlow1 at bigpond.com (Denis Ludlow) Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 11:18:58 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Gibbs & Russell In-Reply-To: References: <4ddd55a206a5d602b27ba1afed48b83f.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com><1E74D844-A966-4BC6-A1B7-E213F302B7DD@me.com><4598886AD8FA4A9782B8FD33CA5E3597@DREAMS> Message-ID: <509EAF98365646CCB0F5706DB475E6D4@DREAMS> Yeh mate I suppose I am but I reckon you would be too. Hope I didn't offend you cheers Denis -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Rotigel Sent: Monday, 21 May 2012 11:06 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Gibbs & Russell Just A BIT defensive arn't we Denis? Dave On May 20, 2012, at 7:12 PM, Denis Ludlow wrote: > HEY Dave I hope you know more about old engines than you do about world > news. Australia is not a third world country. Our economy is envied by the > rest of the world including USA cheers Denis > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Rotigel > Sent: Monday, 21 May 2012 3:47 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Gibbs & Russell > > AGREED, but it's almost a SIN exporting so important a part of the USA > cultural heritage to a 3rd world country where you would be required to put > hog fencing around it! > Dave > > On May 20, 2012, at 10:33 AM, Arnie Fero wrote: > >> Rob, >> >> That's a really neat article on the Gibbs & Russell. And you can really >> see the "family resemblance" in the cross-head design to the later Gibbs & >> Starret. >> >> I was surprised that your otherwise excellent article didn't mention >> Fithian and Carruthers invention of the clutch pulley which made the >> half-breed concept possible. >> > http://gasengine.farmcollector.com/Gas-Engines/HISTORICAL-SKETCH-HALF-BREED- > ENGINES.aspx?page=2 >> www.google.com/patents/US682126.pdf >> www.google.com/patents/US682127.pdf >> >> See ya, Arnie >> >> PS - Patrick, really looking forward to the tale of how this engine made >> it to Oz. >> >> On Sun, May 20, 2012 9:49 am, Rob Skinner wrote: >>> That's a whole lot of nice engines, Patrick! >>> >>> I was especially surprised to see that the Gibbs & Russell had made it to >>> Oz. Who owns it now? I did an article on that engine years ago. >>> http://www.rustyiron.com/Articles/bouma'sone-of-a-.html >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at me.com Sun May 20 18:31:54 2012 From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 21:31:54 -0400 Subject: [SEL] CULTURAL HERITAGE? In-Reply-To: <1337553219.41058.YahooMailNeo@web110310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <4ddd55a206a5d602b27ba1afed48b83f.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com> <1E74D844-A966-4BC6-A1B7-E213F302B7DD@me.com> <1337553219.41058.YahooMailNeo@web110310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0BFAAF23-771C-4248-97AB-DEAA9D6BA28F@me.com> Hi Bill, On May 20, 2012, at 6:33 PM, William Young wrote: > _______________________________ > TO: Dave Rotigel > FROM: BILL YOUNG, wmlyoung at yahoo.com > > AGREED, but it's almost a SIN exporting so important a part of the USA cultural heritage to a 3rd world country where you would be required to put hog fencing around it. Dave > > DAVE-SAN, I READ ALL OF YOUR ACERBIC CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE NET. I AGREE WITH SOME OF WHAT YOU SAY, DISAGREE WITH SOME, BUT ENJOY ALL. Keep in mind Bill that when you agree with me you are correct 100% of the time! > HOWEVER, THE ACTUAL THRUST OF YOUR ABOVE ELUDES ME. DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE IT IS ALMOST A SIN FOR THOSE OF US IN OUR FRATERNITY TO SELL ABROAD USA MADE ENGINES? No. > OR IS YOUR MESSAGE, IN REALITY, A JAB AT THE GOVERNMENTS OF OUR AUSSIE AND KIWI COUSINS? Yes. (I'm sorry that I don't seem to have those "funny face" buttons on my keyboard, but I've always thought that if you had to explain to people that what you said was really a joke either it wasn't really funny, or they wouldn't get it anyway.) > > N.Z. HAS A GOVERNMENTAL DEPARTMENT DEVOTED TO THE ENFORCEMENT OF THIS THEORY. ENGINES IMPORTED FROM VARIOUS OTHER COUNTRIES HAVE BECOME N.Z. CULTURAL HERITAGE ITEMS. FURTHER, THIS DEPARTMENT HAS DECLARED THAT ALL ITEMS OVER 50 YEARS OLD WILL COME UNDER SCRUTINY. THUS, IN 2062, TODAY'S NEW TOYOTA PICK-UP WILL BE, PROTECTED, A CULTURAL HERITAGE ITEM I understand that there are similar regulations in OZ as well. What I have found, however, is that if you tell the ABSOLUTE TRUTH about what is in the "package" you can usually ship it. I am told, for example, that what we here in the USA sometimes call "shotgun shells" can be mailed to many (third world [Hi Denis]) countries if they are called "Tractor Starters"? > I WOULD SUGGEST THAT THESE PEOPLE HAVE DONE A MAGNIFICENT JOB TO INSURE THE CONTINUANCE OF THEIR DEPARTMENT. Is that not the primary goal of any government institution anywhere in the world? > > WHERE DO I STAND ON THE ISSUE? RECIPROCITY OF COURSE -- UNTIL MY GOVERNMENT WERE TO TELL ME THAT I CAN NOT SELL TO AN OFF-SHORE HIGHER BIDDER. ???????? > ( SORRY ABOUT THE ALL CAPS. AM TYPING WITH ONE FINGER ON LEFT HAND. ) BILL What's with the one finger/hand typing? I hope nothing too serious! Dave PS, Do keep in mind what the first thing is that you MUST do to be forgiven of your sins is. PPS, The correct answer to this question is YOU MUST SIN! From rotigel at me.com Sun May 20 18:44:00 2012 From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 21:44:00 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Gibbs & Russell In-Reply-To: <509EAF98365646CCB0F5706DB475E6D4@DREAMS> References: <4ddd55a206a5d602b27ba1afed48b83f.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com> <1E74D844-A966-4BC6-A1B7-E213F302B7DD@me.com> <4598886AD8FA4A9782B8FD33CA5E3597@DREAMS> <509EAF98365646CCB0F5706DB475E6D4@DREAMS> Message-ID: <7D1B0146-A24A-4873-85D3-2F9A4364F83A@me.com> "Offend" me? If you knew me better Denis you would know that that's damn near impossible! Being serious for a moment let me say that I have good friends from OZ and I have nothing but respect for them and for their country (except for those who want to put hog fences around engines being displayed.) Truth is that you would never think that any of my good mates from down under were from 3rd world countries. (Well maybe one or two!) Dave PS, Do you know Reg? On May 20, 2012, at 9:18 PM, Denis Ludlow wrote: > Yeh mate I suppose I am but I reckon you would be too. Hope I didn't offend > you cheers Denis > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Rotigel > Sent: Monday, 21 May 2012 11:06 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Gibbs & Russell > > Just A BIT defensive aren't we Denis? > Dave > > On May 20, 2012, at 7:12 PM, Denis Ludlow wrote: > >> HEY Dave I hope you know more about old engines than you do about world >> news. Australia is not a third world country. Our economy is envied by the >> rest of the world including USA cheers Denis >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Rotigel >> Sent: Monday, 21 May 2012 3:47 AM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Gibbs & Russell >> >> AGREED, but it's almost a SIN exporting so important a part of the USA >> cultural heritage to a 3rd world country where you would be required to > put >> hog fencing around it! >> Dave >> >> On May 20, 2012, at 10:33 AM, Arnie Fero wrote: >> >>> Rob, >>> >>> That's a really neat article on the Gibbs & Russell. And you can really >>> see the "family resemblance" in the cross-head design to the later Gibbs > & >>> Starret. >>> >>> I was surprised that your otherwise excellent article didn't mention >>> Fithian and Carruthers invention of the clutch pulley which made the >>> half-breed concept possible. >>> >> > http://gasengine.farmcollector.com/Gas-Engines/HISTORICAL-SKETCH-HALF-BREED- >> ENGINES.aspx?page=2 >>> www.google.com/patents/US682126.pdf >>> www.google.com/patents/US682127.pdf >>> >>> See ya, Arnie >>> >>> PS - Patrick, really looking forward to the tale of how this engine made >>> it to Oz. >>> >>> On Sun, May 20, 2012 9:49 am, Rob Skinner wrote: >>>> That's a whole lot of nice engines, Patrick! >>>> >>>> I was especially surprised to see that the Gibbs & Russell had made it > to >>>> Oz. Who owns it now? I did an article on that engine years ago. >>>> http://www.rustyiron.com/Articles/bouma'sone-of-a-.html >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Sun May 20 19:03:18 2012 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 12:03:18 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Campbelltown Steam Museum Rally In-Reply-To: <6B32A02C-1769-458E-8ABF-A5D6B1095757@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: Hi Rob, There is something wrong with my 5.5hp for it too cool off like it does. My later 3.5hp will cool off a little but once running will go for many hours. The best I was getting out of the early engine was a little over an hour. Once I unload it the spanners are coming out and I am going to have a look at the coil in the vapouriser and whatever else I can think of to get the engine a little more heat friendly. I have only given it runs of half an hour or so at home so I never picked up the problem :( Patrick On 20/5/12 11:49 PM, "Rob Skinner" wrote: > > On May 20, 2012, at 4:05 AM, Patrick Livingstone wrote: > >> Some pics from the May 2012 Campbelltown Steam Museum Rally at: >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/cammay12/index.htm >> >> It was a nice weekend with some rare engines making an appearance. It was >> the first weekend out for my early Austral and it ran OK (but not perfect). >> It tends to cool off much more than my other lamp Austral so it needs a >> little investigating :) >> Patrick > > > That?s a whole lot of nice engines, Patrick! > > I was especially surprised to see that the Gibbs & Russell had made it to Oz. > Who owns it now? I did an article on that engine years ago. > http://www.rustyiron.com/Articles/bouma'sone-of-a-.html > > Your Austral runs cold? That?s the way our Austral was, and everybody and his > dog told me that Australs don?t have that problem. No matter what everyone > else says, I believe you. > > Thanks for the pictures. > Rob > > > > > > Patrick M Livingstone 0418 692013 Earlwood NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From djludlow1 at bigpond.com Sun May 20 20:35:28 2012 From: djludlow1 at bigpond.com (Denis Ludlow) Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 13:35:28 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Gibbs & Russell In-Reply-To: <7D1B0146-A24A-4873-85D3-2F9A4364F83A@me.com> References: <4ddd55a206a5d602b27ba1afed48b83f.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com><1E74D844-A966-4BC6-A1B7-E213F302B7DD@me.com><4598886AD8FA4A9782B8FD33CA5E3597@DREAMS><509EAF98365646CCB0F5706DB475E6D4@DREAMS> <7D1B0146-A24A-4873-85D3-2F9A4364F83A@me.com> Message-ID: <4D759A5CDDF34758B2156652726E00AD@DREAMS> HI Dave No I don't know Reg yet. I think the fences are to keep the kids from sticking their fingers in a spinning flywheel. There is always a gate and I have never had trouble getting entry for a closer look. I am restoring an old Ronaldson and Tippet Drag Saw and when I show it I will be happy to have a fence around it One less thing to worry about Anyway its good talking to you Dave We like collecting the old Yank stuff down here also I would love an old Indian motorcycle but can only dream cheers Denis -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Rotigel Sent: Monday, 21 May 2012 11:44 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Gibbs & Russell "Offend" me? If you knew me better Denis you would know that that's damn near impossible! Being serious for a moment let me say that I have good friends from OZ and I have nothing but respect for them and for their country (except for those who want to put hog fences around engines being displayed.) Truth is that you would never think that any of my good mates from down under were from 3rd world countries. (Well maybe one or two!) Dave PS, Do you know Reg? On May 20, 2012, at 9:18 PM, Denis Ludlow wrote: > Yeh mate I suppose I am but I reckon you would be too. Hope I didn't offend > you cheers Denis > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Rotigel > Sent: Monday, 21 May 2012 11:06 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Gibbs & Russell > > Just A BIT defensive aren't we Denis? > Dave > > On May 20, 2012, at 7:12 PM, Denis Ludlow wrote: > >> HEY Dave I hope you know more about old engines than you do about world >> news. Australia is not a third world country. Our economy is envied by the >> rest of the world including USA cheers Denis >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Rotigel >> Sent: Monday, 21 May 2012 3:47 AM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Gibbs & Russell >> >> AGREED, but it's almost a SIN exporting so important a part of the USA >> cultural heritage to a 3rd world country where you would be required to > put >> hog fencing around it! >> Dave >> >> On May 20, 2012, at 10:33 AM, Arnie Fero wrote: >> >>> Rob, >>> >>> That's a really neat article on the Gibbs & Russell. And you can really >>> see the "family resemblance" in the cross-head design to the later Gibbs > & >>> Starret. >>> >>> I was surprised that your otherwise excellent article didn't mention >>> Fithian and Carruthers invention of the clutch pulley which made the >>> half-breed concept possible. >>> >> > http://gasengine.farmcollector.com/Gas-Engines/HISTORICAL-SKETCH-HALF-BREED- >> ENGINES.aspx?page=2 >>> www.google.com/patents/US682126.pdf >>> www.google.com/patents/US682127.pdf >>> >>> See ya, Arnie >>> >>> PS - Patrick, really looking forward to the tale of how this engine made >>> it to Oz. >>> >>> On Sun, May 20, 2012 9:49 am, Rob Skinner wrote: >>>> That's a whole lot of nice engines, Patrick! >>>> >>>> I was especially surprised to see that the Gibbs & Russell had made it > to >>>> Oz. Who owns it now? I did an article on that engine years ago. >>>> http://www.rustyiron.com/Articles/bouma'sone-of-a-.html >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon May 21 07:04:43 2012 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 08:04:43 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Annealing Aluminum Message-ID: Gang...what's he rubbing on the aluminum? > Annealing Aluminum - YouTube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxhdFsrzSmY Thanks, RickinMt. From bigtime64 at hotmail.com Mon May 21 08:25:53 2012 From: bigtime64 at hotmail.com (Ed Herreid) Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 15:25:53 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Annealing Aluminum In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Rick. To anneal the aluminum you need to heat it to a temp around 600 to 700 degrees F and let it cool. Aluminum does not change color as it heats like steel. So it is difficult to judge temp. If you heat it too much it melts. He is using the change of color of the soap to judge temperature. Ed Herreid in WI > From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; stationary-engine at oldengine.org > Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 08:04:43 -0600 > Subject: [SEL] Annealing Aluminum > > Gang...what's he rubbing on the aluminum? > > > > > > > Annealing Aluminum - YouTube > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxhdFsrzSmY > > > Thanks, > RickinMt. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon May 21 08:29:23 2012 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 11:29:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Campbelltown Steam Museum Rally In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5236cfe43462f6b0cf847c625adf9272.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com> G'day Patrick, Any chance these engines were really continuous lamp (despite what the adverts said)? 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Sun, May 20, 2012 10:03 pm, Patrick Livingstone wrote: > Hi Rob, > There is something wrong with my 5.5hp for it too cool off like it does. > My later 3.5hp will cool off a little but once running will go for many > hours. > The best I was getting out of the early engine was a little over an hour. > Once I unload it the spanners are coming out and I am going to have a look > at the coil in the vapouriser and whatever else I can think of to get the > engine a little more heat friendly. > I have only given it runs of half an hour or so at home so I never picked > up the problem :( > Patrick From rob at rustyiron.com Mon May 21 09:44:51 2012 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 09:44:51 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Campbelltown Steam Museum Rally In-Reply-To: <5236cfe43462f6b0cf847c625adf9272.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com> References: <5236cfe43462f6b0cf847c625adf9272.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com> Message-ID: <06852655-B1D3-419A-93A7-FA2DB5620B5F@rustyiron.com> On May 21, 2012, at 8:29 AM, Arnie Fero wrote: > G'day Patrick, > > Any chance these engines were really continuous lamp (despite > what the adverts said)? 8-) I think the problem is that Australs are hit and miss governed, and we run them with no load. Under no load, there are so many revolutions between firing, that the vaporizer does not maintain proper temperature. Ronaldson & Tippett must have realized there were issues, as they utilized an ?ignitor coil? to aid ignition. My experiments with different materials and configurations of the ignitor coil concluded that it doesn?t do a whole lot. I?ve seen other vaporizing oil engines exhibit the same behavior on cold, windy days. Australs just do it on warmer days, as well. Perhaps the Australs were designed to run under typical Australian conditions, but I?ve never had the opportunity to run an engine at 45 degrees Celsius. -- Rob Skinner www.rustyiron.com From rdhaskell at juno.com Mon May 21 11:12:22 2012 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 11:12:22 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Annealing Aluminum Message-ID: <20120521.111302.1667.505718@mailpop09.vgs.untd.com> Hi Rick. The old hot rod trick I remember was to lay down a layer of soot from a pure acetylene flame, then with a neutral flame heat it until the soot was gone. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell On Mon, 21 May 2012 08:04:43 -0600 "Richard Strobel" writes: > Gang...what's he rubbing on the aluminum? > > > > > > > Annealing Aluminum - YouTube > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxhdFsrzSmY > > > Thanks, > RickinMt. ____________________________________________________________ Woman is 51 But Looks 25! Mom reveals simple wrinkle secret that has angered doctors... http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4fba85ba50ebd154d213st06vuc From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Mon May 21 15:51:36 2012 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 08:51:36 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Campbelltown Steam Museum Rally In-Reply-To: <5236cfe43462f6b0cf847c625adf9272.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com> Message-ID: Even the lamp wasn't helping with this one. I must admit it was a pretty cool day and the engine was in the shade for a lot of the day. I thought all advertisements were honest and true? It is the foundation stone for democracy... Patrick On 22/5/12 1:29 AM, "Arnie Fero" wrote: > G'day Patrick, > > Any chance these engines were really continuous lamp (despite > what the adverts said)? 8-)) > > See ya, Arnie > > On Sun, May 20, 2012 10:03 pm, Patrick Livingstone wrote: >> Hi Rob, >> There is something wrong with my 5.5hp for it too cool off like it does. >> My later 3.5hp will cool off a little but once running will go for many >> hours. >> The best I was getting out of the early engine was a little over an hour. >> Once I unload it the spanners are coming out and I am going to have a look >> at the coil in the vapouriser and whatever else I can think of to get the >> engine a little more heat friendly. >> I have only given it runs of half an hour or so at home so I never picked >> up the problem :( >> Patrick > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Patrick M Livingstone 0418 692013 Earlwood NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Mon May 21 15:59:31 2012 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 08:59:31 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Campbelltown Steam Museum Rally In-Reply-To: <06852655-B1D3-419A-93A7-FA2DB5620B5F@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: It is most likely individual engine dependant rather then a specific problem to all engines. One of our club members has a Blackstone that will run slow, all day no matter what the air temp while other Blackstones are very touchy on temperature. My 3.5hp Austral will keep running through anything providing I have managed to get some temperature in it early. Funnily enough I have run the 3.5hp on a 48c day and it was fantastic. I slowed it down until the flywheels pretty much stopped before the engine fired. It is the only time I have ever managed to run it so slow. One of the great sights in Austral land was the R-T centenary rally where there were around 300 sideshaft Australs. It was a sunny day and everyone had slowed down their engines but mid-afternoon a cool breeze sprang up and almost all the lamp Australs stopped almost simultaneously. I will do some experimenting and hopefully get the 5.5hp running a lot longer without cooling off. Patrick On 22/5/12 2:44 AM, "Rob Skinner" wrote: > > On May 21, 2012, at 8:29 AM, Arnie Fero wrote: > >> G'day Patrick, >> >> Any chance these engines were really continuous lamp (despite >> what the adverts said)? 8-) > > > > I think the problem is that Australs are hit and miss governed, and we run > them with no load. Under no load, there are so many revolutions between > firing, that the vaporizer does not maintain proper temperature. Ronaldson & > Tippett must have realized there were issues, as they utilized an ?ignitor > coil? to aid ignition. My experiments with different materials and > configurations of the ignitor coil concluded that it doesn?t do a whole lot. > > I?ve seen other vaporizing oil engines exhibit the same behavior on cold, > windy days. Australs just do it on warmer days, as well. Perhaps the Australs > were designed to run under typical Australian conditions, but I?ve never had > the opportunity to run an engine at 45 degrees Celsius. > > -- > Rob Skinner > www.rustyiron.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Patrick M Livingstone 0418 692013 Earlwood NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From rotigel at me.com Mon May 21 19:20:36 2012 From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 22:20:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Gibbs & Russell In-Reply-To: <4D759A5CDDF34758B2156652726E00AD@DREAMS> References: <4ddd55a206a5d602b27ba1afed48b83f.