From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Fri Nov  4 07:52:49 2011
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 08:52:49 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Corey Bell's repro lunk mixers
Message-ID: <SNT143-ds3CEC04FB64943B3C080A1BBDA0@phx.gbl>

G'day all;
  Is Corey still around as I'm looking for a mixer for our newly acquired 
9hp Galloway.
  or any of you have one stuffed away and looking for a new home.  I believe 
it will be around inch and a quarter npt.

TIA
RickinMt. 



From mjhamric at yahoo.com  Fri Nov  4 08:23:53 2011
From: mjhamric at yahoo.com (Miles Hamrick)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 08:23:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Corey Bell's repro lunk mixers
In-Reply-To: <SNT143-ds3CEC04FB64943B3C080A1BBDA0@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT143-ds3CEC04FB64943B3C080A1BBDA0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1320420233.27223.YahooMailNeo@web125817.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Dick,
?
I just ordered one for him for my 5hp Galloway and it is nice.? His contact information is as follows:
?
Corey Bell 
12508 Longhorn Ave.
Sapulpa, OK 74066
Phone: 918-227-4407
?
His pricing model is as follows:
?
1/2 inch=$95
3/4 inch=$135
1 inch R.H.=$180
1 inch L.H.=$180
1 1/2 inch R.H.=$195
?
Add $10 for shipping charges.? He is a super nice guy to deal with and very helpful.? 
?
Miles
Shelby, NC


________________________________
From: Richard Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
To: stationary-engine <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>; The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, November 4, 2011 10:52 AM
Subject: [SEL] Corey Bell's repro lunk mixers

G'day all;
? Is Corey still around as I'm looking for a mixer for our newly acquired 
9hp Galloway.
? or any of you have one stuffed away and looking for a new home.? I believe 
it will be around inch and a quarter npt.

TIA
RickinMt. 

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From Germoamer at aol.com  Fri Nov  4 12:13:48 2011
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 15:13:48 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Corey Bell's repro lunk mixers
Message-ID: <435b.4151faf0.3be5936c@aol.com>



 
In a message dated 11/4/2011 11:02:08 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes:

  Is Corey still around as I'm looking for a mixer for our  newly acquired 
9hp Galloway.


I  have a 3/4 inch made by Larry Riley and shipped to someone in  1981.  
Never used.  I will make someone a good deal if  interested.  Contact me off 
list.

Tom  Schmutz
Concord, Va.  
germoamer at aol.com



From sluggo54 at hotmail.com  Sat Nov  5 08:01:21 2011
From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (=?utf-8?B?c2x1Z2dvNTRAaG90bWFpbC5jb20=?=)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 10:01:21 -0500
Subject: [SEL] =?utf-8?q?It=27s_not_iron?=
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP118B1E3627C646FD76A664DCBDB0@phx.gbl>

but it's cool.

 http://www.wimp.com/steamengine/ 

Bruce Younger

"A Nation of Sheep Breeds a Government of Wolves."

From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sat Nov  5 08:22:50 2011
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 09:22:50 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Corey Bell's repro lunk mixers
In-Reply-To: <SNT143-ds3CEC04FB64943B3C080A1BBDA0@phx.gbl>
	<1320420233.27223.YahooMailNeo@web125817.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <SNT143-ds3CEC04FB64943B3C080A1BBDA0@phx.gbl>
	<1320420233.27223.YahooMailNeo@web125817.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <SNT143-ds1756203ED0C970FEC91AF1BBDB0@phx.gbl>

Many thanks for the reply, Miles.  And which size did you use?  I imagine it 
was a left hand model.

Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Miles Hamrick" <mjhamric at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 9:23 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Corey Bell's repro lunk mixers


Dick,

I just ordered one for him for my 5hp Galloway and it is nice. His contact 
information is as follows:

Corey Bell
12508 Longhorn Ave.
Sapulpa, OK 74066
Phone: 918-227-4407

His pricing model is as follows:

1/2 inch=$95
3/4 inch=$135
1 inch R.H.=$180
1 inch L.H.=$180
1 1/2 inch R.H.=$195

Add $10 for shipping charges. He is a super nice guy to deal with and very 
helpful.

Miles
Shelby, NC


________________________________
From: Richard Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
To: stationary-engine <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>; The SEL email 
discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, November 4, 2011 10:52 AM
Subject: [SEL] Corey Bell's repro lunk mixers

G'day all;
Is Corey still around as I'm looking for a mixer for our newly acquired
9hp Galloway.
or any of you have one stuffed away and looking for a new home. I believe
it will be around inch and a quarter npt.

TIA
RickinMt.

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From mathjr at optusnet.com.au  Sat Nov  5 15:25:14 2011
From: mathjr at optusnet.com.au (John Mathieson)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 09:25:14 +1100
Subject: [SEL] 4 HP International  Famous
Message-ID: <90910A5452294C098E5B333F913D1F2C@jackospc>

I am just completing the restoration of a 4HP International Famous horizontal SN 780E. I am in need of a cam gear to finish the project. Can anyone help out here please. Thanks in advance. John

From curt at rustyiron.com  Mon Nov  7 13:05:56 2011
From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 13:05:56 -0800
Subject: [SEL] 4 HP International  Famous
In-Reply-To: <90910A5452294C098E5B333F913D1F2C@jackospc>
References: <90910A5452294C098E5B333F913D1F2C@jackospc>
Message-ID: <5fa60887d7b370b87e20f02508dd430d.squirrel@elara.lunarservers.com>


John,
How about Ed Paine on your side of the pond?
Curt Holland

> I am just completing the restoration of a 4HP International Famous
> horizontal SN 780E. I am in need of a cam gear to finish the project. Can
> anyone help out here please. Thanks in advance. John
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From mathjr at optusnet.com.au  Mon Nov  7 13:18:08 2011
From: mathjr at optusnet.com.au (John Mathieson)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 08:18:08 +1100
Subject: [SEL] 4 HP International  Famous
References: <90910A5452294C098E5B333F913D1F2C@jackospc>
	<5fa60887d7b370b87e20f02508dd430d.squirrel@elara.lunarservers.com>
Message-ID: <B02D4244E7A24E59829EFB9093A260AA@jackospc>

Hi Curt, Edd got rid of his Famous spares but I have a lead on one in Ohio & 
possibly one here in NSW. Thanks for your suggestion. Regards John
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <curt at rustyiron.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 8:05 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] 4 HP International Famous


>
> John,
> How about Ed Paine on your side of the pond?
> Curt Holland
>
>> I am just completing the restoration of a 4HP International Famous
>> horizontal SN 780E. I am in need of a cam gear to finish the project. Can
>> anyone help out here please. Thanks in advance. John
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>>
>
>
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From russ4518 at gmail.com  Mon Nov  7 20:22:56 2011
From: russ4518 at gmail.com (russ cook)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 22:22:56 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Yanmar type s3 diesel engine
Message-ID: <CAD+4BX+1JLrKbkaNCpucK==CPPqsDT6+-E2CQuqQJUS+rW+Niw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi there in look for info on a yanmar diesel hitmiss engine if anybody can
help me out just bought it . Thanks Russ


From frappi at wcoil.com  Wed Nov  9 11:30:53 2011
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 14:30:53 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Wapakonetta Ohio Swap Meet
Message-ID: <20111109193049.DAA569638@smtp.wcoil.com>



Looking forward to one last swap in this area for the year.  (Wapak) 
Wapakonetta Ohio USA At the Auglaize Co fair grounds this Friday and Saturday.

Looking like it will be chilly but no rain. The gals in the Kitchen 
will feed you well, and into a diabetic coma if you so choose! See Ya 
There.   Mark




Mark Shulaw
454 County Road 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817
USA

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From asouth42 at embarqmail.com  Thu Nov 10 17:12:51 2011
From: asouth42 at embarqmail.com (Arthur Southwell)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 20:12:51 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT: 11-11-11
Message-ID: <D19D3FF9FA974E2C9D7B01E60E468DCD@ArthurHP2>

To all veterans and active duty military:
THANK YOU! for your service to our great nation.

To The Greatest Generation: Thanks you for me not being forced to learn German and or Japanese.

Especially tomorrow, thank a vet.

C?ya,
Arthur




Arthur Southwell
Arcadia, FL 34266 USA

asouth42 at embarqmail.com









Arthur Southwell
Arcadia, FL 34266 USA

asouth42 at embarqmail.com

From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sun Nov 13 11:06:16 2011
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 12:06:16 -0700
Subject: [SEL] A new to me Whazzit
Message-ID: <SNT143-ds8729005057601173FC956BBC30@phx.gbl>

G'day all;
  Friend of mine picked up this little gem at an auction the other day. 
Sure could use some help ID'ing it.  ~3"bore, ~6" Stroke. Base, cylinder and 
hopper are one casting.

Looks a little Associated but exhaust on this one comes out the back.

Thanks much for looking

RickinMt.

http://good-times.webshots.com/album/581815135TFKQaN 



From lew at lewslittlefarm.com  Sun Nov 13 12:13:52 2011
From: lew at lewslittlefarm.com (Lew Best)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 14:13:52 -0600
Subject: [SEL]  Lew Best
In-Reply-To: <SNT143-ds8729005057601173FC956BBC30@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT143-ds8729005057601173FC956BBC30@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <006101cca240$c37652e0$4a62f8a0$@com>

Hi all,
You don't know me, but, I am Lew Best daughter. I have been going through
hoping that I had reached all of the groups that he is on, until this one
came up today. Unfortunantly my dad passed away Thursday afternoon losing a
battle to cancer.

We will be having a graveside funeral service on Tuesday, November 15, 2011
at 2:30pm at Oakwood Cemetery in Waco, Texas. His obituary has been posted
in the Waco Tribune newspaper today (Sunday) and can also be viewed online
at http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/wacotrib/ If anyone would like to send
flowers, they can be sent to the Waco Memorial Funeral Home on I-35 on
Monday and by the latest, around noon Tuesday.

 I am truly sorry that I didn't find this group before now. If anyone would
like to reach me by private email, you may do so at roonemi at yahoo.com as I
am only checking his email periodically to see if I missed anyone. 

Sincerely,
Emily Daughter of
Lew near Waco, TX



From al.harris at rustic-engines.com  Sun Nov 13 12:59:43 2011
From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 07:59:43 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Lew Best
In-Reply-To: <006101cca240$c37652e0$4a62f8a0$@com>
References: <SNT143-ds8729005057601173FC956BBC30@phx.gbl>
	<006101cca240$c37652e0$4a62f8a0$@com>
Message-ID: <4EC02FBF.4030809@rustic-engines.com>

Emily,

my sincerest condolences.

Speaking for the Oz members of the group who might not see this message 
before Tuesday, I am sure they would want me to offer their condolences 
as well.

All the best to you and family and to all Lew's friends and acquaintances,

Al Harris


On 14/11/2011 7:13 AM, Lew Best wrote:
> Hi all,
> You don't know me, but, I am Lew Best daughter. I have been going through
> hoping that I had reached all of the groups that he is on, until this one
> came up today. Unfortunantly my dad passed away Thursday afternoon losing a
> battle to cancer.
>
> We will be having a graveside funeral service on Tuesday, November 15, 2011
> at 2:30pm at Oakwood Cemetery in Waco, Texas. His obituary has been posted
> in the Waco Tribune newspaper today (Sunday) and can also be viewed online
> at http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/wacotrib/ If anyone would like to send
> flowers, they can be sent to the Waco Memorial Funeral Home on I-35 on
> Monday and by the latest, around noon Tuesday.
>
>   I am truly sorry that I didn't find this group before now. If anyone would
> like to reach me by private email, you may do so at roonemi at yahoo.com as I
> am only checking his email periodically to see if I missed anyone.
>
> Sincerely,
> Emily Daughter of
> Lew near Waco, TX
>
>








From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 13 12:57:21 2011
From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 14:57:21 -0600
Subject: [SEL] A new to me Whazzit
Message-ID: <ylq17s3xmvuuprmapvf4ru98.1321217841524@email.android.com>

Don't know what name was put on it but Nelson Brothers built it.
Joe

Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Android phone

Richard Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com> wrote:

>G'day all;
>  Friend of mine picked up this little gem at an auction the other day. 
>Sure could use some help ID'ing it.  ~3"bore, ~6" Stroke. Base, cylinder and 
>hopper are one casting.
>
>Looks a little Associated but exhaust on this one comes out the back.
>
>Thanks much for looking
>
>RickinMt.
>
>http://good-times.webshots.com/album/581815135TFKQaN 
>
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From briwatt at optusnet.com.au  Tue Nov 15 22:05:13 2011
From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 17:05:13 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Fw: Clutterbuck sale on Utube
Message-ID: <705082A55D8948D99CDB7C8273683157@FREDDY>




We have just put a video on Utube of an eng we are selling.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXBr12FH9eI

Brian Watts
briwatt at optusnet.com.au
(03) 97266147

David Watts
damewatt at bigpond.com.au
(03) 87616332


From briwatt at optusnet.com.au  Tue Nov 15 22:50:03 2011
From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 17:50:03 +1100
Subject: [SEL] test
Message-ID: <2AAFFB786A8A4EB3B1CA2AAADDA588BC@BrianPC>



From briwatt at optusnet.com.au  Wed Nov 16 00:04:06 2011
From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 19:04:06 +1100
Subject: [SEL] test
Message-ID: <12FAC9976A08423A882E175EDC3D1452@BrianPC>

is the list down?

From briwatt at optusnet.com.au  Wed Nov 16 00:15:28 2011
From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 19:15:28 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Clutterbuck sale on Utube
Message-ID: <0FB5C14850F149BFBCF35818FB868B76@BrianPC>


We have just put a video on Utube of an eng we sre selling,link below for 10hp Clutterbuck,

http://www.youtube.com/user/brianvwatts




Brian Watts
briwatt at optusnet.com.au
(03) 97266147

David Watts
damewatt at bigpond.com.au
(03) 87616332

videos..


From marinesurveys at msn.com  Wed Nov 16 00:13:36 2011
From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 03:13:36 -0500
Subject: [SEL] test
In-Reply-To: <12FAC9976A08423A882E175EDC3D1452@BrianPC>
References: <12FAC9976A08423A882E175EDC3D1452@BrianPC>
Message-ID: <COL106-W53C148EDA35530884F8F70B4C60@phx.gbl>


Brian; I'm seeing your post

 
 
                  Best Regards
             
           Franklin S. Skinner 
      Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870  Cell 910-612-7470



 

> From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au
> To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 19:04:06 +1100
> Subject: [SEL] test
> 
> is the list down?
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
 		 	   		  

From al.harris at rustic-engines.com  Wed Nov 16 00:16:23 2011
From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 19:16:23 +1100
Subject: [SEL] test
In-Reply-To: <12FAC9976A08423A882E175EDC3D1452@BrianPC>
References: <12FAC9976A08423A882E175EDC3D1452@BrianPC>
Message-ID: <4EC37157.7080706@rustic-engines.com>

no brian.

On 16/11/2011 7:04 PM, Brian Watts wrote:
> is the list down?
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From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Wed Nov 16 00:19:46 2011
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 19:19:46 +1100
Subject: [SEL] test
In-Reply-To: <12FAC9976A08423A882E175EDC3D1452@BrianPC>
References: <12FAC9976A08423A882E175EDC3D1452@BrianPC>
Message-ID: <4EC37222.8030205@optusnet.com.au>

On 16/11/2011 7:04 PM, Brian Watts wrote:
> is the list down?
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>
G'Day Brian, coming in loud and clear in Lithgow
Kerry


From rdhaskell at juno.com  Wed Nov 16 10:30:40 2011
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 10:30:40 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Paint match
Message-ID: <20111116.103140.22029.66438@mailpop24.vgs.untd.com>

Hi all.
I want to paint my Blackstone engine, the correct paint is Mid Brunswick
Green BS 381C.  What is the closest match in something I can buy here in
the USA?
All the paint stores I have contacted here don't have a clue.  Thanks


Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell

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From frappi at wcoil.com  Wed Nov 16 11:01:34 2011
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 14:01:34 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Paint match
In-Reply-To: <20111116.103140.22029.66438@mailpop24.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20111116.103140.22029.66438@mailpop24.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <20111116190130.D1B8F9605@smtp.wcoil.com>

Hi Ron,
  Not being familiar with Mid Brunswick Green BS 381C , I wonder is 
it a dark green similar to FBM, Witte, the original Maytag, or Lauson 
Frost King  green?
    If its close to the old Maytag green I can provide modern paints 
formulas for a couple different paint systems both by DuPont. I 
believe Wendel's note book has codes for the other engine brands.

Mark


At 01:30 PM 11/16/2011, you wrote:
>Hi all.
>I want to paint my Blackstone engine, the correct paint is Mid Brunswick
>Green BS 381C.  What is the closest match in something I can buy here in
>the USA?
>All the paint stores I have contacted here don't have a clue.  Thanks
>
>
>Ron Haskell
>rdhaskell at juno.com
>Riverside, California USA
>http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell
>
>____________________________________________________________
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Mark Shulaw
454 County Road 33
Bluffton, OH. 45817
USA

Frappi at wcoil.com / 419.358.5206  Home
Hobby Collector and Dealer in John Deere
and Hercules Engines.
Maytag Multi-Motor Engine parts.
VISIT the Maytag Collectors Club at  www.Maytagclub.com  



From russell at ncable.com.au  Wed Nov 16 13:11:34 2011
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 08:11:34 +1100
Subject: [SEL] test
In-Reply-To: <12FAC9976A08423A882E175EDC3D1452@BrianPC>
References: <12FAC9976A08423A882E175EDC3D1452@BrianPC>
Message-ID: <6B7D3247-474A-437D-B56F-051A9EF88219@ncable.com.au>

Brian your engine sale note and your test is all good
Russell
On 16/11/2011, at 7:04 PM, Brian Watts wrote:

> is the list down?
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From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Wed Nov 16 13:15:51 2011
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 08:15:51 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Paint match
In-Reply-To: <20111116.103140.22029.66438@mailpop24.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20111116.103140.22029.66438@mailpop24.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <4EC42807.2040601@optusnet.com.au>

On 17/11/2011 5:30 AM, rdhaskell at juno.com wrote:
> Hi all.
> I want to paint my Blackstone engine, the correct paint is Mid Brunswick
> Green BS 381C.  What is the closest match in something I can buy here in
> the USA?
> All the paint stores I have contacted here don't have a clue.  Thanks
>
>
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California USA
> http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell
>
> ____________________________________________________________
> Get Free Email with Video Mail&  Video Chat!
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From russell at ncable.com.au  Wed Nov 16 13:22:10 2011
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 08:22:10 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Paint match
In-Reply-To: <4EC42807.2040601@optusnet.com.au>
References: <20111116.103140.22029.66438@mailpop24.vgs.untd.com>
	<4EC42807.2040601@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <0A027225-53DA-4B00-BE0E-54C66BABB16B@ncable.com.au>

So what are you trying to say Kerry !!!



On 17/11/2011, at 8:15 AM, Kerry wrote:

> On 17/11/2011 5:30 AM, rdhaskell at juno.com wrote:
>> Hi all.
>> I want to paint my Blackstone engine, the correct paint is Mid Brunswick
>> Green BS 381C.  What is the closest match in something I can buy here in
>> the USA?
>> All the paint stores I have contacted here don't have a clue.  Thanks
>> 
>> 
>> Ron Haskell
>> rdhaskell at juno.com
>> Riverside, California USA
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From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Wed Nov 16 13:50:58 2011
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 08:50:58 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Paint match
In-Reply-To: <20111116.103140.22029.66438@mailpop24.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20111116.103140.22029.66438@mailpop24.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <4EC43042.20708@optusnet.com.au>

G'Day Ron
Sorry about the last post, slipped out unloaded.
You may need to check out the source of your paint color, Mid Brunswick 
is way to light, Michael Key the English Register of Blackstone states 
in his books "The Blackstone Collection" that Deep Bronze Green 
BS381c224, lined out with Brilliant Green BS 381c.221. the crankshaft 
weights in Post Office RED and flywheels Black with the rim burnished.
Getting that match in the US will still be a problem but make sure your 
after the right shade.

Kerry






On 17/11/2011 5:30 AM, rdhaskell at juno.com wrote:
> Hi all.
> I want to paint my Blackstone engine, the correct paint is Mid Brunswick
> Green BS 381C.  What is the closest match in something I can buy here in
> the USA?
> All the paint stores I have contacted here don't have a clue.  Thanks
>
>
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California USA
> http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell
>
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From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Wed Nov 16 13:55:08 2011
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 08:55:08 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Paint match
In-Reply-To: <0A027225-53DA-4B00-BE0E-54C66BABB16B@ncable.com.au>
References: <20111116.103140.22029.66438@mailpop24.vgs.untd.com>
	<4EC42807.2040601@optusnet.com.au>
	<0A027225-53DA-4B00-BE0E-54C66BABB16B@ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <4EC4313C.50803@optusnet.com.au>

Too early in the day?
Kerry


On 17/11/2011 8:22 AM, Russell wrote:
> So what are you trying to say Kerry !!!
>



From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk  Wed Nov 16 14:06:58 2011
From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (Craig Morrison)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 22:06:58 -0000
Subject: [SEL] aging new timber to look old
Message-ID: <ED2E1F6EF6034D02AF6F318ECB3484FC@craig8b4f43368>

Hi,
        As the title says, does anyone have any ideas how to age the new timber used on an engine cart so as it looks period to an original looking engine.(ie; not shiny as using a wood preservative will leave it)
    Any thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks, Craig

From curt at rustyiron.com  Wed Nov 16 15:05:37 2011
From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 15:05:37 -0800
Subject: [SEL] aging new timber to look old
In-Reply-To: <ED2E1F6EF6034D02AF6F318ECB3484FC@craig8b4f43368>
References: <ED2E1F6EF6034D02AF6F318ECB3484FC@craig8b4f43368>
Message-ID: <942f5ab58bbe2e47c1f3df5f9ebf4211.squirrel@elara.lunarservers.com>

Craig,
A piece of the aging process might include a light sandblasting. That will
remove a little of the softer wood and leave the grain a little higher,
something you would see with natually aged wood.
Then I'd be tempted to wipe the wood down with some really dirty motor
oil, and rub this back off.
Curt Holland
Bessemer City, NC

> Hi,
>         As the title says, does anyone have any ideas how to age the new
> timber used on an engine cart so as it looks period to an original
> looking engine.(ie; not shiny as using a wood preservative will
> leave it)
>     Any thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks, Craig
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From edstoller at earthlink.net  Wed Nov 16 15:18:32 2011
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed Stoller)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 18:18:32 -0500
Subject: [SEL] aging new timber to look old
References: <ED2E1F6EF6034D02AF6F318ECB3484FC@craig8b4f43368>
	<942f5ab58bbe2e47c1f3df5f9ebf4211.squirrel@elara.lunarservers.com>
Message-ID: <120A98A2883B4765A588FD30A20F41B1@edlaptop>

I was going to suggest the dirty motor oil too. If it was too black, you 
could wash it with a solvent.

Ed Stoller
New Fairfield,  CT,   USA
www.enginesandmagnets.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <curt at rustyiron.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 6:05 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] aging new timber to look old


> Craig,
> A piece of the aging process might include a light sandblasting. That will
> remove a little of the softer wood and leave the grain a little higher,
> something you would see with natually aged wood.
> Then I'd be tempted to wipe the wood down with some really dirty motor
> oil, and rub this back off.
> Curt Holland
> Bessemer City, NC
>
>> Hi,
>>         As the title says, does anyone have any ideas how to age the new
>> timber used on an engine cart so as it looks period to an original
>> looking engine.(ie; not shiny as using a wood preservative will
>> leave it)
>>     Any thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks, Craig
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From gasenginetom at hotmail.com  Wed Nov 16 15:42:57 2011
From: gasenginetom at hotmail.com (gasenginetom at hotmail.com)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 18:42:57 -0500
Subject: [SEL] aging new timber to look old
In-Reply-To: <120A98A2883B4765A588FD30A20F41B1@edlaptop>
References: <ED2E1F6EF6034D02AF6F318ECB3484FC@craig8b4f43368>	<942f5ab58bbe2e47c1f3df5f9ebf4211.squirrel@elara.lunarservers.com>
	<120A98A2883B4765A588FD30A20F41B1@edlaptop>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP8043F7324AFB69C0B1F17BC2C60@phx.gbl>

Try lightly singeing the surface with a flame 

Tom winland
Ohio

Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless

-----Original message-----
From: Ed Stoller <edstoller at earthlink.net>
To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wed, Nov 16, 2011 23:18:32 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: [SEL] aging new timber to look old

I was going to suggest the dirty motor oil too. If it was too black, you 
could wash it with a solvent.

Ed Stoller
New Fairfield,  CT,   USA
www.enginesandmagnets.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <curt at rustyiron.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 6:05 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] aging new timber to look old


> Craig,
> A piece of the aging process might include a light sandblasting. That will
> remove a little of the softer wood and leave the grain a little higher,
> something you would see with natually aged wood.
> Then I'd be tempted to wipe the wood down with some really dirty motor
> oil, and rub this back off.
> Curt Holland
> Bessemer City, NC
>
>> Hi,
>>         As the title says, does anyone have any ideas how to age the new
>> timber used on an engine cart so as it looks period to an original
>> looking engine.(ie; not shiny as using a wood preservative will
>> leave it)
>>     Any thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks, Craig
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From BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com  Wed Nov 16 15:43:57 2011
From: BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com (BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 18:43:57 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] aging new timber to look old
Message-ID: <3f323.62d69a6a.3bf5a4bd@aol.com>

Craig  if you can get your hands on some old creosote that's what they  
used to treat railroad timbers with would work well. 
 
