From rob at rustyiron.com Thu Mar 1 17:39:44 2012 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 17:39:44 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Lorenz Engine Movie Premier Message-ID: Here?s something to keep you entertained for the next three minutes and forty six seconds. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbfdHuoTHu4 From rotigel at me.com Thu Mar 1 18:48:45 2012 From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2012 21:48:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Lorenz Engine Movie Premier In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Speed is controlled by the intake valve rocker arm"??????? For years Arnie told me the speed was controled by magic--who/whom am I to believe? Dave On Mar 1, 2012, at 8:39 PM, Rob Skinner wrote: > Here?s something to keep you entertained for the next three minutes and forty six seconds. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbfdHuoTHu4 > > From rob at rustyiron.com Thu Mar 1 19:37:36 2012 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 19:37:36 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Lorenz Engine Movie Premier In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0D9070D9-0DEE-4A00-A7DE-5A2BF8D1C94D@rustyiron.com> On Mar 1, 2012, at 6:48 PM, Dave Rotigel wrote: > "Speed is controlled by the intake valve rocker arm"??????? For years Arnie told me the speed was controled by magic--who/whom am I to believe? > Dave > Arnie also believes in neutrons. From rotigel at me.com Fri Mar 2 03:21:00 2012 From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2012 06:21:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Lorenz Engine Movie Premier In-Reply-To: <0D9070D9-0DEE-4A00-A7DE-5A2BF8D1C94D@rustyiron.com> References: <0D9070D9-0DEE-4A00-A7DE-5A2BF8D1C94D@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <7497DC10-E63C-42CB-95A0-C9B11A8A23E3@me.com> On Mar 1, 2012, at 10:37 PM, Rob Skinner wrote: > > On Mar 1, 2012, at 6:48 PM, Dave Rotigel wrote: > >> "Speed is controlled by the intake valve rocker arm"??????? For years Arnie told me the speed was controled by magic--who/whom am I to believe? >> Dave >> > Arnie also believes in neutrons. Point WELL TAKEN Mr. Skinner! Thanks! Dave From sluggo54 at hotmail.com Fri Mar 2 12:53:27 2012 From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2012 14:53:27 -0600 Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 96, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bruce Younger 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68 Madison, SD sluggo54 at hotmail.com "There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter." E. Hemingway > From: sel-request at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: SEL Digest, Vol 96, Issue 1 > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2012 12:00:01 -0500 > > Send SEL mailing list submissions to > sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > sel-request at lists.stationary-engine.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > sel-owner at lists.stationary-engine.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of SEL digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Lorenz Engine Movie Premier (Rob Skinner) > 2. Re: Lorenz Engine Movie Premier (Dave Rotigel) > 3. Re: Lorenz Engine Movie Premier (Rob Skinner) > 4. Re: Lorenz Engine Movie Premier (Dave Rotigel) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 17:39:44 -0800 > From: Rob Skinner > Subject: [SEL] Lorenz Engine Movie Premier > To: Old Engine List , SEL ATIS > , WAPA-Members > > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > Here?s something to keep you entertained for the next three minutes and forty six seconds. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbfdHuoTHu4 > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2012 21:48:45 -0500 > From: Dave Rotigel > Subject: Re: [SEL] Lorenz Engine Movie Premier > To: The SEL email discussion list > Cc: WAPA-Members , Old Engine List > > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > "Speed is controlled by the intake valve rocker arm"??????? For years Arnie told me the speed was controled by magic--who/whom am I to believe? > Dave > > On Mar 1, 2012, at 8:39 PM, Rob Skinner wrote: > > > Here?s something to keep you entertained for the next three minutes and forty six seconds. > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbfdHuoTHu4 > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 19:37:36 -0800 > From: Rob Skinner > Subject: Re: [SEL] Lorenz Engine Movie Premier > To: The SEL email discussion list > Cc: Old Engine List > Message-ID: <0D9070D9-0DEE-4A00-A7DE-5A2BF8D1C94D at rustyiron.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > > On Mar 1, 2012, at 6:48 PM, Dave Rotigel wrote: > > > "Speed is controlled by the intake valve rocker arm"??????? For years Arnie told me the speed was controled by magic--who/whom am I to believe? > > Dave > > > > > Arnie also believes in neutrons. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2012 06:21:00 -0500 > From: Dave Rotigel > Subject: Re: [SEL] Lorenz Engine Movie Premier > To: The SEL email discussion list > Cc: Old Engine List > Message-ID: <7497DC10-E63C-42CB-95A0-C9B11A8A23E3 at me.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII > > > On Mar 1, 2012, at 10:37 PM, Rob Skinner wrote: > > > > > On Mar 1, 2012, at 6:48 PM, Dave Rotigel wrote: > > > >> "Speed is controlled by the intake valve rocker arm"??????? For years Arnie told me the speed was controled by magic--who/whom am I to believe? > >> Dave > >> > > Arnie also believes in neutrons. > > Point WELL TAKEN Mr. Skinner! Thanks! > Dave > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > End of SEL Digest, Vol 96, Issue 1 > ********************************** From sluggo54 at hotmail.com Fri Mar 2 12:54:19 2012 From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2012 14:54:19 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Subject: Lorenz Engine Movie Premier (Rob Skinner) Message-ID: I don't know what's more impressive, Rob. The engine is beautiful, the technology is novel, the execution superb - and the presentation professional. Thank you; there are several well-done jobs here. I enjoyed them all. Bruce Younger Testing Hornady's new Zombie ammunition. From curt at rustyiron.com Fri Mar 2 17:59:43 2012 From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2012 17:59:43 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Lorenz Engine Movie Premier In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > Here?s something to keep you entertained for the next three minutes and > forty six seconds. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbfdHuoTHu4 Rob, Very nice, but your engine porn flick was way too short! We want to see a little more of that action. :-) Curt in NC From rdi at rochester.rr.com Sat Mar 3 08:20:24 2012 From: rdi at rochester.rr.com (Rick I.) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2012 11:20:24 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Lorenz Engine Movie Premier References: Message-ID: <6939F2DB21D94BB7BEEB9B48FD5AD2AC@marlin> > From: Rob Skinner > Subject: [SEL] Lorenz Engine Movie Premier > > Here?s something to keep you entertained for the next three minutes and > forty six seconds. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbfdHuoTHu4 > Thanks, Rob! I've got to say, that was a super job of movie production. What video editting software did you use? -Rick I. From russell at ncable.com.au Sun Mar 4 03:52:24 2012 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 22:52:24 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Rob Skinner eat your heart out In-Reply-To: <6939F2DB21D94BB7BEEB9B48FD5AD2AC@marlin> References: <6939F2DB21D94BB7BEEB9B48FD5AD2AC@marlin> Message-ID: <10387D03-787E-408A-9804-5298EC9043BF@ncable.com.au> Well okay then this might have only taken my daughter about 4 minutes to post on you tube but it does show us Aussies can compete on the world stage of engine movie production ........................................ lol .......... well okay at least I made an effort! Sorry Rob I could not get the birds to chirp on cue. Love Russ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZhWN0n69_U&context=C308f52aADOEgsToPDskLmskmW2snlge68yL9jxA_7 PS: please enjoy From kosh at ncweb.com Sun Mar 4 06:10:57 2012 From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant) Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2012 09:10:57 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Rob Skinner eat your heart out In-Reply-To: <10387D03-787E-408A-9804-5298EC9043BF@ncable.com.au> References: <6939F2DB21D94BB7BEEB9B48FD5AD2AC@marlin> <6939F2DB21D94BB7BEEB9B48FD5AD2AC@marlin> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20120304091005.03fa6ea0@ncweb.com> Some very nice engines there! Is that a TARDAS at 1:30? Dave Merchant At 06:52 AM 3/4/2012, you wrote: >Well okay then this might have only taken my daughter about 4 minutes to >post on you tube but it does show us Aussies can compete on the world >stage of engine movie production ........................................ >lol .......... well okay at least I made an effort! > >Sorry Rob I could not get the birds to chirp on cue. > > Love Russ > > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZhWN0n69_U&context=C308f52aADOEgsToPDskLmskmW2snlge68yL9jxA_7 > >PS: please enjoy >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Dave Merchant kosh at ncweb.com kosh at nesys.com dmerchant at layerzero.com http://www.nesys.com http://www.nesys.org YouTube: SteamCrane From mr at carolina.rr.com Sun Mar 4 07:14:26 2012 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 10:14:26 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Rob Skinner eat your heart out In-Reply-To: <10387D03-787E-408A-9804-5298EC9043BF@ncable.com.au> References: <6939F2DB21D94BB7BEEB9B48FD5AD2AC@marlin> <10387D03-787E-408A-9804-5298EC9043BF@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <9AB867F3B79F40BA862675B89E79396B@RoysterPC> Impressive display of engines and signs!!!!!! -----Original Message----- From: Russell Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2012 6:52 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Rob Skinner eat your heart out Well okay then this might have only taken my daughter about 4 minutes to post on you tube but it does show us Aussies can compete on the world stage of engine movie production ........................................ lol .......... well okay at least I made an effort! Sorry Rob I could not get the birds to chirp on cue. Love Russ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZhWN0n69_U&context=C308f52aADOEgsToPDskLmskmW2snlge68yL9jxA_7 PS: please enjoy _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rob at rustyiron.com Sun Mar 4 07:25:45 2012 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 07:25:45 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Rob Skinner eat your heart out In-Reply-To: <10387D03-787E-408A-9804-5298EC9043BF@ncable.com.au> References: <6939F2DB21D94BB7BEEB9B48FD5AD2AC@marlin> <10387D03-787E-408A-9804-5298EC9043BF@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <7897A1B7-47CA-4ED1-B09A-622E81E43DD7@rustyiron.com> On Mar 4, 2012, at 3:52 AM, Russell wrote: > Well okay then this might have only taken my daughter about 4 minutes to post on you tube but it does show us Aussies can compete on the world stage of engine movie production ........................................ lol .......... well okay at least I made an effort! > > Sorry Rob I could not get the birds to chirp on cue. > > Love Russ G?day, mate. I thought the birds weren?t chirping because the gondwanas ate them all. That?s a nice bunch of engines, and the shop is lovely, as well. Rob From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Mar 4 08:10:24 2012 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 11:10:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Rob Skinner eat your heart out In-Reply-To: <10387D03-787E-408A-9804-5298EC9043BF@ncable.com.au> References: <6939F2DB21D94BB7BEEB9B48FD5AD2AC@marlin> <10387D03-787E-408A-9804-5298EC9043BF@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <5b9d55736cd976f889f3ea0f7f50f52b.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com> G'day Russ, Holy crap!! What a neat shed and awesome collection of engines! It's like a mini-Anson. I NEED to visit! See ya, Arnie On Sun, March 4, 2012 6:52 am, Russell wrote: > Well okay then this might have only taken my daughter about 4 minutes to > post on you tube but it does show us Aussies can compete on the world > stage of engine movie production ........................................ > lol .......... well okay at least I made an effort! > > Sorry Rob I could not get the birds to chirp on cue. > > Love Russ > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZhWN0n69_U&context=C308f52aADOEgsToPDskLmskmW2snlge68yL9jxA_7 From jerrye at databak.co.za Sun Mar 4 11:02:11 2012 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2012 21:02:11 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse "Y" plate help please ?? Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20120304204709.00c5d118@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> Hi All, Can anyone help me here. I have been asked to make a few brass plates for a Fairbanks Morse Type "Y" engine and am busy with the artwork. I've got a reasonable picture to copy but it looks like this may have been a replica plate made by someone else and I've just discovered that 2 of the patent dates are the same - this is unusual and I was wondering if it was possibly a mistake made by whoever made the replica OR was the original plate like that (it's always possible that they did register 2 patents on the same day). If any list member has access to a FM "Y" with an original plate would you please be so kind as to check it out for me and let me know ? Click on the link below to see a picture with details: <[1]http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/PLATES/fmy.JPG> Thanks in advance for any replies. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: <[2]www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm> References 1. http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/PLATES/fmy.JPG 2. http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm From russell at ncable.com.au Sun Mar 4 13:22:59 2012 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell) Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 08:22:59 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Rob Skinner eat your heart out In-Reply-To: <5b9d55736cd976f889f3ea0f7f50f52b.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com> References: <6939F2DB21D94BB7BEEB9B48FD5AD2AC@marlin> <10387D03-787E-408A-9804-5298EC9043BF@ncable.com.au> <5b9d55736cd976f889f3ea0f7f50f52b.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com> Message-ID: Well Arnie don't just talk about it, get on a plane and fly over. There is always a spare bed here for you. Is that a TARDAS at 1:30? Dave Im sorry but not sure what a Tardas is??? thank you all for the comments. It has been quite a while since I spent a few hours in the shed playing engines with freinds. The guy sitting in the chair nere the door is dad, the guy you see in the video is a mate "greg" who lives about 5 minutes away. I got edicted to this hobby with no help from you guys! I then visited Lake Goldsmith engine rally (a long way from home) and thought I could do something similar at my place. I'm am trying my best to be more sensible now days and not get any more engines. cya Russ PS: well maybe one more engine :-) ............. ok two On 05/03/2012, at 3:10 AM, Arnie Fero wrote: > G'day Russ, > > Holy crap!! What a neat shed and awesome collection of engines! > It's like a mini-Anson. I NEED to visit! > > See ya, Arnie > > On Sun, March 4, 2012 6:52 am, Russell wrote: >> Well okay then this might have only taken my daughter about 4 minutes to >> post on you tube but it does show us Aussies can compete on the world >> stage of engine movie production ........................................ >> lol .......... well okay at least I made an effort! >> >> Sorry Rob I could not get the birds to chirp on cue. >> >> Love Russ >> >> >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZhWN0n69_U&context=C308f52aADOEgsToPDskLmskmW2snlge68yL9jxA_7 > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From swilliams268 at frontier.com Sun Mar 4 14:27:18 2012 From: swilliams268 at frontier.com (Steve W.) Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2012 17:27:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Rob Skinner eat your heart out In-Reply-To: References: <6939F2DB21D94BB7BEEB9B48FD5AD2AC@marlin> <10387D03-787E-408A-9804-5298EC9043BF@ncable.com.au> <5b9d55736cd976f889f3ea0f7f50f52b.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com> Message-ID: <4F53EC46.5080201@frontier.com> Russell wrote: > Well Arnie don't just talk about it, get on a plane and fly over. There is always a spare bed here for you. > > Is that a TARDAS at 1:30? > Dave Im sorry but not sure what a Tardas is??? TARDIS (Time And Relative Dimension In Space) - Dr. Who's time traveling machine. Cleverly disguised as a vintage British Police box... Outside it looks like a police call box. Inside it is as large as a sports stadium http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TARDIS -- Steve W. From wackyvorlon at gmail.com Sun Mar 4 15:43:51 2012 From: wackyvorlon at gmail.com (Paul Anderson) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 18:43:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Rob Skinner eat your heart out In-Reply-To: <4F53EC46.5080201@frontier.com> References: <6939F2DB21D94BB7BEEB9B48FD5AD2AC@marlin> <10387D03-787E-408A-9804-5298EC9043BF@ncable.com.au> <5b9d55736cd976f889f3ea0f7f50f52b.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com> <4F53EC46.5080201@frontier.com> Message-ID: <444A7694-E5B4-4C7E-ABA6-941687EE4B31@gmail.com> Adorned with the even more clever Somebody Else's Problem field. Sent from my iPad On 2012-03-04, at 5:27 PM, "Steve W." wrote: > Russell wrote: >> Well Arnie don't just talk about it, get on a plane and fly over. There is always a spare bed here for you. >> >> Is that a TARDAS at 1:30? >> Dave Im sorry but not sure what a Tardas is??? > > TARDIS (Time And Relative Dimension In Space) - Dr. Who's time traveling > machine. Cleverly disguised as a vintage British Police box... > > Outside it looks like a police call box. Inside it is as large as a > sports stadium > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TARDIS > > > > -- > Steve W. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From mr at carolina.rr.com Sun Mar 4 16:45:46 2012 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 19:45:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Rob Skinner eat your heart out In-Reply-To: <4F53EC46.5080201@frontier.com> References: <6939F2DB21D94BB7BEEB9B48FD5AD2AC@marlin> <10387D03-787E-408A-9804-5298EC9043BF@ncable.com.au> <5b9d55736cd976f889f3ea0f7f50f52b.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com> <4F53EC46.5080201@frontier.com> Message-ID: WRONG! He simply stating is the fellow in the corner a "tired ass.?" He just used the southern spelling. -----Original Message----- From: Steve W. Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2012 5:27 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Rob Skinner eat your heart out Russell wrote: > Well Arnie don't just talk about it, get on a plane and fly over. There is > always a spare bed here for you. > > Is that a TARDAS at 1:30? > Dave Im sorry but not sure what a Tardas is??? TARDIS (Time And Relative Dimension In Space) - Dr. Who's time traveling machine. Cleverly disguised as a vintage British Police box... Outside it looks like a police call box. Inside it is as large as a sports stadium http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TARDIS -- Steve W. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From service.ka at edwardsmotors.com.au Tue Mar 6 00:22:56 2012 From: service.ka at edwardsmotors.com.au (Chester Smith) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 16:22:56 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Rob Skinner eat your heart out References: <6939F2DB21D94BB7BEEB9B48FD5AD2AC@marlin> <10387D03-787E-408A-9804-5298EC9043BF@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <014c01ccfb72$5603e0c0$210110ac@Chester> Hi Russell, that looks like my kind of shed, a couple of engines running, some nice collectibles, and a couple of cold beers, cheers from west aus, Chester. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2012 7:52 PM Subject: [SEL] Rob Skinner eat your heart out > Well okay then this might have only taken my daughter about 4 minutes to > post on you tube but it does show us Aussies can compete on the world > stage of engine movie production ........................................ > lol .......... well okay at least I made an effort! > > Sorry Rob I could not get the birds to chirp on cue. > > Love Russ > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZhWN0n69_U&context=C308f52aADOEgsToPDskLmskmW2snlge68yL9jxA_7 > > PS: please enjoy > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Mar 7 13:14:54 2012 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 16:14:54 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] old engine photo Message-ID: <52e46.6df262a9.3c8929ce@aol.com> I recently was given an old photo of an engine that was in my wife's family. Sitting in front of it is my wife's grandfather and a child who we are not sure of yet. The engine has an Olds type hopper top. The two flywheels appear to be mismatched. The near one looks round rather than flat on edge. The other is flat. The spokes do not appear to line up from one wheel to the other. Any thoughts? _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/old%20engine%20reduced.jpg_ (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/old%20engine%20reduced.jpg) Thanks, Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at aol.com From bakermonitor1932 at hotmail.com Thu Mar 8 09:31:27 2012 From: bakermonitor1932 at hotmail.com (Devin Holland) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 12:31:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] unknown engine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That looks like a steam engine conversion. > From: sel-request at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: SEL Digest, Vol 96, Issue 6 > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 12:00:01 -0500 > > Send SEL mailing list submissions to > sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > sel-request at lists.stationary-engine.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > sel-owner at lists.stationary-engine.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of SEL digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. old engine photo (Germoamer at aol.com) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 16:14:54 -0500 (EST) > From: Germoamer at aol.com > Subject: [SEL] old engine photo > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Message-ID: <52e46.6df262a9.3c8929ce at aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > I recently was given an old photo of an engine that was in my wife's > family. Sitting in front of it is my wife's grandfather and a child who we are > not sure of yet. The engine has an Olds type hopper top. The two > flywheels appear to be mismatched. The near one looks round rather than flat on > edge. The other is flat. The spokes do not appear to line up from one wheel > to the other. Any thoughts? > > > _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/old%20engine%20reduced.jpg_ > > (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/old%20engine%20reduced.jpg) > > > Thanks, > > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. > germoamer at aol.com > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > End of SEL Digest, Vol 96, Issue 6 > ********************************** From gasenginetom at hotmail.com Thu Mar 8 10:12:46 2012 From: gasenginetom at hotmail.com (Tom Winland) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 13:12:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] unknown engine In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: steam engines wouldn't have a hopper so that rules out steam > From: bakermonitor1932 at hotmail.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 12:31:27 -0500 > Subject: [SEL] unknown engine > > > That looks like a steam engine conversion. > > > From: sel-request at lists.stationary-engine.com > > Subject: SEL Digest, Vol 96, Issue 6 > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 12:00:01 -0500 > > > > Send SEL mailing list submissions to > > sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > sel-request at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > sel-owner at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of SEL digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. old engine photo (Germoamer at aol.com) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 16:14:54 -0500 (EST) > > From: Germoamer at aol.com > > Subject: [SEL] old engine photo > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > Message-ID: <52e46.6df262a9.3c8929ce at aol.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > > > I recently was given an old photo of an engine that was in my wife's > > family. Sitting in front of it is my wife's grandfather and a child who we are > > not sure of yet. The engine has an Olds type hopper top. The two > > flywheels appear to be mismatched. The near one looks round rather than flat on > > edge. The other is flat. The spokes do not appear to line up from one wheel > > to the other. Any thoughts? > > > > > > _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/old%20engine%20reduced.jpg_ > > > > (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/old%20engine%20reduced.jpg) > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Tom Schmutz > > Concord, Va. > > germoamer at aol.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > End of SEL Digest, Vol 96, Issue 6 > > ********************************** > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From frappi at wcoil.com Thu Mar 8 10:38:53 2012 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2012 13:38:53 -0500 Subject: [SEL] unknown engine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120308183851.34C189696@smtp.wcoil.com> Was there a log saw version of the Olds Engines? That or it was modified for log saw operation? The flat face flywheel is more like a flat drive pulley then a flywheel. The round rim one reminds me of a large hand wheel for a valve. Mark At 12:31 PM 3/8/2012, you wrote: >That looks like a steam engine conversion. > > > From: sel-request at lists.stationary-engine.com > > Subject: SEL Digest, Vol 96, Issue 6 > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 12:00:01 -0500 > > > > Send SEL mailing list submissions to > > sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > sel-request at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > sel-owner at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of SEL digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. old engine photo (Germoamer at aol.com) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 16:14:54 -0500 (EST) > > From: Germoamer at aol.com > > Subject: [SEL] old engine photo > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > Message-ID: <52e46.6df262a9.3c8929ce at aol.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > > > I recently was given an old photo of an engine that was in my wife's > > family. Sitting in front of it is my wife's grandfather and > a child who we are > > not sure of yet. The engine has an Olds type hopper top. The two > > flywheels appear to be mismatched. The near one looks round > rather than flat on > > edge. The other is flat. The spokes do not appear to line up > from one wheel > > to the other. Any thoughts? > > > > > > > _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/old%20engine%20reduced.jpg_ > > > > > (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/old%20engine%20reduced.jpg) > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Tom Schmutz > > Concord, Va. > > germoamer at aol.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > End of SEL Digest, Vol 96, Issue 6 > > ********************************** > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home Hobby Collector and Dealer in John Deere and Hercules Engines. Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com From wackyvorlon at gmail.com Thu Mar 8 10:56:38 2012 From: wackyvorlon at gmail.com (Paul Anderson) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 13:56:38 -0500 Subject: [SEL] unknown engine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It could be a half-breed. You used to be able to buy conversion kits. Keep the flywheels, crankshaft, bed plate, etc. attach a new cylinder and piston. Then you convert the steam engine to a gas or diesel. It is the source of a number of weird looking engines. Sent from my iPad On 2012-03-08, at 1:12 PM, Tom Winland wrote: > > steam engines wouldn't have a hopper so that rules out steam > > >> From: bakermonitor1932 at hotmail.com >> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 12:31:27 -0500 >> Subject: [SEL] unknown engine >> >> >> That looks like a steam engine conversion. >> >>> From: sel-request at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> Subject: SEL Digest, Vol 96, Issue 6 >>> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 12:00:01 -0500 >>> >>> Send SEL mailing list submissions to >>> sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> >>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>> sel-request at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> >>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>> sel-owner at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> >>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>> than "Re: Contents of SEL digest..." >>> >>> >>> Today's Topics: >>> >>> 1. old engine photo (Germoamer at aol.com) >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> Message: 1 >>> Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 16:14:54 -0500 (EST) >>> From: Germoamer at aol.com >>> Subject: [SEL] old engine photo >>> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> Message-ID: <52e46.6df262a9.3c8929ce at aol.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >>> >>> I recently was given an old photo of an engine that was in my wife's >>> family. Sitting in front of it is my wife's grandfather and a child who we are >>> not sure of yet. The engine has an Olds type hopper top. The two >>> flywheels appear to be mismatched. The near one looks round rather than flat on >>> edge. The other is flat. The spokes do not appear to line up from one wheel >>> to the other. Any thoughts? >>> >>> >>> _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/old%20engine%20reduced.jpg_ >>> >>> (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/old%20engine%20reduced.jpg) >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> >>> Tom Schmutz >>> Concord, Va. >>> germoamer at aol.com >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>> End of SEL Digest, Vol 96, Issue 6 >>> ********************************** >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From frappi at wcoil.com Thu Mar 8 12:08:55 2012 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2012 15:08:55 -0500 Subject: [SEL] unknown engine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120308200852.E47AC968D@smtp.wcoil.com> I was not aware that they made half breeds that small. Thats like a 1.5 hp size. maybe 2 at most. But if so yah learn something new every day. Mark At 01:56 PM 3/8/2012, you wrote: >It could be a half-breed. You used to be able to buy conversion >kits. Keep the flywheels, crankshaft, bed plate, etc. attach a new >cylinder and piston. Then you convert the steam engine to a gas or >diesel. It is the source of a number of weird looking engines. > >Sent from my iPad > >On 2012-03-08, at 1:12 PM, Tom Winland wrote: > > > > > steam engines wouldn't have a hopper so that rules out steam > > > > > >> From: bakermonitor1932 at hotmail.com > >> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 12:31:27 -0500 > >> Subject: [SEL] unknown engine > >> > >> > >> That looks like a steam engine conversion. > >> > >>> From: sel-request at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>> Subject: SEL Digest, Vol 96, Issue 6 > >>> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 12:00:01 -0500 > >>> > >>> Send SEL mailing list submissions to > >>> sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>> > >>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > >>> sel-request at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>> > >>> You can reach the person managing the list at > >>> sel-owner at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>> > >>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > >>> than "Re: Contents of SEL digest..." > >>> > >>> > >>> Today's Topics: > >>> > >>> 1. old engine photo (Germoamer at aol.com) > >>> > >>> > >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> > >>> Message: 1 > >>> Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 16:14:54 -0500 (EST) > >>> From: Germoamer at aol.com > >>> Subject: [SEL] old engine photo > >>> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>> Message-ID: <52e46.6df262a9.3c8929ce at aol.com> > >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > >>> > >>> I recently was given an old photo of an engine that was in my wife's > >>> family. Sitting in front of it is my wife's grandfather and a > child who we are > >>> not sure of yet. The engine has an Olds type hopper top. The two > >>> flywheels appear to be mismatched. The near one looks round > rather than flat on > >>> edge. The other is flat. The spokes do not appear to line up > from one wheel > >>> to the other. Any thoughts? > >>> > >>> > >>> > _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/old%20engine%20reduced.jpg_ > >>> > >>> > (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/old%20engine%20reduced.jpg) > >>> > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> > >>> > >>> Tom Schmutz > >>> Concord, Va. > >>> germoamer at aol.com > >>> > >>> ------------------------------ > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> SEL mailing list > >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >>> > >>> > >>> End of SEL Digest, Vol 96, Issue 6 > >>> ********************************** > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home Hobby Collector and Dealer in John Deere and Hercules Engines. Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com From Germoamer at aol.com Fri Mar 9 04:37:43 2012 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 07:37:43 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] unknown engine Message-ID: <2945.44b32df2.3c8b5397@aol.com> In a message dated 3/8/2012 1:52:19 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, frappi at wcoil.com writes: Was there a log saw version of the Olds Engines? That or it was modified for log saw operation? The flat face flywheel is more like a flat drive pulley then a flywheel. The round rim one reminds me of a large hand wheel for a valve ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------ My wife's people were all very mechanically inclined. Known in the area to be able to fix steam engines, make tractors from automobile parts, take several junk cars and put them together to make a jalopy, etc. Knowing that, it is no telling what they have done to the engine in the photo to make it workable. We know it is her grandfather and possibly her brother who died as a young child in the photo. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at aol.com From Germoamer at aol.com Fri Mar 9 09:12:38 2012 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 12:12:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] gluing plastic OT Message-ID: <13c56.40683814.3c8b9406@aol.com> I own a John Deere lawnmower with a plastic hood. I have developed a crack in the hood near where it latches on each side of the mower. At this same location the upper and lower halves of the hood are bolted together and the nut area has broken out a piece of the plastic. Any suggestions for a good thin "crazy" type glue. I need something thin that will go into the crack. At one time I worked for Eastman Kodak, and the Eastman 910 glue was great stuff. Thanks Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at aol.com From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Mar 9 09:26:11 2012 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 12:26:11 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] gluing plastic OT In-Reply-To: <13c56.40683814.3c8b9406@aol.com> References: <13c56.40683814.3c8b9406@aol.com> Message-ID: <94413b3cd4e8a0287693e67a5f9650a4.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com> Tom, Your biggest challenge will be trying to identify the type of plastic. Best bet? Call John Deere, explain your problem, then hit the net looking for an adhesive that works with that plastic. GOOD LUCK! See ya, Arnie On Fri, March 9, 2012 12:12 pm, Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > I own a John Deere lawnmower with a plastic hood. I have developed a > crack in the hood near where it latches on each side of the mower. At this > same location the upper and lower halves of the hood are bolted together > and the nut area has broken out a piece of the plastic. > > Any suggestions for a good thin "crazy" type glue. I need something thin > that will go into the crack. At one time I worked for Eastman Kodak, > and the Eastman 910 glue was great stuff. From rob at rustyiron.com Fri Mar 9 09:56:07 2012 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 09:56:07 -0800 Subject: [SEL] gluing plastic OT In-Reply-To: <13c56.40683814.3c8b9406@aol.com> References: <13c56.40683814.3c8b9406@aol.com> Message-ID: <2C2E94B5-18D7-4250-9F28-E8C434F15B7F@rustyiron.com> On Mar 9, 2012, at 9:12 AM, Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > I own a John Deere lawnmower with a plastic hood. I have developed a > crack in the hood near where it latches on each side of the mower. At this > same location the upper and lower halves of the hood are bolted together and > the nut area has broken out a piece of the plastic. > > Any suggestions for a good thin "crazy" type glue. I need something thin > that will go into the crack. At one time I worked for Eastman Kodak, and > the Eastman 910 glue was great stuff. Back in the olden days, we frequently had problems with broken fenders on motorcycles and other off road vehicles. I never found an adhesive that was suitable, as the plastics used were made so that nothing stuck to them. Kelley once brought home a plastic welder, but the results were not that good, either. If the ?Hillbilly Look? is ok, you might make a piece of sheet metal to fit, then use a lot of small bolts to attach it to the plastic. A new hood will surely be expensive. Rob From swilliams268 at frontier.com Fri Mar 9 10:13:12 2012 From: swilliams268 at frontier.com (Steve W.) Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2012 13:13:12 -0500 Subject: [SEL] gluing plastic OT In-Reply-To: <13c56.40683814.3c8b9406@aol.com> References: <13c56.40683814.3c8b9406@aol.com> Message-ID: <4F5A4838.6000005@frontier.com> Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > I own a John Deere lawnmower with a plastic hood. I have developed a > crack in the hood near where it latches on each side of the mower. At this > same location the upper and lower halves of the hood are bolted together and > the nut area has broken out a piece of the plastic. > > Any suggestions for a good thin "crazy" type glue. I need something thin > that will go into the crack. At one time I worked for Eastman Kodak, and > the Eastman 910 glue was great stuff. > > Thanks > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. > germoamer at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > The same "glue" used for PVC pipe should do the trick. Then add a brace if there is room. -- Steve W. From frappi at wcoil.com Fri Mar 9 10:43:46 2012 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2012 13:43:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] unknown engine In-Reply-To: <2945.44b32df2.3c8b5397@aol.com> References: <2945.44b32df2.3c8b5397@aol.com> Message-ID: <20120309184344.53FF8968D@smtp.wcoil.com> Well that certainly makes sense. If you are poor but inventive and you need an engine, you pick up one with broken flywheels for whatever reason and glob on whatever you can scrounge up to make it work. The back ground looks like the typical VA, W.VA and NC farm land of the period. Striped bare of even the flimsiest of tree or bush and farmed to death. Lot of people do not realize that the eastern areas like that were stripped bare for as far as the eye could see and farmed to death. What we see today as tree filled verdant woods was less then a hundred years ago bald as a billiard ball. TTYL, Mark > >My wife's people were all very mechanically inclined. Known in the area >to be able to fix steam engines, make tractors from automobile parts, take >several junk cars and put them together to make a jalopy, etc. Knowing that, >it is no telling what they have done to the engine in the photo to make it >workable. We know it is her grandfather and possibly her brother who died >as a young child in the photo. > >Tom Schmutz >Concord, Va. >germoamer at aol.com > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home Hobby Collector and Dealer in John Deere and Hercules Engines. Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com From frappi at wcoil.com Fri Mar 9 10:56:45 2012 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2012 13:56:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] gluing plastic OT In-Reply-To: <2C2E94B5-18D7-4250-9F28-E8C434F15B7F@rustyiron.com> References: <13c56.40683814.3c8b9406@aol.com> <2C2E94B5-18D7-4250-9F28-E8C434F15B7F@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <20120309185702.840839665@smtp.wcoil.com> It depends on who sold the Deere as to how expensive a new hood may be. If its a John Deere Dealer Sold tractor yes its gonna cost. But if its a Big Box Store Deere it may be cheaper than you might expect. Reason is the Big box store Deeres and Cadets and others are not actually a true rep of the name brand. Most are MTD built with license from the Name brands to decorate as such. So the parts are less expensive then the name brand on the hood may lead you to think. If you are looking for a pretty, hidden, non noticeable repair thats gonna be tough. But if cosmetics are not as important as function then a metal patch is likely to be the way to go. Thats probably what I would do. Paint it green to blend in. Mark At 12:56 PM 3/9/2012, you wrote: >If the "Hillbilly Look" is ok, you might make a piece of sheet metal >to fit, then use a lot of small bolts to attach it to the plastic. A >new hood will surely be expensive. Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home Hobby Collector and Dealer in John Deere and Hercules Engines. Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com From mls477 at ntelos.net Fri Mar 9 12:27:25 2012 From: mls477 at ntelos.net (Mark L Shattuck) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 15:27:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] gluing plastic OT In-Reply-To: <20120309185702.840839665@smtp.wcoil.com> References: <13c56.40683814.3c8b9406@aol.com> <2C2E94B5-18D7-4250-9F28-E8C434F15B7F@rustyiron.com> <20120309185702.840839665@smtp.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <00d601ccfe33$0a6462c0$1f2d2840$@ntelos.net> Some time ago the list was abuzz with this product called Belzona this stuff is tuff & strong . Mark L Shattuck Waynesboro Va -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mark Shulaw Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 1:57 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] gluing plastic OT It depends on who sold the Deere as to how expensive a new hood may be. If its a John Deere Dealer Sold tractor yes its gonna cost. But if its a Big Box Store Deere it may be cheaper than you might expect. Reason is the Big box store Deeres and Cadets and others are not actually a true rep of the name brand. Most are MTD built with license from the Name brands to decorate as such. So the parts are less expensive then the name brand on the hood may lead you to think. If you are looking for a pretty, hidden, non noticeable repair thats gonna be tough. But if cosmetics are not as important as function then a metal patch is likely to be the way to go. Thats probably what I would do. Paint it green to blend in. Mark At 12:56 PM 3/9/2012, you wrote: >If the "Hillbilly Look" is ok, you might make a piece of sheet metal to >fit, then use a lot of small bolts to attach it to the plastic. A new >hood will surely be expensive. Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home Hobby Collector and Dealer in John Deere and Hercules Engines. Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jneth3 at mac.com Fri Mar 9 13:14:29 2012 From: jneth3 at mac.com (John Neth) Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2012 16:14:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] gluing plastic OT In-Reply-To: <00d601ccfe33$0a6462c0$1f2d2840$@ntelos.net> References: <13c56.40683814.3c8b9406@aol.com> <2C2E94B5-18D7-4250-9F28-E8C434F15B7F@rustyiron.com> <20120309185702.840839665@smtp.wcoil.com> <00d601ccfe33$0a6462c0$1f2d2840$@ntelos.net> Message-ID: <4619026C-59E4-4F39-B484-0BB911E6C2C9@mac.com> I'll be interested in some of these suggestions, have a JD 4510 tractor that a 1.5 inch branch fell about 3 ft and broke about 4 pieces out. Have not tried to put them back yet. I long for metal. John Sent from my iPhone On Mar 9, 2012, at 3:27 PM, Mark L Shattuck wrote: > Some time ago the list was abuzz with this product called Belzona this > stuff is tuff & strong . > > Mark L Shattuck > > Waynesboro Va > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mark Shulaw > Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 1:57 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] gluing plastic OT > > > > It depends on who sold the Deere as to how expensive a new hood may be. If > its a John Deere Dealer Sold tractor yes its gonna cost. But if its a Big > Box Store Deere it may be cheaper than you might expect. > Reason is the Big box store Deeres and Cadets and others are not actually a > true rep of the name brand. Most are MTD built with license from the Name > brands to decorate as such. So the parts are less expensive then the name > brand on the hood may lead you to think. > If you are looking for a pretty, hidden, non noticeable repair thats gonna > be tough. But if cosmetics are not as important as function then a metal > patch is likely to be the way to go. Thats > probably what I would do. Paint it green to blend in. Mark > > > > At 12:56 PM 3/9/2012, you wrote: > >> If the "Hillbilly Look" is ok, you might make a piece of sheet metal to >> fit, then use a lot of small bolts to attach it to the plastic. A new >> hood will surely be expensive. > > > Mark Shulaw > 454 County Road 33 > Bluffton, OH. 45817 > USA > > Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home > Hobby Collector and Dealer in John Deere and Hercules Engines. > Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. > VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Germoamer at aol.com Fri Mar 9 13:29:21 2012 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 16:29:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] gluing plastic OT Message-ID: <17039.22b9ec1f.3c8bd031@aol.com> In a message dated 3/9/2012 2:00:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, frappi at wcoil.com writes: If its a John Deere Dealer Sold tractor yes its gonna cost ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------- It is a John Deere-John Deere and I do not even want to think what a new hood would cost. I have been thinking of some "crazy" type glue in the crack area and then maybe some fiberglass cloth bonding with something(?) on the inside of the hood. The crack is only a few inches long at this point. Tom From Germoamer at aol.com Fri Mar 9 13:34:04 2012 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 16:34:04 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] unknown engine Message-ID: <1729b.1956470f.3c8bd14c@aol.com> In a message dated 3/9/2012 1:52:14 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, frappi at wcoil.com writes: The back ground looks like the typical VA, W.VA and NC farm land of the period. Striped bare of even the flimsiest of tree or bush and farmed to death. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- We think the photo may have been taken in the yard and surrounding fields of her grandfathers home. If you look closely, lots of woods in background. This area in central Virginia is not suitable to clear cut farming as too may hills and gullies not suitable for anything but woods. Tom From frappi at wcoil.com Fri Mar 9 14:22:58 2012 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2012 17:22:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] gluing plastic OT In-Reply-To: <17039.22b9ec1f.3c8bd031@aol.com> References: <17039.22b9ec1f.3c8bd031@aol.com> Message-ID: <20120309222255.C70E996BD@smtp.wcoil.com> One little trick to help stop the spread of the crack before you attempt any repair. Its important to interrupt the fracture. Drill a small hole at the furthest reach of the crack. You want to look real close and be sure to find the very end of the crack. It does not take much of a hole 1/16th or 3/32" even 1/8" the hole will then be filled by whatever adhesive or plastic filler you use. This same thing is some times done with windshield glass. But instead of a hole its just a dimple done with some type of burr?? Not sure what the tool is they use on glass, But its not a drill bit like we think. Mark At 04:29 PM 3/9/2012, you wrote: > >In a message dated 3/9/2012 2:00:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, >frappi at wcoil.com writes: > >If its a John Deere Dealer Sold tractor yes its gonna cost >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >---------------------------------- > >It is a John Deere-John Deere and I do not even want to think what a new >hood would cost. I have been thinking of some "crazy" type glue in the >crack area and then maybe some fiberglass cloth bonding with something(?) on >the inside of the hood. The crack is only a few inches long at this point. > >Tom > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home Hobby Collector and Dealer in John Deere and Hercules Engines. Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com From Frank at lbpinc.com Fri Mar 9 15:37:08 2012 From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt LBP) Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2012 18:37:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] gluing plastic OT In-Reply-To: <20120309222255.C70E996BD@smtp.wcoil.com> References: <17039.22b9ec1f.3c8bd031@aol.com> <20120309222255.C70E996BD@smtp.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <4F5A9424.80904@lbpinc.com> Have you checked Ebay. It seems that if something like this happens a lot there is a kit to fix it. If it doesn't there are used hoods. -- HONOR GOD SERVE PEOPLE DEVELOP EXCELLENCE GROW PROFITABLE FOLLOWING BIBLICAL PRINCIPLES Frank DeWitt | mailto:frank at lbpinc.com Mechanical Design | Phone: 585 624 3052 LBP INC. | Fax 585 624 1038 2365 Cox Rd. | Bloomfield NY 14469 |Web http://www.lbpinc.com/ From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 9 17:51:50 2012 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 17:51:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] gluing plastic OT In-Reply-To: <2C2E94B5-18D7-4250-9F28-E8C434F15B7F@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <1331344310.44542.YahooMailClassic@web111710.