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com> <1E74D844-A966-4BC6-A1B7-E213F302B7DD@me.com> <4598886AD8FA4A9782B8FD33CA5E3597@DREAMS> <509EAF98365646CCB0F5706DB475E6D4@DREAMS> <7D1B0146-A24A-4873-85D3-2F9A4364F83A@me.com> <4D759A5CDDF34758B2156652726E00AD@DREAMS> Message-ID: Hi Denis, In 2008 at Cotton Ginning Days (See: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7aFdcfBODA) we had 8 drag saws running all at the same time--and NO FENCES! You may note that there are a lot of kids around and ALL of them have respect for the moving parts. I think that's because we are not a 3rd world country, but perhaps is simply because the gene pool has already been cleaned out. Who Knows? Dave PS, Ask Russ about the best way to import an Indian! PPS, Next year we in the USA will start playing Cowboys and Muslims, so there should be a lot of Indians left over for export! PPPS, Be VERY careful of REG when you do meet him! PPPPS, Good luck with your Ronnie T--and when it's done we expect some pictures/video (from inside the hog fence!) On May 20, 2012, at 11:35 PM, Denis Ludlow wrote: > HI Dave No I don't know Reg yet. I think the fences are to keep the kids > from sticking their fingers in a spinning flywheel. There is always a gate > and I have never had trouble getting entry for a closer look. I am restoring > an old Ronaldson and Tippet Drag Saw and when I show it I will be happy to > have a fence around it One less thing to worry about Anyway its good talking > to you Dave We like collecting the old Yank stuff down here also I would > love an old Indian motorcycle but can only dream cheers Denis > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Rotigel > Sent: Monday, 21 May 2012 11:44 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Gibbs & Russell > > "Offend" me? If you knew me better Denis you would know that that's damn > near impossible! Being serious for a moment let me say that I have good > friends from OZ and I have nothing but respect for them and for their > country (except for those who want to put hog fences around engines being > displayed.) Truth is that you would never think that any of my good mates > from down under were from 3rd world countries. (Well maybe one or two!) > Dave > PS, Do you know Reg? > > On May 20, 2012, at 9:18 PM, Denis Ludlow wrote: > >> Yeh mate I suppose I am but I reckon you would be too. Hope I didn't > offend >> you cheers Denis >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Rotigel >> Sent: Monday, 21 May 2012 11:06 AM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Gibbs & Russell >> >> Just A BIT defensive aren't we Denis? >> Dave >> >> On May 20, 2012, at 7:12 PM, Denis Ludlow wrote: >> >>> HEY Dave I hope you know more about old engines than you do about world >>> news. Australia is not a third world country. Our economy is envied by > the >>> rest of the world including USA cheers Denis >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave > Rotigel >>> Sent: Monday, 21 May 2012 3:47 AM >>> To: The SEL email discussion list >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Gibbs & Russell >>> >>> AGREED, but it's almost a SIN exporting so important a part of the USA >>> cultural heritage to a 3rd world country where you would be required to >> put >>> hog fencing around it! >>> Dave >>> >>> On May 20, 2012, at 10:33 AM, Arnie Fero wrote: >>> >>>> Rob, >>>> >>>> That's a really neat article on the Gibbs & Russell. And you can really >>>> see the "family resemblance" in the cross-head design to the later Gibbs >> & >>>> Starret. >>>> >>>> I was surprised that your otherwise excellent article didn't mention >>>> Fithian and Carruthers invention of the clutch pulley which made the >>>> half-breed concept possible. >>>> >>> >> > http://gasengine.farmcollector.com/Gas-Engines/HISTORICAL-SKETCH-HALF-BREED- >>> ENGINES.aspx?page=2 >>>> www.google.com/patents/US682126.pdf >>>> www.google.com/patents/US682127.pdf >>>> >>>> See ya, Arnie >>>> >>>> PS - Patrick, really looking forward to the tale of how this engine made >>>> it to Oz. >>>> >>>> On Sun, May 20, 2012 9:49 am, Rob Skinner wrote: >>>>> That's a whole lot of nice engines, Patrick! >>>>> >>>>> I was especially surprised to see that the Gibbs & Russell had made it >> to >>>>> Oz. Who owns it now? I did an article on that engine years ago. >>>>> http://www.rustyiron.com/Articles/bouma'sone-of-a-.html >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at me.com Mon May 21 19:58:21 2012 From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 22:58:21 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Gibbs & Russell In-Reply-To: References: <4ddd55a206a5d602b27ba1afed48b83f.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com> <1E74D844-A966-4BC6-A1B7-E213F302B7DD@me.com> <4598886AD8FA4A9782B8FD33CA5E3597@DREAMS> <509EAF98365646CCB0F5706DB475E6D4@DREAMS> <7D1B0146-A24A-4873-85D3-2F9A4364F83A@me.com> <4D759A5CDDF34758B2156652726E00AD@DREAMS> Message-ID: Damn, It was ONLY 6--MY BAD! SEE: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zPVrirlB5s Dave On May 21, 2012, at 10:20 PM, Dave Rotigel wrote: > Hi Denis, > In 2008 at Cotton Ginning Days (See: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7aFdcfBODA) we had 8 drag saws running all at the same time--and NO FENCES! You may note that there are a lot of kids around and ALL of them have respect for the moving parts. I think that's because we are not a 3rd world country, but perhaps is simply because the gene pool has already been cleaned out. Who Knows? > Dave > PS, Ask Russ about the best way to import an Indian! > PPS, Next year we in the USA will start playing Cowboys and Muslims, so there should be a lot of Indians left over for export! > PPPS, Be VERY careful of REG when you do meet him! > PPPPS, Good luck with your Ronnie T--and when it's done we expect some pictures/video (from inside the hog fence!) > > > On May 20, 2012, at 11:35 PM, Denis Ludlow wrote: > >> HI Dave No I don't know Reg yet. I think the fences are to keep the kids >> from sticking their fingers in a spinning flywheel. There is always a gate >> and I have never had trouble getting entry for a closer look. I am restoring >> an old Ronaldson and Tippet Drag Saw and when I show it I will be happy to >> have a fence around it One less thing to worry about Anyway its good talking >> to you Dave We like collecting the old Yank stuff down here also I would >> love an old Indian motorcycle but can only dream cheers Denis >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Rotigel >> Sent: Monday, 21 May 2012 11:44 AM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Gibbs & Russell >> >> "Offend" me? If you knew me better Denis you would know that that's damn >> near impossible! Being serious for a moment let me say that I have good >> friends from OZ and I have nothing but respect for them and for their >> country (except for those who want to put hog fences around engines being >> displayed.) Truth is that you would never think that any of my good mates >> from down under were from 3rd world countries. (Well maybe one or two!) >> Dave >> PS, Do you know Reg? >> >> On May 20, 2012, at 9:18 PM, Denis Ludlow wrote: >> >>> Yeh mate I suppose I am but I reckon you would be too. Hope I didn't >> offend >>> you cheers Denis >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Rotigel >>> Sent: Monday, 21 May 2012 11:06 AM >>> To: The SEL email discussion list >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Gibbs & Russell >>> >>> Just A BIT defensive aren't we Denis? >>> Dave >>> >>> On May 20, 2012, at 7:12 PM, Denis Ludlow wrote: >>> >>>> HEY Dave I hope you know more about old engines than you do about world >>>> news. Australia is not a third world country. Our economy is envied by >> the >>>> rest of the world including USA cheers Denis >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave >> Rotigel >>>> Sent: Monday, 21 May 2012 3:47 AM >>>> To: The SEL email discussion list >>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Gibbs & Russell >>>> >>>> AGREED, but it's almost a SIN exporting so important a part of the USA >>>> cultural heritage to a 3rd world country where you would be required to >>> put >>>> hog fencing around it! >>>> Dave >>>> >>>> On May 20, 2012, at 10:33 AM, Arnie Fero wrote: >>>> >>>>> Rob, >>>>> >>>>> That's a really neat article on the Gibbs & Russell. And you can really >>>>> see the "family resemblance" in the cross-head design to the later Gibbs >>> & >>>>> Starret. >>>>> >>>>> I was surprised that your otherwise excellent article didn't mention >>>>> Fithian and Carruthers invention of the clutch pulley which made the >>>>> half-breed concept possible. >>>>> >>>> >>> >> http://gasengine.farmcollector.com/Gas-Engines/HISTORICAL-SKETCH-HALF-BREED- >>>> ENGINES.aspx?page=2 >>>>> www.google.com/patents/US682126.pdf >>>>> www.google.com/patents/US682127.pdf >>>>> >>>>> See ya, Arnie >>>>> >>>>> PS - Patrick, really looking forward to the tale of how this engine made >>>>> it to Oz. >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, May 20, 2012 9:49 am, Rob Skinner wrote: >>>>>> That's a whole lot of nice engines, Patrick! >>>>>> >>>>>> I was especially surprised to see that the Gibbs & Russell had made it >>> to >>>>>> Oz. Who owns it now? I did an article on that engine years ago. >>>>>> http://www.rustyiron.com/Articles/bouma'sone-of-a-.html >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> SEL mailing list >>>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ron at lakeport-1.com Mon May 21 21:43:38 2012 From: ron at lakeport-1.com (Ron Cook) Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 23:43:38 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Annealing Aluminum In-Reply-To: <20120521.111302.1667.505718@mailpop09.vgs.untd.com> References: <20120521.111302.1667.505718@mailpop09.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <4FBB197A.4090002@lakeport-1.com> That is the one I use. An old blacksmith friend showed me that years and years ago. I have never heard of the soap trick, but it would be the same thing, it appears. Ron Cook Salix, IA On 5/21/2012 1:12 PM, rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: > Hi Rick. > The old hot rod trick I remember was to lay down a layer of soot from a > pure acetylene flame, then with a neutral flame heat it until the soot > was gone. > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California USA > http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell > > On Mon, 21 May 2012 08:04:43 -0600 "Richard Strobel" > writes: >> Gang...what's he rubbing on the aluminum? >> >> >> >> >> >>> Annealing Aluminum - YouTube >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxhdFsrzSmY >> >> >> Thanks, >> RickinMt. From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Tue May 22 03:15:20 2012 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 03:15:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Gibbs & Russell In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1337681720.24422.YahooMailClassic@web111719.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I like this one. Work those kids. Let them feel the saw. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBi4PY5wkV0&feature=relmfu They will always remember it. Alan --- On Mon, 5/21/12, Dave Rotigel wrote: From: Dave Rotigel Subject: Re: [SEL] Gibbs & Russell To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Monday, May 21, 2012, 10:58 PM Damn, It was ONLY 6--MY BAD! SEE: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zPVrirlB5s ??? Dave On May 21, 2012, at 10:20 PM, Dave Rotigel wrote: > Hi Denis, > ??? In 2008 at Cotton Ginning Days (See: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7aFdcfBODA) we had 8 drag saws running all at the same time--and NO FENCES! You may note that there are a lot of kids around and ALL of them have respect for the moving parts. I think that's because we are not a 3rd world country, but perhaps is simply because the gene pool has already been cleaned out. Who Knows? > ??? Dave > PS, Ask Russ about the best way to import an Indian! > PPS, Next year we in the USA will start playing Cowboys and Muslims, so there should be a lot of Indians left over for export! > PPPS, Be VERY careful of REG when you do meet him! > PPPPS, Good luck with your Ronnie T--and when it's done we expect some pictures/video (from inside the hog fence!) > > > On May 20, 2012, at 11:35 PM, Denis Ludlow wrote: > >> HI Dave No I don't know Reg yet. I think the fences are to keep the kids >> from sticking their fingers in a spinning flywheel.? There is always a gate >> and I have never had trouble getting entry for a closer look. I am restoring >> an old Ronaldson and Tippet Drag Saw and when I show it I will be happy to >> have a fence around it One less thing to worry about Anyway its good talking >> to you Dave We like collecting the old Yank stuff down here also? I would >> love an old Indian motorcycle but can only dream cheers Denis >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Rotigel >> Sent: Monday, 21 May 2012 11:44 AM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Gibbs & Russell >> >> "Offend" me? If you knew me better Denis you would know that that's damn >> near impossible! Being serious for a moment let me say that I have good >> friends from OZ and I have nothing but respect for them and for their >> country (except for those who want to put hog fences around engines being >> displayed.) Truth is that you would never think that any of my good mates >> from down under were from 3rd world countries. (Well maybe one or two!) >> ??? Dave >> PS, Do you know Reg? >> >> On May 20, 2012, at 9:18 PM, Denis Ludlow wrote: >> >>> Yeh mate I suppose I am but I reckon you would be too. Hope I didn't >> offend >>> you cheers Denis >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Rotigel >>> Sent: Monday, 21 May 2012 11:06 AM >>> To: The SEL email discussion list >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Gibbs & Russell >>> >>> Just A BIT defensive aren't we Denis? >>> ??? Dave >>> >>> On May 20, 2012, at 7:12 PM, Denis Ludlow wrote: >>> >>>> HEY Dave I hope you know more about old engines than you do about world >>>> news. Australia is not a third world country. Our economy is envied by >> the >>>> rest of the world including USA cheers Denis >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave >> Rotigel >>>> Sent: Monday, 21 May 2012 3:47 AM >>>> To: The SEL email discussion list >>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Gibbs & Russell >>>> >>>> AGREED, but it's almost a SIN exporting so important a part of the USA >>>> cultural heritage to a 3rd world country where you would be required to >>> put >>>> hog fencing around it! >>>> ??? Dave >>>> >>>> On May 20, 2012, at 10:33 AM, Arnie Fero wrote: >>>> >>>>> Rob, >>>>> >>>>> That's a really neat article on the Gibbs & Russell.? And you can really >>>>> see the "family resemblance" in the cross-head design to the later Gibbs >>> & >>>>> Starret. >>>>> >>>>> I was surprised that your otherwise excellent article didn't mention >>>>> Fithian and Carruthers invention of the clutch pulley which made the >>>>> half-breed concept possible. >>>>> >>>> >>> >> http://gasengine.farmcollector.com/Gas-Engines/HISTORICAL-SKETCH-HALF-BREED- >>>> ENGINES.aspx?page=2 >>>>> www.google.com/patents/US682126.pdf >>>>> www.google.com/patents/US682127.pdf >>>>> >>>>> See ya,? Arnie >>>>> >>>>> PS - Patrick, really looking forward to the tale of how this engine made >>>>> it to Oz. >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, May 20, 2012 9:49 am, Rob Skinner wrote: >>>>>> That's a whole lot of nice engines, Patrick! >>>>>> >>>>>> I was especially surprised to see that the Gibbs & Russell had made it >>> to >>>>>> Oz. Who owns it now? I did an article on that engine years ago. >>>>>> http://www.rustyiron.com/Articles/bouma'sone-of-a-.html >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> SEL mailing list >>>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at me.com Tue May 22 06:28:33 2012 From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 09:28:33 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Gibbs & Russell In-Reply-To: <1337681720.24422.YahooMailClassic@web111719.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1337681720.24422.YahooMailClassic@web111719.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Another good way to tire kids out is to have them pump water. See: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=uONOqKcxNR4 and http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=9AKl6SDo-3g I tell the kids that IF they can pump fast enough to make the bucket overflow they win $100.00. A few of the kids (and LOTS of adult Democrats) actually try to win the money! Dave On May 22, 2012, at 6:15 AM, Alan wrote: > I like this one. > Work those kids. > Let them feel the saw. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBi4PY5wkV0&feature=relmfu > They will always remember it. > Alan > > --- On Mon, 5/21/12, Dave Rotigel wrote: > > > From: Dave Rotigel > Subject: Re: [SEL] Gibbs & Russell > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Date: Monday, May 21, 2012, 10:58 PM > > > Damn, It was ONLY 6--MY BAD! SEE: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zPVrirlB5s > Dave > > On May 21, 2012, at 10:20 PM, Dave Rotigel wrote: > >> Hi Denis, >> In 2008 at Cotton Ginning Days (See: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7aFdcfBODA) we had 8 drag saws running all at the same time--and NO FENCES! You may note that there are a lot of kids around and ALL of them have respect for the moving parts. I think that's because we are not a 3rd world country, but perhaps is simply because the gene pool has already been cleaned out. Who Knows? >> Dave >> PS, Ask Russ about the best way to import an Indian! >> PPS, Next year we in the USA will start playing Cowboys and Muslims, so there should be a lot of Indians left over for export! >> PPPS, Be VERY careful of REG when you do meet him! >> PPPPS, Good luck with your Ronnie T--and when it's done we expect some pictures/video (from inside the hog fence!) >> From rotigel at me.com Thu May 24 09:20:55 2012 From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 12:20:55 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Coolspring Setup Message-ID: <9462DDCE-549A-44EC-832A-7B144F60B415@me.com> Hi All, I talked with Jack last night about the SEL area at Coolspring again this year. He will be roping off the engine area the weekend of June 8th (the weekend before the show.) No one can get onto the grounds to set up until noon on June 12th (Tuesday.) I plan to set up the SEL area on the 12th at about 3:00. We be in the same place as we have been for 15 years, or so--at the end of row two way down near the trees. I will have a sign with the SEL logo and an arrow on it at the near end or row 2 as well as SEL logo signs on the ropes around our area. The Galloway and whatever Arnie will be bringing will be at the very end of the row near the trees. Please fill in our area from that point back toward the gate so that if we have space left over by Friday we can "donate" it back to Jake. If this is your first time at Coolspring, or setting up with us, you can ask Jake where to go--he may tell you even if you don't ask! Hope to see LOTS of LIST members there! Dave PS, Formal show dates are June 14-16. From mr at carolina.rr.com Thu May 24 16:56:52 2012 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 19:56:52 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Coolspring Setup In-Reply-To: <9462DDCE-549A-44EC-832A-7B144F60B415@me.com> References: <9462DDCE-549A-44EC-832A-7B144F60B415@me.com> Message-ID: Steve and I will see you there! -----Original Message----- From: Dave Rotigel Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 12:20 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Cc: Jim Ritenour Subject: [SEL] Coolspring Setup Hi All, I talked with Jack last night about the SEL area at Coolspring again this year. He will be roping off the engine area the weekend of June 8th (the weekend before the show.) No one can get onto the grounds to set up until noon on June 12th (Tuesday.) I plan to set up the SEL area on the 12th at about 3:00. We be in the same place as we have been for 15 years, or so--at the end of row two way down near the trees. I will have a sign with the SEL logo and an arrow on it at the near end or row 2 as well as SEL logo signs on the ropes around our area. The Galloway and whatever Arnie will be bringing will be at the very end of the row near the trees. Please fill in our area from that point back toward the gate so that if we have space left over by Friday we can "donate" it back to Jake. If this is your first time at Coolspring, or setting up with us, you can ask Jake where to go--he may tell you even if you don't ask! Hope to see LOTS of LIST members there! Dave PS, Formal show dates are June 14-16. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From dtallman at accnorwalk.com Thu May 24 18:19:27 2012 From: dtallman at accnorwalk.com (Doug Tallman) Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 21:19:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Help for a Tractor Collector Message-ID: <4FBEDE1F.6000205@accnorwalk.com> A collector in the Meadville PA area built a memorial tractor for his wife that died from cancer. "Somehow", this tractor ended up in the top ten of the sexy tractor contest on the local radio station. It seems there is some confusion between sexy tractors and sexy things with tractors. Number 5 would appreciate your vote! Vote early and vote often!! Doug T http://froggyfun.com/sexy_tractor_vote From russell at ncable.com.au Thu May 24 22:29:14 2012 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell) Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 15:29:14 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Help for a Tractor Collector In-Reply-To: <4FBEDE1F.6000205@accnorwalk.com> References: <4FBEDE1F.6000205@accnorwalk.com> Message-ID: Gee Doug you make it hard, Every time my curser was moving to number five it kept flicking up to number 3. Man nice lungs is all I can say. Five got my vote. Russell On 25/05/2012, at 11:19 AM, Doug Tallman wrote: > > A collector in the Meadville PA area built a memorial tractor for his > wife that died from cancer. "Somehow", this tractor ended up in the top > ten of the sexy tractor contest on the local radio station. It seems > there is some confusion between sexy tractors and sexy things with > tractors. Number 5 would appreciate your vote! Vote early and vote > often!! Doug T > > http://froggyfun.com/sexy_tractor_vote > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jlb94 at juno.com Fri May 25 08:07:34 2012 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 15:07:34 GMT Subject: [SEL] Coolspring Setup Message-ID: <20120525.110734.31730.4@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> Hi Dave, Thanks for the notice. I plan to be there on Thursday Evening. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ A man may smile and bid you hail. Yet bid you to the devil. (_0_) But when a dog wags his tail. You know he?s on the level. ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Dave Rotigel To: The SEL email discussion list Cc: Jim Ritenour Subject: [SEL] Coolspring Setup Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 12:20:55 -0400 Hi All, I talked with Jack last night about the SEL area at Coolspring again this year. He will be roping off the engine area the weekend of June 8th (the weekend before the show.) No one can get onto the grounds to set up until noon on June 12th (Tuesday.) I plan to set up the SEL area on the 12th at about 3:00. We be in the same place as we have been for 15 years, or so--at the end of row two way down near the trees. I will have a sign with the SEL logo and an arrow on it at the near end or row 2 as well as SEL logo signs on the ropes around our area. The Galloway and whatever Arnie will be bringing will be at the very end of the row near the trees. Please fill in our area from that point back toward the gate so that if we have space left over by Friday we can "donate" it back to Jake. If this is your first time at Coolspring, or setting up with us, you can ask Jake where to go--he may tell you even if you don't ask! Hope to see LOTS of LIST members there! Dave PS, Formal show dates are June 14-16. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From plowe at exemail.com.au Sun May 27 01:30:20 2012 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sun, 27 May 2012 18:30:20 +1000 Subject: [SEL] R&V engine for sale Message-ID: <24BA5B9289ED48C7817A257E0DE666B1@PeterPC> Hi all I have found an R&V engine in Maryland, USA that I have hopefully saved from the scrap yard. It is a 2hp BL engine, looks complete and I am waiting for better photos. It has the Baltimore John Deere tag. Anyone interested get back to me ASAP. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm Australia From curt at rustyiron.com Wed May 30 11:18:12 2012 From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com) Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 11:18:12 -0700 Subject: [SEL] New Way In-Reply-To: <1337553219.41058.YahooMailNeo@web110310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <4ddd55a206a5d602b27ba1afed48b83f.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com> <1E74D844-A966-4BC6-A1B7-E213F302B7DD@me.com> <1337553219.41058.YahooMailNeo@web110310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <501be83d599085edb23efe7f8188289b.squirrel@elara.lunarservers.com> Well guys, Sunday was the big 50. I was determined to NOT mow any grass, fix anything in the yard or house, and spend the day doing nothing but gas engine hobby stuff. At Baraboo a couple of years ago Missy found this pitiful little engine cart with terribly floppy wheels. A closer look revealed that pieces of babbitt bearings from a small engine had been stuffed to fill the gap between the axle and the wheel hubs! So the last month or so has been spent boring the wheel true, installing Oilite bushings, installing new axles, and fixing all the broken and bent parts on this cart. Sunday was spent assembling the cart, drilling holes, and mounting the New Way engine on the cart. Here is the result of the day's work. Really please with the look. The engine is a little stiff to turn even though I've put plenty of oil in the cylinder and lubed things as best I can. At this point I really need some New Way experts to spread some knowledge. -How are the mains lubed? -How is the big end of the conn rod lubed? -Does this have a wet sump? I see no access hole to check oil level. It has a Bosch maggy. It doesn't impulse like other mags. Can any one tell me how these work? Or point me to a link about them? Thanks, Curt Holland From lsain33 at charter.net Wed May 30 12:08:39 2012 From: lsain33 at charter.net (Larry Sain) Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 15:08:39 -0400 Subject: [SEL] New Way References: <4ddd55a206a5d602b27ba1afed48b83f.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com><1E74D844-A966-4BC6-A1B7-E213F302B7DD@me.com><1337553219.41058.YahooMailNeo@web110310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <501be83d599085edb23efe7f8188289b.squirrel@elara.lunarservers.com> Message-ID: <49478CA04C1F403DBCB3BFAD5002EFD2@desktop01> Beautiful little cart Curt. A good way to celebrate moving into the senior division 8-). Best regards and happy birthday. Larry in Cat Square ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 2:18 PM Subject: [SEL] New Way > > Well guys, Sunday was the big 50. I was determined to NOT mow any grass, > fix anything in the yard or house, and spend the day doing nothing but gas > engine hobby stuff. > At Baraboo a couple of years ago Missy found this pitiful little engine > cart with terribly floppy wheels. A closer look revealed that pieces of > babbitt bearings from a small engine had been stuffed to fill the gap > between the axle and the wheel hubs! So the last month or so has been > spent boring the wheel true, installing Oilite bushings, installing new > axles, and fixing all the broken and bent parts on this cart. > Sunday was spent assembling the cart, drilling holes, and mounting the New > Way engine on the cart. Here is the result of the day's work. > > > Really please with the look. > > The engine is a little stiff to turn even though I've put plenty of oil in > the cylinder and lubed things as best I can. > > At this point I really need some New Way experts to spread some knowledge. > > -How are the mains lubed? > -How is the big end of the conn rod lubed? > -Does this have a wet sump? I see no access hole to check oil level. > > It has a Bosch maggy. It doesn't impulse like other mags. Can any one tell > me how these work? Or point me to a link about them? > > Thanks, > Curt Holland > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed May 30 13:53:12 2012 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 14:53:12 -0600 Subject: [SEL] New Way In-Reply-To: <4ddd55a206a5d602b27ba1afed48b83f.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com><1E74D844-A966-4BC6-A1B7-E213F302B7DD@me.com><1337553219.41058.YahooMailNeo@web110310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <501be83d599085edb23efe7f8188289b.squirrel@elara.lunarservers.com> References: <4ddd55a206a5d602b27ba1afed48b83f.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com><1E74D844-A966-4BC6-A1B7-E213F302B7DD@me.com><1337553219.41058.YahooMailNeo@web110310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <501be83d599085edb23efe7f8188289b.squirrel@elara.lunarservers.com> Message-ID: Happy belated Curt; Here's my 4-1/2 hp New Way webshots album which may answer some of your questions. I believe it is wet sump and bearings are splash lubed. Not sure on the wrist pin. Engine blowby is piped to the fan shaft and supposedly lubed the fan. I've heard it didn't work very well tho. Good Luck..if I can help in any way, just holler. http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/album/471752277SOWnom ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 12:18 PM Subject: [SEL] New Way > > Well guys, Sunday was the big 50. I was determined to NOT mow any grass, > fix anything in the yard or house, and spend the day doing nothing but gas > engine hobby stuff. > At Baraboo a couple of years ago Missy found this pitiful little engine > cart with terribly floppy wheels. A closer look revealed that pieces of > babbitt bearings from a small engine had been stuffed to fill the gap > between the axle and the wheel hubs! So the last month or so has been > spent boring the wheel true, installing Oilite bushings, installing new > axles, and fixing all the broken and bent parts on this cart. > Sunday was spent assembling the cart, drilling holes, and mounting the New > Way engine on the cart. Here is the result of the day's work. > > > Really please with the look. > > The engine is a little stiff to turn even though I've put plenty of oil in > the cylinder and lubed things as best I can. > > At this point I really need some New Way experts to spread some knowledge. > > -How are the mains lubed? > -How is the big end of the conn rod lubed? > -Does this have a wet sump? I see no access hole to check oil level. > > It has a Bosch maggy. It doesn't impulse like other mags. Can any one tell > me how these work? Or point me to a link about them? > > Thanks, > Curt Holland > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From cgandree at mchsi.com Thu May 31 04:48:46 2012 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 06:48:46 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [SEL] New Way In-Reply-To: <501be83d599085edb23efe7f8188289b.squirrel@elara.lunarservers.com> Message-ID: <720973134.16355691338464926996.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11> Hey Curt, I remember very clearly when you guys got that relic........very good job on the restoration and fits perfectly under the New Way. Thanks for sharing! By the way are you and Missy coming to Baraboo this year???? Curt Andree ----- Original Message ----- From: curt at rustyiron.com To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 1:18:12 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: [SEL] New Way Well guys, Sunday was the big 50. I was determined to NOT mow any grass, fix anything in the yard or house, and spend the day doing nothing but gas engine hobby stuff. At Baraboo a couple of years ago Missy found this pitiful little engine cart with terribly floppy wheels. A closer look revealed that pieces of babbitt bearings from a small engine had been stuffed to fill the gap between the axle and the wheel hubs! So the last month or so has been spent boring the wheel true, installing Oilite bushings, installing new axles, and fixing all the broken and bent parts on this cart. Sunday was spent assembling the cart, drilling holes, and mounting the New Way engine on the cart. Here is the result of the day's work. Really please with the look. The engine is a little stiff to turn even though I've put plenty of oil in the cylinder and lubed things as best I can. At this point I really need some New Way experts to spread some knowledge. -How are the mains lubed? -How is the big end of the conn rod lubed? -Does this have a wet sump? I see no access hole to check oil level. It has a Bosch maggy. It doesn't impulse like other mags. Can any one tell me how these work? Or point me to a link about them? Thanks, Curt Holland _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu May 31 05:32:23 2012 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 08:32:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Has Anyone Heard from Jerry Evans Lately? Message-ID: <8d1cee824dd42ef54ece000761dd15a4.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com> The last I heard from him was a few weeks ago when he said he was signing off for a while as the local blacks had once again ripped down the local phone lines to sell the copper for scrap and his only email access would be an Internet Cafe a drive away. See ya, Arnie From frappi at wcoil.com Thu May 31 07:45:57 2012 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 10:45:57 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Has Anyone Heard from Jerry Evans Lately? In-Reply-To: <8d1cee824dd42ef54ece000761dd15a4.squirrel@webmail.realprod ata.com> References: <8d1cee824dd42ef54ece000761dd15a4.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com> Message-ID: <20120531144555.F2FC19BF1@smtp.wcoil.com> Matter of fact no, Been so busy lately that if half the list disappeared I might no realize it for a while. I shot an email his way, see if he replies. Think I got a major piece of the Vans problems ironed out last night not sure, have not had time to test drive it yet. Coolspring is breathing down my neck!! Mark At 08:32 AM 5/31/2012, you wrote: >The last I heard from him was a few weeks ago when he said he was signing >off for a while as the local blacks had once again ripped down the local >phone lines to sell the copper for scrap and his only email access would >be an Internet Cafe a drive away. > >See ya, Arnie > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home Hobby Collector and Dealer in John Deere and Hercules Engines. Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com From curt at rustyiron.com Thu May 31 18:08:40 2012 From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 18:08:40 -0700 Subject: [SEL] New Way In-Reply-To: <720973134.16355691338464926996.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11> References: <720973134.16355691338464926996.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11> Message-ID: <780723f3e9e22ce1c09f1c84ad02d7d7.squirrel@elara.lunarservers.com> Curt, Would like to, but not determined yet. SO much going on at work these days. Curt > Hey Curt, > I remember very clearly when you guys got that relic........very good job > on the restoration and fits perfectly under the New Way. > Thanks for sharing! > By the way are you and Missy coming to Baraboo this year???? > Curt Andree > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: curt at rustyiron.com > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 1:18:12 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central > Subject: [SEL] New Way > > > Well guys, Sunday was the big 50. I was determined to NOT mow any grass, > fix anything in the yard or house, and spend the day doing nothing but gas > engine hobby stuff. > At Baraboo a couple of years ago Missy found this pitiful little engine > cart with terribly floppy wheels. A closer look revealed that pieces of > babbitt bearings from a small engine had been stuffed to fill the gap > between the axle and the wheel hubs! So the last month or so has been > spent boring the wheel true, installing Oilite bushings, installing new > axles, and fixing all the broken and bent parts on this cart. > Sunday was spent assembling the cart, drilling holes, and mounting the New > Way engine on the cart. Here is the result of the day's work. > > > Really please with the look. > > The engine is a little stiff to turn even though I've put plenty of oil in > the cylinder and lubed things as best I can. > > At this point I really need some New Way experts to spread some knowledge. > > -How are the mains lubed? > -How is the big end of the conn rod lubed? > -Does this have a wet sump? I see no access hole to check oil level. > > It has a Bosch maggy. It doesn't impulse like other mags. Can any one tell > me how these work? Or point me to a link about them? > > Thanks, > Curt Holland > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From yostsw at atis.net Thu May 31 19:58:01 2012 From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 22:58:01 -0400 Subject: [SEL] [AT] George Willer In-Reply-To: <003301cd3f91$6bcda720$4368f560$@net> References: <636D18F048494F2D9FDB6AE23B927487@laptop3> <003301cd3f91$6bcda720$4368f560$@net> Message-ID: <4FC82FB9.5080806@atis.net> I braced up for this post with a beer, and stepped outside and tried to imagine the cool air following a small storm was from Portland, IN. I want so desperately to eulogize him in glowing, heart-rendering language. I wanted to lift him up in the fashion great speakers do, using all the standard catch phrases like "Great man", or "helpful friend", etc. And of course, with George, they would all be as true as they could have been for any man - at least as I knew him. Then I thought my post might delve into his history on the list. You know, maybe tell his story as it relates to ATIS, tractors, and the list members. But try as I might, I can't put him in that perfect Rockwell frame - he was so much bigger, and more important to me and the list that such a canned response would be a disservice. So I'm not even sure where I can start..... First I tried to find some of my old emails from , and to, George, just to see how long I've known him. I could not find the beginning, but I find him in my easily accessible archives that go back to 2001 , so it has been a while. He became a good, fast, friend early and for years we emailed regularly and often. In 2005 I started work where I am now, and free time became very, very limited and our emails became less frequent. Then, like many of us, as his health deteriorated, I fell into the trap of letting him reach out to me whenever he felt able and ready. I regret that decision because it then became an excuse to let him slip away from me. That was my fault and a huge mistake. So I'll end this small tribute to George, with this wheat stubble of of thoughts and accolades: 1 - Just this weekend I stripped out the throttle shaft butterfly screw holes on a carb and wished I was as careful as you. 2- Many of us disagreed with you (and you with us) - but almost without exception you were one of our favorite people. 3 - Your advice had a relevancy (and accuracy) rate that was in the stratosphere. That is such a valuable and rare commodity I am not sure what I will do without it. 4 - Even more valuable - you gave your advice without hubris and you never pouted if someone bristled at your words. Argue back maybe - but never pouted and in this day and time that is so refreshing. 5 - I owe you thanks. You were a huge help with my books and while I expressed my appreciation often, I am not sure I ever truly communicated how fundamentally thankful I was to both you and Marilyn. 6 - I went to Dinner in Fremont one night with you and Marilyn and had a wonderful time. I have forgotten many things over the years but don't forget that night. 7 - We argued vehemently about Senator John Edwards and as the trial in Greensboro this year shows, you were right all along. I have owed you an apology for years regarding this and I never gave it to you. You deserved that and I failed you. 8 - My mustache dreams of growing up one day to be like your mustache. There has been a huge hole at the Portland campground for the last few years. Now that hole occupies my heart. Goodbye dear friend, Spencer PS: In the spirit of his constant and abiding friendship to me personally, I am sending along flowers and also donations per the family's instructions. I am signing it as if it came from ATIS/SEL though, since I think the family should know that that the whole community mourns his passing. From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sat May 5 11:45:00 2012 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 11:45:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Transportation Needed Message-ID: <1336243500.59047.YahooMailClassic@web111720.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Greeteings Folks. I am considering buying a very nice old Letz feed grinder but it is in Biglerville, PA. Do any of you live close enough to collect it for me and start it toward Michigan or Portland? ? Thank you Alan in Michigan From russell at ncable.com.au Sun May 6 01:55:40 2012 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell) Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 18:55:40 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Kerry the legend In-Reply-To: <4F9877C3.6000301@gru.net> References: <4F9877C3.6000301@gru.net> Message-ID: <9BAD896A-E7D0-42E7-AB56-D4282C4C0BB9@ncable.com.au> I have had this troublesome resto project for a number of years; My Watts Brothers Engine. The engine looks to have been through a fire at some point in time (not major but it got hot enough) to make it so nearly every bloody part of cast iron has made an attachment to it's neighbouring part. Well I have spent plenty of time, gas and language all to no avail trying to get a bloody gib key out so I can remove a flywheel. Well today I used the Morris patent gib key puller and bugger me dead if that sucker just didn't pop straight out. Bastard could have come any time it liked out the past year or so but no, had to wait until I made the tool for the job. Learn't my lesson now though. Morris your a bloody legend! Russ From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Sun May 6 02:09:34 2012 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Sun, 06 May 2012 19:09:34 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Kerry the legend In-Reply-To: <9BAD896A-E7D0-42E7-AB56-D4282C4C0BB9@ncable.com.au> References: <4F9877C3.6000301@gru.net> <9BAD896A-E7D0-42E7-AB56-D4282C4C0BB9@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <4FA63FCE.2030205@optusnet.com.au> Mate you only just worked that out, if you had asked I could have told you about the legend years ago or ......did I Well done with your engine, will be down your way in about 3-4 weeks so hope to catch up if you are there. Kerry On 6/05/2012 6:55 PM, Russell wrote: > I have had this troublesome resto project for a number of years; My Watts Brothers Engine. The engine looks to have been through a fire at some point in time (not major but it got hot enough) to make it so nearly every bloody part of cast iron has made an attachment to it's neighbouring part. Well I have spent plenty of time, gas and language all to no avail trying to get a bloody gib key out so I can remove a flywheel. Well today I used the Morris patent gib key puller and bugger me dead if that sucker just didn't pop straight out. Bastard could have come any time it liked out the past year or so but no, had to wait until I made the tool for the job. Learn't my lesson now though. > > Morris your a bloody legend! > Russ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -- Kerry Morris Tangye Engine Registrar 0400421133 Web Page. www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/ From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun May 6 07:35:50 2012 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 10:35:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Kerry the legend In-Reply-To: <9BAD896A-E7D0-42E7-AB56-D4282C4C0BB9@ncable.com.au> References: <4F9877C3.6000301@gru.net> <9BAD896A-E7D0-42E7-AB56-D4282C4C0BB9@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <52246938415dacf2784d2521b7cf7957.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com> Pictures of the Kerry Wonder Tool? On Sun, May 6, 2012 4:55 am, Russell wrote: > I have had this troublesome resto project for a number of years; My Watts > Brothers Engine. The engine looks to have been through a fire at some > point in time (not major but it got hot enough) to make it so nearly every > bloody part of cast iron has made an attachment to it's neighbouring part. > Well I have spent plenty of time, gas and language all to no avail trying > to get a bloody gib key out so I can remove a flywheel. Well today I used > the Morris patent gib key puller and bugger me dead if that sucker just > didn't pop straight out. Bastard could have come any time it liked out the > past year or so but no, had to wait until I made the tool for the job. > Learn't my lesson now though. > > Morris your a bloody legend! > Russ From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sun May 6 13:27:07 2012 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 13:27:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Transportation Needed In-Reply-To: <1336258557.9848.YahooMailClassic@web111701.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1336336027.97648.YahooMailClassic@web111709.