KK 
 
 
In a message dated 11/16/2011 5:12:18 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
benzengines at tiscali.co.uk writes:

Hi,
As the title says, does anyone  have any ideas how to age the new timber 
used on an engine cart so as it looks  period to an original looking 
engine.(ie; not shiny as using a wood  preservative will leave it)
Any thoughts or suggestions would  be appreciated.

Thanks,  Craig
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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Wed Nov 16 16:56:07 2011
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 16:56:07 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Paint match
Message-ID: <20111116.165612.1645.1638@mailpop21.vgs.untd.com>

Thanks Mark.
It seems I was asking about the wrong color.  What I really need is Deep
Bronze Green  BS381c-224.  It is extremely dark, at least that is how my
monitor shows it.  Will probably need someone from England or Australia
to send a color chip to take to the paint shop to match.  Thanks for your
reply.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell

On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 14:01:34 -0500 Mark Shulaw <frappi at wcoil.com> writes:
> Hi Ron,
>   Not being familiar with Mid Brunswick Green BS 381C , I wonder is 
> 
> it a dark green similar to FBM, Witte, the original Maytag, or 
> Lauson 
> Frost King  green?
>     If its close to the old Maytag green I can provide modern paints 
> 
> formulas for a couple different paint systems both by DuPont. I 
> believe Wendel's note book has codes for the other engine brands.
> 
> Mark
>
____________________________________________________________
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The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried
http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4ec45bb63619717f490ast01vuc


From curt at rustyiron.com  Wed Nov 16 17:30:56 2011
From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 17:30:56 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Paint match
In-Reply-To: <20111116.165612.1645.1638@mailpop21.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20111116.165612.1645.1638@mailpop21.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <c6edbfe0ba38319c7e126d73119b2fac.squirrel@elara.lunarservers.com>


Ron,
Better yet just have them send an engine. You might or might not actually
return the engine ;-)
Curt

> Thanks Mark.
> It seems I was asking about the wrong color.  What I really need is Deep
> Bronze Green  BS381c-224.  It is extremely dark, at least that is how my
> monitor shows it.  Will probably need someone from England or Australia
> to send a color chip to take to the paint shop to match.  Thanks for your
> reply.




From rdhaskell at juno.com  Wed Nov 16 17:58:31 2011
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 17:58:31 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Paint match
Message-ID: <20111116.175919.1645.1886@mailpop21.vgs.untd.com>

That works for me.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell

On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 17:30:56 -0800 curt at rustyiron.com writes:
> 
> Ron,
> Better yet just have them send an engine. You might or might not 
> actually
> return the engine ;-)
> Curt
____________________________________________________________
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Her Clever Wrinkle Therapy Angers Botox Doctors. We Reveal How
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From sutter6 at bigpond.net.au  Thu Nov 17 02:13:04 2011
From: sutter6 at bigpond.net.au (sutter)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 21:13:04 +1100
Subject: [SEL] "Premier" Engine??
Message-ID: <AF027D629BE84295B9F0D3784D7A2417@rodfew3c793iy9>

Hello SEL List

 

Would anyone know anything about an engine that has "Premier Engine - T
Richardson - . Elizabeth St , Melbourne" on the name plate. I saw it today
in a shed not far from my place - the owner has had 2 x timing gears made
for it - but did not know much about it - he thought it was from around
1912-14.

 

It is a vertical with one really heavy flywheel on a heavy open cast iron
stand that sits on a steel transporter with a large square water tank that
has 2 or 3 "baffle" plates inside. Looks to be around 3HP - atmospheric
inlet valve, Bosch Mag.(DA4 ??) and Schebler carby. It looked a bit like a
marine engine but the water tank and transporter looked original.

 

Could get a photo if necessary.

 

Regards

 

Rod Sutter

sutter6 at bigpond.net.au

 



From ilifa at internode.on.net  Thu Nov 17 03:05:51 2011
From: ilifa at internode.on.net (Eric Schulz)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 22:05:51 +1100
Subject: [SEL] "Premier" Engine??
In-Reply-To: <AF027D629BE84295B9F0D3784D7A2417@rodfew3c793iy9>
References: <AF027D629BE84295B9F0D3784D7A2417@rodfew3c793iy9>
Message-ID: <94539272-324D-4FED-8A37-D64A1650528B@internode.on.net>

Premier engines are pretty rare. The oldest reference to them that I know of is advertising in 1910. It has been suggested that production ended in 1916, but that has not been verified.
They do have a marine base, but were not advertised as a marine engine. See the 1910 ad. These are not good copies, especially one, done maybe 30 or more years ago. Copiers have improved enormously since then.

Eric

[IMG]http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc10/Antique_Engines/Premier1.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc10/Antique_Engines/Premier2copy.jpg[/IMG]


From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Thu Nov 17 04:15:36 2011
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 12:15:36 -0000
Subject: [SEL] "Premier" Engine??
In-Reply-To: <94539272-324D-4FED-8A37-D64A1650528B@internode.on.net>
References: <AF027D629BE84295B9F0D3784D7A2417@rodfew3c793iy9>
	<94539272-324D-4FED-8A37-D64A1650528B@internode.on.net>
Message-ID: <B9CA9D178A3C444D9B93031AC7B76346@BTDAVEPC>

Hi Eric. I had a problem opening that until I modified the address to
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/cc10/Antique_Engines/Premier1.jpg
Dave Croft
http://oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Eric Schulz" <ilifa at internode.on.net>
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 11:05 AM
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] "Premier" Engine??

> Premier engines are pretty rare. The oldest reference to them that I know 
> of is advertising in 1910. It has been suggested that production ended in 
> 1916, but that has not been verified.
> They do have a marine base, but were not advertised as a marine engine. 
> See the 1910 ad. These are not good copies, especially one, done maybe 30 
> or more years ago. Copiers have improved enormously since then.
>
> Eric
>
> [IMG]http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc10/Antique_Engines/Premier1.jpg[/IMG]
>
> [IMG]http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc10/Antique_Engines/Premier2copy.jpg[/IMG]
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From mjhamric at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 17 07:49:13 2011
From: mjhamric at yahoo.com (Miles Hamrick)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 07:49:13 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] aging new timber to look old
In-Reply-To: <84CAABD5-9E00-4F71-B6D4-DEA9813EF2B1@yahoo.com>
References: <ED2E1F6EF6034D02AF6F318ECB3484FC@craig8b4f43368>
	<84CAABD5-9E00-4F71-B6D4-DEA9813EF2B1@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1321544953.88523.YahooMailNeo@web125805.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

My Scottish friend!? Take a gallon of vinegar and put a steel wool pad in the jug and the vinager/acid will break down the steel?wool.? Once this happens, apply the solution and you are ready to?roll.? I have done this on log cabins where we have?installed yellow new looking?wood and this turns it a silver brownish?color.? Good luck.
?
P.S we like the new engines you let us bring home they are a nice fit for Mike and I.

Sent from my iPod. 

On Nov 16, 2011, at 5:06 PM, "Craig Morrison" <benzengines at tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

> Hi,
>? ? ? ? As the title says, does anyone have any ideas how to age the new timber used on an engine cart so as it looks period to an original looking engine.(ie; not shiny as using a wood preservative will leave it)
>? ? Any thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated.
> 
> Thanks, Craig
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From bigtime64 at hotmail.com  Thu Nov 17 10:28:43 2011
From: bigtime64 at hotmail.com (Ed Herreid)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 18:28:43 +0000
Subject: [SEL] aging new timber to look old
In-Reply-To: <ED2E1F6EF6034D02AF6F318ECB3484FC@craig8b4f43368>
References: <ED2E1F6EF6034D02AF6F318ECB3484FC@craig8b4f43368>
Message-ID: <BLU159-W52067E97B4DFD7FFD16B0BB4C70@phx.gbl>


Craig,
 
When I assembled the repro cart for my John Deere engine I used pressure treated wood and did not use any other preservative.  The JD external oiling system naturally slung dirty oil all over the wood every time it was run and it was a short time til the oil soaked in and gave it an old aged look.  
 
Ed

 

 

> From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 22:06:58 +0000
> Subject: [SEL] aging new timber to look old
> 
> Hi,
> As the title says, does anyone have any ideas how to age the new timber used on an engine cart so as it looks period to an original looking engine.(ie; not shiny as using a wood preservative will leave it)
> Any thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated.
> 
> Thanks, Craig
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
 		 	   		  

From open_crank at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 17 13:02:23 2011
From: open_crank at yahoo.com (c)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 21:02:23 +0000
Subject: [SEL] British Paints - re Blackstone
Message-ID: <4EC5765F.2070607@yahoo.com>

Hi -

Bit late, but have just seen the string on Blackstone colours.
BSI381c is a British Standards Institute classification for a
paint family. The key number follows the class - eg 224.
Each colour has a specific name, eg Deep Bronze Green.

To match elsewhere in the world, a Google search on BSI381c-224
will yield many hits. One particular technical site I found is
http://www.perbang.dk/rgb/304020/. This gives a bunch of weird
looking numbers, but they all mean something very specific to image
makers - & hopefully paint makers. Gives a very precise definition of
the colour - in this case BSI381c-224. (Same site covers any colour,
not just -224)

Several of the sites saying they have colour matches for -224 seem
to be blank for that colour, although having many other greens.

I have a Blackstone 12hp, & agree with Michael Key's specification.
Very rare to find a Blackstone in any other colour, although I believe
some of the verticals were black.

Colin Osborne




From open_crank at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 17 13:13:24 2011
From: open_crank at yahoo.com (c)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 21:13:24 +0000
Subject: [SEL] British Paints - Blackstone Deep Bronze Green
Message-ID: <4EC578F4.2040307@yahoo.com>

Hi - Follow-up to earlier mail. This colour was widely used on British
(& possibly NATO) vehicles. May be a useful avenue to explore for
sources or matches, if your country has an active military vehicle
restoration heritage.

Good string with one very clear photo of colour at
http://hmvf.co.uk/forumvb/showthread.php?14886-Deep-Bronze-Green-or-MOD-Green

Note the comment that this colour darkens over time, whereas many other 
colours go
lighter.

Colin


From ilifa at internode.on.net  Thu Nov 17 13:21:09 2011
From: ilifa at internode.on.net (Eric Schulz)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 08:21:09 +1100
Subject: [SEL] "Premier" Engine??
In-Reply-To: <B9CA9D178A3C444D9B93031AC7B76346@BTDAVEPC>
References: <AF027D629BE84295B9F0D3784D7A2417@rodfew3c793iy9>
	<94539272-324D-4FED-8A37-D64A1650528B@internode.on.net>
	<B9CA9D178A3C444D9B93031AC7B76346@BTDAVEPC>
Message-ID: <C65CE046-01DD-4B50-9859-93D207A4F851@internode.on.net>

Dave, you are quite correct. I found after posting that too much info was included in the URL, so sent a revised version that didn't show up. Here are the corrected ones.

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc10/Antique_Engines/Premier1.jpg
http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc10/Antique_Engines/Premier2copy.jpg

Eric


From jerrye at databak.co.za  Thu Nov 17 14:15:02 2011
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 00:15:02 +0200
Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 92, Issue 9
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1321549202.20714.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20111117231956.01f5c610@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>

   At 07:00 PM 17/11/11, you wrote:

     Message: 13
     Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 16:56:07 -0800
     From: rdhaskell at juno.com
     Subject: Re: [SEL] Paint match
     Thanks Mark.
     It seems I was asking about the wrong color.  What I really need is
     Deep
     Bronze Green  BS381c-224.  It is extremely dark, at least that is
     how my
     monitor shows it.  Will probably need someone from England or
     Australia
     to send a color chip to take to the paint shop to match.  Thanks for
     your
     reply.
     Ron Haskell

   Hi Ron,
           Those Brits and their "Greens" - Mid Brunswick was used by
   Lister but it was at one time the"standard" green to use for all
   (British) industrial equipment. Very closely related to British Racing
   Green (maybe a "smidge" lighter)

           ISTR that "Deep Bronze Green" was also called "Land Rover
   Green" but not too sure but also closely related to the"Brunswick
   colours". I think that Ruston or Petters used that colour but it's late
   here and I would not "swear to it".
           You can never go by your Monitor colours but a Google search
   for RGB (Red Green Blue) colour equivalent chart can help. Once you
   have found the "RGB" then ask someone who has a graphics programme like
   Photoshop or CorelDraw to do a letter size drawing with a rectangle
   filling the page coloured with that RGB formula. Take that drawing to a
   decent printing company and ask them to print it out on coated paper
   for you (your home inkjet printer may not be as accurate as the high
   quality printers used by the printing company). That will give you
   pretty good idea of the colour and a paint shop can mix from it.
   (Remember that a colour printed onto coated or even a glossy paper will
   vary slightly from the same colour printed onto matte (or Plain) paper.

     ((The colour you mention "BS381c-224" has a small "c" just after the
     381 - that only means that that it is what the the colour will look
     like on a "coated" paper - the printing company will be able to
     explain more than I can !))

   A very quick search gives the RGB equivalent as 30 40 20 (ie 30 parts
   RED - 40 parts Green - 20 parts Blue) but I'm tired and in a hurry so
   best check yourself :-(
   If you like I can do the CorelDraw drawing for you - let me know off
   list.

   Keep the revs up (or down)
   Jerry Evans
   Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
   Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
   <[1]www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>

References

   1. http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm


From rotigel at me.com  Thu Nov 17 16:49:14 2011
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 19:49:14 -0500
Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 92, Issue 9
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20111117231956.01f5c610@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20111117231956.01f5c610@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>
Message-ID: <CA0681BA-39A1-4D42-A443-EACA5C97FB6C@me.com>

If ANYONE on the LIST believes that all the engines that were made by any single engine company (in the early part of the 20th century) were painted the same shade of green (or any other given colo(u)r for that matter) I wish they would contact me off list. I have a BRIDGE for sale!
	Dave

On Nov 17, 2011, at 5:15 PM, Jerry Evans wrote:

>   At 07:00 PM 17/11/11, you wrote:
> 
>     Message: 13
>     Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 16:56:07 -0800
>     From: rdhaskell at juno.com
>     Subject: Re: [SEL] Paint match
>     Thanks Mark.
>     It seems I was asking about the wrong color.  What I really need is
>     Deep
>     Bronze Green  BS381c-224.  It is extremely dark, at least that is
>     how my
>     monitor shows it.  Will probably need someone from England or
>     Australia
>     to send a color chip to take to the paint shop to match.  Thanks for
>     your
>     reply.
>     Ron Haskell
> 
>   Hi Ron,
>           Those Brits and their "Greens" - Mid Brunswick was used by
>   Lister but it was at one time the"standard" green to use for all
>   (British) industrial equipment. Very closely related to British Racing
>   Green (maybe a "smidge" lighter)
> 
>           ISTR that "Deep Bronze Green" was also called "Land Rover
>   Green" but not too sure but also closely related to the"Brunswick
>   colours". I think that Ruston or Petters used that colour but it's late
>   here and I would not "swear to it".
>           You can never go by your Monitor colours but a Google search
>   for RGB (Red Green Blue) colour equivalent chart can help. Once you
>   have found the "RGB" then ask someone who has a graphics programme like
>   Photoshop or CorelDraw to do a letter size drawing with a rectangle
>   filling the page coloured with that RGB formula. Take that drawing to a
>   decent printing company and ask them to print it out on coated paper
>   for you (your home inkjet printer may not be as accurate as the high
>   quality printers used by the printing company). That will give you
>   pretty good idea of the colour and a paint shop can mix from it.
>   (Remember that a colour printed onto coated or even a glossy paper will
>   vary slightly from the same colour printed onto matte (or Plain) paper.
> 
>     ((The colour you mention "BS381c-224" has a small "c" just after the
>     381 - that only means that that it is what the the colour will look
>     like on a "coated" paper - the printing company will be able to
>     explain more than I can !))
> 
>   A very quick search gives the RGB equivalent as 30 40 20 (ie 30 parts
>   RED - 40 parts Green - 20 parts Blue) but I'm tired and in a hurry so
>   best check yourself :-(
>   If you like I can do the CorelDraw drawing for you - let me know off
>   list.
> 
>   Keep the revs up (or down)
>   Jerry Evans
>   Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
>   Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
>   <[1]www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>
> 
> References
> 
>   1. http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From mr at carolina.rr.com  Thu Nov 17 17:17:14 2011
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 20:17:14 -0500
Subject: [SEL] aging new timber to look old
In-Reply-To: <1321544953.88523.YahooMailNeo@web125805.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <ED2E1F6EF6034D02AF6F318ECB3484FC@craig8b4f43368><84CAABD5-9E00-4F71-B6D4-DEA9813EF2B1@yahoo.com>
	<1321544953.88523.YahooMailNeo@web125805.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <34411A49B7DC46BBA5EF12BE96F18187@RoysterPC>

Miles, it's your turn to sell one next week.  I love the instant profit!!!!

MR

-----Original Message----- 
From: Miles Hamrick
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 10:49 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] aging new timber to look old

My Scottish friend!  Take a gallon of vinegar and put a steel wool pad in 
the jug and the vinager/acid will break down the steel wool.  Once this 
happens, apply the solution and you are ready to roll.  I have done this on 
log cabins where we have installed yellow new looking wood and this turns it 
a silver brownish color.  Good luck.

P.S we like the new engines you let us bring home they are a nice fit for 
Mike and I.

Sent from my iPod.

On Nov 16, 2011, at 5:06 PM, "Craig Morrison" <benzengines at tiscali.co.uk> 
wrote:

> Hi,
>        As the title says, does anyone have any ideas how to age the new 
> timber used on an engine cart so as it looks period to an original looking 
> engine.(ie; not shiny as using a wood preservative will leave it)
>    Any thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks, Craig
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From krit33 at comcast.net  Thu Nov 17 17:28:41 2011
From: krit33 at comcast.net (Jim)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 20:28:41 -0500
Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 92, Issue 9
In-Reply-To: <CA0681BA-39A1-4D42-A443-EACA5C97FB6C@me.com>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20111117231956.01f5c610@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>
	<CA0681BA-39A1-4D42-A443-EACA5C97FB6C@me.com>
Message-ID: <30B4F61C-5C18-41AD-8F76-DE4ACAE7851D@comcast.net>

I just got back from England and have seen their paint, if you can't make a deal with Dave on the bridge I have a self installation bridge for sale it will suit you well 

Sent from my iPod

On Nov 17, 2011, at 7:49 PM, Dave Rotigel <rotigel at me.com> wrote:

> If ANYONE on the LIST believes that all the engines that were made by any single engine company (in the early part of the 20th century) were painted the same shade of green (or any other given colo(u)r for that matter) I wish they would contact me off list. I have a BRIDGE for sale!
>    Dave
> 
> On Nov 17, 2011, at 5:15 PM, Jerry Evans wrote:
> 
>>  At 07:00 PM 17/11/11, you wrote:
>> 
>>    Message: 13
>>    Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 16:56:07 -0800
>>    From: rdhaskell at juno.com
>>    Subject: Re: [SEL] Paint match
>>    Thanks Mark.
>>    It seems I was asking about the wrong color.  What I really need is
>>    Deep
>>    Bronze Green  BS381c-224.  It is extremely dark, at least that is
>>    how my
>>    monitor shows it.  Will probably need someone from England or
>>    Australia
>>    to send a color chip to take to the paint shop to match.  Thanks for
>>    your
>>    reply.
>>    Ron Haskell
>> 
>>  Hi Ron,
>>          Those Brits and their "Greens" - Mid Brunswick was used by
>>  Lister but it was at one time the"standard" green to use for all
>>  (British) industrial equipment. Very closely related to British Racing
>>  Green (maybe a "smidge" lighter)
>> 
>>          ISTR that "Deep Bronze Green" was also called "Land Rover
>>  Green" but not too sure but also closely related to the"Brunswick
>>  colours". I think that Ruston or Petters used that colour but it's late
>>  here and I would not "swear to it".
>>          You can never go by your Monitor colours but a Google search
>>  for RGB (Red Green Blue) colour equivalent chart can help. Once you
>>  have found the "RGB" then ask someone who has a graphics programme like
>>  Photoshop or CorelDraw to do a letter size drawing with a rectangle
>>  filling the page coloured with that RGB formula. Take that drawing to a
>>  decent printing company and ask them to print it out on coated paper
>>  for you (your home inkjet printer may not be as accurate as the high
>>  quality printers used by the printing company). That will give you
>>  pretty good idea of the colour and a paint shop can mix from it.
>>  (Remember that a colour printed onto coated or even a glossy paper will
>>  vary slightly from the same colour printed onto matte (or Plain) paper.
>> 
>>    ((The colour you mention "BS381c-224" has a small "c" just after the
>>    381 - that only means that that it is what the the colour will look
>>    like on a "coated" paper - the printing company will be able to
>>    explain more than I can !))
>> 
>>  A very quick search gives the RGB equivalent as 30 40 20 (ie 30 parts
>>  RED - 40 parts Green - 20 parts Blue) but I'm tired and in a hurry so
>>  best check yourself :-(
>>  If you like I can do the CorelDraw drawing for you - let me know off
>>  list.
>> 
>>  Keep the revs up (or down)
>>  Jerry Evans
>>  Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
>>  Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
>>  <[1]www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>
>> 
>> References
>> 
>>  1. http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Thu Nov 17 17:28:48 2011
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 17:28:48 -0800
Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 92, Issue 9
Message-ID: <20111117.172949.1635.47071@mailpop26.vgs.untd.com>

Can you deliver that bridge Dave?

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell

On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 19:49:14 -0500 Dave Rotigel <rotigel at me.com> writes:
> If ANYONE on the LIST believes that all the engines that were made by 
> any single engine company (in the early part of the 20th century) 
> were painted the same shade of green (or any other given colo(u)r 
> for that matter) I wish they would contact me off list. I have a 
> BRIDGE for sale!
____________________________________________________________
57 Year Old Mom Looks 28
Mom Reveals $4 Wrinkle Therapy Angering Doctors! We reveal how......
http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4ec5b511ab67318e7aast03vuc


From rob at rustyiron.com  Thu Nov 17 17:39:11 2011
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 17:39:11 -0800
Subject: [SEL] aging new timber to look old
In-Reply-To: <ED2E1F6EF6034D02AF6F318ECB3484FC@craig8b4f43368>
References: <ED2E1F6EF6034D02AF6F318ECB3484FC@craig8b4f43368>
Message-ID: <4B415BBC-70AE-44C3-9608-5388630BA3A6@rustyiron.com>


On Nov 16, 2011, at 2:06 PM, Craig Morrison wrote:

> Hi,
>        As the title says, does anyone have any ideas how to age the new timber used on an engine cart so as it looks period to an original looking engine.(ie; not shiny as using a wood preservative will leave it)
>    Any thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated.


Hi, Craig.
I?ve done a few projects that required old-looking wood. My recipe is a bit different every time.

I mix it in a disposable pie tin or bowl. These are the basic ingredients, with the biggest component first, working down to the smallest. I start with mostly linseed oil. Into that I?ll pour some dark wood stain. Usually I?ll add some used motor oil. I always add about a tablespoon of black paint, otherwise it?s never dark enough. Sometimes I?ll add about a mouthful or so lacquer thinner, but not aways.

I slop the mixture onto the wood, let it sit, then wipe it off, as you would stain. 

Sometimes the finish comes out looking lighter than I wanted, but it will definitely darken after six months or so. Exposure to sunlight, dirt, heat and oxygen will really make a difference. 

Rob






From rotigel at me.com  Thu Nov 17 17:48:40 2011
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 20:48:40 -0500
Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 92, Issue 9
In-Reply-To: <20111117.172949.1635.47071@mailpop26.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20111117.172949.1635.47071@mailpop26.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <039D299E-373B-4B52-B7A7-EFBFB74D3323@me.com>

Yes, the delivery charge has been figured into the price. There is some assembly required, however!
	Dave

On Nov 17, 2011, at 8:28 PM, rdhaskell at juno.com wrote:

> Can you deliver that bridge Dave?
> 
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California USA
> http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell
> 
> On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 19:49:14 -0500 Dave Rotigel <rotigel at me.com> writes:
>> If ANYONE on the LIST believes that all the engines that were made by 
>> any single engine company (in the early part of the 20th century) 
>> were painted the same shade of green (or any other given colo(u)r 
>> for that matter) I wish they would contact me off list. I have a 
>> BRIDGE for sale!
> ____________________________________________________________
> 57 Year Old Mom Looks 28
> Mom Reveals $4 Wrinkle Therapy Angering Doctors! We reveal how......
> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4ec5b511ab67318e7aast03vuc
> _______________________________________________
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From edstoller at earthlink.net  Thu Nov 17 18:05:56 2011
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed Stoller)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 21:05:56 -0500
Subject: [SEL] aging new timber to look old
References: <ED2E1F6EF6034D02AF6F318ECB3484FC@craig8b4f43368>
	<4B415BBC-70AE-44C3-9608-5388630BA3A6@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <B36C24659DF14860BBAA000B5317103D@edlaptop>

How about trying the soup from the electrolysis tank on a piece of scrap.