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> PC-7 is a two part epoxy with fiberglass. I have used it on many types of plastic. I had a 750 Honda that came with shattered side covers. I taped them together on the face then smeared the back side with PC-7 and when I took the tape off I installed the covers and nobody ever knew they were damaged. Five years later I traded that bike off and the covers still looked great. Alan in Michigan --- On Fri, 3/9/12, Rob Skinner wrote: From: Rob Skinner Subject: Re: [SEL] gluing plastic OT To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Friday, March 9, 2012, 12:56 PM On Mar 9, 2012, at 9:12 AM, Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > I own a John Deere lawnmower with a plastic hood.? I have developed a? > crack in the hood near where it latches on each side of the mower.? At this? > same location the upper and lower halves of the hood are bolted together and > the? nut area has broken out a piece of the plastic.? > > Any suggestions for a good thin "crazy" type glue.? I need something? thin > that will go into the crack.???At one time I worked for Eastman? Kodak, and > the Eastman 910 glue was great stuff.? Back in the olden days, we frequently had problems with broken fenders on motorcycles and other off road vehicles. I never found an adhesive that was suitable, as the plastics used were made so that nothing stuck to them. Kelley once brought home a plastic welder, but the results were not that good, either. If the ?Hillbilly Look? is ok, you might make a piece of sheet metal to fit, then use a lot of small bolts to attach it to the plastic. A new hood will surely be expensive. Rob _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From curt at rustyiron.com Fri Mar 9 18:11:59 2012 From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 18:11:59 -0800 Subject: [SEL] gluing plastic OT In-Reply-To: <1331344310.44542.YahooMailClassic@web111710.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1331344310.44542.YahooMailClassic@web111710.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Tom, Do you have a thought on the material the hood is made of? Some of these are made in polycarbonate, since it's quite stable at higher temps. There are indeed specific glues for polycarbonate and I think glues for Lexan fall in this category. I'd focus first on identifying the material your hood is made of, then seek the appropriate adhesive. Curt Holland Bessemer City, NC > PC-7 is a two part epoxy with fiberglass. > I have used it on many types of plastic. > I had a 750 Honda that came with shattered side covers. > I taped them together on the face then smeared the back side with PC-7 and > when I took the tape off I installed the covers and nobody ever knew they > were damaged. > Five years later I traded that bike off and the covers still looked great. > > Alan in Michigan > > --- On Fri, 3/9/12, Rob Skinner wrote: > > > From: Rob Skinner > Subject: Re: [SEL] gluing plastic OT > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Date: Friday, March 9, 2012, 12:56 PM > > > > On Mar 9, 2012, at 9:12 AM, Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > >> I own a John Deere lawnmower with a plastic hood.?? I have developed a?? >> crack in the hood near where it latches on each side of the mower.?? At >> this?? >> same location the upper and lower halves of the hood are bolted together >> and >> the?? nut area has broken out a piece of the plastic.?? >> >> Any suggestions for a good thin "crazy" type glue.?? I need something?? >> thin >> that will go into the crack.??????At one time I worked for Eastman?? >> Kodak, and >> the Eastman 910 glue was great stuff.?? > > Back in the olden days, we frequently had problems with broken fenders on > motorcycles and other off road vehicles. I never found an adhesive that > was suitable, as the plastics used were made so that nothing stuck to > them. Kelley once brought home a plastic welder, but the results were not > that good, either. > > If the ???Hillbilly Look??� is ok, you might make a piece of sheet metal > to fit, then use a lot of small bolts to attach it to the plastic. A new > hood will surely be expensive. > > Rob > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From enginepaul at gmail.com Fri Mar 9 18:19:25 2012 From: enginepaul at gmail.com (STRAIGHT from SanFran) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 18:19:25 -0800 Subject: [SEL] gluing plastic OT In-Reply-To: <1331344310.44542.YahooMailClassic@web111710.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <2C2E94B5-18D7-4250-9F28-E8C434F15B7F@rustyiron.com> <1331344310.44542.YahooMailClassic@web111710.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: >From Wikipedia: "When added to baking soda (sodium bicarbonate), cyanoacrylate glue (Crazy Glue) forms a hard, lightweight filler/adhesive (baking soda is first used to fill a gap then the adhesive is dropped onto the baking soda). This works well with porous materials that the glue does not work well with alone. This method is sometimes used by aircraft modelers to assemble or repair polystyrene foam parts. It is also used to repair small nicks in the leading edge of composite propeller blades on light aircraft. Note that the reaction between cyanoacrylate and baking soda is very exothermic (heat-producing) and also produces noxious vapors. " There are also some safety warnings on Wiki, but this is one method that I have seen used. Google is our friend. Paul in California From rob at rustyiron.com Fri Mar 9 19:31:14 2012 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 19:31:14 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Lorenz Engine Movie Premier In-Reply-To: <6939F2DB21D94BB7BEEB9B48FD5AD2AC@marlin> References: <6939F2DB21D94BB7BEEB9B48FD5AD2AC@marlin> Message-ID: <918530DE-2D7F-476D-A583-098C1473479B@rustyiron.com> On Mar 3, 2012, at 8:20 AM, Rick I. wrote: > Thanks, Rob! I've got to say, that was a super job of movie production. > What video editting software did you use? Thanks, Rick. I use iMovie. It?s free, and it?s a very capable application. From Germoamer at aol.com Sat Mar 10 04:33:00 2012 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 07:33:00 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] gluing plastic OT Message-ID: <20bd8.290a021d.3c8ca3fc@aol.com> In a message dated 3/9/2012 9:20:56 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, curt at rustyiron.com writes: I'd focus first on identifying the material your hood is made of, then seek the appropriate adhesive ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------- Thanks for all the input fellas! I think I will contact JD and see if they will tell me type of plastic the hood is made out of, then go from there. PC-7 sounds mighty interesting and will look into it. I had also thought about drilling a hole at the end of the crack, just like we do on the old engines. Right now the entire hood is off the mower so not to damage any further. Thanks, Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at aol.com From Germoamer at aol.com Sat Mar 10 05:34:55 2012 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 08:34:55 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] gluing plastic OT Message-ID: <6c12.67adab6f.3c8cb27f@aol.com> In a message dated 3/10/2012 7:41:06 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, Germoamer at aol.com writes: Right now the entire hood is off the mower so not to damage any further ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------ Just did a Google search on John Deere hoods and the cracking is a very common problem and lots of folks searching for the right way to repair them. Seems like a fiberglass repair kit from auto parts may be the way to go. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at aol.com From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sat Mar 10 07:25:26 2012 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 07:25:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] gluing plastic OT In-Reply-To: <20bd8.290a021d.3c8ca3fc@aol.com> Message-ID: <1331393126.64071.YahooMailClassic@web111706.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> In the hardware stores around here there are bottles with all kinds of stuff glued to them with PC-7. With that hood off the mower it would be super easy to mix up some PC-7 and spread a layer on the underside.? It is stong stuff. Alan in Michigan --- On Sat, 3/10/12, Germoamer at aol.com wrote: From: Germoamer at aol.com Subject: Re: [SEL] gluing plastic OT To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Date: Saturday, March 10, 2012, 7:33 AM In a message dated 3/9/2012 9:20:56 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,? curt at rustyiron.com writes: I'd focus first on identifying the material your hood is made of,? then seek the appropriate adhesive ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------- Thanks for all the input fellas!? I think I will contact JD and see? if they will tell me type of plastic the hood is made out of, then go from? there. PC-7 sounds mighty interesting and will look into it.? I had? also thought about drilling a hole at the end of the crack, just like we do on? the old engines.? Right now the entire hood is off the mower so not to damage any? further.? Thanks,? Tom? Schmutz Concord, Va.? germoamer at aol.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ddotto at cableone.net Sat Mar 10 07:43:44 2012 From: ddotto at cableone.net (Dave Otto) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 08:43:44 -0700 Subject: [SEL] gluing plastic OT In-Reply-To: <6c12.67adab6f.3c8cb27f@aol.com> References: <6c12.67adab6f.3c8cb27f@aol.com> Message-ID: Hi Tom I found out just this week that there is a special repair kit for plastic automotive bumpers; it is available from that automotive body and paint suppliers. My coworker purchase one of these kits to repair the broken hood of a snowmobile. The kit is a two part material that comes in syringes with a special gun and mixing tube. It apparently has a working time of less than two minutes so one need to work quickly. The kit also has a roll of special reinforcing tape (probably some type of fiberglass); it is about 2" wide and looks like the stuff that you would use with drywall. So if you have a body and paint store near by you may want to check with them. Dave Dave Otto Boise, Idaho -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Germoamer at aol.com Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2012 6:35 AM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] gluing plastic OT In a message dated 3/10/2012 7:41:06 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, Germoamer at aol.com writes: Right now the entire hood is off the mower so not to damage any further ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------ Just did a Google search on John Deere hoods and the cracking is a very common problem and lots of folks searching for the right way to repair them. Seems like a fiberglass repair kit from auto parts may be the way to go. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at aol.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jerrye at databak.co.za Sat Mar 10 11:41:20 2012 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 21:41:20 +0200 Subject: [SEL] gluing plastic OT In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20120310194629.01f90d88@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> At 07:00 PM 10/03/12, you wrote: From: Germoamer at aol.com Subject: Re: [SEL] gluing plastic OT To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Date: Saturday, March 10, 2012, 7:33 AM In a message dated 3/9/2012 9:20:56 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,? curt at rustyiron.com writes: I'd focus first on identifying the material your hood is made of,? then seek the appropriate adhesive Thanks for all the input fellas!? I think I will contact JD and see? if they will tell me type of plastic the hood is made out of, then go from? there. PC-7 sounds mighty interesting and will look into it.? I had? also thought about drilling a hole at the end of the crack, just like we do on? the old engines.? Right now the entire hood is off the mower so not to damage any? further.? Thanks,? Tom? Schmutz Concord, Va.? germoamer at aol.com Hi Tom, I'm sorry to have got into this thread so late but I only get the SEL Digest version and that has just arrived. Plastics are my forte (been there since the early 70's). Here follows the long version answer :-) Curt is totally correct - step one is to identify the plastic used and then work from there. Forget about all the "miracle glues" on offer until you know what the plastic is. Firstly, you have to understand that there are certain popular plastics that just cannot be "glued" successfully. I'm not talking about "sticking" some gunk onto a piece of plastic - I mean creating a real and lasting bond. Others can be bonded and this is usually achieved by incorporating a solvent in the adhesive which will actually "melt" the original material to allow the compatible fillers to bond to the substrate - your PVC and ABS water pipes use this method. Some of those that cannot be "glued" are Polypropylene (PP), Polyethylene (PE) and of course Polytetraflouroethylene (PTFE or TEFLON). (PTFE can be bonded but only after a rather involved etching process). These are often used in applications where their "non-stick" properties are required. They are usually "Thermoplastics" (except PTFE) meaning (simply) that they can be reheated and reshaped as opposed to "Thermosets" which cure by chemical reaction and will not soften with the application of heat (but they may burn). The next thing to understand is that the manufacturing process is often the cause of the failure in the first place. For example, in injection moulding and blow moulding the molten plastic resin is forced into a mould cavity and then "force cooled" for speed of production. This results in what is referred to as "internal stresses" in the material. Imagine all those little molecules trying to "hold hands" comfortably but they are force cooled before they have had a chance to get comfortable so the molecular bonds are under stress. In cases where plastics are allowed to cool naturally after moulding there is a lot less "internal stress" because, in the natural cooling process the molecules actually have time to realign themselves to their neighbours (get comfortable). Have you ever experienced a domestic item like a bucket or basin which suddenly develops a crack for no apparent reason - that is a result of "stress relief" - it's had enough of the permanent stress and just lets go. In recent years it has been common practise to include "moulding marks" somewhere on the inside of the product. This is to help recyclers identify and sort the type of plastic used. Typically this will be a series of letters etc. actually incorporated in the mould and will include date of moulding, part number and other information. It will also include the type of plastic used usually in a diamond shape eg . PP (Polypropylene) PE (Polyethylene) PVC (Polyvinylchloride) ABS (Acrylonitrilebutadinestyrene) and so forth. If your moulding has this somewhere then you are already halfway to finding a solution by identifying the correct plastic. There should also be a "Recycle" logo. I would imagine that your bonnet is probably made from Polypropelene or Polyethylene - 2 of the cheapest and easiest plastics to mould from. If this is the case then forget about finding a suitable glue - there is NOT one. (Have you got duct tape :-)) As Rob mentioned, there is a welding gun available but unless you really know what you are doing then do not even try it. I have one and it works well if you know what it's all about but one of the main problems is finding a suitable plastic "welding rod" - it has to match the original material exactly - sometimes I have to cut slivers off the original material to use as a rod. The other problem is that in a moulded and force cooled product, as soon as you introduce heat you release more stress and the hole just gets bigger as the molecules "relax" even more. (Do not confuse this "heat welding" with "High frequency welding" as used on plasticised PVC - they are totally different processes). Motor vehicle bumpers today are usually plastic and cracks are repaired by welding. Plastic welding is very similar to gas welding (acetylene/oxygen) except that the heat is not a flame but rather a jet of very hot air which is used to melt the "welding rod" and the original surface together. It really is not very effective when welding injection moulded articles (like domestic buckets and basins) because of the stresses I've already mentioned. Apologies for the long answer but certain things cannot be explained in one paragraph. Feel free to contact me if I can be of more help. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: <[1]www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm> References 1. http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm From spiveylk at gru.net Sat Mar 10 11:42:40 2012 From: spiveylk at gru.net (Lesley K. Spivey) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 14:42:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 96, Issue 8 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4F5BAEB0.5050709@gru.net> Lexan is a brand name for polycarbonate, like Chlorox for chlorine bleach. As far as I know auto plastic bumpers, etc. are ABS plastic (acrylonitrile butadiene styrene). It's normally black. I'm fairly sure that there are specialty glues for each of them, solvent type. I believe ABS glue can be found in plumbing supply places. Les On 10-Mar-12 12:00 PM, sel-request at lists.stationary-engine.com wrote: > Send SEL mailing list submissions to > sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > sel-request at lists.stationary-engine.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > sel-owner at lists.stationary-engine.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of SEL digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. gluing plastic OT (Germoamer at aol.com) > 2. Re: gluing plastic OT (Arnie Fero) > 3. Re: gluing plastic OT (Rob Skinner) > 4. Re: gluing plastic OT (Steve W.) > 5. Re: unknown engine (Mark Shulaw) > 6. Re: gluing plastic OT (Mark Shulaw) > 7. Re: gluing plastic OT (Mark L Shattuck) > 8. Re: gluing plastic OT (John Neth) > 9. Re: gluing plastic OT (Germoamer at aol.com) > 10. Re: unknown engine (Germoamer at aol.com) > 11. Re: gluing plastic OT (Mark Shulaw) > 12. Re: gluing plastic OT (Frank DeWitt LBP) > 13. Re: gluing plastic OT (Alan) > 14. Re: gluing plastic OT (curt at rustyiron.com) > 15. Re: gluing plastic OT (STRAIGHT from SanFran) > 16. Re: Lorenz Engine Movie Premier (Rob Skinner) > 17. Re: gluing plastic OT (Germoamer at aol.com) > 18. Re: gluing plastic OT (Germoamer at aol.com) > 19. Re: gluing plastic OT (Alan) > 20. Re: gluing plastic OT (Dave Otto) > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jerrye at databak.co.za Sun Mar 11 11:30:45 2012 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 20:30:45 +0200 Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 96, Issue 9 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20120311195240.00c496b8@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> At 06:00 PM 11/03/12, you wrote: Message: 2 Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 14:42:40 -0500 From: "Lesley K. Spivey" Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 96, Issue 8 Lexan is a brand name for polycarbonate, like Chlorox for chlorine bleach. As far as I know auto plastic bumpers, etc. are ABS plastic (acrylonitrile butadiene styrene). It's normally black. I'm fairly sure that there are specialty glues for each of them, solvent type. I believe ABS glue can be found in plumbing supply places. Les Quite correct Les, Lexan is General Electric Plastics's registered Trade name for polycarbonate sheet (GE are now known as SABIC Innovative Plastics). There are a number of adhesives for polycarbonate usually incorporating a solvent which melts the Polycarb. I glue Polycarb very successfully for things like showcases with a straight solvent - Methylene Chloride. the 2 pieces of PC are placed in contact with each other (mating surfaces are important) and then the solvent is injected against the join with a syringe needle. Capillary action draws the solvent into the joint and the plastic melts together - the joint must not be moved for a while and the solvent is allowed to evaporate off leaving a beautiful clear bond of pure polycarbonate. There are various solvents which work. Acrylic (Plexiglas/Perspex)sheets are done the same way but with different solvents (I use Chloroform). Car bumpers do seem to be mostly made from ABS (but I've come across cheap aftermarket versions made from Polypropylene as well). ABS is very easy to glue also using solvents (Methyl Ethyl Ketone is one) but by far the easiest adhesive to obtain and use on ABS is the normal plumbing adhesive used on PVC piping - it works equally well on ABS. This contains a solvent to soften the plastic as well as certain compatible fillers. ABS (and PVC) are also very easy to paint as normal lacquer thinners etches into the surface allowing the paint to bond. (ABS is available in any colour you like - not just black.) P.S. If anyone on this list lives near Little Rock, Fort Smith or Springdale, Arkansas then pop in to a company there called Mr.Plastic and ask for Eugene Snyman. I had (and sold in 1986) a business in Johannesburg called Mr Plastic and we sold and fabricated engineering plastics. Eugene bought the business from me in 1986 and sold it a number of years later. He then moved to the USA and started again there - using the same logo and name. He will answer any plastic related question for you - see: <[1]http://mrplastic.us/about-mr-plastic.php> Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: <[2]www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm> References 1. http://mrplastic.us/about-mr-plastic.php 2. http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm From MaytagTwin at aol.com Mon Mar 12 19:20:07 2012 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 22:20:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] gluing plastic OT Message-ID: <2ccc.1b369b1a.3c9008d7@aol.com> Hi Tom, A glue that I would try is named "GOOP" and is available at most hardware stores. It comes in a single tube and a tube costs about $5.00. It takes about 24 hours to dry to full strength. I would suggest you tape the pieces to be glued together with masking or duct tape on the outside, then apply glue from the inside, bending the cracks open and use a matchstick or Q-tip to get glue into the crack, then run a bead on the inside with the hood sitting in the shape you want it to remain. Ron PS: It should be OK to take the tape off after a couple of days. From oilengine at embarqmail.com Tue Mar 13 10:39:14 2012 From: oilengine at embarqmail.com (Russell Farmer) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 13:39:14 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.F.E.S. Annual dinner meeting. Message-ID: <1331660354.2521.0.camel@ubuntu> Oil Field Engine Society O.F.E.S. Annual dinner meeting. Sat. April 7, 2012 4pm. Hearthstone restaurant in Metamora Indiana. Kyle Blankenship our presiding Honoree will be announcing the 2012 recipient of the OFES Rube Goldberg award. Also our Grand Master Richard Dingman will be making his address and announcing his successor in office. Please pass the news along and give us an e-mail or call so we will have an estimate of how many will be attending. I look forward to seeing everyone there. (Local swap-meet, same day at Brookville, IN. 9 am to 3 pm.) Phone 1-937-456-9387 E-Mail oilengine at embarqmail.com Yours Fraternally; Russell Farmer From oldiron62 at gmail.com Mon Mar 12 23:20:43 2012 From: oldiron62 at gmail.com (oldiron62 at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 01:20:43 -0500 Subject: [SEL] gluing plastic OT References: <17039.22b9ec1f.3c8bd031@aol.com> Message-ID: <4C23BFF6CAFC4AD4A9F917B3E48D67FE@kevin762f9510f> Get a tube of, 3M Windo-weld. It will fix anything and last forever. Dont matter what the hood is made of. I used it last on a tire sidewall that had a steel post through it. Good luck Kevin > > It is a John Deere-John Deere and I do not even want to think what a new > hood would cost. I have been thinking of some "crazy" type glue in the > crack area and then maybe some fiberglass cloth bonding with something(?) > on > the inside of the hood. The crack is only a few inches long at this > point. > > Tom From jlb94 at juno.com Fri Mar 16 07:16:30 2012 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 14:16:30 GMT Subject: [SEL] =?windows-1252?q?Spam=3E_OT_-_Ford_Engine_Lifter?= Message-ID: <20120316.101630.27458.4@webmail09.vgs.untd.com> Hi Guys, I have an "Off Topic" question - - - In my '72 Ford engine, there is a valve lifter that keeps trying to collapse. If I stop the engine and count to 10, the lifter seems to recover. Question ::: Is it possible to remove Ford lifters without taking off the head and/or intake manifold and shied ? I am thinking of trying to insert something down through the push rod hole in the head and grab the lifter and pull it out. - - - Possible ? Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ (_0_) "Properly trained, A man can be dog?s best friend." (Cory Ford) ____________________________________________________________ 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4f634b9369ee020ddbf7st03vuc From rdhaskell at juno.com Fri Mar 16 08:30:05 2012 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 08:30:05 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Ford Engine Lifter? Message-ID: <20120316.083035.1661.262800@mailpop04.vgs.untd.com> Ford made a lot of engines in 1972, not sure which one you have. But I am sure none of them will allow lifters to come out of a push rod hole in the head. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 14:16:30 GMT "jlb94 at juno.com" writes: > Hi Guys, > I have an "Off Topic" question - - - > In my '72 Ford engine, there is a valve lifter that keeps trying to > collapse. If I stop the engine and count to 10, the lifter seems to > recover. > Question ::: Is it possible to remove Ford lifters without taking > off the head and/or intake manifold and shied ? > I am thinking of trying to insert something down through the push > rod hole in the head and grab the lifter and pull it out. - - - > Possible ? > > > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz > ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > \/)"(\/ > (_0_) "Properly trained, A man can be dog?s best friend." (Cory > Ford) ____________________________________________________________ Groupon™ Official Site 1 ridiculously huge coupon a day. Get 50-90% off your city's best! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4f635cc9c745f20e7a36st04vuc From swilliams268 at frontier.com Fri Mar 16 08:38:29 2012 From: swilliams268 at frontier.com (Steve W.) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 11:38:29 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Spam> OT - Ford Engine Lifter In-Reply-To: <20120316.101630.27458.4@webmail09.vgs.untd.com> References: <20120316.101630.27458.4@webmail09.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <4F635E75.5040402@frontier.com> jlb94 at juno.com wrote: > Hi Guys, > I have an "Off Topic" question - - - > In my '72 Ford engine, there is a valve lifter that keeps trying to collapse. If I stop the engine and count to 10, the lifter seems to recover. > Question ::: Is it possible to remove Ford lifters without taking off the head and/or intake manifold and shied ? > I am thinking of trying to insert something down through the push rod hole in the head and grab the lifter and pull it out. - - - Possible ? > > > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz > ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > \/)"(\/ > (_0_) "Properly trained, A man can be dog?s best friend." (Cory Ford) > Have you tried flushing the engine out with some cleaner? I use a mix of ATF and engine oil. 3 oil/2 ATF Start engine on regular oil. Drain oil while warm/hot. Put in mix, start engine and let it run a bit. Shut it off.and let it set 10-20 minutes. Restart and let it run 5 minutes or so. gently run the rpms up/down so the oil pressure can clean out the engine. Drain it out hot. Change the filter and put in clean oil. See what the lifter does now. Lifter problems are usually dirt/crud in the valving on them. Not possible to pull them without pulling the intake at least. -- Steve W. From enginepaul at gmail.com Fri Mar 16 09:30:07 2012 From: enginepaul at gmail.com (STRAIGHT from SanFran) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 09:30:07 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Spam> OT - Ford Engine Lifter In-Reply-To: <4F635E75.5040402@frontier.com> References: <20120316.101630.27458.4@webmail09.vgs.untd.com> <4F635E75.5040402@frontier.com> Message-ID: Not real help - just an opinion. I don't like the ATF deal although I have heard it is OK; I think it is too thin and solvent-like so it may knock out or loosen too much gunk. Hunks of sludge floating around may add to the problem. I used to use Casite in the oil but haven't needed it for a while, but it is still available. I don't recall which American manufacturer, but one said to run 5W oil for a while (standing still) and that will flush an engine. The lifter hole that is causing the problem (I'm guessing the hole) is small and that might bear on the method that you chose. Also: Google your engine (I'm guessing small block Ford) and the word "clubs" or "list" and you may find Ford people who are similar to the SEL people who had the same problem or would have good suggestions. Let us know what the final results are. Paul PS: Partial engine dis-assembly would be necessary and it may be a god time for a valve job. A manual would be of much help. On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 8:38 AM, Steve W. wrote: > jlb94 at juno.com wrote: >> Hi Guys, >> I have an "Off Topic" question - - - >> In my '72 Ford engine, there is a valve lifter that keeps trying to collapse. ?If I stop the engine and count to 10, the lifter seems to recover. >> Question ::: ? Is it possible to remove Ford lifters without taking off the head and/or intake manifold and shied ? >> I am thinking of trying to insert something down through the push rod hole in the head and grab the lifter and pull it out. ? - - - Possible ? >> >> >> >> Joe "Pip" Betz said that. >> jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz >> ?,-._,-. ? ? ?http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz >> ?\/)"(\/ >> ?(_0_) ? ?"Properly trained, ?A man can be dog?s best friend." (Cory Ford) >> > > Have you tried flushing the engine out with some cleaner? I use a mix of > ATF and engine oil. 3 oil/2 ATF Start engine on regular oil. Drain oil > while warm/hot. Put in mix, start engine and let it run a bit. Shut it > off.and let it set 10-20 minutes. Restart and let it run 5 minutes or > so. gently run the rpms up/down so the oil pressure can clean out the > engine. Drain it out hot. Change the filter and put in clean oil. See > what the lifter does now. Lifter problems are usually dirt/crud in the > valving on them. > > Not possible to pull them without pulling the intake at least. > > -- > Steve W. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From krit33 at comcast.net Fri Mar 16 09:49:00 2012 From: krit33 at comcast.net (krit33 at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 16:49:00 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [SEL] Spam> OT - Ford Engine Lifter In-Reply-To: <4F635E75.5040402@frontier.com> Message-ID: <1425166040.134892.1331916540315.JavaMail.root@sz0088a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> No matter what you'll have to take the intake manifold off. With the intake removed you should be able to see and get to the lifter. Of course you will have to take that rocker off and remove the push rod also.---- Original Message ----- From: Steve W. <swilliams268 at frontier.com> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Sent: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 15:38:29 -0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [SEL] Spam> OT - Ford Engine Lifter jlb94 at juno.com wrote: > Hi Guys, > I have an "Off Topic" question - - - > In my '72 Ford engine, there is a valve lifter that keeps trying to collapse. If I stop the engine and count to 10, the lifter seems to recover. > Question ::: Is it possible to remove Ford lifters without taking off the head and/or intake manifold and shied ? > I am thinking of trying to insert something down through the push rod hole in the head and grab the lifter and pull it out. - - - Possible ? > > > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz > ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > \/)"(\/ > (_0_) "Properly trained, A man can be dog?s best friend." (Cory Ford) > Have you tried flushing the engine out with some cleaner? I use a mix of ATF and engine oil. 3 oil/2 ATF Start engine on regular oil. Drain oil while warm/hot. Put in mix, start engine and let it run a bit. Shut it off.and let it set 10-20 minutes. Restart and let it run 5 minutes or so. gently run the rpms up/down so the oil pressure can clean out the engine. Drain it out hot. Change the filter and put in clean oil. See what the lifter does now. Lifter problems are usually dirt/crud in the valving on them. Not possible to pull them without pulling the intake at least. -- Steve W. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From skipcleveland at cfl.rr.com Fri Mar 16 10:02:18 2012 From: skipcleveland at cfl.rr.com (SKIP CLEVELAND) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 13:02:18 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Spam> OT - Ford Engine Lifter References: <20120316.101630.27458.4@webmail09.vgs.untd.com><4F635E75.5040402@frontier.com> Message-ID: <21F5887A83FF46A4BF5C9582B44F0555@YOURDA6F5028CB> I used Marvel mysetry oil in a Ford truck that the help hadn't ever changed the oil, the lifters were clattering badly. It cleared out the passages and holes quickly, dumped all the sluge in the crank case, plugged up the oil pump screen (now submerged in sluge) and the engine promptly unraveled! Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: "STRAIGHT from SanFran" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 12:30 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Spam> OT - Ford Engine Lifter Not real help - just an opinion. I don't like the ATF deal although I have heard it is OK; I think it is too thin and solvent-like so it may knock out or loosen too much gunk. Hunks of sludge floating around may add to the problem. I used to use Casite in the oil but haven't needed it for a while, but it is still available. I don't recall which American manufacturer, but one said to run 5W oil for a while (standing still) and that will flush an engine. The lifter hole that is causing the problem (I'm guessing the hole) is small and that might bear on the method that you chose. Also: Google your engine (I'm guessing small block Ford) and the word "clubs" or "list" and you may find Ford people who are similar to the SEL people who had the same problem or would have good suggestions. Let us know what the final results are. Paul PS: Partial engine dis-assembly would be necessary and it may be a god time for a valve job. A manual would be of much help. On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 8:38 AM, Steve W. wrote: > jlb94 at juno.com wrote: >> Hi Guys, >> I have an "Off Topic" question - - - >> In my '72 Ford engine, there is a valve lifter that keeps trying to collapse. If I stop the engine and count to 10, the lifter >> seems to recover. >> Question ::: Is it possible to remove Ford lifters without taking off the head and/or intake manifold and shied ? >> I am thinking of trying to insert something down through the push rod hole in the head and grab the lifter and pull it out. - - - >> Possible ? >> >> >> >> Joe "Pip" Betz said that. >> jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz >> ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz >> \/)"(\/ >> (_0_) "Properly trained, A man can be dog?s best friend." (Cory Ford) >> > > Have you tried flushing the engine out with some cleaner? I use a mix of > ATF and engine oil. 3 oil/2 ATF Start engine on regular oil. Drain oil > while warm/hot. Put in mix, start engine and let it run a bit. Shut it > off.and let it set 10-20 minutes. Restart and let it run 5 minutes or > so. gently run the rpms up/down so the oil pressure can clean out the > engine. Drain it out hot. Change the filter and put in clean oil. See > what the lifter does now. Lifter problems are usually dirt/crud in the > valving on them. > > Not possible to pull them without pulling the intake at least. > > -- > Steve W. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jbcast at charter.net Fri Mar 16 10:31:59 2012 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 13:31:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Spam> OT - Ford Engine Lifter Message-ID: <4974858e.44ceee.1361c90e446.Webtop.46@charter.net> I've changed lifters on Chevy's without pulling the manifold, biggest problem is getting the lifter out of the hole, you have to use a small magnet and keep working it up and down with carb cleaner sprayed around it. Once removed it can be fished out of the distributor hole. Run a piece of tie wire down the pushrod hole and out of the distributor hole, tie the lifter to it by making several wraps around it and bend the wire to have it coming up like the pushrod. Feed it back in to the hole and work it in to place. A little side marker bulb soldered to wires and run under the manifold provides light to get a glimpse of whats going on. Before doing this be sure you have good oil pressure, install a manual gauge if necessary. It's common on Fords for the oil pump screen to become clogged, starving the engine for oil. Stooping lets the trash settle and gain pressure for a few minutes. J.B. Castagnos On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 9:16 AM, jlb94 at juno.com wrote: > Hi Guys, > I have an "Off Topic" question - - - In my '72 Ford engine, there is a > valve lifter that keeps trying to collapse. If I stop the engine and > count to 10, the lifter seems to recover. Question ::: Is it > possible to remove Ford lifters without taking off the head and/or > intake manifold and shied ? > I am thinking of trying to insert something down through the push rod > hole in the head and grab the lifter and pull it out. - - - Possible > ? > > > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - > www.oldengine.org/members/betz > ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > \/)"(\/ (_0_) "Properly trained, A man can be dog?s > best friend." (Cory Ford) > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 > The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4f634b9369ee020ddbf7st03vuc > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Mar 16 11:38:16 2012 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 14:38:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Spam> OT - Ford Engine Lifter In-Reply-To: <4974858e.44ceee.1361c90e446.Webtop.46@charter.net> References: <4974858e.44ceee.1361c90e446.Webtop.46@charter.net> Message-ID: JB, you are amazing.... On Fri, March 16, 2012 1:31 pm, jbcast at charter.net wrote: > I've changed lifters on Chevy's without pulling the manifold, biggest > problem is getting the lifter out of the hole, you have to use a small > magnet and keep working it up and down with carb cleaner sprayed around > it. Once removed it can be fished out of the distributor hole. Run a > piece of tie wire down the pushrod hole and out of the distributor hole, > tie the lifter to it by making several wraps around it and bend the wire > to have it coming up like the pushrod. Feed it back in to the hole and > work it in to place. A little side marker bulb soldered to wires and run > under the manifold provides light to get a glimpse of whats going on. > Before doing this be sure you have good oil pressure, install a manual > gauge if necessary. It's common on Fords for the oil pump screen to > become clogged, starving the engine for oil. Stooping lets the trash > settle and gain pressure for a few minutes. > J.B. Castagnos From enginepaul at gmail.com Fri Mar 16 12:00:03 2012 From: enginepaul at gmail.com (STRAIGHT from SanFran) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 12:00:03 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Spam> OT - Ford Engine Lifter In-Reply-To: <6bfd7d539a2e225e1b2acaeba8bf6941.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com> References: <20120316.101630.27458.4@webmail09.vgs.untd.com> <4F635E75.5040402@frontier.com> <6bfd7d539a2e225e1b2acaeba8bf6941.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com> Message-ID: Arnie: No, I don't think so - but I now know that spell-check doesn't check capitalization. And I would have capitalized. Paul - Good God - some people actually read! On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 9:50 AM, Arnie Fero wrote: > God does valve jobs? ?Cool... ?I may need to re-think the whole athiest > thing. ?8-)) > > On Fri, March 16, 2012 12:30 pm, STRAIGHT from SanFran wrote: >> >> PS: Partial engine dis-assembly would be necessary and it may be a god >> time for a valve job. A manual would be of much help. > > > From rob at rustyiron.com Fri Mar 16 12:32:04 2012 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 12:32:04 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Spam> OT - Ford Engine Lifter In-Reply-To: References: <4974858e.44ceee.1361c90e446.Webtop.46@charter.net> Message-ID: I concur. The explanation sounds similar to performing heart surgery using a catheter through the femoral artery. Rob On Mar 16, 2012, at 11:38 AM, Arnie Fero wrote: > JB, you are amazing?. > On Fri, March 16, 2012 1:31 pm, jbcast at charter.net wrote: >> I've changed lifters on Chevy's without pulling the manifold, biggest >> problem is getting the lifter out of the hole, you have to use a small >> magnet and keep working it up and down with carb cleaner sprayed around >> it. Once removed it can be fished out of the distributor hole. Run a >> piece of tie wire down the pushrod hole and out of the distributor hole, From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Mar 16 12:50:33 2012 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 15:50:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Spam> OT - Ford Engine Lifter In-Reply-To: References: <4974858e.44ceee.1361c90e446.Webtop.46@charter.net> Message-ID: <65f238d54af44ca7678cbe71b88be31f.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com> Or this old wheeze... A gynecologist had become fed up with malpractice insurance and was on the verge of being burned out. Hoping to try another career where skillful hands would be beneficial, he decided to change careers and become a mechanic. He found out from the local technical college what was involved, signed up for evening classes, attended diligently, and learned all he could. When the time for the practical exam approached, the gynecologist prepared carefully for weeks, and completed the exam with tremendous skill. When the results came back, he was surprised to find that he had obtained a score of 150%. Fearing an error, he called the instructor, saying "I don't want to appear ungrateful for such an outstanding result, but I wondered if there had been an error which needed adjusting." The instructor said, "During the exam, you took the engine apart perfectly, which was worth 50% of the total mark. You put the engine back together again perfectly, which is also worth 50% of the mark. The instructor went on to say, "I gave you an extra 50% because you did all of it through the muffler." Arnie On Fri, March 16, 2012 3:32 pm, Rob Skinner wrote: > I concur. The explanation sounds similar to performing heart surgery using > a catheter through the femoral artery. > > Rob > > > On Mar 16, 2012, at 11:38 AM, Arnie Fero wrote: >> JB, you are amazing . From oldengin1 at gmail.com Fri Mar 16 12:55:43 2012 From: oldengin1 at gmail.com (Leroy Clark) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 15:55:43 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Spam> OT - Ford Engine Lifter In-Reply-To: References: <4974858e.44ceee.1361c90e446.Webtop.46@charter.net> Message-ID: Rob you scare me.... On Mar 16, 2012 3:42 PM, "Rob Skinner" wrote: I concur. The explanation sounds similar to performing heart surgery using a catheter through the femoral artery. Rob On Mar 16, 2012, at 11:38 AM, Arnie Fero wrote: > JB, you are amazing?. > On Fri, March 16, 2012 1:31 pm, jbcast at charter.net wrote: >> I've changed lifters on Chevy's wit... _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com htt... From jlb94 at juno.com Fri Mar 16 13:11:59 2012 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 20:11:59 GMT Subject: [SEL] OT - Lifter Question Message-ID: <20120316.161159.13951.0@webmail04.vgs.untd.com> Thanks to everyone that responded to my "taking a lifter out of my engine" OT question. There sure is a wealth of information with the SEL members. It was something I might be willing to try if it was possible. I never gave it a thought about the pushrod holes in the head being smaller than the lifter diameter, even IF you could get it out of the lifter hole. I know the engine could use a good flushing. I might think of using 5W oil and give that a try. In the last few years I stopped changing the oil. It leaks so much oil that I usually just add oil when needed and change the filter every six months. I'll have to dig out the old Ford Shop Manuals and see what the pictures tell me. Oh Yes, - - - The engine is a 360 ci.. Back in 1984, I did something with the top of the engine and had to take off the intake. Well, if I was that far, I might as well take out the tin and see what's under there. And - Now that I'm this far,I might as well take off this - or - that and, being this far, I might as well pull the pan and look at the bearings. And, being this far, etc. etc. etc. - - - The end result was an engine rebuild. I REALLY DO NOT want to get into that again on a 40 year old truck - - - But - - - I really DO LOVE THAT TRUCK !!! Thanks again to everyone that responded. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ (_0_) "Properly trained, A man can be dog?s best friend." (Cory Ford) ____________________________________________________________ 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4f639ea597ccd243990fst02vuc From rob at rustyiron.com Fri Mar 16 15:09:52 2012 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 15:09:52 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Spam> OT - Ford Engine Lifter In-Reply-To: <65f238d54af44ca7678cbe71b88be31f.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com> References: <4974858e.44ceee.1361c90e446.Webtop.46@charter.net> <65f238d54af44ca7678cbe71b88be31f.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com> Message-ID: <6CC2C87F-0B3D-43E0-8B57-7714DA48D173@rustyiron.com> On Mar 16, 2012, at 12:50 PM, Arnie Fero wrote: > > A gynecologist had become fed up with malpractice insurance > and was on the verge of being burned out. Hoping to try > another career where skillful hands would be beneficial, he > decided to change careers and become a mechanic. I hear that on Tuesdays, JB will throw in a free gynecological exam with every oil change. From christison at coastalnet.com Fri Mar 16 17:19:17 2012 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 20:19:17 -0400 Subject: [SEL] off topic: Crawford Stirling in UK Message-ID: <4F63D885.5080806@coastalnet.com> I just had a fellow contact me who is trying to contact Crawford Sterling of the UK. He has a collection of mills, two of which I have pictured on one of my websites. The website he had that featured his collection is no longer available. Do any of our engine friends across the water have any information on this gentleman, particularly an email address? Thank you. Ken From rotigel at me.com Fri Mar 16 17:43:19 2012 From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 20:43:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Spam> OT - Ford Engine Lifter In-Reply-To: <6CC2C87F-0B3D-43E0-8B57-7714DA48D173@rustyiron.com> References: <4974858e.44ceee.1361c90e446.Webtop.46@charter.net> <65f238d54af44ca7678cbe71b88be31f.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com> <6CC2C87F-0B3D-43E0-8B57-7714DA48D173@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <23E5B36F-589F-4343-BE91-B0F97B97CBC5@me.com> True, but LOOK OUT for Thursday night! Dave On Mar 16, 2012, at 6:09 PM, Rob Skinner wrote: > > I hear that on Tuesdays, JB will throw in a free gynecological exam with every oil change. > > > From jbcast at charter.net Fri Mar 16 19:31:15 2012 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 22:31:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] OT - Lifter Question Message-ID: <1cd6347d.ddf51.1361e7e9b17.Webtop.43@charter.net> Joe, take the cover off and look, these engines had rocker shafts, I beleive there's plenty of room to remove the lifters. J.B. On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 3:11 PM, jlb94 at juno.com wrote: > Thanks to everyone that responded to my "taking a lifter out of my > engine" OT question. > There sure is a wealth of information with the SEL members. > It was something I might be willing to try if it was possible. I > never gave it a thought about the pushrod holes in the head being > smaller than the lifter diameter, even IF you could get it out of the > lifter hole. > I know the engine could use a good flushing. I might think of using > 5W oil and give that a try. > In the last few years I stopped changing the oil. It leaks so much > oil that I usually just add oil when needed and change the filter > every six months. > I'll have to dig out the old Ford Shop Manuals and see what the > pictures tell me. > Oh Yes, - - - The engine is a 360 ci.. Back in 1984, I did something > with the top of the engine and had to take off the intake. Well, if I > was that far, I might as well take out the tin and see what's under > there. And - Now that I'm this far,I might as well take off this - or > - that and, being this far, I might as well pull the pan and look at > the bearings. And, being this far, etc. etc. etc. - - - The end > result was an engine rebuild. > I REALLY DO NOT want to get into that again on a 40 year old truck - - > - But - - - I really DO LOVE THAT TRUCK !!! > Thanks again to everyone that responded. > > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - > www.oldengine.org/members/betz > ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > \/)"(\/ (_0_) "Properly trained, A man can be dog?s > best friend." (Cory Ford) > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 > The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4f639ea597ccd243990fst02vuc > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jlb94 at juno.com Fri Mar 16 21:06:21 2012 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 04:06:21 GMT Subject: [SEL] OT - Lifter Question Message-ID: <20120317.000621.14956.1@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> Thanks JB, This is not something I'm going to do right away unless the problem gets worse. I have plenty of other stuff going on right now. Thanks - will look and see. I will let you know when I take a look. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ (_0_) "Properly trained, A man can be dog?s best friend." (Cory Ford) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: jbcast at charter.net To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - Lifter Question Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 22:31:15 -0400 (EDT) Joe, take the cover off and look, these engines had rocker shafts, I beleive there's plenty of room to remove the lifters. J.B. On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 3:11 PM, jlb94 at juno.com wrote: > Thanks to everyone that responded to my "taking a lifter out of my > engine" OT question. > There sure is a wealth of information with the SEL members. > It was something I might be willing to try if it was possible. I > never gave it a thought about the pushrod holes in the head being > smaller than the lifter diameter, even IF you could get it out of the > lifter hole. > I know the engine could use a good flushing. I might think of using > 5W oil and give that a try. > In the last few years I stopped changing the oil. It leaks so much > oil that I usually just add oil when needed and change the filter > every six months. > I'll have to dig out the old Ford Shop Manuals and see what the > pictures tell me. > Oh Yes, - - - The engine is a 360 ci.. Back in 1984, I did something > with the top of the engine and had to take off the intake. Well, if I > was that far, I might as well take out the tin and see what's under > there. And - Now that I'm this far,I might as well take off this - or > - that and, being this far, I might as well pull the pan and look at > the bearings. And, being this far, etc. etc. etc. - - - The end > result was an engine rebuild. > I REALLY DO NOT want to get into that again on a 40 year old truck - - > - But - - - I really DO LOVE THAT TRUCK !!! > Thanks again to everyone that responded. > > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - > www.oldengine.org/members/betz > ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > \/)"(\/ (_0_) "Properly trained, A man can be dog???s > best friend." (Cory Ford) > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 > The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4f639ea597ccd243990fst02vuc > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rustyiron1 at bigpond.com Fri Mar 16 21:13:25 2012 From: rustyiron1 at bigpond.com (Andy Nicholson) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 14:13:25 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Spam> OT - Ford Engine Lifter References: <20120316.101630.27458.4@webmail09.