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Okay, Folks I have made the deal. John says he can get it to Portland but is there anyone that is willing to pick it up in Biglerville, PA ? I really would love if it could be delivered to the Portland show in August. If it means a road trip I would be happy to pay someone gas money to pick it up. Alan in Michigan --- On Sat, 5/5/12, Alan wrote: From: Alan Subject: RE: Transportation Needed To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org Date: Saturday, May 5, 2012, 6:55 PM Thank you, John. I will see if I can make the deal and get back to you. This is not an eBay thing ? Alan --- On Sat, 5/5/12, JOHN DEBRULAR wrote: From: JOHN DEBRULAR Subject: RE: Transportation Needed To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org Date: Saturday, May 5, 2012, 4:38 PM I live in Parkersburg, West Virginia and can take it to Portland. ? From: stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org [mailto:stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org] On Behalf Of Alan Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 2:45 PM To: The SEL email discussion list; Old Engine.Org List Subject: Transportation Needed ? Greetings Folks. I am considering buying a very nice old Letz feed grinder but it is in Biglerville, PA. Do any of you live close enough to collect it for me and start it toward Michigan or Portland? ? Thank you Alan in Michigan No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2425/4979 - Release Date: 05/05/12 From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Sun May 6 13:55:28 2012 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Mon, 07 May 2012 06:55:28 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Kerry the legend In-Reply-To: <52246938415dacf2784d2521b7cf7957.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com> References: <4F9877C3.6000301@gru.net> <9BAD896A-E7D0-42E7-AB56-D4282C4C0BB9@ncable.com.au> <52246938415dacf2784d2521b7cf7957.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com> Message-ID: <4FA6E540.9080206@optusnet.com.au> http://www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/Webpages/National%20Key.html Kerry > Pictures of the Kerry Wonder Tool? > > > -- Kerry Morris Tangye Engine Registrar 0400421133 Web Page. www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/ From rfinksr at verizon.net Sun May 6 17:47:13 2012 From: rfinksr at verizon.net (Richard Fink) Date: Sun, 06 May 2012 19:47:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Transportation Needed References: <1336336027.97648.YahooMailClassic@web111709.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <69FC3E719BFC4620AFC421DEB910A275@COMPAQ> Alan do you have a zip for Biglerville pa. Maybe able to help. R Fink rfinksr at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan" To: Cc: Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2012 3:27 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Transportation Needed Okay, Folks I have made the deal. John says he can get it to Portland but is there anyone that is willing to pick it up in Biglerville, PA ? I really would love if it could be delivered to the Portland show in August. If it means a road trip I would be happy to pay someone gas money to pick it up. Alan in Michigan --- On Sat, 5/5/12, Alan wrote: From: Alan Subject: RE: Transportation Needed To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org Date: Saturday, May 5, 2012, 6:55 PM Thank you, John. I will see if I can make the deal and get back to you. This is not an eBay thing Alan --- On Sat, 5/5/12, JOHN DEBRULAR wrote: From: JOHN DEBRULAR Subject: RE: Transportation Needed To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org Date: Saturday, May 5, 2012, 4:38 PM I live in Parkersburg, West Virginia and can take it to Portland. From: stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org [mailto:stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org] On Behalf Of Alan Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 2:45 PM To: The SEL email discussion list; Old Engine.Org List Subject: Transportation Needed Greetings Folks. I am considering buying a very nice old Letz feed grinder but it is in Biglerville, PA. Do any of you live close enough to collect it for me and start it toward Michigan or Portland? Thank you Alan in Michigan No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2425/4979 - Release Date: 05/05/12 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2171 / Virus Database: 2425/4981 - Release Date: 05/06/12 From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sun May 6 17:17:53 2012 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 17:17:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Transportation Needed In-Reply-To: <69FC3E719BFC4620AFC421DEB910A275@COMPAQ> Message-ID: <1336349873.49194.YahooMailClassic@web111706.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Yes, It is 17307 --- On Sun, 5/6/12, Richard Fink wrote: From: Richard Fink Subject: Re: [SEL] Transportation Needed To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Sunday, May 6, 2012, 8:47 PM Alan do you have a zip for Biglerville pa. Maybe able to help. R Fink rfinksr at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan" To: Cc: Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2012 3:27 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Transportation Needed Okay, Folks I have made the deal. John says he can get it to Portland but is there anyone that is willing to pick it up in Biglerville, PA ? I really would love if it could be delivered to the Portland show in August. If it means a road trip I would be happy to pay someone gas money to pick it up. Alan in Michigan --- On Sat, 5/5/12, Alan wrote: From: Alan Subject: RE: Transportation Needed To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org Date: Saturday, May 5, 2012, 6:55 PM Thank you, John. I will see if I can make the deal and get back to you. This is not an eBay thing Alan --- On Sat, 5/5/12, JOHN DEBRULAR wrote: From: JOHN DEBRULAR Subject: RE: Transportation Needed To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org Date: Saturday, May 5, 2012, 4:38 PM I live in Parkersburg, West Virginia and can take it to Portland. From: stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org [mailto:stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org] On Behalf Of Alan Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 2:45 PM To: The SEL email discussion list; Old Engine.Org List Subject: Transportation Needed Greetings Folks. I am considering buying a very nice old Letz feed grinder but it is in Biglerville, PA. Do any of you live close enough to collect it for me and start it toward Michigan or Portland? Thank you Alan in Michigan No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2425/4979 - Release Date: 05/05/12 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2171 / Virus Database: 2425/4981 - Release Date: 05/06/12 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From curt at rustyiron.com Sun May 6 18:34:51 2012 From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com) Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 18:34:51 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Kerry the legend In-Reply-To: <52246938415dacf2784d2521b7cf7957.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com> References: <4F9877C3.6000301@gru.net> <9BAD896A-E7D0-42E7-AB56-D4282C4C0BB9@ncable.com.au> <52246938415dacf2784d2521b7cf7957.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com> Message-ID: <3a00173019eb2c36b3809800bd37e6f8.squirrel@elara.lunarservers.com> Arnie, I thought this was a family list :-) Curt H > Pictures of the Kerry Wonder Tool? From ozengine at yahoo.com.au Mon May 7 02:12:38 2012 From: ozengine at yahoo.com.au (Graham Harris) Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 02:12:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Kerry the legend Message-ID: <1336381958.35901.YahooMailClassic@web160501.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Ask the mirror maybe. Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 10:35:50 -0400 (EDT) From: "Arnie Fero" Subject: Re: [SEL] Kerry the legend Pictures of the Kerry Wonder Tool? On Sun, May 6, 2012 4:55 am, Russell wrote: > I have had this troublesome resto project for a number of years; My Watts > Brothers Engine. The engine looks to have been through a fire at some From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon May 7 08:16:08 2012 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 11:16:08 -0400 Subject: [SEL] New Global Warming Info Message-ID: <004701cd2c64$54cf83d0$fe6e8b70$@com> And to think folks we thought our gasoline powered equipment is causing global warming. Looks like it was happening long before Nick Otto converted hunks of cast iron into power. http://now.msn.com/now/0506-farting-dinosaurs.aspx Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY USA From rob at rustyiron.com Mon May 7 08:50:00 2012 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 08:50:00 -0700 Subject: [SEL] New Global Warming Info In-Reply-To: <004701cd2c64$54cf83d0$fe6e8b70$@com> References: <004701cd2c64$54cf83d0$fe6e8b70$@com> Message-ID: On May 7, 2012, at 8:16 AM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > And to think folks we thought our gasoline powered equipment is causing > global warming. Looks like it was happening long before Nick Otto converted > hunks of cast iron into power. And then the dinosaurs all died and we were plunged into an ice age. From wackyvorlon at gmail.com Mon May 7 09:28:03 2012 From: wackyvorlon at gmail.com (Paul Anderson) Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 12:28:03 -0400 Subject: [SEL] New Global Warming Info In-Reply-To: References: <004701cd2c64$54cf83d0$fe6e8b70$@com> Message-ID: <448305D2-85A1-4865-949A-FA135F438F84@gmail.com> Shush! You're being inconvenient! Sent from my iPad On 2012-05-07, at 11:50 AM, Rob Skinner wrote: > > On May 7, 2012, at 8:16 AM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > >> And to think folks we thought our gasoline powered equipment is causing >> global warming. Looks like it was happening long before Nick Otto converted >> hunks of cast iron into power. > > And then the dinosaurs all died and we were plunged into an ice age. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From russell at ncable.com.au Mon May 7 14:47:40 2012 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell) Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 07:47:40 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Compression question In-Reply-To: <004701cd2c64$54cf83d0$fe6e8b70$@com> References: <004701cd2c64$54cf83d0$fe6e8b70$@com> Message-ID: <8742B6BE-D144-4517-AB18-76AB0BBB029A@ncable.com.au> Quite some time back I bought two very average looking Hornsby oil engines; a 2 and 3hp types. They came with enough bits to make one complete engine etc ................... Well I have hunted extra bits now and have enough to basically complete both. One will is going to a good mate whom is doing all the work (he has spare time) and the 2hp I will keep. Although not at the point yet of putting the piston back in and seeing how much compression it actually has, (my 2hp) I noticed there was a very small amount of pitting at the top of the bore. Now it's not much and only time will tell if it's even going to be a problem. How ever if it is a problem; I was thinking instead of boring or sleeving. Could I just cut another ring groove further back along the piston; remove the top ring and put in the lower new groove?? This would avoid the pitted area mostly and the majority of rings would be running in a clean bore? Any issues with something like this? cheers all. Russell From r7734g at hotmail.com Mon May 7 15:42:17 2012 From: r7734g at hotmail.com (Ron Gerlach) Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 15:42:17 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Compression question In-Reply-To: <8742B6BE-D144-4517-AB18-76AB0BBB029A@ncable.com.au> References: <004701cd2c64$54cf83d0$fe6e8b70$@com>, <8742B6BE-D144-4517-AB18-76AB0BBB029A@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: Russel I can't answer your question but I am curious if anybody has ever tried filling pits with an epoxy like JB Weld. A little honing afterward should take all the epoxy out except what is nestled nicely in the pits. It should be able to take the heat. The rings cannot wear the epoxy past the level of the surrounding cast iron so it should not be worn away during use. It should improve the compression. I have a Stover with a similar problem and I was considering trying this. RonG Orange Ca > From: russell at ncable.com.au > Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 07:47:40 +1000 > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] Compression question > > Quite some time back I bought two very average looking Hornsby oil engines; a 2 and 3hp types. They came with enough bits to make one complete engine etc ................... Well I have hunted extra bits now and have enough to basically complete both. One will is going to a good mate whom is doing all the work (he has spare time) and the 2hp I will keep. Although not at the point yet of putting the piston back in and seeing how much compression it actually has, (my 2hp) I noticed there was a very small amount of pitting at the top of the bore. Now it's not much and only time will tell if it's even going to be a problem. How ever if it is a problem; I was thinking instead of boring or sleeving. Could I just cut another ring groove further back along the piston; remove the top ring and put in the lower new groove?? This would avoid the pitted area mostly and the majority of rings would be running in a clean bore? Any issues with something like this? > > cheers all. Russell > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Mon May 7 15:52:25 2012 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Tue, 08 May 2012 08:52:25 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Compression question In-Reply-To: <8742B6BE-D144-4517-AB18-76AB0BBB029A@ncable.com.au> References: <004701cd2c64$54cf83d0$fe6e8b70$@com> <8742B6BE-D144-4517-AB18-76AB0BBB029A@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <4FA85229.7050503@optusnet.com.au> G'Day Russ Without seeing it, with a small amount of pitting I would do nothing and see how it went as you said, if it had poor compression I would use JB Weld and fill the pits then hone out, I think the pits would have to be very big to be a problem by itself and the must usual problem will be worn oval cylinder. Kerry On 8/05/2012 7:47 AM, Russell wrote: > Quite some time back I bought two very average looking Hornsby oil engines; a 2 and 3hp types. They came with enough bits to make one complete engine etc ................... Well I have hunted extra bits now and have enough to basically complete both. One will is going to a good mate whom is doing all the work (he has spare time) and the 2hp I will keep. Although not at the point yet of putting the piston back in and seeing how much compression it actually has, (my 2hp) I noticed there was a very small amount of pitting at the top of the bore. Now it's not much and only time will tell if it's even going to be a problem. How ever if it is a problem; I was thinking instead of boring or sleeving. Could I just cut another ring groove further back along the piston; remove the top ring and put in the lower new groove?? This would avoid the pitted area mostly and the majority of rings would be running in a clean bore? Any issues with something like this? > > cheers all. Russell > > -- Kerry Morris Tangye Engine Registrar 0400421133 Web Page. www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/ From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Mon May 7 15:58:56 2012 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Tue, 08 May 2012 08:58:56 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Compression question In-Reply-To: References: <004701cd2c64$54cf83d0$fe6e8b70$@com>, <8742B6BE-D144-4517-AB18-76AB0BBB029A@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <4FA853B0.80009@optusnet.com.au> Ron it will work no problems if you make sure the pit is properly clean with no oil etc. If you have an old ring or piece off. use it to scrape excess JB from the cylinder to reduce the amount of honing. Kerry On 8/05/2012 8:42 AM, Ron Gerlach wrote: > Russel > > I can't answer your question but I am curious if anybody has ever tried filling pits with an epoxy like JB Weld. A little honing afterward should take all the epoxy out except what is nestled nicely in the pits. It should be able to take the heat. The rings cannot wear the epoxy past the level of the surrounding cast iron so it should not be worn away during use. It should improve the compression. > > I have a Stover with a similar problem and I was considering trying this. > > RonG > Orange Ca > -- Kerry Morris Tangye Engine Registrar 0400421133 Web Page. www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/ From rotigel at me.com Mon May 7 17:58:04 2012 From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 07 May 2012 20:58:04 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Compression question In-Reply-To: <8742B6BE-D144-4517-AB18-76AB0BBB029A@ncable.com.au> References: <004701cd2c64$54cf83d0$fe6e8b70$@com> <8742B6BE-D144-4517-AB18-76AB0BBB029A@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: Russ, If it AIN'T broke, DON'T fix it--what the hell do you think you are? The GOVERNMENT? Dave On May 7, 2012, at 5:47 PM, Russell wrote: > Quite some time back I bought two very average looking Hornsby oil engines; a 2 and 3hp types. They came with enough bits to make one complete engine etc ................... Well I have hunted extra bits now and have enough to basically complete both. One will is going to a good mate whom is doing all the work (he has spare time) and the 2hp I will keep. Although not at the point yet of putting the piston back in and seeing how much compression it actually has, (my 2hp) I noticed there was a very small amount of pitting at the top of the bore. Now it's not much and only time will tell if it's even going to be a problem. How ever if it is a problem; I was thinking instead of boring or sleeving. Could I just cut another ring groove further back along the piston; remove the top ring and put in the lower new groove?? This would avoid the pitted area mostly and the majority of rings would be running in a clean bore? Any issues with something like this? > > cheers all. Russell From rotigel at me.com Mon May 7 17:59:59 2012 From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 07 May 2012 20:59:59 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Compression question In-Reply-To: References: <004701cd2c64$54cf83d0$fe6e8b70$@com> <8742B6BE-D144-4517-AB18-76AB0BBB029A@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <4324312E-03DF-4D03-B636-F43F7EFAC330@me.com> IF you must, use Devcon! Dave On May 7, 2012, at 6:42 PM, Ron Gerlach wrote: > > Russel > > I can't answer your question but I am curious if anybody has ever tried filling pits with an epoxy like JB Weld. A little honing afterward should take all the epoxy out except what is nestled nicely in the pits. It should be able to take the heat. The rings cannot wear the epoxy past the level of the surrounding cast iron so it should not be worn away during use. It should improve the compression. > > I have a Stover with a similar problem and I was considering trying this. > > RonG > Orange Ca > >> From: russell at ncable.com.au >> Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 07:47:40 +1000 >> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >> Subject: [SEL] Compression question >> >> Quite some time back I bought two very average looking Hornsby oil engines; a 2 and 3hp types. They came with enough bits to make one complete engine etc ................... Well I have hunted extra bits now and have enough to basically complete both. One will is going to a good mate whom is doing all the work (he has spare time) and the 2hp I will keep. Although not at the point yet of putting the piston back in and seeing how much compression it actually has, (my 2hp) I noticed there was a very small amount of pitting at the top of the bore. Now it's not much and only time will tell if it's even going to be a problem. How ever if it is a problem; I was thinking instead of boring or sleeving. Could I just cut another ring groove further back along the piston; remove the top ring and put in the lower new groove?? This would avoid the pitted area mostly and the majority of rings would be running in a clean bore? Any issues with something like this? >> >> cheers all. Russell >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From frappi at wcoil.com Mon May 7 18:58:41 2012 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Mon, 07 May 2012 21:58:41 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Compression question In-Reply-To: <8742B6BE-D144-4517-AB18-76AB0BBB029A@ncable.com.au> References: <004701cd2c64$54cf83d0$fe6e8b70$@com> <8742B6BE-D144-4517-AB18-76AB0BBB029A@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <20120508015934.96FD69959@smtp.wcoil.com> Hi Russell, IF you were to cut a fourth groove I would rather empty one of the middle grooves or just fill them all with a ring. Three rings towards the center of the piston might tend to promote a teeter totter effect on the piston. Causing a similar effect to "skirt wear or scuff" at the top of the piston. And also be warned look closely builders tended to reduce thickness of piston walls once they got past where they intended rings to be to reduce weight. So there may not be enough depth for a fourth ring further back. You could also just put in two rings per groove, This helps in a cylinder with small pits. For example If they are 1/4 " grooves put in two 1/8" rings per. Mark At 05:47 PM 5/7/2012, you wrote: >How ever if it is a problem; I was thinking instead of boring or >sleeving. Could I just cut another ring groove further back along >the piston; remove the top ring and put in the lower new groove?? >This would avoid the pitted area mostly and the majority of rings >would be running in a clean bore? Any issues with something like this? Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home Hobby Collector and Dealer in John Deere and Hercules Engines. Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com From jdohagan at comcast.net Mon May 7 20:04:31 2012 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (James OHAGAN) Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 20:04:31 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Compression question In-Reply-To: <20120508015934.96FD69959@smtp.wcoil.com> References: <004701cd2c64$54cf83d0$fe6e8b70$@com> <8742B6BE-D144-4517-AB18-76AB0BBB029A@ncable.com.au> <20120508015934.96FD69959@smtp.