Ed Stoller
New Fairfield,  CT,   USA
www.enginesandmagnets.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rob Skinner" <rob at rustyiron.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 8:39 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] aging new timber to look old



On Nov 16, 2011, at 2:06 PM, Craig Morrison wrote:

> Hi,
>        As the title says, does anyone have any ideas how to age the new 
> timber used on an engine cart so as it looks period to an original looking 
> engine.(ie; not shiny as using a wood preservative will leave it)
>    Any thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated.


Hi, Craig.
I?ve done a few projects that required old-looking wood. My recipe is a bit 
different every time.

I mix it in a disposable pie tin or bowl. These are the basic ingredients, 
with the biggest component first, working down to the smallest. I start with 
mostly linseed oil. Into that I?ll pour some dark wood stain. Usually I?ll 
add some used motor oil. I always add about a tablespoon of black paint, 
otherwise it?s never dark enough. Sometimes I?ll add about a mouthful or so 
lacquer thinner, but not aways.

I slop the mixture onto the wood, let it sit, then wipe it off, as you would 
stain.

Sometimes the finish comes out looking lighter than I wanted, but it will 
definitely darken after six months or so. Exposure to sunlight, dirt, heat 
and oxygen will really make a difference.

Rob




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From al.harris at rustic-engines.com  Thu Nov 17 18:26:09 2011
From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 13:26:09 +1100
Subject: [SEL] aging new timber to look old
In-Reply-To: <B36C24659DF14860BBAA000B5317103D@edlaptop>
References: <ED2E1F6EF6034D02AF6F318ECB3484FC@craig8b4f43368>
	<4B415BBC-70AE-44C3-9608-5388630BA3A6@rustyiron.com>
	<B36C24659DF14860BBAA000B5317103D@edlaptop>
Message-ID: <4EC5C241.4040100@rustic-engines.com>

I'm a bit late on this, but has anybody mentioned blow-torch, LPG or 
oxy; with a wire brush?



On 18/11/2011 1:05 PM, Ed Stoller wrote:
> How about trying the soup from the electrolysis tank on a piece of scrap.
>
> Ed Stoller
> New Fairfield,  CT,   USA
> www.enginesandmagnets.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rob Skinner"<rob at rustyiron.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list"<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 8:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] aging new timber to look old
>
>
>
> On Nov 16, 2011, at 2:06 PM, Craig Morrison wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>         As the title says, does anyone have any ideas how to age the new
>> timber used on an engine cart so as it looks period to an original looking
>> engine.(ie; not shiny as using a wood preservative will leave it)
>>     Any thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated.
>
> Hi, Craig.
> I?ve done a few projects that required old-looking wood. My recipe is a bit
> different every time.
>
> I mix it in a disposable pie tin or bowl. These are the basic ingredients,
> with the biggest component first, working down to the smallest. I start with
> mostly linseed oil. Into that I?ll pour some dark wood stain. Usually I?ll
> add some used motor oil. I always add about a tablespoon of black paint,
> otherwise it?s never dark enough. Sometimes I?ll add about a mouthful or so
> lacquer thinner, but not aways.
>
> I slop the mixture onto the wood, let it sit, then wipe it off, as you would
> stain.
>
> Sometimes the finish comes out looking lighter than I wanted, but it will
> definitely darken after six months or so. Exposure to sunlight, dirt, heat
> and oxygen will really make a difference.
>
> Rob
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Fri Nov 18 04:18:54 2011
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 12:18:54 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Snipping Unwanted Content in Posts
Message-ID: <CAMEZ00J7wcnpPu0TkmpjpVQ5b7orwabVpc4JPBwWw+2va93wsA@mail.gmail.com>

Guys & Gals:

Please remember to delete unwanted content when you are posting to the Lists.

There are many 'one-liner' messages coming across, with two pages of
unneceesary stuff that doesn't need to be included.

A little thought would be appreciated.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From sutter6 at bigpond.net.au  Fri Nov 18 04:45:18 2011
From: sutter6 at bigpond.net.au (sutter)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 23:45:18 +1100
Subject: [SEL] "Premier" Engine??
In-Reply-To: <94539272-324D-4FED-8A37-D64A1650528B@internode.on.net>
Message-ID: <4A3DB4A02B68416193CDF7210E848623@rodfew3c793iy9>

Thanks Eric - yep that is the engine!

The main difference between the engine I saw and your copies of the
advertisement is that the crankshaft is in line with the transporter and
cast base (not at a right angle as in your pics). The "flanges" on the
engine bolt to the cast base as in your pics but are turned around 90
degrees so the flywheel is in front of the tank and the other end of the
crankshaft is at the front of the transporter - the cast base still goes
lengthways down the transporter.

The transporter in your pics looks the same as the engine I saw but the
water tank is square and quite large with several baffles inside.

The owner said he got it off a cousin who had it on his property (has been
sitting outside for 30+ years). He has a Bosch magneto with it (DA4?)and
schebler carb. The timing gears were stripped so the owner has had 2 new
ones cut. The cylinder also has a frost crack in the water jacket but it is
on the second cylinder (valve side) which is "siamesed" to the main cylinder
sort of like a figure 8.

The ad says sizes 3 to 100 HP - I don't think there are too many 100HP
Premier engines around!

I will go and have a closer look and take some photos.

Rod Sutter
sutter6 at bigpond.net.au


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Eric Schulz
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 10:06 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] "Premier" Engine??

Premier engines are pretty rare. The oldest reference to them that I know of
is advertising in 1910. It has been suggested that production ended in 1916,
but that has not been verified.
They do have a marine base, but were not advertised as a marine engine. See
the 1910 ad. These are not good copies, especially one, done maybe 30 or
more years ago. Copiers have improved enormously since then.

Eric

[IMG]http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc10/Antique_Engines/Premier1.jpg[/I
MG]

[IMG]http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc10/Antique_Engines/Premier2copy.jp
g[/IMG]
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From rotigel at me.com  Fri Nov 18 05:03:18 2011
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 08:03:18 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Snipping Unwanted Content in Posts
In-Reply-To: <CAMEZ00J7wcnpPu0TkmpjpVQ5b7orwabVpc4JPBwWw+2va93wsA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMEZ00J7wcnpPu0TkmpjpVQ5b7orwabVpc4JPBwWw+2va93wsA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E322ABCF-7824-47DF-A15A-B41AE8142412@me.com>

Why on earth does it make any difference Peter?
	Dave

On Nov 18, 2011, at 7:18 AM, Listerdiesel wrote:

> Guys & Gals:
> 
> Please remember to delete unwanted content when you are posting to the Lists.
> 
> There are many 'one-liner' messages coming across, with two pages of
> unneceesary stuff that doesn't need to be included.
> 
> A little thought would be appreciated.
> 
> Peter
> -- 
> Peter A Forbes
> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
> http://stationary-engine.co.uk
> http://www.oldengine.co.uk
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From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 18 06:19:35 2011
From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 06:19:35 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Snipping Unwanted Content in Posts
In-Reply-To: <E322ABCF-7824-47DF-A15A-B41AE8142412@me.com>
References: <CAMEZ00J7wcnpPu0TkmpjpVQ5b7orwabVpc4JPBwWw+2va93wsA@mail.gmail.com>
	<E322ABCF-7824-47DF-A15A-B41AE8142412@me.com>
Message-ID: <1321625975.99021.YahooMailNeo@web112618.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

ROFMAO

Joe Prindle
Baraboo, WI USA
"All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike Milligan
 

________________________________
 From: Dave Rotigel <rotigel at me.com>
To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> 
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 7:03 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Snipping Unwanted Content in Posts
 
Why on earth does it make any difference Peter?
??? Dave

On Nov 18, 2011, at 7:18 AM, Listerdiesel wrote:

> Guys & Gals:
> 
> Please remember to delete unwanted content when you are posting to the Lists.
> 
> There are many 'one-liner' messages coming across, with two pages of
> unneceesary stuff that doesn't need to be included.
> 
> A little thought would be appreciated.
> 
> Peter
> -- 
> Peter A Forbes
> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
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From oldengin1 at gmail.com  Fri Nov 18 06:59:30 2011
From: oldengin1 at gmail.com (Leroy Clark)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 09:59:30 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Snipping Unwanted Content in Posts
In-Reply-To: <1321625975.99021.YahooMailNeo@web112618.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <CAMEZ00J7wcnpPu0TkmpjpVQ5b7orwabVpc4JPBwWw+2va93wsA@mail.gmail.com>
	<E322ABCF-7824-47DF-A15A-B41AE8142412@me.com>
	<1321625975.99021.YahooMailNeo@web112618.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ0UjPnY58AfVWyEvb+OPaCDUb368b+7xEktSjjpHAV3smZV3w@mail.gmail.com>

No. L.???  Leroy

On Nov 18, 2011 9:32 AM, "Joe Prindle" <joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com> wrote:

ROFMAO

Joe Prindle
Baraboo, WI USA
"All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike
Milligan


________________________________
 From: Dave Rotigel <rotigel at me.com>
To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 7:03 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Snipping Unwanted Content in Posts


Why on earth does it make any difference Peter?
    Dave

On Nov 18, 2011, at 7:18 AM, Listerdiese...


From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Fri Nov 18 08:49:18 2011
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 11:49:18 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Snipping Unwanted Content in Posts
In-Reply-To: <CAJ0UjPnY58AfVWyEvb+OPaCDUb368b+7xEktSjjpHAV3smZV3w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMEZ00J7wcnpPu0TkmpjpVQ5b7orwabVpc4JPBwWw+2va93wsA@mail.gmail.com>	<E322ABCF-7824-47DF-A15A-B41AE8142412@me.com>	<1321625975.99021.YahooMailNeo@web112618.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<CAJ0UjPnY58AfVWyEvb+OPaCDUb368b+7xEktSjjpHAV3smZV3w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001201cca612$069daa80$13d8ff80$@com>

I thought the same thing Leroy.  I figured he must have "rolled" his "A"
off....

Tommy Turner



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Leroy Clark
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 10:00 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Snipping Unwanted Content in Posts

No. L.???  Leroy

On Nov 18, 2011 9:32 AM, "Joe Prindle" <joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com> wrote:

ROFMAO




From curt at rustyiron.com  Fri Nov 18 09:43:04 2011
From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 09:43:04 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Snipping Unwanted Content in Posts
In-Reply-To: <CAJ0UjPnY58AfVWyEvb+OPaCDUb368b+7xEktSjjpHAV3smZV3w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMEZ00J7wcnpPu0TkmpjpVQ5b7orwabVpc4JPBwWw+2va93wsA@mail.gmail.com>
	<E322ABCF-7824-47DF-A15A-B41AE8142412@me.com>
	<1321625975.99021.YahooMailNeo@web112618.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<CAJ0UjPnY58AfVWyEvb+OPaCDUb368b+7xEktSjjpHAV3smZV3w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a83de40130bb844dfd93a23dbfdc9a0d.squirrel@elara.lunarservers.com>


It's not close enough to Christmas yet.
Curt

> No. L.???  Leroy
>
> On Nov 18, 2011 9:32 AM, "Joe Prindle" <joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> ROFMAO
>




From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 18 10:03:23 2011
From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 10:03:23 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Snipping Unwanted Content in Posts
In-Reply-To: <CAJ0UjPnY58AfVWyEvb+OPaCDUb368b+7xEktSjjpHAV3smZV3w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMEZ00J7wcnpPu0TkmpjpVQ5b7orwabVpc4JPBwWw+2va93wsA@mail.gmail.com>
	<E322ABCF-7824-47DF-A15A-B41AE8142412@me.com>
	<1321625975.99021.YahooMailNeo@web112618.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<CAJ0UjPnY58AfVWyEvb+OPaCDUb368b+7xEktSjjpHAV3smZV3w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1321639403.79047.YahooMailNeo@web112617.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Laughing too hard to type properly. opps. my bad.


Joe Prindle
Baraboo, WI USA
"All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike Milligan
 

________________________________
 From: Leroy Clark <oldengin1 at gmail.com>
To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> 
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 8:59 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Snipping Unwanted Content in Posts
 
No. L.???? Leroy

On Nov 18, 2011 9:32 AM, "Joe Prindle" <joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com> wrote:

ROFMAO

Joe Prindle
Baraboo, WI USA
"All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike
Milligan


________________________________
From: Dave Rotigel <rotigel at me.com>
To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 7:03 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Snipping Unwanted Content in Posts


Why on earth does it make any difference Peter?
? ? Dave

On Nov 18, 2011, at 7:18 AM, Listerdiese...
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From jswords at mcn.net  Fri Nov 18 14:02:32 2011
From: jswords at mcn.net (DMcDonald)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 15:02:32 -0700
Subject: [SEL] aging new timber to look old
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1321635601.10637.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
References: <mailman.1.1321635601.10637.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <4EC6D5F8.5060405@mcn.net>

Dear Craig

Here is the steps that I follow

1. sand blast to taste
             This will give rounded edges and wearing away of wood
             You do not want to be neat.

2. Distress the wood
                hit with a hammer - both ends
                 hit it with chain
                 set a bent nail on it and tap the nail down and then 
remove the nail
                 hit it with some rocks

                 have fun  but not to much.   :)

3. Many ways to color the wood,  I use a solution of tannic acid
             You can take some oak wood saw dust and soak in water
             brush the water on your wood

4.    To make a*grey color* you can use a number of Iron compounds
             I use ferrous sulfate but ferric chloride (rust nails in 
HCl) and ferrous acetate ( steel wool in vinegar)
             will all give a grey color.

5. Then brush with a weak solution of  sodium hydroxide (lye - be 
careful ) to make a nice *brown color*
             I do this only in some areas leaving some areas grey

6.  Then take some used motor oil and add spots, used axle grease if you 
have any around.

7. dust the whole thing with some dirt

8. rub some places and others just let dry

9. brush/clean off as needed.


Have fun

If you have any questions please ask (jswords at mcn.net)
later
david mcdonald
>> From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk
>> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 22:06:58 +0000
>> Subject: [SEL] aging new timber to look old
>>
>> Hi,
>> As the title says, does anyone have any ideas how to age the new timber used on an engine cart so as it looks period to an original looking engine.(ie; not shiny as using a wood preservative will leave it)
>> Any thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks, Craig
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>   		 	   		
>

-- 
David McDonald                  Collector of Japanese Swords and Old Iron
PO Box 265                      WEB page - http://www.montanairon.com
Sidney MT  59270                email - jswords at mcn.net
406-482-3243  evenings          I do tsukamaki (wrapping of sword hilts)

Owner of White IH Cub&  Super A Farmall, IH 100&  130, 140, AC G
McD type M, Monitor, Frost King and other stationary engines.



From russell at ncable.com.au  Fri Nov 18 14:17:41 2011
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 09:17:41 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Snipping Unwanted Content in Posts
In-Reply-To: <E322ABCF-7824-47DF-A15A-B41AE8142412@me.com>
References: <CAMEZ00J7wcnpPu0TkmpjpVQ5b7orwabVpc4JPBwWw+2va93wsA@mail.gmail.com>
	<E322ABCF-7824-47DF-A15A-B41AE8142412@me.com>
Message-ID: <CA0A7785-BEA2-4AC0-86AB-74D57017A2CA@ncable.com.au>

Some of us still need to read the printed version Dave!


On 19/11/2011, at 12:03 AM, Dave Rotigel wrote:

> Why on earth does it make any difference Peter?
> 	Dave
> 
> On Nov 18, 2011, at 7:18 AM, Listerdiesel wrote:
> 
>> Guys & Gals:
>> 
>> Please remember to delete unwanted content when you are posting to the Lists.
>> 
>> There are many 'one-liner' messages coming across, with two pages of
>> unneceesary stuff that doesn't need to be included.
>> 
>> A little thought would be appreciated.
>> 
>> Peter
>> -- 
>> Peter A Forbes
>> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
>> http://stationary-engine.co.uk
>> http://www.oldengine.co.uk
>> _______________________________________________
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From marinesurveys at msn.com  Fri Nov 18 15:27:16 2011
From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 18:27:16 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Snipping Unwanted Content in Posts
In-Reply-To: <CA0A7785-BEA2-4AC0-86AB-74D57017A2CA@ncable.com.au>
References: <CAMEZ00J7wcnpPu0TkmpjpVQ5b7orwabVpc4JPBwWw+2va93wsA@mail.gmail.com>,
	<E322ABCF-7824-47DF-A15A-B41AE8142412@me.com>,
	<CA0A7785-BEA2-4AC0-86AB-74D57017A2CA@ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <COL106-W18E1D054C052B9897E3A76B4C40@phx.gbl>


Maybe its taking unwanted space/bandwidth on the server !
But then agan I'm am analog guy in a digital world !
Just saying stuff without knowing !
When I post, it's usually a reply & I'm clueless !
                  Best Regards
             
           Franklin S. Skinner 
      Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870  Cell 910-612-7470



 

> From: russell at ncable.com.au
> Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 09:17:41 +1100
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Snipping Unwanted Content in Posts
> 
> Some of us still need to read the printed version Dave!
> 
> 
> On 19/11/2011, at 12:03 AM, Dave Rotigel wrote:
> 
> > Why on earth does it make any difference Peter?
> > Dave
> > 
> > On Nov 18, 2011, at 7:18 AM, Listerdiesel wrote:
> > 
> >> Guys & Gals:
> >> 
> >> Please remember to delete unwanted content when you are posting to the Lists.
> >> 
> >> There are many 'one-liner' messages coming across, with two pages of
> >> unneceesary stuff that doesn't need to be included.
> >> 
> >> A little thought would be appreciated.
> >> 
> >> Peter
> >> -- 
> >> Peter A Forbes
> >> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
> >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
> >> http://stationary-engine.co.uk
> >> http://www.oldengine.co.uk
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> SEL mailing list
> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sun Nov 20 00:54:27 2011
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 03:54:27 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Snipping Unwanted Content in Posts
In-Reply-To: <CA0A7785-BEA2-4AC0-86AB-74D57017A2CA@ncable.com.au>
References: <CAMEZ00J7wcnpPu0TkmpjpVQ5b7orwabVpc4JPBwWw+2va93wsA@mail.gmail.com>
	<E322ABCF-7824-47DF-A15A-B41AE8142412@me.com>
	<CA0A7785-BEA2-4AC0-86AB-74D57017A2CA@ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <ebebe8bb02ee3a96a5db8a7284fb2dd8.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com>

Ya know Russell, the beauty of email is that it's
ELECTRONIC!!  Save those trees and buy a bigger monitor.

AND if you turn the monitor on its side the whole email
with ALL oif it's lines will all be on screen.
No worries mate!

Besides, if everyone cuts all of the previous parts of the
posts out, you'll be TOTALLY screwed when you print 'em.
Just imagine, all those printed one-line emails, along comes
a gust of wind and now they are all out of order.
Then you're really screwed mate!  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

On Fri, November 18, 2011 5:17 pm, Russell wrote:
> Some of us still need to read the printed version Dave!
>
>
> On 19/11/2011, at 12:03 AM, Dave Rotigel wrote:
>
>> Why on earth does it make any difference Peter?
>> 	Dave
>>
>> On Nov 18, 2011, at 7:18 AM, Listerdiesel wrote:
>>
>>> Guys & Gals:
>>>
>>> Please remember to delete unwanted content when you are posting to the
>>> Lists.
>>>
>>> There are many 'one-liner' messages coming across, with two pages of
>>> unneceesary stuff that doesn't need to be included.
>>>
>>> A little thought would be appreciated.
>>>
>>> Peter
>>> --
>>> Peter A Forbes
>>> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
>>> http://stationary-engine.co.uk
>>> http://www.oldengine.co.uk
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SEL mailing list
>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sun Nov 20 02:09:24 2011
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 05:09:24 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Snipping Unwanted Content in Posts
In-Reply-To: <a83de40130bb844dfd93a23dbfdc9a0d.squirrel@elara.lunarservers.com>
References: <CAMEZ00J7wcnpPu0TkmpjpVQ5b7orwabVpc4JPBwWw+2va93wsA@mail.gmail.com>
	<E322ABCF-7824-47DF-A15A-B41AE8142412@me.com>
	<1321625975.99021.YahooMailNeo@web112618.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<CAJ0UjPnY58AfVWyEvb+OPaCDUb368b+7xEktSjjpHAV3smZV3w@mail.gmail.com>
	<a83de40130bb844dfd93a23dbfdc9a0d.squirrel@elara.lunarservers.com>
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G_R_O_A_N!  Curt, go to your room.

On Fri, November 18, 2011 12:43 pm, curt at rustyiron.com wrote:
>
> It's not close enough to Christmas yet.
> Curt
>
>> No. L.???  Leroy
>>
>> On Nov 18, 2011 9:32 AM, "Joe Prindle" <joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> ROFMAO
>>
>
>
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From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Sun Nov 20 02:54:04 2011
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 21:54:04 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Taralga Rally
Message-ID: <CAEF277C.B455%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

I popped down to Taralga today for a quick look at the annual rally held
there. Some nice engines and equipment but a shower of rain and the chance
of more scared some people away early.
Some pics at:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/tar011/index.htm
Patrick

Patrick M Livingstone
0418 692013
Earlwood NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sun Nov 20 03:16:42 2011
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 06:16:42 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Taralga Rally
In-Reply-To: <CAEF277C.B455%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
References: <CAEF277C.B455%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <69f758435fa58984d5f0d2146b85cf67.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com>

Looks like a nice rally Patrick and nice pics as usual.
That Wombat is a really cute little engine.
Are there many of those about?

See ya,  Arnie

On Sun, November 20, 2011 5:54 am, Patrick Livingstone wrote:
> I popped down to Taralga today for a quick look at the annual rally held
> there. Some nice engines and equipment but a shower of rain and the chance
> of more scared some people away early.
> Some pics at:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/tar011/index.htm





From cgandree at mchsi.com  Sun Nov 20 03:53:58 2011
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 05:53:58 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [SEL] Taralga Rally
In-Reply-To: <CAEF277C.B455%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <75002841.6875291321790038718.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>

Hi Patrick,
Nice pics.  Along with Arnie, I too am interested in knowing more about that Wombat engine. Where and who built them. Would be a nice addition to my collection if any available.
Thanks,
Curt Andree




----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick Livingstone" <patrick.livingstone at gmail.com>
To: "Oldengine" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>, "ATIS" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2011 4:54:04 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: [SEL] Taralga Rally

I popped down to Taralga today for a quick look at the annual rally held
there. Some nice engines and equipment but a shower of rain and the chance
of more scared some people away early.
Some pics at:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/tar011/index.htm
Patrick

Patrick M Livingstone
0418 692013
Earlwood NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html



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From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun Nov 20 05:19:35 2011
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 08:19:35 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Taralga Rally
Message-ID: <21b7d.35b409b5.3bfa5867@aol.com>



 
In a message dated 11/20/2011 6:22:04 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
fero_ah at city-net.com writes:

That Wombat is a really cute little engine.
______________________________________________________


Nice little hacksaw rig being run by it too!
 
Thanks for the photos Patrick!