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <9C17DC2E262E4C878870BD562C9B04C4@owner916e4fa44> Hello Joe, The Ford engines here in Australia, the lifters can't be removed with out taking off the head on 6 cyl's or valley cover on the V8's. There are oil additives that could help, but are only a temp measure, ie like if you'er selling the vehicle. Andy........ ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 12:16 AM Subject: [SEL] Spam> OT - Ford Engine Lifter Hi Guys, I have an "Off Topic" question - - - In my '72 Ford engine, there is a valve lifter that keeps trying to collapse. If I stop the engine and count to 10, the lifter seems to recover. Question ::: Is it possible to remove Ford lifters without taking off the head and/or intake manifold and shied ? I am thinking of trying to insert something down through the push rod hole in the head and grab the lifter and pull it out. - - - Possible ? Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ (_0_) "Properly trained, A man can be dog?s best friend." (Cory Ford) ____________________________________________________________ 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4f634b9369ee020ddbf7st03vuc _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From sluggo54 at hotmail.com Sat Mar 17 14:15:35 2012 From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (=?utf-8?B?c2x1Z2dvNTRAaG90bWFpbC5jb20=?=) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 16:15:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] =?utf-8?q?OT_Ford_lifter?= Message-ID: I remember my dad pulling lifters out of his 332 1959 Ford. I don't remember for sure what had to come off, but I think it was just the valve covers and rocker shafts. He made s tool by carefully putting three bends in a hacksaw blade, forming a tweezer with splayed-out feet on the business end. He squeezed it together, inserted the frog feet into the top of the lifter, and pulled it out. On a couple he had to wedge something down the tweezer to maintain grip. Meantime, I made labeled containers to hold them so they would go back where they came from. We boiled them to soften the varnish so they could be disassembled, then used denatured alcohol to remove the varnish. Assemble, drop in a cup of oil for a few minutes, then back into the engine they went. Ever after he used Royal Triton oil, and had no problems. His next car was a Buick. Bruce Younger Testing Hornady's new Zombie ammunition. From maytagtwin at aol.com Sat Mar 17 18:59:14 2012 From: maytagtwin at aol.com (maytagtwin at aol.com) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 21:59:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] OT Ford lifter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CED2C1DA76F056-848-9C66@Webmail-d113.sysops.aol.com> Hi Bruce, I didn't think anyone but me remembered Royal Triton oil. The Hudson dealer in Leavenworth recommended it and I used it in my Hudson Hornets for years. I had to replace a crankcase oil pan once after running over an african american head size rock. The replacement pan came from a junk yard donor and I steam cleaned it to get it clean of years of crud. The damaged pan was clean inside as it came off the engine. There was no sludge buildup with the Royal Triton. Ron PS: I haven't seen any in years. It was a product of the Union Oil Company of California. -----Original Message----- From: sluggo54 To: sel Sent: Sat, Mar 17, 2012 4:21 pm Subject: [SEL] OT Ford lifter I remember my dad pulling lifters out of his 332 1959 Ford. I don't remember or sure what had to come off, but I think it was just the valve covers and ocker shafts. He made s tool by carefully putting three bends in a hacksaw lade, forming a tweezer with splayed-out feet on the business end. He squeezed t together, inserted the frog feet into the top of the lifter, and pulled it ut. On a couple he had to wedge something down the tweezer to maintain grip. eantime, I made labeled containers to hold them so they would go back where hey came from. We boiled them to soften the varnish so they could be isassembled, then used denatured alcohol to remove the varnish. Assemble, drop n a cup of oil for a few minutes, then back into the engine they went. ver after he used Royal Triton oil, and had no problems. is next car was a Buick. Bruce Younger esting Hornady's new Zombie ammunition. ______________________________________________ EL mailing list EL at lists.stationary-engine.com ttp://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Sun Mar 18 02:03:53 2012 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2012 20:03:53 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Canberra Rally 2012 Message-ID: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/can12/index.htm From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sun Mar 18 07:23:12 2012 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2012 08:23:12 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT Ford lifter In-Reply-To: <8CED2C1DA76F056-848-9C66@Webmail-d113.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CED2C1DA76F056-848-9C66@Webmail-d113.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I did Union 76 for a couple years. We called it grape juice under our breath. Super high detergent it wouldn't stay in a tired engine, but was good on fresh ones. I don't know if it's still around or not. RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 7:59 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Ford lifter > > Hi Bruce, > I didn't think anyone but me remembered Royal Triton oil. The Hudson > dealer in Leavenworth recommended it and I used it in my Hudson Hornets > for years. I had to replace a crankcase oil pan once after running over > an african american head size rock. The replacement pan came from a junk > yard donor and I steam cleaned it to get it clean of years of crud. The > damaged pan was clean inside as it came off the engine. There was no > sludge buildup with the Royal Triton. > > Ron > PS: I haven't seen any in years. It was a product of the Union Oil > Company of California. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sluggo54 > To: sel > Sent: Sat, Mar 17, 2012 4:21 pm > Subject: [SEL] OT Ford lifter > > > I remember my dad pulling lifters out of his 332 1959 Ford. I don't > remember > or sure what had to come off, but I think it was just the valve covers and > ocker shafts. He made s tool by carefully putting three bends in a > hacksaw > lade, forming a tweezer with splayed-out feet on the business end. He > squeezed > t together, inserted the frog feet into the top of the lifter, and pulled > it > ut. On a couple he had to wedge something down the tweezer to maintain > grip. > eantime, I made labeled containers to hold them so they would go back > where > hey came from. We boiled them to soften the varnish so they could be > isassembled, then used denatured alcohol to remove the varnish. Assemble, > drop > n a cup of oil for a few minutes, then back into the engine they went. > ver after he used Royal Triton oil, and had no problems. > is next car was a Buick. > Bruce Younger > esting Hornady's new Zombie ammunition. > ______________________________________________ > EL mailing list > EL at lists.stationary-engine.com > ttp://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rob at rustyiron.com Sun Mar 18 08:42:00 2012 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2012 08:42:00 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Canberra Rally 2012 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mar 18, 2012, at 2:03 AM, Patrick Livingstone wrote: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/can12/index.htm > Looks like it was a pretty day to be playing with some nice engines, Patrick. From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Mar 18 09:08:49 2012 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2012 12:08:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Canberra Rally 2012 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4ec7bf653a14d637f8edf06853c8dd34.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com> G'day Patrick, Man, that Dalgety is one neat looking engine. Never saw one of those before. http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/can12/pages/can2012rally%20104_jpg.htm See ya, Arnie On Sun, March 18, 2012 5:03 am, Patrick Livingstone wrote: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/can12/index.htm > > > > To UN-subscribe, send a message to: > > stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org > with: > unsubscribe > in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. > From rob at rustyiron.com Sun Mar 18 09:13:04 2012 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2012 09:13:04 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Canberra Rally 2012 In-Reply-To: <4ec7bf653a14d637f8edf06853c8dd34.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com> References: <4ec7bf653a14d637f8edf06853c8dd34.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com> Message-ID: <0C1AD739-894C-413B-9A0D-4A9B85F40540@rustyiron.com> On Mar 18, 2012, at 9:08 AM, Arnie Fero wrote: > G'day Patrick, > > Man, that Dalgety is one neat looking engine. > Never saw one of those before. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/can12/pages/can2012rally%20104_jpg.htm Tangye. From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Mar 18 09:31:32 2012 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2012 12:31:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Canberra Rally 2012 In-Reply-To: <0C1AD739-894C-413B-9A0D-4A9B85F40540@rustyiron.com> References: <4ec7bf653a14d637f8edf06853c8dd34.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com> <0C1AD739-894C-413B-9A0D-4A9B85F40540@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: Ahhh, then Dalgety must be the Oz importer? Thanks Rob! Still a neat looking engine. On Sun, March 18, 2012 12:13 pm, Rob Skinner wrote: > > On Mar 18, 2012, at 9:08 AM, Arnie Fero wrote: >> Man, that Dalgety is one neat looking engine. >> Never saw one of those before. >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/can12/pages/can2012rally%20104_jpg.htm > > Tangye. > From rob at rustyiron.com Sun Mar 18 09:35:33 2012 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2012 09:35:33 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Canberra Rally 2012 In-Reply-To: References: <4ec7bf653a14d637f8edf06853c8dd34.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com> <0C1AD739-894C-413B-9A0D-4A9B85F40540@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <3B12A579-863A-4DCF-9920-EDC0EA8C8A68@rustyiron.com> On Mar 18, 2012, at 9:31 AM, Arnie Fero wrote: > Ahhh, then Dalgety must be the Oz importer? Thanks Rob! > Still a neat looking engine. Yeah. I wouldn?t toss it out of my shed just on account of the Aussie tag. From oldironnut at windstream.net Sun Mar 18 14:02:49 2012 From: oldironnut at windstream.net (Michael Tucker) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2012 17:02:49 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Online Engine Auction In-Reply-To: References: <8CED2C1DA76F056-848-9C66@Webmail-d113.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: If you're looking for a parts engine or a good project engine you may want to take a look at this online engine auction? quick before they get covered with a tarp at the Royster Engine Ranch! http://www.aumannauctions.com/index.php?subp=1&sct=2&pg=ap&pid=25323 Have fun, Mike From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk Sun Mar 18 14:53:11 2012 From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (Craig Morrison) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2012 21:53:11 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Online Engine Auction References: <8CED2C1DA76F056-848-9C66@Webmail-d113.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4A29015A46B2498C9F2FC70733BF2372@craig8b4f43368> Mike, Just registered for this auction, and I would say that all of this iron will definitely be staying on your side of the pond, I agree that there are plenty of possible projects to be purchased via this auction. Craig ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Tucker" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 9:02 PM Subject: [SEL] Online Engine Auction If you're looking for a parts engine or a good project engine you may want to take a look at this online engine auction? quick before they get covered with a tarp at the Royster Engine Ranch! http://www.aumannauctions.com/index.php?subp=1&sct=2&pg=ap&pid=25323 Have fun, Mike _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From mr at carolina.rr.com Sun Mar 18 19:31:55 2012 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2012 22:31:55 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Online Engine Auction In-Reply-To: References: <8CED2C1DA76F056-848-9C66@Webmail-d113.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <7B4A9992C233413FBD31DD24D3820B7C@RoysterPC> Chances are Miles and I may go there, or I may go pick up an engine for a friend if he wins it. If I can assist anyone please make arrangements with me prior to the auction! Have trailer, will travel! MR -----Original Message----- From: Michael Tucker Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 5:02 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Online Engine Auction If you're looking for a parts engine or a good project engine you may want to take a look at this online engine auction? quick before they get covered with a tarp at the Royster Engine Ranch! http://www.aumannauctions.com/index.php?subp=1&sct=2&pg=ap&pid=25323 Have fun, Mike _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From mr at carolina.rr.com Sun Mar 18 19:45:21 2012 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2012 22:45:21 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Online Engine Auction In-Reply-To: <4A29015A46B2498C9F2FC70733BF2372@craig8b4f43368> References: <8CED2C1DA76F056-848-9C66@Webmail-d113.sysops.aol.com> <4A29015A46B2498C9F2FC70733BF2372@craig8b4f43368> Message-ID: <9CE5C44C1E7E434583389B7800311B55@RoysterPC> If you buy it, I will ship it! You is a pal, after all! MR -----Original Message----- From: Craig Morrison Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 5:53 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Online Engine Auction Mike, Just registered for this auction, and I would say that all of this iron will definitely be staying on your side of the pond, I agree that there are plenty of possible projects to be purchased via this auction. Craig ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Tucker" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 9:02 PM Subject: [SEL] Online Engine Auction If you're looking for a parts engine or a good project engine you may want to take a look at this online engine auction? quick before they get covered with a tarp at the Royster Engine Ranch! http://www.aumannauctions.com/index.php?subp=1&sct=2&pg=ap&pid=25323 Have fun, Mike _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Mon Mar 19 03:35:16 2012 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 21:35:16 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Canberra Rally 2012 In-Reply-To: <4ec7bf653a14d637f8edf06853c8dd34.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com> Message-ID: Hi Arnie, It is a Tangye portable sold by Dalgety in Sydney. Hopefully I will get the captions on the pics in the next few days. In the meantime here are some YouTube videos: My Challenge: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVdDpSoE2Qk Throttle-governed IHC Famous 4hp http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnQqYPcy5B4 Kynoch portable: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTNZAouPPdc Patrick On 19/3/12 3:08 AM, "Arnie Fero" wrote: > G'day Patrick, > > Man, that Dalgety is one neat looking engine. > Never saw one of those before. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/can12/pages/can2012rally%20104_jpg.htm > > See ya, Arnie > > On Sun, March 18, 2012 5:03 am, Patrick Livingstone wrote: >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/can12/index.htm >> >> >> >> To UN-subscribe, send a message to: >> >> stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org >> with: >> unsubscribe >> in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. >> > > > > To UN-subscribe, send a message to: > > stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org > with: > unsubscribe > in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. Patrick M Livingstone 0418 692013 Earlwood NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Mar 19 08:27:51 2012 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 15:27:51 GMT Subject: [SEL] OT Ford lifter Message-ID: <20120319.112751.24874.4@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> Hi Rick, WOW !!! Haven't seen that in many years. Is 76 still around ??? Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ (_0_) "Properly trained, A man can be dog?s best friend." (Cory Ford) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Ford lifter Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2012 08:23:12 -0600 I did Union 76 for a couple years. We called it grape juice under our breath. Super high detergent it wouldn't stay in a tired engine, but was good on fresh ones. I don't know if it's still around or not. RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 7:59 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Ford lifter > > Hi Bruce, > I didn't think anyone but me remembered Royal Triton oil. The Hudson > dealer in Leavenworth recommended it and I used it in my Hudson Hornets > for years. I had to replace a crankcase oil pan once after running over > an african american head size rock. The replacement pan came from a junk > yard donor and I steam cleaned it to get it clean of years of crud. The > damaged pan was clean inside as it came off the engine. There was no > sludge buildup with the Royal Triton. > > Ron > PS: I haven't seen any in years. It was a product of the Union Oil > Company of California. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sluggo54 > To: sel > Sent: Sat, Mar 17, 2012 4:21 pm > Subject: [SEL] OT Ford lifter > > > I remember my dad pulling lifters out of his 332 1959 Ford. I don't > remember > or sure what had to come off, but I think it was just the valve covers and > ocker shafts. He made s tool by carefully putting three bends in a > hacksaw > lade, forming a tweezer with splayed-out feet on the business end. He > squeezed > t together, inserted the frog feet into the top of the lifter, and pulled > it > ut. On a couple he had to wedge something down the tweezer to maintain > grip. > eantime, I made labeled containers to hold them so they would go back > where > hey came from. We boiled them to soften the varnish so they could be > isassembled, then used denatured alcohol to remove the varnish. Assemble, > drop > n a cup of oil for a few minutes, then back into the engine they went. > ver after he used Royal Triton oil, and had no problems. > is next car was a Buick. > Bruce Younger > esting Hornady's new Zombie ammunition. > ______________________________________________ > EL mailing list > EL at lists.stationary-engine.com > ttp://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ____________________________________________________________ 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4f6750ce24c6322c8f1ast03vuc From christison at coastalnet.com Mon Mar 19 08:56:54 2012 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 11:56:54 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT Ford lifter In-Reply-To: <20120319.112751.24874.4@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> References: <20120319.112751.24874.4@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <4F675746.2060007@coastalnet.com> I imagine every guy would want to use this if it was recommended by Marilyn Monroe:-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lRf6MuV7og Ken, (who used Royal Triton in our hay hauling trucks back in the late 50's.) From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Mar 19 09:13:15 2012 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 10:13:15 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT Ford lifter In-Reply-To: <20120319.112751.24874.4@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> References: <20120319.112751.24874.4@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: I think so. Didn't they do gas for NASCAR? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 9:27 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Ford lifter Hi Rick, WOW !!! Haven't seen that in many years. Is 76 still around ??? Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ (_0_) "Properly trained, A man can be dog?s best friend." (Cory Ford) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Ford lifter Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2012 08:23:12 -0600 I did Union 76 for a couple years. We called it grape juice under our breath. Super high detergent it wouldn't stay in a tired engine, but was good on fresh ones. I don't know if it's still around or not. RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 7:59 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Ford lifter > > Hi Bruce, > I didn't think anyone but me remembered Royal Triton oil. The Hudson > dealer in Leavenworth recommended it and I used it in my Hudson Hornets > for years. I had to replace a crankcase oil pan once after running over > an african american head size rock. The replacement pan came from a junk > yard donor and I steam cleaned it to get it clean of years of crud. The > damaged pan was clean inside as it came off the engine. There was no > sludge buildup with the Royal Triton. > > Ron > PS: I haven't seen any in years. It was a product of the Union Oil > Company of California. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sluggo54 > To: sel > Sent: Sat, Mar 17, 2012 4:21 pm > Subject: [SEL] OT Ford lifter > > > I remember my dad pulling lifters out of his 332 1959 Ford. I don't > remember > or sure what had to come off, but I think it was just the valve covers and > ocker shafts. He made s tool by carefully putting three bends in a > hacksaw > lade, forming a tweezer with splayed-out feet on the business end. He > squeezed > t together, inserted the frog feet into the top of the lifter, and pulled > it > ut. On a couple he had to wedge something down the tweezer to maintain > grip. > eantime, I made labeled containers to hold them so they would go back > where > hey came from. We boiled them to soften the varnish so they could be > isassembled, then used denatured alcohol to remove the varnish. Assemble, > drop > n a cup of oil for a few minutes, then back into the engine they went. > ver after he used Royal Triton oil, and had no problems. > is next car was a Buick. > Bruce Younger > esting Hornady's new Zombie ammunition. > ______________________________________________ > EL mailing list > EL at lists.stationary-engine.com > ttp://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ____________________________________________________________ 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4f6750ce24c6322c8f1ast03vuc _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at me.com Mon Mar 19 11:22:12 2012 From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 14:22:12 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 3.5 HP New Holland Message-ID: <080024C6-FE8A-4B2C-9B4F-057A721C1711@me.com> A good friend just located a 3.5 HP air cooled New Holland engine. It's all there (mag, fan, etc, etc) but has been under a workbench since 1939. It's a vertical--Model A, Type C. If someone with knowledge of New Holland engines would suggest an approximate dollar value of the engine it would be appreciated. Thanks! Dave From gasenginetom at hotmail.com Mon Mar 19 11:36:44 2012 From: gasenginetom at hotmail.com (Tom Winland) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 14:36:44 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 3.5 HP New Holland In-Reply-To: <080024C6-FE8A-4B2C-9B4F-057A721C1711@me.com> References: <080024C6-FE8A-4B2C-9B4F-057A721C1711@me.com> Message-ID: I think your asking about a New Way not New Holland Tom Winland Ohio www.gasenginetom.com > From: rotigel at me.com > Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 14:22:12 -0400 > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] 3.5 HP New Holland > > A good friend just located a 3.5 HP air cooled New Holland engine. It's all there (mag, fan, etc, etc) but has been under a workbench since 1939. It's a vertical--Model A, Type C. If someone with knowledge of New Holland engines would suggest an approximate dollar value of the engine it would be appreciated. Thanks! > Dave > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jdohagan at comcast.net Mon Mar 19 12:14:33 2012 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (James OHAGAN) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 12:14:33 -0700 Subject: [SEL] 3.5 HP New Holland In-Reply-To: <080024C6-FE8A-4B2C-9B4F-057A721C1711@me.com> References: <080024C6-FE8A-4B2C-9B4F-057A721C1711@me.com> Message-ID: <000001cd0604$8515d9d0$8f418d70$@net> Dave, I think this post is 13 days early. Jimmy -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Rotigel Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 11:22 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] 3.5 HP New Holland A good friend just located a 3.5 HP air cooled New Holland engine. It's all there (mag, fan, etc, etc) but has been under a workbench since 1939. It's a vertical--Model A, Type C. If someone with knowledge of New Holland engines would suggest an approximate dollar value of the engine it would be appreciated. Thanks! Dave _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk Mon Mar 19 12:23:04 2012 From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (Craig Morrison) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 19:23:04 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Online Engine Auction References: <8CED2C1DA76F056-848-9C66@Webmail-d113.sysops.aol.com><4A29015A46B2498C9F2FC70733BF2372@craig8b4f43368> <9CE5C44C1E7E434583389B7800311B55@RoysterPC> Message-ID: <92AF047BECE24A6D9794CDCA8499B194@craig8b4f43368> I think taht I am good to go with what is already with Miles. Craig ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Royster" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 2:45 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Online Engine Auction If you buy it, I will ship it! You is a pal, after all! MR -----Original Message----- From: Craig Morrison Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 5:53 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Online Engine Auction Mike, Just registered for this auction, and I would say that all of this iron will definitely be staying on your side of the pond, I agree that there are plenty of possible projects to be purchased via this auction. Craig ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Tucker" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 9:02 PM Subject: [SEL] Online Engine Auction If you're looking for a parts engine or a good project engine you may want to take a look at this online engine auction? quick before they get covered with a tarp at the Royster Engine Ranch! http://www.aumannauctions.com/index.php?subp=1&sct=2&pg=ap&pid=25323 Have fun, Mike _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at me.com Mon Mar 19 16:10:18 2012 From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 19:10:18 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 3.5 HP New Holland In-Reply-To: References: <080024C6-FE8A-4B2C-9B4F-057A721C1711@me.com> Message-ID: <7EA93533-E7D1-4BD4-A301-10FB0DBDA3F1@me.com> You are RIGHT! My bad--just a BRAIN FART I guess. Anyone have information on the value? Dave On Mar 19, 2012, at 2:36 PM, Tom Winland wrote: > > I think your asking about a New Way not New Holland > > Tom Winland > Ohio > www.gasenginetom.com > > >> From: rotigel at me.com >> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 14:22:12 -0400 >> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >> Subject: [SEL] 3.5 HP New Holland >> >> A good friend just located a 3.5 HP air cooled New Holland engine. It's all there (mag, fan, etc, etc) but has been under a workbench since 1939. It's a vertical--Model A, Type C. If someone with knowledge of New Holland engines would suggest an approximate dollar value of the engine it would be appreciated. Thanks! >> Dave >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Mar 19 17:02:14 2012 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 18:02:14 -0600 Subject: [SEL] 3.5 HP New Holland In-Reply-To: <080024C6-FE8A-4B2C-9B4F-057A721C1711@me.com> <7EA93533-E7D1-4BD4-A301-10FB0DBDA3F1@me.com> References: <080024C6-FE8A-4B2C-9B4F-057A721C1711@me.com> <7EA93533-E7D1-4BD4-A301-10FB0DBDA3F1@me.com> Message-ID: Paid around 300 rockets, 7 years ago at auction. Missing unique mixer, sheetmetal, buzzcoil. It does have some hard to find items that go on it. I.e. cc checkvalve and fitting(s). Good fan is hard to find. [URL=http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/album/471752277SOWnom][IMG]http://thumb11.webshots.net/t/63/163/4/52/2/471845202JIPcSO_th.jpg[/IMG][/URL] Hope this helps a little. Mines a 4.5 hp. RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 5:10 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] 3.5 HP New Holland > You are RIGHT! My bad--just a BRAIN FART I guess. Anyone have information > on the value? > Dave > > On Mar 19, 2012, at 2:36 PM, Tom Winland wrote: > > > > > I think your asking about a New Way not New Holland > > > > Tom Winland > > Ohio > > www.gasenginetom.com > > > > > >> From: rotigel at me.com > >> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 14:22:12 -0400 > >> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> Subject: [SEL] 3.5 HP New Holland > >> > >> A good friend just located a 3.5 HP air cooled New Holland engine. It's > >> all there (mag, fan, etc, etc) but has been under a workbench since > >> 1939. It's a vertical--Model A, Type C. If someone with knowledge of > >> New Holland engines would suggest an approximate dollar value of the > >> engine it would be appreciated. Thanks! > >> Dave > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From tchristoff at earthlink.net Mon Mar 19 20:25:35 2012 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 22:25:35 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [SEL] 3.5 HP New Holland Message-ID: <10496550.1332213935975.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net> about $800 as long as it's not stuck. If it has the New Way oiler on it could bring a bit more but not usually. Tim. -----Original Message----- >From: Dave Rotigel >Sent: Mar 19, 2012 6:10 PM >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] 3.5 HP New Holland > >You are RIGHT! My bad--just a BRAIN FART I guess. Anyone have information on the value? > Dave > >On Mar 19, 2012, at 2:36 PM, Tom Winland wrote: > >> >> I think your asking about a New Way not New Holland >> >> Tom Winland >> Ohio >> www.gasenginetom.com >> >> >>> From: rotigel at me.com >>> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 14:22:12 -0400 >>> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> Subject: [SEL] 3.5 HP New Holland >>> >>> A good friend just located a 3.5 HP air cooled New Holland engine. It's all there (mag, fan, etc, etc) but has been under a workbench since 1939. It's a vertical--Model A, Type C. If someone with knowledge of New Holland engines would suggest an approximate dollar value of the engine it would be appreciated. Thanks! >>> Dave >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Tim Christoff From plowe at exemail.com.au Tue Mar 20 01:57:45 2012 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2012 19:57:45 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Online Engine Auction In-Reply-To: <92AF047BECE24A6D9794CDCA8499B194@craig8b4f43368> References: <8CED2C1DA76F056-848-9C66@Webmail-d113.sysops.aol.com><4A29015A46B2498C9F2FC70733BF2372@craig8b4f43368><9CE5C44C1E7E434583389B7800311B55@RoysterPC> <92AF047BECE24A6D9794CDCA8499B194@craig8b4f43368> Message-ID: <8D261FD9C979476DA8EFFDA79A9565E2@PeterPC> Is anyone going to this auction?? I would like the serial number from the vertical R&V, there are two other R&V's listed with serial numbers. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm Australia I think taht I am good to go with what is already with Miles. Craig If you buy it, I will ship it! You is a pal, after all! MR Mike, Just registered for this auction, and I would say that all of this iron will definitely be staying on your side of the pond, I agree that there are plenty of possible projects to be purchased via this auction. Craig If you're looking for a parts engine or a good project engine you may want to take a look at this online engine auction? quick before they get covered with a tarp at the Royster Engine Ranch! http://www.aumannauctions.com/index.php?subp=1&sct=2&pg=ap&pid=25323 Have fun, Mike From mickc782 at hotmail.com Tue Mar 20 02:29:16 2012 From: mickc782 at hotmail.com (Mick Christie) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2012 20:29:16 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Online Engine Auction Message-ID: Gday peter The r&v vertical in the auction is actually a 4 hp YB stover ?? cheers ?? ? ?mick Sent from Samsung Mobile Peter Lowe wrote: Is anyone going to this auction?? I would like the serial number from the vertical R&V, there are two other R&V's listed with serial numbers. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm Australia I think taht I am good to go with what is already with Miles. Craig If you buy it, I will ship it!? You is a pal, after all! MR Mike, ??????????? Just registered for this auction, and I would say that all of this iron will definitely be staying on your side of the pond, I agree that there are plenty of possible projects to be purchased via this auction. Craig If you're looking for a parts engine or a good project engine you may want to take a look at this online engine auction? quick before they get covered with a tarp at the Royster Engine Ranch! http://www.aumannauctions.com/index.php?subp=1&sct=2&pg=ap&pid=25323 Have fun, Mike _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Mar 20 04:43:06 2012 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2012 05:43:06 -0600 Subject: [SEL] 3.5 HP New Holland In-Reply-To: <10496550.1332213935975.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <10496550.1332213935975.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Had a unique spark plug too....didn't it Tim? Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Christoff" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 9:25 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] 3.5 HP New Holland > about $800 as long as it's not stuck. If it has the New Way oiler on it > could bring a bit more but not usually. > > Tim. > > > -----Original Message----- > >From: Dave Rotigel > >Sent: Mar 19, 2012 6:10 PM > >To: The SEL email discussion list > >Subject: Re: [SEL] 3.5 HP New Holland > > > >You are RIGHT! My bad--just a BRAIN FART I guess. Anyone have information > >on the value? > > Dave > > > >On Mar 19, 2012, at 2:36 PM, Tom Winland wrote: > > > >> > >> I think your asking about a New Way not New Holland > >> > >> Tom Winland > >> Ohio > >> www.gasenginetom.com > >> > >> > >>> From: rotigel at me.com > >>> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 14:22:12 -0400 > >>> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>> Subject: [SEL] 3.5 HP New Holland > >>> > >>> A good friend just located a 3.5 HP air cooled New Holland engine. > >>> It's all there (mag, fan, etc, etc) but has been under a workbench > >>> since 1939. It's a vertical--Model A, Type C. If someone with > >>> knowledge of New Holland engines would suggest an approximate dollar > >>> value of the engine it would be appreciated. Thanks! > >>> Dave > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> SEL mailing list > >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > Tim Christoff > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From steve_royster at hotmail.com Tue Mar 20 13:20:56 2012 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2012 16:20:56 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Thank you to the SEL In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear Friends, I just wanted to say thanks from my family to the list for the beautiful flowers you sent to Dad's funeral. Mike and I appreciate all your friendship over the years and now especially. It means a lot to have a great group of friends like you. Thanks so much. Steve, Mike, and the Royster family. From tchristoff at earthlink.net Tue Mar 20 18:45:05 2012 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2012 20:45:05 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [SEL] 3.5 HP New Holland Message-ID: <9302340.1332294305802.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net> yep but good luck finding one. Tim -----Original Message----- >From: Richard Strobel >Sent: Mar 20, 2012 6:43 AM >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] 3.5 HP New Holland > >Had a unique spark plug too....didn't it Tim? > >Rick > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Tim Christoff" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 9:25 PM >Subject: Re: [SEL] 3.5 HP New Holland > > >> about $800 as long as it's not stuck. If it has the New Way oiler on it >> could bring a bit more but not usually. >> >> Tim. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >From: Dave Rotigel >> >Sent: Mar 19, 2012 6:10 PM >> >To: The SEL email discussion list >> >Subject: Re: [SEL] 3.5 HP New Holland >> > >> >You are RIGHT! My bad--just a BRAIN FART I guess. Anyone have information >> >on the value? >> > Dave >> > >> >On Mar 19, 2012, at 2:36 PM, Tom Winland wrote: >> > >> >> >> >> I think your asking about a New Way not New Holland >> >> >> >> Tom Winland >> >> Ohio >> >> www.gasenginetom.com >> >> >> >> >> >>> From: rotigel at me.com >> >>> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 14:22:12 -0400 >> >>> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >>> Subject: [SEL] 3.5 HP New Holland >> >>> >> >>> A good friend just located a 3.5 HP air cooled New Holland engine. >> >>> It's all there (mag, fan, etc, etc) but has been under a workbench >> >>> since 1939. It's a vertical--Model A, Type C. If someone with >> >>> knowledge of New Holland engines would suggest an approximate dollar >> >>> value of the engine it would be appreciated. Thanks! >> >>> Dave >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> SEL mailing list >> >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> SEL mailing list >> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >> >_______________________________________________ >> >SEL mailing list >> >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> Tim Christoff >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Tim Christoff From rdhaskell at juno.com Wed Mar 21 14:58:10 2012 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 14:58:10 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT. computer question Message-ID: <20120321.145850.1661.284658@mailpop07.vgs.untd.com> Hi all. Last night an engine friend sent me three engine pictures. I could open one, but the other two gave this message: This file does not have a program associated with it for performing this action, create an association in the set association control panel. Anyone have a clue what this means, and how to fix it. I saw the pictures on his computer and they all looked the same. Thanks. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell ____________________________________________________________ 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4f6a4f45680232453296st05vuc From rob at rustyiron.com Wed Mar 21 15:32:57 2012 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 15:32:57 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT. computer question In-Reply-To: <20120321.145850.1661.284658@mailpop07.vgs.untd.com> References: <20120321.145850.1661.284658@mailpop07.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: On Mar 21, 2012, at 2:58 PM, rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: > Hi all. > Last night an engine friend sent me three engine pictures. I could open > one, but the other two gave this message: This file does not have a > program associated with it for performing this action, create an > association in the set association control panel. Anyone have a clue > what this means, and how to fix it. I saw the pictures on his computer > and they all looked the same. Thanks. Does that happen on Carol?s computer? That would be hard to believe. Tell it to open with Preview and see what happens. Do you know the extension of the filename? That will be a good clue. You can send me the pictures, and I can convert them to something a Windows computer can use, if that?s what you need. Rob From curt at rustyiron.com Wed Mar 21 18:50:01 2012 From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 18:50:01 -0700 Subject: [SEL] 3.5 HP New Holland In-Reply-To: References: <080024C6-FE8A-4B2C-9B4F-057A721C1711@me.com> <7EA93533-E7D1-4BD4-A301-10FB0DBDA3F1@me.com> Message-ID: and it has a nice muffler. Curt in NC > Paid around 300 rockets, 7 years ago at auction. Missing unique mixer, > sheetmetal, buzzcoil. It does have some hard to find items that go on it. > I.e. cc checkvalve and fitting(s). Good fan is hard to find. > > [URL=http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/album/471752277SOWnom][IMG]http://thumb11.webshots.net/t/63/163/4/52/2/471845202JIPcSO_th.jpg[/IMG][/URL] > > > Hope this helps a little. Mines a 4.5 hp. > > RickinMt. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Rotigel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 5:10 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] 3.5 HP New Holland > > >> You are RIGHT! My bad--just a BRAIN FART I guess. Anyone have >> information >> on the value? >> Dave >> >> On Mar 19, 2012, at 2:36 PM, Tom Winland wrote: >> >> > >> > I think your asking about a New Way not New Holland >> > >> > Tom Winland >> > Ohio >> > www.gasenginetom.com >> > >> > >> >> From: rotigel at me.com >> >> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 14:22:12 -0400 >> >> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >> Subject: [SEL] 3.5 HP New Holland >> >> >> >> A good friend just located a 3.5 HP air cooled New Holland engine. >> It's >> >> all there (mag, fan, etc, etc) but has been under a workbench since >> >> 1939. It's a vertical--Model A, Type C. If someone with knowledge of >> >> New Holland engines would suggest an approximate dollar value of the >> >> engine it would be appreciated. Thanks! >> >> Dave >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> SEL mailing list >> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From curt at rustyiron.com Wed Mar 21 19:02:45 2012 From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 19:02:45 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Online Engine Auction In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <990344ef99163a9201fbb688dafb3df1.squirrel@elara.lunarservers.com> Peter, Ken has probably got some R&V's anyway, even if not in the auction. You could just email him or Patti and ask for the s/n's. Email address is here: http://www.edervillenc.com/ I'm sure Ken would be glad to help. Nice guy. Curt in NC > Gday peter > The r&v vertical in the auction is actually a 4 hp YB stover > ???? cheers > ???? ?? ??mick > > Sent from Samsung Mobile > > Peter Lowe wrote: > > Is anyone going to this auction?? > I would like the serial number from the vertical R&V, there are two other > R&V's listed with serial numbers. > > Regards > Peter Lowe > R&V Engine Registrar > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm > Australia > > > > I think taht I am good to go with what is already with Miles. > Craig > > If you buy it, I will ship it!?? You is a pal, after all! > MR > > > > Mike, > ?????????????????????? Just registered for this auction, and I would say > that all of > this iron will definitely be staying on your side of the pond, I agree > that > there are plenty of possible projects to be purchased via this auction. > Craig > > > > If you're looking for a parts engine or a good project engine you may want > to take a look at this online engine auction??? quick before they get > covered > with a tarp at the Royster Engine Ranch! > > http://www.aumannauctions.com/index.php?subp=1&sct=2&pg=ap&pid=25323 > > Have fun, > Mike > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From curt at rustyiron.com Wed Mar 21 19:56:58 2012 From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 19:56:58 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Canberra Rally 2012 In-Reply-To: <0C1AD739-894C-413B-9A0D-4A9B85F40540@rustyiron.com> References: <4ec7bf653a14d637f8edf06853c8dd34.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com> <0C1AD739-894C-413B-9A0D-4A9B85F40540@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: Patrick, What is this engine? That's a vertical flyball governor, right? Not recalling this. Curt > > On Mar 18, 2012, at 9:08 AM, Arnie Fero wrote: > >> G'day Patrick, >> >> Man, that Dalgety is one neat looking engine. >> Never saw one of those before. >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/can12/pages/can2012rally%20104_jpg.htm > > > > Tangye. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rob at rustyiron.com Wed Mar 21 20:40:54 2012 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 20:40:54 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Canberra Rally 2012 In-Reply-To: References: <4ec7bf653a14d637f8edf06853c8dd34.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com> <0C1AD739-894C-413B-9A0D-4A9B85F40540@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <85AAB7B6-601B-4DD2-87B7-200EBC429462@rustyiron.com> On Mar 21, 2012, at 7:56 PM, curt at rustyiron.com wrote: > > Patrick, > What is this engine? > > That's a vertical flyball governor, right? Not recalling this. > Curt Richard Hornsby, Model 1912, on an Aussie cart. From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Wed Mar 21 22:17:47 2012 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 16:17:47 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Canberra Rally 2012 In-Reply-To: References: <4ec7bf653a14d637f8edf06853c8dd34.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com> <0C1AD739-894C-413B-9A0D-4A9B85F40540@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <4F6AB5FB.8060005@optusnet.com.au> G'Day Curt Hornsby oil engine with vertical flyball governor Kerry > Patrick, > What is this engine? > > That's a vertical flyball governor, right? Not recalling this. > Curt > > -- Kerry Morris Tangye Engine Registrar 0400421133 Web Page. www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/ From rotigel at me.com Thu Mar 22 04:39:14 2012 From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 07:39:14 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 3.5 HP New Holland In-Reply-To: <9302340.1332294305802.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <9302340.1332294305802.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1A5F742A-AD87-49E2-809E-5DD4B76E74B6@me.com> We will be looking for those things on Monday when we look at the engine. Also what kind of mag should be on the engine? Dave On Mar 20, 2012, at 9:45 PM, Tim Christoff wrote: > yep but good luck finding one. > > Tim > > -----Original Message----- >> From: Richard Strobel >> Sent: Mar 20, 2012 6:43 AM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] 3.5 HP New Holland >> >> Had a unique spark plug too....didn't it Tim? >> >> Rick >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Tim Christoff" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 9:25 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] 3.5 HP New Holland >> >> >>> about $800 as long as it's not stuck. If it has the New Way oiler on it >>> could bring a bit more but not usually. >>> >>> Tim. >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Dave Rotigel >>>> Sent: Mar 19, 2012 6:10 PM >>>> To: The SEL email discussion list >>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] 3.5 HP New Holland >>>> >>>> You are RIGHT! My bad--just a BRAIN FART I guess. Anyone have information >>>> on the value? >>>> Dave >>>> >>>> On Mar 19, 2012, at 2:36 PM, Tom Winland wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> I think your asking about a New Way not New Holland >>>>> >>>>> Tom Winland >>>>> Ohio >>>>> www.gasenginetom.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> From: rotigel at me.com >>>>>> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 14:22:12 -0400 >>>>>> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>>>> Subject: [SEL] 3.5 HP New Holland >>>>>> >>>>>> A good friend just located a 3.5 HP air cooled New Holland engine. >>>>>> It's all there (mag, fan, etc, etc) but has been under a workbench >>>>>> since 1939. It's a vertical--Model A, Type C. If someone with >>>>>> knowledge of New Holland engines would suggest an approximate dollar >>>>>> value of the engine it would be appreciated. Thanks! >>>>>> Dave >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> SEL mailing list >>>>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> SEL mailing list >>>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>> Tim Christoff >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > Tim Christoff > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Mar 22 06:19:13 2012 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 07:19:13 -0600 Subject: [SEL] 3.5 HP New Holland In-Reply-To: <9302340.1332294305802.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <1A5F742A-AD87-49E2-809E-5DD4B76E74B6@me.com> References: <9302340.1332294305802.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <1A5F742A-AD87-49E2-809E-5DD4B76E74B6@me.com> Message-ID: Isn't Jimmy Johnson the New Way guru on Stak? I know he's from Washington state. Dave mine is buzzcoil fired but I'll check some pictures I have. RickinMt. PS: I believe New Way is the featured engine at Rollag this year. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 5:39 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] 3.5 HP New Holland > We will be looking for those things on Monday when we look at the engine. > Also what kind of mag should be on the engine? > Dave From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Mar 22 06:54:35 2012 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 07:54:35 -0600 Subject: [SEL] 3.5 HP New Holland In-Reply-To: <080024C6-FE8A-4B2C-9B4F-057A721C1711@me.com><7EA93533-E7D1-4BD4-A301-10FB0DBDA3F1@me.com> References: <080024C6-FE8A-4B2C-9B4F-057A721C1711@me.com><7EA93533-E7D1-4BD4-A301-10FB0DBDA3F1@me.com> Message-ID: yea Curt..very nice muffler. In the end it was the proprietary mixer that dissolved my interest. It has no needle valve..one just uses the choke for mixture. One doesn't have to worry about the gas tank tho as it's internal. Always thot it was neat that cc blowby lubes the fan. I wonder how good that worked. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 7:50 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] 3.5 HP New Holland > > and it has a nice muffler. > Curt in NC > > > Paid around 300 rockets, 7 years ago at auction. Missing unique mixer, > > sheetmetal, buzzcoil. It does have some hard to find items that go on > > it. > > I.e. cc checkvalve and fitting(s). Good fan is hard to find. > > > > [URL=http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/album/471752277SOWnom][IMG]http://thumb11.webshots.net/t/63/163/4/52/2/471845202JIPcSO_th.jpg[/IMG][/URL] > > > > > > Hope this helps a little. Mines a 4.5 hp. > > > > RickinMt. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Dave Rotigel" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 5:10 PM > > Subject: Re: [SEL] 3.5 HP New Holland > > > > > >> You are RIGHT! My bad--just a BRAIN FART I guess. Anyone have > >> information > >> on the value? > >> Dave > >> > >> On Mar 19, 2012, at 2:36 PM, Tom Winland wrote: > >> > >> > > >> > I think your asking about a New Way not New Holland > >> > > >> > Tom Winland > >> > Ohio > >> > www.gasenginetom.com > >> > > >> > > >> >> From: rotigel at me.com > >> >> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 14:22:12 -0400 > >> >> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> >> Subject: [SEL] 3.5 HP New Holland > >> >> > >> >> A good friend just located a 3.5 HP air cooled New Holland engine. > >> It's > >> >> all there (mag, fan, etc, etc) but has been under a workbench since > >> >> 1939. It's a vertical--Model A, Type C. If someone with knowledge of > >> >> New Holland engines would suggest an approximate dollar value of the > >> >> engine it would be appreciated. Thanks! > >> >> Dave > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> SEL mailing list > >> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > SEL mailing list > >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Mar 22 07:38:24 2012 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 08:38:24 -0600 Subject: [SEL] 3.5 HP New Holland In-Reply-To: <080024C6-FE8A-4B2C-9B4F-057A721C1711@me.com><7EA93533-E7D1-4BD4-A301-10FB0DBDA3F1@me.com> References: <080024C6-FE8A-4B2C-9B4F-057A721C1711@me.com><7EA93533-E7D1-4BD4-A301-10FB0DBDA3F1@me.com> Message-ID: Dave..here's a little info on the mag. (damn little). Bosch and National are mentioned in the brochure. I don't know why it's cut off: The buzzcoil was tagged New Way. [URL=http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/album/471752277SOWnom][IMG]http://thumb11.webshots.net/t/63/163/4/52/2/471845202JIPcSO_th.jpg[/IMG][/URL] Maybe just crusing thru this album might help also. Patrick, Tim, and Steve were nice enough to take time to send me some pictures. Thanks again guys!! One more thing. The valves are enclosed in a cage(s) They can be a bitch to remove and must be removed for valve/seat work. I have yet to get the bottom one out even after many heat cycles. Good luck with the graphics. I'm sure someone out there can do it, but I know of no decals. And with any headless, a piston stop through the sparkplug hole is a MUST!!! You know what I mean :-) I have lifted the engine using the sparkplug hole, but don't think it's a good idea. I believe the engine primer thru the side of the cylinder is also quite difficult to find. I'll give it more thot today...OMG...lol Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 7:54 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] 3.5 HP New Holland > yea Curt..very nice muffler. In the end it was the proprietary mixer that > dissolved my interest. It has no needle valve..one just uses the choke for > mixture. One doesn't have to worry about the gas tank tho as it's > internal. Always thot it was neat that cc blowby lubes the fan. I wonder > how good that worked. > > Rick > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 7:50 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] 3.5 HP New Holland > > > > > > and it has a nice muffler. > > Curt in NC > > > > > Paid around 300 rockets, 7 years ago at auction. Missing unique > > > mixer, > > > sheetmetal, buzzcoil. It does have some hard to find items that go on > > > it. > > > I.e. cc checkvalve and fitting(s). Good fan is hard to find. > > > > > > [URL=http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/album/471752277SOWnom][IMG]http://thumb11.webshots.net/t/63/163/4/52/2/471845202JIPcSO_th.jpg[/IMG][/URL] > > > > > > > > > Hope this helps a little. Mines a 4.5 hp. > > > > > > RickinMt. > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Dave Rotigel" > > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > > Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 5:10 PM > > > Subject: Re: [SEL] 3.5 HP New Holland > > > > > > > > >> You are RIGHT! My bad--just a BRAIN FART I guess. Anyone have > > >> information > > >> on the value? > > >> Dave > > >> > > >> On Mar 19, 2012, at 2:36 PM, Tom Winland wrote: > > >> > > >> > > > >> > I think your asking about a New Way not New Holland > > >> > > > >> > Tom Winland > > >> > Ohio > > >> > www.gasenginetom.com > > >> > > > >> > > > >> >> From: rotigel at me.com > > >> >> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 14:22:12 -0400 > > >> >> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > >> >> Subject: [SEL] 3.5 HP New Holland > > >> >> > > >> >> A good friend just located a 3.5 HP air cooled New Holland engine. > > >> It's > > >> >> all there (mag, fan, etc, etc) but has been under a workbench > > >> >> since > > >> >> 1939. It's a vertical--Model A, Type C. If someone with knowledge > > >> >> of > > >> >> New Holland engines would suggest an approximate dollar value of > > >> >> the > > >> >> engine it would be appreciated. Thanks! > > >> >> Dave > > >> >> _______________________________________________ > > >> >> SEL mailing list > > >> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > >> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >> > > > >> > _______________________________________________ > > >> > SEL mailing list > > >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> SEL mailing list > > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Fri Mar 23 03:28:33 2012 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2012 21:28:33 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Canberra Rally 2012 In-Reply-To: <4F6AB5FB.8060005@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: I have now updated the pages with (hopefully) correct descriptions: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/can12/index.htm Patrick M Livingstone 0418 692013 Earlwood NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From plowe at exemail.com.au Fri Mar 23 04:01:57 2012 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2012 22:01:57 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Austral at Canberra Message-ID: The old girl looks good Kerry. http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/can12/pages/can2012rally%20059_jpg.htm Peter From oldironnut at windstream.net Fri Mar 23 16:31:45 2012 From: oldironnut at windstream.net (Michael Tucker) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2012 19:31:45 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Canberra Rally 2012 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6B2C2358-8EAE-459A-9ACF-5740C7237EE8@windstream.net> Thanks for the pictures and the captions? gotta love that Kynoch! Mike On Mar 23, 2012, at 6:28 AM, Patrick Livingstone wrote: > > I have now updated the pages with (hopefully) correct descriptions: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/can12/index.htm > > > Patrick M Livingstone > 0418 692013 > Earlwood NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rob at rustyiron.com Fri Mar 23 17:42:09 2012 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2012 17:42:09 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Canberra Rally 2012 In-Reply-To: <6B2C2358-8EAE-459A-9ACF-5740C7237EE8@windstream.net> References: <6B2C2358-8EAE-459A-9ACF-5740C7237EE8@windstream.net> Message-ID: On Mar 23, 2012, at 4:31 PM, Michael Tucker wrote: > Thanks for the pictures and the captions? gotta love that Kynoch! > > Mike I?ll just mention this, Mike, because if you?re not clinging to your guns and bibles, you?re probably playing with your engines: Kynoch not only made cool engines, but back in the day, they manufactured firearms and ammunition. Rob From blcksmth at wcnet.org Fri Mar 23 18:47:07 2012 From: blcksmth at wcnet.org (Bob) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2012 21:47:07 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Wood County Heritage Days In-Reply-To: <4F6D2662.3070306@wcnet.org> References: <4F6D2662.3070306@wcnet.org> Message-ID: <4F6D279B.9060007@wcnet.org> On June 09-10 The Wood County Historical Society (www.woodcountyhistory.org ) along with The Power of Yesteryear (www.powerofyesteryear.org ) will present the Wood County Heritage Days farm show at the Wood County Museum near Bowling Green, Ohio. Wood County is in the heart of the Great Black Swamp and has a history of good farm land and the area was once rich with oil. The museum has an operating steam powered oil drilling rig, an S.M. Jones powered pumping power and a blacksmith/machine shop in the Boom Town display area. More detailed information can be found on the Power of Yesteryear web site and a Heritage Days flyer can be found on the historical society web site. -- Bob Willman The Eagle's Anvil Bowling Green, Ohio WB8NQW The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground. Thomas Jefferson in a letter to E. Carrington, May 27,1788 From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Sat Mar 24 03:36:47 2012 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2012 21:36:47 +1100 Subject: [SEL] A new toy finally home Message-ID: It has taken 18 months but the star of my Austral collection is finally home! I purchased this engine in October 2010 and it finally hit the ground in my garage today. The engine is Austral No.755 a 5.5hp portable from 1911 which is actually originally built as No.182, a pushrod engine, in 1908. Some pics at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myaustral755.html A check over, a good oil up, and it started first pull. Just as one would expect from an Austral: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbQKNQr3EDw I am very pleased with my new toy :) Patrick Patrick M Livingstone 0418 692013 Earlwood NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From oldironnut at windstream.net Sat Mar 24 06:49:49 2012 From: oldironnut at windstream.net (Michael Tucker) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2012 09:49:49 -0400 Subject: [SEL] A new toy finally home In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Congratulations, Patrick? she's beautiful! Mike On Mar 24, 2012, at 6:36 AM, Patrick Livingstone wrote: > It has taken 18 months but the star of my Austral collection is finally > home! I purchased this engine in October 2010 and it finally hit the ground > in my garage today. > The engine is Austral No.755 a 5.5hp portable from 1911 which is actually > originally built as No.182, a pushrod engine, in 1908. > Some pics at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myaustral755.html > > A check over, a good oil up, and it started first pull. Just as one would > expect from an Austral: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbQKNQr3EDw > > I am very pleased with my new toy :) > Patrick > > Patrick M Livingstone > 0418 692013 > Earlwood NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Germoamer at aol.com Sat Mar 24 08:51:09 2012 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2012 11:51:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] A new toy finally home Message-ID: In a message dated 3/24/2012 6:41:06 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, patrick.livingstone at gmail.com writes: _http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myaustral755.html_ (http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myaustral755.html) Patrick, Nice engine. Why the conversion from push rod to side shaft? Did that make the engine more reliable running? Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at aol.com From mr at carolina.rr.com Sat Mar 24 09:15:36 2012 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2012 12:15:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] A new toy finally home In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <59704BEB44B64EAFB90536E3C4F7CBDF@RoysterPC> Very, very nice! -----Original Message----- From: Patrick Livingstone Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2012 6:36 AM To: ATIS ; Oldengine Subject: [SEL] A new toy finally home It has taken 18 months but the star of my Austral collection is finally home! I purchased this engine in October 2010 and it finally hit the ground in my garage today. The engine is Austral No.755 a 5.5hp portable from 1911 which is actually originally built as No.182, a pushrod engine, in 1908. Some pics at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myaustral755.html A check over, a good oil up, and it started first pull. Just as one would expect from an Austral: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbQKNQr3EDw I am very pleased with my new toy :) Patrick Patrick M Livingstone 0418 692013 Earlwood NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From gop4evr at lsol.net Sat Mar 24 12:00:44 2012 From: gop4evr at lsol.net (Nelson Johnsrud) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2012 14:00:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] A new toy finally home In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <82746E34-23CD-4FC9-B395-13DC87FB472E@lsol.net> What a beautiful hunk of iron! Very nice! I also would be interested to hear the backstory of the changeover from pushrod to sideshaft. Nels Johnsrud Manitowoc WI gop4evr at lsol.net On Mar 24, 2012, at 5:36 AM, Patrick Livingstone wrote: > It has taken 18 months but the star of my Austral collection is finally > home! I purchased this engine in October 2010 and it finally hit the ground > in my garage today. > The engine is Austral No.755 a 5.5hp portable from 1911 which is actually > originally built as No.182, a pushrod engine, in 1908. > Some pics at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myaustral755.html > > A check over, a good oil up, and it started first pull. Just as one would > expect from an Austral: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbQKNQr3EDw > > I am very pleased with my new toy :) > Patrick > > Patrick M Livingstone > 0418 692013 > Earlwood NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From blcksmth at wcnet.org Sat Mar 24 13:05:07 2012 From: blcksmth at wcnet.org (Bob) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2012 16:05:07 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Wooden Split Pulley refurbish Message-ID: <4F6E28F3.50909@wcnet.org> What is the recommended way to restore wooden pulleys that have dried out considerably? I am re-assembling a line shaft driven Prentice Bros. lathe and a floor drill press in the blacksmith shop at the Wood County Museum - www.woodcountyhistory.org . I have a couple of wooden split pulleys that are very dry. The laminations do not appear to be loose but I am afraid they might come loose with use. Maybe a coat of linseed oil? Any suggestions? -- Bob Willman The Eagle's Anvil Bowling Green, Ohio WB8NQW The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground. Thomas Jefferson in a letter to E. Carrington, May 27,1788 From russell at ncable.com.au Sat Mar 24 16:15:26 2012 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 10:15:26 +1100 Subject: [SEL] A new toy finally home In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8FF7440B-3416-4EDA-A4C3-AECDCC342B4C@ncable.com.au> Pretty tidy Patrick, looks nice. On 24/03/2012, at 9:36 PM, Patrick Livingstone wrote: > It has taken 18 months but the star of my Austral collection is finally > home! I purchased this engine in October 2010 and it finally hit the ground > in my garage today. > The engine is Austral No.755 a 5.5hp portable from 1911 which is actually > originally built as No.182, a pushrod engine, in 1908. > Some pics at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myaustral755.html > > A check over, a good oil up, and it started first pull. Just as one would > expect from an Austral: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbQKNQr3EDw > > I am very pleased with my new toy :) > Patrick > > Patrick M Livingstone > 0418 692013 > Earlwood NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From russell at ncable.com.au Sat Mar 24 16:17:15 2012 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 10:17:15 +1100 Subject: [SEL] A new toy finally home In-Reply-To: <82746E34-23CD-4FC9-B395-13DC87FB472E@lsol.net> References: <82746E34-23CD-4FC9-B395-13DC87FB472E@lsol.net> Message-ID: <3303A469-06BE-4536-B563-9619FD1B3F57@ncable.com.au> Patrick what about a conversion back to engine No182! ............. you have the makings of it :-) On 25/03/2012, at 6:00 AM, Nelson Johnsrud wrote: > What a beautiful hunk of iron! Very nice! > > I also would be interested to hear the backstory of the changeover from pushrod to sideshaft. > > > Nels Johnsrud > Manitowoc WI > gop4evr at lsol.net > > > > > On Mar 24, 2012, at 5:36 AM, Patrick Livingstone wrote: > >> It has taken 18 months but the star of my Austral collection is finally >> home! I purchased this engine in October 2010 and it finally hit the ground >> in my garage today. >> The engine is Austral No.755 a 5.5hp portable from 1911 which is actually >> originally built as No.182, a pushrod engine, in 1908. >> Some pics at: >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myaustral755.html >> >> A check over, a good oil up, and it started first pull. Just as one would >> expect from an Austral: >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbQKNQr3EDw >> >> I am very pleased with my new toy :) >> Patrick >> >> Patrick M Livingstone >> 0418 692013 >> Earlwood NSW >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at me.com Sat Mar 24 17:22:43 2012 From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2012 20:22:43 -0400 Subject: [SEL] A new toy finally home In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: VERY NICE Patrick! (Arnie had an engine some time ago that also had a "bent axle transporter". Arnie, what was that engine, I've forgotten!) Dave On Mar 24, 2012, at 6:36 AM, Patrick Livingstone wrote: > It has taken 18 months but the star of my Austral collection is finally > home! I purchased this engine in October 2010 and it finally hit the ground > in my garage today. > The engine is Austral No.755 a 5.5hp portable from 1911 which is actually > originally built as No.182, a pushrod engine, in 1908. > Some pics at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myaustral755.html > > A check over, a good oil up, and it started first pull. Just as one would > expect from an Austral: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbQKNQr3EDw > > I am very pleased with my new toy :) > Patrick > > Patrick M Livingstone > 0418 692013 > Earlwood NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From curt at rustyiron.com Sat Mar 24 18:15:26 2012 From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2012 18:15:26 -0700 Subject: [SEL] A new toy finally home In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <36b00784466e050eb671945ce5b0c50c.squirrel@elara.lunarservers.com> > VERY NICE Patrick! (Arnie had an engine some time ago that also had a > "bent axle transporter". Arnie, what was that engine, I've forgotten!) > Dave HEAVY! :-) Curt From b2 at chooka.net Sat Mar 24 18:51:12 2012 From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2012 20:51:12 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Wooden Split Pulley refurbish In-Reply-To: <4F6E28F3.50909@wcnet.org> References: <4F6E28F3.50909@wcnet.org> Message-ID: <003401cd0a29$c1f4b870$45de2950$@net> My product of choice for this project would be kwik poly. It's a 2-part mixture that's the consistency of water for a couple of minutes. Then it sets up really hard. You dam up the area to be treated and pour the stuff in. In this case where you have good contours for the existing pulley, I'd suggest that simple tape be wrapped around the contour to provide the barrier or mold. If you end up with a little excess dripped or sagged out somewhere, it's easy to use a rasp or file to take it back down. I have used this successfully on fuel tanks, a shattered emergency brake switch for my trailer, on an overhead door with a rotted segment, and more. Nope, I don't sell the stuff and don't have a financial interest in the company. I don't even know where to get it, but your favorite search engine will help with that. I've just had good luck using it. Maybe wait a bit on the project and see if someone has other ideas or a contrary experience with Kwik Poly Bill Brueck Pine Island, MN USA -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Bob Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2012 3:05 PM To: Engines Subject: [SEL] Wooden Split Pulley refurbish What is the recommended way to restore wooden pulleys that have dried out considerably? I am re-assembling a line shaft driven Prentice Bros. lathe and a floor drill press in the blacksmith shop at the Wood County Museum - www.woodcountyhistory.org . I have a couple of wooden split pulleys that are very dry. The laminations do not appear to be loose but I am afraid they might come loose with use. Maybe a coat of linseed oil? Any suggestions? -- Bob Willman The Eagle's Anvil Bowling Green, Ohio WB8NQW The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground. Thomas Jefferson in a letter to E. Carrington, May 27,1788 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Sun Mar 25 15:33:49 2012 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 09:33:49 +1100 Subject: [SEL] A new toy finally home In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The short story on the converted engines: R-T started making engines with a vertical (no.51) in c1906. They then built both vertical and horizontal pushrod engines with a belt driven governor. The later pushrod engines had a shaft driven flyball governor. These engines were not very successful so in August 1908 Ronaldson-Tippett started making sideshaft engines based on Carters Patent (as seen with Blackstone engines). The first sideshaft engine was No.217. To recoup some of the money spent building the pushrod engines a handful were rebuilt as sideshaft engines in 1911. It is not known if these are engines that were never sold, bought back or traded in. All of the converted engines bear evidence of their previous existence. Mine has the mounting holes for the cam gear and cutouts in the engine bed to allow for the gear on one side and the water pump eccentric on the other. The cylindrical muffler inboard of the cooling tower is also different than the 'standard' Austral. How do I know what the original engine number is? Well R-T always left the original numbers on the big end bearing. They have a long history of refurbishing engines so they left the original number, hidden, so they could easily identify an engine if it came back to the factory for a rebuild. My engine's original number is 182. The thought is there to un-rebuild the engine but it has been in its current form for over 100 years and runs very, very sweet. It is a pretty unusual engine in its current form but I may look at the logistics of un-rebuilding it in a few years. Patrick Patrick M Livingstone 0418 692013 Earlwood NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Mar 25 16:14:31 2012 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 19:14:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] A new toy finally home In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5E5DEFE1B6234A04A7359FC280273322@D2JYVHJ1> Very interesting Patrick. Thanks for the info on RT and the evolution of their engine. I wonder how many other companies made similar adjustments to make their engines a success? Then, as now, for a company its all about selling their products. The move made by RT to go from a pushrod to sideshaft design certainly accomplished this goal as I know there were many RT engines made and the company had a long history of engine production. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY USA -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Livingstone Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 6:34 PM To: ATIS Subject: Re: [SEL] A new toy finally home The short story on the converted engines: R-T started making engines with a vertical (no.51) in c1906. They then built both vertical and horizontal pushrod engines with a belt driven governor. The later pushrod engines had a shaft driven flyball governor. These engines were not very successful so in August 1908 Ronaldson-Tippett started making sideshaft engines based on Carters Patent (as seen with Blackstone engines). The first sideshaft engine was No.217. To recoup some of the money spent building the pushrod engines a handful were rebuilt as sideshaft engines in 1911. It is not known if these are engines that were never sold, bought back or traded in. All of the converted engines bear evidence of their previous existence. Mine has the mounting holes for the cam gear and cutouts in the engine bed to allow for the gear on one side and the water pump eccentric on the other. The cylindrical muffler inboard of the cooling tower is also different than the 'standard' Austral. How do I know what the original engine number is? Well R-T always left the original numbers on the big end bearing. They have a long history of refurbishing engines so they left the original number, hidden, so they could easily identify an engine if it came back to the factory for a rebuild. My engine's original number is 182. The thought is there to un-rebuild the engine but it has been in its current form for over 100 years and runs very, very sweet. It is a pretty unusual engine in its current form but I may look at the logistics of un-rebuilding it in a few years. Patrick Patrick M Livingstone 0418 692013 Earlwood NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.455 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/4277 - Release Date: 03/24/12 19:34:00 From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sun Mar 25 16:21:00 2012 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 16:21:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] A new toy finally home In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1332717660.32868.YahooMailClassic@web111723.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Patrick, That is a very lovely engine as is. It would not be nearly as attractive in you un-built it. IMHO ? Alan in Michigan --- On Sun, 3/25/12, Patrick Livingstone wrote: From: Patrick Livingstone Subject: Re: [SEL] A new toy finally home To: "ATIS" Date: Sunday, March 25, 2012, 6:33 PM The short story on the converted engines: R-T started making engines with a vertical (no.51) in c1906. They then built both vertical and horizontal pushrod engines with a belt driven governor. The later pushrod engines had a shaft driven flyball governor. These engines were not very successful so in August 1908 Ronaldson-Tippett started making sideshaft engines based on Carters Patent (as seen with Blackstone engines). The first sideshaft engine was No.217. To recoup some of the money spent building the pushrod engines a handful were rebuilt as sideshaft engines in 1911. It is not known if these are engines that were never sold, bought back or traded in. All of the converted engines bear evidence of their previous existence. Mine has the mounting holes for the cam gear and cutouts in the engine bed to allow for the gear on one side and the water pump eccentric on the other. The cylindrical muffler inboard of the cooling tower is also different than the 'standard' Austral. How do I know what the original engine number is? Well R-T always left the original numbers on the big end bearing. They have a long history of refurbishing engines so they left the original number, hidden, so they could easily identify an engine if it came back to the factory for a rebuild. My engine's original number is 182. The thought is there to un-rebuild the engine but it has been in its current form for over 100 years and runs very, very sweet. It is a pretty unusual engine in its current form but I may look at the logistics of un-rebuilding it in a few years. Patrick Patrick M Livingstone 0418 692013 Earlwood NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Mar 25 17:30:36 2012 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 20:30:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] A new toy finally home Message-ID: <6c48b.3c9035e3.3ca112ac@aol.com> In a message dated 3/25/2012 6:47:57 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, patrick.livingstone at gmail.com writes: The short story on the converted engines: ------------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks Patrick. That is really interesting about the conversions Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at aol.com From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Mon Mar 26 02:03:17 2012 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 20:03:17 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Canberra Rally 2012 In-Reply-To: <6B2C2358-8EAE-459A-9ACF-5740C7237EE8@windstream.net> Message-ID: Some video of the Kynoch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTNZAouPPdc On 24/3/12 10:31 AM, "Michael Tucker" wrote: > Thanks for the pictures and the captions? gotta love that Kynoch! > > Mike > > On Mar 23, 2012, at 6:28 AM, Patrick Livingstone wrote: > >> >> I have now updated the pages with (hopefully) correct descriptions: >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/can12/index.htm >> >> >> Patrick M Livingstone >> 0418 692013 >> Earlwood NSW >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Patrick M Livingstone 0418 692013 Earlwood NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From rotigel at me.com Mon Mar 26 12:20:00 2012 From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 15:20:00 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 3.5 HP New Holland In-Reply-To: References: <9302340.1332294305802.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <1A5F742A-AD87-49E2-809E-5DD4B76E74B6@me.com> Message-ID: The mag is a Bosh, the spark plug is missing, there is a mouse nest in the cylinder and the oiler is an Essex The S/N is 6794. Is there a S/N-date list for the New Way engines? The last patent date on the plate is 1908. Dave On Mar 22, 2012, at 9:19 AM, Richard Strobel wrote: > Isn't Jimmy Johnson the New Way guru on Stak? I know he's from Washington > state. > > Dave mine is buzzcoil fired but I'll check some pictures I have. > > RickinMt. > > PS: I believe New Way is the featured engine at Rollag this year. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Rotigel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 5:39 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] 3.5 HP New Holland > > >> We will be looking for those things on Monday when we look at the engine. >> Also what kind of mag should be on the engine? >> Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From tchristoff at earthlink.net Mon Mar 26 20:08:56 2012 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 22:08:56 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [SEL] 3.5 HP New Holland Message-ID: <19436240.1332817737089.JavaMail.root@wamui-bucket.atl.sa.earthlink.net> There is no s/n date list Dave. The late Ed Grimsly once told me that a close date would be to add 1 year to the last patent date on the tag and that would be about when it was made. Problem with that is there are a lot of New Ways with a 1908 as the last patent date. I do have an upright with the words "patent applied for" and a 1908 on it so I would guess that it would be about 1909. My twin has a "patent applied" and 1904 on it so I would like to think that it was a 1905. Tim Christoff -----Original Message----- >From: Dave Rotigel >Sent: Mar 26, 2012 2:20 PM >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] 3.5 HP New Holland > >The mag is a Bosh, the spark plug is missing, there is a mouse nest in the cylinder and the oiler is an Essex The S/N is 6794. Is there a S/N-date list for the New Way engines? The last patent date on the plate is 1908. > Dave > >On Mar 22, 2012, at 9:19 AM, Richard Strobel wrote: > >> Isn't Jimmy Johnson the New Way guru on Stak? I know he's from Washington >> state. >> >> Dave mine is buzzcoil fired but I'll check some pictures I have. >> >> RickinMt. >> >> PS: I believe New Way is the featured engine at Rollag this year. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Dave Rotigel" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 5:39 AM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] 3.5 HP New Holland >> >> >>> We will be looking for those things on Monday when we look at the engine. >>> Also what kind of mag should be on the engine? >>> Dave >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Tim Christoff From rotigel at me.com Tue Mar 27 13:28:28 2012 From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 16:28:28 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 3.5 HP New Holland In-Reply-To: <19436240.1332817737089.JavaMail.root@wamui-bucket.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <19436240.1332817737089.JavaMail.root@wamui-bucket.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4A4F258C-18FC-4761-9072-82154C8DDEC6@me.com> Thanks Tim (and all who responded.) Good info ALL! Dave On Mar 26, 2012, at 11:08 PM, Tim Christoff wrote: > There is no s/n date list Dave. The late Ed Grimsly once told me that a close date would be to add 1 year to the last patent date on the tag and that would be about when it was made. Problem with that is there are a lot of New Ways with a 1908 as the last patent date. I do have an upright with the words "patent applied for" and a 1908 on it so I would guess that it would be about 1909. My twin has a "patent applied" and 1904 on it so I would like to think that it was a 1905. > > Tim Christoff > > -----Original Message----- >> From: Dave Rotigel >> Sent: Mar 26, 2012 2:20 PM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] 3.5 HP New Holland >> >> The mag is a Bosh, the spark plug is missing, there is a mouse nest in the cylinder and the oiler is an Essex The S/N is 6794. Is there a S/N-date list for the New Way engines? The last patent date on the plate is 1908. >> Dave >> >> On Mar 22, 2012, at 9:19 AM, Richard Strobel wrote: >> >>> Isn't Jimmy Johnson the New Way guru on Stak? I know he's from Washington >>> state. >>> >>> Dave mine is buzzcoil fired but I'll check some pictures I have. >>> >>> RickinMt. >>> >>> PS: I believe New Way is the featured engine at Rollag this year. >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Dave Rotigel" >>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 5:39 AM >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] 3.5 HP New Holland >>> >>> >>>> We will be looking for those things on Monday when we look at the engine. >>>> Also what kind of mag should be on the engine? >>>> Dave >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > Tim Christoff > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Mar 27 13:53:05 2012 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 16:53:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] A new toy finally home In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <222da12de5ac35ece289e69a2f237641.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com> I do believe that you're referring to the 4 hp "drop frame" Robertsonville, with the custom angled wheels to allow it to run securely on the sides of the steep PA hills. 8-)) On Sat, March 24, 2012 8:22 pm, Dave Rotigel wrote: > VERY NICE Patrick! (Arnie had an engine some time ago that also had a > "bent axle transporter". Arnie, what was that engine, I've forgotten!) > Dave From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Mar 27 14:54:27 2012 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 17:54:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Wooden Split Pulley refurbish In-Reply-To: <4F6E28F3.50909@wcnet.org> References: <4F6E28F3.50909@wcnet.org> Message-ID: <6b2bd844078ba97b08a49491f03396e1.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com> Bob, A friend who works with wood a lot swears by stuff called "penetrating resin." http://tlc.howstuffworks.com/home/guide-to-furniture-finishes-ga2.htm I think using Quic Poly would probably do a similar job. See ya, Arnie On Sat, March 24, 2012 4:05 pm, Bob wrote: > What is the recommended way to restore wooden pulleys that have > dried out considerably? I am re-assembling a line shaft driven Prentice > Bros. lathe and a floor drill press in the blacksmith shop at the Wood > County Museum - www.woodcountyhistory.org . I have a couple of wooden > split pulleys that are very dry. The laminations do not appear to be > loose but I am afraid they might come loose with use. Maybe a coat of > linseed oil? Any suggestions? > -- > Bob Willman > The Eagle's Anvil From rob at rustyiron.com Tue Mar 27 15:14:22 2012 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 15:14:22 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Wooden Split Pulley refurbish In-Reply-To: <6b2bd844078ba97b08a49491f03396e1.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com> References: <4F6E28F3.50909@wcnet.org> <6b2bd844078ba97b08a49491f03396e1.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com> Message-ID: <363D294C-A768-4A0E-8EED-7BC2089D2EB6@rustyiron.com> On Mar 27, 2012, at 2:54 PM, Arnie Fero wrote: > Bob, > > A friend who works with wood a lot swears by stuff called "penetrating > resin." > http://tlc.howstuffworks.com/home/guide-to-furniture-finishes-ga2.htm > > I think using Quic Poly would probably do a similar job. Funny you should say that, Arnie. Our apple press, when we got it, had all original wood, but it was no longer ?good.? The last 4? or so of the end grain on the uprights was all dried out and splintery. I taped up around the sides with masking tape, then poured Kwik-Poly right into the end grain. It soaked right in, and within minutes was hard like a rock. That was a dozen years ago, and the repaired sections will probably last the rest of my life. I didn?t expect it to work so well. Had I known, I would have put in more effort to make the masking tape dam perfect and to add color to the Kwik-Poly. It hardens up a little milky, and doesn?t like to take color after it?s hard. Rob From enginepaul at gmail.com Tue Mar 27 15:32:37 2012 From: enginepaul at gmail.com (STRAIGHT from SanFran) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 15:32:37 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Wooden Split Pulley refurbish In-Reply-To: <4F6E28F3.50909@wcnet.org> References: <4F6E28F3.50909@wcnet.org> Message-ID: Try this company; the owner has been saving wood for years: http://www.smithandcompany.org/ On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 1:05 PM, Bob wrote: > ? ? What is the recommended way to restore wooden pulleys that have > dried out considerably? I am re-assembling a line shaft driven Prentice > Bros. lathe and a floor drill press in the blacksmith shop at the Wood > County Museum - www.woodcountyhistory.org . I have a couple of wooden > split pulleys that are very dry. The laminations do not appear to be > loose but I am afraid they might come loose with use. Maybe a coat of > linseed oil? Any suggestions? > > -- > Bob Willman > The Eagle's Anvil > Bowling Green, Ohio > WB8NQW > > The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground. > > Thomas Jefferson > in a letter to E. Carrington, > May 27,1788 > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bboyce at swat.coop Fri Mar 30 12:46:26 2012 From: bboyce at swat.coop (bill boyce) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 14:46:26 -0500 Subject: [SEL] round belting for water pump Message-ID: <795A1802764149BE9A4496898103F367@billPC> i;m looking for some round belting info,,,, there is a 7 inch dia. by 1/2 inch round belt grove cast into the inside hub of one of the flywheels on my stover 22, from which i plan to drive a water pump . i;ve never used round belting, so i need some guidance here..... what is the best material for this application ? how do you splice it ? where can i buy it by the foot ? i plan on using a gear pump that has 3/4 inch pipe thread inlet and outlet, with a 5/8 inch shaft,,, how small of a pulley can be used with the 1/2 inch belt ? will the 7 inch drive turn the 2 or 3 inch driven pulley fast enough to move enough water to cool the engine? its a throttler that gets pretty warm, but only runs at about 80 or 90 rpm , so thats going to turn the pump only about 200 or so rpm,,,i dont have any stats on the pump output,,,,,,,,, any ideas will be appreciated,, bill boyce lost prairie, arkansas From jlb94 at juno.com Fri Mar 30 13:20:24 2012 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 20:20:24 GMT Subject: [SEL] round belting for water pump Message-ID: <20120330.162024.17986.0@webmail09.vgs.untd.com> Hi Bill, I'm pretty sure round leather belting up to 3/8" can be purchased from Lee W. Pederson, 78 Taft Avenue, Lynbrook, New York 11563. (Phone ???) Advertisment in GEM. You might also find some at Hit and Miss Enterprises, in Orwell, OH 440-272-5335. I was always surprised to see just what looks like a "Hog Ring" used for splicing the belt together. That's probably the best I can do for you. Hope you find a good source. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ (_0_) "Properly trained, A man can be dog?s best friend." (Cory Ford) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "bill boyce" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Subject: [SEL] round belting for water pump Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 14:46:26 -0500 i;m looking for some round belting info,,,, there is a 7 inch dia. by 1/2 inch round belt grove cast into the inside hub of one of the flywheels on my stover 22, from which i plan to drive a water pump . i;ve never used round belting, so i need some guidance here..... what is the best material for this application ? how do you splice it ? where can i buy it by the foot ? i plan on using a gear pump that has 3/4 inch pipe thread inlet and outlet, with a 5/8 inch shaft,,, how small of a pulley can be used with the 1/2 inch belt ? will the 7 inch drive turn the 2 or 3 inch driven pulley fast enough to move enough water to cool the engine? its a throttler that gets pretty warm, but only runs at about 80 or 90 rpm , so thats going to turn the pump only about 200 or so rpm,,,i dont have any stats on the pump output,,,,,,,,, any ideas will be appreciated,, bill boyce lost prairie, arkansas _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ____________________________________________________________ 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4f7615b7c05d82b55f2fst01vuc From edstoller at earthlink.net Fri Mar 30 13:28:48 2012 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed Stoller) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 16:28:48 -0400 Subject: [SEL] round belting for water pump References: <795A1802764149BE9A4496898103F367@billPC> Message-ID: <873E1BCF5F224D9EB96E48631A218917@edlaptop> Just an idea, but I think I have seen round belting on old Singer sewing machines. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT, USA www.enginesandmagnets.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "bill boyce" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 3:46 PM Subject: [SEL] round belting for water pump > i;m looking for some round belting info,,,, there is a 7 inch dia. by 1/2 > inch round belt grove cast into the inside hub of one of the flywheels on > my stover 22, from which i plan to drive a water pump . i;ve never used > round belting, so i need some guidance here..... what is the best material > for this application ? how do you splice it ? where can i buy it by the > foot ? i plan on using a gear pump that has 3/4 inch pipe thread inlet and > outlet, with a 5/8 inch shaft,,, how small of a pulley can be used with > the 1/2 inch belt ? will the 7 inch drive turn the 2 or 3 inch driven > pulley fast enough to move enough water to cool the engine? its a > throttler that gets pretty warm, but only runs at about 80 or 90 rpm , so > thats going to turn the pump only about 200 or so rpm,,,i dont have any > stats on the pump output,,,,,,,,, > any ideas will be appreciated,, > bill boyce > lost prairie, arkansas > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From christison at coastalnet.com Fri Mar 30 13:30:54 2012 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 16:30:54 -0400 Subject: [SEL] round belting for water pump In-Reply-To: <795A1802764149BE9A4496898103F367@billPC> References: <795A1802764149BE9A4496898103F367@billPC> Message-ID: <4F7617FE.50000@coastalnet.com> Bill, Not sure about a half inch belt, but you might check with a sewing machine repairman in your area. I know I used to be able to get 1/4 inch round belt material from one near here. I didn't try for any larger sizes. Good luck. Ken On 3/30/2012 3:46 PM, bill boyce wrote: > i;m looking for some round belting info,,,, there is a 7 inch dia. by 1/2 inch round belt grove cast into the inside hub of one of the flywheels on my stover 22, from which i plan to drive a water pump . i;ve never used round belting, so i need some guidance here..... what is the best material for this application ? how do you splice it ? where can i buy it by the foot ? i plan on using a gear pump that has 3/4 inch pipe thread inlet and outlet, with a 5/8 inch shaft,,, how small of a pulley can be used with the 1/2 inch belt ? will the 7 inch drive turn the 2 or 3 inch driven pulley fast enough to move enough water to cool the engine? its a throttler that gets pretty warm, but only runs at about 80 or 90 rpm , so thats going to turn the pump only about 200 or so rpm,,,i dont have any stats on the pump output,,,,,,,,, > any ideas will be appreciated,, > bill boyce > lost prairie, arkansas > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Mar 30 13:45:32 2012 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 16:45:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] round belting for water pump In-Reply-To: <795A1802764149BE9A4496898103F367@billPC> References: <795A1802764149BE9A4496898103F367@billPC> Message-ID: <15b05e0aa71fd9c9459d8197af5c634c.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com> Bill, McMaster-Carr offers a lot of choices in round belting, both in terms of size and material. http://www.mcmaster.com/#round-belts/=gw46s7 See ya, Arnie On Fri, March 30, 2012 3:46 pm, bill boyce wrote: > i;m looking for some round belting info,,,, there is a 7 inch dia. by 1/2 > inch round belt grove cast into the inside hub of one of the flywheels on > my stover 22, from which i plan to drive a water pump . i;ve never used > round belting, so i need some guidance here..... what is the best material > for this application ? how do you splice it ? where can i buy it by the > foot ? i plan on using a gear pump that has 3/4 inch pipe thread inlet and > outlet, with a 5/8 inch shaft,,, how small of a pulley can be used with > the 1/2 inch belt ? will the 7 inch drive turn the 2 or 3 inch driven > pulley fast enough to move enough water to cool the engine? its a > throttler that gets pretty warm, but only runs at about 80 or 90 rpm , so > thats going to turn the pump only about 200 or so rpm,,,i dont have any > stats on the pump output,,,,,,,,, > any ideas will be appreciated,, > bill boyce > lost prairie, arkansas From Germoamer at aol.com Fri Mar 30 16:15:33 2012 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 19:15:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] old engine photo revisited Message-ID: <3dc27.2a7ea3fd.3ca79895@aol.com> The first part of the month I sent you folks a photo of an old engine that was in my wife's family which made for lots of discussion. For the past three weeks we have been going thru my wife's cousins house to get ready to sell her estate. We are the executors, and has been non stop since her passing March 2. She had no relatives and all her assets will be disposed of. We came across an old photo album and when I picked it up what fell out was another photo of the same engine taken the same day in a different pose. How's that for luck! The two flywheels are definitely mismatched. Pulley seen on the far side. Oiler seen on back side of engine. If that is the muffler on the front side, it is almost bigger than the engine. On bottom of photo is Clayton, 2 yrs old, which is my wife's father's brother, and his age would date the photo to 1919. Very interesting stuff! Have fun! Tom Schmutz Both photos are here: first one _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/old%20engine%20reduced.jpg_ (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/old%20engine%20reduced.jpg) second one _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/clayton%20engine.jpg_ (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/clayton%20engine.jpg) From christison at coastalnet.com Fri Mar 30 17:06:27 2012 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 20:06:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] old engine photo revisited In-Reply-To: <3dc27.2a7ea3fd.3ca79895@aol.com> References: <3dc27.2a7ea3fd.3ca79895@aol.com> Message-ID: <4F764A83.9030000@coastalnet.com> Tom, The piece if front looks almost like a homemade wooden pulley. Sure looks like wood to me, anyway. I wouldn't think it was a muffler. Wouldn't it be neat to find the bill of sale for the engine, or perhaps some correspondence from the dealer. Regardless, it is a neat little piece of history, and a mysterious piece at that:-) Ken On 3/30/2012 7:15 PM, Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > The first part of the month I sent you folks a photo of an old engine that > was in my wife's family which made for lots of discussion. For the past > three weeks we have been going thru my wife's cousins house to get ready to > sell her estate. We are the executors, and has been non stop since her > passing March 2. She had no relatives and all her assets will be disposed of. > > We came across an old photo album and when I picked it up what fell out > was another photo of the same engine taken the same day in a different pose. > How's that for luck! The two flywheels are definitely mismatched. Pulley > seen on the far side. Oiler seen on back side of engine. If that is the > muffler on the front side, it is almost bigger than the engine. On bottom of > photo is Clayton, 2 yrs old, which is my wife's father's brother, and his > age would date the photo to 1919. Very interesting stuff! Have fun! > > Tom Schmutz > > Both photos are here: > > first one > > > _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/old%20engine%20reduced.jpg_ > > (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/old%20engine%20reduced.jpg) > > second one > > _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/clayton%20engine.jpg_ > (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/clayton%20engine.jpg) > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From ddotto at cableone.net Fri Mar 30 17:44:29 2012 From: ddotto at cableone.net (Dave Otto) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 18:44:29 -0600 Subject: [SEL] old engine photo revisited In-Reply-To: <3dc27.2a7ea3fd.3ca79895@aol.com> References: <3dc27.2a7ea3fd.3ca79895@aol.com> Message-ID: <74160E57628241DCB9382D69C116ED5B@shop> Hi Tom My vote is for Sta-Rite they had round flywheels and the governor is on the correct side for a Sta-Rite. Also see the vertical coil spring between the two top spokes in the second picture? Sta-Rites had a speed adjuster in this very location. They also had a cast crank guard as seen in the second picture. I have a nice scan of a Sta-Rite advertizing blotter that I can email to you if you like. It is not the round flywheel version though. Just my thoughts, Dave Dave Otto Boise, Idaho -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Germoamer at aol.com Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 5:16 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] old engine photo revisited The first part of the month I sent you folks a photo of an old engine that was in my wife's family which made for lots of discussion. For the past three weeks we have been going thru my wife's cousins house to get ready to sell her estate. We are the executors, and has been non stop since her passing March 2. She had no relatives and all her assets will be disposed of. We came across an old photo album and when I picked it up what fell out was another photo of the same engine taken the same day in a different pose. How's that for luck! The two flywheels are definitely mismatched. Pulley seen on the far side. Oiler seen on back side of engine. If that is the muffler on the front side, it is almost bigger than the engine. On bottom of photo is Clayton, 2 yrs old, which is my wife's father's brother, and his age would date the photo to 1919. Very interesting stuff! Have fun! Tom Schmutz Both photos are here: first one _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/old%20engine%20reduced.jpg_ (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/old%20engine%20reduced.jpg) second one _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/clayton%20engine.jpg_ (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/clayton%20engine.jpg) _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Sat Mar 31 02:23:13 2012 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2012 20:23:13 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Mystery Engine Message-ID: So far no firm ideas on this one. One suggestion is an early Moffat-Virtue but no firm identification yet. Some pics: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/mystery/mysteryh%20001.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/mystery/mysteryh%20002.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/mystery/mysteryh%20003.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/mystery/mysteryh%20004.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/mystery/mysteryh%20005.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/mystery/mysteryh%20006.jpg Any help appreciated. Patrick Patrick M Livingstone 0418 692013 Earlwood NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From rob at rustyiron.com Thu Mar 1 17:39:44 2012 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 17:39:44 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Lorenz Engine Movie Premier Message-ID: Here?s something to keep you entertained for the next three minutes and forty six seconds. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbfdHuoTHu4 From rotigel at me.com Thu Mar 1 18:48:45 2012 From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2012 21:48:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Lorenz Engine Movie Premier In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Speed is controlled by the intake valve rocker arm"??????? For years Arnie told me the speed was controled by magic--who/whom am I to believe? Dave On Mar 1, 2012, at 8:39 PM, Rob Skinner wrote: > Here?s something to keep you entertained for the next three minutes and forty six seconds. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbfdHuoTHu4 > > From rob at rustyiron.com Thu Mar 1 19:37:36 2012 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 19:37:36 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Lorenz Engine Movie Premier In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0D9070D9-0DEE-4A00-A7DE-5A2BF8D1C94D@rustyiron.com> On Mar 1, 2012, at 6:48 PM, Dave Rotigel wrote: > "Speed is controlled by the intake valve rocker arm"??????? For years Arnie told me the speed was controled by magic--who/whom am I to believe? > Dave > Arnie also believes in neutrons. From rotigel at me.com Fri Mar 2 03:21:00 2012 From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2012 06:21:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Lorenz Engine Movie Premier In-Reply-To: <0D9070D9-0DEE-4A00-A7DE-5A2BF8D1C94D@rustyiron.com> References: <0D9070D9-0DEE-4A00-A7DE-5A2BF8D1C94D@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <7497DC10-E63C-42CB-95A0-C9B11A8A23E3@me.com> On Mar 1, 2012, at 10:37 PM, Rob Skinner wrote: > > On Mar 1, 2012, at 6:48 PM, Dave Rotigel wrote: > >> "Speed is controlled by the intake valve rocker arm"??????? For years Arnie told me the speed was controled by magic--who/whom am I to believe? >> Dave >> > Arnie also believes in neutrons. Point WELL TAKEN Mr. Skinner! Thanks! Dave From sluggo54 at hotmail.com Fri Mar 2 12:53:27 2012 From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2012 14:53:27 -0600 Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 96, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bruce Younger 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68 Madison, SD sluggo54 at hotmail.com "There is no hunting like the hunting of a man and those that have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter." E. Hemingway > From: sel-request at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: SEL Digest, Vol 96, Issue 1 > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2012 12:00:01 -0500 > > Send SEL mailing list submissions to > sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > sel-request at lists.stationary-engine.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > sel-owner at lists.stationary-engine.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of SEL digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Lorenz Engine Movie Premier (Rob Skinner) > 2. Re: Lorenz Engine Movie Premier (Dave Rotigel) > 3. Re: Lorenz Engine Movie Premier (Rob Skinner) > 4. Re: Lorenz Engine Movie Premier (Dave Rotigel) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 17:39:44 -0800 > From: Rob Skinner > Subject: [SEL] Lorenz Engine Movie Premier > To: Old Engine List , SEL ATIS > , WAPA-Members > > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > Here?s something to keep you entertained for the next three minutes and forty six seconds. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbfdHuoTHu4 > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2012 21:48:45 -0500 > From: Dave Rotigel > Subject: Re: [SEL] Lorenz Engine Movie Premier > To: The SEL email discussion list > Cc: WAPA-Members , Old Engine List > > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > "Speed is controlled by the intake valve rocker arm"??????? For years Arnie told me the speed was controled by magic--who/whom am I to believe? > Dave > > On Mar 1, 2012, at 8:39 PM, Rob Skinner wrote: > > > Here?s something to keep you entertained for the next three minutes and forty six seconds. > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbfdHuoTHu4 > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 19:37:36 -0800 > From: Rob Skinner > Subject: Re: [SEL] Lorenz Engine Movie Premier > To: The SEL email discussion list > Cc: Old Engine List > Message-ID: <0D9070D9-0DEE-4A00-A7DE-5A2BF8D1C94D at rustyiron.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > > On Mar 1, 2012, at 6:48 PM, Dave Rotigel wrote: > > > "Speed is controlled by the intake valve rocker arm"??????? For years Arnie told me the speed was controled by magic--who/whom am I to believe? > > Dave > > > > > Arnie also believes in neutrons. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2012 06:21:00 -0500 > From: Dave Rotigel > Subject: Re: [SEL] Lorenz Engine Movie Premier > To: The SEL email discussion list > Cc: Old Engine List > Message-ID: <7497DC10-E63C-42CB-95A0-C9B11A8A23E3 at me.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII > > > On Mar 1, 2012, at 10:37 PM, Rob Skinner wrote: > > > > > On Mar 1, 2012, at 6:48 PM, Dave Rotigel wrote: > > > >> "Speed is controlled by the intake valve rocker arm"??????? For years Arnie told me the speed was controled by magic--who/whom am I to believe? > >> Dave > >> > > Arnie also believes in neutrons. > > Point WELL TAKEN Mr. Skinner! Thanks! > Dave > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > End of SEL Digest, Vol 96, Issue 1 > ********************************** From sluggo54 at hotmail.com Fri Mar 2 12:54:19 2012 From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2012 14:54:19 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Subject: Lorenz Engine Movie Premier (Rob Skinner) Message-ID: I don't know what's more impressive, Rob. The engine is beautiful, the technology is novel, the execution superb - and the presentation professional. Thank you; there are several well-done jobs here. I enjoyed them all. Bruce Younger Testing Hornady's new Zombie ammunition. From curt at rustyiron.com Fri Mar 2 17:59:43 2012 From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2012 17:59:43 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Lorenz Engine Movie Premier In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > Here?s something to keep you entertained for the next three minutes and > forty six seconds. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbfdHuoTHu4 Rob, Very nice, but your engine porn flick was way too short! We want to see a little more of that action. :-) Curt in NC From rdi at rochester.rr.com Sat Mar 3 08:20:24 2012 From: rdi at rochester.rr.com (Rick I.) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2012 11:20:24 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Lorenz Engine Movie Premier References: Message-ID: <6939F2DB21D94BB7BEEB9B48FD5AD2AC@marlin> > From: Rob Skinner > Subject: [SEL] Lorenz Engine Movie Premier > > Here?s something to keep you entertained for the next three minutes and > forty six seconds. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbfdHuoTHu4 > Thanks, Rob! I've got to say, that was a super job of movie production. What video editting software did you use? -Rick I. From russell at ncable.com.au Sun Mar 4 03:52:24 2012 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 22:52:24 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Rob Skinner eat your heart out In-Reply-To: <6939F2DB21D94BB7BEEB9B48FD5AD2AC@marlin> References: <6939F2DB21D94BB7BEEB9B48FD5AD2AC@marlin> Message-ID: <10387D03-787E-408A-9804-5298EC9043BF@ncable.com.au> Well okay then this might have only taken my daughter about 4 minutes to post on you tube but it does show us Aussies can compete on the world stage of engine movie production ........................................ lol .......... well okay at least I made an effort! Sorry Rob I could not get the birds to chirp on cue. Love Russ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZhWN0n69_U&context=C308f52aADOEgsToPDskLmskmW2snlge68yL9jxA_7 PS: please enjoy From kosh at ncweb.com Sun Mar 4 06:10:57 2012 From: kosh at ncweb.com (Dave Merchant) Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2012 09:10:57 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Rob Skinner eat your heart out In-Reply-To: <10387D03-787E-408A-9804-5298EC9043BF@ncable.com.au> References: <6939F2DB21D94BB7BEEB9B48FD5AD2AC@marlin> <6939F2DB21D94BB7BEEB9B48FD5AD2AC@marlin> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20120304091005.03fa6ea0@ncweb.com> Some very nice engines there! Is that a TARDAS at 1:30? Dave Merchant At 06:52 AM 3/4/2012, you wrote: >Well okay then this might have only taken my daughter about 4 minutes to >post on you tube but it does show us Aussies can compete on the world >stage of engine movie production ........................................ >lol .......... well okay at least I made an effort! > >Sorry Rob I could not get the birds to chirp on cue. > > Love Russ > > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZhWN0n69_U&context=C308f52aADOEgsToPDskLmskmW2snlge68yL9jxA_7 > >PS: please enjoy >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Dave Merchant kosh at ncweb.com kosh at nesys.com dmerchant at layerzero.com http://www.nesys.com http://www.nesys.org YouTube: SteamCrane From mr at carolina.rr.com Sun Mar 4 07:14:26 2012 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 10:14:26 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Rob Skinner eat your heart out In-Reply-To: <10387D03-787E-408A-9804-5298EC9043BF@ncable.com.au> References: <6939F2DB21D94BB7BEEB9B48FD5AD2AC@marlin> <10387D03-787E-408A-9804-5298EC9043BF@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <9AB867F3B79F40BA862675B89E79396B@RoysterPC> Impressive display of engines and signs!!!!!! -----Original Message----- From: Russell Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2012 6:52 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Rob Skinner eat your heart out Well okay then this might have only taken my daughter about 4 minutes to post on you tube but it does show us Aussies can compete on the world stage of engine movie production ........................................ lol .......... well okay at least I made an effort! Sorry Rob I could not get the birds to chirp on cue. Love Russ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZhWN0n69_U&context=C308f52aADOEgsToPDskLmskmW2snlge68yL9jxA_7 PS: please enjoy _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rob at rustyiron.com Sun Mar 4 07:25:45 2012 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 07:25:45 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Rob Skinner eat your heart out In-Reply-To: <10387D03-787E-408A-9804-5298EC9043BF@ncable.com.au> References: <6939F2DB21D94BB7BEEB9B48FD5AD2AC@marlin> <10387D03-787E-408A-9804-5298EC9043BF@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <7897A1B7-47CA-4ED1-B09A-622E81E43DD7@rustyiron.com> On Mar 4, 2012, at 3:52 AM, Russell wrote: > Well okay then this might have only taken my daughter about 4 minutes to post on you tube but it does show us Aussies can compete on the world stage of engine movie production ........................................ lol .......... well okay at least I made an effort! > > Sorry Rob I could not get the birds to chirp on cue. > > Love Russ G?day, mate. I thought the birds weren?t chirping because the gondwanas ate them all. That?s a nice bunch of engines, and the shop is lovely, as well. Rob From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Mar 4 08:10:24 2012 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 11:10:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Rob Skinner eat your heart out In-Reply-To: <10387D03-787E-408A-9804-5298EC9043BF@ncable.com.au> References: <6939F2DB21D94BB7BEEB9B48FD5AD2AC@marlin> <10387D03-787E-408A-9804-5298EC9043BF@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <5b9d55736cd976f889f3ea0f7f50f52b.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com> G'day Russ, Holy crap!! What a neat shed and awesome collection of engines! It's like a mini-Anson. I NEED to visit! See ya, Arnie On Sun, March 4, 2012 6:52 am, Russell wrote: > Well okay then this might have only taken my daughter about 4 minutes to > post on you tube but it does show us Aussies can compete on the world > stage of engine movie production ........................................ > lol .......... well okay at least I made an effort! > > Sorry Rob I could not get the birds to chirp on cue. > > Love Russ > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZhWN0n69_U&context=C308f52aADOEgsToPDskLmskmW2snlge68yL9jxA_7 From jerrye at databak.co.za Sun Mar 4 11:02:11 2012 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2012 21:02:11 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse "Y" plate help please ?? Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20120304204709.00c5d118@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> Hi All, Can anyone help me here. I have been asked to make a few brass plates for a Fairbanks Morse Type "Y" engine and am busy with the artwork. I've got a reasonable picture to copy but it looks like this may have been a replica plate made by someone else and I've just discovered that 2 of the patent dates are the same - this is unusual and I was wondering if it was possibly a mistake made by whoever made the replica OR was the original plate like that (it's always possible that they did register 2 patents on the same day). If any list member has access to a FM "Y" with an original plate would you please be so kind as to check it out for me and let me know ? Click on the link below to see a picture with details: <[1]http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/PLATES/fmy.JPG> Thanks in advance for any replies. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: <[2]www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm> References 1. http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/PLATES/fmy.JPG 2. http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm From russell at ncable.com.au Sun Mar 4 13:22:59 2012 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell) Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 08:22:59 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Rob Skinner eat your heart out In-Reply-To: <5b9d55736cd976f889f3ea0f7f50f52b.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com> References: <6939F2DB21D94BB7BEEB9B48FD5AD2AC@marlin> <10387D03-787E-408A-9804-5298EC9043BF@ncable.com.au> <5b9d55736cd976f889f3ea0f7f50f52b.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com> Message-ID: Well Arnie don't just talk about it, get on a plane and fly over. There is always a spare bed here for you. Is that a TARDAS at 1:30? Dave Im sorry but not sure what a Tardas is??? thank you all for the comments. It has been quite a while since I spent a few hours in the shed playing engines with freinds. The guy sitting in the chair nere the door is dad, the guy you see in the video is a mate "greg" who lives about 5 minutes away. I got edicted to this hobby with no help from you guys! I then visited Lake Goldsmith engine rally (a long way from home) and thought I could do something similar at my place. I'm am trying my best to be more sensible now days and not get any more engines. cya Russ PS: well maybe one more engine :-) ............. ok two On 05/03/2012, at 3:10 AM, Arnie Fero wrote: > G'day Russ, > > Holy crap!! What a neat shed and awesome collection of engines! > It's like a mini-Anson. I NEED to visit! > > See ya, Arnie > > On Sun, March 4, 2012 6:52 am, Russell wrote: >> Well okay then this might have only taken my daughter about 4 minutes to >> post on you tube but it does show us Aussies can compete on the world >> stage of engine movie production ........................................ >> lol .......... well okay at least I made an effort! >> >> Sorry Rob I could not get the birds to chirp on cue. >> >> Love Russ >> >> >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZhWN0n69_U&context=C308f52aADOEgsToPDskLmskmW2snlge68yL9jxA_7 > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From swilliams268 at frontier.com Sun Mar 4 14:27:18 2012 From: swilliams268 at frontier.com (Steve W.) Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2012 17:27:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Rob Skinner eat your heart out In-Reply-To: References: <6939F2DB21D94BB7BEEB9B48FD5AD2AC@marlin> <10387D03-787E-408A-9804-5298EC9043BF@ncable.com.au> <5b9d55736cd976f889f3ea0f7f50f52b.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com> Message-ID: <4F53EC46.5080201@frontier.com> Russell wrote: > Well Arnie don't just talk about it, get on a plane and fly over. There is always a spare bed here for you. > > Is that a TARDAS at 1:30? > Dave Im sorry but not sure what a Tardas is??? TARDIS (Time And Relative Dimension In Space) - Dr. Who's time traveling machine. Cleverly disguised as a vintage British Police box... Outside it looks like a police call box. Inside it is as large as a sports stadium http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TARDIS -- Steve W. From wackyvorlon at gmail.com Sun Mar 4 15:43:51 2012 From: wackyvorlon at gmail.com (Paul Anderson) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 18:43:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Rob Skinner eat your heart out In-Reply-To: <4F53EC46.5080201@frontier.com> References: <6939F2DB21D94BB7BEEB9B48FD5AD2AC@marlin> <10387D03-787E-408A-9804-5298EC9043BF@ncable.com.au> <5b9d55736cd976f889f3ea0f7f50f52b.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com> <4F53EC46.5080201@frontier.com> Message-ID: <444A7694-E5B4-4C7E-ABA6-941687EE4B31@gmail.com> Adorned with the even more clever Somebody Else's Problem field. Sent from my iPad On 2012-03-04, at 5:27 PM, "Steve W." wrote: > Russell wrote: >> Well Arnie don't just talk about it, get on a plane and fly over. There is always a spare bed here for you. >> >> Is that a TARDAS at 1:30? >> Dave Im sorry but not sure what a Tardas is??? > > TARDIS (Time And Relative Dimension In Space) - Dr. Who's time traveling > machine. Cleverly disguised as a vintage British Police box... > > Outside it looks like a police call box. Inside it is as large as a > sports stadium > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TARDIS > > > > -- > Steve W. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From mr at carolina.rr.com Sun Mar 4 16:45:46 2012 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 19:45:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Rob Skinner eat your heart out In-Reply-To: <4F53EC46.5080201@frontier.com> References: <6939F2DB21D94BB7BEEB9B48FD5AD2AC@marlin> <10387D03-787E-408A-9804-5298EC9043BF@ncable.com.au> <5b9d55736cd976f889f3ea0f7f50f52b.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com> <4F53EC46.5080201@frontier.com> Message-ID: WRONG! He simply stating is the fellow in the corner a "tired ass.?" He just used the southern spelling. -----Original Message----- From: Steve W. Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2012 5:27 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Rob Skinner eat your heart out Russell wrote: > Well Arnie don't just talk about it, get on a plane and fly over. There is > always a spare bed here for you. > > Is that a TARDAS at 1:30? > Dave Im sorry but not sure what a Tardas is??? TARDIS (Time And Relative Dimension In Space) - Dr. Who's time traveling machine. Cleverly disguised as a vintage British Police box... Outside it looks like a police call box. Inside it is as large as a sports stadium http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TARDIS -- Steve W. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From service.ka at edwardsmotors.com.au Tue Mar 6 00:22:56 2012 From: service.ka at edwardsmotors.com.au (Chester Smith) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 16:22:56 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Rob Skinner eat your heart out References: <6939F2DB21D94BB7BEEB9B48FD5AD2AC@marlin> <10387D03-787E-408A-9804-5298EC9043BF@ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <014c01ccfb72$5603e0c0$210110ac@Chester> Hi Russell, that looks like my kind of shed, a couple of engines running, some nice collectibles, and a couple of cold beers, cheers from west aus, Chester. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2012 7:52 PM Subject: [SEL] Rob Skinner eat your heart out > Well okay then this might have only taken my daughter about 4 minutes to > post on you tube but it does show us Aussies can compete on the world > stage of engine movie production ........................................ > lol .......... well okay at least I made an effort! > > Sorry Rob I could not get the birds to chirp on cue. > > Love Russ > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZhWN0n69_U&context=C308f52aADOEgsToPDskLmskmW2snlge68yL9jxA_7 > > PS: please enjoy > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Mar 7 13:14:54 2012 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 16:14:54 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] old engine photo Message-ID: <52e46.6df262a9.3c8929ce@aol.com> I recently was given an old photo of an engine that was in my wife's family. Sitting in front of it is my wife's grandfather and a child who we are not sure of yet. The engine has an Olds type hopper top. The two flywheels appear to be mismatched. The near one looks round rather than flat on edge. The other is flat. The spokes do not appear to line up from one wheel to the other. Any thoughts? _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/old%20engine%20reduced.jpg_ (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/old%20engine%20reduced.jpg) Thanks, Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at aol.com From bakermonitor1932 at hotmail.com Thu Mar 8 09:31:27 2012 From: bakermonitor1932 at hotmail.com (Devin Holland) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 12:31:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] unknown engine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That looks like a steam engine conversion. > From: sel-request at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: SEL Digest, Vol 96, Issue 6 > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 12:00:01 -0500 > > Send SEL mailing list submissions to > sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > sel-request at lists.stationary-engine.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > sel-owner at lists.stationary-engine.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of SEL digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. old engine photo (Germoamer at aol.com) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 16:14:54 -0500 (EST) > From: Germoamer at aol.com > Subject: [SEL] old engine photo > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Message-ID: <52e46.6df262a9.3c8929ce at aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > I recently was given an old photo of an engine that was in my wife's > family. Sitting in front of it is my wife's grandfather and a child who we are > not sure of yet. The engine has an Olds type hopper top. The two > flywheels appear to be mismatched. The near one looks round rather than flat on > edge. The other is flat. The spokes do not appear to line up from one wheel > to the other. Any thoughts? > > > _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/old%20engine%20reduced.jpg_ > > (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/old%20engine%20reduced.jpg) > > > Thanks, > > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. > germoamer at aol.com > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > End of SEL Digest, Vol 96, Issue 6 > ********************************** From gasenginetom at hotmail.com Thu Mar 8 10:12:46 2012 From: gasenginetom at hotmail.com (Tom Winland) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 13:12:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] unknown engine In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: steam engines wouldn't have a hopper so that rules out steam > From: bakermonitor1932 at hotmail.com > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 12:31:27 -0500 > Subject: [SEL] unknown engine > > > That looks like a steam engine conversion. > > > From: sel-request at lists.stationary-engine.com > > Subject: SEL Digest, Vol 96, Issue 6 > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 12:00:01 -0500 > > > > Send SEL mailing list submissions to > > sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > sel-request at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > sel-owner at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of SEL digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. old engine photo (Germoamer at aol.com) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 16:14:54 -0500 (EST) > > From: Germoamer at aol.com > > Subject: [SEL] old engine photo > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > Message-ID: <52e46.6df262a9.3c8929ce at aol.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > > > I recently was given an old photo of an engine that was in my wife's > > family. Sitting in front of it is my wife's grandfather and a child who we are > > not sure of yet. The engine has an Olds type hopper top. The two > > flywheels appear to be mismatched. The near one looks round rather than flat on > > edge. The other is flat. The spokes do not appear to line up from one wheel > > to the other. Any thoughts? > > > > > > _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/old%20engine%20reduced.jpg_ > > > > (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/old%20engine%20reduced.jpg) > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Tom Schmutz > > Concord, Va. > > germoamer at aol.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > End of SEL Digest, Vol 96, Issue 6 > > ********************************** > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From frappi at wcoil.com Thu Mar 8 10:38:53 2012 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2012 13:38:53 -0500 Subject: [SEL] unknown engine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120308183851.34C189696@smtp.wcoil.com> Was there a log saw version of the Olds Engines? That or it was modified for log saw operation? The flat face flywheel is more like a flat drive pulley then a flywheel. The round rim one reminds me of a large hand wheel for a valve. Mark At 12:31 PM 3/8/2012, you wrote: >That looks like a steam engine conversion. > > > From: sel-request at lists.stationary-engine.com > > Subject: SEL Digest, Vol 96, Issue 6 > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 12:00:01 -0500 > > > > Send SEL mailing list submissions to > > sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > sel-request at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > sel-owner at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of SEL digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. old engine photo (Germoamer at aol.com) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 16:14:54 -0500 (EST) > > From: Germoamer at aol.com > > Subject: [SEL] old engine photo > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > Message-ID: <52e46.6df262a9.3c8929ce at aol.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > > > I recently was given an old photo of an engine that was in my wife's > > family. Sitting in front of it is my wife's grandfather and > a child who we are > > not sure of yet. The engine has an Olds type hopper top. The two > > flywheels appear to be mismatched. The near one looks round > rather than flat on > > edge. The other is flat. The spokes do not appear to line up > from one wheel > > to the other. Any thoughts? > > > > > > > _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/old%20engine%20reduced.jpg_ > > > > > (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/old%20engine%20reduced.jpg) > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Tom Schmutz > > Concord, Va. > > germoamer at aol.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > End of SEL Digest, Vol 96, Issue 6 > > ********************************** > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home Hobby Collector and Dealer in John Deere and Hercules Engines. Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com From wackyvorlon at gmail.com Thu Mar 8 10:56:38 2012 From: wackyvorlon at gmail.com (Paul Anderson) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 13:56:38 -0500 Subject: [SEL] unknown engine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It could be a half-breed. You used to be able to buy conversion kits. Keep the flywheels, crankshaft, bed plate, etc. attach a new cylinder and piston. Then you convert the steam engine to a gas or diesel. It is the source of a number of weird looking engines. Sent from my iPad On 2012-03-08, at 1:12 PM, Tom Winland wrote: > > steam engines wouldn't have a hopper so that rules out steam > > >> From: bakermonitor1932 at hotmail.com >> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 12:31:27 -0500 >> Subject: [SEL] unknown engine >> >> >> That looks like a steam engine conversion. >> >>> From: sel-request at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> Subject: SEL Digest, Vol 96, Issue 6 >>> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 12:00:01 -0500 >>> >>> Send SEL mailing list submissions to >>> sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> >>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>> sel-request at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> >>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>> sel-owner at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> >>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>> than "Re: Contents of SEL digest..." >>> >>> >>> Today's Topics: >>> >>> 1. old engine photo (Germoamer at aol.com) >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> Message: 1 >>> Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 16:14:54 -0500 (EST) >>> From: Germoamer at aol.com >>> Subject: [SEL] old engine photo >>> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> Message-ID: <52e46.6df262a9.3c8929ce at aol.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >>> >>> I recently was given an old photo of an engine that was in my wife's >>> family. Sitting in front of it is my wife's grandfather and a child who we are >>> not sure of yet. The engine has an Olds type hopper top. The two >>> flywheels appear to be mismatched. The near one looks round rather than flat on >>> edge. The other is flat. The spokes do not appear to line up from one wheel >>> to the other. Any thoughts? >>> >>> >>> _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/old%20engine%20reduced.jpg_ >>> >>> (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/old%20engine%20reduced.jpg) >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> >>> Tom Schmutz >>> Concord, Va. >>> germoamer at aol.com >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>> End of SEL Digest, Vol 96, Issue 6 >>> ********************************** >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From frappi at wcoil.com Thu Mar 8 12:08:55 2012 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2012 15:08:55 -0500 Subject: [SEL] unknown engine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120308200852.E47AC968D@smtp.wcoil.com> I was not aware that they made half breeds that small. Thats like a 1.5 hp size. maybe 2 at most. But if so yah learn something new every day. Mark At 01:56 PM 3/8/2012, you wrote: >It could be a half-breed. You used to be able to buy conversion >kits. Keep the flywheels, crankshaft, bed plate, etc. attach a new >cylinder and piston. Then you convert the steam engine to a gas or >diesel. It is the source of a number of weird looking engines. > >Sent from my iPad > >On 2012-03-08, at 1:12 PM, Tom Winland wrote: > > > > > steam engines wouldn't have a hopper so that rules out steam > > > > > >> From: bakermonitor1932 at hotmail.com > >> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 12:31:27 -0500 > >> Subject: [SEL] unknown engine > >> > >> > >> That looks like a steam engine conversion. > >> > >>> From: sel-request at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>> Subject: SEL Digest, Vol 96, Issue 6 > >>> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 12:00:01 -0500 > >>> > >>> Send SEL mailing list submissions to > >>> sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>> > >>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > >>> sel-request at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>> > >>> You can reach the person managing the list at > >>> sel-owner at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>> > >>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > >>> than "Re: Contents of SEL digest..." > >>> > >>> > >>> Today's Topics: > >>> > >>> 1. old engine photo (Germoamer at aol.com) > >>> > >>> > >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> > >>> Message: 1 > >>> Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 16:14:54 -0500 (EST) > >>> From: Germoamer at aol.com > >>> Subject: [SEL] old engine photo > >>> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>> Message-ID: <52e46.6df262a9.3c8929ce at aol.com> > >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > >>> > >>> I recently was given an old photo of an engine that was in my wife's > >>> family. Sitting in front of it is my wife's grandfather and a > child who we are > >>> not sure of yet. The engine has an Olds type hopper top. The two > >>> flywheels appear to be mismatched. The near one looks round > rather than flat on > >>> edge. The other is flat. The spokes do not appear to line up > from one wheel > >>> to the other. Any thoughts? > >>> > >>> > >>> > _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/old%20engine%20reduced.jpg_ > >>> > >>> > (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/old%20engine%20reduced.jpg) > >>> > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> > >>> > >>> Tom Schmutz > >>> Concord, Va. > >>> germoamer at aol.com > >>> > >>> ------------------------------ > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> SEL mailing list > >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >>> > >>> > >>> End of SEL Digest, Vol 96, Issue 6 > >>> ********************************** > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home Hobby Collector and Dealer in John Deere and Hercules Engines. Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com From Germoamer at aol.com Fri Mar 9 04:37:43 2012 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 07:37:43 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] unknown engine Message-ID: <2945.44b32df2.3c8b5397@aol.com> In a message dated 3/8/2012 1:52:19 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, frappi at wcoil.com writes: Was there a log saw version of the Olds Engines? That or it was modified for log saw operation? The flat face flywheel is more like a flat drive pulley then a flywheel. The round rim one reminds me of a large hand wheel for a valve ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------ My wife's people were all very mechanically inclined. Known in the area to be able to fix steam engines, make tractors from automobile parts, take several junk cars and put them together to make a jalopy, etc. Knowing that, it is no telling what they have done to the engine in the photo to make it workable. We know it is her grandfather and possibly her brother who died as a young child in the photo. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at aol.com From Germoamer at aol.com Fri Mar 9 09:12:38 2012 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 12:12:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] gluing plastic OT Message-ID: <13c56.40683814.3c8b9406@aol.com> I own a John Deere lawnmower with a plastic hood. I have developed a crack in the hood near where it latches on each side of the mower. At this same location the upper and lower halves of the hood are bolted together and the nut area has broken out a piece of the plastic. Any suggestions for a good thin "crazy" type glue. I need something thin that will go into the crack. At one time I worked for Eastman Kodak, and the Eastman 910 glue was great stuff. Thanks Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at aol.com From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Mar 9 09:26:11 2012 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 12:26:11 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] gluing plastic OT In-Reply-To: <13c56.40683814.3c8b9406@aol.com> References: <13c56.40683814.3c8b9406@aol.com> Message-ID: <94413b3cd4e8a0287693e67a5f9650a4.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com> Tom, Your biggest challenge will be trying to identify the type of plastic. Best bet? Call John Deere, explain your problem, then hit the net looking for an adhesive that works with that plastic. GOOD LUCK! See ya, Arnie On Fri, March 9, 2012 12:12 pm, Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > I own a John Deere lawnmower with a plastic hood. I have developed a > crack in the hood near where it latches on each side of the mower. At this > same location the upper and lower halves of the hood are bolted together > and the nut area has broken out a piece of the plastic. > > Any suggestions for a good thin "crazy" type glue. I need something thin > that will go into the crack. At one time I worked for Eastman Kodak, > and the Eastman 910 glue was great stuff. From rob at rustyiron.com Fri Mar 9 09:56:07 2012 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 09:56:07 -0800 Subject: [SEL] gluing plastic OT In-Reply-To: <13c56.40683814.3c8b9406@aol.com> References: <13c56.40683814.3c8b9406@aol.com> Message-ID: <2C2E94B5-18D7-4250-9F28-E8C434F15B7F@rustyiron.com> On Mar 9, 2012, at 9:12 AM, Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > I own a John Deere lawnmower with a plastic hood. I have developed a > crack in the hood near where it latches on each side of the mower. At this > same location the upper and lower halves of the hood are bolted together and > the nut area has broken out a piece of the plastic. > > Any suggestions for a good thin "crazy" type glue. I need something thin > that will go into the crack. At one time I worked for Eastman Kodak, and > the Eastman 910 glue was great stuff. Back in the olden days, we frequently had problems with broken fenders on motorcycles and other off road vehicles. I never found an adhesive that was suitable, as the plastics used were made so that nothing stuck to them. Kelley once brought home a plastic welder, but the results were not that good, either. If the ?Hillbilly Look? is ok, you might make a piece of sheet metal to fit, then use a lot of small bolts to attach it to the plastic. A new hood will surely be expensive. Rob From swilliams268 at frontier.com Fri Mar 9 10:13:12 2012 From: swilliams268 at frontier.com (Steve W.) Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2012 13:13:12 -0500 Subject: [SEL] gluing plastic OT In-Reply-To: <13c56.40683814.3c8b9406@aol.com> References: <13c56.40683814.3c8b9406@aol.com> Message-ID: <4F5A4838.6000005@frontier.com> Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > I own a John Deere lawnmower with a plastic hood. I have developed a > crack in the hood near where it latches on each side of the mower. At this > same location the upper and lower halves of the hood are bolted together and > the nut area has broken out a piece of the plastic. > > Any suggestions for a good thin "crazy" type glue. I need something thin > that will go into the crack. At one time I worked for Eastman Kodak, and > the Eastman 910 glue was great stuff. > > Thanks > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. > germoamer at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > The same "glue" used for PVC pipe should do the trick. Then add a brace if there is room. -- Steve W. From frappi at wcoil.com Fri Mar 9 10:43:46 2012 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2012 13:43:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] unknown engine In-Reply-To: <2945.44b32df2.3c8b5397@aol.com> References: <2945.44b32df2.3c8b5397@aol.com> Message-ID: <20120309184344.53FF8968D@smtp.wcoil.com> Well that certainly makes sense. If you are poor but inventive and you need an engine, you pick up one with broken flywheels for whatever reason and glob on whatever you can scrounge up to make it work. The back ground looks like the typical VA, W.VA and NC farm land of the period. Striped bare of even the flimsiest of tree or bush and farmed to death. Lot of people do not realize that the eastern areas like that were stripped bare for as far as the eye could see and farmed to death. What we see today as tree filled verdant woods was less then a hundred years ago bald as a billiard ball. TTYL, Mark > >My wife's people were all very mechanically inclined. Known in the area >to be able to fix steam engines, make tractors from automobile parts, take >several junk cars and put them together to make a jalopy, etc. Knowing that, >it is no telling what they have done to the engine in the photo to make it >workable. We know it is her grandfather and possibly her brother who died >as a young child in the photo. > >Tom Schmutz >Concord, Va. >germoamer at aol.com > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home Hobby Collector and Dealer in John Deere and Hercules Engines. Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com From frappi at wcoil.com Fri Mar 9 10:56:45 2012 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2012 13:56:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] gluing plastic OT In-Reply-To: <2C2E94B5-18D7-4250-9F28-E8C434F15B7F@rustyiron.com> References: <13c56.40683814.3c8b9406@aol.com> <2C2E94B5-18D7-4250-9F28-E8C434F15B7F@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <20120309185702.840839665@smtp.wcoil.com> It depends on who sold the Deere as to how expensive a new hood may be. If its a John Deere Dealer Sold tractor yes its gonna cost. But if its a Big Box Store Deere it may be cheaper than you might expect. Reason is the Big box store Deeres and Cadets and others are not actually a true rep of the name brand. Most are MTD built with license from the Name brands to decorate as such. So the parts are less expensive then the name brand on the hood may lead you to think. If you are looking for a pretty, hidden, non noticeable repair thats gonna be tough. But if cosmetics are not as important as function then a metal patch is likely to be the way to go. Thats probably what I would do. Paint it green to blend in. Mark At 12:56 PM 3/9/2012, you wrote: >If the "Hillbilly Look" is ok, you might make a piece of sheet metal >to fit, then use a lot of small bolts to attach it to the plastic. A >new hood will surely be expensive. Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home Hobby Collector and Dealer in John Deere and Hercules Engines. Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com From mls477 at ntelos.net Fri Mar 9 12:27:25 2012 From: mls477 at ntelos.net (Mark L Shattuck) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 15:27:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] gluing plastic OT In-Reply-To: <20120309185702.840839665@smtp.wcoil.com> References: <13c56.40683814.3c8b9406@aol.com> <2C2E94B5-18D7-4250-9F28-E8C434F15B7F@rustyiron.com> <20120309185702.840839665@smtp.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <00d601ccfe33$0a6462c0$1f2d2840$@ntelos.net> Some time ago the list was abuzz with this product called Belzona this stuff is tuff & strong . Mark L Shattuck Waynesboro Va -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mark Shulaw Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 1:57 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] gluing plastic OT It depends on who sold the Deere as to how expensive a new hood may be. If its a John Deere Dealer Sold tractor yes its gonna cost. But if its a Big Box Store Deere it may be cheaper than you might expect. Reason is the Big box store Deeres and Cadets and others are not actually a true rep of the name brand. Most are MTD built with license from the Name brands to decorate as such. So the parts are less expensive then the name brand on the hood may lead you to think. If you are looking for a pretty, hidden, non noticeable repair thats gonna be tough. But if cosmetics are not as important as function then a metal patch is likely to be the way to go. Thats probably what I would do. Paint it green to blend in. Mark At 12:56 PM 3/9/2012, you wrote: >If the "Hillbilly Look" is ok, you might make a piece of sheet metal to >fit, then use a lot of small bolts to attach it to the plastic. A new >hood will surely be expensive. Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home Hobby Collector and Dealer in John Deere and Hercules Engines. Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jneth3 at mac.com Fri Mar 9 13:14:29 2012 From: jneth3 at mac.com (John Neth) Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2012 16:14:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] gluing plastic OT In-Reply-To: <00d601ccfe33$0a6462c0$1f2d2840$@ntelos.net> References: <13c56.40683814.3c8b9406@aol.com> <2C2E94B5-18D7-4250-9F28-E8C434F15B7F@rustyiron.com> <20120309185702.840839665@smtp.wcoil.com> <00d601ccfe33$0a6462c0$1f2d2840$@ntelos.net> Message-ID: <4619026C-59E4-4F39-B484-0BB911E6C2C9@mac.com> I'll be interested in some of these suggestions, have a JD 4510 tractor that a 1.5 inch branch fell about 3 ft and broke about 4 pieces out. Have not tried to put them back yet. I long for metal. John Sent from my iPhone On Mar 9, 2012, at 3:27 PM, Mark L Shattuck wrote: > Some time ago the list was abuzz with this product called Belzona this > stuff is tuff & strong . > > Mark L Shattuck > > Waynesboro Va > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Mark Shulaw > Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 1:57 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] gluing plastic OT > > > > It depends on who sold the Deere as to how expensive a new hood may be. If > its a John Deere Dealer Sold tractor yes its gonna cost. But if its a Big > Box Store Deere it may be cheaper than you might expect. > Reason is the Big box store Deeres and Cadets and others are not actually a > true rep of the name brand. Most are MTD built with license from the Name > brands to decorate as such. So the parts are less expensive then the name > brand on the hood may lead you to think. > If you are looking for a pretty, hidden, non noticeable repair thats gonna > be tough. But if cosmetics are not as important as function then a metal > patch is likely to be the way to go. Thats > probably what I would do. Paint it green to blend in. Mark > > > > At 12:56 PM 3/9/2012, you wrote: > >> If the "Hillbilly Look" is ok, you might make a piece of sheet metal to >> fit, then use a lot of small bolts to attach it to the plastic. A new >> hood will surely be expensive. > > > Mark Shulaw > 454 County Road 33 > Bluffton, OH. 45817 > USA > > Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home > Hobby Collector and Dealer in John Deere and Hercules Engines. > Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. > VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Germoamer at aol.com Fri Mar 9 13:29:21 2012 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 16:29:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] gluing plastic OT Message-ID: <17039.22b9ec1f.3c8bd031@aol.com> In a message dated 3/9/2012 2:00:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, frappi at wcoil.com writes: If its a John Deere Dealer Sold tractor yes its gonna cost ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------- It is a John Deere-John Deere and I do not even want to think what a new hood would cost. I have been thinking of some "crazy" type glue in the crack area and then maybe some fiberglass cloth bonding with something(?) on the inside of the hood. The crack is only a few inches long at this point. Tom From Germoamer at aol.com Fri Mar 9 13:34:04 2012 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 16:34:04 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] unknown engine Message-ID: <1729b.1956470f.3c8bd14c@aol.com> In a message dated 3/9/2012 1:52:14 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, frappi at wcoil.com writes: The back ground looks like the typical VA, W.VA and NC farm land of the period. Striped bare of even the flimsiest of tree or bush and farmed to death. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- We think the photo may have been taken in the yard and surrounding fields of her grandfathers home. If you look closely, lots of woods in background. This area in central Virginia is not suitable to clear cut farming as too may hills and gullies not suitable for anything but woods. Tom From frappi at wcoil.com Fri Mar 9 14:22:58 2012 From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw) Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2012 17:22:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] gluing plastic OT In-Reply-To: <17039.22b9ec1f.3c8bd031@aol.com> References: <17039.22b9ec1f.3c8bd031@aol.com> Message-ID: <20120309222255.C70E996BD@smtp.wcoil.com> One little trick to help stop the spread of the crack before you attempt any repair. Its important to interrupt the fracture. Drill a small hole at the furthest reach of the crack. You want to look real close and be sure to find the very end of the crack. It does not take much of a hole 1/16th or 3/32" even 1/8" the hole will then be filled by whatever adhesive or plastic filler you use. This same thing is some times done with windshield glass. But instead of a hole its just a dimple done with some type of burr?? Not sure what the tool is they use on glass, But its not a drill bit like we think. Mark At 04:29 PM 3/9/2012, you wrote: > >In a message dated 3/9/2012 2:00:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, >frappi at wcoil.com writes: > >If its a John Deere Dealer Sold tractor yes its gonna cost >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >---------------------------------- > >It is a John Deere-John Deere and I do not even want to think what a new >hood would cost. I have been thinking of some "crazy" type glue in the >crack area and then maybe some fiberglass cloth bonding with something(?) on >the inside of the hood. The crack is only a few inches long at this point. > >Tom > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Mark Shulaw 454 County Road 33 Bluffton, OH. 45817 USA Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206 Home Hobby Collector and Dealer in John Deere and Hercules Engines. Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts. VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at www.Maytagclub.com From Frank at lbpinc.com Fri Mar 9 15:37:08 2012 From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt LBP) Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2012 18:37:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] gluing plastic OT In-Reply-To: <20120309222255.C70E996BD@smtp.wcoil.com> References: <17039.22b9ec1f.3c8bd031@aol.com> <20120309222255.C70E996BD@smtp.wcoil.com> Message-ID: <4F5A9424.80904@lbpinc.com> Have you checked Ebay. It seems that if something like this happens a lot there is a kit to fix it. If it doesn't there are used hoods. -- HONOR GOD SERVE PEOPLE DEVELOP EXCELLENCE GROW PROFITABLE FOLLOWING BIBLICAL PRINCIPLES Frank DeWitt | mailto:frank at lbpinc.com Mechanical Design | Phone: 585 624 3052 LBP INC. | Fax 585 624 1038 2365 Cox Rd. | Bloomfield NY 14469 |Web http://www.lbpinc.com/ From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 9 17:51:50 2012 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 17:51:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] gluing plastic OT In-Reply-To: <2C2E94B5-18D7-4250-9F28-E8C434F15B7F@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <1331344310.44542.YahooMailClassic@web111710.