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <000001cd2cc7$4a293120$de7b9360$@net> Russell, By removing the upper ring, you will lower the compression ratio, a step in the wrong direction. Jimmy -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mark Shulaw Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 6:59 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Compression question Hi Russell, IF you were to cut a fourth groove I would rather empty one of the middle grooves or just fill them all with a ring. Three rings towards the center of the piston might tend to promote a teeter totter effect on the piston. Causing a similar effect to "skirt wear or scuff" at the top of the piston. And also be warned look closely builders tended to reduce thickness of piston walls once they got past where they intended rings to be to reduce weight. So there may not be enough depth for a fourth ring further back. You could also just put in two rings per groove, This helps in a cylinder with small pits. For example If they are 1/4 " grooves put in two 1/8" rings per. Mark At 05:47 PM 5/7/2012, you wrote: >How ever if it is a problem; I was thinking instead of boring or >sleeving. Could I just cut another ring groove further back along >the piston; remove the top ring and put in the lower new groove?? >This would avoid the pitted area mostly and the majority of rings >would be running in a clean bore? Any issues with something like this? Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home Hobby Collector and Dealer in John Deere and Hercules Engines. Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jlb94 at juno.com Tue May 8 07:38:28 2012 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 14:38:28 GMT Subject: [SEL] Compression question Message-ID: <20120508.103828.24136.3@webmail07.vgs.untd.com> Hi Russell, You state that there is a "very small amount of pitting". I don't think I would worry about it. I've seen many engines run good as new with pitted cylinder walls. Besides, If you would decide to trt to fill the pits with any kind of Epoxy - The walls would have to be super, super, SUPER clean. And - still, it probably wouldn't stay intact. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ A man may smile and bid you hail. Yet bid you to the devil. (_0_) But when a dog wags his tail. You know he?s on the level. ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Russell To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Compression question Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 07:47:40 +1000 Quite some time back I bought two very average looking Hornsby oil engines; a 2 and 3hp types. They came with enough bits to make one complete engine etc ................... Well I have hunted extra bits now and have enough to basically complete both. One will is going to a good mate whom is doing all the work (he has spare time) and the 2hp I will keep. Although not at the point yet of putting the piston back in and seeing how much compression it actually has, (my 2hp) I noticed there was a very small amount of pitting at the top of the bore. Now it's not much and only time will tell if it's even going to be a problem. How ever if it is a problem; I was thinking instead of boring or sleeving. Could I just cut another ring groove further back along the piston; remove the top ring and put in the lower new groove?? This would avoid the pitted area mostly and the majority of rings would be running in a clean bore? Any issues with something like this? cheers all. Russell _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ____________________________________________________________ "The African Mango Diet" Shed Pounds and Gain Energy Using This Exotic New Superfruit. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4fa93025d7debf55e94st02vuc From russell at ncable.com.au Tue May 8 15:02:04 2012 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell) Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 08:02:04 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Compression question In-Reply-To: <20120508.103828.24136.3@webmail07.vgs.untd.com> References: <20120508.103828.24136.3@webmail07.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: thanks for all the replies guys. Dave I might one day run for president so a little political practice won't go astray. I will let you all know what happens. Yes it will most likely not even be a problems. Still machining bearing caps at the minute. Bearings maybe by the weekend. It's gonna be a nice engine thats for sure. Russ On 09/05/2012, at 12:38 AM, jlb94 at juno.com wrote: > Hi Russell, > You state that there is a "very small amount of pitting". > I don't think I would worry about it. I've seen many engines run good as new with pitted cylinder walls. Besides, If you would decide to trt to fill the pits with any kind of Epoxy - The walls would have to be super, super, SUPER clean. And - still, it probably wouldn't stay intact. > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz > ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > \/)"(\/ A man may smile and bid you hail. Yet bid you to the devil. > (_0_) But when a dog wags his tail. You know he?s on the level. > > > > > > > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: Russell > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] Compression question > Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 07:47:40 +1000 > > Quite some time back I bought two very average looking Hornsby oil engines; a 2 and 3hp types. They came with enough bits to make one complete engine etc ................... Well I have hunted extra bits now and have enough to basically complete both. One will is going to a good mate whom is doing all the work (he has spare time) and the 2hp I will keep. Although not at the point yet of putting the piston back in and seeing how much compression it actually has, (my 2hp) I noticed there was a very small amount of pitting at the top of the bore. Now it's not much and only time will tell if it's even going to be a problem. How ever if it is a problem; I was thinking instead of boring or sleeving. Could I just cut another ring groove further back along the piston; remove the top ring and put in the lower new groove?? This would avoid the pitted area mostly and the majority of rings would be running in a clean bore? Any issues with something like this? > > cheers all. Russell > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > ____________________________________________________________ > "The African Mango Diet" > Shed Pounds and Gain Energy Using This Exotic New Superfruit. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4fa93025d7debf55e94st02vuc > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From kkinney at herculesengines.com Tue May 8 15:18:43 2012 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (kkinney at herculesengines.com) Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 17:18:43 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Compression question In-Reply-To: References: <20120508.103828.24136.3@webmail07.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: Russell I had a very badly pitted 1.5 HP Economy engine. I thought what the heck, I can always bore it out later. Do I used JBWeld, used a ring to push it through the bore. I never thought it would last but that's been about 10 years ago it is is still running great! It's on a log saw that we use so it does get a pretty good workout. Keith On May 8, 2012, at 5:02 PM, Russell wrote: > thanks for all the replies guys. Dave I might one day run for president so a little political practice won't go astray. I will let you all know what happens. Yes it will most likely not even be a problems. Still machining bearing caps at the minute. Bearings maybe by the weekend. > It's gonna be a nice engine thats for sure. > Russ > > > On 09/05/2012, at 12:38 AM, jlb94 at juno.com wrote: > >> Hi Russell, >> You state that there is a "very small amount of pitting". >> I don't think I would worry about it. I've seen many engines run good as new with pitted cylinder walls. Besides, If you would decide to trt to fill the pits with any kind of Epoxy - The walls would have to be super, super, SUPER clean. And - still, it probably wouldn't stay intact. >> >> Joe "Pip" Betz said that. >> jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz >> ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz >> \/)"(\/ A man may smile and bid you hail. Yet bid you to the devil. >> (_0_) But when a dog wags his tail. You know he?s on the level. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ---------- Original Message ---------- >> From: Russell >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: [SEL] Compression question >> Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 07:47:40 +1000 >> >> Quite some time back I bought two very average looking Hornsby oil engines; a 2 and 3hp types. They came with enough bits to make one complete engine etc ................... Well I have hunted extra bits now and have enough to basically complete both. One will is going to a good mate whom is doing all the work (he has spare time) and the 2hp I will keep. Although not at the point yet of putting the piston back in and seeing how much compression it actually has, (my 2hp) I noticed there was a very small amount of pitting at the top of the bore. Now it's not much and only time will tell if it's even going to be a problem. How ever if it is a problem; I was thinking instead of boring or sleeving. Could I just cut another ring groove further back along the piston; remove the top ring and put in the lower new groove?? This would avoid the pitted area mostly and the majority of rings would be running in a clean bore? Any issues with something like this? >> >> cheers all. Russell >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> ____________________________________________________________ >> "The African Mango Diet" >> Shed Pounds and Gain Energy Using This Exotic New Superfruit. >> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4fa93025d7debf55e94st02vuc >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From curt at rustyiron.com Tue May 8 17:47:32 2012 From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com) Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 17:47:32 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Compression question In-Reply-To: <8742B6BE-D144-4517-AB18-76AB0BBB029A@ncable.com.au> References: <004701cd2c64$54cf83d0$fe6e8b70$@com> <8742B6BE-D144-4517-AB18-76AB0BBB029A@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <3aecc0d1a1f953a3793d781d4f1edc80.squirrel@elara.lunarservers.com> Russell, Your idea of moving the ring set down the length of the bore sounds like a good idea at the outset. However, if you have a look at the inside shape of the piston you'll find that the ID of the piston is small in the area under the rings. The area just aft of the bottom ring will step up for a much larger ID. This is done to conserve weight of the reciprocating mass. I'm doubtful you'll have enough metal to add an additional ring groove w/o cutting thru the ID of the piston in this thinner cross section. Obviously I've never worked on a Hornsby engine, but I've made quite a few piston patterns & core boxes for American made engines and just about all are made this way. Before you chuck your piston in the lathe, have a look at this and make lots of measurements to make sure you don't make a tragic mistake and cut your piston in half. Curt H Bessemer City, NC > Quite some time back I bought two very average looking Hornsby oil > engines; a 2 and 3hp types. They came with enough bits to make one > complete engine etc ................... Well I have hunted extra bits now > and have enough to basically complete both. One will is going to a good > mate whom is doing all the work (he has spare time) and the 2hp I will > keep. Although not at the point yet of putting the piston back in and > seeing how much compression it actually has, (my 2hp) I noticed there was > a very small amount of pitting at the top of the bore. Now it's not much > and only time will tell if it's even going to be a problem. How ever if it > is a problem; I was thinking instead of boring or sleeving. Could I just > cut another ring groove further back along the piston; remove the top ring > and put in the lower new groove?? This would avoid the pitted area mostly > and the majority of rings would be running in a clean bore? Any issues > with something like this? > > cheers all. Russell > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at me.com Tue May 8 17:58:20 2012 From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 08 May 2012 20:58:20 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Compression question In-Reply-To: References: <20120508.103828.24136.3@webmail07.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <5C3EF59C-BA97-473B-B1C7-6B2D1C4F94CE@me.com> Good doG Russ, the one with the "L" on it goes on the left! Dave On May 8, 2012, at 6:02 PM, Russell wrote: > Still machining bearing caps at the minute. > Russ > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed May 9 07:01:58 2012 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 08:01:58 -0600 Subject: [SEL] 9 hp Galloway setback In-Reply-To: <00b401ccdf85$fe287350$fa7959f0$@com> References: <00b401ccdf85$fe287350$fa7959f0$@com> Message-ID: Tommy...any idea on how to contact Ken Meeks? I thought he was a sponsor on Harry's but don't see him there now. Thanks, Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 1:33 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] 9 hp Galloway setback > Fooling with skirts has gotten guys in a lot of trouble through the years. > I think you'll be OK in this case though. 6 1/2" should be a fairly easy > to > find size. I'd bet Ken Meeks would have one. No telling what it may be > out > of but if its 6 1/2 x 8 or so, you could make a go of it. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Richard > Strobel > Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 2:26 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list; stationary-engine > Subject: [SEL] 9 hp Galloway setback > > Howdee all; > > Well after pressure washing out the gunk behind the piston, it now shows > ~1" x 2" chunk out of the piston skirt. So we are looking for > one...6-1/2" > dia. bore and piston is ~8-1/2" long. Piston is still stuck so we can't > get > exact measurements. > > If all else fails we will have to have one made so are there any > recommendations out there for having one made? > > Thanks much!! > RickinMt. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From frappi at wcoil.com Thu May 10 17:51:49 2012 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 20:51:49 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OFF TOPIC: 1991 Ford E-150 Fuel System Questions In-Reply-To: <5C3EF59C-BA97-473B-B1C7-6B2D1C4F94CE@me.com> References: <20120508.103828.24136.3@webmail07.vgs.untd.com> <5C3EF59C-BA97-473B-B1C7-6B2D1C4F94CE@me.com> Message-ID: <20120511005253.E55BA9ACA@smtp.wcoil.com> Please reply to my email address frappi at wcoil.com or call direct at 419-516-2996 Verizon Cell. I will call you back if you need. I need to talk with someone who is intimately familiar with the Fuel electrical system on Ford E-150 vans. In particular a 1991 "Cargo" I would call it. Maybe Ford called them club wagons or something. I think I am having electrical problems. Thought I had a bad fuel pump but it looks more like a system problem. Took the high pressure pump off thinking it was bad but when I hooked it direct it runs just fine. When I turn on the key the low pressure pumps in the tanks do not push out fuel. I think I may have a bad relay. But I can not find it. And no one near here has a Haynes manual available to buy for this vintage which could help me find it. Two days from now yes I can have one but I need it working now, LOL. Portland is almost here. Help! Mark Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home Hobby Collector and Dealer in John Deere and Hercules Engines. Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com From oilengine at embarqmail.com Tue May 15 10:46:44 2012 From: oilengine at embarqmail.com (Russell Farmer) Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 13:46:44 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland Swap Info Message-ID: <1337104004.2237.4.camel@ubuntu> Hello all, Anyone desirous of ordering Yellow Dog lamps in person, I will be taking orders at the Portland Indiana Swapmeet Friday evening and all day Saturday, Thanks. -- Russell Farmer No Trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of Electrons were terribly inconvenienced. From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Sun May 20 04:05:26 2012 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 21:05:26 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Campbelltown Steam Museum Rally Message-ID: Some pics from the May 2012 Campbelltown Steam Museum Rally at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/cammay12/index.htm It was a nice weekend with some rare engines making an appearance. It was the first weekend out for my early Austral and it ran OK (but not perfect). It tends to cool off much more than my other lamp Austral so it needs a little investigating :) Patrick Patrick M Livingstone 0418 692013 Earlwood NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From rob at rustyiron.com Sun May 20 06:49:54 2012 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 06:49:54 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Campbelltown Steam Museum Rally In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6B32A02C-1769-458E-8ABF-A5D6B1095757@rustyiron.com> On May 20, 2012, at 4:05 AM, Patrick Livingstone wrote: > Some pics from the May 2012 Campbelltown Steam Museum Rally at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/cammay12/index.htm > > It was a nice weekend with some rare engines making an appearance. It was > the first weekend out for my early Austral and it ran OK (but not perfect). > It tends to cool off much more than my other lamp Austral so it needs a > little investigating :) > Patrick That?s a whole lot of nice engines, Patrick! I was especially surprised to see that the Gibbs & Russell had made it to Oz. Who owns it now? I did an article on that engine years ago. http://www.rustyiron.com/Articles/bouma'sone-of-a-.html Your Austral runs cold? That?s the way our Austral was, and everybody and his dog told me that Australs don?t have that problem. No matter what everyone else says, I believe you. Thanks for the pictures. Rob From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun May 20 07:33:43 2012 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 10:33:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Gibbs & Russell Message-ID: <4ddd55a206a5d602b27ba1afed48b83f.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com> Rob, That's a really neat article on the Gibbs & Russell. And you can really see the "family resemblance" in the cross-head design to the later Gibbs & Starret. I was surprised that your otherwise excellent article didn't mention Fithian and Carruthers invention of the clutch pulley which made the half-breed concept possible. http://gasengine.farmcollector.com/Gas-Engines/HISTORICAL-SKETCH-HALF-BREED-ENGINES.aspx?page=2 www.google.com/patents/US682126.pdf www.google.com/patents/US682127.pdf See ya, Arnie PS - Patrick, really looking forward to the tale of how this engine made it to Oz. On Sun, May 20, 2012 9:49 am, Rob Skinner wrote: > That?s a whole lot of nice engines, Patrick! > > I was especially surprised to see that the Gibbs & Russell had made it to > Oz. Who owns it now? I did an article on that engine years ago. > http://www.rustyiron.com/Articles/bouma'sone-of-a-.html From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun May 20 08:28:27 2012 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 11:28:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] [Fwd: Little] Message-ID: <191caf9438cfac85d876a07a1e54d256.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com> Neat engine! ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- Subject: Little From: sedlakabasnik at centrum.cz Date: Sun, May 20, 2012 9:14 am -------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPuqoQAMa5k From rotigel at me.com Sun May 20 10:46:59 2012 From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 13:46:59 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Gibbs & Russell In-Reply-To: <4ddd55a206a5d602b27ba1afed48b83f.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com> References: <4ddd55a206a5d602b27ba1afed48b83f.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com> Message-ID: <1E74D844-A966-4BC6-A1B7-E213F302B7DD@me.com> AGREED, but it's almost a SIN exporting so important a part of the USA cultural heritage to a 3rd world country where you would be required to put hog fencing around it! Dave On May 20, 2012, at 10:33 AM, Arnie Fero wrote: > Rob, > > That's a really neat article on the Gibbs & Russell. And you can really > see the "family resemblance" in the cross-head design to the later Gibbs & > Starret. > > I was surprised that your otherwise excellent article didn't mention > Fithian and Carruthers invention of the clutch pulley which made the > half-breed concept possible. > http://gasengine.farmcollector.com/Gas-Engines/HISTORICAL-SKETCH-HALF-BREED-ENGINES.aspx?page=2 > www.google.com/patents/US682126.pdf > www.google.com/patents/US682127.pdf > > See ya, Arnie > > PS - Patrick, really looking forward to the tale of how this engine made > it to Oz. > > On Sun, May 20, 2012 9:49 am, Rob Skinner wrote: >> That?s a whole lot of nice engines, Patrick! >> >> I was especially surprised to see that the Gibbs & Russell had made it to >> Oz. Who owns it now? I did an article on that engine years ago. >> http://www.rustyiron.com/Articles/bouma'sone-of-a-.html > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From wmlyoung at yahoo.com Sun May 20 15:33:39 2012 From: wmlyoung at yahoo.com (William Young) Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 15:33:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] CULTURAL HERITAGE? In-Reply-To: <1E74D844-A966-4BC6-A1B7-E213F302B7DD@me.com> References: <4ddd55a206a5d602b27ba1afed48b83f.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com> <1E74D844-A966-4BC6-A1B7-E213F302B7DD@me.com> Message-ID: <1337553219.41058.YahooMailNeo@web110310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> ________________________________ ??TO: Dave Rotigel ?FROM: BILL YOUNG,? wmlyoung at yahoo.com ? ? AGREED, but it's almost a SIN exporting so important a part of the USA cultural heritage to a 3rd world country where you would be required to put hog fencing around it.? Dave ???? ?DAVE-SAN, I READ ALL OF YOUR ACERBIC CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE NET.? I AGREE WITH SOME OF WHAT YOU SAY, DISAGREE WITH SOME, BUT ENJOY ALL. ????HOWEVER, THE ACTUAL?THRUST OF YOUR ABOVE ELUDES ME.? DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE IT IS ALMOST A SIN FOR THOSE OF US IN OUR? FRATERNITY TO SELL ABROAD?USA MADE ?ENGINES?? ????OR IS YOUR MESSAGE, IN REALITY, A JAB AT THE GOVERNMENTS OF OUR AUSSIE AND KIWI COUSINS?? ????N.Z. HAS A GOVERNMENTAL DEPARTMENT DEVOTED TO THE ENFORCEMENT OF THIS THEORY. ENGINES?IMPORTED FROM VARIOUS OTHER COUNTRIES HAVE BECOME N.Z. CULTURAL HERITAGE ITEMS. FURTHER, THIS DEPARTMENT HAS DECLARED THAT ALL ITEMS OVER 50 YEARS OLD WILL COME UNDER SCRUTINY.?THUS, ?IN 2062, TODAY'S NEW TOYOTA PICK-UP WILL BE, PROTECTED, A CULTURAL HERITAGE ITEM ????I WOULD SUGGEST THAT THESE PEOPLE HAVE DONE A MAGNIFICENT JOB TO INSURE THE CONTINUANCE OF THEIR DEPARTMENT.?? ????WHERE DO I STAND ON THE ISSUE?? RECIPROCITY OF COURSE -- UNTIL MY GOVERNMENT WERE TO TELL ME THAT I CAN NOT SELL TO AN OFF-SHORE HIGHER BIDDER. ?