Tom  Schmutz
Concord, Va.  
germoamer at aol.com




From rdhaskell at juno.com  Sun Nov 20 09:29:17 2011
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 09:29:17 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Taralga Rally
Message-ID: <20111120.092944.1635.56687@mailpop26.vgs.untd.com>

Great pictures Patrick, thanks.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell

On Sun, 20 Nov 2011 21:54:04 +1100 Patrick Livingstone
<patrick.livingstone at gmail.com> writes:
> I popped down to Taralga today for a quick look at the annual rally 
> held
> there. Some nice engines and equipment but a shower of rain and the 
> chance
> of more scared some people away early.
> Some pics at:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/tar011/index.htm
> Patrick
> 
> Patrick M Livingstone
> 0418 692013
> Earlwood NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
____________________________________________________________
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From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Sun Nov 20 15:24:35 2011
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 10:24:35 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Taralga Rally
In-Reply-To: <69f758435fa58984d5f0d2146b85cf67.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com>
Message-ID: <CAEFD763.B4A4%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

Hi Arnie,
There are a few Wombats about. There are both hopper and tank cooled
versions. They are being made by a collector down the south coast. They are
not really models and not really full sized engines so I don't know what you
could classify them as.
They do seem to be very good runners.
Patrick


On 20/11/11 10:16 PM, "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:

> Looks like a nice rally Patrick and nice pics as usual.
> That Wombat is a really cute little engine.
> Are there many of those about?
> 
> See ya,  Arnie
> 
> On Sun, November 20, 2011 5:54 am, Patrick Livingstone wrote:
>> I popped down to Taralga today for a quick look at the annual rally held
>> there. Some nice engines and equipment but a shower of rain and the chance
>> of more scared some people away early.
>> Some pics at:
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/tar011/index.htm
> 
> 
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From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Sun Nov 20 15:25:44 2011
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 10:25:44 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Taralga Rally
In-Reply-To: <75002841.6875291321790038718.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>
Message-ID: <CAEFD7A8.B4A5%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

Hi Curt,
As far as I know they are still being built. Next time I see the maker at a
rally I will find out more.
Patrick


On 20/11/11 10:53 PM, "cgandree at mchsi.com" <cgandree at mchsi.com> wrote:

> Hi Patrick,
> Nice pics.  Along with Arnie, I too am interested in knowing more about that
> Wombat engine. Where and who built them. Would be a nice addition to my
> collection if any available.
> Thanks,
> Curt Andree
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Patrick Livingstone" <patrick.livingstone at gmail.com>
> To: "Oldengine" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>, "ATIS"
> <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2011 4:54:04 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
> Subject: [SEL] Taralga Rally
> 
> I popped down to Taralga today for a quick look at the annual rally held
> there. Some nice engines and equipment but a shower of rain and the chance
> of more scared some people away early.
> Some pics at:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/tar011/index.htm
> Patrick
> 
> Patrick M Livingstone
> 0418 692013
> Earlwood NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
> 
> 
> 
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From mathjr at optusnet.com.au  Sun Nov 20 21:12:33 2011
From: mathjr at optusnet.com.au (John Mathieson)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 16:12:33 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Taralga Rally
References: <75002841.6875291321790038718.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>
Message-ID: <54530891E0D24DE9A8CE24918E5AA560@jackospc>

Hi Curt, The last time that I spoke to the chap that made Wombat engines 
(Frank Little) he was having eye problems & said that he wouldn't be making 
any more.  Regards John Mathieson
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <cgandree at mchsi.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2011 10:53 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Taralga Rally


> Hi Patrick,
> Nice pics.  Along with Arnie, I too am interested in knowing more about 
> that Wombat engine. Where and who built them. Would be a nice addition to 
> my collection if any available.
> Thanks,
> Curt Andree
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Patrick Livingstone" <patrick.livingstone at gmail.com>
> To: "Oldengine" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>, "ATIS" 
> <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2011 4:54:04 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
> Subject: [SEL] Taralga Rally
>
> I popped down to Taralga today for a quick look at the annual rally held
> there. Some nice engines and equipment but a shower of rain and the chance
> of more scared some people away early.
> Some pics at:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/tar011/index.htm
> Patrick
>
> Patrick M Livingstone
> 0418 692013
> Earlwood NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>
>
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sun Nov 20 22:11:54 2011
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 01:11:54 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Taralga Rally
In-Reply-To: <CAEFD7A8.B4A5%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
References: <CAEFD7A8.B4A5%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <26927b2339b6595db8d5ee734d1ce22f.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com>

Patrick,

I'd be interested in that info as well.  Thanks mate!

See ya,  Arnie

On Sun, November 20, 2011 6:25 pm, Patrick Livingstone wrote:
> Hi Curt,
> As far as I know they are still being built. Next time I see the maker at
> a rally I will find out more.
> Patrick
>
>
> On 20/11/11 10:53 PM, "cgandree at mchsi.com" <cgandree at mchsi.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Patrick,
>> Nice pics.  Along with Arnie, I too am interested in knowing more about
>> that
>> Wombat engine. Where and who built them. Would be a nice addition to my
>> collection if any available.
>> Thanks,
>> Curt Andree




From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Mon Nov 21 00:29:13 2011
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 19:29:13 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Taralga Rally
In-Reply-To: <69f758435fa58984d5f0d2146b85cf67.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com>
References: <CAEF277C.B455%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<69f758435fa58984d5f0d2146b85cf67.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com>
Message-ID: <4ECA0BD9.3070801@optusnet.com.au>


G'Day Arnie, Curt

I was one of the few lucky ones that was able to obtain a much sort 
after Wombat engine, could not get one from the builder but from a 
resale from a friend that sold one, I took mine to the National Rally 
and was surprised at the interest it created.
I spoke to the builder, Frank Little at Taralga and he told me the story 
of the Wombat.
Frank was after a smaller English engine less that 1 hp that were 
produced in small numbers 80 odd years ago but found that they were too 
expensive when one came up, about the same time someone told him that 
there was still a course in pattern making and casting at a local TAFE 
(Technical Collage) they still had teachers but no apprentices and it 
was open for others, so he attended and designed an engine based on hit 
and miss principles then built the patterns and did the castings and 
machining he sold them as a running engine, the name Wombat came about 
when the first engine base casting was released from the sand upside 
down and the two pouring plugs and the breathers (I know there is a 
correct naming of these) but the four legs sticking up looked like a 
headless dead Wombat that usually has its legs sticking up when dead. 
Any way Frank designed both Air and Hopper cooled engines, in the hopper 
style like mine  he used his wifes flower vase shape.
He then set out to make more, hobbies / income until his eyesight 
started failing, he now cannot drive.
It seems that the exact number he made is in question but we know of 
number 12, mine is #7 and is a 2/3 HP the same as Patrick's photo
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/tar011/images/taralga2011%20067_jpg_jpg.jpg

so at this stage thats it.

Kerry




On 20/11/2011 10:16 PM, Arnie Fero wrote:
> Looks like a nice rally Patrick and nice pics as usual.
> That Wombat is a really cute little engine.
> Are there many of those about?
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
>



From cgandree at mchsi.com  Mon Nov 21 03:34:02 2011
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 05:34:02 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [SEL] Taralga Rally
In-Reply-To: <54530891E0D24DE9A8CE24918E5AA560@jackospc>
Message-ID: <1489585736.6981131321875242883.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>

John,
Thanks for the info. Regretfully I must only dream of one then.
Curt
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Mathieson" <mathjr at optusnet.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2011 11:12:33 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [SEL] Taralga Rally

Hi Curt, The last time that I spoke to the chap that made Wombat engines 
(Frank Little) he was having eye problems & said that he wouldn't be making 
any more.  Regards John Mathieson
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <cgandree at mchsi.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2011 10:53 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Taralga Rally


> Hi Patrick,
> Nice pics.  Along with Arnie, I too am interested in knowing more about 
> that Wombat engine. Where and who built them. Would be a nice addition to 
> my collection if any available.
> Thanks,
> Curt Andree
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Patrick Livingstone" <patrick.livingstone at gmail.com>
> To: "Oldengine" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>, "ATIS" 
> <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2011 4:54:04 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
> Subject: [SEL] Taralga Rally
>
> I popped down to Taralga today for a quick look at the annual rally held
> there. Some nice engines and equipment but a shower of rain and the chance
> of more scared some people away early.
> Some pics at:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/tar011/index.htm
> Patrick
>
> Patrick M Livingstone
> 0418 692013
> Earlwood NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>
>
>
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Nov 21 05:41:49 2011
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 08:41:49 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Taralga Rally
In-Reply-To: <4ECA0BD9.3070801@optusnet.com.au>
References: <CAEF277C.B455%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<69f758435fa58984d5f0d2146b85cf67.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com>
	<4ECA0BD9.3070801@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <7b7f173eb0df8c2af1609b4ba629a1b4.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com>

G'day Mate,

Thanks so much for the "back story" on the Wombat!!

See ya,  Arnie

On Mon, November 21, 2011 3:29 am, Kerry wrote:
>
> G'Day Arnie, Curt
>
> I was one of the few lucky ones that was able to obtain a much sort
> after Wombat engine, could not get one from the builder but from a
> resale from a friend that sold one, I took mine to the National Rally
> and was surprised at the interest it created.
> I spoke to the builder, Frank Little at Taralga and he told me the story
> of the Wombat.
> Frank was after a smaller English engine less that 1 hp that were
> produced in small numbers 80 odd years ago but found that they were too
> expensive when one came up, about the same time someone told him that
> there was still a course in pattern making and casting at a local TAFE
> (Technical Collage) they still had teachers but no apprentices and it
> was open for others, so he attended and designed an engine based on hit
> and miss principles then built the patterns and did the castings and
> machining he sold them as a running engine, the name Wombat came about
> when the first engine base casting was released from the sand upside
> down and the two pouring plugs and the breathers (I know there is a
> correct naming of these) but the four legs sticking up looked like a
> headless dead Wombat that usually has its legs sticking up when dead.
> Any way Frank designed both Air and Hopper cooled engines, in the hopper
> style like mine  he used his wifes flower vase shape.
> He then set out to make more, hobbies / income until his eyesight
> started failing, he now cannot drive.
> It seems that the exact number he made is in question but we know of
> number 12, mine is #7 and is a 2/3 HP the same as Patrick's photo
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/tar011/images/taralga2011%20067_jpg_jpg.jpg
>
> so at this stage thats it.
>
> Kerry
>
>
>
>
> On 20/11/2011 10:16 PM, Arnie Fero wrote:
>> Looks like a nice rally Patrick and nice pics as usual.
>> That Wombat is a really cute little engine.
>> Are there many of those about?
>>
>> See ya,  Arnie
>>
>>
>
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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Mon Nov 21 10:47:32 2011
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 20:47:32 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Taralga Rally/Wombat
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1321894801.6629.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20111121201813.02039688@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>

   At 07:00 PM 21/11/11, you wrote:

     From: Kerry <ozengine at optusnet.com.au>
     Subject: Re: [SEL] Taralga Rally
     G'Day Arnie, Curt
     I was one of the few lucky ones that was able to obtain a much sort
     after Wombat engine,

     <BIG SNIP>
     so at this stage thats it.
     Kerry

   Hi Kerry,
           Great story - thanks for sharing it with us. It's becoming
   quite commonplace (and very sad) these days to hear of "lost talents"
   in our hobby.
           Here in SA we have a company established in 1923 who make all
   our piston rings for the old engines. It is a family business started
   by the grandfather (or maybe great grandfather) of the current owners.
   They do their own castings for the rings and do a great job but, it
   seems like they will also not last forever in this "New South Africa"
           I managed to borrow 2 photographs from their reception area of
   their original premises - beautiful - I scanned them and will upload
   them to the Oldengine site as soon as they have sorted out the problems
   with the server.

   Keep the revs up (or down)
   Jerry Evans
   Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
   Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
   <[1]www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>

References

   1. http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm


From kkinney at herculesengines.com  Mon Nov 21 11:11:44 2011
From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (kkinney at herculesengines.com)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 14:11:44 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Taralga Rally
In-Reply-To: <7b7f173eb0df8c2af1609b4ba629a1b4.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com>
References: <CAEF277C.B455%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<69f758435fa58984d5f0d2146b85cf67.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com>
	<4ECA0BD9.3070801@optusnet.com.au>
	<7b7f173eb0df8c2af1609b4ba629a1b4.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com>
Message-ID: <fad74b0a14276fc0d5c45f9688b7e953.squirrel@webmail2.web.com>

Sounds like somebody needs to rescue the patterns and make some more. 
Here is a Youtube like to one running:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFgA0Eycklg
Keith


> G'day Mate,
>
> Thanks so much for the "back story" on the Wombat!!
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> On Mon, November 21, 2011 3:29 am, Kerry wrote:
>>
>> G'Day Arnie, Curt
>>
>> I was one of the few lucky ones that was able to obtain a much sort
>> after Wombat engine, could not get one from the builder but from a
>> resale from a friend that sold one, I took mine to the National Rally
>> and was surprised at the interest it created.
>> I spoke to the builder, Frank Little at Taralga and he told me the story
>> of the Wombat.
>> Frank was after a smaller English engine less that 1 hp that were
>> produced in small numbers 80 odd years ago but found that they were too
>> expensive when one came up, about the same time someone told him that
>> there was still a course in pattern making and casting at a local TAFE
>> (Technical Collage) they still had teachers but no apprentices and it
>> was open for others, so he attended and designed an engine based on hit
>> and miss principles then built the patterns and did the castings and
>> machining he sold them as a running engine, the name Wombat came about
>> when the first engine base casting was released from the sand upside
>> down and the two pouring plugs and the breathers (I know there is a
>> correct naming of these) but the four legs sticking up looked like a
>> headless dead Wombat that usually has its legs sticking up when dead.
>> Any way Frank designed both Air and Hopper cooled engines, in the hopper
>> style like mine  he used his wifes flower vase shape.
>> He then set out to make more, hobbies / income until his eyesight
>> started failing, he now cannot drive.
>> It seems that the exact number he made is in question but we know of
>> number 12, mine is #7 and is a 2/3 HP the same as Patrick's photo
>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/tar011/images/taralga2011%20067_jpg_jpg.jpg
>>
>> so at this stage thats it.
>>
>> Kerry
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 20/11/2011 10:16 PM, Arnie Fero wrote:
>>> Looks like a nice rally Patrick and nice pics as usual.
>>> That Wombat is a really cute little engine.
>>> Are there many of those about?
>>>
>>> See ya,  Arnie
>>>
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Wed Nov 23 05:08:22 2011
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 06:08:22 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Lunk mixer
Message-ID: <SNT143-ds19C00734F329D6F7D823E8BBC90@phx.gbl>

Neat mixer here but I can only swag why the hand valve handle??

What's your thot's?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/170733333116?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

RickinMt. 



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Wed Nov 23 05:34:48 2011
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 08:34:48 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Lunk mixer
In-Reply-To: <SNT143-ds19C00734F329D6F7D823E8BBC90@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <95949A364A464F5FB8CA7484FE14584F@D2JYVHJ1>

Rick,
	Some of those used the valve on top to work as a throttle.  It
has a stem that goes down and puts pressure on the valve that allows the
fuel to enter. By regulating how much the valve actuates it meters the
amount of fuel that is allowed through the carb and thus will throttle
the engine.  Most of these set ups I've seen have been in marine
applications.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



-----Original Message-----
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Strobel
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 8:08 AM
To: stationary-engine; The SEL email discussion list
Subject: [SEL] Lunk mixer


Neat mixer here but I can only swag why the hand valve handle??

What's your thot's?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/170733333116?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3
984.m1423.l2649

RickinMt. 

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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Wed Nov 23 06:11:04 2011
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 07:11:04 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Lunk mixer
In-Reply-To: <95949A364A464F5FB8CA7484FE14584F@D2JYVHJ1>
References: <95949A364A464F5FB8CA7484FE14584F@D2JYVHJ1>
Message-ID: <SNT143-ds158BA284551A1B7A4BB3A6BBC90@phx.gbl>

Hey..thanks guys.  That would be a  handy mixer for sure.

Btw, Corey Bell is still making reproduction Lunk's and will order one from 
him soon.  190 rockets plus 10 for shipping, for a 1-1/4.

Usual disclaimer,
Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 6:34 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Lunk mixer


> Rick,
> Some of those used the valve on top to work as a throttle.  It
> has a stem that goes down and puts pressure on the valve that allows the
> fuel to enter. By regulating how much the valve actuates it meters the
> amount of fuel that is allowed through the carb and thus will throttle
> the engine.  Most of these set ups I've seen have been in marine
> applications.
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Richard
> Strobel
> Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 8:08 AM
> To: stationary-engine; The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: [SEL] Lunk mixer
>
>
> Neat mixer here but I can only swag why the hand valve handle??
>
> What's your thot's?
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/170733333116?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3
> 984.m1423.l2649
>
> RickinMt.
>
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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Wed Nov 23 21:56:45 2011
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 21:56:45 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Paint follow up
Message-ID: <20111123.215701.1621.33017@mailpop24.vgs.untd.com>

Thanks for the many replies both on and off list.  I found a company
called My Perfect Color.  They immediately recognized the Australian
standards number, I could get the color in seven different formulas from
flat water base to high gloss alkide enamel, and it was ready to ship
from pints to gallons.  It is on it's way now.


Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell
____________________________________________________________
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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Wed Nov 23 21:59:27 2011
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 21:59:27 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Full paint info.
Message-ID: <20111123.220002.1621.33027@mailpop24.vgs.untd.com>

Benjamin Moore? P22 Direct to Metal Alkyd Urethane Gloss Enamel - Quart 
Australian Standards G63 Deep Bronze Green * 

I should have included this in the first post.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell
____________________________________________________________
53 Year Old Mom Looks 33
The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried
http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4ecddd76c2a604192bbst02vuc

From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 25 22:28:54 2011
From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 22:28:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Ignitor Point Material
Message-ID: <1322288934.61937.YahooMailNeo@web112616.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

If any of you recall what the material that Ted Brookover recommended for make ignitor points is called, please let me know.
I had an Otto ignitor show up in the shop today for repairs and would like to see if I can obtain some more of that material to make the points out of.
Thank you,
Joe

Joe Prindle
Baraboo, WI USA
"All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike Milligan

From rholtzer at earthlink.net  Fri Nov 25 23:48:13 2011
From: rholtzer at earthlink.net (Robert L. Holtzer)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 23:48:13 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Ignitor Point Material
In-Reply-To: <1322288934.61937.YahooMailNeo@web112616.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <1322288934.61937.YahooMailNeo@web112616.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4ED099BD.2070104@earthlink.net>

On 11/25/2011 10:28 PM, Joe Prindle wrote:
> If any of you recall what the material that Ted Brookover recommended for make ignitor points is called, please let me know.
> I had an Otto ignitor show up in the shop today for repairs and would like to see if I can obtain some more of that material to make the points out of.
> Thank you,
> Joe
>
> Joe Prindle
> Baraboo, WI USA
> "All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike Milligan
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
I don't know what an Otto ignitor looks like but would TIG electrode 
material work?  I used it on a model engine with low tension 
coil/battery make/break ignition.  TIG electrodes are largely tungsten I 
believe.  Stands up well under heat and sparking.    The electrodes 
comes in several diameters.

Just a thought.

Bob Holtzer


From obise at moscow.com  Sat Nov 26 06:25:49 2011
From: obise at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 06:25:49 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Ignitor Point Material
In-Reply-To: <1322288934.61937.YahooMailNeo@web112616.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <1322288934.61937.YahooMailNeo@web112616.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4ED0F6ED.3060509@moscow.com>


On 11/25/2011 10:28 PM, Joe Prindle wrote:
> If any of you recall what the material that Ted Brookover recommended for make ignitor points is called, please let me know.
> I had an Otto ignitor show up in the shop today for repairs and would like to see if I can obtain some more of that material to make the points out of.
> Thank you,
> Joe
>
> Joe Prindle
> Baraboo, WI USA
> "All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike Milligan
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Here is what I have in my notes.  See below.
     Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm
So many projects.  So little time.


Hi All, In answer to the Ignitor points Question, I use a couple of
materials depending on the application I am working on. First, in all of the
new Ignitors I build, I use 3/16 Tunston Tig electrodes, cut into 1/8
wafers, and silver solder them in place. That is for Battery and Coil
application. Common nails will work also, but if you use a 12 volt power
source, you may see some burning at the points. I have had customers be very
specific in asking me to use "John Deere Points", no doubt thinking that
they would be the best available Point. I ordered points from John Deere,
they came in the JD Packaging and looked very good. But when I sat one on
the bench close to a Magnetic screw driver, it jumped right to the driver.
It would seem that the Original Points from John Deere are nothing more than
1/8 " shank steel rivets ($4 per set). The Point here is that you can use
anything to make points as long as they are securely attached and mate well
with each other. For Magneto applications like Websters and Plug
oscillators, I use 5/16 soft Stainless Steel or Monell because it seems that
the softer material allows a better spark and there is no danger of burning
the points . 3/16" Tungston is getting very hard to find and I am going to
have to go to 1/8" in the future. Hope this helps, Ted

Ted Brookover
4801 E. Red Bridge Rd.
Kansas City Mo. 64137
816-763-3142
ignitors at earthlink.net



From jmackess at twcny.rr.com  Sat Nov 26 07:01:33 2011
From: jmackess at twcny.rr.com (James Mackessy)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 10:01:33 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Ignitor Point Material
References: <1322288934.61937.YahooMailNeo@web112616.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000801ccac4c$4967c090$66804f4a@ownerfm3tybt04>

Hi Joe!
     I remember those posts! IIRC, he used tungsten "TIG" electrodes. There
are several alloys, "thoriated" is one I remember, there are others. It's
tough stuff, and you do not want to inhale any of the dust if you are
grinding it, it's nasty in terms of it's health effects. If I recall
correctly, it was silver brazed on.
Best Regards;
Jim Mackessy

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Prindle" <joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 1:28 AM
Subject: [SEL] Ignitor Point Material


> If any of you recall what the material that Ted Brookover recommended for
make ignitor points is called, please let me know.
> I had an Otto ignitor show up in the shop today for repairs and would like
to see if I can obtain some more of that material to make the points out of.
> Thank you,
> Joe
>
> Joe Prindle
> Baraboo, WI USA
> "All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike
Milligan
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 26 19:46:04 2011
From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 19:46:04 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Ignitor Point Material
In-Reply-To: <000801ccac4c$4967c090$66804f4a@ownerfm3tybt04>
References: <1322288934.61937.YahooMailNeo@web112616.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<000801ccac4c$4967c090$66804f4a@ownerfm3tybt04>
Message-ID: <1322365564.8134.YahooMailNeo@web112603.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Hi,
Thank you to you all for the on and off list replies to my question about ignitor points. I am going to do some more reading about tungsten, how to machine it and what the risks are and then go from there.
An off-list message from Stacy Leis indicated that Ted used a material called Meteor Metal and I am pretty sure that that is the stuff that Ted gave me. I will report back with details and photos of the project, which will probably start after Christmas.
Thanks,
Joe

Joe Prindle
Baraboo, WI USA
"All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike Milligan

From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Nov 26 20:47:05 2011
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 23:47:05 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Ignitor Point Material
In-Reply-To: <1322288934.61937.YahooMailNeo@web112616.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <1322288934.61937.YahooMailNeo@web112616.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5bc067fab95ce4effa44e54939c67598.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com>

Hi Joe,

ISTR that Ted was a big fan of Meteor Metal for ignitor points.
Bill Lopoulos is a source of supply.
http://www.magnetoparts.com/ign_parts.htm
http://www.magnetoparts.com/index.html

See ya,  Arnie

On Sat, November 26, 2011 1:28 am, Joe Prindle wrote:
> If any of you recall what the material that Ted Brookover recommended for
> make ignitor points is called, please let me know.
> I had an Otto ignitor show up in the shop today for repairs and would like
> to see if I can obtain some more of that material to make the points out
> of.





From obise at moscow.com  Sat Nov 26 22:10:26 2011
From: obise at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 22:10:26 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Ignitor Point Material
In-Reply-To: <1322365564.8134.YahooMailNeo@web112603.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <1322288934.61937.YahooMailNeo@web112616.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<000801ccac4c$4967c090$66804f4a@ownerfm3tybt04>
	<1322365564.8134.YahooMailNeo@web112603.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4ED1D452.80606@moscow.com>


On 11/26/2011 7:46 PM, Joe Prindle wrote:
> Hi,
> Thank you to you all for the on and off list replies to my question about ignitor points. I am going to do some more reading about tungsten, how to machine it and what the risks are and then go from there.
> An off-list message from Stacy Leis indicated that Ted used a material called Meteor Metal and I am pretty sure that that is the stuff that Ted gave me. I will report back with details and photos of the project, which will probably start after Christmas.
> Thanks,
> Joe
>
> Joe Prindle
> Baraboo, WI USA
> "All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike Milligan
> _______________________________________________

Below my signature is what my notes have to say about Meteor metal.
     Regards,
         Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm
So many projects.  So little time.


If you do an analysis of original igniter points, you will find that most
of the alloys used have a high nickle content.  While it was once a common
product, it is now tough to get.  I use a product called "Meteor Metal",
so named because it uses a similar alloy to that found in meteors.  It is
a high-nickel content alloy and so far after several years of testing
(myself and another mag shop) has yeilded excellent results.  The alloy
was selected to best match that of original Webster points.

Snip

bill lopoulos
magneto repair

Here is another note from Bill:

Common myth.  IGNITION points can be made from tungsten.  They are quite 
hard.  We
have all used a diamond file or a stone to clean them.  IGNITER points 
are soft.
Try cleaning an original set with a diamond file or stone.  You will 
find that
clean very quickly.

bill l.


From enginman1 at verizon.net  Sun Nov 27 06:37:09 2011
From: enginman1 at verizon.net (Jeff Parks)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 09:37:09 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Ignitor Point Material
In-Reply-To: <4ED1D452.80606@moscow.com>
References: <1322288934.61937.YahooMailNeo@web112616.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<000801ccac4c$4967c090$66804f4a@ownerfm3tybt04>
	<1322365564.8134.YahooMailNeo@web112603.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<4ED1D452.80606@moscow.com>
Message-ID: <4ED24B15.6080804@verizon.net>

I to have used a variety of materials including the "meteor" metal. I 
have had the
best success with the meteor metal, machines ok and lasts well. I got it 
from a fellow
engine collector, I will check with him where he gets it and report back.