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> PC-7 is a two part epoxy with fiberglass. I have used it on many types of plastic. I had a 750 Honda that came with shattered side covers. I taped them together on the face then smeared the back side with PC-7 and when I took the tape off I installed the covers and nobody ever knew they were damaged. Five years later I traded that bike off and the covers still looked great. Alan in Michigan --- On Fri, 3/9/12, Rob Skinner wrote: From: Rob Skinner Subject: Re: [SEL] gluing plastic OT To: "The SEL email discussion list" Date: Friday, March 9, 2012, 12:56 PM On Mar 9, 2012, at 9:12 AM, Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > I own a John Deere lawnmower with a plastic hood.? I have developed a? > crack in the hood near where it latches on each side of the mower.? At this? > same location the upper and lower halves of the hood are bolted together and > the? nut area has broken out a piece of the plastic.? > > Any suggestions for a good thin "crazy" type glue.? I need something? thin > that will go into the crack.???At one time I worked for Eastman? Kodak, and > the Eastman 910 glue was great stuff.? Back in the olden days, we frequently had problems with broken fenders on motorcycles and other off road vehicles. I never found an adhesive that was suitable, as the plastics used were made so that nothing stuck to them. Kelley once brought home a plastic welder, but the results were not that good, either. If the ?Hillbilly Look? is ok, you might make a piece of sheet metal to fit, then use a lot of small bolts to attach it to the plastic. A new hood will surely be expensive. Rob _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From curt at rustyiron.com Fri Mar 9 18:11:59 2012 From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 18:11:59 -0800 Subject: [SEL] gluing plastic OT In-Reply-To: <1331344310.44542.YahooMailClassic@web111710.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1331344310.44542.YahooMailClassic@web111710.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Tom, Do you have a thought on the material the hood is made of? Some of these are made in polycarbonate, since it's quite stable at higher temps. There are indeed specific glues for polycarbonate and I think glues for Lexan fall in this category. I'd focus first on identifying the material your hood is made of, then seek the appropriate adhesive. Curt Holland Bessemer City, NC > PC-7 is a two part epoxy with fiberglass. > I have used it on many types of plastic. > I had a 750 Honda that came with shattered side covers. > I taped them together on the face then smeared the back side with PC-7 and > when I took the tape off I installed the covers and nobody ever knew they > were damaged. > Five years later I traded that bike off and the covers still looked great. > > Alan in Michigan > > --- On Fri, 3/9/12, Rob Skinner wrote: > > > From: Rob Skinner > Subject: Re: [SEL] gluing plastic OT > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Date: Friday, March 9, 2012, 12:56 PM > > > > On Mar 9, 2012, at 9:12 AM, Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > >> I own a John Deere lawnmower with a plastic hood.?? I have developed a?? >> crack in the hood near where it latches on each side of the mower.?? At >> this?? >> same location the upper and lower halves of the hood are bolted together >> and >> the?? nut area has broken out a piece of the plastic.?? >> >> Any suggestions for a good thin "crazy" type glue.?? I need something?? >> thin >> that will go into the crack.??????At one time I worked for Eastman?? >> Kodak, and >> the Eastman 910 glue was great stuff.?? > > Back in the olden days, we frequently had problems with broken fenders on > motorcycles and other off road vehicles. I never found an adhesive that > was suitable, as the plastics used were made so that nothing stuck to > them. Kelley once brought home a plastic welder, but the results were not > that good, either. > > If the ???Hillbilly Look??� is ok, you might make a piece of sheet metal > to fit, then use a lot of small bolts to attach it to the plastic. A new > hood will surely be expensive. > > Rob > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From enginepaul at gmail.com Fri Mar 9 18:19:25 2012 From: enginepaul at gmail.com (STRAIGHT from SanFran) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 18:19:25 -0800 Subject: [SEL] gluing plastic OT In-Reply-To: <1331344310.44542.YahooMailClassic@web111710.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <2C2E94B5-18D7-4250-9F28-E8C434F15B7F@rustyiron.com> <1331344310.44542.YahooMailClassic@web111710.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: >From Wikipedia: "When added to baking soda (sodium bicarbonate), cyanoacrylate glue (Crazy Glue) forms a hard, lightweight filler/adhesive (baking soda is first used to fill a gap then the adhesive is dropped onto the baking soda). This works well with porous materials that the glue does not work well with alone. This method is sometimes used by aircraft modelers to assemble or repair polystyrene foam parts. It is also used to repair small nicks in the leading edge of composite propeller blades on light aircraft. Note that the reaction between cyanoacrylate and baking soda is very exothermic (heat-producing) and also produces noxious vapors. " There are also some safety warnings on Wiki, but this is one method that I have seen used. Google is our friend. Paul in California From rob at rustyiron.com Fri Mar 9 19:31:14 2012 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 19:31:14 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Lorenz Engine Movie Premier In-Reply-To: <6939F2DB21D94BB7BEEB9B48FD5AD2AC@marlin> References: <6939F2DB21D94BB7BEEB9B48FD5AD2AC@marlin> Message-ID: <918530DE-2D7F-476D-A583-098C1473479B@rustyiron.com> On Mar 3, 2012, at 8:20 AM, Rick I. wrote: > Thanks, Rob! I've got to say, that was a super job of movie production. > What video editting software did you use? Thanks, Rick. I use iMovie. It?s free, and it?s a very capable application. From Germoamer at aol.com Sat Mar 10 04:33:00 2012 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 07:33:00 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] gluing plastic OT Message-ID: <20bd8.290a021d.3c8ca3fc@aol.com> In a message dated 3/9/2012 9:20:56 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, curt at rustyiron.com writes: I'd focus first on identifying the material your hood is made of, then seek the appropriate adhesive ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------- Thanks for all the input fellas! I think I will contact JD and see if they will tell me type of plastic the hood is made out of, then go from there. PC-7 sounds mighty interesting and will look into it. I had also thought about drilling a hole at the end of the crack, just like we do on the old engines. Right now the entire hood is off the mower so not to damage any further. Thanks, Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at aol.com From Germoamer at aol.com Sat Mar 10 05:34:55 2012 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 08:34:55 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] gluing plastic OT Message-ID: <6c12.67adab6f.3c8cb27f@aol.com> In a message dated 3/10/2012 7:41:06 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, Germoamer at aol.com writes: Right now the entire hood is off the mower so not to damage any further ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------ Just did a Google search on John Deere hoods and the cracking is a very common problem and lots of folks searching for the right way to repair them. Seems like a fiberglass repair kit from auto parts may be the way to go. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at aol.com From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sat Mar 10 07:25:26 2012 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 07:25:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] gluing plastic OT In-Reply-To: <20bd8.290a021d.3c8ca3fc@aol.com> Message-ID: <1331393126.64071.YahooMailClassic@web111706.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> In the hardware stores around here there are bottles with all kinds of stuff glued to them with PC-7. With that hood off the mower it would be super easy to mix up some PC-7 and spread a layer on the underside.? It is stong stuff. Alan in Michigan --- On Sat, 3/10/12, Germoamer at aol.com wrote: From: Germoamer at aol.com Subject: Re: [SEL] gluing plastic OT To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Date: Saturday, March 10, 2012, 7:33 AM In a message dated 3/9/2012 9:20:56 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,? curt at rustyiron.com writes: I'd focus first on identifying the material your hood is made of,? then seek the appropriate adhesive ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------- Thanks for all the input fellas!? I think I will contact JD and see? if they will tell me type of plastic the hood is made out of, then go from? there. PC-7 sounds mighty interesting and will look into it.? I had? also thought about drilling a hole at the end of the crack, just like we do on? the old engines.? Right now the entire hood is off the mower so not to damage any? further.? Thanks,? Tom? Schmutz Concord, Va.? germoamer at aol.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ddotto at cableone.net Sat Mar 10 07:43:44 2012 From: ddotto at cableone.net (Dave Otto) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 08:43:44 -0700 Subject: [SEL] gluing plastic OT In-Reply-To: <6c12.67adab6f.3c8cb27f@aol.com> References: <6c12.67adab6f.3c8cb27f@aol.com> Message-ID: Hi Tom I found out just this week that there is a special repair kit for plastic automotive bumpers; it is available from that automotive body and paint suppliers. My coworker purchase one of these kits to repair the broken hood of a snowmobile. The kit is a two part material that comes in syringes with a special gun and mixing tube. It apparently has a working time of less than two minutes so one need to work quickly. The kit also has a roll of special reinforcing tape (probably some type of fiberglass); it is about 2" wide and looks like the stuff that you would use with drywall. So if you have a body and paint store near by you may want to check with them. Dave Dave Otto Boise, Idaho -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Germoamer at aol.com Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2012 6:35 AM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] gluing plastic OT In a message dated 3/10/2012 7:41:06 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, Germoamer at aol.com writes: Right now the entire hood is off the mower so not to damage any further ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------ Just did a Google search on John Deere hoods and the cracking is a very common problem and lots of folks searching for the right way to repair them. Seems like a fiberglass repair kit from auto parts may be the way to go. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at aol.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jerrye at databak.co.za Sat Mar 10 11:41:20 2012 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 21:41:20 +0200 Subject: [SEL] gluing plastic OT In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20120310194629.01f90d88@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> At 07:00 PM 10/03/12, you wrote: From: Germoamer at aol.com Subject: Re: [SEL] gluing plastic OT To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Date: Saturday, March 10, 2012, 7:33 AM In a message dated 3/9/2012 9:20:56 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,? curt at rustyiron.com writes: I'd focus first on identifying the material your hood is made of,? then seek the appropriate adhesive Thanks for all the input fellas!? I think I will contact JD and see? if they will tell me type of plastic the hood is made out of, then go from? there. PC-7 sounds mighty interesting and will look into it.? I had? also thought about drilling a hole at the end of the crack, just like we do on? the old engines.? Right now the entire hood is off the mower so not to damage any? further.? Thanks,? Tom? Schmutz Concord, Va.? germoamer at aol.com Hi Tom, I'm sorry to have got into this thread so late but I only get the SEL Digest version and that has just arrived. Plastics are my forte (been there since the early 70's). Here follows the long version answer :-) Curt is totally correct - step one is to identify the plastic used and then work from there. Forget about all the "miracle glues" on offer until you know what the plastic is. Firstly, you have to understand that there are certain popular plastics that just cannot be "glued" successfully. I'm not talking about "sticking" some gunk onto a piece of plastic - I mean creating a real and lasting bond. Others can be bonded and this is usually achieved by incorporating a solvent in the adhesive which will actually "melt" the original material to allow the compatible fillers to bond to the substrate - your PVC and ABS water pipes use this method. Some of those that cannot be "glued" are Polypropylene (PP), Polyethylene (PE) and of course Polytetraflouroethylene (PTFE or TEFLON). (PTFE can be bonded but only after a rather involved etching process). These are often used in applications where their "non-stick" properties are required. They are usually "Thermoplastics" (except PTFE) meaning (simply) that they can be reheated and reshaped as opposed to "Thermosets" which cure by chemical reaction and will not soften with the application of heat (but they may burn). The next thing to understand is that the manufacturing process is often the cause of the failure in the first place. For example, in injection moulding and blow moulding the molten plastic resin is forced into a mould cavity and then "force cooled" for speed of production. This results in what is referred to as "internal stresses" in the material. Imagine all those little molecules trying to "hold hands" comfortably but they are force cooled before they have had a chance to get comfortable so the molecular bonds are under stress. In cases where plastics are allowed to cool naturally after moulding there is a lot less "internal stress" because, in the natural cooling process the molecules actually have time to realign themselves to their neighbours (get comfortable). Have you ever experienced a domestic item like a bucket or basin which suddenly develops a crack for no apparent reason - that is a result of "stress relief" - it's had enough of the permanent stress and just lets go. In recent years it has been common practise to include "moulding marks" somewhere on the inside of the product. This is to help recyclers identify and sort the type of plastic used. Typically this will be a series of letters etc. actually incorporated in the mould and will include date of moulding, part number and other information. It will also include the type of plastic used usually in a diamond shape eg . PP (Polypropylene) PE (Polyethylene) PVC (Polyvinylchloride) ABS (Acrylonitrilebutadinestyrene) and so forth. If your moulding has this somewhere then you are already halfway to finding a solution by identifying the correct plastic. There should also be a "Recycle" logo. I would imagine that your bonnet is probably made from Polypropelene or Polyethylene - 2 of the cheapest and easiest plastics to mould from. If this is the case then forget about finding a suitable glue - there is NOT one. (Have you got duct tape :-)) As Rob mentioned, there is a welding gun available but unless you really know what you are doing then do not even try it. I have one and it works well if you know what it's all about but one of the main problems is finding a suitable plastic "welding rod" - it has to match the original material exactly - sometimes I have to cut slivers off the original material to use as a rod. The other problem is that in a moulded and force cooled product, as soon as you introduce heat you release more stress and the hole just gets bigger as the molecules "relax" even more. (Do not confuse this "heat welding" with "High frequency welding" as used on plasticised PVC - they are totally different processes). Motor vehicle bumpers today are usually plastic and cracks are repaired by welding. Plastic welding is very similar to gas welding (acetylene/oxygen) except that the heat is not a flame but rather a jet of very hot air which is used to melt the "welding rod" and the original surface together. It really is not very effective when welding injection moulded articles (like domestic buckets and basins) because of the stresses I've already mentioned. Apologies for the long answer but certain things cannot be explained in one paragraph. Feel free to contact me if I can be of more help. Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: <[1]www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm> References 1. http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm From spiveylk at gru.net Sat Mar 10 11:42:40 2012 From: spiveylk at gru.net (Lesley K. Spivey) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 14:42:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 96, Issue 8 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4F5BAEB0.5050709@gru.net> Lexan is a brand name for polycarbonate, like Chlorox for chlorine bleach. As far as I know auto plastic bumpers, etc. are ABS plastic (acrylonitrile butadiene styrene). It's normally black. I'm fairly sure that there are specialty glues for each of them, solvent type. I believe ABS glue can be found in plumbing supply places. Les On 10-Mar-12 12:00 PM, sel-request at lists.stationary-engine.com wrote: > Send SEL mailing list submissions to > sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > sel-request at lists.stationary-engine.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > sel-owner at lists.stationary-engine.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of SEL digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. gluing plastic OT (Germoamer at aol.com) > 2. Re: gluing plastic OT (Arnie Fero) > 3. Re: gluing plastic OT (Rob Skinner) > 4. Re: gluing plastic OT (Steve W.) > 5. Re: unknown engine (Mark Shulaw) > 6. Re: gluing plastic OT (Mark Shulaw) > 7. Re: gluing plastic OT (Mark L Shattuck) > 8. Re: gluing plastic OT (John Neth) > 9. Re: gluing plastic OT (Germoamer at aol.com) > 10. Re: unknown engine (Germoamer at aol.com) > 11. Re: gluing plastic OT (Mark Shulaw) > 12. Re: gluing plastic OT (Frank DeWitt LBP) > 13. Re: gluing plastic OT (Alan) > 14. Re: gluing plastic OT (curt at rustyiron.com) > 15. Re: gluing plastic OT (STRAIGHT from SanFran) > 16. Re: Lorenz Engine Movie Premier (Rob Skinner) > 17. Re: gluing plastic OT (Germoamer at aol.com) > 18. Re: gluing plastic OT (Germoamer at aol.com) > 19. Re: gluing plastic OT (Alan) > 20. Re: gluing plastic OT (Dave Otto) > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jerrye at databak.co.za Sun Mar 11 11:30:45 2012 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 20:30:45 +0200 Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 96, Issue 9 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20120311195240.00c496b8@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za> At 06:00 PM 11/03/12, you wrote: Message: 2 Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 14:42:40 -0500 From: "Lesley K. Spivey" Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 96, Issue 8 Lexan is a brand name for polycarbonate, like Chlorox for chlorine bleach. As far as I know auto plastic bumpers, etc. are ABS plastic (acrylonitrile butadiene styrene). It's normally black. I'm fairly sure that there are specialty glues for each of them, solvent type. I believe ABS glue can be found in plumbing supply places. Les Quite correct Les, Lexan is General Electric Plastics's registered Trade name for polycarbonate sheet (GE are now known as SABIC Innovative Plastics). There are a number of adhesives for polycarbonate usually incorporating a solvent which melts the Polycarb. I glue Polycarb very successfully for things like showcases with a straight solvent - Methylene Chloride. the 2 pieces of PC are placed in contact with each other (mating surfaces are important) and then the solvent is injected against the join with a syringe needle. Capillary action draws the solvent into the joint and the plastic melts together - the joint must not be moved for a while and the solvent is allowed to evaporate off leaving a beautiful clear bond of pure polycarbonate. There are various solvents which work. Acrylic (Plexiglas/Perspex)sheets are done the same way but with different solvents (I use Chloroform). Car bumpers do seem to be mostly made from ABS (but I've come across cheap aftermarket versions made from Polypropylene as well). ABS is very easy to glue also using solvents (Methyl Ethyl Ketone is one) but by far the easiest adhesive to obtain and use on ABS is the normal plumbing adhesive used on PVC piping - it works equally well on ABS. This contains a solvent to soften the plastic as well as certain compatible fillers. ABS (and PVC) are also very easy to paint as normal lacquer thinners etches into the surface allowing the paint to bond. (ABS is available in any colour you like - not just black.) P.S. If anyone on this list lives near Little Rock, Fort Smith or Springdale, Arkansas then pop in to a company there called Mr.Plastic and ask for Eugene Snyman. I had (and sold in 1986) a business in Johannesburg called Mr Plastic and we sold and fabricated engineering plastics. Eugene bought the business from me in 1986 and sold it a number of years later. He then moved to the USA and started again there - using the same logo and name. He will answer any plastic related question for you - see: <[1]http://mrplastic.us/about-mr-plastic.php> Keep the revs up (or down) Jerry Evans Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa. Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order: <[2]www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm> References 1. http://mrplastic.us/about-mr-plastic.php 2. http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm From MaytagTwin at aol.com Mon Mar 12 19:20:07 2012 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 22:20:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] gluing plastic OT Message-ID: <2ccc.1b369b1a.3c9008d7@aol.com> Hi Tom, A glue that I would try is named "GOOP" and is available at most hardware stores. It comes in a single tube and a tube costs about $5.00. It takes about 24 hours to dry to full strength. I would suggest you tape the pieces to be glued together with masking or duct tape on the outside, then apply glue from the inside, bending the cracks open and use a matchstick or Q-tip to get glue into the crack, then run a bead on the inside with the hood sitting in the shape you want it to remain. Ron PS: It should be OK to take the tape off after a couple of days. From oilengine at embarqmail.com Tue Mar 13 10:39:14 2012 From: oilengine at embarqmail.com (Russell Farmer) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 13:39:14 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.F.E.S. Annual dinner meeting. Message-ID: <1331660354.2521.0.camel@ubuntu> Oil Field Engine Society O.F.E.S. Annual dinner meeting. Sat. April 7, 2012 4pm. Hearthstone restaurant in Metamora Indiana. Kyle Blankenship our presiding Honoree will be announcing the 2012 recipient of the OFES Rube Goldberg award. Also our Grand Master Richard Dingman will be making his address and announcing his successor in office. Please pass the news along and give us an e-mail or call so we will have an estimate of how many will be attending. I look forward to seeing everyone there. (Local swap-meet, same day at Brookville, IN. 9 am to 3 pm.) Phone 1-937-456-9387 E-Mail oilengine at embarqmail.com Yours Fraternally; Russell Farmer From oldiron62 at gmail.com Mon Mar 12 23:20:43 2012 From: oldiron62 at gmail.com (oldiron62 at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 01:20:43 -0500 Subject: [SEL] gluing plastic OT References: <17039.22b9ec1f.3c8bd031@aol.com> Message-ID: <4C23BFF6CAFC4AD4A9F917B3E48D67FE@kevin762f9510f> Get a tube of, 3M Windo-weld. It will fix anything and last forever. Dont matter what the hood is made of. I used it last on a tire sidewall that had a steel post through it. Good luck Kevin > > It is a John Deere-John Deere and I do not even want to think what a new > hood would cost. I have been thinking of some "crazy" type glue in the > crack area and then maybe some fiberglass cloth bonding with something(?) > on > the inside of the hood. The crack is only a few inches long at this > point. > > Tom From jlb94 at juno.com Fri Mar 16 07:16:30 2012 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 14:16:30 GMT Subject: [SEL] =?windows-1252?q?Spam=3E_OT_-_Ford_Engine_Lifter?= Message-ID: <20120316.101630.27458.4@webmail09.vgs.untd.com> Hi Guys, I have an "Off Topic" question - - - In my '72 Ford engine, there is a valve lifter that keeps trying to collapse. If I stop the engine and count to 10, the lifter seems to recover. Question ::: Is it possible to remove Ford lifters without taking off the head and/or intake manifold and shied ? I am thinking of trying to insert something down through the push rod hole in the head and grab the lifter and pull it out. - - - Possible ? Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ (_0_) "Properly trained, A man can be dog?s best friend." (Cory Ford) ____________________________________________________________ 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4f634b9369ee020ddbf7st03vuc From rdhaskell at juno.com Fri Mar 16 08:30:05 2012 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 08:30:05 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Ford Engine Lifter? Message-ID: <20120316.083035.1661.262800@mailpop04.vgs.untd.com> Ford made a lot of engines in 1972, not sure which one you have. But I am sure none of them will allow lifters to come out of a push rod hole in the head. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 14:16:30 GMT "jlb94 at juno.com" writes: > Hi Guys, > I have an "Off Topic" question - - - > In my '72 Ford engine, there is a valve lifter that keeps trying to > collapse. If I stop the engine and count to 10, the lifter seems to > recover. > Question ::: Is it possible to remove Ford lifters without taking > off the head and/or intake manifold and shied ? > I am thinking of trying to insert something down through the push > rod hole in the head and grab the lifter and pull it out. - - - > Possible ? > > > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz > ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > \/)"(\/ > (_0_) "Properly trained, A man can be dog?s best friend." (Cory > Ford) ____________________________________________________________ Groupon™ Official Site 1 ridiculously huge coupon a day. Get 50-90% off your city's best! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4f635cc9c745f20e7a36st04vuc From swilliams268 at frontier.com Fri Mar 16 08:38:29 2012 From: swilliams268 at frontier.com (Steve W.) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 11:38:29 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Spam> OT - Ford Engine Lifter In-Reply-To: <20120316.101630.27458.4@webmail09.vgs.untd.com> References: <20120316.101630.27458.4@webmail09.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <4F635E75.5040402@frontier.com> jlb94 at juno.com wrote: > Hi Guys, > I have an "Off Topic" question - - - > In my '72 Ford engine, there is a valve lifter that keeps trying to collapse. If I stop the engine and count to 10, the lifter seems to recover. > Question ::: Is it possible to remove Ford lifters without taking off the head and/or intake manifold and shied ? > I am thinking of trying to insert something down through the push rod hole in the head and grab the lifter and pull it out. - - - Possible ? > > > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz > ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > \/)"(\/ > (_0_) "Properly trained, A man can be dog?s best friend." (Cory Ford) > Have you tried flushing the engine out with some cleaner? I use a mix of ATF and engine oil. 3 oil/2 ATF Start engine on regular oil. Drain oil while warm/hot. Put in mix, start engine and let it run a bit. Shut it off.and let it set 10-20 minutes. Restart and let it run 5 minutes or so. gently run the rpms up/down so the oil pressure can clean out the engine. Drain it out hot. Change the filter and put in clean oil. See what the lifter does now. Lifter problems are usually dirt/crud in the valving on them. Not possible to pull them without pulling the intake at least. -- Steve W. From enginepaul at gmail.com Fri Mar 16 09:30:07 2012 From: enginepaul at gmail.com (STRAIGHT from SanFran) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 09:30:07 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Spam> OT - Ford Engine Lifter In-Reply-To: <4F635E75.5040402@frontier.com> References: <20120316.101630.27458.4@webmail09.vgs.untd.com> <4F635E75.5040402@frontier.com> Message-ID: Not real help - just an opinion. I don't like the ATF deal although I have heard it is OK; I think it is too thin and solvent-like so it may knock out or loosen too much gunk. Hunks of sludge floating around may add to the problem. I used to use Casite in the oil but haven't needed it for a while, but it is still available. I don't recall which American manufacturer, but one said to run 5W oil for a while (standing still) and that will flush an engine. The lifter hole that is causing the problem (I'm guessing the hole) is small and that might bear on the method that you chose. Also: Google your engine (I'm guessing small block Ford) and the word "clubs" or "list" and you may find Ford people who are similar to the SEL people who had the same problem or would have good suggestions. Let us know what the final results are. Paul PS: Partial engine dis-assembly would be necessary and it may be a god time for a valve job. A manual would be of much help. On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 8:38 AM, Steve W. wrote: > jlb94 at juno.com wrote: >> Hi Guys, >> I have an "Off Topic" question - - - >> In my '72 Ford engine, there is a valve lifter that keeps trying to collapse. ?If I stop the engine and count to 10, the lifter seems to recover. >> Question ::: ? Is it possible to remove Ford lifters without taking off the head and/or intake manifold and shied ? >> I am thinking of trying to insert something down through the push rod hole in the head and grab the lifter and pull it out. ? - - - Possible ? >> >> >> >> Joe "Pip" Betz said that. >> jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz >> ?,-._,-. ? ? ?http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz >> ?\/)"(\/ >> ?(_0_) ? ?"Properly trained, ?A man can be dog?s best friend." (Cory Ford) >> > > Have you tried flushing the engine out with some cleaner? I use a mix of > ATF and engine oil. 3 oil/2 ATF Start engine on regular oil. Drain oil > while warm/hot. Put in mix, start engine and let it run a bit. Shut it > off.and let it set 10-20 minutes. Restart and let it run 5 minutes or > so. gently run the rpms up/down so the oil pressure can clean out the > engine. Drain it out hot. Change the filter and put in clean oil. See > what the lifter does now. Lifter problems are usually dirt/crud in the > valving on them. > > Not possible to pull them without pulling the intake at least. > > -- > Steve W. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From krit33 at comcast.net Fri Mar 16 09:49:00 2012 From: krit33 at comcast.net (krit33 at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 16:49:00 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [SEL] Spam> OT - Ford Engine Lifter In-Reply-To: <4F635E75.5040402@frontier.com> Message-ID: <1425166040.134892.1331916540315.JavaMail.root@sz0088a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> No matter what you'll have to take the intake manifold off. With the intake removed you should be able to see and get to the lifter. Of course you will have to take that rocker off and remove the push rod also.---- Original Message ----- From: Steve W. <swilliams268 at frontier.com> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> Sent: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 15:38:29 -0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [SEL] Spam> OT - Ford Engine Lifter jlb94 at juno.com wrote: > Hi Guys, > I have an "Off Topic" question - - - > In my '72 Ford engine, there is a valve lifter that keeps trying to collapse. If I stop the engine and count to 10, the lifter seems to recover. > Question ::: Is it possible to remove Ford lifters without taking off the head and/or intake manifold and shied ? > I am thinking of trying to insert something down through the push rod hole in the head and grab the lifter and pull it out. - - - Possible ? > > > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz > ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > \/)"(\/ > (_0_) "Properly trained, A man can be dog?s best friend." (Cory Ford) > Have you tried flushing the engine out with some cleaner? I use a mix of ATF and engine oil. 3 oil/2 ATF Start engine on regular oil. Drain oil while warm/hot. Put in mix, start engine and let it run a bit. Shut it off.and let it set 10-20 minutes. Restart and let it run 5 minutes or so. gently run the rpms up/down so the oil pressure can clean out the engine. Drain it out hot. Change the filter and put in clean oil. See what the lifter does now. Lifter problems are usually dirt/crud in the valving on them. Not possible to pull them without pulling the intake at least. -- Steve W. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From skipcleveland at cfl.rr.com Fri Mar 16 10:02:18 2012 From: skipcleveland at cfl.rr.com (SKIP CLEVELAND) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 13:02:18 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Spam> OT - Ford Engine Lifter References: <20120316.101630.27458.4@webmail09.vgs.untd.com><4F635E75.5040402@frontier.com> Message-ID: <21F5887A83FF46A4BF5C9582B44F0555@YOURDA6F5028CB> I used Marvel mysetry oil in a Ford truck that the help hadn't ever changed the oil, the lifters were clattering badly. It cleared out the passages and holes quickly, dumped all the sluge in the crank case, plugged up the oil pump screen (now submerged in sluge) and the engine promptly unraveled! Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: "STRAIGHT from SanFran" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 12:30 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Spam> OT - Ford Engine Lifter Not real help - just an opinion. I don't like the ATF deal although I have heard it is OK; I think it is too thin and solvent-like so it may knock out or loosen too much gunk. Hunks of sludge floating around may add to the problem. I used to use Casite in the oil but haven't needed it for a while, but it is still available. I don't recall which American manufacturer, but one said to run 5W oil for a while (standing still) and that will flush an engine. The lifter hole that is causing the problem (I'm guessing the hole) is small and that might bear on the method that you chose. Also: Google your engine (I'm guessing small block Ford) and the word "clubs" or "list" and you may find Ford people who are similar to the SEL people who had the same problem or would have good suggestions. Let us know what the final results are. Paul PS: Partial engine dis-assembly would be necessary and it may be a god time for a valve job. A manual would be of much help. On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 8:38 AM, Steve W. wrote: > jlb94 at juno.com wrote: >> Hi Guys, >> I have an "Off Topic" question - - - >> In my '72 Ford engine, there is a valve lifter that keeps trying to collapse. If I stop the engine and count to 10, the lifter >> seems to recover. >> Question ::: Is it possible to remove Ford lifters without taking off the head and/or intake manifold and shied ? >> I am thinking of trying to insert something down through the push rod hole in the head and grab the lifter and pull it out. - - - >> Possible ? >> >> >> >> Joe "Pip" Betz said that. >> jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz >> ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz >> \/)"(\/ >> (_0_) "Properly trained, A man can be dog?s best friend." (Cory Ford) >> > > Have you tried flushing the engine out with some cleaner? I use a mix of > ATF and engine oil. 3 oil/2 ATF Start engine on regular oil. Drain oil > while warm/hot. Put in mix, start engine and let it run a bit. Shut it > off.and let it set 10-20 minutes. Restart and let it run 5 minutes or > so. gently run the rpms up/down so the oil pressure can clean out the > engine. Drain it out hot. Change the filter and put in clean oil. See > what the lifter does now. Lifter problems are usually dirt/crud in the > valving on them. > > Not possible to pull them without pulling the intake at least. > > -- > Steve W. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jbcast at charter.net Fri Mar 16 10:31:59 2012 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 13:31:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Spam> OT - Ford Engine Lifter Message-ID: <4974858e.44ceee.1361c90e446.Webtop.46@charter.net> I've changed lifters on Chevy's without pulling the manifold, biggest problem is getting the lifter out of the hole, you have to use a small magnet and keep working it up and down with carb cleaner sprayed around it. Once removed it can be fished out of the distributor hole. Run a piece of tie wire down the pushrod hole and out of the distributor hole, tie the lifter to it by making several wraps around it and bend the wire to have it coming up like the pushrod. Feed it back in to the hole and work it in to place. A little side marker bulb soldered to wires and run under the manifold provides light to get a glimpse of whats going on. Before doing this be sure you have good oil pressure, install a manual gauge if necessary. It's common on Fords for the oil pump screen to become clogged, starving the engine for oil. Stooping lets the trash settle and gain pressure for a few minutes. J.B. Castagnos On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 9:16 AM, jlb94 at juno.com wrote: > Hi Guys, > I have an "Off Topic" question - - - In my '72 Ford engine, there is a > valve lifter that keeps trying to collapse. If I stop the engine and > count to 10, the lifter seems to recover. Question ::: Is it > possible to remove Ford lifters without taking off the head and/or > intake manifold and shied ? > I am thinking of trying to insert something down through the push rod > hole in the head and grab the lifter and pull it out. - - - Possible > ? > > > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - > www.oldengine.org/members/betz > ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > \/)"(\/ (_0_) "Properly trained, A man can be dog?s > best friend." (Cory Ford) > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 > The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4f634b9369ee020ddbf7st03vuc > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Mar 16 11:38:16 2012 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 14:38:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Spam> OT - Ford Engine Lifter In-Reply-To: <4974858e.44ceee.1361c90e446.Webtop.46@charter.net> References: <4974858e.44ceee.1361c90e446.Webtop.46@charter.net> Message-ID: JB, you are amazing.... On Fri, March 16, 2012 1:31 pm, jbcast at charter.net wrote: > I've changed lifters on Chevy's without pulling the manifold, biggest > problem is getting the lifter out of the hole, you have to use a small > magnet and keep working it up and down with carb cleaner sprayed around > it. Once removed it can be fished out of the distributor hole. Run a > piece of tie wire down the pushrod hole and out of the distributor hole, > tie the lifter to it by making several wraps around it and bend the wire > to have it coming up like the pushrod. Feed it back in to the hole and > work it in to place. A little side marker bulb soldered to wires and run > under the manifold provides light to get a glimpse of whats going on. > Before doing this be sure you have good oil pressure, install a manual > gauge if necessary. It's common on Fords for the oil pump screen to > become clogged, starving the engine for oil. Stooping lets the trash > settle and gain pressure for a few minutes. > J.B. Castagnos From enginepaul at gmail.com Fri Mar 16 12:00:03 2012 From: enginepaul at gmail.com (STRAIGHT from SanFran) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 12:00:03 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Spam> OT - Ford Engine Lifter In-Reply-To: <6bfd7d539a2e225e1b2acaeba8bf6941.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com> References: <20120316.101630.27458.4@webmail09.vgs.untd.com> <4F635E75.5040402@frontier.com> <6bfd7d539a2e225e1b2acaeba8bf6941.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com> Message-ID: Arnie: No, I don't think so - but I now know that spell-check doesn't check capitalization. And I would have capitalized. Paul - Good God - some people actually read! On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 9:50 AM, Arnie Fero wrote: > God does valve jobs? ?Cool... ?I may need to re-think the whole athiest > thing. ?8-)) > > On Fri, March 16, 2012 12:30 pm, STRAIGHT from SanFran wrote: >> >> PS: Partial engine dis-assembly would be necessary and it may be a god >> time for a valve job. A manual would be of much help. > > > From rob at rustyiron.com Fri Mar 16 12:32:04 2012 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 12:32:04 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Spam> OT - Ford Engine Lifter In-Reply-To: References: <4974858e.44ceee.1361c90e446.Webtop.46@charter.net> Message-ID: I concur. The explanation sounds similar to performing heart surgery using a catheter through the femoral artery. Rob On Mar 16, 2012, at 11:38 AM, Arnie Fero wrote: > JB, you are amazing?. > On Fri, March 16, 2012 1:31 pm, jbcast at charter.net wrote: >> I've changed lifters on Chevy's without pulling the manifold, biggest >> problem is getting the lifter out of the hole, you have to use a small >> magnet and keep working it up and down with carb cleaner sprayed around >> it. Once removed it can be fished out of the distributor hole. Run a >> piece of tie wire down the pushrod hole and out of the distributor hole, From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Mar 16 12:50:33 2012 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 15:50:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Spam> OT - Ford Engine Lifter In-Reply-To: References: <4974858e.44ceee.1361c90e446.Webtop.46@charter.net> Message-ID: <65f238d54af44ca7678cbe71b88be31f.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com> Or this old wheeze... A gynecologist had become fed up with malpractice insurance and was on the verge of being burned out. Hoping to try another career where skillful hands would be beneficial, he decided to change careers and become a mechanic. He found out from the local technical college what was involved, signed up for evening classes, attended diligently, and learned all he could. When the time for the practical exam approached, the gynecologist prepared carefully for weeks, and completed the exam with tremendous skill. When the results came back, he was surprised to find that he had obtained a score of 150%. Fearing an error, he called the instructor, saying "I don't want to appear ungrateful for such an outstanding result, but I wondered if there had been an error which needed adjusting." The instructor said, "During the exam, you took the engine apart perfectly, which was worth 50% of the total mark. You put the engine back together again perfectly, which is also worth 50% of the mark. The instructor went on to say, "I gave you an extra 50% because you did all of it through the muffler." Arnie On Fri, March 16, 2012 3:32 pm, Rob Skinner wrote: > I concur. The explanation sounds similar to performing heart surgery using > a catheter through the femoral artery. > > Rob > > > On Mar 16, 2012, at 11:38 AM, Arnie Fero wrote: >> JB, you are amazing . From oldengin1 at gmail.com Fri Mar 16 12:55:43 2012 From: oldengin1 at gmail.com (Leroy Clark) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 15:55:43 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Spam> OT - Ford Engine Lifter In-Reply-To: References: <4974858e.44ceee.1361c90e446.Webtop.46@charter.net> Message-ID: Rob you scare me.... On Mar 16, 2012 3:42 PM, "Rob Skinner" wrote: I concur. The explanation sounds similar to performing heart surgery using a catheter through the femoral artery. Rob On Mar 16, 2012, at 11:38 AM, Arnie Fero wrote: > JB, you are amazing?. > On Fri, March 16, 2012 1:31 pm, jbcast at charter.net wrote: >> I've changed lifters on Chevy's wit... _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com htt... From jlb94 at juno.com Fri Mar 16 13:11:59 2012 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 20:11:59 GMT Subject: [SEL] OT - Lifter Question Message-ID: <20120316.161159.13951.0@webmail04.vgs.untd.com> Thanks to everyone that responded to my "taking a lifter out of my engine" OT question. There sure is a wealth of information with the SEL members. It was something I might be willing to try if it was possible. I never gave it a thought about the pushrod holes in the head being smaller than the lifter diameter, even IF you could get it out of the lifter hole. I know the engine could use a good flushing. I might think of using 5W oil and give that a try. In the last few years I stopped changing the oil. It leaks so much oil that I usually just add oil when needed and change the filter every six months. I'll have to dig out the old Ford Shop Manuals and see what the pictures tell me. Oh Yes, - - - The engine is a 360 ci.. Back in 1984, I did something with the top of the engine and had to take off the intake. Well, if I was that far, I might as well take out the tin and see what's under there. And - Now that I'm this far,I might as well take off this - or - that and, being this far, I might as well pull the pan and look at the bearings. And, being this far, etc. etc. etc. - - - The end result was an engine rebuild. I REALLY DO NOT want to get into that again on a 40 year old truck - - - But - - - I really DO LOVE THAT TRUCK !!! Thanks again to everyone that responded. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ (_0_) "Properly trained, A man can be dog?s best friend." (Cory Ford) ____________________________________________________________ 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4f639ea597ccd243990fst02vuc From rob at rustyiron.com Fri Mar 16 15:09:52 2012 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 15:09:52 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Spam> OT - Ford Engine Lifter In-Reply-To: <65f238d54af44ca7678cbe71b88be31f.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com> References: <4974858e.44ceee.1361c90e446.Webtop.46@charter.net> <65f238d54af44ca7678cbe71b88be31f.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com> Message-ID: <6CC2C87F-0B3D-43E0-8B57-7714DA48D173@rustyiron.com> On Mar 16, 2012, at 12:50 PM, Arnie Fero wrote: > > A gynecologist had become fed up with malpractice insurance > and was on the verge of being burned out. Hoping to try > another career where skillful hands would be beneficial, he > decided to change careers and become a mechanic. I hear that on Tuesdays, JB will throw in a free gynecological exam with every oil change. From christison at coastalnet.com Fri Mar 16 17:19:17 2012 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 20:19:17 -0400 Subject: [SEL] off topic: Crawford Stirling in UK Message-ID: <4F63D885.5080806@coastalnet.com> I just had a fellow contact me who is trying to contact Crawford Sterling of the UK. He has a collection of mills, two of which I have pictured on one of my websites. The website he had that featured his collection is no longer available. Do any of our engine friends across the water have any information on this gentleman, particularly an email address? Thank you. Ken From rotigel at me.com Fri Mar 16 17:43:19 2012 From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 20:43:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Spam> OT - Ford Engine Lifter In-Reply-To: <6CC2C87F-0B3D-43E0-8B57-7714DA48D173@rustyiron.com> References: <4974858e.44ceee.1361c90e446.Webtop.46@charter.net> <65f238d54af44ca7678cbe71b88be31f.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com> <6CC2C87F-0B3D-43E0-8B57-7714DA48D173@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <23E5B36F-589F-4343-BE91-B0F97B97CBC5@me.com> True, but LOOK OUT for Thursday night! Dave On Mar 16, 2012, at 6:09 PM, Rob Skinner wrote: > > I hear that on Tuesdays, JB will throw in a free gynecological exam with every oil change. > > > From jbcast at charter.net Fri Mar 16 19:31:15 2012 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 22:31:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] OT - Lifter Question Message-ID: <1cd6347d.ddf51.1361e7e9b17.Webtop.43@charter.net> Joe, take the cover off and look, these engines had rocker shafts, I beleive there's plenty of room to remove the lifters. J.B. On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 3:11 PM, jlb94 at juno.com wrote: > Thanks to everyone that responded to my "taking a lifter out of my > engine" OT question. > There sure is a wealth of information with the SEL members. > It was something I might be willing to try if it was possible. I > never gave it a thought about the pushrod holes in the head being > smaller than the lifter diameter, even IF you could get it out of the > lifter hole. > I know the engine could use a good flushing. I might think of using > 5W oil and give that a try. > In the last few years I stopped changing the oil. It leaks so much > oil that I usually just add oil when needed and change the filter > every six months. > I'll have to dig out the old Ford Shop Manuals and see what the > pictures tell me. > Oh Yes, - - - The engine is a 360 ci.. Back in 1984, I did something > with the top of the engine and had to take off the intake. Well, if I > was that far, I might as well take out the tin and see what's under > there. And - Now that I'm this far,I might as well take off this - or > - that and, being this far, I might as well pull the pan and look at > the bearings. And, being this far, etc. etc. etc. - - - The end > result was an engine rebuild. > I REALLY DO NOT want to get into that again on a 40 year old truck - - > - But - - - I really DO LOVE THAT TRUCK !!! > Thanks again to everyone that responded. > > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - > www.oldengine.org/members/betz > ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > \/)"(\/ (_0_) "Properly trained, A man can be dog?s > best friend." (Cory Ford) > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 > The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4f639ea597ccd243990fst02vuc > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jlb94 at juno.com Fri Mar 16 21:06:21 2012 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 04:06:21 GMT Subject: [SEL] OT - Lifter Question Message-ID: <20120317.000621.14956.1@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> Thanks JB, This is not something I'm going to do right away unless the problem gets worse. I have plenty of other stuff going on right now. Thanks - will look and see. I will let you know when I take a look. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ (_0_) "Properly trained, A man can be dog?s best friend." (Cory Ford) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: jbcast at charter.net To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] OT - Lifter Question Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 22:31:15 -0400 (EDT) Joe, take the cover off and look, these engines had rocker shafts, I beleive there's plenty of room to remove the lifters. J.B. On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 3:11 PM, jlb94 at juno.com wrote: > Thanks to everyone that responded to my "taking a lifter out of my > engine" OT question. > There sure is a wealth of information with the SEL members. > It was something I might be willing to try if it was possible. I > never gave it a thought about the pushrod holes in the head being > smaller than the lifter diameter, even IF you could get it out of the > lifter hole. > I know the engine could use a good flushing. I might think of using > 5W oil and give that a try. > In the last few years I stopped changing the oil. It leaks so much > oil that I usually just add oil when needed and change the filter > every six months. > I'll have to dig out the old Ford Shop Manuals and see what the > pictures tell me. > Oh Yes, - - - The engine is a 360 ci.. Back in 1984, I did something > with the top of the engine and had to take off the intake. Well, if I > was that far, I might as well take out the tin and see what's under > there. And - Now that I'm this far,I might as well take off this - or > - that and, being this far, I might as well pull the pan and look at > the bearings. And, being this far, etc. etc. etc. - - - The end > result was an engine rebuild. > I REALLY DO NOT want to get into that again on a 40 year old truck - - > - But - - - I really DO LOVE THAT TRUCK !!! > Thanks again to everyone that responded. > > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - > www.oldengine.org/members/betz > ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > \/)"(\/ (_0_) "Properly trained, A man can be dog???s > best friend." (Cory Ford) > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 > The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4f639ea597ccd243990fst02vuc > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rustyiron1 at bigpond.com Fri Mar 16 21:13:25 2012 From: rustyiron1 at bigpond.com (Andy Nicholson) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 14:13:25 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Spam> OT - Ford Engine Lifter References: <20120316.101630.27458.4@webmail09.