( SORRY ABOUT THE ALL CAPS.? AM TYPING WITH ONE FINGER ON LEFT HAND. )? BILL From djludlow1 at bigpond.com Sun May 20 16:12:04 2012 From: djludlow1 at bigpond.com (Denis Ludlow) Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 09:12:04 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Gibbs & Russell In-Reply-To: <1E74D844-A966-4BC6-A1B7-E213F302B7DD@me.com> References: <4ddd55a206a5d602b27ba1afed48b83f.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com> <1E74D844-A966-4BC6-A1B7-E213F302B7DD@me.com> Message-ID: <4598886AD8FA4A9782B8FD33CA5E3597@DREAMS> HEY Dave I hope you know more about old engines than you do about world news. Australia is not a third world country. Our economy is envied by the rest of the world including USA cheers Denis -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Rotigel Sent: Monday, 21 May 2012 3:47 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Gibbs & Russell AGREED, but it's almost a SIN exporting so important a part of the USA cultural heritage to a 3rd world country where you would be required to put hog fencing around it! Dave On May 20, 2012, at 10:33 AM, Arnie Fero wrote: > Rob, > > That's a really neat article on the Gibbs & Russell. And you can really > see the "family resemblance" in the cross-head design to the later Gibbs & > Starret. > > I was surprised that your otherwise excellent article didn't mention > Fithian and Carruthers invention of the clutch pulley which made the > half-breed concept possible. > http://gasengine.farmcollector.com/Gas-Engines/HISTORICAL-SKETCH-HALF-BREED- ENGINES.aspx?page=2 > www.google.com/patents/US682126.pdf > www.google.com/patents/US682127.pdf > > See ya, Arnie > > PS - Patrick, really looking forward to the tale of how this engine made > it to Oz. > > On Sun, May 20, 2012 9:49 am, Rob Skinner wrote: >> That's a whole lot of nice engines, Patrick! >> >> I was especially surprised to see that the Gibbs & Russell had made it to >> Oz. Who owns it now? I did an article on that engine years ago. >> http://www.rustyiron.com/Articles/bouma'sone-of-a-.html > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rob at rustyiron.com Sun May 20 17:01:10 2012 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 17:01:10 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Gibbs & Russell In-Reply-To: <4ddd55a206a5d602b27ba1afed48b83f.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com> References: <4ddd55a206a5d602b27ba1afed48b83f.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com> Message-ID: On May 20, 2012, at 7:33 AM, Arnie Fero wrote: > > I was surprised that your otherwise excellent article didn't mention > Fithian and Carruthers invention of the clutch pulley which made the > half-breed concept possible. Thanks for the link, Arnie. My articles are usually written with the goal of appealing to the intended audience within the confines of the available space. I just start writing and keep going until the page is filled. Then it?s finished. Besides, one must always be wary when writing of overgrown two-cycle engines, lest one become branded as a Maytag enthusiast. Rob From rotigel at me.com Sun May 20 18:05:54 2012 From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 21:05:54 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Gibbs & Russell In-Reply-To: <4598886AD8FA4A9782B8FD33CA5E3597@DREAMS> References: <4ddd55a206a5d602b27ba1afed48b83f.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com> <1E74D844-A966-4BC6-A1B7-E213F302B7DD@me.com> <4598886AD8FA4A9782B8FD33CA5E3597@DREAMS> Message-ID: Just A BIT defensive arn't we Denis? Dave On May 20, 2012, at 7:12 PM, Denis Ludlow wrote: > HEY Dave I hope you know more about old engines than you do about world > news. Australia is not a third world country. Our economy is envied by the > rest of the world including USA cheers Denis > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Rotigel > Sent: Monday, 21 May 2012 3:47 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Gibbs & Russell > > AGREED, but it's almost a SIN exporting so important a part of the USA > cultural heritage to a 3rd world country where you would be required to put > hog fencing around it! > Dave > > On May 20, 2012, at 10:33 AM, Arnie Fero wrote: > >> Rob, >> >> That's a really neat article on the Gibbs & Russell. And you can really >> see the "family resemblance" in the cross-head design to the later Gibbs & >> Starret. >> >> I was surprised that your otherwise excellent article didn't mention >> Fithian and Carruthers invention of the clutch pulley which made the >> half-breed concept possible. >> > http://gasengine.farmcollector.com/Gas-Engines/HISTORICAL-SKETCH-HALF-BREED- > ENGINES.aspx?page=2 >> www.google.com/patents/US682126.pdf >> www.google.com/patents/US682127.pdf >> >> See ya, Arnie >> >> PS - Patrick, really looking forward to the tale of how this engine made >> it to Oz. >> >> On Sun, May 20, 2012 9:49 am, Rob Skinner wrote: >>> That's a whole lot of nice engines, Patrick! >>> >>> I was especially surprised to see that the Gibbs & Russell had made it to >>> Oz. Who owns it now? I did an article on that engine years ago. >>> http://www.rustyiron.com/Articles/bouma'sone-of-a-.html >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From djludlow1 at bigpond.com Sun May 20 18:18:58 2012 From: djludlow1 at bigpond.com (Denis Ludlow) Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 11:18:58 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Gibbs & Russell In-Reply-To: References: <4ddd55a206a5d602b27ba1afed48b83f.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com><1E74D844-A966-4BC6-A1B7-E213F302B7DD@me.com><4598886AD8FA4A9782B8FD33CA5E3597@DREAMS> Message-ID: <509EAF98365646CCB0F5706DB475E6D4@DREAMS> Yeh mate I suppose I am but I reckon you would be too. Hope I didn't offend you cheers Denis -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Rotigel Sent: Monday, 21 May 2012 11:06 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Gibbs & Russell Just A BIT defensive arn't we Denis? Dave On May 20, 2012, at 7:12 PM, Denis Ludlow wrote: > HEY Dave I hope you know more about old engines than you do about world > news. Australia is not a third world country. Our economy is envied by the > rest of the world including USA cheers Denis > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Rotigel > Sent: Monday, 21 May 2012 3:47 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Gibbs & Russell > > AGREED, but it's almost a SIN exporting so important a part of the USA > cultural heritage to a 3rd world country where you would be required to put > hog fencing around it! > Dave > > On May 20, 2012, at 10:33 AM, Arnie Fero wrote: > >> Rob, >> >> That's a really neat article on the Gibbs & Russell. And you can really >> see the "family resemblance" in the cross-head design to the later Gibbs & >> Starret. >> >> I was surprised that your otherwise excellent article didn't mention >> Fithian and Carruthers invention of the clutch pulley which made the >> half-breed concept possible. >> > http://gasengine.farmcollector.com/Gas-Engines/HISTORICAL-SKETCH-HALF-BREED- > ENGINES.aspx?page=2 >> www.google.com/patents/US682126.pdf >> www.google.com/patents/US682127.pdf >> >> See ya, Arnie >> >> PS - Patrick, really looking forward to the tale of how this engine made >> it to Oz. >> >> On Sun, May 20, 2012 9:49 am, Rob Skinner wrote: >>> That's a whole lot of nice engines, Patrick! >>> >>> I was especially surprised to see that the Gibbs & Russell had made it to >>> Oz. Who owns it now? I did an article on that engine years ago. >>> http://www.rustyiron.com/Articles/bouma'sone-of-a-.html >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at me.com Sun May 20 18:31:54 2012 From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 21:31:54 -0400 Subject: [SEL] CULTURAL HERITAGE? In-Reply-To: <1337553219.41058.YahooMailNeo@web110310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <4ddd55a206a5d602b27ba1afed48b83f.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com> <1E74D844-A966-4BC6-A1B7-E213F302B7DD@me.com> <1337553219.41058.YahooMailNeo@web110310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0BFAAF23-771C-4248-97AB-DEAA9D6BA28F@me.com> Hi Bill, On May 20, 2012, at 6:33 PM, William Young wrote: > _______________________________ > TO: Dave Rotigel > FROM: BILL YOUNG, wmlyoung at yahoo.com > > AGREED, but it's almost a SIN exporting so important a part of the USA cultural heritage to a 3rd world country where you would be required to put hog fencing around it. Dave > > DAVE-SAN, I READ ALL OF YOUR ACERBIC CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE NET. I AGREE WITH SOME OF WHAT YOU SAY, DISAGREE WITH SOME, BUT ENJOY ALL. Keep in mind Bill that when you agree with me you are correct 100% of the time! > HOWEVER, THE ACTUAL THRUST OF YOUR ABOVE ELUDES ME. DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE IT IS ALMOST A SIN FOR THOSE OF US IN OUR FRATERNITY TO SELL ABROAD USA MADE ENGINES? No. > OR IS YOUR MESSAGE, IN REALITY, A JAB AT THE GOVERNMENTS OF OUR AUSSIE AND KIWI COUSINS? Yes. (I'm sorry that I don't seem to have those "funny face" buttons on my keyboard, but I've always thought that if you had to explain to people that what you said was really a joke either it wasn't really funny, or they wouldn't get it anyway.) > > N.Z. HAS A GOVERNMENTAL DEPARTMENT DEVOTED TO THE ENFORCEMENT OF THIS THEORY. ENGINES IMPORTED FROM VARIOUS OTHER COUNTRIES HAVE BECOME N.Z. CULTURAL HERITAGE ITEMS. FURTHER, THIS DEPARTMENT HAS DECLARED THAT ALL ITEMS OVER 50 YEARS OLD WILL COME UNDER SCRUTINY. THUS, IN 2062, TODAY'S NEW TOYOTA PICK-UP WILL BE, PROTECTED, A CULTURAL HERITAGE ITEM I understand that there are similar regulations in OZ as well. What I have found, however, is that if you tell the ABSOLUTE TRUTH about what is in the "package" you can usually ship it. I am told, for example, that what we here in the USA sometimes call "shotgun shells" can be mailed to many (third world [Hi Denis]) countries if they are called "Tractor Starters"? > I WOULD SUGGEST THAT THESE PEOPLE HAVE DONE A MAGNIFICENT JOB TO INSURE THE CONTINUANCE OF THEIR DEPARTMENT. Is that not the primary goal of any government institution anywhere in the world? > > WHERE DO I STAND ON THE ISSUE? RECIPROCITY OF COURSE -- UNTIL MY GOVERNMENT WERE TO TELL ME THAT I CAN NOT SELL TO AN OFF-SHORE HIGHER BIDDER. ???????? > ( SORRY ABOUT THE ALL CAPS. AM TYPING WITH ONE FINGER ON LEFT HAND. ) BILL What's with the one finger/hand typing? I hope nothing too serious! Dave PS, Do keep in mind what the first thing is that you MUST do to be forgiven of your sins is. PPS, The correct answer to this question is YOU MUST SIN! From rotigel at me.com Sun May 20 18:44:00 2012 From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 21:44:00 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Gibbs & Russell In-Reply-To: <509EAF98365646CCB0F5706DB475E6D4@DREAMS> References: <4ddd55a206a5d602b27ba1afed48b83f.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com> <1E74D844-A966-4BC6-A1B7-E213F302B7DD@me.com> <4598886AD8FA4A9782B8FD33CA5E3597@DREAMS> <509EAF98365646CCB0F5706DB475E6D4@DREAMS> Message-ID: <7D1B0146-A24A-4873-85D3-2F9A4364F83A@me.com> "Offend" me? If you knew me better Denis you would know that that's damn near impossible! Being serious for a moment let me say that I have good friends from OZ and I have nothing but respect for them and for their country (except for those who want to put hog fences around engines being displayed.) Truth is that you would never think that any of my good mates from down under were from 3rd world countries. (Well maybe one or two!) Dave PS, Do you know Reg? On May 20, 2012, at 9:18 PM, Denis Ludlow wrote: > Yeh mate I suppose I am but I reckon you would be too. Hope I didn't offend > you cheers Denis > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Rotigel > Sent: Monday, 21 May 2012 11:06 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Gibbs & Russell > > Just A BIT defensive aren't we Denis? > Dave > > On May 20, 2012, at 7:12 PM, Denis Ludlow wrote: > >> HEY Dave I hope you know more about old engines than you do about world >> news. Australia is not a third world country. Our economy is envied by the >> rest of the world including USA cheers Denis >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Rotigel >> Sent: Monday, 21 May 2012 3:47 AM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Gibbs & Russell >> >> AGREED, but it's almost a SIN exporting so important a part of the USA >> cultural heritage to a 3rd world country where you would be required to > put >> hog fencing around it! >> Dave >> >> On May 20, 2012, at 10:33 AM, Arnie Fero wrote: >> >>> Rob, >>> >>> That's a really neat article on the Gibbs & Russell. And you can really >>> see the "family resemblance" in the cross-head design to the later Gibbs > & >>> Starret. >>> >>> I was surprised that your otherwise excellent article didn't mention >>> Fithian and Carruthers invention of the clutch pulley which made the >>> half-breed concept possible. >>> >> > http://gasengine.farmcollector.com/Gas-Engines/HISTORICAL-SKETCH-HALF-BREED- >> ENGINES.aspx?page=2 >>> www.google.com/patents/US682126.pdf >>> www.google.com/patents/US682127.pdf >>> >>> See ya, Arnie >>> >>> PS - Patrick, really looking forward to the tale of how this engine made >>> it to Oz. >>> >>> On Sun, May 20, 2012 9:49 am, Rob Skinner wrote: >>>> That's a whole lot of nice engines, Patrick! >>>> >>>> I was especially surprised to see that the Gibbs & Russell had made it > to >>>> Oz. Who owns it now? I did an article on that engine years ago. >>>> http://www.rustyiron.com/Articles/bouma'sone-of-a-.html >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Sun May 20 19:03:18 2012 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 12:03:18 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Campbelltown Steam Museum Rally In-Reply-To: <6B32A02C-1769-458E-8ABF-A5D6B1095757@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: Hi Rob, There is something wrong with my 5.5hp for it too cool off like it does. My later 3.5hp will cool off a little but once running will go for many hours. The best I was getting out of the early engine was a little over an hour. Once I unload it the spanners are coming out and I am going to have a look at the coil in the vapouriser and whatever else I can think of to get the engine a little more heat friendly. I have only given it runs of half an hour or so at home so I never picked up the problem :( Patrick On 20/5/12 11:49 PM, "Rob Skinner" wrote: > > On May 20, 2012, at 4:05 AM, Patrick Livingstone wrote: > >> Some pics from the May 2012 Campbelltown Steam Museum Rally at: >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/cammay12/index.htm >> >> It was a nice weekend with some rare engines making an appearance. It was >> the first weekend out for my early Austral and it ran OK (but not perfect). >> It tends to cool off much more than my other lamp Austral so it needs a >> little investigating :) >> Patrick > > > That?s a whole lot of nice engines, Patrick! > > I was especially surprised to see that the Gibbs & Russell had made it to Oz. > Who owns it now? I did an article on that engine years ago. > http://www.rustyiron.com/Articles/bouma'sone-of-a-.html > > Your Austral runs cold? That?s the way our Austral was, and everybody and his > dog told me that Australs don?t have that problem. No matter what everyone > else says, I believe you. > > Thanks for the pictures. > Rob > > > > > > Patrick M Livingstone 0418 692013 Earlwood NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From djludlow1 at bigpond.com Sun May 20 20:35:28 2012 From: djludlow1 at bigpond.com (Denis Ludlow) Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 13:35:28 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Gibbs & Russell In-Reply-To: <7D1B0146-A24A-4873-85D3-2F9A4364F83A@me.com> References: <4ddd55a206a5d602b27ba1afed48b83f.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com><1E74D844-A966-4BC6-A1B7-E213F302B7DD@me.com><4598886AD8FA4A9782B8FD33CA5E3597@DREAMS><509EAF98365646CCB0F5706DB475E6D4@DREAMS> <7D1B0146-A24A-4873-85D3-2F9A4364F83A@me.com> Message-ID: <4D759A5CDDF34758B2156652726E00AD@DREAMS> HI Dave No I don't know Reg yet. I think the fences are to keep the kids from sticking their fingers in a spinning flywheel. There is always a gate and I have never had trouble getting entry for a closer look. I am restoring an old Ronaldson and Tippet Drag Saw and when I show it I will be happy to have a fence around it One less thing to worry about Anyway its good talking to you Dave We like collecting the old Yank stuff down here also I would love an old Indian motorcycle but can only dream cheers Denis -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Rotigel Sent: Monday, 21 May 2012 11:44 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Gibbs & Russell "Offend" me? If you knew me better Denis you would know that that's damn near impossible! Being serious for a moment let me say that I have good friends from OZ and I have nothing but respect for them and for their country (except for those who want to put hog fences around engines being displayed.) Truth is that you would never think that any of my good mates from down under were from 3rd world countries. (Well maybe one or two!) Dave PS, Do you know Reg? On May 20, 2012, at 9:18 PM, Denis Ludlow wrote: > Yeh mate I suppose I am but I reckon you would be too. Hope I didn't offend > you cheers Denis > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Rotigel > Sent: Monday, 21 May 2012 11:06 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Gibbs & Russell > > Just A BIT defensive aren't we Denis? > Dave > > On May 20, 2012, at 7:12 PM, Denis Ludlow wrote: > >> HEY Dave I hope you know more about old engines than you do about world >> news. Australia is not a third world country. Our economy is envied by the >> rest of the world including USA cheers Denis >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Rotigel >> Sent: Monday, 21 May 2012 3:47 AM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Gibbs & Russell >> >> AGREED, but it's almost a SIN exporting so important a part of the USA >> cultural heritage to a 3rd world country where you would be required to > put >> hog fencing around it! >> Dave >> >> On May 20, 2012, at 10:33 AM, Arnie Fero wrote: >> >>> Rob, >>> >>> That's a really neat article on the Gibbs & Russell. And you can really >>> see the "family resemblance" in the cross-head design to the later Gibbs > & >>> Starret. >>> >>> I was surprised that your otherwise excellent article didn't mention >>> Fithian and Carruthers invention of the clutch pulley which made the >>> half-breed concept possible. >>> >> > http://gasengine.farmcollector.com/Gas-Engines/HISTORICAL-SKETCH-HALF-BREED- >> ENGINES.aspx?page=2 >>> www.google.com/patents/US682126.pdf >>> www.google.com/patents/US682127.pdf >>> >>> See ya, Arnie >>> >>> PS - Patrick, really looking forward to the tale of how this engine made >>> it to Oz. >>> >>> On Sun, May 20, 2012 9:49 am, Rob Skinner wrote: >>>> That's a whole lot of nice engines, Patrick! >>>> >>>> I was especially surprised to see that the Gibbs & Russell had made it > to >>>> Oz. Who owns it now? I did an article on that engine years ago. >>>> http://www.rustyiron.com/Articles/bouma'sone-of-a-.html >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon May 21 07:04:43 2012 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 08:04:43 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Annealing Aluminum Message-ID: Gang...what's he rubbing on the aluminum? > Annealing Aluminum - YouTube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxhdFsrzSmY Thanks, RickinMt. From bigtime64 at hotmail.com Mon May 21 08:25:53 2012 From: bigtime64 at hotmail.com (Ed Herreid) Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 15:25:53 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Annealing Aluminum In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Rick. To anneal the aluminum you need to heat it to a temp around 600 to 700 degrees F and let it cool. Aluminum does not change color as it heats like steel. So it is difficult to judge temp. If you heat it too much it melts. He is using the change of color of the soap to judge temperature. Ed Herreid in WI > From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; stationary-engine at oldengine.org > Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 08:04:43 -0600 > Subject: [SEL] Annealing Aluminum > > Gang...what's he rubbing on the aluminum? > > > > > > > Annealing Aluminum - YouTube > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxhdFsrzSmY > > > Thanks, > RickinMt. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon May 21 08:29:23 2012 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 11:29:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Campbelltown Steam Museum Rally In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5236cfe43462f6b0cf847c625adf9272.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com> G'day Patrick, Any chance these engines were really continuous lamp (despite what the adverts said)? 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Sun, May 20, 2012 10:03 pm, Patrick Livingstone wrote: > Hi Rob, > There is something wrong with my 5.5hp for it too cool off like it does. > My later 3.5hp will cool off a little but once running will go for many > hours. > The best I was getting out of the early engine was a little over an hour. > Once I unload it the spanners are coming out and I am going to have a look > at the coil in the vapouriser and whatever else I can think of to get the > engine a little more heat friendly. > I have only given it runs of half an hour or so at home so I never picked > up the problem :( > Patrick From rob at rustyiron.com Mon May 21 09:44:51 2012 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 09:44:51 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Campbelltown Steam Museum Rally In-Reply-To: <5236cfe43462f6b0cf847c625adf9272.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com> References: <5236cfe43462f6b0cf847c625adf9272.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com> Message-ID: <06852655-B1D3-419A-93A7-FA2DB5620B5F@rustyiron.com> On May 21, 2012, at 8:29 AM, Arnie Fero wrote: > G'day Patrick, > > Any chance these engines were really continuous lamp (despite > what the adverts said)? 8-) I think the problem is that Australs are hit and miss governed, and we run them with no load. Under no load, there are so many revolutions between firing, that the vaporizer does not maintain proper temperature. Ronaldson & Tippett must have realized there were issues, as they utilized an ?ignitor coil? to aid ignition. My experiments with different materials and configurations of the ignitor coil concluded that it doesn?t do a whole lot. I?ve seen other vaporizing oil engines exhibit the same behavior on cold, windy days. Australs just do it on warmer days, as well. Perhaps the Australs were designed to run under typical Australian conditions, but I?ve never had the opportunity to run an engine at 45 degrees Celsius. -- Rob Skinner www.rustyiron.com From rdhaskell at juno.com Mon May 21 11:12:22 2012 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 11:12:22 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Annealing Aluminum Message-ID: <20120521.111302.1667.505718@mailpop09.vgs.untd.com> Hi Rick. The old hot rod trick I remember was to lay down a layer of soot from a pure acetylene flame, then with a neutral flame heat it until the soot was gone. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell On Mon, 21 May 2012 08:04:43 -0600 "Richard Strobel" writes: > Gang...what's he rubbing on the aluminum? > > > > > > > Annealing Aluminum - YouTube > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxhdFsrzSmY > > > Thanks, > RickinMt. ____________________________________________________________ Woman is 51 But Looks 25! Mom reveals simple wrinkle secret that has angered doctors... http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4fba85ba50ebd154d213st06vuc From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Mon May 21 15:51:36 2012 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 08:51:36 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Campbelltown Steam Museum Rally In-Reply-To: <5236cfe43462f6b0cf847c625adf9272.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com> Message-ID: Even the lamp wasn't helping with this one. I must admit it was a pretty cool day and the engine was in the shade for a lot of the day. I thought all advertisements were honest and true? It is the foundation stone for democracy... Patrick On 22/5/12 1:29 AM, "Arnie Fero" wrote: > G'day Patrick, > > Any chance these engines were really continuous lamp (despite > what the adverts said)? 8-)) > > See ya, Arnie > > On Sun, May 20, 2012 10:03 pm, Patrick Livingstone wrote: >> Hi Rob, >> There is something wrong with my 5.5hp for it too cool off like it does. >> My later 3.5hp will cool off a little but once running will go for many >> hours. >> The best I was getting out of the early engine was a little over an hour. >> Once I unload it the spanners are coming out and I am going to have a look >> at the coil in the vapouriser and whatever else I can think of to get the >> engine a little more heat friendly. >> I have only given it runs of half an hour or so at home so I never picked >> up the problem :( >> Patrick > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Patrick M Livingstone 0418 692013 Earlwood NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Mon May 21 15:59:31 2012 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 08:59:31 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Campbelltown Steam Museum Rally In-Reply-To: <06852655-B1D3-419A-93A7-FA2DB5620B5F@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: It is most likely individual engine dependant rather then a specific problem to all engines. One of our club members has a Blackstone that will run slow, all day no matter what the air temp while other Blackstones are very touchy on temperature. My 3.5hp Austral will keep running through anything providing I have managed to get some temperature in it early. Funnily enough I have run the 3.5hp on a 48c day and it was fantastic. I slowed it down until the flywheels pretty much stopped before the engine fired. It is the only time I have ever managed to run it so slow. One of the great sights in Austral land was the R-T centenary rally where there were around 300 sideshaft Australs. It was a sunny day and everyone had slowed down their engines but mid-afternoon a cool breeze sprang up and almost all the lamp Australs stopped almost simultaneously. I will do some experimenting and hopefully get the 5.5hp running a lot longer without cooling off. Patrick On 22/5/12 2:44 AM, "Rob Skinner" wrote: > > On May 21, 2012, at 8:29 AM, Arnie Fero wrote: > >> G'day Patrick, >> >> Any chance these engines were really continuous lamp (despite >> what the adverts said)? 8-) > > > > I think the problem is that Australs are hit and miss governed, and we run > them with no load. Under no load, there are so many revolutions between > firing, that the vaporizer does not maintain proper temperature. Ronaldson & > Tippett must have realized there were issues, as they utilized an ?ignitor > coil? to aid ignition. My experiments with different materials and > configurations of the ignitor coil concluded that it doesn?t do a whole lot. > > I?ve seen other vaporizing oil engines exhibit the same behavior on cold, > windy days. Australs just do it on warmer days, as well. Perhaps the Australs > were designed to run under typical Australian conditions, but I?ve never had > the opportunity to run an engine at 45 degrees Celsius. > > -- > Rob Skinner > www.rustyiron.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Patrick M Livingstone 0418 692013 Earlwood NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From rotigel at me.com Mon May 21 19:20:36 2012 From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 22:20:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Gibbs & Russell In-Reply-To: <4D759A5CDDF34758B2156652726E00AD@DREAMS> References: <4ddd55a206a5d602b27ba1afed48b83f.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com> <1E74D844-A966-4BC6-A1B7-E213F302B7DD@me.com> <4598886AD8FA4A9782B8FD33CA5E3597@DREAMS> <509EAF98365646CCB0F5706DB475E6D4@DREAMS> <7D1B0146-A24A-4873-85D3-2F9A4364F83A@me.com> <4D759A5CDDF34758B2156652726E00AD@DREAMS> Message-ID: Hi Denis, In 2008 at Cotton Ginning Days (See: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7aFdcfBODA) we had 8 drag saws running all at the same time--and NO FENCES! You may note that there are a lot of kids around and ALL of them have respect for the moving parts. I think that's because we are not a 3rd world country, but perhaps is simply because the gene pool has already been cleaned out. Who Knows? Dave PS, Ask Russ about the best way to import an Indian! PPS, Next year we in the USA will start playing Cowboys and Muslims, so there should be a lot of Indians left over for export! PPPS, Be VERY careful of REG when you do meet him! PPPPS, Good luck with your Ronnie T--and when it's done we expect some pictures/video (from inside the hog fence!) On May 20, 2012, at 11:35 PM, Denis Ludlow wrote: > HI Dave No I don't know Reg yet. I think the fences are to keep the kids > from sticking their fingers in a spinning flywheel. There is always a gate > and I have never had trouble getting entry for a closer look. I am restoring > an old Ronaldson and Tippet Drag Saw and when I show it I will be happy to > have a fence around it One less thing to worry about Anyway its good talking > to you Dave We like collecting the old Yank stuff down here also I would > love an old Indian motorcycle but can only dream cheers Denis > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Rotigel > Sent: Monday, 21 May 2012 11:44 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Gibbs & Russell > > "Offend" me? If you knew me better Denis you would know that that's damn > near impossible! Being serious for a moment let me say that I have good > friends from OZ and I have nothing but respect for them and for their > country (except for those who want to put hog fences around engines being > displayed.) Truth is that you would never think that any of my good mates > from down under were from 3rd world countries. (Well maybe one or two!) > Dave > PS, Do you know Reg? > > On May 20, 2012, at 9:18 PM, Denis Ludlow wrote: > >> Yeh mate I suppose I am but I reckon you would be too. Hope I didn't > offend >> you cheers Denis >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Rotigel >> Sent: Monday, 21 May 2012 11:06 AM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Gibbs & Russell >> >> Just A BIT defensive aren't we Denis? >> Dave >> >> On May 20, 2012, at 7:12 PM, Denis Ludlow wrote: >> >>> HEY Dave I hope you know more about old engines than you do about world >>> news. Australia is not a third world country. Our economy is envied by > the >>> rest of the world including USA cheers Denis >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave > Rotigel >>> Sent: Monday, 21 May 2012 3:47 AM >>> To: The SEL email discussion list >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Gibbs & Russell >>> >>> AGREED, but it's almost a SIN exporting so important a part of the USA >>> cultural heritage to a 3rd world country where you would be required to >> put >>> hog fencing around it! >>> Dave >>> >>> On May 20, 2012, at 10:33 AM, Arnie Fero wrote: >>> >>>> Rob, >>>> >>>> That's a really neat article on the Gibbs & Russell. And you can really >>>> see the "family resemblance" in the cross-head design to the later Gibbs >> & >>>> Starret. >>>> >>>> I was surprised that your otherwise excellent article didn't mention >>>> Fithian and Carruthers invention of the clutch pulley which made the >>>> half-breed concept possible. >>>> >>> >> > http://gasengine.farmcollector.com/Gas-Engines/HISTORICAL-SKETCH-HALF-BREED- >>> ENGINES.aspx?page=2 >>>> www.google.com/patents/US682126.pdf >>>> www.google.com/patents/US682127.pdf >>>> >>>> See ya, Arnie >>>> >>>> PS - Patrick, really looking forward to the tale of how this engine made >>>> it to Oz. >>>> >>>> On Sun, May 20, 2012 9:49 am, Rob Skinner wrote: >>>>> That's a whole lot of nice engines, Patrick! >>>>> >>>>> I was especially surprised to see that the Gibbs & Russell had made it >> to >>>>> Oz. Who owns it now? I did an article on that engine years ago. >>>>> http://www.rustyiron.com/Articles/bouma'sone-of-a-.html >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at me.com Mon May 21 19:58:21 2012 From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 22:58:21 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Gibbs & Russell In-Reply-To: References: <4ddd55a206a5d602b27ba1afed48b83f.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com> <1E74D844-A966-4BC6-A1B7-E213F302B7DD@me.com> <4598886AD8FA4A9782B8FD33CA5E3597@DREAMS> <509EAF98365646CCB0F5706DB475E6D4@DREAMS> <7D1B0146-A24A-4873-85D3-2F9A4364F83A@me.com> <4D759A5CDDF34758B2156652726E00AD@DREAMS> Message-ID: Damn, It was ONLY 6--MY BAD! SEE: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zPVrirlB5s Dave On May 21, 2012, at 10:20 PM, Dave Rotigel wrote: > Hi Denis, > In 2008 at Cotton Ginning Days (See: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7aFdcfBODA) we had 8 drag saws running all at the same time--and NO FENCES! You may note that there are a lot of kids around and ALL of them have respect for the moving parts. I think that's because we are not a 3rd world country, but perhaps is simply because the gene pool has already been cleaned out. Who Knows? > Dave > PS, Ask Russ about the best way to import an Indian! > PPS, Next year we in the USA will start playing Cowboys and Muslims, so there should be a lot of Indians left over for export! > PPPS, Be VERY careful of REG when you do meet him! > PPPPS, Good luck with your Ronnie T--and when it's done we expect some pictures/video (from inside the hog fence!) > > > On May 20, 2012, at 11:35 PM, Denis Ludlow wrote: > >> HI Dave No I don't know Reg yet. I think the fences are to keep the kids >> from sticking their fingers in a spinning flywheel. There is always a gate >> and I have never had trouble getting entry for a closer look. I am restoring >> an old Ronaldson and Tippet Drag Saw and when I show it I will be happy to >> have a fence around it One less thing to worry about Anyway its good talking >> to you Dave We like collecting the old Yank stuff down here also I would >> love an old Indian motorcycle but can only dream cheers Denis >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Rotigel >> Sent: Monday, 21 May 2012 11:44 AM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Gibbs & Russell >> >> "Offend" me? If you knew me better Denis you would know that that's damn >> near impossible! Being serious for a moment let me say that I have good >> friends from OZ and I have nothing but respect for them and for their >> country (except for those who want to put hog fences around engines being >> displayed.) Truth is that you would never think that any of my good mates >> from down under were from 3rd world countries. (Well maybe one or two!) >> Dave >> PS, Do you know Reg? >> >> On May 20, 2012, at 9:18 PM, Denis Ludlow wrote: >> >>> Yeh mate I suppose I am but I reckon you would be too. Hope I didn't >> offend >>> you cheers Denis >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Rotigel >>> Sent: Monday, 21 May 2012 11:06 AM >>> To: The SEL email discussion list >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Gibbs & Russell >>> >>> Just A BIT defensive aren't we Denis? >>> Dave >>> >>> On May 20, 2012, at 7:12 PM, Denis Ludlow wrote: >>> >>>> HEY Dave I hope you know more about old engines than you do about world >>>> news. Australia is not a third world country. Our economy is envied by >> the >>>> rest of the world including USA cheers Denis >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave >> Rotigel >>>> Sent: Monday, 21 May 2012 3:47 AM >>>> To: The SEL email discussion list >>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Gibbs & Russell >>>> >>>> AGREED, but it's almost a SIN exporting so important a part of the USA >>>> cultural heritage to a 3rd world country where you would be required to >>> put >>>> hog fencing around it! >>>> Dave >>>> >>>> On May 20, 2012, at 10:33 AM, Arnie Fero wrote: >>>> >>>>> Rob, >>>>> >>>>> That's a really neat article on the Gibbs & Russell. And you can really >>>>> see the "family resemblance" in the cross-head design to the later Gibbs >>> & >>>>> Starret. >>>>> >>>>> I was surprised that your otherwise excellent article didn't mention >>>>> Fithian and Carruthers invention of the clutch pulley which made the >>>>> half-breed concept possible. >>>>> >>>> >>> >> http://gasengine.farmcollector.com/Gas-Engines/HISTORICAL-SKETCH-HALF-BREED- >>>> ENGINES.aspx?page=2 >>>>> www.google.com/patents/US682126.pdf >>>>> www.google.com/patents/US682127.pdf >>>>> >>>>> See ya, Arnie >>>>> >>>>> PS - Patrick, really looking forward to the tale of how this engine made >>>>> it to Oz. >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, May 20, 2012 9:49 am, Rob Skinner wrote: >>>>>> That's a whole lot of nice engines, Patrick! >>>>>> >>>>>> I was especially surprised to see that the Gibbs & Russell had made it >>> to >>>>>> Oz. Who owns it now? I did an article on that engine years ago. >>>>>> http://www.rustyiron.com/Articles/bouma'sone-of-a-.html >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> SEL mailing list >>>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ron at lakeport-1.com Mon May 21 21:43:38 2012 From: ron at lakeport-1.com (Ron Cook) Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 23:43:38 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Annealing Aluminum In-Reply-To: <20120521.111302.1667.505718@mailpop09.vgs.untd.com> References: <20120521.111302.1667.505718@mailpop09.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <4FBB197A.4090002@lakeport-1.com> That is the one I use. An old blacksmith friend showed me that years and years ago. I have never heard of the soap trick, but it would be the same thing, it appears. Ron Cook Salix, IA On 5/21/2012 1:12 PM, rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: > Hi Rick. > The old hot rod trick I remember was to lay down a layer of soot from a > pure acetylene flame, then with a neutral flame heat it until the soot > was gone. > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California USA > http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell > > On Mon, 21 May 2012 08:04:43 -0600 "Richard Strobel" > writes: >> Gang...what's he rubbing on the aluminum? >> >> >> >> >> >>> Annealing Aluminum - YouTube >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxhdFsrzSmY >> >> >> Thanks, >> RickinMt. From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Tue May 22 03:15:20 2012 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 03:15:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Gibbs & Russell In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1337681720.24422.YahooMailClassic@web111719.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I like this one. Work those kids. Let them feel the saw. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBi4PY5wkV0&feature=relmfu They will always remember it. Alan --- On Mon, 5/21/12, Dave Rotigel wrote: From: Dave Rotigel Subject: Re: [SEL] Gibbs & Russell To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Monday, May 21, 2012, 10:58 PM Damn, It was ONLY 6--MY BAD! SEE: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zPVrirlB5s ??? Dave On May 21, 2012, at 10:20 PM, Dave Rotigel wrote: > Hi Denis, > ??? In 2008 at Cotton Ginning Days (See: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7aFdcfBODA) we had 8 drag saws running all at the same time--and NO FENCES! You may note that there are a lot of kids around and ALL of them have respect for the moving parts. I think that's because we are not a 3rd world country, but perhaps is simply because the gene pool has already been cleaned out. Who Knows? > ??? Dave > PS, Ask Russ about the best way to import an Indian! > PPS, Next year we in the USA will start playing Cowboys and Muslims, so there should be a lot of Indians left over for export! > PPPS, Be VERY careful of REG when you do meet him! > PPPPS, Good luck with your Ronnie T--and when it's done we expect some pictures/video (from inside the hog fence!) > > > On May 20, 2012, at 11:35 PM, Denis Ludlow wrote: > >> HI Dave No I don't know Reg yet. I think the fences are to keep the kids >> from sticking their fingers in a spinning flywheel.? There is always a gate >> and I have never had trouble getting entry for a closer look. I am restoring >> an old Ronaldson and Tippet Drag Saw and when I show it I will be happy to >> have a fence around it One less thing to worry about Anyway its good talking >> to you Dave We like collecting the old Yank stuff down here also? I would >> love an old Indian motorcycle but can only dream cheers Denis >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Rotigel >> Sent: Monday, 21 May 2012 11:44 AM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Gibbs & Russell >> >> "Offend" me? If you knew me better Denis you would know that that's damn >> near impossible! Being serious for a moment let me say that I have good >> friends from OZ and I have nothing but respect for them and for their >> country (except for those who want to put hog fences around engines being >> displayed.) Truth is that you would never think that any of my good mates >> from down under were from 3rd world countries. (Well maybe one or two!) >> ??? Dave >> PS, Do you know Reg? >> >> On May 20, 2012, at 9:18 PM, Denis Ludlow wrote: >> >>> Yeh mate I suppose I am but I reckon you would be too. Hope I didn't >> offend >>> you cheers Denis >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Rotigel >>> Sent: Monday, 21 May 2012 11:06 AM >>> To: The SEL email discussion list >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Gibbs & Russell >>> >>> Just A BIT defensive aren't we Denis? >>> ??? Dave >>> >>> On May 20, 2012, at 7:12 PM, Denis Ludlow wrote: >>> >>>> HEY Dave I hope you know more about old engines than you do about world >>>> news. Australia is not a third world country. Our economy is envied by >> the >>>> rest of the world including USA cheers Denis >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave >> Rotigel >>>> Sent: Monday, 21 May 2012 3:47 AM >>>> To: The SEL email discussion list >>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Gibbs & Russell >>>> >>>> AGREED, but it's almost a SIN exporting so important a part of the USA >>>> cultural heritage to a 3rd world country where you would be required to >>> put >>>> hog fencing around it! >>>> ??? Dave >>>> >>>> On May 20, 2012, at 10:33 AM, Arnie Fero wrote: >>>> >>>>> Rob, >>>>> >>>>> That's a really neat article on the Gibbs & Russell.? And you can really >>>>> see the "family resemblance" in the cross-head design to the later Gibbs >>> & >>>>> Starret. >>>>> >>>>> I was surprised that your otherwise excellent article didn't mention >>>>> Fithian and Carruthers invention of the clutch pulley which made the >>>>> half-breed concept possible. >>>>> >>>> >>> >> http://gasengine.farmcollector.com/Gas-Engines/HISTORICAL-SKETCH-HALF-BREED- >>>> ENGINES.aspx?page=2 >>>>> www.google.com/patents/US682126.pdf >>>>> www.google.com/patents/US682127.pdf >>>>> >>>>> See ya,? Arnie >>>>> >>>>> PS - Patrick, really looking forward to the tale of how this engine made >>>>> it to Oz. >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, May 20, 2012 9:49 am, Rob Skinner wrote: >>>>>> That's a whole lot of nice engines, Patrick! >>>>>> >>>>>> I was especially surprised to see that the Gibbs & Russell had made it >>> to >>>>>> Oz. Who owns it now? I did an article on that engine years ago. >>>>>> http://www.rustyiron.com/Articles/bouma'sone-of-a-.html >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> SEL mailing list >>>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at me.com Tue May 22 06:28:33 2012 From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 09:28:33 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Gibbs & Russell In-Reply-To: <1337681720.24422.YahooMailClassic@web111719.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1337681720.24422.YahooMailClassic@web111719.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Another good way to tire kids out is to have them pump water. See: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=uONOqKcxNR4 and http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=9AKl6SDo-3g I tell the kids that IF they can pump fast enough to make the bucket overflow they win $100.00. A few of the kids (and LOTS of adult Democrats) actually try to win the money! Dave On May 22, 2012, at 6:15 AM, Alan wrote: > I like this one. > Work those kids. > Let them feel the saw. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBi4PY5wkV0&feature=relmfu > They will always remember it. > Alan > > --- On Mon, 5/21/12, Dave Rotigel wrote: > > > From: Dave Rotigel > Subject: Re: [SEL] Gibbs & Russell > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Date: Monday, May 21, 2012, 10:58 PM > > > Damn, It was ONLY 6--MY BAD! SEE: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zPVrirlB5s > Dave > > On May 21, 2012, at 10:20 PM, Dave Rotigel wrote: > >> Hi Denis, >> In 2008 at Cotton Ginning Days (See: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7aFdcfBODA) we had 8 drag saws running all at the same time--and NO FENCES! You may note that there are a lot of kids around and ALL of them have respect for the moving parts. I think that's because we are not a 3rd world country, but perhaps is simply because the gene pool has already been cleaned out. Who Knows? >> Dave >> PS, Ask Russ about the best way to import an Indian! >> PPS, Next year we in the USA will start playing Cowboys and Muslims, so there should be a lot of Indians left over for export! >> PPPS, Be VERY careful of REG when you do meet him! >> PPPPS, Good luck with your Ronnie T--and when it's done we expect some pictures/video (from inside the hog fence!) >> From rotigel at me.com Thu May 24 09:20:55 2012 From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 12:20:55 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Coolspring Setup Message-ID: <9462DDCE-549A-44EC-832A-7B144F60B415@me.com> Hi All, I talked with Jack last night about the SEL area at Coolspring again this year. He will be roping off the engine area the weekend of June 8th (the weekend before the show.) No one can get onto the grounds to set up until noon on June 12th (Tuesday.) I plan to set up the SEL area on the 12th at about 3:00. We be in the same place as we have been for 15 years, or so--at the end of row two way down near the trees. I will have a sign with the SEL logo and an arrow on it at the near end or row 2 as well as SEL logo signs on the ropes around our area. The Galloway and whatever Arnie will be bringing will be at the very end of the row near the trees. Please fill in our area from that point back toward the gate so that if we have space left over by Friday we can "donate" it back to Jake. If this is your first time at Coolspring, or setting up with us, you can ask Jake where to go--he may tell you even if you don't ask! Hope to see LOTS of LIST members there! Dave PS, Formal show dates are June 14-16. From mr at carolina.rr.com Thu May 24 16:56:52 2012 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 19:56:52 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Coolspring Setup In-Reply-To: <9462DDCE-549A-44EC-832A-7B144F60B415@me.com> References: <9462DDCE-549A-44EC-832A-7B144F60B415@me.com> Message-ID: Steve and I will see you there! -----Original Message----- From: Dave Rotigel Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 12:20 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Cc: Jim Ritenour Subject: [SEL] Coolspring Setup Hi All, I talked with Jack last night about the SEL area at Coolspring again this year. He will be roping off the engine area the weekend of June 8th (the weekend before the show.) No one can get onto the grounds to set up until noon on June 12th (Tuesday.) I plan to set up the SEL area on the 12th at about 3:00. We be in the same place as we have been for 15 years, or so--at the end of row two way down near the trees. I will have a sign with the SEL logo and an arrow on it at the near end or row 2 as well as SEL logo signs on the ropes around our area. The Galloway and whatever Arnie will be bringing will be at the very end of the row near the trees. Please fill in our area from that point back toward the gate so that if we have space left over by Friday we can "donate" it back to Jake. If this is your first time at Coolspring, or setting up with us, you can ask Jake where to go--he may tell you even if you don't ask! Hope to see LOTS of LIST members there! Dave PS, Formal show dates are June 14-16. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From dtallman at accnorwalk.com Thu May 24 18:19:27 2012 From: dtallman at accnorwalk.com (Doug Tallman) Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 21:19:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Help for a Tractor Collector Message-ID: <4FBEDE1F.6000205@accnorwalk.com> A collector in the Meadville PA area built a memorial tractor for his wife that died from cancer. "Somehow", this tractor ended up in the top ten of the sexy tractor contest on the local radio station. It seems there is some confusion between sexy tractors and sexy things with tractors. Number 5 would appreciate your vote! Vote early and vote often!! Doug T http://froggyfun.com/sexy_tractor_vote From russell at ncable.com.au Thu May 24 22:29:14 2012 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell) Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 15:29:14 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Help for a Tractor Collector In-Reply-To: <4FBEDE1F.6000205@accnorwalk.com> References: <4FBEDE1F.6000205@accnorwalk.com> Message-ID: Gee Doug you make it hard, Every time my curser was moving to number five it kept flicking up to number 3. Man nice lungs is all I can say. Five got my vote. Russell On 25/05/2012, at 11:19 AM, Doug Tallman wrote: > > A collector in the Meadville PA area built a memorial tractor for his > wife that died from cancer. "Somehow", this tractor ended up in the top > ten of the sexy tractor contest on the local radio station. It seems > there is some confusion between sexy tractors and sexy things with > tractors. Number 5 would appreciate your vote! Vote early and vote > often!! Doug T > > http://froggyfun.com/sexy_tractor_vote > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jlb94 at juno.com Fri May 25 08:07:34 2012 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 15:07:34 GMT Subject: [SEL] Coolspring Setup Message-ID: <20120525.110734.31730.4@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> Hi Dave, Thanks for the notice. I plan to be there on Thursday Evening. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ A man may smile and bid you hail. Yet bid you to the devil. (_0_) But when a dog wags his tail. You know he?s on the level. ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Dave Rotigel To: The SEL email discussion list Cc: Jim Ritenour Subject: [SEL] Coolspring Setup Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 12:20:55 -0400 Hi All, I talked with Jack last night about the SEL area at Coolspring again this year. He will be roping off the engine area the weekend of June 8th (the weekend before the show.) No one can get onto the grounds to set up until noon on June 12th (Tuesday.) I plan to set up the SEL area on the 12th at about 3:00. We be in the same place as we have been for 15 years, or so--at the end of row two way down near the trees. I will have a sign with the SEL logo and an arrow on it at the near end or row 2 as well as SEL logo signs on the ropes around our area. The Galloway and whatever Arnie will be bringing will be at the very end of the row near the trees. Please fill in our area from that point back toward the gate so that if we have space left over by Friday we can "donate" it back to Jake. If this is your first time at Coolspring, or setting up with us, you can ask Jake where to go--he may tell you even if you don't ask! Hope to see LOTS of LIST members there! Dave PS, Formal show dates are June 14-16. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From plowe at exemail.com.au Sun May 27 01:30:20 2012 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Sun, 27 May 2012 18:30:20 +1000 Subject: [SEL] R&V engine for sale Message-ID: <24BA5B9289ED48C7817A257E0DE666B1@PeterPC> Hi all I have found an R&V engine in Maryland, USA that I have hopefully saved from the scrap yard. It is a 2hp BL engine, looks complete and I am waiting for better photos. It has the Baltimore John Deere tag. Anyone interested get back to me ASAP. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm Australia From curt at rustyiron.com Wed May 30 11:18:12 2012 From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com) Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 11:18:12 -0700 Subject: [SEL] New Way In-Reply-To: <1337553219.41058.YahooMailNeo@web110310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <4ddd55a206a5d602b27ba1afed48b83f.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com> <1E74D844-A966-4BC6-A1B7-E213F302B7DD@me.com> <1337553219.41058.YahooMailNeo@web110310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <501be83d599085edb23efe7f8188289b.squirrel@elara.lunarservers.com> Well guys, Sunday was the big 50. I was determined to NOT mow any grass, fix anything in the yard or house, and spend the day doing nothing but gas engine hobby stuff. At Baraboo a couple of years ago Missy found this pitiful little engine cart with terribly floppy wheels. A closer look revealed that pieces of babbitt bearings from a small engine had been stuffed to fill the gap between the axle and the wheel hubs! So the last month or so has been spent boring the wheel true, installing Oilite bushings, installing new axles, and fixing all the broken and bent parts on this cart. Sunday was spent assembling the cart, drilling holes, and mounting the New Way engine on the cart. Here is the result of the day's work. Really please with the look. The engine is a little stiff to turn even though I've put plenty of oil in the cylinder and lubed things as best I can. At this point I really need some New Way experts to spread some knowledge. -How are the mains lubed? -How is the big end of the conn rod lubed? -Does this have a wet sump? I see no access hole to check oil level. It has a Bosch maggy. It doesn't impulse like other mags. Can any one tell me how these work? Or point me to a link about them? Thanks, Curt Holland From lsain33 at charter.net Wed May 30 12:08:39 2012 From: lsain33 at charter.net (Larry Sain) Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 15:08:39 -0400 Subject: [SEL] New Way References: <4ddd55a206a5d602b27ba1afed48b83f.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com><1E74D844-A966-4BC6-A1B7-E213F302B7DD@me.com><1337553219.41058.YahooMailNeo@web110310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <501be83d599085edb23efe7f8188289b.squirrel@elara.lunarservers.com> Message-ID: <49478CA04C1F403DBCB3BFAD5002EFD2@desktop01> Beautiful little cart Curt. A good way to celebrate moving into the senior division 8-). Best regards and happy birthday. Larry in Cat Square ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 2:18 PM Subject: [SEL] New Way > > Well guys, Sunday was the big 50. I was determined to NOT mow any grass, > fix anything in the yard or house, and spend the day doing nothing but gas > engine hobby stuff. > At Baraboo a couple of years ago Missy found this pitiful little engine > cart with terribly floppy wheels. A closer look revealed that pieces of > babbitt bearings from a small engine had been stuffed to fill the gap > between the axle and the wheel hubs! So the last month or so has been > spent boring the wheel true, installing Oilite bushings, installing new > axles, and fixing all the broken and bent parts on this cart. > Sunday was spent assembling the cart, drilling holes, and mounting the New > Way engine on the cart. Here is the result of the day's work. > > > Really please with the look. > > The engine is a little stiff to turn even though I've put plenty of oil in > the cylinder and lubed things as best I can. > > At this point I really need some New Way experts to spread some knowledge. > > -How are the mains lubed? > -How is the big end of the conn rod lubed? > -Does this have a wet sump? I see no access hole to check oil level. > > It has a Bosch maggy. It doesn't impulse like other mags. Can any one tell > me how these work? Or point me to a link about them? > > Thanks, > Curt Holland > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed May 30 13:53:12 2012 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 14:53:12 -0600 Subject: [SEL] New Way In-Reply-To: <4ddd55a206a5d602b27ba1afed48b83f.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com><1E74D844-A966-4BC6-A1B7-E213F302B7DD@me.com><1337553219.41058.YahooMailNeo@web110310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <501be83d599085edb23efe7f8188289b.squirrel@elara.lunarservers.com> References: <4ddd55a206a5d602b27ba1afed48b83f.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com><1E74D844-A966-4BC6-A1B7-E213F302B7DD@me.com><1337553219.41058.YahooMailNeo@web110310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <501be83d599085edb23efe7f8188289b.squirrel@elara.lunarservers.com> Message-ID: Happy belated Curt; Here's my 4-1/2 hp New Way webshots album which may answer some of your questions. I believe it is wet sump and bearings are splash lubed. Not sure on the wrist pin. Engine blowby is piped to the fan shaft and supposedly lubed the fan. I've heard it didn't work very well tho. Good Luck..if I can help in any way, just holler. http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/album/471752277SOWnom ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 12:18 PM Subject: [SEL] New Way > > Well guys, Sunday was the big 50. I was determined to NOT mow any grass, > fix anything in the yard or house, and spend the day doing nothing but gas > engine hobby stuff. > At Baraboo a couple of years ago Missy found this pitiful little engine > cart with terribly floppy wheels. A closer look revealed that pieces of > babbitt bearings from a small engine had been stuffed to fill the gap > between the axle and the wheel hubs! So the last month or so has been > spent boring the wheel true, installing Oilite bushings, installing new > axles, and fixing all the broken and bent parts on this cart. > Sunday was spent assembling the cart, drilling holes, and mounting the New > Way engine on the cart. Here is the result of the day's work. > > > Really please with the look. > > The engine is a little stiff to turn even though I've put plenty of oil in > the cylinder and lubed things as best I can. > > At this point I really need some New Way experts to spread some knowledge. > > -How are the mains lubed? > -How is the big end of the conn rod lubed? > -Does this have a wet sump? I see no access hole to check oil level. > > It has a Bosch maggy. It doesn't impulse like other mags. Can any one tell > me how these work? Or point me to a link about them? > > Thanks, > Curt Holland > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From cgandree at mchsi.com Thu May 31 04:48:46 2012 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 06:48:46 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [SEL] New Way In-Reply-To: <501be83d599085edb23efe7f8188289b.squirrel@elara.lunarservers.com> Message-ID: <720973134.16355691338464926996.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11> Hey Curt, I remember very clearly when you guys got that relic........very good job on the restoration and fits perfectly under the New Way. Thanks for sharing! By the way are you and Missy coming to Baraboo this year???? Curt Andree ----- Original Message ----- From: curt at rustyiron.com To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 1:18:12 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: [SEL] New Way Well guys, Sunday was the big 50. I was determined to NOT mow any grass, fix anything in the yard or house, and spend the day doing nothing but gas engine hobby stuff. At Baraboo a couple of years ago Missy found this pitiful little engine cart with terribly floppy wheels. A closer look revealed that pieces of babbitt bearings from a small engine had been stuffed to fill the gap between the axle and the wheel hubs! So the last month or so has been spent boring the wheel true, installing Oilite bushings, installing new axles, and fixing all the broken and bent parts on this cart. Sunday was spent assembling the cart, drilling holes, and mounting the New Way engine on the cart. Here is the result of the day's work. Really please with the look. The engine is a little stiff to turn even though I've put plenty of oil in the cylinder and lubed things as best I can. At this point I really need some New Way experts to spread some knowledge. -How are the mains lubed? -How is the big end of the conn rod lubed? -Does this have a wet sump? I see no access hole to check oil level. It has a Bosch maggy. It doesn't impulse like other mags. Can any one tell me how these work? Or point me to a link about them? Thanks, Curt Holland _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu May 31 05:32:23 2012 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 08:32:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Has Anyone Heard from Jerry Evans Lately? Message-ID: <8d1cee824dd42ef54ece000761dd15a4.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com> The last I heard from him was a few weeks ago when he said he was signing off for a while as the local blacks had once again ripped down the local phone lines to sell the copper for scrap and his only email access would be an Internet Cafe a drive away. See ya, Arnie From frappi at wcoil.com Thu May 31 07:45:57 2012 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 10:45:57 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Has Anyone Heard from Jerry Evans Lately? In-Reply-To: <8d1cee824dd42ef54ece000761dd15a4.squirrel@webmail.realprod ata.com> References: <8d1cee824dd42ef54ece000761dd15a4.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com> Message-ID: <20120531144555.F2FC19BF1@smtp.wcoil.com> Matter of fact no, Been so busy lately that if half the list disappeared I might no realize it for a while. I shot an email his way, see if he replies. Think I got a major piece of the Vans problems ironed out last night not sure, have not had time to test drive it yet. Coolspring is breathing down my neck!! Mark At 08:32 AM 5/31/2012, you wrote: >The last I heard from him was a few weeks ago when he said he was signing >off for a while as the local blacks had once again ripped down the local >phone lines to sell the copper for scrap and his only email access would >be an Internet Cafe a drive away. > >See ya, Arnie > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home Hobby Collector and Dealer in John Deere and Hercules Engines. Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com From curt at rustyiron.com Thu May 31 18:08:40 2012 From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 18:08:40 -0700 Subject: [SEL] New Way In-Reply-To: <720973134.16355691338464926996.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11> References: <720973134.16355691338464926996.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11> Message-ID: <780723f3e9e22ce1c09f1c84ad02d7d7.squirrel@elara.lunarservers.com> Curt, Would like to, but not determined yet. SO much going on at work these days. Curt > Hey Curt, > I remember very clearly when you guys got that relic........very good job > on the restoration and fits perfectly under the New Way. > Thanks for sharing! > By the way are you and Missy coming to Baraboo this year???? > Curt Andree > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: curt at rustyiron.com > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 1:18:12 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central > Subject: [SEL] New Way > > > Well guys, Sunday was the big 50. I was determined to NOT mow any grass, > fix anything in the yard or house, and spend the day doing nothing but gas > engine hobby stuff. > At Baraboo a couple of years ago Missy found this pitiful little engine > cart with terribly floppy wheels. A closer look revealed that pieces of > babbitt bearings from a small engine had been stuffed to fill the gap > between the axle and the wheel hubs! So the last month or so has been > spent boring the wheel true, installing Oilite bushings, installing new > axles, and fixing all the broken and bent parts on this cart. > Sunday was spent assembling the cart, drilling holes, and mounting the New > Way engine on the cart. Here is the result of the day's work. > > > Really please with the look. > > The engine is a little stiff to turn even though I've put plenty of oil in > the cylinder and lubed things as best I can. > > At this point I really need some New Way experts to spread some knowledge. > > -How are the mains lubed? > -How is the big end of the conn rod lubed? > -Does this have a wet sump? I see no access hole to check oil level. > > It has a Bosch maggy. It doesn't impulse like other mags. Can any one tell > me how these work? Or point me to a link about them? > > Thanks, > Curt Holland > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From yostsw at atis.net Thu May 31 19:58:01 2012 From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 22:58:01 -0400 Subject: [SEL] [AT] George Willer In-Reply-To: <003301cd3f91$6bcda720$4368f560$@net> References: <636D18F048494F2D9FDB6AE23B927487@laptop3> <003301cd3f91$6bcda720$4368f560$@net> Message-ID: <4FC82FB9.5080806@atis.net> I braced up for this post with a beer, and stepped outside and tried to imagine the cool air following a small storm was from Portland, IN. I want so desperately to eulogize him in glowing, heart-rendering language. I wanted to lift him up in the fashion great speakers do, using all the standard catch phrases like "Great man", or "helpful friend", etc. And of course, with George, they would all be as true as they could have been for any man - at least as I knew him. Then I thought my post might delve into his history on the list. You know, maybe tell his story as it relates to ATIS, tractors, and the list members. But try as I might, I can't put him in that perfect Rockwell frame - he was so much bigger, and more important to me and the list that such a canned response would be a disservice. So I'm not even sure where I can start..... First I tried to find some of my old emails from , and to, George, just to see how long I've known him. I could not find the beginning, but I find him in my easily accessible archives that go back to 2001 , so it has been a while. He became a good, fast, friend early and for years we emailed regularly and often. In 2005 I started work where I am now, and free time became very, very limited and our emails became less frequent. Then, like many of us, as his health deteriorated, I fell into the trap of letting him reach out to me whenever he felt able and ready. I regret that decision because it then became an excuse to let him slip away from me. That was my fault and a huge mistake. So I'll end this small tribute to George, with this wheat stubble of of thoughts and accolades: 1 - Just this weekend I stripped out the throttle shaft butterfly screw holes on a carb and wished I was as careful as you. 2- Many of us disagreed with you (and you with us) - but almost without exception you were one of our favorite people. 3 - Your advice had a relevancy (and accuracy) rate that was in the stratosphere. That is such a valuable and rare commodity I am not sure what I will do without it. 4 - Even more valuable - you gave your advice without hubris and you never pouted if someone bristled at your words. Argue back maybe - but never pouted and in this day and time that is so refreshing. 5 - I owe you thanks. You were a huge help with my books and while I expressed my appreciation often, I am not sure I ever truly communicated how fundamentally thankful I was to both you and Marilyn. 6 - I went to Dinner in Fremont one night with you and Marilyn and had a wonderful time. I have forgotten many things over the years but don't forget that night. 7 - We argued vehemently about Senator John Edwards and as the trial in Greensboro this year shows, you were right all along. I have owed you an apology for years regarding this and I never gave it to you. You deserved that and I failed you. 8 - My mustache dreams of growing up one day to be like your mustache. There has been a huge hole at the Portland campground for the last few years. Now that hole occupies my heart. Goodbye dear friend, Spencer PS: In the spirit of his constant and abiding friendship to me personally, I am sending along flowers and also donations per the family's instructions. I am signing it as if it came from ATIS/SEL though, since I think the family should know that that the whole community mourns his passing.