Jeff Parks
enginman1 at verizon.net
www.parksmotors.net



On 11/27/2011 1:10 AM, Orrin Iseminger wrote:
> On 11/26/2011 7:46 PM, Joe Prindle wrote:
>> Hi,
>> Thank you to you all for the on and off list replies to my question about ignitor points. I am going to do some more reading about tungsten, how to machine it and what the risks are and then go from there.
>> An off-list message from Stacy Leis indicated that Ted used a material called Meteor Metal and I am pretty sure that that is the stuff that Ted gave me. I will report back with details and photos of the project, which will probably start after Christmas.
>> Thanks,
>> Joe
>>
>> Joe Prindle
>> Baraboo, WI USA
>> "All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike Milligan
>> _______________________________________________
> Below my signature is what my notes have to say about Meteor metal.
>       Regards,
>           Orrin
>
> Orrin Iseminger
> Colton, Washington, USA
> http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm
> So many projects.  So little time.
>
>
> If you do an analysis of original igniter points, you will find that most
> of the alloys used have a high nickle content.  While it was once a common
> product, it is now tough to get.  I use a product called "Meteor Metal",
> so named because it uses a similar alloy to that found in meteors.  It is
> a high-nickel content alloy and so far after several years of testing
> (myself and another mag shop) has yeilded excellent results.  The alloy
> was selected to best match that of original Webster points.
>
> Snip
>
> bill lopoulos
> magneto repair
>
> Here is another note from Bill:
>
> Common myth.  IGNITION points can be made from tungsten.  They are quite
> hard.  We
> have all used a diamond file or a stone to clean them.  IGNITER points
> are soft.
> Try cleaning an original set with a diamond file or stone.  You will
> find that
> clean very quickly.
>
> bill l.
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>


From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sun Nov 27 08:21:51 2011
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 18:21:51 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Engine data plates - what do you call them ?
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20111127182046.022fa770@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>

   Hi all,
           The lists are quiet so maybe you will not mind me asking the
   following question.
           The etched brass plates that I make are called by many
   different names in different parts of the world. Some are "Brass
   specification (or spec.) plates", "Engine data plates", "Brass engine
   plates" etc.etc.
           I'm busy tweaking my pages to get better search engine results
   (Google in particular). A Google for - Etched brass engine plates -
   already gives me the first 3 (unpaid for) listings on page one which is
   great and makes me feel quite proud of my webmastering skills  ;-).
           What I would like to know is, what are the other names that
   these plates could be called in your part of the world. In other words,
   if you were to do a search for them, what would you type into Google?
   That way I can add those terms (names) to my pages and get even broader
   coverage from the search engines.
           Replies on and off list will all be appreciated. Thanks in
   advance.

   Keep the revs up (or down)
   Jerry Evans
   Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
   Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
   <[1]www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>

References

   1. http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sun Nov 27 09:08:31 2011
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 10:08:31 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Ignitor Point Material
In-Reply-To: <1322288934.61937.YahooMailNeo@web112616.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<5bc067fab95ce4effa44e54939c67598.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com>
References: <1322288934.61937.YahooMailNeo@web112616.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<5bc067fab95ce4effa44e54939c67598.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com>
Message-ID: <SNT143-ds6B58C8B1E25A8562A2563BBCD0@phx.gbl>

I'd sure like to see the finished product as I've never heard of this. 
Don't think the finish nail in the Economy is cutting the mustard.

Thanks much
RickinMt.



> Hi Joe,
>
> ISTR that Ted was a big fan of Meteor Metal for ignitor points.
> Bill Lopoulos is a source of supply.
> http://www.magnetoparts.com/ign_parts.htm
> http://www.magnetoparts.com/index.html 



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sun Nov 27 09:32:04 2011
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 12:32:04 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Engine data plates - what do you call them ?
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20111127182046.022fa770@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>
Message-ID: <ADC672F979C74A8583B5D266794A4A6D@D2JYVHJ1>

Jerry,
	The most common term I have heard used here in the US is "Engine
Name Tag".  Other parts of the US may use different terminology and it
will be interesting to see what the suggestions are.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY




   Hi all,
           The lists are quiet so maybe you will not mind me asking the
   following question.
           The etched brass plates that I make are called by many
   different names in different parts of the world. Some are "Brass
   specification (or spec.) plates", "Engine data plates", "Brass engine
   plates" etc.etc.
           I'm busy tweaking my pages to get better search engine
results
   (Google in particular). A Google for - Etched brass engine plates -
   already gives me the first 3 (unpaid for) listings on page one which
is
   great and makes me feel quite proud of my webmastering skills  ;-).
           What I would like to know is, what are the other names that
   these plates could be called in your part of the world. In other
words,
   if you were to do a search for them, what would you type into Google?
   That way I can add those terms (names) to my pages and get even
broader
   coverage from the search engines.
           Replies on and off list will all be appreciated. Thanks in
   advance.

   Keep the revs up (or down)
   Jerry Evans
   Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
   Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
   <[1]www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sun Nov 27 09:33:04 2011
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 12:33:04 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Ignitor Point Material
In-Reply-To: <SNT143-ds6B58C8B1E25A8562A2563BBCD0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <97728A993AA440028006DFC5FE70B80A@D2JYVHJ1>

I've used the Meteor Metal from Bill L. in the past with good results.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Richard
Strobel
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 12:09 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Ignitor Point Material


I'd sure like to see the finished product as I've never heard of this. 
Don't think the finish nail in the Economy is cutting the mustard.

Thanks much
RickinMt.



> Hi Joe,
>
> ISTR that Ted was a big fan of Meteor Metal for ignitor points. Bill 
> Lopoulos is a source of supply. 
> http://www.magnetoparts.com/ign_parts.htm
> http://www.magnetoparts.com/index.html

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From rustyiron1 at bigpond.com  Sun Nov 27 23:27:19 2011
From: rustyiron1 at bigpond.com (Andy Nicholson)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 17:27:19 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Engine data plates - what do you call them ?
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20111127182046.022fa770@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>
Message-ID: <DF7DBCAF0BCE42C8A4E9B7553D645E65@owner916e4fa44>

Hi Jerry, I've always called them "Engine I.D. plates"
Andy.....
Oz
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry Evans" <jerrye at databak.co.za>
To: "SEL List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 2:21 AM
Subject: [SEL] Engine data plates - what do you call them ?


>   Hi all,
>           The lists are quiet so maybe you will not mind me asking the
>   following question.
>           The etched brass plates that I make are called by many
>   different names in different parts of the world. Some are "Brass
>   specification (or spec.) plates", "Engine data plates", "Brass engine
>   plates" etc.etc.
>           I'm busy tweaking my pages to get better search engine results
>   (Google in particular). A Google for - Etched brass engine plates -
>   already gives me the first 3 (unpaid for) listings on page one which is
>   great and makes me feel quite proud of my webmastering skills  ;-).
>           What I would like to know is, what are the other names that
>   these plates could be called in your part of the world. In other words,
>   if you were to do a search for them, what would you type into Google?
>   That way I can add those terms (names) to my pages and get even broader
>   coverage from the search engines.
>           Replies on and off list will all be appreciated. Thanks in
>   advance.
> 
>   Keep the revs up (or down)
>   Jerry Evans
>   Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
>   Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
>   <[1]www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>
> 
> References
> 
>   1. http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From Jim at hardmanfamily.net  Tue Nov 29 14:18:11 2011
From: Jim at hardmanfamily.net (Jim Hardman)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 17:18:11 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Spontaneous Combustion
Message-ID: <80BDB31C45E14E8F976252D06110FBB1@JamesDesktop>

We almost had a fire... and I should have known better.

For years I have been warned about spontaneous combustion, but never experienced it.

We were cleaning an engine with mineral spirits using cheap Wal-Mart face cloths.  Our son and grandson were helping scrub off oily areas... flywheel spokes, surfaces that were caked with dried grease, etc.

The original paint had turned dark with a veteran patina, but there was no rust and the bright work cleaned up really well.  The last step was to wipe everything down with a 50-50 mix of mineral spirits and boiled linseed oil.  Let me tell you, this engine came to life.

We dropped the used facecloths (six or seven dark with grease and mineral spirits, plus three still pretty moist with linseed oil) into an oversize coffee can and went on to other work.

The next afternoon, our son said "Dad, I smell smoke"... and I ran down to the shop.  The can was belching out smoke, you couldn't see across the room, a converted two-car garage.  The rim of the can was still cool, I carried it out to the driveway and dumped it out.  The rags were glowing red, they were partially consumed by glowing coals.  Our grandson blew into the rags and "poof!"... they burst into flame.

Yes, we have a fire detector in the shop, but the smoke detector was disconnected due to over-sensitivity.  I couldn't spray WD-40 without causing a false alarm.  And so no... we didn't detect the smoke.  The fire detector is a rate-of-rise temperature sensor tied into the alarm system.

It took 24 hours to cook off.  Had this happened at night, or when we weren't home, we could have had really serious trouble.  Having a shop connected to the house is a huge advantages during the winter months, but a fire could take down everything.

As I say, I should have known better.  I even recall being warned about this in grade school.

Beside feeling foolish, I feel pretty fortunate that our only consequence is having to air the place out.

My wife shook her finger at me and said "Don't you ever do that again."  Yep, I hear you.

Be warned...

Jim in Vermont



From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Tue Nov 29 14:30:08 2011
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 09:30:08 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Spontaneous Combustion
In-Reply-To: <80BDB31C45E14E8F976252D06110FBB1@JamesDesktop>
References: <80BDB31C45E14E8F976252D06110FBB1@JamesDesktop>
Message-ID: <4ED55CF0.3030103@optusnet.com.au>

G'Day Jim

glad it turned out well for you, its nearly 12 months since I posted the 
same warning when exactly the same happened to me in the workshop, I to 
was lucky to get away with improper disposal of linseed oil soaked rags.
Another warning for us all

Kerry



On 30/11/2011 9:18 AM, Jim Hardman wrote:
> We almost had a fire... and I should have known better.
>
> For years I have been warned about spontaneous combustion, but never experienced it.
>
> We were cleaning an engine with mineral spirits using cheap Wal-Mart face cloths.  Our son and grandson were helping scrub off oily areas... flywheel spokes, surfaces that were caked with dried grease, etc.
>
> The original paint had turned dark with a veteran patina, but there was no rust and the bright work cleaned up really well.  The last step was to wipe everything down with a 50-50 mix of mineral spirits and boiled linseed oil.  Let me tell you, this engine came to life.
>
> We dropped the used facecloths (six or seven dark with grease and mineral spirits, plus three still pretty moist with linseed oil) into an oversize coffee can and went on to other work.
>
> The next afternoon, our son said "Dad, I smell smoke"... and I ran down to the shop.  The can was belching out smoke, you couldn't see across the room, a converted two-car garage.  The rim of the can was still cool, I carried it out to the driveway and dumped it out.  The rags were glowing red, they were partially consumed by glowing coals.  Our grandson blew into the rags and "poof!"... they burst into flame.
>
> Yes, we have a fire detector in the shop, but the smoke detector was disconnected due to over-sensitivity.  I couldn't spray WD-40 without causing a false alarm.  And so no... we didn't detect the smoke.  The fire detector is a rate-of-rise temperature sensor tied into the alarm system.
>
> It took 24 hours to cook off.  Had this happened at night, or when we weren't home, we could have had really serious trouble.  Having a shop connected to the house is a huge advantages during the winter months, but a fire could take down everything.
>
> As I say, I should have known better.  I even recall being warned about this in grade school.
>
> Beside feeling foolish, I feel pretty fortunate that our only consequence is having to air the place out.
>
> My wife shook her finger at me and said "Don't you ever do that again."  Yep, I hear you.
>
> Be warned...
>
> Jim in Vermont
>
>



From George_Best at adp.com  Tue Nov 29 14:49:42 2011
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 16:49:42 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Spontaneous Combustion
In-Reply-To: <4ED55CF0.3030103@optusnet.com.au>
References: <80BDB31C45E14E8F976252D06110FBB1@JamesDesktop>
	<4ED55CF0.3030103@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <0CD5F60B52A040428A5B5EED0CB45DD410F9B6B26A@DSMAIL2HE.ds.ad.adp.com>

Makes me think if you use rags and linseed oil, to just think of the rags as one time use.
When you finish using them for the day just go ahead and burn them.

Of course it helps if you live somewhere burning stuff doesn't get you in trouble.

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 2:30 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Spontaneous Combustion

G'Day Jim

glad it turned out well for you, its nearly 12 months since I posted the 
same warning when exactly the same happened to me in the workshop, I to 
was lucky to get away with improper disposal of linseed oil soaked rags.
Another warning for us all

Kerry



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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 29 16:48:56 2011
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 16:48:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Spontaneous Combustion
In-Reply-To: <80BDB31C45E14E8F976252D06110FBB1@JamesDesktop>
Message-ID: <1322614136.73015.YahooMailClassic@web111701.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I well remember as a kid when the farm up the road lost it's barn the same way.
They were working on a tractor then went to bed.
Yup, grease rags in a bucket next to the tractor's gas tank.

Alan in Michigan

--- On Tue, 11/29/11, Jim Hardman <Jim at hardmanfamily.net> wrote:

> From: Jim Hardman <Jim at hardmanfamily.net>
> Subject: [SEL] Spontaneous Combustion
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: Tuesday, November 29, 2011, 5:18 PM
> We almost had a fire... and I should
> have known better.
> 
> For years I have been warned about spontaneous combustion,
> but never experienced it.
> 
> We were cleaning an engine with mineral spirits using cheap
> Wal-Mart face cloths.? Our son and grandson were
> helping scrub off oily areas... flywheel spokes, surfaces
> that were caked with dried grease, etc.
> 
> The original paint had turned dark with a veteran patina,
> but there was no rust and the bright work cleaned up really
> well.? The last step was to wipe everything down with a
> 50-50 mix of mineral spirits and boiled linseed oil.?
> Let me tell you, this engine came to life.
> 
> We dropped the used facecloths (six or seven dark with
> grease and mineral spirits, plus three still pretty moist
> with linseed oil) into an oversize coffee can and went on to
> other work.
> 
> The next afternoon, our son said "Dad, I smell smoke"...
> and I ran down to the shop.? The can was belching out
> smoke, you couldn't see across the room, a converted two-car
> garage.? The rim of the can was still cool, I carried
> it out to the driveway and dumped it out.? The rags
> were glowing red, they were partially consumed by glowing
> coals.? Our grandson blew into the rags and "poof!"...
> they burst into flame.
> 
> Yes, we have a fire detector in the shop, but the smoke
> detector was disconnected due to over-sensitivity.? I
> couldn't spray WD-40 without causing a false alarm.?
> And so no... we didn't detect the smoke.? The fire
> detector is a rate-of-rise temperature sensor tied into the
> alarm system.
> 
> It took 24 hours to cook off.? Had this happened at
> night, or when we weren't home, we could have had really
> serious trouble.? Having a shop connected to the house
> is a huge advantages during the winter months, but a fire
> could take down everything.
> 
> As I say, I should have known better.? I even recall
> being warned about this in grade school.
> 
> Beside feeling foolish, I feel pretty fortunate that our
> only consequence is having to air the place out.
> 
> My wife shook her finger at me and said "Don't you ever do
> that again."? Yep, I hear you.
> 
> Be warned...
> 
> Jim in Vermont
> 
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> 



From yostsw at atis.net  Tue Nov 29 21:26:02 2011
From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 00:26:02 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Spontaneous Combustion
In-Reply-To: <80BDB31C45E14E8F976252D06110FBB1@JamesDesktop>
References: <80BDB31C45E14E8F976252D06110FBB1@JamesDesktop>
Message-ID: <302BFB3F-E552-4347-ABAD-08FEE20BB620@atis.net>

I knew it, and still had it happen.  I wadded up my rag and threw it outside on the gravel while I went in to grab lunch.   I almost chastised myself for being too cautious.   Nothing could happen over a lunch- right?

Came back from lunch to a scorched rag smoldering on the gravel parking pad.  In my case I think the sun accelerated the time to combustion(and it was summer) because the shade retreated from the rag; but still- up in smoke in 45 mins!

Definitely be careful with linseed oil.

PS.  I have one of those rag buckets now where you can't leave the lid open.

Spencer

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 29, 2011, at 17:18, "Jim Hardman" <Jim at hardmanfamily.net> wrote:

> We almost had a fire... and I should have known better.
> 
> For years I have been warned about spontaneous combustion, but never experienced it.
> 
> We were cleaning an engine with mineral spirits using cheap Wal-Mart face cloths.  Our son and grandson were helping scrub off oily areas... flywheel spokes, surfaces that were caked with dried grease, etc.
> 
> The original paint had turned dark with a veteran patina, but there was no rust and the bright work cleaned up really well.  The last step was to wipe everything down with a 50-50 mix of mineral spirits and boiled linseed oil.  Let me tell you, this engine came to life.
> 
> We dropped the used facecloths (six or seven dark with grease and mineral spirits, plus three still pretty moist with linseed oil) into an oversize coffee can and went on to other work.
> 
> The next afternoon, our son said "Dad, I smell smoke"... and I ran down to the shop.  The can was belching out smoke, you couldn't see across the room, a converted two-car garage.  The rim of the can was still cool, I carried it out to the driveway and dumped it out.  The rags were glowing red, they were partially consumed by glowing coals.  Our grandson blew into the rags and "poof!"... they burst into flame.
> 
> Yes, we have a fire detector in the shop, but the smoke detector was disconnected due to over-sensitivity.  I couldn't spray WD-40 without causing a false alarm.  And so no... we didn't detect the smoke.  The fire detector is a rate-of-rise temperature sensor tied into the alarm system.
> 
> It took 24 hours to cook off.  Had this happened at night, or when we weren't home, we could have had really serious trouble.  Having a shop connected to the house is a huge advantages during the winter months, but a fire could take down everything.
> 
> As I say, I should have known better.  I even recall being warned about this in grade school.
> 
> Beside feeling foolish, I feel pretty fortunate that our only consequence is having to air the place out.
> 
> My wife shook her finger at me and said "Don't you ever do that again."  Yep, I hear you.
> 
> Be warned...
> 
> Jim in Vermont
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Fri Nov  4 07:52:49 2011
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 08:52:49 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Corey Bell's repro lunk mixers
Message-ID: <SNT143-ds3CEC04FB64943B3C080A1BBDA0@phx.gbl>

G'day all;
  Is Corey still around as I'm looking for a mixer for our newly acquired 
9hp Galloway.
  or any of you have one stuffed away and looking for a new home.  I believe 
it will be around inch and a quarter npt.

TIA
RickinMt. 



From mjhamric at yahoo.com  Fri Nov  4 08:23:53 2011
From: mjhamric at yahoo.com (Miles Hamrick)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 08:23:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SEL] Corey Bell's repro lunk mixers
In-Reply-To: <SNT143-ds3CEC04FB64943B3C080A1BBDA0@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT143-ds3CEC04FB64943B3C080A1BBDA0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1320420233.27223.YahooMailNeo@web125817.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Dick,
?
I just ordered one for him for my 5hp Galloway and it is nice.? His contact information is as follows:
?
Corey Bell 
12508 Longhorn Ave.
Sapulpa, OK 74066
Phone: 918-227-4407
?
His pricing model is as follows:
?
1/2 inch=$95
3/4 inch=$135
1 inch R.H.=$180
1 inch L.H.=$180
1 1/2 inch R.H.=$195
?
Add $10 for shipping charges.? He is a super nice guy to deal with and very helpful.? 
?
Miles
Shelby, NC


________________________________
From: Richard Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
To: stationary-engine <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>; The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, November 4, 2011 10:52 AM
Subject: [SEL] Corey Bell's repro lunk mixers

G'day all;
? Is Corey still around as I'm looking for a mixer for our newly acquired 
9hp Galloway.
? or any of you have one stuffed away and looking for a new home.? I believe 
it will be around inch and a quarter npt.

TIA
RickinMt. 

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From Germoamer at aol.com  Fri Nov  4 12:13:48 2011
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 15:13:48 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SEL] Corey Bell's repro lunk mixers
Message-ID: <435b.4151faf0.3be5936c@aol.com>



 
In a message dated 11/4/2011 11:02:08 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes:

  Is Corey still around as I'm looking for a mixer for our  newly acquired 
9hp Galloway.


I  have a 3/4 inch made by Larry Riley and shipped to someone in  1981.  
Never used.  I will make someone a good deal if  interested.  Contact me off 
list.

Tom  Schmutz
Concord, Va.  
germoamer at aol.com



From sluggo54 at hotmail.com  Sat Nov  5 08:01:21 2011
From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (=?utf-8?B?c2x1Z2dvNTRAaG90bWFpbC5jb20=?=)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 10:01:21 -0500
Subject: [SEL] =?utf-8?q?It=27s_not_iron?=
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP118B1E3627C646FD76A664DCBDB0@phx.gbl>

but it's cool.

 http://www.wimp.com/steamengine/ 

Bruce Younger

"A Nation of Sheep Breeds a Government of Wolves."

From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sat Nov  5 08:22:50 2011
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 09:22:50 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Corey Bell's repro lunk mixers
In-Reply-To: <SNT143-ds3CEC04FB64943B3C080A1BBDA0@phx.gbl>
	<1320420233.27223.YahooMailNeo@web125817.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <SNT143-ds3CEC04FB64943B3C080A1BBDA0@phx.gbl>
	<1320420233.27223.YahooMailNeo@web125817.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <SNT143-ds1756203ED0C970FEC91AF1BBDB0@phx.gbl>

Many thanks for the reply, Miles.  And which size did you use?  I imagine it 
was a left hand model.

Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Miles Hamrick" <mjhamric at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 9:23 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Corey Bell's repro lunk mixers


Dick,

I just ordered one for him for my 5hp Galloway and it is nice. His contact 
information is as follows:

Corey Bell
12508 Longhorn Ave.
Sapulpa, OK 74066
Phone: 918-227-4407

His pricing model is as follows:

1/2 inch=$95
3/4 inch=$135
1 inch R.H.=$180
1 inch L.H.=$180
1 1/2 inch R.H.=$195

Add $10 for shipping charges. He is a super nice guy to deal with and very 
helpful.

Miles
Shelby, NC


________________________________
From: Richard Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
To: stationary-engine <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>; The SEL email 
discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, November 4, 2011 10:52 AM
Subject: [SEL] Corey Bell's repro lunk mixers

G'day all;
Is Corey still around as I'm looking for a mixer for our newly acquired
9hp Galloway.
or any of you have one stuffed away and looking for a new home. I believe
it will be around inch and a quarter npt.

TIA
RickinMt.

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SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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From mathjr at optusnet.com.au  Sat Nov  5 15:25:14 2011
From: mathjr at optusnet.com.au (John Mathieson)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 09:25:14 +1100
Subject: [SEL] 4 HP International  Famous
Message-ID: <90910A5452294C098E5B333F913D1F2C@jackospc>

I am just completing the restoration of a 4HP International Famous horizontal SN 780E. I am in need of a cam gear to finish the project. Can anyone help out here please. Thanks in advance. John

From curt at rustyiron.com  Mon Nov  7 13:05:56 2011
From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 13:05:56 -0800
Subject: [SEL] 4 HP International  Famous
In-Reply-To: <90910A5452294C098E5B333F913D1F2C@jackospc>
References: <90910A5452294C098E5B333F913D1F2C@jackospc>
Message-ID: <5fa60887d7b370b87e20f02508dd430d.squirrel@elara.lunarservers.com>


John,
How about Ed Paine on your side of the pond?
Curt Holland

> I am just completing the restoration of a 4HP International Famous
> horizontal SN 780E. I am in need of a cam gear to finish the project. Can
> anyone help out here please. Thanks in advance. John
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From mathjr at optusnet.com.au  Mon Nov  7 13:18:08 2011
From: mathjr at optusnet.com.au (John Mathieson)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 08:18:08 +1100
Subject: [SEL] 4 HP International  Famous
References: <90910A5452294C098E5B333F913D1F2C@jackospc>
	<5fa60887d7b370b87e20f02508dd430d.squirrel@elara.lunarservers.com>
Message-ID: <B02D4244E7A24E59829EFB9093A260AA@jackospc>

Hi Curt, Edd got rid of his Famous spares but I have a lead on one in Ohio & 
possibly one here in NSW. Thanks for your suggestion. Regards John
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <curt at rustyiron.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 8:05 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] 4 HP International Famous


>
> John,
> How about Ed Paine on your side of the pond?
> Curt Holland
>
>> I am just completing the restoration of a 4HP International Famous
>> horizontal SN 780E. I am in need of a cam gear to finish the project. Can
>> anyone help out here please. Thanks in advance. John
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>>
>
>
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From russ4518 at gmail.com  Mon Nov  7 20:22:56 2011
From: russ4518 at gmail.com (russ cook)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 22:22:56 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Yanmar type s3 diesel engine
Message-ID: <CAD+4BX+1JLrKbkaNCpucK==CPPqsDT6+-E2CQuqQJUS+rW+Niw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi there in look for info on a yanmar diesel hitmiss engine if anybody can
help me out just bought it . Thanks Russ


From frappi at wcoil.com  Wed Nov  9 11:30:53 2011
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 14:30:53 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Wapakonetta Ohio Swap Meet
Message-ID: <20111109193049.DAA569638@smtp.wcoil.com>



Looking forward to one last swap in this area for the year.  (Wapak) 
Wapakonetta Ohio USA At the Auglaize Co fair grounds this Friday and Saturday.

Looking like it will be chilly but no rain. The gals in the Kitchen 
will feed you well, and into a diabetic coma if you so choose! See Ya 
There.   Mark




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USA

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From asouth42 at embarqmail.com  Thu Nov 10 17:12:51 2011
From: asouth42 at embarqmail.com (Arthur Southwell)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 20:12:51 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT: 11-11-11
Message-ID: <D19D3FF9FA974E2C9D7B01E60E468DCD@ArthurHP2>

To all veterans and active duty military:
THANK YOU! for your service to our great nation.