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <9C17DC2E262E4C878870BD562C9B04C4@owner916e4fa44> Hello Joe, The Ford engines here in Australia, the lifters can't be removed with out taking off the head on 6 cyl's or valley cover on the V8's. There are oil additives that could help, but are only a temp measure, ie like if you'er selling the vehicle. Andy........ ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 12:16 AM Subject: [SEL] Spam> OT - Ford Engine Lifter Hi Guys, I have an "Off Topic" question - - - In my '72 Ford engine, there is a valve lifter that keeps trying to collapse. If I stop the engine and count to 10, the lifter seems to recover. Question ::: Is it possible to remove Ford lifters without taking off the head and/or intake manifold and shied ? I am thinking of trying to insert something down through the push rod hole in the head and grab the lifter and pull it out. - - - Possible ? Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ (_0_) "Properly trained, A man can be dog?s best friend." (Cory Ford) ____________________________________________________________ 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4f634b9369ee020ddbf7st03vuc _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From sluggo54 at hotmail.com Sat Mar 17 14:15:35 2012 From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (=?utf-8?B?c2x1Z2dvNTRAaG90bWFpbC5jb20=?=) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 16:15:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] =?utf-8?q?OT_Ford_lifter?= Message-ID: I remember my dad pulling lifters out of his 332 1959 Ford. I don't remember for sure what had to come off, but I think it was just the valve covers and rocker shafts. He made s tool by carefully putting three bends in a hacksaw blade, forming a tweezer with splayed-out feet on the business end. He squeezed it together, inserted the frog feet into the top of the lifter, and pulled it out. On a couple he had to wedge something down the tweezer to maintain grip. Meantime, I made labeled containers to hold them so they would go back where they came from. We boiled them to soften the varnish so they could be disassembled, then used denatured alcohol to remove the varnish. Assemble, drop in a cup of oil for a few minutes, then back into the engine they went. Ever after he used Royal Triton oil, and had no problems. His next car was a Buick. Bruce Younger Testing Hornady's new Zombie ammunition. From maytagtwin at aol.com Sat Mar 17 18:59:14 2012 From: maytagtwin at aol.com (maytagtwin at aol.com) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 21:59:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] OT Ford lifter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CED2C1DA76F056-848-9C66@Webmail-d113.sysops.aol.com> Hi Bruce, I didn't think anyone but me remembered Royal Triton oil. The Hudson dealer in Leavenworth recommended it and I used it in my Hudson Hornets for years. I had to replace a crankcase oil pan once after running over an african american head size rock. The replacement pan came from a junk yard donor and I steam cleaned it to get it clean of years of crud. The damaged pan was clean inside as it came off the engine. There was no sludge buildup with the Royal Triton. Ron PS: I haven't seen any in years. It was a product of the Union Oil Company of California. -----Original Message----- From: sluggo54 To: sel Sent: Sat, Mar 17, 2012 4:21 pm Subject: [SEL] OT Ford lifter I remember my dad pulling lifters out of his 332 1959 Ford. I don't remember or sure what had to come off, but I think it was just the valve covers and ocker shafts. He made s tool by carefully putting three bends in a hacksaw lade, forming a tweezer with splayed-out feet on the business end. He squeezed t together, inserted the frog feet into the top of the lifter, and pulled it ut. On a couple he had to wedge something down the tweezer to maintain grip. eantime, I made labeled containers to hold them so they would go back where hey came from. We boiled them to soften the varnish so they could be isassembled, then used denatured alcohol to remove the varnish. Assemble, drop n a cup of oil for a few minutes, then back into the engine they went. ver after he used Royal Triton oil, and had no problems. is next car was a Buick. Bruce Younger esting Hornady's new Zombie ammunition. ______________________________________________ EL mailing list EL at lists.stationary-engine.com ttp://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Sun Mar 18 02:03:53 2012 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2012 20:03:53 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Canberra Rally 2012 Message-ID: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/can12/index.htm From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sun Mar 18 07:23:12 2012 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2012 08:23:12 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT Ford lifter In-Reply-To: <8CED2C1DA76F056-848-9C66@Webmail-d113.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CED2C1DA76F056-848-9C66@Webmail-d113.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I did Union 76 for a couple years. We called it grape juice under our breath. Super high detergent it wouldn't stay in a tired engine, but was good on fresh ones. I don't know if it's still around or not. RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 7:59 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Ford lifter > > Hi Bruce, > I didn't think anyone but me remembered Royal Triton oil. The Hudson > dealer in Leavenworth recommended it and I used it in my Hudson Hornets > for years. I had to replace a crankcase oil pan once after running over > an african american head size rock. The replacement pan came from a junk > yard donor and I steam cleaned it to get it clean of years of crud. The > damaged pan was clean inside as it came off the engine. There was no > sludge buildup with the Royal Triton. > > Ron > PS: I haven't seen any in years. It was a product of the Union Oil > Company of California. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sluggo54 > To: sel > Sent: Sat, Mar 17, 2012 4:21 pm > Subject: [SEL] OT Ford lifter > > > I remember my dad pulling lifters out of his 332 1959 Ford. I don't > remember > or sure what had to come off, but I think it was just the valve covers and > ocker shafts. He made s tool by carefully putting three bends in a > hacksaw > lade, forming a tweezer with splayed-out feet on the business end. He > squeezed > t together, inserted the frog feet into the top of the lifter, and pulled > it > ut. On a couple he had to wedge something down the tweezer to maintain > grip. > eantime, I made labeled containers to hold them so they would go back > where > hey came from. We boiled them to soften the varnish so they could be > isassembled, then used denatured alcohol to remove the varnish. Assemble, > drop > n a cup of oil for a few minutes, then back into the engine they went. > ver after he used Royal Triton oil, and had no problems. > is next car was a Buick. > Bruce Younger > esting Hornady's new Zombie ammunition. > ______________________________________________ > EL mailing list > EL at lists.stationary-engine.com > ttp://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rob at rustyiron.com Sun Mar 18 08:42:00 2012 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2012 08:42:00 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Canberra Rally 2012 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mar 18, 2012, at 2:03 AM, Patrick Livingstone wrote: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/can12/index.htm > Looks like it was a pretty day to be playing with some nice engines, Patrick. From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Mar 18 09:08:49 2012 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2012 12:08:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Canberra Rally 2012 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4ec7bf653a14d637f8edf06853c8dd34.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com> G'day Patrick, Man, that Dalgety is one neat looking engine. Never saw one of those before. http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/can12/pages/can2012rally%20104_jpg.htm See ya, Arnie On Sun, March 18, 2012 5:03 am, Patrick Livingstone wrote: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/can12/index.htm > > > > To UN-subscribe, send a message to: > > stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org > with: > unsubscribe > in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. > From rob at rustyiron.com Sun Mar 18 09:13:04 2012 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2012 09:13:04 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Canberra Rally 2012 In-Reply-To: <4ec7bf653a14d637f8edf06853c8dd34.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com> References: <4ec7bf653a14d637f8edf06853c8dd34.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com> Message-ID: <0C1AD739-894C-413B-9A0D-4A9B85F40540@rustyiron.com> On Mar 18, 2012, at 9:08 AM, Arnie Fero wrote: > G'day Patrick, > > Man, that Dalgety is one neat looking engine. > Never saw one of those before. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/can12/pages/can2012rally%20104_jpg.htm Tangye. From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Mar 18 09:31:32 2012 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2012 12:31:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Canberra Rally 2012 In-Reply-To: <0C1AD739-894C-413B-9A0D-4A9B85F40540@rustyiron.com> References: <4ec7bf653a14d637f8edf06853c8dd34.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com> <0C1AD739-894C-413B-9A0D-4A9B85F40540@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: Ahhh, then Dalgety must be the Oz importer? Thanks Rob! Still a neat looking engine. On Sun, March 18, 2012 12:13 pm, Rob Skinner wrote: > > On Mar 18, 2012, at 9:08 AM, Arnie Fero wrote: >> Man, that Dalgety is one neat looking engine. >> Never saw one of those before. >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/can12/pages/can2012rally%20104_jpg.htm > > Tangye. > From rob at rustyiron.com Sun Mar 18 09:35:33 2012 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2012 09:35:33 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Canberra Rally 2012 In-Reply-To: References: <4ec7bf653a14d637f8edf06853c8dd34.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com> <0C1AD739-894C-413B-9A0D-4A9B85F40540@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <3B12A579-863A-4DCF-9920-EDC0EA8C8A68@rustyiron.com> On Mar 18, 2012, at 9:31 AM, Arnie Fero wrote: > Ahhh, then Dalgety must be the Oz importer? Thanks Rob! > Still a neat looking engine. Yeah. I wouldn?t toss it out of my shed just on account of the Aussie tag. From oldironnut at windstream.net Sun Mar 18 14:02:49 2012 From: oldironnut at windstream.net (Michael Tucker) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2012 17:02:49 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Online Engine Auction In-Reply-To: References: <8CED2C1DA76F056-848-9C66@Webmail-d113.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: If you're looking for a parts engine or a good project engine you may want to take a look at this online engine auction? quick before they get covered with a tarp at the Royster Engine Ranch! http://www.aumannauctions.com/index.php?subp=1&sct=2&pg=ap&pid=25323 Have fun, Mike From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk Sun Mar 18 14:53:11 2012 From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (Craig Morrison) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2012 21:53:11 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Online Engine Auction References: <8CED2C1DA76F056-848-9C66@Webmail-d113.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4A29015A46B2498C9F2FC70733BF2372@craig8b4f43368> Mike, Just registered for this auction, and I would say that all of this iron will definitely be staying on your side of the pond, I agree that there are plenty of possible projects to be purchased via this auction. Craig ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Tucker" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 9:02 PM Subject: [SEL] Online Engine Auction If you're looking for a parts engine or a good project engine you may want to take a look at this online engine auction? quick before they get covered with a tarp at the Royster Engine Ranch! http://www.aumannauctions.com/index.php?subp=1&sct=2&pg=ap&pid=25323 Have fun, Mike _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From mr at carolina.rr.com Sun Mar 18 19:31:55 2012 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2012 22:31:55 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Online Engine Auction In-Reply-To: References: <8CED2C1DA76F056-848-9C66@Webmail-d113.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <7B4A9992C233413FBD31DD24D3820B7C@RoysterPC> Chances are Miles and I may go there, or I may go pick up an engine for a friend if he wins it. If I can assist anyone please make arrangements with me prior to the auction! Have trailer, will travel! MR -----Original Message----- From: Michael Tucker Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 5:02 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Online Engine Auction If you're looking for a parts engine or a good project engine you may want to take a look at this online engine auction? quick before they get covered with a tarp at the Royster Engine Ranch! http://www.aumannauctions.com/index.php?subp=1&sct=2&pg=ap&pid=25323 Have fun, Mike _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From mr at carolina.rr.com Sun Mar 18 19:45:21 2012 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2012 22:45:21 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Online Engine Auction In-Reply-To: <4A29015A46B2498C9F2FC70733BF2372@craig8b4f43368> References: <8CED2C1DA76F056-848-9C66@Webmail-d113.sysops.aol.com> <4A29015A46B2498C9F2FC70733BF2372@craig8b4f43368> Message-ID: <9CE5C44C1E7E434583389B7800311B55@RoysterPC> If you buy it, I will ship it! You is a pal, after all! MR -----Original Message----- From: Craig Morrison Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 5:53 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Online Engine Auction Mike, Just registered for this auction, and I would say that all of this iron will definitely be staying on your side of the pond, I agree that there are plenty of possible projects to be purchased via this auction. Craig ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Tucker" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 9:02 PM Subject: [SEL] Online Engine Auction If you're looking for a parts engine or a good project engine you may want to take a look at this online engine auction? quick before they get covered with a tarp at the Royster Engine Ranch! http://www.aumannauctions.com/index.php?subp=1&sct=2&pg=ap&pid=25323 Have fun, Mike _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Mon Mar 19 03:35:16 2012 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 21:35:16 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Canberra Rally 2012 In-Reply-To: <4ec7bf653a14d637f8edf06853c8dd34.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com> Message-ID: Hi Arnie, It is a Tangye portable sold by Dalgety in Sydney. Hopefully I will get the captions on the pics in the next few days. In the meantime here are some YouTube videos: My Challenge: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVdDpSoE2Qk Throttle-governed IHC Famous 4hp http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnQqYPcy5B4 Kynoch portable: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTNZAouPPdc Patrick On 19/3/12 3:08 AM, "Arnie Fero" wrote: > G'day Patrick, > > Man, that Dalgety is one neat looking engine. > Never saw one of those before. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/can12/pages/can2012rally%20104_jpg.htm > > See ya, Arnie > > On Sun, March 18, 2012 5:03 am, Patrick Livingstone wrote: >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/can12/index.htm >> >> >> >> To UN-subscribe, send a message to: >> >> stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org >> with: >> unsubscribe >> in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. >> > > > > To UN-subscribe, send a message to: > > stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org > with: > unsubscribe > in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. Patrick M Livingstone 0418 692013 Earlwood NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Mar 19 08:27:51 2012 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 15:27:51 GMT Subject: [SEL] OT Ford lifter Message-ID: <20120319.112751.24874.4@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> Hi Rick, WOW !!! Haven't seen that in many years. Is 76 still around ??? Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ (_0_) "Properly trained, A man can be dog?s best friend." (Cory Ford) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Ford lifter Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2012 08:23:12 -0600 I did Union 76 for a couple years. We called it grape juice under our breath. Super high detergent it wouldn't stay in a tired engine, but was good on fresh ones. I don't know if it's still around or not. RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 7:59 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Ford lifter > > Hi Bruce, > I didn't think anyone but me remembered Royal Triton oil. The Hudson > dealer in Leavenworth recommended it and I used it in my Hudson Hornets > for years. I had to replace a crankcase oil pan once after running over > an african american head size rock. The replacement pan came from a junk > yard donor and I steam cleaned it to get it clean of years of crud. The > damaged pan was clean inside as it came off the engine. There was no > sludge buildup with the Royal Triton. > > Ron > PS: I haven't seen any in years. It was a product of the Union Oil > Company of California. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sluggo54 > To: sel > Sent: Sat, Mar 17, 2012 4:21 pm > Subject: [SEL] OT Ford lifter > > > I remember my dad pulling lifters out of his 332 1959 Ford. I don't > remember > or sure what had to come off, but I think it was just the valve covers and > ocker shafts. He made s tool by carefully putting three bends in a > hacksaw > lade, forming a tweezer with splayed-out feet on the business end. He > squeezed > t together, inserted the frog feet into the top of the lifter, and pulled > it > ut. On a couple he had to wedge something down the tweezer to maintain > grip. > eantime, I made labeled containers to hold them so they would go back > where > hey came from. We boiled them to soften the varnish so they could be > isassembled, then used denatured alcohol to remove the varnish. Assemble, > drop > n a cup of oil for a few minutes, then back into the engine they went. > ver after he used Royal Triton oil, and had no problems. > is next car was a Buick. > Bruce Younger > esting Hornady's new Zombie ammunition. > ______________________________________________ > EL mailing list > EL at lists.stationary-engine.com > ttp://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ____________________________________________________________ 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4f6750ce24c6322c8f1ast03vuc From christison at coastalnet.com Mon Mar 19 08:56:54 2012 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 11:56:54 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT Ford lifter In-Reply-To: <20120319.112751.24874.4@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> References: <20120319.112751.24874.4@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <4F675746.2060007@coastalnet.com> I imagine every guy would want to use this if it was recommended by Marilyn Monroe:-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lRf6MuV7og Ken, (who used Royal Triton in our hay hauling trucks back in the late 50's.) From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Mar 19 09:13:15 2012 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 10:13:15 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT Ford lifter In-Reply-To: <20120319.112751.24874.4@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> References: <20120319.112751.24874.4@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: I think so. Didn't they do gas for NASCAR? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 9:27 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Ford lifter Hi Rick, WOW !!! Haven't seen that in many years. Is 76 still around ??? Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ (_0_) "Properly trained, A man can be dog?s best friend." (Cory Ford) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Ford lifter Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2012 08:23:12 -0600 I did Union 76 for a couple years. We called it grape juice under our breath. Super high detergent it wouldn't stay in a tired engine, but was good on fresh ones. I don't know if it's still around or not. RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 7:59 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Ford lifter > > Hi Bruce, > I didn't think anyone but me remembered Royal Triton oil. The Hudson > dealer in Leavenworth recommended it and I used it in my Hudson Hornets > for years. I had to replace a crankcase oil pan once after running over > an african american head size rock. The replacement pan came from a junk > yard donor and I steam cleaned it to get it clean of years of crud. The > damaged pan was clean inside as it came off the engine. There was no > sludge buildup with the Royal Triton. > > Ron > PS: I haven't seen any in years. It was a product of the Union Oil > Company of California. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sluggo54 > To: sel > Sent: Sat, Mar 17, 2012 4:21 pm > Subject: [SEL] OT Ford lifter > > > I remember my dad pulling lifters out of his 332 1959 Ford. I don't > remember > or sure what had to come off, but I think it was just the valve covers and > ocker shafts. He made s tool by carefully putting three bends in a > hacksaw > lade, forming a tweezer with splayed-out feet on the business end. He > squeezed > t together, inserted the frog feet into the top of the lifter, and pulled > it > ut. On a couple he had to wedge something down the tweezer to maintain > grip. > eantime, I made labeled containers to hold them so they would go back > where > hey came from. We boiled them to soften the varnish so they could be > isassembled, then used denatured alcohol to remove the varnish. Assemble, > drop > n a cup of oil for a few minutes, then back into the engine they went. > ver after he used Royal Triton oil, and had no problems. > is next car was a Buick. > Bruce Younger > esting Hornady's new Zombie ammunition. > ______________________________________________ > EL mailing list > EL at lists.stationary-engine.com > ttp://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ____________________________________________________________ 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4f6750ce24c6322c8f1ast03vuc _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at me.com Mon Mar 19 11:22:12 2012 From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 14:22:12 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 3.5 HP New Holland Message-ID: <080024C6-FE8A-4B2C-9B4F-057A721C1711@me.com> A good friend just located a 3.5 HP air cooled New Holland engine. It's all there (mag, fan, etc, etc) but has been under a workbench since 1939. It's a vertical--Model A, Type C. If someone with knowledge of New Holland engines would suggest an approximate dollar value of the engine it would be appreciated. Thanks! Dave From gasenginetom at hotmail.com Mon Mar 19 11:36:44 2012 From: gasenginetom at hotmail.com (Tom Winland) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 14:36:44 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 3.5 HP New Holland In-Reply-To: <080024C6-FE8A-4B2C-9B4F-057A721C1711@me.com> References: <080024C6-FE8A-4B2C-9B4F-057A721C1711@me.com> Message-ID: I think your asking about a New Way not New Holland Tom Winland Ohio www.gasenginetom.com > From: rotigel at me.com > Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 14:22:12 -0400 > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] 3.5 HP New Holland > > A good friend just located a 3.5 HP air cooled New Holland engine. It's all there (mag, fan, etc, etc) but has been under a workbench since 1939. It's a vertical--Model A, Type C. If someone with knowledge of New Holland engines would suggest an approximate dollar value of the engine it would be appreciated. Thanks! > Dave > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jdohagan at comcast.net Mon Mar 19 12:14:33 2012 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (James OHAGAN) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 12:14:33 -0700 Subject: [SEL] 3.5 HP New Holland In-Reply-To: <080024C6-FE8A-4B2C-9B4F-057A721C1711@me.com> References: <080024C6-FE8A-4B2C-9B4F-057A721C1711@me.com> Message-ID: <000001cd0604$8515d9d0$8f418d70$@net> Dave, I think this post is 13 days early. Jimmy -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Rotigel Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 11:22 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] 3.5 HP New Holland A good friend just located a 3.5 HP air cooled New Holland engine. It's all there (mag, fan, etc, etc) but has been under a workbench since 1939. It's a vertical--Model A, Type C. If someone with knowledge of New Holland engines would suggest an approximate dollar value of the engine it would be appreciated. Thanks! Dave _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk Mon Mar 19 12:23:04 2012 From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (Craig Morrison) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 19:23:04 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Online Engine Auction References: <8CED2C1DA76F056-848-9C66@Webmail-d113.sysops.aol.com><4A29015A46B2498C9F2FC70733BF2372@craig8b4f43368> <9CE5C44C1E7E434583389B7800311B55@RoysterPC> Message-ID: <92AF047BECE24A6D9794CDCA8499B194@craig8b4f43368> I think taht I am good to go with what is already with Miles. Craig ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Royster" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 2:45 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Online Engine Auction If you buy it, I will ship it! You is a pal, after all! MR -----Original Message----- From: Craig Morrison Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 5:53 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Online Engine Auction Mike, Just registered for this auction, and I would say that all of this iron will definitely be staying on your side of the pond, I agree that there are plenty of possible projects to be purchased via this auction. Craig ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Tucker" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 9:02 PM Subject: [SEL] Online Engine Auction If you're looking for a parts engine or a good project engine you may want to take a look at this online engine auction? quick before they get covered with a tarp at the Royster Engine Ranch! http://www.aumannauctions.com/index.php?subp=1&sct=2&pg=ap&pid=25323 Have fun, Mike _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at me.com Mon Mar 19 16:10:18 2012 From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 19:10:18 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 3.5 HP New Holland In-Reply-To: References: <080024C6-FE8A-4B2C-9B4F-057A721C1711@me.com> Message-ID: <7EA93533-E7D1-4BD4-A301-10FB0DBDA3F1@me.com> You are RIGHT! My bad--just a BRAIN FART I guess. Anyone have information on the value? Dave On Mar 19, 2012, at 2:36 PM, Tom Winland wrote: > > I think your asking about a New Way not New Holland > > Tom Winland > Ohio > www.gasenginetom.com > > >> From: rotigel at me.com >> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 14:22:12 -0400 >> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >> Subject: [SEL] 3.5 HP New Holland >> >> A good friend just located a 3.5 HP air cooled New Holland engine. It's all there (mag, fan, etc, etc) but has been under a workbench since 1939. It's a vertical--Model A, Type C. If someone with knowledge of New Holland engines would suggest an approximate dollar value of the engine it would be appreciated. Thanks! >> Dave >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Mar 19 17:02:14 2012 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 18:02:14 -0600 Subject: [SEL] 3.5 HP New Holland In-Reply-To: <080024C6-FE8A-4B2C-9B4F-057A721C1711@me.com> <7EA93533-E7D1-4BD4-A301-10FB0DBDA3F1@me.com> References: <080024C6-FE8A-4B2C-9B4F-057A721C1711@me.com> <7EA93533-E7D1-4BD4-A301-10FB0DBDA3F1@me.com> Message-ID: Paid around 300 rockets, 7 years ago at auction. Missing unique mixer, sheetmetal, buzzcoil. It does have some hard to find items that go on it. I.e. cc checkvalve and fitting(s). Good fan is hard to find. [URL=http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/album/471752277SOWnom][IMG]http://thumb11.webshots.net/t/63/163/4/52/2/471845202JIPcSO_th.jpg[/IMG][/URL] Hope this helps a little. Mines a 4.5 hp. RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 5:10 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] 3.5 HP New Holland > You are RIGHT! My bad--just a BRAIN FART I guess. Anyone have information > on the value? > Dave > > On Mar 19, 2012, at 2:36 PM, Tom Winland wrote: > > > > > I think your asking about a New Way not New Holland > > > > Tom Winland > > Ohio > > www.gasenginetom.com > > > > > >> From: rotigel at me.com > >> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 14:22:12 -0400 > >> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> Subject: [SEL] 3.5 HP New Holland > >> > >> A good friend just located a 3.5 HP air cooled New Holland engine. It's > >> all there (mag, fan, etc, etc) but has been under a workbench since > >> 1939. It's a vertical--Model A, Type C. If someone with knowledge of > >> New Holland engines would suggest an approximate dollar value of the > >> engine it would be appreciated. Thanks! > >> Dave > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From tchristoff at earthlink.net Mon Mar 19 20:25:35 2012 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 22:25:35 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [SEL] 3.5 HP New Holland Message-ID: <10496550.1332213935975.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net> about $800 as long as it's not stuck. If it has the New Way oiler on it could bring a bit more but not usually. Tim. -----Original Message----- >From: Dave Rotigel >Sent: Mar 19, 2012 6:10 PM >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] 3.5 HP New Holland > >You are RIGHT! My bad--just a BRAIN FART I guess. Anyone have information on the value? > Dave > >On Mar 19, 2012, at 2:36 PM, Tom Winland wrote: > >> >> I think your asking about a New Way not New Holland >> >> Tom Winland >> Ohio >> www.gasenginetom.com >> >> >>> From: rotigel at me.com >>> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 14:22:12 -0400 >>> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> Subject: [SEL] 3.5 HP New Holland >>> >>> A good friend just located a 3.5 HP air cooled New Holland engine. It's all there (mag, fan, etc, etc) but has been under a workbench since 1939. It's a vertical--Model A, Type C. If someone with knowledge of New Holland engines would suggest an approximate dollar value of the engine it would be appreciated. Thanks! >>> Dave >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Tim Christoff From plowe at exemail.com.au Tue Mar 20 01:57:45 2012 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2012 19:57:45 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Online Engine Auction In-Reply-To: <92AF047BECE24A6D9794CDCA8499B194@craig8b4f43368> References: <8CED2C1DA76F056-848-9C66@Webmail-d113.sysops.aol.com><4A29015A46B2498C9F2FC70733BF2372@craig8b4f43368><9CE5C44C1E7E434583389B7800311B55@RoysterPC> <92AF047BECE24A6D9794CDCA8499B194@craig8b4f43368> Message-ID: <8D261FD9C979476DA8EFFDA79A9565E2@PeterPC> Is anyone going to this auction?? I would like the serial number from the vertical R&V, there are two other R&V's listed with serial numbers. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm Australia I think taht I am good to go with what is already with Miles. Craig If you buy it, I will ship it! You is a pal, after all! MR Mike, Just registered for this auction, and I would say that all of this iron will definitely be staying on your side of the pond, I agree that there are plenty of possible projects to be purchased via this auction. Craig If you're looking for a parts engine or a good project engine you may want to take a look at this online engine auction? quick before they get covered with a tarp at the Royster Engine Ranch! http://www.aumannauctions.com/index.php?subp=1&sct=2&pg=ap&pid=25323 Have fun, Mike From mickc782 at hotmail.com Tue Mar 20 02:29:16 2012 From: mickc782 at hotmail.com (Mick Christie) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2012 20:29:16 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Online Engine Auction Message-ID: Gday peter The r&v vertical in the auction is actually a 4 hp YB stover ?? cheers ?? ? ?mick Sent from Samsung Mobile Peter Lowe wrote: Is anyone going to this auction?? I would like the serial number from the vertical R&V, there are two other R&V's listed with serial numbers. Regards Peter Lowe R&V Engine Registrar http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm Australia I think taht I am good to go with what is already with Miles. Craig If you buy it, I will ship it!? You is a pal, after all! MR Mike, ??????????? Just registered for this auction, and I would say that all of this iron will definitely be staying on your side of the pond, I agree that there are plenty of possible projects to be purchased via this auction. Craig If you're looking for a parts engine or a good project engine you may want to take a look at this online engine auction? quick before they get covered with a tarp at the Royster Engine Ranch! http://www.aumannauctions.com/index.php?subp=1&sct=2&pg=ap&pid=25323 Have fun, Mike _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Mar 20 04:43:06 2012 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2012 05:43:06 -0600 Subject: [SEL] 3.5 HP New Holland In-Reply-To: <10496550.1332213935975.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <10496550.1332213935975.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Had a unique spark plug too....didn't it Tim? Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Christoff" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 9:25 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] 3.5 HP New Holland > about $800 as long as it's not stuck. If it has the New Way oiler on it > could bring a bit more but not usually. > > Tim. > > > -----Original Message----- > >From: Dave Rotigel > >Sent: Mar 19, 2012 6:10 PM > >To: The SEL email discussion list > >Subject: Re: [SEL] 3.5 HP New Holland > > > >You are RIGHT! My bad--just a BRAIN FART I guess. Anyone have information > >on the value? > > Dave > > > >On Mar 19, 2012, at 2:36 PM, Tom Winland wrote: > > > >> > >> I think your asking about a New Way not New Holland > >> > >> Tom Winland > >> Ohio > >> www.gasenginetom.com > >> > >> > >>> From: rotigel at me.com > >>> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 14:22:12 -0400 > >>> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>> Subject: [SEL] 3.5 HP New Holland > >>> > >>> A good friend just located a 3.5 HP air cooled New Holland engine. > >>> It's all there (mag, fan, etc, etc) but has been under a workbench > >>> since 1939. It's a vertical--Model A, Type C. If someone with > >>> knowledge of New Holland engines would suggest an approximate dollar > >>> value of the engine it would be appreciated. Thanks! > >>> Dave > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> SEL mailing list > >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > Tim Christoff > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From steve_royster at hotmail.com Tue Mar 20 13:20:56 2012 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2012 16:20:56 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Thank you to the SEL In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear Friends, I just wanted to say thanks from my family to the list for the beautiful flowers you sent to Dad's funeral. Mike and I appreciate all your friendship over the years and now especially. It means a lot to have a great group of friends like you. Thanks so much. Steve, Mike, and the Royster family. From tchristoff at earthlink.net Tue Mar 20 18:45:05 2012 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2012 20:45:05 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [SEL] 3.5 HP New Holland Message-ID: <9302340.1332294305802.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net> yep but good luck finding one. Tim -----Original Message----- >From: Richard Strobel >Sent: Mar 20, 2012 6:43 AM >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] 3.5 HP New Holland > >Had a unique spark plug too....didn't it Tim? > >Rick > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Tim Christoff" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 9:25 PM >Subject: Re: [SEL] 3.5 HP New Holland > > >> about $800 as long as it's not stuck. If it has the New Way oiler on it >> could bring a bit more but not usually. >> >> Tim. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >From: Dave Rotigel >> >Sent: Mar 19, 2012 6:10 PM >> >To: The SEL email discussion list >> >Subject: Re: [SEL] 3.5 HP New Holland >> > >> >You are RIGHT! My bad--just a BRAIN FART I guess. Anyone have information >> >on the value? >> > Dave >> > >> >On Mar 19, 2012, at 2:36 PM, Tom Winland wrote: >> > >> >> >> >> I think your asking about a New Way not New Holland >> >> >> >> Tom Winland >> >> Ohio >> >> www.gasenginetom.com >> >> >> >> >> >>> From: rotigel at me.com >> >>> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 14:22:12 -0400 >> >>> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >>> Subject: [SEL] 3.5 HP New Holland >> >>> >> >>> A good friend just located a 3.5 HP air cooled New Holland engine. >> >>> It's all there (mag, fan, etc, etc) but has been under a workbench >> >>> since 1939. It's a vertical--Model A, Type C. If someone with >> >>> knowledge of New Holland engines would suggest an approximate dollar >> >>> value of the engine it would be appreciated. Thanks! >> >>> Dave >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> SEL mailing list >> >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> SEL mailing list >> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >> >_______________________________________________ >> >SEL mailing list >> >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> Tim Christoff >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Tim Christoff From rdhaskell at juno.com Wed Mar 21 14:58:10 2012 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 14:58:10 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT. computer question Message-ID: <20120321.145850.1661.284658@mailpop07.vgs.untd.com> Hi all. Last night an engine friend sent me three engine pictures. I could open one, but the other two gave this message: This file does not have a program associated with it for performing this action, create an association in the set association control panel. Anyone have a clue what this means, and how to fix it. I saw the pictures on his computer and they all looked the same. Thanks. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell ____________________________________________________________ 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4f6a4f45680232453296st05vuc From rob at rustyiron.com Wed Mar 21 15:32:57 2012 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 15:32:57 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT. computer question In-Reply-To: <20120321.145850.1661.284658@mailpop07.vgs.untd.com> References: <20120321.145850.1661.284658@mailpop07.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: On Mar 21, 2012, at 2:58 PM, rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: > Hi all. > Last night an engine friend sent me three engine pictures. I could open > one, but the other two gave this message: This file does not have a > program associated with it for performing this action, create an > association in the set association control panel. Anyone have a clue > what this means, and how to fix it. I saw the pictures on his computer > and they all looked the same. Thanks. Does that happen on Carol?s computer? That would be hard to believe. Tell it to open with Preview and see what happens. Do you know the extension of the filename? That will be a good clue. You can send me the pictures, and I can convert them to something a Windows computer can use, if that?s what you need. Rob From curt at rustyiron.com Wed Mar 21 18:50:01 2012 From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 18:50:01 -0700 Subject: [SEL] 3.5 HP New Holland In-Reply-To: References: <080024C6-FE8A-4B2C-9B4F-057A721C1711@me.com> <7EA93533-E7D1-4BD4-A301-10FB0DBDA3F1@me.com> Message-ID: and it has a nice muffler. Curt in NC > Paid around 300 rockets, 7 years ago at auction. Missing unique mixer, > sheetmetal, buzzcoil. It does have some hard to find items that go on it. > I.e. cc checkvalve and fitting(s). Good fan is hard to find. > > [URL=http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/album/471752277SOWnom][IMG]http://thumb11.webshots.net/t/63/163/4/52/2/471845202JIPcSO_th.jpg[/IMG][/URL] > > > Hope this helps a little. Mines a 4.5 hp. > > RickinMt. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Rotigel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 5:10 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] 3.5 HP New Holland > > >> You are RIGHT! My bad--just a BRAIN FART I guess. Anyone have >> information >> on the value? >> Dave >> >> On Mar 19, 2012, at 2:36 PM, Tom Winland wrote: >> >> > >> > I think your asking about a New Way not New Holland >> > >> > Tom Winland >> > Ohio >> > www.gasenginetom.com >> > >> > >> >> From: rotigel at me.com >> >> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 14:22:12 -0400 >> >> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >> Subject: [SEL] 3.5 HP New Holland >> >> >> >> A good friend just located a 3.5 HP air cooled New Holland engine. >> It's >> >> all there (mag, fan, etc, etc) but has been under a workbench since >> >> 1939. It's a vertical--Model A, Type C. If someone with knowledge of >> >> New Holland engines would suggest an approximate dollar value of the >> >> engine it would be appreciated. Thanks! >> >> Dave >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> SEL mailing list >> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From curt at rustyiron.com Wed Mar 21 19:02:45 2012 From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 19:02:45 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Online Engine Auction In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <990344ef99163a9201fbb688dafb3df1.squirrel@elara.lunarservers.com> Peter, Ken has probably got some R&V's anyway, even if not in the auction. You could just email him or Patti and ask for the s/n's. Email address is here: http://www.edervillenc.com/ I'm sure Ken would be glad to help. Nice guy. Curt in NC > Gday peter > The r&v vertical in the auction is actually a 4 hp YB stover > ???? cheers > ???? ?? ??mick > > Sent from Samsung Mobile > > Peter Lowe wrote: > > Is anyone going to this auction?? > I would like the serial number from the vertical R&V, there are two other > R&V's listed with serial numbers. > > Regards > Peter Lowe > R&V Engine Registrar > http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm > Australia > > > > I think taht I am good to go with what is already with Miles. > Craig > > If you buy it, I will ship it!?? You is a pal, after all! > MR > > > > Mike, > ?????????????????????? Just registered for this auction, and I would say > that all of > this iron will definitely be staying on your side of the pond, I agree > that > there are plenty of possible projects to be purchased via this auction. > Craig > > > > If you're looking for a parts engine or a good project engine you may want > to take a look at this online engine auction??? quick before they get > covered > with a tarp at the Royster Engine Ranch! > > http://www.aumannauctions.com/index.php?subp=1&sct=2&pg=ap&pid=25323 > > Have fun, > Mike > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From curt at rustyiron.com Wed Mar 21 19:56:58 2012 From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 19:56:58 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Canberra Rally 2012 In-Reply-To: <0C1AD739-894C-413B-9A0D-4A9B85F40540@rustyiron.com> References: <4ec7bf653a14d637f8edf06853c8dd34.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com> <0C1AD739-894C-413B-9A0D-4A9B85F40540@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: Patrick, What is this engine? That's a vertical flyball governor, right? Not recalling this. Curt > > On Mar 18, 2012, at 9:08 AM, Arnie Fero wrote: > >> G'day Patrick, >> >> Man, that Dalgety is one neat looking engine. >> Never saw one of those before. >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/can12/pages/can2012rally%20104_jpg.htm > > > > Tangye. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rob at rustyiron.com Wed Mar 21 20:40:54 2012 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 20:40:54 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Canberra Rally 2012 In-Reply-To: References: <4ec7bf653a14d637f8edf06853c8dd34.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com> <0C1AD739-894C-413B-9A0D-4A9B85F40540@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <85AAB7B6-601B-4DD2-87B7-200EBC429462@rustyiron.com> On Mar 21, 2012, at 7:56 PM, curt at rustyiron.com wrote: > > Patrick, > What is this engine? > > That's a vertical flyball governor, right? Not recalling this. > Curt Richard Hornsby, Model 1912, on an Aussie cart. From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Wed Mar 21 22:17:47 2012 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 16:17:47 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Canberra Rally 2012 In-Reply-To: References: <4ec7bf653a14d637f8edf06853c8dd34.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com> <0C1AD739-894C-413B-9A0D-4A9B85F40540@rustyiron.com> Message-ID: <4F6AB5FB.8060005@optusnet.com.au> G'Day Curt Hornsby oil engine with vertical flyball governor Kerry > Patrick, > What is this engine? > > That's a vertical flyball governor, right? Not recalling this. > Curt > > -- Kerry Morris Tangye Engine Registrar 0400421133 Web Page. www.oldengine.org/members/kmorris/ From rotigel at me.com Thu Mar 22 04:39:14 2012 From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 07:39:14 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 3.5 HP New Holland In-Reply-To: <9302340.1332294305802.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <9302340.1332294305802.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1A5F742A-AD87-49E2-809E-5DD4B76E74B6@me.com> We will be looking for those things on Monday when we look at the engine. Also what kind of mag should be on the engine? Dave On Mar 20, 2012, at 9:45 PM, Tim Christoff wrote: > yep but good luck finding one. > > Tim > > -----Original Message----- >> From: Richard Strobel >> Sent: Mar 20, 2012 6:43 AM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] 3.5 HP New Holland >> >> Had a unique spark plug too....didn't it Tim? >> >> Rick >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Tim Christoff" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 9:25 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] 3.5 HP New Holland >> >> >>> about $800 as long as it's not stuck. If it has the New Way oiler on it >>> could bring a bit more but not usually. >>> >>> Tim. >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Dave Rotigel >>>> Sent: Mar 19, 2012 6:10 PM >>>> To: The SEL email discussion list >>>> Subject: Re: [SEL] 3.5 HP New Holland >>>> >>>> You are RIGHT! My bad--just a BRAIN FART I guess. Anyone have information >>>> on the value? >>>> Dave >>>> >>>> On Mar 19, 2012, at 2:36 PM, Tom Winland wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> I think your asking about a New Way not New Holland >>>>> >>>>> Tom Winland >>>>> Ohio >>>>> www.gasenginetom.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> From: rotigel at me.com >>>>>> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 14:22:12 -0400 >>>>>> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>>>> Subject: [SEL] 3.5 HP New Holland >>>>>> >>>>>> A good friend just located a 3.5 HP air cooled New Holland engine. >>>>>> It's all there (mag, fan, etc, etc) but has been under a workbench >>>>>> since 1939. It's a vertical--Model A, Type C. If someone with >>>>>> knowledge of New Holland engines would suggest an approximate dollar >>>>>> value of the engine it would be appreciated. Thanks! >>>>>> Dave >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> SEL mailing list >>>>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> SEL mailing list >>>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>> Tim Christoff >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > Tim Christoff > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Mar 22 06:19:13 2012 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 07:19:13 -0600 Subject: [SEL] 3.5 HP New Holland In-Reply-To: <9302340.1332294305802.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <1A5F742A-AD87-49E2-809E-5DD4B76E74B6@me.com> References: <9302340.1332294305802.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <1A5F742A-AD87-49E2-809E-5DD4B76E74B6@me.com> Message-ID: Isn't Jimmy Johnson the New Way guru on Stak? I know he's from Washington state. Dave mine is buzzcoil fired but I'll check some pictures I have. RickinMt. PS: I believe New Way is the featured engine at Rollag this year. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 5:39 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] 3.5 HP New Holland > We will be looking for those things on Monday when we look at the engine. > Also what kind of mag should be on the engine? > Dave From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Mar 22 06:54:35 2012 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 07:54:35 -0600 Subject: [SEL] 3.5 HP New Holland In-Reply-To: <080024C6-FE8A-4B2C-9B4F-057A721C1711@me.com><7EA93533-E7D1-4BD4-A301-10FB0DBDA3F1@me.com> References: <080024C6-FE8A-4B2C-9B4F-057A721C1711@me.com><7EA93533-E7D1-4BD4-A301-10FB0DBDA3F1@me.com> Message-ID: yea Curt..very nice muffler. In the end it was the proprietary mixer that dissolved my interest. It has no needle valve..one just uses the choke for mixture. One doesn't have to worry about the gas tank tho as it's internal. Always thot it was neat that cc blowby lubes the fan. I wonder how good that worked. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 7:50 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] 3.5 HP New Holland > > and it has a nice muffler. > Curt in NC > > > Paid around 300 rockets, 7 years ago at auction. Missing unique mixer, > > sheetmetal, buzzcoil. It does have some hard to find items that go on > > it. > > I.e. cc checkvalve and fitting(s). Good fan is hard to find. > > > > [URL=http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/album/471752277SOWnom][IMG]http://thumb11.webshots.net/t/63/163/4/52/2/471845202JIPcSO_th.jpg[/IMG][/URL] > > > > > > Hope this helps a little. Mines a 4.5 hp. > > > > RickinMt. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Dave Rotigel" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 5:10 PM > > Subject: Re: [SEL] 3.5 HP New Holland > > > > > >> You are RIGHT! My bad--just a BRAIN FART I guess. Anyone have > >> information > >> on the value? > >> Dave > >> > >> On Mar 19, 2012, at 2:36 PM, Tom Winland wrote: > >> > >> > > >> > I think your asking about a New Way not New Holland > >> > > >> > Tom Winland > >> > Ohio > >> > www.gasenginetom.com > >> > > >> > > >> >> From: rotigel at me.com > >> >> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 14:22:12 -0400 > >> >> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> >> Subject: [SEL] 3.5 HP New Holland > >> >> > >> >> A good friend just located a 3.5 HP air cooled New Holland engine. > >> It's > >> >> all there (mag, fan, etc, etc) but has been under a workbench since > >> >> 1939. It's a vertical--Model A, Type C. If someone with knowledge of > >> >> New Holland engines would suggest an approximate dollar value of the > >> >> engine it would be appreciated. Thanks! > >> >> Dave > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> SEL mailing list > >> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > SEL mailing list > >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Mar 22 07:38:24 2012 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 08:38:24 -0600 Subject: [SEL] 3.5 HP New Holland In-Reply-To: <080024C6-FE8A-4B2C-9B4F-057A721C1711@me.com><7EA93533-E7D1-4BD4-A301-10FB0DBDA3F1@me.com> References: <080024C6-FE8A-4B2C-9B4F-057A721C1711@me.com><7EA93533-E7D1-4BD4-A301-10FB0DBDA3F1@me.com> Message-ID: Dave..here's a little info on the mag. (damn little). Bosch and National are mentioned in the brochure. I don't know why it's cut off: The buzzcoil was tagged New Way. [URL=http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/album/471752277SOWnom][IMG]http://thumb11.webshots.net/t/63/163/4/52/2/471845202JIPcSO_th.jpg[/IMG][/URL] Maybe just crusing thru this album might help also. Patrick, Tim, and Steve were nice enough to take time to send me some pictures. Thanks again guys!! One more thing. The valves are enclosed in a cage(s) They can be a bitch to remove and must be removed for valve/seat work. I have yet to get the bottom one out even after many heat cycles. Good luck with the graphics. I'm sure someone out there can do it, but I know of no decals. And with any headless, a piston stop through the sparkplug hole is a MUST!!! You know what I mean :-) I have lifted the engine using the sparkplug hole, but don't think it's a good idea. I believe the engine primer thru the side of the cylinder is also quite difficult to find. I'll give it more thot today...OMG...lol Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 7:54 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] 3.5 HP New Holland > yea Curt..very nice muffler. In the end it was the proprietary mixer that > dissolved my interest. It has no needle valve..one just uses the choke for > mixture. One doesn't have to worry about the gas tank tho as it's > internal. Always thot it was neat that cc blowby lubes the fan. I wonder > how good that worked. > > Rick > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 7:50 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] 3.5 HP New Holland > > > > > > and it has a nice muffler. > > Curt in NC > > > > > Paid around 300 rockets, 7 years ago at auction. Missing unique > > > mixer, > > > sheetmetal, buzzcoil. It does have some hard to find items that go on > > > it. > > > I.e. cc checkvalve and fitting(s). Good fan is hard to find. > > > > > > [URL=http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/album/471752277SOWnom][IMG]http://thumb11.webshots.net/t/63/163/4/52/2/471845202JIPcSO_th.jpg[/IMG][/URL] > > > > > > > > > Hope this helps a little. Mines a 4.5 hp. > > > > > > RickinMt. > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Dave Rotigel" > > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > > Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 5:10 PM > > > Subject: Re: [SEL] 3.5 HP New Holland > > > > > > > > >> You are RIGHT! My bad--just a BRAIN FART I guess. Anyone have > > >> information > > >> on the value? > > >> Dave > > >> > > >> On Mar 19, 2012, at 2:36 PM, Tom Winland wrote: > > >> > > >> > > > >> > I think your asking about a New Way not New Holland > > >> > > > >> > Tom Winland > > >> > Ohio > > >> > www.gasenginetom.com > > >> > > > >> > > > >> >> From: rotigel at me.com > > >> >> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 14:22:12 -0400 > > >> >> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > >> >> Subject: [SEL] 3.5 HP New Holland > > >> >> > > >> >> A good friend just located a 3.5 HP air cooled New Holland engine. > > >> It's > > >> >> all there (mag, fan, etc, etc) but has been under a workbench > > >> >> since > > >> >> 1939. It's a vertical--Model A, Type C. If someone with knowledge > > >> >> of > > >> >> New Holland engines would suggest an approximate dollar value of > > >> >> the > > >> >> engine it would be appreciated. Thanks! > > >> >> Dave > > >> >> _______________________________________________ > > >> >> SEL mailing list > > >> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > >> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >> > > > >> > _______________________________________________ > > >> > SEL mailing list > > >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> SEL mailing list > > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Fri Mar 23 03:28:33 2012 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2012 21:28:33 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Canberra Rally 2012 In-Reply-To: <4F6AB5FB.8060005@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: I have now updated the pages with (hopefully) correct descriptions: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/can12/index.htm Patrick M Livingstone 0418 692013 Earlwood NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From plowe at exemail.com.au Fri Mar 23 04:01:57 2012 From: plowe at exemail.com.au (Peter Lowe) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2012 22:01:57 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Austral at Canberra Message-ID: The old girl looks good Kerry. http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/can12/pages/can2012rally%20059_jpg.htm Peter From oldironnut at windstream.net Fri Mar 23 16:31:45 2012 From: oldironnut at windstream.net (Michael Tucker) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2012 19:31:45 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Canberra Rally 2012 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6B2C2358-8EAE-459A-9ACF-5740C7237EE8@windstream.net> Thanks for the pictures and the captions? gotta love that Kynoch! Mike On Mar 23, 2012, at 6:28 AM, Patrick Livingstone wrote: > > I have now updated the pages with (hopefully) correct descriptions: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/can12/index.htm > > > Patrick M Livingstone > 0418 692013 > Earlwood NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rob at rustyiron.com Fri Mar 23 17:42:09 2012 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2012 17:42:09 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Canberra Rally 2012 In-Reply-To: <6B2C2358-8EAE-459A-9ACF-5740C7237EE8@windstream.net> References: <6B2C2358-8EAE-459A-9ACF-5740C7237EE8@windstream.net> Message-ID: On Mar 23, 2012, at 4:31 PM, Michael Tucker wrote: > Thanks for the pictures and the captions? gotta love that Kynoch! > > Mike I?ll just mention this, Mike, because if you?re not clinging to your guns and bibles, you?re probably playing with your engines: Kynoch not only made cool engines, but back in the day, they manufactured firearms and ammunition. Rob From blcksmth at wcnet.org Fri Mar 23 18:47:07 2012 From: blcksmth at wcnet.org (Bob) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2012 21:47:07 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Wood County Heritage Days In-Reply-To: <4F6D2662.3070306@wcnet.org> References: <4F6D2662.3070306@wcnet.org> Message-ID: <4F6D279B.9060007@wcnet.org> On June 09-10 The Wood County Historical Society (www.woodcountyhistory.org ) along with The Power of Yesteryear (www.powerofyesteryear.org ) will present the Wood County Heritage Days farm show at the Wood County Museum near Bowling Green, Ohio. Wood County is in the heart of the Great Black Swamp and has a history of good farm land and the area was once rich with oil. The museum has an operating steam powered oil drilling rig, an S.M. Jones powered pumping power and a blacksmith/machine shop in the Boom Town display area. More detailed information can be found on the Power of Yesteryear web site and a Heritage Days flyer can be found on the historical society web site. -- Bob Willman The Eagle's Anvil Bowling Green, Ohio WB8NQW The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground. Thomas Jefferson in a letter to E. Carrington, May 27,1788 From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Sat Mar 24 03:36:47 2012 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2012 21:36:47 +1100 Subject: [SEL] A new toy finally home Message-ID: It has taken 18 months but the star of my Austral collection is finally home! I purchased this engine in October 2010 and it finally hit the ground in my garage today. The engine is Austral No.755 a 5.5hp portable from 1911 which is actually originally built as No.182, a pushrod engine, in 1908. Some pics at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myaustral755.html A check over, a good oil up, and it started first pull. Just as one would expect from an Austral: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbQKNQr3EDw I am very pleased with my new toy :) Patrick Patrick M Livingstone 0418 692013 Earlwood NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From oldironnut at windstream.net Sat Mar 24 06:49:49 2012 From: oldironnut at windstream.net (Michael Tucker) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2012 09:49:49 -0400 Subject: [SEL] A new toy finally home In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Congratulations, Patrick? she's beautiful! Mike On Mar 24, 2012, at 6:36 AM, Patrick Livingstone wrote: > It has taken 18 months but the star of my Austral collection is finally > home! I purchased this engine in October 2010 and it finally hit the ground > in my garage today. > The engine is Austral No.755 a 5.5hp portable from 1911 which is actually > originally built as No.182, a pushrod engine, in 1908. > Some pics at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myaustral755.html > > A check over, a good oil up, and it started first pull. Just as one would > expect from an Austral: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbQKNQr3EDw > > I am very pleased with my new toy :) > Patrick > > Patrick M Livingstone > 0418 692013 > Earlwood NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Germoamer at aol.com Sat Mar 24 08:51:09 2012 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2012 11:51:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] A new toy finally home Message-ID: In a message dated 3/24/2012 6:41:06 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, patrick.livingstone at gmail.com writes: _http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myaustral755.html_ (http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myaustral755.html) Patrick, Nice engine. Why the conversion from push rod to side shaft? Did that make the engine more reliable running? Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at aol.com From mr at carolina.rr.com Sat Mar 24 09:15:36 2012 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2012 12:15:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] A new toy finally home In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <59704BEB44B64EAFB90536E3C4F7CBDF@RoysterPC> Very, very nice! -----Original Message----- From: Patrick Livingstone Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2012 6:36 AM To: ATIS ; Oldengine Subject: [SEL] A new toy finally home It has taken 18 months but the star of my Austral collection is finally home! I purchased this engine in October 2010 and it finally hit the ground in my garage today. The engine is Austral No.755 a 5.5hp portable from 1911 which is actually originally built as No.182, a pushrod engine, in 1908. Some pics at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myaustral755.html A check over, a good oil up, and it started first pull. Just as one would expect from an Austral: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbQKNQr3EDw I am very pleased with my new toy :) Patrick Patrick M Livingstone 0418 692013 Earlwood NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From gop4evr at lsol.net Sat Mar 24 12:00:44 2012 From: gop4evr at lsol.net (Nelson Johnsrud) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2012 14:00:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] A new toy finally home In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <82746E34-23CD-4FC9-B395-13DC87FB472E@lsol.net> What a beautiful hunk of iron! Very nice! I also would be interested to hear the backstory of the changeover from pushrod to sideshaft. Nels Johnsrud Manitowoc WI gop4evr at lsol.net On Mar 24, 2012, at 5:36 AM, Patrick Livingstone wrote: > It has taken 18 months but the star of my Austral collection is finally > home! I purchased this engine in October 2010 and it finally hit the ground > in my garage today. > The engine is Austral No.755 a 5.5hp portable from 1911 which is actually > originally built as No.182, a pushrod engine, in 1908. > Some pics at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myaustral755.html > > A check over, a good oil up, and it started first pull. Just as one would > expect from an Austral: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbQKNQr3EDw > > I am very pleased with my new toy :) > Patrick > > Patrick M Livingstone > 0418 692013 > Earlwood NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From blcksmth at wcnet.org Sat Mar 24 13:05:07 2012 From: blcksmth at wcnet.org (Bob) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2012 16:05:07 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Wooden Split Pulley refurbish Message-ID: <4F6E28F3.50909@wcnet.org> What is the recommended way to restore wooden pulleys that have dried out considerably? I am re-assembling a line shaft driven Prentice Bros. lathe and a floor drill press in the blacksmith shop at the Wood County Museum - www.woodcountyhistory.org . I have a couple of wooden split pulleys that are very dry. The laminations do not appear to be loose but I am afraid they might come loose with use. Maybe a coat of linseed oil? Any suggestions? -- Bob Willman The Eagle's Anvil Bowling Green, Ohio WB8NQW The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground. Thomas Jefferson in a letter to E. Carrington, May 27,1788 From russell at ncable.com.au Sat Mar 24 16:15:26 2012 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 10:15:26 +1100 Subject: [SEL] A new toy finally home In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8FF7440B-3416-4EDA-A4C3-AECDCC342B4C@ncable.com.au> Pretty tidy Patrick, looks nice. On 24/03/2012, at 9:36 PM, Patrick Livingstone wrote: > It has taken 18 months but the star of my Austral collection is finally > home! I purchased this engine in October 2010 and it finally hit the ground > in my garage today. > The engine is Austral No.755 a 5.5hp portable from 1911 which is actually > originally built as No.182, a pushrod engine, in 1908. > Some pics at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myaustral755.html > > A check over, a good oil up, and it started first pull. Just as one would > expect from an Austral: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbQKNQr3EDw > > I am very pleased with my new toy :) > Patrick > > Patrick M Livingstone > 0418 692013 > Earlwood NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From russell at ncable.com.au Sat Mar 24 16:17:15 2012 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 10:17:15 +1100 Subject: [SEL] A new toy finally home In-Reply-To: <82746E34-23CD-4FC9-B395-13DC87FB472E@lsol.net> References: <82746E34-23CD-4FC9-B395-13DC87FB472E@lsol.net> Message-ID: <3303A469-06BE-4536-B563-9619FD1B3F57@ncable.com.au> Patrick what about a conversion back to engine No182! ............. you have the makings of it :-) On 25/03/2012, at 6:00 AM, Nelson Johnsrud wrote: > What a beautiful hunk of iron! Very nice! > > I also would be interested to hear the backstory of the changeover from pushrod to sideshaft. > > > Nels Johnsrud > Manitowoc WI > gop4evr at lsol.net > > > > > On Mar 24, 2012, at 5:36 AM, Patrick Livingstone wrote: > >> It has taken 18 months but the star of my Austral collection is finally >> home! I purchased this engine in October 2010 and it finally hit the ground >> in my garage today. >> The engine is Austral No.755 a 5.5hp portable from 1911 which is actually >> originally built as No.182, a pushrod engine, in 1908. >> Some pics at: >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myaustral755.html >> >> A check over, a good oil up, and it started first pull. Just as one would >> expect from an Austral: >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbQKNQr3EDw >> >> I am very pleased with my new toy :) >> Patrick >> >> Patrick M Livingstone >> 0418 692013 >> Earlwood NSW >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at me.com Sat Mar 24 17:22:43 2012 From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2012 20:22:43 -0400 Subject: [SEL] A new toy finally home In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: VERY NICE Patrick! (Arnie had an engine some time ago that also had a "bent axle transporter". Arnie, what was that engine, I've forgotten!) Dave On Mar 24, 2012, at 6:36 AM, Patrick Livingstone wrote: > It has taken 18 months but the star of my Austral collection is finally > home! I purchased this engine in October 2010 and it finally hit the ground > in my garage today. > The engine is Austral No.755 a 5.5hp portable from 1911 which is actually > originally built as No.182, a pushrod engine, in 1908. > Some pics at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myaustral755.html > > A check over, a good oil up, and it started first pull. Just as one would > expect from an Austral: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbQKNQr3EDw > > I am very pleased with my new toy :) > Patrick > > Patrick M Livingstone > 0418 692013 > Earlwood NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From curt at rustyiron.com Sat Mar 24 18:15:26 2012 From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2012 18:15:26 -0700 Subject: [SEL] A new toy finally home In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <36b00784466e050eb671945ce5b0c50c.squirrel@elara.lunarservers.com> > VERY NICE Patrick! (Arnie had an engine some time ago that also had a > "bent axle transporter". Arnie, what was that engine, I've forgotten!) > Dave HEAVY! :-) Curt From b2 at chooka.net Sat Mar 24 18:51:12 2012 From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2012 20:51:12 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Wooden Split Pulley refurbish In-Reply-To: <4F6E28F3.50909@wcnet.org> References: <4F6E28F3.50909@wcnet.org> Message-ID: <003401cd0a29$c1f4b870$45de2950$@net> My product of choice for this project would be kwik poly. It's a 2-part mixture that's the consistency of water for a couple of minutes. Then it sets up really hard. You dam up the area to be treated and pour the stuff in. In this case where you have good contours for the existing pulley, I'd suggest that simple tape be wrapped around the contour to provide the barrier or mold. If you end up with a little excess dripped or sagged out somewhere, it's easy to use a rasp or file to take it back down. I have used this successfully on fuel tanks, a shattered emergency brake switch for my trailer, on an overhead door with a rotted segment, and more. Nope, I don't sell the stuff and don't have a financial interest in the company. I don't even know where to get it, but your favorite search engine will help with that. I've just had good luck using it. Maybe wait a bit on the project and see if someone has other ideas or a contrary experience with Kwik Poly Bill Brueck Pine Island, MN USA -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Bob Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2012 3:05 PM To: Engines Subject: [SEL] Wooden Split Pulley refurbish What is the recommended way to restore wooden pulleys that have dried out considerably? I am re-assembling a line shaft driven Prentice Bros. lathe and a floor drill press in the blacksmith shop at the Wood County Museum - www.woodcountyhistory.org . I have a couple of wooden split pulleys that are very dry. The laminations do not appear to be loose but I am afraid they might come loose with use. Maybe a coat of linseed oil? Any suggestions? -- Bob Willman The Eagle's Anvil Bowling Green, Ohio WB8NQW The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground. Thomas Jefferson in a letter to E. Carrington, May 27,1788 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Sun Mar 25 15:33:49 2012 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 09:33:49 +1100 Subject: [SEL] A new toy finally home In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The short story on the converted engines: R-T started making engines with a vertical (no.51) in c1906. They then built both vertical and horizontal pushrod engines with a belt driven governor. The later pushrod engines had a shaft driven flyball governor. These engines were not very successful so in August 1908 Ronaldson-Tippett started making sideshaft engines based on Carters Patent (as seen with Blackstone engines). The first sideshaft engine was No.217. To recoup some of the money spent building the pushrod engines a handful were rebuilt as sideshaft engines in 1911. It is not known if these are engines that were never sold, bought back or traded in. All of the converted engines bear evidence of their previous existence. Mine has the mounting holes for the cam gear and cutouts in the engine bed to allow for the gear on one side and the water pump eccentric on the other. The cylindrical muffler inboard of the cooling tower is also different than the 'standard' Austral. How do I know what the original engine number is? Well R-T always left the original numbers on the big end bearing. They have a long history of refurbishing engines so they left the original number, hidden, so they could easily identify an engine if it came back to the factory for a rebuild. My engine's original number is 182. The thought is there to un-rebuild the engine but it has been in its current form for over 100 years and runs very, very sweet. It is a pretty unusual engine in its current form but I may look at the logistics of un-rebuilding it in a few years. Patrick Patrick M Livingstone 0418 692013 Earlwood NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Mar 25 16:14:31 2012 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 19:14:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] A new toy finally home In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5E5DEFE1B6234A04A7359FC280273322@D2JYVHJ1> Very interesting Patrick. Thanks for the info on RT and the evolution of their engine. I wonder how many other companies made similar adjustments to make their engines a success? Then, as now, for a company its all about selling their products. The move made by RT to go from a pushrod to sideshaft design certainly accomplished this goal as I know there were many RT engines made and the company had a long history of engine production. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY USA -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Livingstone Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 6:34 PM To: ATIS Subject: Re: [SEL] A new toy finally home The short story on the converted engines: R-T started making engines with a vertical (no.51) in c1906. They then built both vertical and horizontal pushrod engines with a belt driven governor. The later pushrod engines had a shaft driven flyball governor. These engines were not very successful so in August 1908 Ronaldson-Tippett started making sideshaft engines based on Carters Patent (as seen with Blackstone engines). The first sideshaft engine was No.217. To recoup some of the money spent building the pushrod engines a handful were rebuilt as sideshaft engines in 1911. It is not known if these are engines that were never sold, bought back or traded in. All of the converted engines bear evidence of their previous existence. Mine has the mounting holes for the cam gear and cutouts in the engine bed to allow for the gear on one side and the water pump eccentric on the other. The cylindrical muffler inboard of the cooling tower is also different than the 'standard' Austral. How do I know what the original engine number is? Well R-T always left the original numbers on the big end bearing. They have a long history of refurbishing engines so they left the original number, hidden, so they could easily identify an engine if it came back to the factory for a rebuild. My engine's original number is 182. The thought is there to un-rebuild the engine but it has been in its current form for over 100 years and runs very, very sweet. It is a pretty unusual engine in its current form but I may look at the logistics of un-rebuilding it in a few years. Patrick Patrick M Livingstone 0418 692013 Earlwood NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.455 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/4277 - Release Date: 03/24/12 19:34:00 From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sun Mar 25 16:21:00 2012 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 16:21:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] A new toy finally home In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1332717660.32868.YahooMailClassic@web111723.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Patrick, That is a very lovely engine as is. It would not be nearly as attractive in you un-built it. IMHO ? Alan in Michigan --- On Sun, 3/25/12, Patrick Livingstone wrote: From: Patrick Livingstone Subject: Re: [SEL] A new toy finally home To: "ATIS" Date: Sunday, March 25, 2012, 6:33 PM The short story on the converted engines: R-T started making engines with a vertical (no.51) in c1906. They then built both vertical and horizontal pushrod engines with a belt driven governor. The later pushrod engines had a shaft driven flyball governor. These engines were not very successful so in August 1908 Ronaldson-Tippett started making sideshaft engines based on Carters Patent (as seen with Blackstone engines). The first sideshaft engine was No.217. To recoup some of the money spent building the pushrod engines a handful were rebuilt as sideshaft engines in 1911. It is not known if these are engines that were never sold, bought back or traded in. All of the converted engines bear evidence of their previous existence. Mine has the mounting holes for the cam gear and cutouts in the engine bed to allow for the gear on one side and the water pump eccentric on the other. The cylindrical muffler inboard of the cooling tower is also different than the 'standard' Austral. How do I know what the original engine number is? Well R-T always left the original numbers on the big end bearing. They have a long history of refurbishing engines so they left the original number, hidden, so they could easily identify an engine if it came back to the factory for a rebuild. My engine's original number is 182. The thought is there to un-rebuild the engine but it has been in its current form for over 100 years and runs very, very sweet. It is a pretty unusual engine in its current form but I may look at the logistics of un-rebuilding it in a few years. Patrick Patrick M Livingstone 0418 692013 Earlwood NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Mar 25 17:30:36 2012 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 20:30:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] A new toy finally home Message-ID: <6c48b.3c9035e3.3ca112ac@aol.com> In a message dated 3/25/2012 6:47:57 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, patrick.livingstone at gmail.com writes: The short story on the converted engines: ------------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks Patrick. That is really interesting about the conversions Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. germoamer at aol.com From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Mon Mar 26 02:03:17 2012 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 20:03:17 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Canberra Rally 2012 In-Reply-To: <6B2C2358-8EAE-459A-9ACF-5740C7237EE8@windstream.net> Message-ID: Some video of the Kynoch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTNZAouPPdc On 24/3/12 10:31 AM, "Michael Tucker" wrote: > Thanks for the pictures and the captions? gotta love that Kynoch! > > Mike > > On Mar 23, 2012, at 6:28 AM, Patrick Livingstone wrote: > >> >> I have now updated the pages with (hopefully) correct descriptions: >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/can12/index.htm >> >> >> Patrick M Livingstone >> 0418 692013 >> Earlwood NSW >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Patrick M Livingstone 0418 692013 Earlwood NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html From rotigel at me.com Mon Mar 26 12:20:00 2012 From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 15:20:00 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 3.5 HP New Holland In-Reply-To: References: <9302340.1332294305802.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <1A5F742A-AD87-49E2-809E-5DD4B76E74B6@me.com> Message-ID: The mag is a Bosh, the spark plug is missing, there is a mouse nest in the cylinder and the oiler is an Essex The S/N is 6794. Is there a S/N-date list for the New Way engines? The last patent date on the plate is 1908. Dave On Mar 22, 2012, at 9:19 AM, Richard Strobel wrote: > Isn't Jimmy Johnson the New Way guru on Stak? I know he's from Washington > state. > > Dave mine is buzzcoil fired but I'll check some pictures I have. > > RickinMt. > > PS: I believe New Way is the featured engine at Rollag this year. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Rotigel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 5:39 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] 3.5 HP New Holland > > >> We will be looking for those things on Monday when we look at the engine. >> Also what kind of mag should be on the engine? >> Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From tchristoff at earthlink.net Mon Mar 26 20:08:56 2012 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 22:08:56 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [SEL] 3.5 HP New Holland Message-ID: <19436240.1332817737089.JavaMail.root@wamui-bucket.atl.sa.earthlink.net> There is no s/n date list Dave. The late Ed Grimsly once told me that a close date would be to add 1 year to the last patent date on the tag and that would be about when it was made. Problem with that is there are a lot of New Ways with a 1908 as the last patent date. I do have an upright with the words "patent applied for" and a 1908 on it so I would guess that it would be about 1909. My twin has a "patent applied" and 1904 on it so I would like to think that it was a 1905. Tim Christoff -----Original Message----- >From: Dave Rotigel >Sent: Mar 26, 2012 2:20 PM >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] 3.5 HP New Holland > >The mag is a Bosh, the spark plug is missing, there is a mouse nest in the cylinder and the oiler is an Essex The S/N is 6794. Is there a S/N-date list for the New Way engines? The last patent date on the plate is 1908. > Dave > >On Mar 22, 2012, at 9:19 AM, Richard Strobel wrote: > >> Isn't Jimmy Johnson the New Way guru on Stak? I know he's from Washington >> state. >> >> Dave mine is buzzcoil fired but I'll check some pictures I have. >> >> RickinMt. >> >> PS: I believe New Way is the featured engine at Rollag this year. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Dave Rotigel" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 5:39 AM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] 3.5 HP New Holland >> >> >>> We will be looking for those things on Monday when we look at the engine. >>> Also what kind of mag should be on the engine? >>> Dave >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Tim Christoff From rotigel at me.com Tue Mar 27 13:28:28 2012 From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 16:28:28 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 3.5 HP New Holland In-Reply-To: <19436240.1332817737089.JavaMail.root@wamui-bucket.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <19436240.1332817737089.JavaMail.root@wamui-bucket.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4A4F258C-18FC-4761-9072-82154C8DDEC6@me.com> Thanks Tim (and all who responded.) Good info ALL! Dave On Mar 26, 2012, at 11:08 PM, Tim Christoff wrote: > There is no s/n date list Dave. The late Ed Grimsly once told me that a close date would be to add 1 year to the last patent date on the tag and that would be about when it was made. Problem with that is there are a lot of New Ways with a 1908 as the last patent date. I do have an upright with the words "patent applied for" and a 1908 on it so I would guess that it would be about 1909. My twin has a "patent applied" and 1904 on it so I would like to think that it was a 1905. > > Tim Christoff > > -----Original Message----- >> From: Dave Rotigel >> Sent: Mar 26, 2012 2:20 PM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: Re: [SEL] 3.5 HP New Holland >> >> The mag is a Bosh, the spark plug is missing, there is a mouse nest in the cylinder and the oiler is an Essex The S/N is 6794. Is there a S/N-date list for the New Way engines? The last patent date on the plate is 1908. >> Dave >> >> On Mar 22, 2012, at 9:19 AM, Richard Strobel wrote: >> >>> Isn't Jimmy Johnson the New Way guru on Stak? I know he's from Washington >>> state. >>> >>> Dave mine is buzzcoil fired but I'll check some pictures I have. >>> >>> RickinMt. >>> >>> PS: I believe New Way is the featured engine at Rollag this year. >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Dave Rotigel" >>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 5:39 AM >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] 3.5 HP New Holland >>> >>> >>>> We will be looking for those things on Monday when we look at the engine. >>>> Also what kind of mag should be on the engine? >>>> Dave >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > Tim Christoff > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Mar 27 13:53:05 2012 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 16:53:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] A new toy finally home In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <222da12de5ac35ece289e69a2f237641.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com> I do believe that you're referring to the 4 hp "drop frame" Robertsonville, with the custom angled wheels to allow it to run securely on the sides of the steep PA hills. 8-)) On Sat, March 24, 2012 8:22 pm, Dave Rotigel wrote: > VERY NICE Patrick! (Arnie had an engine some time ago that also had a > "bent axle transporter". Arnie, what was that engine, I've forgotten!) > Dave From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Mar 27 14:54:27 2012 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 17:54:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Wooden Split Pulley refurbish In-Reply-To: <4F6E28F3.50909@wcnet.org> References: <4F6E28F3.50909@wcnet.org> Message-ID: <6b2bd844078ba97b08a49491f03396e1.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com> Bob, A friend who works with wood a lot swears by stuff called "penetrating resin." http://tlc.howstuffworks.com/home/guide-to-furniture-finishes-ga2.htm I think using Quic Poly would probably do a similar job. See ya, Arnie On Sat, March 24, 2012 4:05 pm, Bob wrote: > What is the recommended way to restore wooden pulleys that have > dried out considerably? I am re-assembling a line shaft driven Prentice > Bros. lathe and a floor drill press in the blacksmith shop at the Wood > County Museum - www.woodcountyhistory.org . I have a couple of wooden > split pulleys that are very dry. The laminations do not appear to be > loose but I am afraid they might come loose with use. Maybe a coat of > linseed oil? Any suggestions? > -- > Bob Willman > The Eagle's Anvil From rob at rustyiron.com Tue Mar 27 15:14:22 2012 From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 15:14:22 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Wooden Split Pulley refurbish In-Reply-To: <6b2bd844078ba97b08a49491f03396e1.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com> References: <4F6E28F3.50909@wcnet.org> <6b2bd844078ba97b08a49491f03396e1.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com> Message-ID: <363D294C-A768-4A0E-8EED-7BC2089D2EB6@rustyiron.com> On Mar 27, 2012, at 2:54 PM, Arnie Fero wrote: > Bob, > > A friend who works with wood a lot swears by stuff called "penetrating > resin." > http://tlc.howstuffworks.com/home/guide-to-furniture-finishes-ga2.htm > > I think using Quic Poly would probably do a similar job. Funny you should say that, Arnie. Our apple press, when we got it, had all original wood, but it was no longer ?good.? The last 4? or so of the end grain on the uprights was all dried out and splintery. I taped up around the sides with masking tape, then poured Kwik-Poly right into the end grain. It soaked right in, and within minutes was hard like a rock. That was a dozen years ago, and the repaired sections will probably last the rest of my life. I didn?t expect it to work so well. Had I known, I would have put in more effort to make the masking tape dam perfect and to add color to the Kwik-Poly. It hardens up a little milky, and doesn?t like to take color after it?s hard. Rob From enginepaul at gmail.com Tue Mar 27 15:32:37 2012 From: enginepaul at gmail.com (STRAIGHT from SanFran) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 15:32:37 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Wooden Split Pulley refurbish In-Reply-To: <4F6E28F3.50909@wcnet.org> References: <4F6E28F3.50909@wcnet.org> Message-ID: Try this company; the owner has been saving wood for years: http://www.smithandcompany.org/ On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 1:05 PM, Bob wrote: > ? ? What is the recommended way to restore wooden pulleys that have > dried out considerably? I am re-assembling a line shaft driven Prentice > Bros. lathe and a floor drill press in the blacksmith shop at the Wood > County Museum - www.woodcountyhistory.org . I have a couple of wooden > split pulleys that are very dry. The laminations do not appear to be > loose but I am afraid they might come loose with use. Maybe a coat of > linseed oil? Any suggestions? > > -- > Bob Willman > The Eagle's Anvil > Bowling Green, Ohio > WB8NQW > > The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground. > > Thomas Jefferson > in a letter to E. Carrington, > May 27,1788 > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bboyce at swat.coop Fri Mar 30 12:46:26 2012 From: bboyce at swat.coop (bill boyce) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 14:46:26 -0500 Subject: [SEL] round belting for water pump Message-ID: <795A1802764149BE9A4496898103F367@billPC> i;m looking for some round belting info,,,, there is a 7 inch dia. by 1/2 inch round belt grove cast into the inside hub of one of the flywheels on my stover 22, from which i plan to drive a water pump . i;ve never used round belting, so i need some guidance here..... what is the best material for this application ? how do you splice it ? where can i buy it by the foot ? i plan on using a gear pump that has 3/4 inch pipe thread inlet and outlet, with a 5/8 inch shaft,,, how small of a pulley can be used with the 1/2 inch belt ? will the 7 inch drive turn the 2 or 3 inch driven pulley fast enough to move enough water to cool the engine? its a throttler that gets pretty warm, but only runs at about 80 or 90 rpm , so thats going to turn the pump only about 200 or so rpm,,,i dont have any stats on the pump output,,,,,,,,, any ideas will be appreciated,, bill boyce lost prairie, arkansas From jlb94 at juno.com Fri Mar 30 13:20:24 2012 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 20:20:24 GMT Subject: [SEL] round belting for water pump Message-ID: <20120330.162024.17986.0@webmail09.vgs.untd.com> Hi Bill, I'm pretty sure round leather belting up to 3/8" can be purchased from Lee W. Pederson, 78 Taft Avenue, Lynbrook, New York 11563. (Phone ???) Advertisment in GEM. You might also find some at Hit and Miss Enterprises, in Orwell, OH 440-272-5335. I was always surprised to see just what looks like a "Hog Ring" used for splicing the belt together. That's probably the best I can do for you. Hope you find a good source. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz \/)"(\/ (_0_) "Properly trained, A man can be dog?s best friend." (Cory Ford) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "bill boyce" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Subject: [SEL] round belting for water pump Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 14:46:26 -0500 i;m looking for some round belting info,,,, there is a 7 inch dia. by 1/2 inch round belt grove cast into the inside hub of one of the flywheels on my stover 22, from which i plan to drive a water pump . i;ve never used round belting, so i need some guidance here..... what is the best material for this application ? how do you splice it ? where can i buy it by the foot ? i plan on using a gear pump that has 3/4 inch pipe thread inlet and outlet, with a 5/8 inch shaft,,, how small of a pulley can be used with the 1/2 inch belt ? will the 7 inch drive turn the 2 or 3 inch driven pulley fast enough to move enough water to cool the engine? its a throttler that gets pretty warm, but only runs at about 80 or 90 rpm , so thats going to turn the pump only about 200 or so rpm,,,i dont have any stats on the pump output,,,,,,,,, any ideas will be appreciated,, bill boyce lost prairie, arkansas _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel ____________________________________________________________ 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4f7615b7c05d82b55f2fst01vuc From edstoller at earthlink.net Fri Mar 30 13:28:48 2012 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed Stoller) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 16:28:48 -0400 Subject: [SEL] round belting for water pump References: <795A1802764149BE9A4496898103F367@billPC> Message-ID: <873E1BCF5F224D9EB96E48631A218917@edlaptop> Just an idea, but I think I have seen round belting on old Singer sewing machines. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT, USA www.enginesandmagnets.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "bill boyce" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 3:46 PM Subject: [SEL] round belting for water pump > i;m looking for some round belting info,,,, there is a 7 inch dia. by 1/2 > inch round belt grove cast into the inside hub of one of the flywheels on > my stover 22, from which i plan to drive a water pump . i;ve never used > round belting, so i need some guidance here..... what is the best material > for this application ? how do you splice it ? where can i buy it by the > foot ? i plan on using a gear pump that has 3/4 inch pipe thread inlet and > outlet, with a 5/8 inch shaft,,, how small of a pulley can be used with > the 1/2 inch belt ? will the 7 inch drive turn the 2 or 3 inch driven > pulley fast enough to move enough water to cool the engine? its a > throttler that gets pretty warm, but only runs at about 80 or 90 rpm , so > thats going to turn the pump only about 200 or so rpm,,,i dont have any > stats on the pump output,,,,,,,,, > any ideas will be appreciated,, > bill boyce > lost prairie, arkansas > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From christison at coastalnet.com Fri Mar 30 13:30:54 2012 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 16:30:54 -0400 Subject: [SEL] round belting for water pump In-Reply-To: <795A1802764149BE9A4496898103F367@billPC> References: <795A1802764149BE9A4496898103F367@billPC> Message-ID: <4F7617FE.50000@coastalnet.com> Bill, Not sure about a half inch belt, but you might check with a sewing machine repairman in your area. I know I used to be able to get 1/4 inch round belt material from one near here. I didn't try for any larger sizes. Good luck. Ken On 3/30/2012 3:46 PM, bill boyce wrote: > i;m looking for some round belting info,,,, there is a 7 inch dia. by 1/2 inch round belt grove cast into the inside hub of one of the flywheels on my stover 22, from which i plan to drive a water pump . i;ve never used round belting, so i need some guidance here..... what is the best material for this application ? how do you splice it ? where can i buy it by the foot ? i plan on using a gear pump that has 3/4 inch pipe thread inlet and outlet, with a 5/8 inch shaft,,, how small of a pulley can be used with the 1/2 inch belt ? will the 7 inch drive turn the 2 or 3 inch driven pulley fast enough to move enough water to cool the engine? its a throttler that gets pretty warm, but only runs at about 80 or 90 rpm , so thats going to turn the pump only about 200 or so rpm,,,i dont have any stats on the pump output,,,,,,,,, > any ideas will be appreciated,, > bill boyce > lost prairie, arkansas > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Mar 30 13:45:32 2012 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 16:45:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] round belting for water pump In-Reply-To: <795A1802764149BE9A4496898103F367@billPC> References: <795A1802764149BE9A4496898103F367@billPC> Message-ID: <15b05e0aa71fd9c9459d8197af5c634c.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com> Bill, McMaster-Carr offers a lot of choices in round belting, both in terms of size and material. http://www.mcmaster.com/#round-belts/=gw46s7 See ya, Arnie On Fri, March 30, 2012 3:46 pm, bill boyce wrote: > i;m looking for some round belting info,,,, there is a 7 inch dia. by 1/2 > inch round belt grove cast into the inside hub of one of the flywheels on > my stover 22, from which i plan to drive a water pump . i;ve never used > round belting, so i need some guidance here..... what is the best material > for this application ? how do you splice it ? where can i buy it by the > foot ? i plan on using a gear pump that has 3/4 inch pipe thread inlet and > outlet, with a 5/8 inch shaft,,, how small of a pulley can be used with > the 1/2 inch belt ? will the 7 inch drive turn the 2 or 3 inch driven > pulley fast enough to move enough water to cool the engine? its a > throttler that gets pretty warm, but only runs at about 80 or 90 rpm , so > thats going to turn the pump only about 200 or so rpm,,,i dont have any > stats on the pump output,,,,,,,,, > any ideas will be appreciated,, > bill boyce > lost prairie, arkansas From Germoamer at aol.com Fri Mar 30 16:15:33 2012 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 19:15:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] old engine photo revisited Message-ID: <3dc27.2a7ea3fd.3ca79895@aol.com> The first part of the month I sent you folks a photo of an old engine that was in my wife's family which made for lots of discussion. For the past three weeks we have been going thru my wife's cousins house to get ready to sell her estate. We are the executors, and has been non stop since her passing March 2. She had no relatives and all her assets will be disposed of. We came across an old photo album and when I picked it up what fell out was another photo of the same engine taken the same day in a different pose. How's that for luck! The two flywheels are definitely mismatched. Pulley seen on the far side. Oiler seen on back side of engine. If that is the muffler on the front side, it is almost bigger than the engine. On bottom of photo is Clayton, 2 yrs old, which is my wife's father's brother, and his age would date the photo to 1919. Very interesting stuff! Have fun! Tom Schmutz Both photos are here: first one _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/old%20engine%20reduced.jpg_ (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/old%20engine%20reduced.jpg) second one _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/clayton%20engine.jpg_ (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/clayton%20engine.jpg) From christison at coastalnet.com Fri Mar 30 17:06:27 2012 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 20:06:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] old engine photo revisited In-Reply-To: <3dc27.2a7ea3fd.3ca79895@aol.com> References: <3dc27.2a7ea3fd.3ca79895@aol.com> Message-ID: <4F764A83.9030000@coastalnet.com> Tom, The piece if front looks almost like a homemade wooden pulley. Sure looks like wood to me, anyway. I wouldn't think it was a muffler. Wouldn't it be neat to find the bill of sale for the engine, or perhaps some correspondence from the dealer. Regardless, it is a neat little piece of history, and a mysterious piece at that:-) Ken On 3/30/2012 7:15 PM, Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > The first part of the month I sent you folks a photo of an old engine that > was in my wife's family which made for lots of discussion. For the past > three weeks we have been going thru my wife's cousins house to get ready to > sell her estate. We are the executors, and has been non stop since her > passing March 2. She had no relatives and all her assets will be disposed of. > > We came across an old photo album and when I picked it up what fell out > was another photo of the same engine taken the same day in a different pose. > How's that for luck! The two flywheels are definitely mismatched. Pulley > seen on the far side. Oiler seen on back side of engine. If that is the > muffler on the front side, it is almost bigger than the engine. On bottom of > photo is Clayton, 2 yrs old, which is my wife's father's brother, and his > age would date the photo to 1919. Very interesting stuff! Have fun! > > Tom Schmutz > > Both photos are here: > > first one > > > _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/old%20engine%20reduced.jpg_ > > (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/old%20engine%20reduced.jpg) > > second one > > _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/clayton%20engine.jpg_ > (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/clayton%20engine.jpg) > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From ddotto at cableone.net Fri Mar 30 17:44:29 2012 From: ddotto at cableone.net (Dave Otto) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 18:44:29 -0600 Subject: [SEL] old engine photo revisited In-Reply-To: <3dc27.2a7ea3fd.3ca79895@aol.com> References: <3dc27.2a7ea3fd.3ca79895@aol.com> Message-ID: <74160E57628241DCB9382D69C116ED5B@shop> Hi Tom My vote is for Sta-Rite they had round flywheels and the governor is on the correct side for a Sta-Rite. Also see the vertical coil spring between the two top spokes in the second picture? Sta-Rites had a speed adjuster in this very location. They also had a cast crank guard as seen in the second picture. I have a nice scan of a Sta-Rite advertizing blotter that I can email to you if you like. It is not the round flywheel version though. Just my thoughts, Dave Dave Otto Boise, Idaho -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Germoamer at aol.com Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 5:16 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] old engine photo revisited The first part of the month I sent you folks a photo of an old engine that was in my wife's family which made for lots of discussion. For the past three weeks we have been going thru my wife's cousins house to get ready to sell her estate. We are the executors, and has been non stop since her passing March 2. She had no relatives and all her assets will be disposed of. We came across an old photo album and when I picked it up what fell out was another photo of the same engine taken the same day in a different pose. How's that for luck! The two flywheels are definitely mismatched. Pulley seen on the far side. Oiler seen on back side of engine. If that is the muffler on the front side, it is almost bigger than the engine. On bottom of photo is Clayton, 2 yrs old, which is my wife's father's brother, and his age would date the photo to 1919. Very interesting stuff! Have fun! Tom Schmutz Both photos are here: first one _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/old%20engine%20reduced.jpg_ (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/old%20engine%20reduced.jpg) second one _http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/clayton%20engine.jpg_ (http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/clayton%20engine.jpg) _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com Sat Mar 31 02:23:13 2012 From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2012 20:23:13 +1100 Subject: [SEL] Mystery Engine Message-ID: So far no firm ideas on this one. One suggestion is an early Moffat-Virtue but no firm identification yet. Some pics: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/mystery/mysteryh%20001.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/mystery/mysteryh%20002.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/mystery/mysteryh%20003.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/mystery/mysteryh%20004.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/mystery/mysteryh%20005.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/mystery/mysteryh%20006.jpg Any help appreciated. Patrick Patrick M Livingstone 0418 692013 Earlwood NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html