To The Greatest Generation: Thanks you for me not being forced to learn German and or Japanese.

Especially tomorrow, thank a vet.

C?ya,
Arthur




Arthur Southwell
Arcadia, FL 34266 USA

asouth42 at embarqmail.com









Arthur Southwell
Arcadia, FL 34266 USA

asouth42 at embarqmail.com

From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sun Nov 13 11:06:16 2011
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 12:06:16 -0700
Subject: [SEL] A new to me Whazzit
Message-ID: <SNT143-ds8729005057601173FC956BBC30@phx.gbl>

G'day all;
  Friend of mine picked up this little gem at an auction the other day. 
Sure could use some help ID'ing it.  ~3"bore, ~6" Stroke. Base, cylinder and 
hopper are one casting.

Looks a little Associated but exhaust on this one comes out the back.

Thanks much for looking

RickinMt.

http://good-times.webshots.com/album/581815135TFKQaN 



From lew at lewslittlefarm.com  Sun Nov 13 12:13:52 2011
From: lew at lewslittlefarm.com (Lew Best)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 14:13:52 -0600
Subject: [SEL]  Lew Best
In-Reply-To: <SNT143-ds8729005057601173FC956BBC30@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT143-ds8729005057601173FC956BBC30@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <006101cca240$c37652e0$4a62f8a0$@com>

Hi all,
You don't know me, but, I am Lew Best daughter. I have been going through
hoping that I had reached all of the groups that he is on, until this one
came up today. Unfortunantly my dad passed away Thursday afternoon losing a
battle to cancer.

We will be having a graveside funeral service on Tuesday, November 15, 2011
at 2:30pm at Oakwood Cemetery in Waco, Texas. His obituary has been posted
in the Waco Tribune newspaper today (Sunday) and can also be viewed online
at http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/wacotrib/ If anyone would like to send
flowers, they can be sent to the Waco Memorial Funeral Home on I-35 on
Monday and by the latest, around noon Tuesday.

 I am truly sorry that I didn't find this group before now. If anyone would
like to reach me by private email, you may do so at roonemi at yahoo.com as I
am only checking his email periodically to see if I missed anyone. 

Sincerely,
Emily Daughter of
Lew near Waco, TX



From al.harris at rustic-engines.com  Sun Nov 13 12:59:43 2011
From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 07:59:43 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Lew Best
In-Reply-To: <006101cca240$c37652e0$4a62f8a0$@com>
References: <SNT143-ds8729005057601173FC956BBC30@phx.gbl>
	<006101cca240$c37652e0$4a62f8a0$@com>
Message-ID: <4EC02FBF.4030809@rustic-engines.com>

Emily,

my sincerest condolences.

Speaking for the Oz members of the group who might not see this message 
before Tuesday, I am sure they would want me to offer their condolences 
as well.

All the best to you and family and to all Lew's friends and acquaintances,

Al Harris


On 14/11/2011 7:13 AM, Lew Best wrote:
> Hi all,
> You don't know me, but, I am Lew Best daughter. I have been going through
> hoping that I had reached all of the groups that he is on, until this one
> came up today. Unfortunantly my dad passed away Thursday afternoon losing a
> battle to cancer.
>
> We will be having a graveside funeral service on Tuesday, November 15, 2011
> at 2:30pm at Oakwood Cemetery in Waco, Texas. His obituary has been posted
> in the Waco Tribune newspaper today (Sunday) and can also be viewed online
> at http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/wacotrib/ If anyone would like to send
> flowers, they can be sent to the Waco Memorial Funeral Home on I-35 on
> Monday and by the latest, around noon Tuesday.
>
>   I am truly sorry that I didn't find this group before now. If anyone would
> like to reach me by private email, you may do so at roonemi at yahoo.com as I
> am only checking his email periodically to see if I missed anyone.
>
> Sincerely,
> Emily Daughter of
> Lew near Waco, TX
>
>








From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 13 12:57:21 2011
From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 14:57:21 -0600
Subject: [SEL] A new to me Whazzit
Message-ID: <ylq17s3xmvuuprmapvf4ru98.1321217841524@email.android.com>

Don't know what name was put on it but Nelson Brothers built it.
Joe

Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Android phone

Richard Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com> wrote:

>G'day all;
>  Friend of mine picked up this little gem at an auction the other day. 
>Sure could use some help ID'ing it.  ~3"bore, ~6" Stroke. Base, cylinder and 
>hopper are one casting.
>
>Looks a little Associated but exhaust on this one comes out the back.
>
>Thanks much for looking
>
>RickinMt.
>
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From briwatt at optusnet.com.au  Tue Nov 15 22:05:13 2011
From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 17:05:13 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Fw: Clutterbuck sale on Utube
Message-ID: <705082A55D8948D99CDB7C8273683157@FREDDY>




We have just put a video on Utube of an eng we are selling.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXBr12FH9eI

Brian Watts
briwatt at optusnet.com.au
(03) 97266147

David Watts
damewatt at bigpond.com.au
(03) 87616332


From briwatt at optusnet.com.au  Tue Nov 15 22:50:03 2011
From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 17:50:03 +1100
Subject: [SEL] test
Message-ID: <2AAFFB786A8A4EB3B1CA2AAADDA588BC@BrianPC>



From briwatt at optusnet.com.au  Wed Nov 16 00:04:06 2011
From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 19:04:06 +1100
Subject: [SEL] test
Message-ID: <12FAC9976A08423A882E175EDC3D1452@BrianPC>

is the list down?

From briwatt at optusnet.com.au  Wed Nov 16 00:15:28 2011
From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 19:15:28 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Clutterbuck sale on Utube
Message-ID: <0FB5C14850F149BFBCF35818FB868B76@BrianPC>


We have just put a video on Utube of an eng we sre selling,link below for 10hp Clutterbuck,

http://www.youtube.com/user/brianvwatts




Brian Watts
briwatt at optusnet.com.au
(03) 97266147

David Watts
damewatt at bigpond.com.au
(03) 87616332

videos..


From marinesurveys at msn.com  Wed Nov 16 00:13:36 2011
From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 03:13:36 -0500
Subject: [SEL] test
In-Reply-To: <12FAC9976A08423A882E175EDC3D1452@BrianPC>
References: <12FAC9976A08423A882E175EDC3D1452@BrianPC>
Message-ID: <COL106-W53C148EDA35530884F8F70B4C60@phx.gbl>


Brian; I'm seeing your post

 
 
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> From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au
> To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 19:04:06 +1100
> Subject: [SEL] test
> 
> is the list down?
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From al.harris at rustic-engines.com  Wed Nov 16 00:16:23 2011
From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 19:16:23 +1100
Subject: [SEL] test
In-Reply-To: <12FAC9976A08423A882E175EDC3D1452@BrianPC>
References: <12FAC9976A08423A882E175EDC3D1452@BrianPC>
Message-ID: <4EC37157.7080706@rustic-engines.com>

no brian.

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From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Wed Nov 16 00:19:46 2011
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 19:19:46 +1100
Subject: [SEL] test
In-Reply-To: <12FAC9976A08423A882E175EDC3D1452@BrianPC>
References: <12FAC9976A08423A882E175EDC3D1452@BrianPC>
Message-ID: <4EC37222.8030205@optusnet.com.au>

On 16/11/2011 7:04 PM, Brian Watts wrote:
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G'Day Brian, coming in loud and clear in Lithgow
Kerry


From rdhaskell at juno.com  Wed Nov 16 10:30:40 2011
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 10:30:40 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Paint match
Message-ID: <20111116.103140.22029.66438@mailpop24.vgs.untd.com>

Hi all.
I want to paint my Blackstone engine, the correct paint is Mid Brunswick
Green BS 381C.  What is the closest match in something I can buy here in
the USA?
All the paint stores I have contacted here don't have a clue.  Thanks


Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
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From frappi at wcoil.com  Wed Nov 16 11:01:34 2011
From: frappi at wcoil.com (Mark Shulaw)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 14:01:34 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Paint match
In-Reply-To: <20111116.103140.22029.66438@mailpop24.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20111116.103140.22029.66438@mailpop24.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <20111116190130.D1B8F9605@smtp.wcoil.com>

Hi Ron,
  Not being familiar with Mid Brunswick Green BS 381C , I wonder is 
it a dark green similar to FBM, Witte, the original Maytag, or Lauson 
Frost King  green?
    If its close to the old Maytag green I can provide modern paints 
formulas for a couple different paint systems both by DuPont. I 
believe Wendel's note book has codes for the other engine brands.

Mark


At 01:30 PM 11/16/2011, you wrote:
>Hi all.
>I want to paint my Blackstone engine, the correct paint is Mid Brunswick
>Green BS 381C.  What is the closest match in something I can buy here in
>the USA?
>All the paint stores I have contacted here don't have a clue.  Thanks
>
>
>Ron Haskell
>rdhaskell at juno.com
>Riverside, California USA
>http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell
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From russell at ncable.com.au  Wed Nov 16 13:11:34 2011
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 08:11:34 +1100
Subject: [SEL] test
In-Reply-To: <12FAC9976A08423A882E175EDC3D1452@BrianPC>
References: <12FAC9976A08423A882E175EDC3D1452@BrianPC>
Message-ID: <6B7D3247-474A-437D-B56F-051A9EF88219@ncable.com.au>

Brian your engine sale note and your test is all good
Russell
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From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Wed Nov 16 13:15:51 2011
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 08:15:51 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Paint match
In-Reply-To: <20111116.103140.22029.66438@mailpop24.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20111116.103140.22029.66438@mailpop24.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <4EC42807.2040601@optusnet.com.au>

On 17/11/2011 5:30 AM, rdhaskell at juno.com wrote:
> Hi all.
> I want to paint my Blackstone engine, the correct paint is Mid Brunswick
> Green BS 381C.  What is the closest match in something I can buy here in
> the USA?
> All the paint stores I have contacted here don't have a clue.  Thanks
>
>
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California USA
> http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell
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From russell at ncable.com.au  Wed Nov 16 13:22:10 2011
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 08:22:10 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Paint match
In-Reply-To: <4EC42807.2040601@optusnet.com.au>
References: <20111116.103140.22029.66438@mailpop24.vgs.untd.com>
	<4EC42807.2040601@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <0A027225-53DA-4B00-BE0E-54C66BABB16B@ncable.com.au>

So what are you trying to say Kerry !!!



On 17/11/2011, at 8:15 AM, Kerry wrote:

> On 17/11/2011 5:30 AM, rdhaskell at juno.com wrote:
>> Hi all.
>> I want to paint my Blackstone engine, the correct paint is Mid Brunswick
>> Green BS 381C.  What is the closest match in something I can buy here in
>> the USA?
>> All the paint stores I have contacted here don't have a clue.  Thanks
>> 
>> 
>> Ron Haskell
>> rdhaskell at juno.com
>> Riverside, California USA
>> http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell
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From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Wed Nov 16 13:50:58 2011
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 08:50:58 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Paint match
In-Reply-To: <20111116.103140.22029.66438@mailpop24.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20111116.103140.22029.66438@mailpop24.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <4EC43042.20708@optusnet.com.au>

G'Day Ron
Sorry about the last post, slipped out unloaded.
You may need to check out the source of your paint color, Mid Brunswick 
is way to light, Michael Key the English Register of Blackstone states 
in his books "The Blackstone Collection" that Deep Bronze Green 
BS381c224, lined out with Brilliant Green BS 381c.221. the crankshaft 
weights in Post Office RED and flywheels Black with the rim burnished.
Getting that match in the US will still be a problem but make sure your 
after the right shade.

Kerry






On 17/11/2011 5:30 AM, rdhaskell at juno.com wrote:
> Hi all.
> I want to paint my Blackstone engine, the correct paint is Mid Brunswick
> Green BS 381C.  What is the closest match in something I can buy here in
> the USA?
> All the paint stores I have contacted here don't have a clue.  Thanks
>
>
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California USA
> http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell
>
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From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Wed Nov 16 13:55:08 2011
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 08:55:08 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Paint match
In-Reply-To: <0A027225-53DA-4B00-BE0E-54C66BABB16B@ncable.com.au>
References: <20111116.103140.22029.66438@mailpop24.vgs.untd.com>
	<4EC42807.2040601@optusnet.com.au>
	<0A027225-53DA-4B00-BE0E-54C66BABB16B@ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <4EC4313C.50803@optusnet.com.au>

Too early in the day?
Kerry


On 17/11/2011 8:22 AM, Russell wrote:
> So what are you trying to say Kerry !!!
>



From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk  Wed Nov 16 14:06:58 2011
From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (Craig Morrison)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 22:06:58 -0000
Subject: [SEL] aging new timber to look old
Message-ID: <ED2E1F6EF6034D02AF6F318ECB3484FC@craig8b4f43368>

Hi,
        As the title says, does anyone have any ideas how to age the new timber used on an engine cart so as it looks period to an original looking engine.(ie; not shiny as using a wood preservative will leave it)
    Any thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks, Craig

From curt at rustyiron.com  Wed Nov 16 15:05:37 2011
From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 15:05:37 -0800
Subject: [SEL] aging new timber to look old
In-Reply-To: <ED2E1F6EF6034D02AF6F318ECB3484FC@craig8b4f43368>
References: <ED2E1F6EF6034D02AF6F318ECB3484FC@craig8b4f43368>
Message-ID: <942f5ab58bbe2e47c1f3df5f9ebf4211.squirrel@elara.lunarservers.com>

Craig,
A piece of the aging process might include a light sandblasting. That will
remove a little of the softer wood and leave the grain a little higher,
something you would see with natually aged wood.
Then I'd be tempted to wipe the wood down with some really dirty motor
oil, and rub this back off.
Curt Holland
Bessemer City, NC

> Hi,
>         As the title says, does anyone have any ideas how to age the new
> timber used on an engine cart so as it looks period to an original
> looking engine.(ie; not shiny as using a wood preservative will
> leave it)
>     Any thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks, Craig
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From edstoller at earthlink.net  Wed Nov 16 15:18:32 2011
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed Stoller)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 18:18:32 -0500
Subject: [SEL] aging new timber to look old
References: <ED2E1F6EF6034D02AF6F318ECB3484FC@craig8b4f43368>
	<942f5ab58bbe2e47c1f3df5f9ebf4211.squirrel@elara.lunarservers.com>
Message-ID: <120A98A2883B4765A588FD30A20F41B1@edlaptop>

I was going to suggest the dirty motor oil too. If it was too black, you 
could wash it with a solvent.

Ed Stoller
New Fairfield,  CT,   USA
www.enginesandmagnets.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <curt at rustyiron.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 6:05 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] aging new timber to look old


> Craig,
> A piece of the aging process might include a light sandblasting. That will
> remove a little of the softer wood and leave the grain a little higher,
> something you would see with natually aged wood.
> Then I'd be tempted to wipe the wood down with some really dirty motor
> oil, and rub this back off.
> Curt Holland
> Bessemer City, NC
>
>> Hi,
>>         As the title says, does anyone have any ideas how to age the new
>> timber used on an engine cart so as it looks period to an original
>> looking engine.(ie; not shiny as using a wood preservative will
>> leave it)
>>     Any thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks, Craig
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From gasenginetom at hotmail.com  Wed Nov 16 15:42:57 2011
From: gasenginetom at hotmail.com (gasenginetom at hotmail.com)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 18:42:57 -0500
Subject: [SEL] aging new timber to look old
In-Reply-To: <120A98A2883B4765A588FD30A20F41B1@edlaptop>
References: <ED2E1F6EF6034D02AF6F318ECB3484FC@craig8b4f43368>	<942f5ab58bbe2e47c1f3df5f9ebf4211.squirrel@elara.lunarservers.com>
	<120A98A2883B4765A588FD30A20F41B1@edlaptop>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP8043F7324AFB69C0B1F17BC2C60@phx.gbl>

Try lightly singeing the surface with a flame 

Tom winland
Ohio

Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless

-----Original message-----
From: Ed Stoller <edstoller at earthlink.net>
To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wed, Nov 16, 2011 23:18:32 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: [SEL] aging new timber to look old

I was going to suggest the dirty motor oil too. If it was too black, you 
could wash it with a solvent.

Ed Stoller
New Fairfield,  CT,   USA
www.enginesandmagnets.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <curt at rustyiron.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 6:05 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] aging new timber to look old


> Craig,
> A piece of the aging process might include a light sandblasting. That will
> remove a little of the softer wood and leave the grain a little higher,
> something you would see with natually aged wood.
> Then I'd be tempted to wipe the wood down with some really dirty motor
> oil, and rub this back off.
> Curt Holland
> Bessemer City, NC
>
>> Hi,
>>         As the title says, does anyone have any ideas how to age the new
>> timber used on an engine cart so as it looks period to an original
>> looking engine.(ie; not shiny as using a wood preservative will
>> leave it)
>>     Any thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks, Craig
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From BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com  Wed Nov 16 15:43:57 2011
From: BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com (BIGFLYWHEEL at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 18:43:57 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] aging new timber to look old
Message-ID: <3f323.62d69a6a.3bf5a4bd@aol.com>

Craig  if you can get your hands on some old creosote that's what they  
used to treat railroad timbers with would work well. 
 
KK 
 
 
In a message dated 11/16/2011 5:12:18 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
benzengines at tiscali.co.uk writes:

Hi,
As the title says, does anyone  have any ideas how to age the new timber 
used on an engine cart so as it looks  period to an original looking 
engine.(ie; not shiny as using a wood  preservative will leave it)
Any thoughts or suggestions would  be appreciated.

Thanks,  Craig
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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Wed Nov 16 16:56:07 2011
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 16:56:07 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Paint match
Message-ID: <20111116.165612.1645.1638@mailpop21.vgs.untd.com>

Thanks Mark.
It seems I was asking about the wrong color.  What I really need is Deep
Bronze Green  BS381c-224.  It is extremely dark, at least that is how my
monitor shows it.  Will probably need someone from England or Australia
to send a color chip to take to the paint shop to match.  Thanks for your
reply.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell

On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 14:01:34 -0500 Mark Shulaw <frappi at wcoil.com> writes:
> Hi Ron,
>   Not being familiar with Mid Brunswick Green BS 381C , I wonder is 
> 
> it a dark green similar to FBM, Witte, the original Maytag, or 
> Lauson 
> Frost King  green?
>     If its close to the old Maytag green I can provide modern paints 
> 
> formulas for a couple different paint systems both by DuPont. I 
> believe Wendel's note book has codes for the other engine brands.
> 
> Mark
>
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From curt at rustyiron.com  Wed Nov 16 17:30:56 2011
From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 17:30:56 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Paint match
In-Reply-To: <20111116.165612.1645.1638@mailpop21.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20111116.165612.1645.1638@mailpop21.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <c6edbfe0ba38319c7e126d73119b2fac.squirrel@elara.lunarservers.com>


Ron,
Better yet just have them send an engine. You might or might not actually
return the engine ;-)
Curt

> Thanks Mark.
> It seems I was asking about the wrong color.  What I really need is Deep
> Bronze Green  BS381c-224.  It is extremely dark, at least that is how my
> monitor shows it.  Will probably need someone from England or Australia
> to send a color chip to take to the paint shop to match.  Thanks for your
> reply.




From rdhaskell at juno.com  Wed Nov 16 17:58:31 2011
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 17:58:31 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Paint match
Message-ID: <20111116.175919.1645.1886@mailpop21.vgs.untd.com>

That works for me.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell

On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 17:30:56 -0800 curt at rustyiron.com writes:
> 
> Ron,
> Better yet just have them send an engine. You might or might not 
> actually
> return the engine ;-)
> Curt
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From sutter6 at bigpond.net.au  Thu Nov 17 02:13:04 2011
From: sutter6 at bigpond.net.au (sutter)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 21:13:04 +1100
Subject: [SEL] "Premier" Engine??
Message-ID: <AF027D629BE84295B9F0D3784D7A2417@rodfew3c793iy9>

Hello SEL List

 

Would anyone know anything about an engine that has "Premier Engine - T
Richardson - . Elizabeth St , Melbourne" on the name plate. I saw it today
in a shed not far from my place - the owner has had 2 x timing gears made
for it - but did not know much about it - he thought it was from around
1912-14.

 

It is a vertical with one really heavy flywheel on a heavy open cast iron
stand that sits on a steel transporter with a large square water tank that
has 2 or 3 "baffle" plates inside. Looks to be around 3HP - atmospheric
inlet valve, Bosch Mag.(DA4 ??) and Schebler carby. It looked a bit like a
marine engine but the water tank and transporter looked original.

 

Could get a photo if necessary.

 

Regards

 

Rod Sutter

sutter6 at bigpond.net.au

 



From ilifa at internode.on.net  Thu Nov 17 03:05:51 2011
From: ilifa at internode.on.net (Eric Schulz)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 22:05:51 +1100
Subject: [SEL] "Premier" Engine??
In-Reply-To: <AF027D629BE84295B9F0D3784D7A2417@rodfew3c793iy9>
References: <AF027D629BE84295B9F0D3784D7A2417@rodfew3c793iy9>
Message-ID: <94539272-324D-4FED-8A37-D64A1650528B@internode.on.net>

Premier engines are pretty rare. The oldest reference to them that I know of is advertising in 1910. It has been suggested that production ended in 1916, but that has not been verified.
They do have a marine base, but were not advertised as a marine engine. See the 1910 ad. These are not good copies, especially one, done maybe 30 or more years ago. Copiers have improved enormously since then.

Eric

[IMG]http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc10/Antique_Engines/Premier1.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc10/Antique_Engines/Premier2copy.jpg[/IMG]


From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Thu Nov 17 04:15:36 2011
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 12:15:36 -0000
Subject: [SEL] "Premier" Engine??
In-Reply-To: <94539272-324D-4FED-8A37-D64A1650528B@internode.on.net>
References: <AF027D629BE84295B9F0D3784D7A2417@rodfew3c793iy9>
	<94539272-324D-4FED-8A37-D64A1650528B@internode.on.net>
Message-ID: <B9CA9D178A3C444D9B93031AC7B76346@BTDAVEPC>

Hi Eric. I had a problem opening that until I modified the address to
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/cc10/Antique_Engines/Premier1.jpg
Dave Croft
http://oldengine.org/members/croft/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Eric Schulz" <ilifa at internode.on.net>
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 11:05 AM
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] "Premier" Engine??

> Premier engines are pretty rare. The oldest reference to them that I know 
> of is advertising in 1910. It has been suggested that production ended in 
> 1916, but that has not been verified.
> They do have a marine base, but were not advertised as a marine engine. 
> See the 1910 ad. These are not good copies, especially one, done maybe 30 
> or more years ago. Copiers have improved enormously since then.
>
> Eric
>
> [IMG]http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc10/Antique_Engines/Premier1.jpg[/IMG]
>
> [IMG]http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc10/Antique_Engines/Premier2copy.jpg[/IMG]
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From mjhamric at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 17 07:49:13 2011
From: mjhamric at yahoo.com (Miles Hamrick)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 07:49:13 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] aging new timber to look old
In-Reply-To: <84CAABD5-9E00-4F71-B6D4-DEA9813EF2B1@yahoo.com>
References: <ED2E1F6EF6034D02AF6F318ECB3484FC@craig8b4f43368>
	<84CAABD5-9E00-4F71-B6D4-DEA9813EF2B1@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1321544953.88523.YahooMailNeo@web125805.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

My Scottish friend!? Take a gallon of vinegar and put a steel wool pad in the jug and the vinager/acid will break down the steel?wool.? Once this happens, apply the solution and you are ready to?roll.? I have done this on log cabins where we have?installed yellow new looking?wood and this turns it a silver brownish?color.? Good luck.
?
P.S we like the new engines you let us bring home they are a nice fit for Mike and I.

Sent from my iPod. 

On Nov 16, 2011, at 5:06 PM, "Craig Morrison" <benzengines at tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

> Hi,
>? ? ? ? As the title says, does anyone have any ideas how to age the new timber used on an engine cart so as it looks period to an original looking engine.(ie; not shiny as using a wood preservative will leave it)
>? ? Any thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated.
> 
> Thanks, Craig
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From bigtime64 at hotmail.com  Thu Nov 17 10:28:43 2011
From: bigtime64 at hotmail.com (Ed Herreid)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 18:28:43 +0000
Subject: [SEL] aging new timber to look old
In-Reply-To: <ED2E1F6EF6034D02AF6F318ECB3484FC@craig8b4f43368>
References: <ED2E1F6EF6034D02AF6F318ECB3484FC@craig8b4f43368>
Message-ID: <BLU159-W52067E97B4DFD7FFD16B0BB4C70@phx.gbl>


Craig,
 
When I assembled the repro cart for my John Deere engine I used pressure treated wood and did not use any other preservative.  The JD external oiling system naturally slung dirty oil all over the wood every time it was run and it was a short time til the oil soaked in and gave it an old aged look.  
 
Ed

 

 

> From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 22:06:58 +0000
> Subject: [SEL] aging new timber to look old
> 
> Hi,
> As the title says, does anyone have any ideas how to age the new timber used on an engine cart so as it looks period to an original looking engine.(ie; not shiny as using a wood preservative will leave it)
> Any thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated.
> 
> Thanks, Craig
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
 		 	   		  

From open_crank at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 17 13:02:23 2011
From: open_crank at yahoo.com (c)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 21:02:23 +0000
Subject: [SEL] British Paints - re Blackstone
Message-ID: <4EC5765F.2070607@yahoo.com>

Hi -

Bit late, but have just seen the string on Blackstone colours.
BSI381c is a British Standards Institute classification for a
paint family. The key number follows the class - eg 224.
Each colour has a specific name, eg Deep Bronze Green.

To match elsewhere in the world, a Google search on BSI381c-224
will yield many hits. One particular technical site I found is
http://www.perbang.dk/rgb/304020/. This gives a bunch of weird
looking numbers, but they all mean something very specific to image
makers - & hopefully paint makers. Gives a very precise definition of
the colour - in this case BSI381c-224. (Same site covers any colour,
not just -224)

Several of the sites saying they have colour matches for -224 seem
to be blank for that colour, although having many other greens.

I have a Blackstone 12hp, & agree with Michael Key's specification.
Very rare to find a Blackstone in any other colour, although I believe
some of the verticals were black.

Colin Osborne




From open_crank at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 17 13:13:24 2011
From: open_crank at yahoo.com (c)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 21:13:24 +0000
Subject: [SEL] British Paints - Blackstone Deep Bronze Green
Message-ID: <4EC578F4.2040307@yahoo.com>

Hi - Follow-up to earlier mail. This colour was widely used on British
(& possibly NATO) vehicles. May be a useful avenue to explore for
sources or matches, if your country has an active military vehicle
restoration heritage.

Good string with one very clear photo of colour at
http://hmvf.co.uk/forumvb/showthread.php?14886-Deep-Bronze-Green-or-MOD-Green

Note the comment that this colour darkens over time, whereas many other 
colours go
lighter.

Colin


From ilifa at internode.on.net  Thu Nov 17 13:21:09 2011
From: ilifa at internode.on.net (Eric Schulz)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 08:21:09 +1100
Subject: [SEL] "Premier" Engine??
In-Reply-To: <B9CA9D178A3C444D9B93031AC7B76346@BTDAVEPC>
References: <AF027D629BE84295B9F0D3784D7A2417@rodfew3c793iy9>
	<94539272-324D-4FED-8A37-D64A1650528B@internode.on.net>
	<B9CA9D178A3C444D9B93031AC7B76346@BTDAVEPC>
Message-ID: <C65CE046-01DD-4B50-9859-93D207A4F851@internode.on.net>

Dave, you are quite correct. I found after posting that too much info was included in the URL, so sent a revised version that didn't show up. Here are the corrected ones.

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc10/Antique_Engines/Premier1.jpg
http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc10/Antique_Engines/Premier2copy.jpg

Eric


From jerrye at databak.co.za  Thu Nov 17 14:15:02 2011
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 00:15:02 +0200
Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 92, Issue 9
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1321549202.20714.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20111117231956.01f5c610@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>

   At 07:00 PM 17/11/11, you wrote:

     Message: 13
     Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 16:56:07 -0800
     From: rdhaskell at juno.com
     Subject: Re: [SEL] Paint match
     Thanks Mark.
     It seems I was asking about the wrong color.  What I really need is
     Deep
     Bronze Green  BS381c-224.  It is extremely dark, at least that is
     how my
     monitor shows it.  Will probably need someone from England or
     Australia
     to send a color chip to take to the paint shop to match.  Thanks for
     your
     reply.
     Ron Haskell

   Hi Ron,
           Those Brits and their "Greens" - Mid Brunswick was used by
   Lister but it was at one time the"standard" green to use for all
   (British) industrial equipment. Very closely related to British Racing
   Green (maybe a "smidge" lighter)

           ISTR that "Deep Bronze Green" was also called "Land Rover
   Green" but not too sure but also closely related to the"Brunswick
   colours". I think that Ruston or Petters used that colour but it's late
   here and I would not "swear to it".
           You can never go by your Monitor colours but a Google search
   for RGB (Red Green Blue) colour equivalent chart can help. Once you
   have found the "RGB" then ask someone who has a graphics programme like
   Photoshop or CorelDraw to do a letter size drawing with a rectangle
   filling the page coloured with that RGB formula. Take that drawing to a
   decent printing company and ask them to print it out on coated paper
   for you (your home inkjet printer may not be as accurate as the high
   quality printers used by the printing company). That will give you
   pretty good idea of the colour and a paint shop can mix from it.
   (Remember that a colour printed onto coated or even a glossy paper will
   vary slightly from the same colour printed onto matte (or Plain) paper.

     ((The colour you mention "BS381c-224" has a small "c" just after the
     381 - that only means that that it is what the the colour will look
     like on a "coated" paper - the printing company will be able to
     explain more than I can !))

   A very quick search gives the RGB equivalent as 30 40 20 (ie 30 parts
   RED - 40 parts Green - 20 parts Blue) but I'm tired and in a hurry so
   best check yourself :-(
   If you like I can do the CorelDraw drawing for you - let me know off
   list.

   Keep the revs up (or down)
   Jerry Evans
   Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
   Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
   <[1]www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>

References

   1. http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm


From rotigel at me.com  Thu Nov 17 16:49:14 2011
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 19:49:14 -0500
Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 92, Issue 9
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20111117231956.01f5c610@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20111117231956.01f5c610@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>
Message-ID: <CA0681BA-39A1-4D42-A443-EACA5C97FB6C@me.com>

If ANYONE on the LIST believes that all the engines that were made by any single engine company (in the early part of the 20th century) were painted the same shade of green (or any other given colo(u)r for that matter) I wish they would contact me off list. I have a BRIDGE for sale!
	Dave

On Nov 17, 2011, at 5:15 PM, Jerry Evans wrote:

>   At 07:00 PM 17/11/11, you wrote:
> 
>     Message: 13
>     Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 16:56:07 -0800
>     From: rdhaskell at juno.com
>     Subject: Re: [SEL] Paint match
>     Thanks Mark.
>     It seems I was asking about the wrong color.  What I really need is
>     Deep
>     Bronze Green  BS381c-224.  It is extremely dark, at least that is
>     how my
>     monitor shows it.  Will probably need someone from England or
>     Australia
>     to send a color chip to take to the paint shop to match.  Thanks for
>     your
>     reply.
>     Ron Haskell
> 
>   Hi Ron,
>           Those Brits and their "Greens" - Mid Brunswick was used by
>   Lister but it was at one time the"standard" green to use for all
>   (British) industrial equipment. Very closely related to British Racing
>   Green (maybe a "smidge" lighter)
> 
>           ISTR that "Deep Bronze Green" was also called "Land Rover
>   Green" but not too sure but also closely related to the"Brunswick
>   colours". I think that Ruston or Petters used that colour but it's late
>   here and I would not "swear to it".
>           You can never go by your Monitor colours but a Google search
>   for RGB (Red Green Blue) colour equivalent chart can help. Once you
>   have found the "RGB" then ask someone who has a graphics programme like
>   Photoshop or CorelDraw to do a letter size drawing with a rectangle
>   filling the page coloured with that RGB formula. Take that drawing to a
>   decent printing company and ask them to print it out on coated paper
>   for you (your home inkjet printer may not be as accurate as the high
>   quality printers used by the printing company). That will give you
>   pretty good idea of the colour and a paint shop can mix from it.
>   (Remember that a colour printed onto coated or even a glossy paper will
>   vary slightly from the same colour printed onto matte (or Plain) paper.
> 
>     ((The colour you mention "BS381c-224" has a small "c" just after the
>     381 - that only means that that it is what the the colour will look
>     like on a "coated" paper - the printing company will be able to
>     explain more than I can !))
> 
>   A very quick search gives the RGB equivalent as 30 40 20 (ie 30 parts
>   RED - 40 parts Green - 20 parts Blue) but I'm tired and in a hurry so
>   best check yourself :-(
>   If you like I can do the CorelDraw drawing for you - let me know off
>   list.
> 
>   Keep the revs up (or down)
>   Jerry Evans
>   Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
>   Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
>   <[1]www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>
> 
> References
> 
>   1. http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From mr at carolina.rr.com  Thu Nov 17 17:17:14 2011
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 20:17:14 -0500
Subject: [SEL] aging new timber to look old
In-Reply-To: <1321544953.88523.YahooMailNeo@web125805.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <ED2E1F6EF6034D02AF6F318ECB3484FC@craig8b4f43368><84CAABD5-9E00-4F71-B6D4-DEA9813EF2B1@yahoo.com>
	<1321544953.88523.YahooMailNeo@web125805.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <34411A49B7DC46BBA5EF12BE96F18187@RoysterPC>

Miles, it's your turn to sell one next week.  I love the instant profit!!!!

MR

-----Original Message----- 
From: Miles Hamrick
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 10:49 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] aging new timber to look old

My Scottish friend!  Take a gallon of vinegar and put a steel wool pad in 
the jug and the vinager/acid will break down the steel wool.  Once this 
happens, apply the solution and you are ready to roll.  I have done this on 
log cabins where we have installed yellow new looking wood and this turns it 
a silver brownish color.  Good luck.

P.S we like the new engines you let us bring home they are a nice fit for 
Mike and I.

Sent from my iPod.

On Nov 16, 2011, at 5:06 PM, "Craig Morrison" <benzengines at tiscali.co.uk> 
wrote:

> Hi,
>        As the title says, does anyone have any ideas how to age the new 
> timber used on an engine cart so as it looks period to an original looking 
> engine.(ie; not shiny as using a wood preservative will leave it)
>    Any thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks, Craig
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
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From krit33 at comcast.net  Thu Nov 17 17:28:41 2011
From: krit33 at comcast.net (Jim)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 20:28:41 -0500
Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 92, Issue 9
In-Reply-To: <CA0681BA-39A1-4D42-A443-EACA5C97FB6C@me.com>
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20111117231956.01f5c610@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>
	<CA0681BA-39A1-4D42-A443-EACA5C97FB6C@me.com>
Message-ID: <30B4F61C-5C18-41AD-8F76-DE4ACAE7851D@comcast.net>

I just got back from England and have seen their paint, if you can't make a deal with Dave on the bridge I have a self installation bridge for sale it will suit you well 

Sent from my iPod

On Nov 17, 2011, at 7:49 PM, Dave Rotigel <rotigel at me.com> wrote:

> If ANYONE on the LIST believes that all the engines that were made by any single engine company (in the early part of the 20th century) were painted the same shade of green (or any other given colo(u)r for that matter) I wish they would contact me off list. I have a BRIDGE for sale!
>    Dave
> 
> On Nov 17, 2011, at 5:15 PM, Jerry Evans wrote:
> 
>>  At 07:00 PM 17/11/11, you wrote:
>> 
>>    Message: 13
>>    Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 16:56:07 -0800
>>    From: rdhaskell at juno.com
>>    Subject: Re: [SEL] Paint match
>>    Thanks Mark.
>>    It seems I was asking about the wrong color.  What I really need is
>>    Deep
>>    Bronze Green  BS381c-224.  It is extremely dark, at least that is
>>    how my
>>    monitor shows it.  Will probably need someone from England or
>>    Australia
>>    to send a color chip to take to the paint shop to match.  Thanks for
>>    your
>>    reply.
>>    Ron Haskell
>> 
>>  Hi Ron,
>>          Those Brits and their "Greens" - Mid Brunswick was used by
>>  Lister but it was at one time the"standard" green to use for all
>>  (British) industrial equipment. Very closely related to British Racing
>>  Green (maybe a "smidge" lighter)
>> 
>>          ISTR that "Deep Bronze Green" was also called "Land Rover
>>  Green" but not too sure but also closely related to the"Brunswick
>>  colours". I think that Ruston or Petters used that colour but it's late
>>  here and I would not "swear to it".
>>          You can never go by your Monitor colours but a Google search
>>  for RGB (Red Green Blue) colour equivalent chart can help. Once you
>>  have found the "RGB" then ask someone who has a graphics programme like
>>  Photoshop or CorelDraw to do a letter size drawing with a rectangle
>>  filling the page coloured with that RGB formula. Take that drawing to a
>>  decent printing company and ask them to print it out on coated paper
>>  for you (your home inkjet printer may not be as accurate as the high
>>  quality printers used by the printing company). That will give you
>>  pretty good idea of the colour and a paint shop can mix from it.
>>  (Remember that a colour printed onto coated or even a glossy paper will
>>  vary slightly from the same colour printed onto matte (or Plain) paper.
>> 
>>    ((The colour you mention "BS381c-224" has a small "c" just after the
>>    381 - that only means that that it is what the the colour will look
>>    like on a "coated" paper - the printing company will be able to
>>    explain more than I can !))
>> 
>>  A very quick search gives the RGB equivalent as 30 40 20 (ie 30 parts
>>  RED - 40 parts Green - 20 parts Blue) but I'm tired and in a hurry so
>>  best check yourself :-(
>>  If you like I can do the CorelDraw drawing for you - let me know off
>>  list.
>> 
>>  Keep the revs up (or down)
>>  Jerry Evans
>>  Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
>>  Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
>>  <[1]www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>
>> 
>> References
>> 
>>  1. http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Thu Nov 17 17:28:48 2011
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 17:28:48 -0800
Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 92, Issue 9
Message-ID: <20111117.172949.1635.47071@mailpop26.vgs.untd.com>

Can you deliver that bridge Dave?

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell

On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 19:49:14 -0500 Dave Rotigel <rotigel at me.com> writes:
> If ANYONE on the LIST believes that all the engines that were made by 
> any single engine company (in the early part of the 20th century) 
> were painted the same shade of green (or any other given colo(u)r 
> for that matter) I wish they would contact me off list. I have a 
> BRIDGE for sale!
____________________________________________________________
57 Year Old Mom Looks 28
Mom Reveals $4 Wrinkle Therapy Angering Doctors! We reveal how......
http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4ec5b511ab67318e7aast03vuc


From rob at rustyiron.com  Thu Nov 17 17:39:11 2011
From: rob at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 17:39:11 -0800
Subject: [SEL] aging new timber to look old
In-Reply-To: <ED2E1F6EF6034D02AF6F318ECB3484FC@craig8b4f43368>
References: <ED2E1F6EF6034D02AF6F318ECB3484FC@craig8b4f43368>
Message-ID: <4B415BBC-70AE-44C3-9608-5388630BA3A6@rustyiron.com>


On Nov 16, 2011, at 2:06 PM, Craig Morrison wrote:

> Hi,
>        As the title says, does anyone have any ideas how to age the new timber used on an engine cart so as it looks period to an original looking engine.(ie; not shiny as using a wood preservative will leave it)
>    Any thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated.


Hi, Craig.
I?ve done a few projects that required old-looking wood. My recipe is a bit different every time.

I mix it in a disposable pie tin or bowl. These are the basic ingredients, with the biggest component first, working down to the smallest. I start with mostly linseed oil. Into that I?ll pour some dark wood stain. Usually I?ll add some used motor oil. I always add about a tablespoon of black paint, otherwise it?s never dark enough. Sometimes I?ll add about a mouthful or so lacquer thinner, but not aways.

I slop the mixture onto the wood, let it sit, then wipe it off, as you would stain. 

Sometimes the finish comes out looking lighter than I wanted, but it will definitely darken after six months or so. Exposure to sunlight, dirt, heat and oxygen will really make a difference. 

Rob






From rotigel at me.com  Thu Nov 17 17:48:40 2011
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 20:48:40 -0500
Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Vol 92, Issue 9
In-Reply-To: <20111117.172949.1635.47071@mailpop26.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20111117.172949.1635.47071@mailpop26.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <039D299E-373B-4B52-B7A7-EFBFB74D3323@me.com>

Yes, the delivery charge has been figured into the price. There is some assembly required, however!
	Dave

On Nov 17, 2011, at 8:28 PM, rdhaskell at juno.com wrote:

> Can you deliver that bridge Dave?
> 
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California USA
> http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell
> 
> On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 19:49:14 -0500 Dave Rotigel <rotigel at me.com> writes:
>> If ANYONE on the LIST believes that all the engines that were made by 
>> any single engine company (in the early part of the 20th century) 
>> were painted the same shade of green (or any other given colo(u)r 
>> for that matter) I wish they would contact me off list. I have a 
>> BRIDGE for sale!
> ____________________________________________________________
> 57 Year Old Mom Looks 28
> Mom Reveals $4 Wrinkle Therapy Angering Doctors! We reveal how......
> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4ec5b511ab67318e7aast03vuc
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From edstoller at earthlink.net  Thu Nov 17 18:05:56 2011
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (Ed Stoller)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 21:05:56 -0500
Subject: [SEL] aging new timber to look old
References: <ED2E1F6EF6034D02AF6F318ECB3484FC@craig8b4f43368>
	<4B415BBC-70AE-44C3-9608-5388630BA3A6@rustyiron.com>
Message-ID: <B36C24659DF14860BBAA000B5317103D@edlaptop>

How about trying the soup from the electrolysis tank on a piece of scrap.

Ed Stoller
New Fairfield,  CT,   USA
www.enginesandmagnets.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rob Skinner" <rob at rustyiron.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 8:39 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] aging new timber to look old



On Nov 16, 2011, at 2:06 PM, Craig Morrison wrote:

> Hi,
>        As the title says, does anyone have any ideas how to age the new 
> timber used on an engine cart so as it looks period to an original looking 
> engine.(ie; not shiny as using a wood preservative will leave it)
>    Any thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated.


Hi, Craig.
I?ve done a few projects that required old-looking wood. My recipe is a bit 
different every time.

I mix it in a disposable pie tin or bowl. These are the basic ingredients, 
with the biggest component first, working down to the smallest. I start with 
mostly linseed oil. Into that I?ll pour some dark wood stain. Usually I?ll 
add some used motor oil. I always add about a tablespoon of black paint, 
otherwise it?s never dark enough. Sometimes I?ll add about a mouthful or so 
lacquer thinner, but not aways.

I slop the mixture onto the wood, let it sit, then wipe it off, as you would 
stain.

Sometimes the finish comes out looking lighter than I wanted, but it will 
definitely darken after six months or so. Exposure to sunlight, dirt, heat 
and oxygen will really make a difference.

Rob




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From al.harris at rustic-engines.com  Thu Nov 17 18:26:09 2011
From: al.harris at rustic-engines.com (Al Harris)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 13:26:09 +1100
Subject: [SEL] aging new timber to look old
In-Reply-To: <B36C24659DF14860BBAA000B5317103D@edlaptop>
References: <ED2E1F6EF6034D02AF6F318ECB3484FC@craig8b4f43368>
	<4B415BBC-70AE-44C3-9608-5388630BA3A6@rustyiron.com>
	<B36C24659DF14860BBAA000B5317103D@edlaptop>
Message-ID: <4EC5C241.4040100@rustic-engines.com>

I'm a bit late on this, but has anybody mentioned blow-torch, LPG or 
oxy; with a wire brush?



On 18/11/2011 1:05 PM, Ed Stoller wrote:
> How about trying the soup from the electrolysis tank on a piece of scrap.
>
> Ed Stoller
> New Fairfield,  CT,   USA
> www.enginesandmagnets.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rob Skinner"<rob at rustyiron.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list"<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 8:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] aging new timber to look old
>
>
>
> On Nov 16, 2011, at 2:06 PM, Craig Morrison wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>         As the title says, does anyone have any ideas how to age the new
>> timber used on an engine cart so as it looks period to an original looking
>> engine.(ie; not shiny as using a wood preservative will leave it)
>>     Any thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated.
>
> Hi, Craig.
> I?ve done a few projects that required old-looking wood. My recipe is a bit
> different every time.
>
> I mix it in a disposable pie tin or bowl. These are the basic ingredients,
> with the biggest component first, working down to the smallest. I start with
> mostly linseed oil. Into that I?ll pour some dark wood stain. Usually I?ll
> add some used motor oil. I always add about a tablespoon of black paint,
> otherwise it?s never dark enough. Sometimes I?ll add about a mouthful or so
> lacquer thinner, but not aways.
>
> I slop the mixture onto the wood, let it sit, then wipe it off, as you would
> stain.
>
> Sometimes the finish comes out looking lighter than I wanted, but it will
> definitely darken after six months or so. Exposure to sunlight, dirt, heat
> and oxygen will really make a difference.
>
> Rob
>
>
>
>
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Fri Nov 18 04:18:54 2011
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 12:18:54 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Snipping Unwanted Content in Posts
Message-ID: <CAMEZ00J7wcnpPu0TkmpjpVQ5b7orwabVpc4JPBwWw+2va93wsA@mail.gmail.com>

Guys & Gals:

Please remember to delete unwanted content when you are posting to the Lists.

There are many 'one-liner' messages coming across, with two pages of
unneceesary stuff that doesn't need to be included.

A little thought would be appreciated.

Peter
-- 
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk


From sutter6 at bigpond.net.au  Fri Nov 18 04:45:18 2011
From: sutter6 at bigpond.net.au (sutter)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 23:45:18 +1100
Subject: [SEL] "Premier" Engine??
In-Reply-To: <94539272-324D-4FED-8A37-D64A1650528B@internode.on.net>
Message-ID: <4A3DB4A02B68416193CDF7210E848623@rodfew3c793iy9>

Thanks Eric - yep that is the engine!

The main difference between the engine I saw and your copies of the
advertisement is that the crankshaft is in line with the transporter and
cast base (not at a right angle as in your pics). The "flanges" on the
engine bolt to the cast base as in your pics but are turned around 90
degrees so the flywheel is in front of the tank and the other end of the
crankshaft is at the front of the transporter - the cast base still goes
lengthways down the transporter.

The transporter in your pics looks the same as the engine I saw but the
water tank is square and quite large with several baffles inside.

The owner said he got it off a cousin who had it on his property (has been
sitting outside for 30+ years). He has a Bosch magneto with it (DA4?)and
schebler carb. The timing gears were stripped so the owner has had 2 new
ones cut. The cylinder also has a frost crack in the water jacket but it is
on the second cylinder (valve side) which is "siamesed" to the main cylinder
sort of like a figure 8.

The ad says sizes 3 to 100 HP - I don't think there are too many 100HP
Premier engines around!

I will go and have a closer look and take some photos.

Rod Sutter
sutter6 at bigpond.net.au


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Eric Schulz
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 10:06 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] "Premier" Engine??

Premier engines are pretty rare. The oldest reference to them that I know of
is advertising in 1910. It has been suggested that production ended in 1916,
but that has not been verified.
They do have a marine base, but were not advertised as a marine engine. See
the 1910 ad. These are not good copies, especially one, done maybe 30 or
more years ago. Copiers have improved enormously since then.

Eric

[IMG]http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc10/Antique_Engines/Premier1.jpg[/I
MG]

[IMG]http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc10/Antique_Engines/Premier2copy.jp
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From rotigel at me.com  Fri Nov 18 05:03:18 2011
From: rotigel at me.com (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 08:03:18 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Snipping Unwanted Content in Posts
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Why on earth does it make any difference Peter?
	Dave

On Nov 18, 2011, at 7:18 AM, Listerdiesel wrote:

> Guys & Gals:
> 
> Please remember to delete unwanted content when you are posting to the Lists.
> 
> There are many 'one-liner' messages coming across, with two pages of
> unneceesary stuff that doesn't need to be included.
> 
> A little thought would be appreciated.
> 
> Peter
> -- 
> Peter A Forbes
> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
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From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 18 06:19:35 2011
From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 06:19:35 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Snipping Unwanted Content in Posts
In-Reply-To: <E322ABCF-7824-47DF-A15A-B41AE8142412@me.com>
References: <CAMEZ00J7wcnpPu0TkmpjpVQ5b7orwabVpc4JPBwWw+2va93wsA@mail.gmail.com>
	<E322ABCF-7824-47DF-A15A-B41AE8142412@me.com>
Message-ID: <1321625975.99021.YahooMailNeo@web112618.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

ROFMAO

Joe Prindle
Baraboo, WI USA
"All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike Milligan
 

________________________________
 From: Dave Rotigel <rotigel at me.com>
To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> 
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 7:03 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Snipping Unwanted Content in Posts
 
Why on earth does it make any difference Peter?
??? Dave

On Nov 18, 2011, at 7:18 AM, Listerdiesel wrote:

> Guys & Gals:
> 
> Please remember to delete unwanted content when you are posting to the Lists.
> 
> There are many 'one-liner' messages coming across, with two pages of
> unneceesary stuff that doesn't need to be included.
> 
> A little thought would be appreciated.
> 
> Peter
> -- 
> Peter A Forbes
> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
> http://stationary-engine.co.uk
> http://www.oldengine.co.uk
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From oldengin1 at gmail.com  Fri Nov 18 06:59:30 2011
From: oldengin1 at gmail.com (Leroy Clark)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 09:59:30 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Snipping Unwanted Content in Posts
In-Reply-To: <1321625975.99021.YahooMailNeo@web112618.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <CAMEZ00J7wcnpPu0TkmpjpVQ5b7orwabVpc4JPBwWw+2va93wsA@mail.gmail.com>
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	<1321625975.99021.YahooMailNeo@web112618.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ0UjPnY58AfVWyEvb+OPaCDUb368b+7xEktSjjpHAV3smZV3w@mail.gmail.com>

No. L.???  Leroy

On Nov 18, 2011 9:32 AM, "Joe Prindle" <joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com> wrote:

ROFMAO

Joe Prindle
Baraboo, WI USA
"All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike
Milligan


________________________________
 From: Dave Rotigel <rotigel at me.com>
To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 7:03 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Snipping Unwanted Content in Posts


Why on earth does it make any difference Peter?
    Dave

On Nov 18, 2011, at 7:18 AM, Listerdiese...


From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Fri Nov 18 08:49:18 2011
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 11:49:18 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Snipping Unwanted Content in Posts
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References: <CAMEZ00J7wcnpPu0TkmpjpVQ5b7orwabVpc4JPBwWw+2va93wsA@mail.gmail.com>	<E322ABCF-7824-47DF-A15A-B41AE8142412@me.com>	<1321625975.99021.YahooMailNeo@web112618.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<CAJ0UjPnY58AfVWyEvb+OPaCDUb368b+7xEktSjjpHAV3smZV3w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001201cca612$069daa80$13d8ff80$@com>

I thought the same thing Leroy.  I figured he must have "rolled" his "A"
off....

Tommy Turner



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Leroy Clark
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 10:00 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Snipping Unwanted Content in Posts

No. L.???  Leroy

On Nov 18, 2011 9:32 AM, "Joe Prindle" <joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com> wrote:

ROFMAO




From curt at rustyiron.com  Fri Nov 18 09:43:04 2011
From: curt at rustyiron.com (curt at rustyiron.com)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 09:43:04 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Snipping Unwanted Content in Posts
In-Reply-To: <CAJ0UjPnY58AfVWyEvb+OPaCDUb368b+7xEktSjjpHAV3smZV3w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMEZ00J7wcnpPu0TkmpjpVQ5b7orwabVpc4JPBwWw+2va93wsA@mail.gmail.com>
	<E322ABCF-7824-47DF-A15A-B41AE8142412@me.com>
	<1321625975.99021.YahooMailNeo@web112618.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<CAJ0UjPnY58AfVWyEvb+OPaCDUb368b+7xEktSjjpHAV3smZV3w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a83de40130bb844dfd93a23dbfdc9a0d.squirrel@elara.lunarservers.com>


It's not close enough to Christmas yet.
Curt

> No. L.???  Leroy
>
> On Nov 18, 2011 9:32 AM, "Joe Prindle" <joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> ROFMAO
>




From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 18 10:03:23 2011
From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 10:03:23 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Snipping Unwanted Content in Posts
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References: <CAMEZ00J7wcnpPu0TkmpjpVQ5b7orwabVpc4JPBwWw+2va93wsA@mail.gmail.com>
	<E322ABCF-7824-47DF-A15A-B41AE8142412@me.com>
	<1321625975.99021.YahooMailNeo@web112618.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<CAJ0UjPnY58AfVWyEvb+OPaCDUb368b+7xEktSjjpHAV3smZV3w@mail.gmail.com>
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Laughing too hard to type properly. opps. my bad.


Joe Prindle
Baraboo, WI USA
"All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike Milligan
 

________________________________
 From: Leroy Clark <oldengin1 at gmail.com>
To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> 
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 8:59 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Snipping Unwanted Content in Posts
 
No. L.???? Leroy

On Nov 18, 2011 9:32 AM, "Joe Prindle" <joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com> wrote:

ROFMAO

Joe Prindle
Baraboo, WI USA
"All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike
Milligan


________________________________
From: Dave Rotigel <rotigel at me.com>
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Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 7:03 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Snipping Unwanted Content in Posts


Why on earth does it make any difference Peter?
? ? Dave

On Nov 18, 2011, at 7:18 AM, Listerdiese...
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From jswords at mcn.net  Fri Nov 18 14:02:32 2011
From: jswords at mcn.net (DMcDonald)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 15:02:32 -0700
Subject: [SEL] aging new timber to look old
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1321635601.10637.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
References: <mailman.1.1321635601.10637.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <4EC6D5F8.5060405@mcn.net>

Dear Craig

Here is the steps that I follow

1. sand blast to taste
             This will give rounded edges and wearing away of wood
             You do not want to be neat.

2. Distress the wood
                hit with a hammer - both ends
                 hit it with chain
                 set a bent nail on it and tap the nail down and then 
remove the nail
                 hit it with some rocks

                 have fun  but not to much.   :)

3. Many ways to color the wood,  I use a solution of tannic acid
             You can take some oak wood saw dust and soak in water
             brush the water on your wood

4.    To make a*grey color* you can use a number of Iron compounds
             I use ferrous sulfate but ferric chloride (rust nails in 
HCl) and ferrous acetate ( steel wool in vinegar)
             will all give a grey color.

5. Then brush with a weak solution of  sodium hydroxide (lye - be 
careful ) to make a nice *brown color*
             I do this only in some areas leaving some areas grey

6.  Then take some used motor oil and add spots, used axle grease if you 
have any around.

7. dust the whole thing with some dirt

8. rub some places and others just let dry

9. brush/clean off as needed.


Have fun

If you have any questions please ask (jswords at mcn.net)
later
david mcdonald
>> From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk
>> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 22:06:58 +0000
>> Subject: [SEL] aging new timber to look old
>>
>> Hi,
>> As the title says, does anyone have any ideas how to age the new timber used on an engine cart so as it looks period to an original looking engine.(ie; not shiny as using a wood preservative will leave it)
>> Any thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks, Craig
>> _______________________________________________
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>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>   		 	   		
>

-- 
David McDonald                  Collector of Japanese Swords and Old Iron
PO Box 265                      WEB page - http://www.montanairon.com
Sidney MT  59270                email - jswords at mcn.net
406-482-3243  evenings          I do tsukamaki (wrapping of sword hilts)

Owner of White IH Cub&  Super A Farmall, IH 100&  130, 140, AC G
McD type M, Monitor, Frost King and other stationary engines.



From russell at ncable.com.au  Fri Nov 18 14:17:41 2011
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 09:17:41 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Snipping Unwanted Content in Posts
In-Reply-To: <E322ABCF-7824-47DF-A15A-B41AE8142412@me.com>
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Message-ID: <CA0A7785-BEA2-4AC0-86AB-74D57017A2CA@ncable.com.au>

Some of us still need to read the printed version Dave!


On 19/11/2011, at 12:03 AM, Dave Rotigel wrote:

> Why on earth does it make any difference Peter?
> 	Dave
> 
> On Nov 18, 2011, at 7:18 AM, Listerdiesel wrote:
> 
>> Guys & Gals:
>> 
>> Please remember to delete unwanted content when you are posting to the Lists.
>> 
>> There are many 'one-liner' messages coming across, with two pages of
>> unneceesary stuff that doesn't need to be included.
>> 
>> A little thought would be appreciated.
>> 
>> Peter
>> -- 
>> Peter A Forbes
>> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
>> http://stationary-engine.co.uk
>> http://www.oldengine.co.uk
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
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From marinesurveys at msn.com  Fri Nov 18 15:27:16 2011
From: marinesurveys at msn.com (frank skinner)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 18:27:16 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Snipping Unwanted Content in Posts
In-Reply-To: <CA0A7785-BEA2-4AC0-86AB-74D57017A2CA@ncable.com.au>
References: <CAMEZ00J7wcnpPu0TkmpjpVQ5b7orwabVpc4JPBwWw+2va93wsA@mail.gmail.com>,
	<E322ABCF-7824-47DF-A15A-B41AE8142412@me.com>,
	<CA0A7785-BEA2-4AC0-86AB-74D57017A2CA@ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <COL106-W18E1D054C052B9897E3A76B4C40@phx.gbl>


Maybe its taking unwanted space/bandwidth on the server !
But then agan I'm am analog guy in a digital world !
Just saying stuff without knowing !
When I post, it's usually a reply & I'm clueless !
                  Best Regards
             
           Franklin S. Skinner 
      Marine Surveyor & Consultant 
3428 Talon Court Wilmington NC 28409 
       34'10.9 North 74'52.4 West 
PH 910-791-8870  Cell 910-612-7470



 

> From: russell at ncable.com.au
> Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 09:17:41 +1100
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Snipping Unwanted Content in Posts
> 
> Some of us still need to read the printed version Dave!
> 
> 
> On 19/11/2011, at 12:03 AM, Dave Rotigel wrote:
> 
> > Why on earth does it make any difference Peter?
> > Dave
> > 
> > On Nov 18, 2011, at 7:18 AM, Listerdiesel wrote:
> > 
> >> Guys & Gals:
> >> 
> >> Please remember to delete unwanted content when you are posting to the Lists.
> >> 
> >> There are many 'one-liner' messages coming across, with two pages of
> >> unneceesary stuff that doesn't need to be included.
> >> 
> >> A little thought would be appreciated.
> >> 
> >> Peter
> >> -- 
> >> Peter A Forbes
> >> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
> >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
> >> http://stationary-engine.co.uk
> >> http://www.oldengine.co.uk
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> SEL mailing list
> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sun Nov 20 00:54:27 2011
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 03:54:27 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Snipping Unwanted Content in Posts
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	<E322ABCF-7824-47DF-A15A-B41AE8142412@me.com>
	<CA0A7785-BEA2-4AC0-86AB-74D57017A2CA@ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <ebebe8bb02ee3a96a5db8a7284fb2dd8.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com>

Ya know Russell, the beauty of email is that it's
ELECTRONIC!!  Save those trees and buy a bigger monitor.

AND if you turn the monitor on its side the whole email
with ALL oif it's lines will all be on screen.
No worries mate!

Besides, if everyone cuts all of the previous parts of the
posts out, you'll be TOTALLY screwed when you print 'em.
Just imagine, all those printed one-line emails, along comes
a gust of wind and now they are all out of order.
Then you're really screwed mate!  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

On Fri, November 18, 2011 5:17 pm, Russell wrote:
> Some of us still need to read the printed version Dave!
>
>
> On 19/11/2011, at 12:03 AM, Dave Rotigel wrote:
>
>> Why on earth does it make any difference Peter?
>> 	Dave
>>
>> On Nov 18, 2011, at 7:18 AM, Listerdiesel wrote:
>>
>>> Guys & Gals:
>>>
>>> Please remember to delete unwanted content when you are posting to the
>>> Lists.
>>>
>>> There are many 'one-liner' messages coming across, with two pages of
>>> unneceesary stuff that doesn't need to be included.
>>>
>>> A little thought would be appreciated.
>>>
>>> Peter
>>> --
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sun Nov 20 02:09:24 2011
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 05:09:24 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Snipping Unwanted Content in Posts
In-Reply-To: <a83de40130bb844dfd93a23dbfdc9a0d.squirrel@elara.lunarservers.com>
References: <CAMEZ00J7wcnpPu0TkmpjpVQ5b7orwabVpc4JPBwWw+2va93wsA@mail.gmail.com>
	<E322ABCF-7824-47DF-A15A-B41AE8142412@me.com>
	<1321625975.99021.YahooMailNeo@web112618.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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G_R_O_A_N!  Curt, go to your room.

On Fri, November 18, 2011 12:43 pm, curt at rustyiron.com wrote:
>
> It's not close enough to Christmas yet.
> Curt
>
>> No. L.???  Leroy
>>
>> On Nov 18, 2011 9:32 AM, "Joe Prindle" <joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> ROFMAO
>>
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From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Sun Nov 20 02:54:04 2011
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 21:54:04 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Taralga Rally
Message-ID: <CAEF277C.B455%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

I popped down to Taralga today for a quick look at the annual rally held
there. Some nice engines and equipment but a shower of rain and the chance
of more scared some people away early.
Some pics at:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/tar011/index.htm
Patrick

Patrick M Livingstone
0418 692013
Earlwood NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sun Nov 20 03:16:42 2011
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 06:16:42 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Taralga Rally
In-Reply-To: <CAEF277C.B455%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
References: <CAEF277C.B455%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <69f758435fa58984d5f0d2146b85cf67.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com>

Looks like a nice rally Patrick and nice pics as usual.
That Wombat is a really cute little engine.
Are there many of those about?

See ya,  Arnie

On Sun, November 20, 2011 5:54 am, Patrick Livingstone wrote:
> I popped down to Taralga today for a quick look at the annual rally held
> there. Some nice engines and equipment but a shower of rain and the chance
> of more scared some people away early.
> Some pics at:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/tar011/index.htm





From cgandree at mchsi.com  Sun Nov 20 03:53:58 2011
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 05:53:58 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [SEL] Taralga Rally
In-Reply-To: <CAEF277C.B455%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <75002841.6875291321790038718.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>

Hi Patrick,
Nice pics.  Along with Arnie, I too am interested in knowing more about that Wombat engine. Where and who built them. Would be a nice addition to my collection if any available.
Thanks,
Curt Andree




----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick Livingstone" <patrick.livingstone at gmail.com>
To: "Oldengine" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>, "ATIS" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2011 4:54:04 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: [SEL] Taralga Rally

I popped down to Taralga today for a quick look at the annual rally held
there. Some nice engines and equipment but a shower of rain and the chance
of more scared some people away early.
Some pics at:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/tar011/index.htm
Patrick

Patrick M Livingstone
0418 692013
Earlwood NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html



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From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun Nov 20 05:19:35 2011
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 08:19:35 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Taralga Rally
Message-ID: <21b7d.35b409b5.3bfa5867@aol.com>



 
In a message dated 11/20/2011 6:22:04 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
fero_ah at city-net.com writes:

That Wombat is a really cute little engine.
______________________________________________________


Nice little hacksaw rig being run by it too!
 
Thanks for the photos Patrick!


Tom  Schmutz
Concord, Va.  
germoamer at aol.com




From rdhaskell at juno.com  Sun Nov 20 09:29:17 2011
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 09:29:17 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Taralga Rally
Message-ID: <20111120.092944.1635.56687@mailpop26.vgs.untd.com>

Great pictures Patrick, thanks.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell

On Sun, 20 Nov 2011 21:54:04 +1100 Patrick Livingstone
<patrick.livingstone at gmail.com> writes:
> I popped down to Taralga today for a quick look at the annual rally 
> held
> there. Some nice engines and equipment but a shower of rain and the 
> chance
> of more scared some people away early.
> Some pics at:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/tar011/index.htm
> Patrick
> 
> Patrick M Livingstone
> 0418 692013
> Earlwood NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
____________________________________________________________
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The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried
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From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Sun Nov 20 15:24:35 2011
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 10:24:35 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Taralga Rally
In-Reply-To: <69f758435fa58984d5f0d2146b85cf67.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com>
Message-ID: <CAEFD763.B4A4%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

Hi Arnie,
There are a few Wombats about. There are both hopper and tank cooled
versions. They are being made by a collector down the south coast. They are
not really models and not really full sized engines so I don't know what you
could classify them as.
They do seem to be very good runners.
Patrick


On 20/11/11 10:16 PM, "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:

> Looks like a nice rally Patrick and nice pics as usual.
> That Wombat is a really cute little engine.
> Are there many of those about?
> 
> See ya,  Arnie
> 
> On Sun, November 20, 2011 5:54 am, Patrick Livingstone wrote:
>> I popped down to Taralga today for a quick look at the annual rally held
>> there. Some nice engines and equipment but a shower of rain and the chance
>> of more scared some people away early.
>> Some pics at:
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/tar011/index.htm
> 
> 
> 
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Earlwood NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html





From patrick.livingstone at gmail.com  Sun Nov 20 15:25:44 2011
From: patrick.livingstone at gmail.com (Patrick Livingstone)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 10:25:44 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Taralga Rally
In-Reply-To: <75002841.6875291321790038718.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>
Message-ID: <CAEFD7A8.B4A5%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>

Hi Curt,
As far as I know they are still being built. Next time I see the maker at a
rally I will find out more.
Patrick


On 20/11/11 10:53 PM, "cgandree at mchsi.com" <cgandree at mchsi.com> wrote:

> Hi Patrick,
> Nice pics.  Along with Arnie, I too am interested in knowing more about that
> Wombat engine. Where and who built them. Would be a nice addition to my
> collection if any available.
> Thanks,
> Curt Andree
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Patrick Livingstone" <patrick.livingstone at gmail.com>
> To: "Oldengine" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>, "ATIS"
> <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2011 4:54:04 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
> Subject: [SEL] Taralga Rally
> 
> I popped down to Taralga today for a quick look at the annual rally held
> there. Some nice engines and equipment but a shower of rain and the chance
> of more scared some people away early.
> Some pics at:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/tar011/index.htm
> Patrick
> 
> Patrick M Livingstone
> 0418 692013
> Earlwood NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
> 
> 
> 
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From mathjr at optusnet.com.au  Sun Nov 20 21:12:33 2011
From: mathjr at optusnet.com.au (John Mathieson)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 16:12:33 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Taralga Rally
References: <75002841.6875291321790038718.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>
Message-ID: <54530891E0D24DE9A8CE24918E5AA560@jackospc>

Hi Curt, The last time that I spoke to the chap that made Wombat engines 
(Frank Little) he was having eye problems & said that he wouldn't be making 
any more.  Regards John Mathieson
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <cgandree at mchsi.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2011 10:53 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Taralga Rally


> Hi Patrick,
> Nice pics.  Along with Arnie, I too am interested in knowing more about 
> that Wombat engine. Where and who built them. Would be a nice addition to 
> my collection if any available.
> Thanks,
> Curt Andree
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Patrick Livingstone" <patrick.livingstone at gmail.com>
> To: "Oldengine" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>, "ATIS" 
> <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2011 4:54:04 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
> Subject: [SEL] Taralga Rally
>
> I popped down to Taralga today for a quick look at the annual rally held
> there. Some nice engines and equipment but a shower of rain and the chance
> of more scared some people away early.
> Some pics at:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/tar011/index.htm
> Patrick
>
> Patrick M Livingstone
> 0418 692013
> Earlwood NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>
>
>
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sun Nov 20 22:11:54 2011
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 01:11:54 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Taralga Rally
In-Reply-To: <CAEFD7A8.B4A5%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
References: <CAEFD7A8.B4A5%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <26927b2339b6595db8d5ee734d1ce22f.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com>

Patrick,

I'd be interested in that info as well.  Thanks mate!

See ya,  Arnie

On Sun, November 20, 2011 6:25 pm, Patrick Livingstone wrote:
> Hi Curt,
> As far as I know they are still being built. Next time I see the maker at
> a rally I will find out more.
> Patrick
>
>
> On 20/11/11 10:53 PM, "cgandree at mchsi.com" <cgandree at mchsi.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Patrick,
>> Nice pics.  Along with Arnie, I too am interested in knowing more about
>> that
>> Wombat engine. Where and who built them. Would be a nice addition to my
>> collection if any available.
>> Thanks,
>> Curt Andree




From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Mon Nov 21 00:29:13 2011
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 19:29:13 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Taralga Rally
In-Reply-To: <69f758435fa58984d5f0d2146b85cf67.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com>
References: <CAEF277C.B455%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<69f758435fa58984d5f0d2146b85cf67.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com>
Message-ID: <4ECA0BD9.3070801@optusnet.com.au>


G'Day Arnie, Curt

I was one of the few lucky ones that was able to obtain a much sort 
after Wombat engine, could not get one from the builder but from a 
resale from a friend that sold one, I took mine to the National Rally 
and was surprised at the interest it created.
I spoke to the builder, Frank Little at Taralga and he told me the story 
of the Wombat.
Frank was after a smaller English engine less that 1 hp that were 
produced in small numbers 80 odd years ago but found that they were too 
expensive when one came up, about the same time someone told him that 
there was still a course in pattern making and casting at a local TAFE 
(Technical Collage) they still had teachers but no apprentices and it 
was open for others, so he attended and designed an engine based on hit 
and miss principles then built the patterns and did the castings and 
machining he sold them as a running engine, the name Wombat came about 
when the first engine base casting was released from the sand upside 
down and the two pouring plugs and the breathers (I know there is a 
correct naming of these) but the four legs sticking up looked like a 
headless dead Wombat that usually has its legs sticking up when dead. 
Any way Frank designed both Air and Hopper cooled engines, in the hopper 
style like mine  he used his wifes flower vase shape.
He then set out to make more, hobbies / income until his eyesight 
started failing, he now cannot drive.
It seems that the exact number he made is in question but we know of 
number 12, mine is #7 and is a 2/3 HP the same as Patrick's photo
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/tar011/images/taralga2011%20067_jpg_jpg.jpg

so at this stage thats it.

Kerry




On 20/11/2011 10:16 PM, Arnie Fero wrote:
> Looks like a nice rally Patrick and nice pics as usual.
> That Wombat is a really cute little engine.
> Are there many of those about?
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
>



From cgandree at mchsi.com  Mon Nov 21 03:34:02 2011
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 05:34:02 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [SEL] Taralga Rally
In-Reply-To: <54530891E0D24DE9A8CE24918E5AA560@jackospc>
Message-ID: <1489585736.6981131321875242883.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs11>

John,
Thanks for the info. Regretfully I must only dream of one then.
Curt
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Mathieson" <mathjr at optusnet.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2011 11:12:33 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [SEL] Taralga Rally

Hi Curt, The last time that I spoke to the chap that made Wombat engines 
(Frank Little) he was having eye problems & said that he wouldn't be making 
any more.  Regards John Mathieson
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <cgandree at mchsi.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2011 10:53 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Taralga Rally


> Hi Patrick,
> Nice pics.  Along with Arnie, I too am interested in knowing more about 
> that Wombat engine. Where and who built them. Would be a nice addition to 
> my collection if any available.
> Thanks,
> Curt Andree
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Patrick Livingstone" <patrick.livingstone at gmail.com>
> To: "Oldengine" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>, "ATIS" 
> <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2011 4:54:04 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
> Subject: [SEL] Taralga Rally
>
> I popped down to Taralga today for a quick look at the annual rally held
> there. Some nice engines and equipment but a shower of rain and the chance
> of more scared some people away early.
> Some pics at:
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/tar011/index.htm
> Patrick
>
> Patrick M Livingstone
> 0418 692013
> Earlwood NSW
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
>
>
>
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Nov 21 05:41:49 2011
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 08:41:49 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Taralga Rally
In-Reply-To: <4ECA0BD9.3070801@optusnet.com.au>
References: <CAEF277C.B455%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<69f758435fa58984d5f0d2146b85cf67.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com>
	<4ECA0BD9.3070801@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <7b7f173eb0df8c2af1609b4ba629a1b4.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com>

G'day Mate,

Thanks so much for the "back story" on the Wombat!!

See ya,  Arnie

On Mon, November 21, 2011 3:29 am, Kerry wrote:
>
> G'Day Arnie, Curt
>
> I was one of the few lucky ones that was able to obtain a much sort
> after Wombat engine, could not get one from the builder but from a
> resale from a friend that sold one, I took mine to the National Rally
> and was surprised at the interest it created.
> I spoke to the builder, Frank Little at Taralga and he told me the story
> of the Wombat.
> Frank was after a smaller English engine less that 1 hp that were
> produced in small numbers 80 odd years ago but found that they were too
> expensive when one came up, about the same time someone told him that
> there was still a course in pattern making and casting at a local TAFE
> (Technical Collage) they still had teachers but no apprentices and it
> was open for others, so he attended and designed an engine based on hit
> and miss principles then built the patterns and did the castings and
> machining he sold them as a running engine, the name Wombat came about
> when the first engine base casting was released from the sand upside
> down and the two pouring plugs and the breathers (I know there is a
> correct naming of these) but the four legs sticking up looked like a
> headless dead Wombat that usually has its legs sticking up when dead.
> Any way Frank designed both Air and Hopper cooled engines, in the hopper
> style like mine  he used his wifes flower vase shape.
> He then set out to make more, hobbies / income until his eyesight
> started failing, he now cannot drive.
> It seems that the exact number he made is in question but we know of
> number 12, mine is #7 and is a 2/3 HP the same as Patrick's photo
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/tar011/images/taralga2011%20067_jpg_jpg.jpg
>
> so at this stage thats it.
>
> Kerry
>
>
>
>
> On 20/11/2011 10:16 PM, Arnie Fero wrote:
>> Looks like a nice rally Patrick and nice pics as usual.
>> That Wombat is a really cute little engine.
>> Are there many of those about?
>>
>> See ya,  Arnie
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>




From jerrye at databak.co.za  Mon Nov 21 10:47:32 2011
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 20:47:32 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Taralga Rally/Wombat
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1321894801.6629.sel@lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20111121201813.02039688@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>

   At 07:00 PM 21/11/11, you wrote:

     From: Kerry <ozengine at optusnet.com.au>
     Subject: Re: [SEL] Taralga Rally
     G'Day Arnie, Curt
     I was one of the few lucky ones that was able to obtain a much sort
     after Wombat engine,

     <BIG SNIP>
     so at this stage thats it.
     Kerry

   Hi Kerry,
           Great story - thanks for sharing it with us. It's becoming
   quite commonplace (and very sad) these days to hear of "lost talents"
   in our hobby.
           Here in SA we have a company established in 1923 who make all
   our piston rings for the old engines. It is a family business started
   by the grandfather (or maybe great grandfather) of the current owners.
   They do their own castings for the rings and do a great job but, it
   seems like they will also not last forever in this "New South Africa"
           I managed to borrow 2 photographs from their reception area of
   their original premises - beautiful - I scanned them and will upload
   them to the Oldengine site as soon as they have sorted out the problems
   with the server.

   Keep the revs up (or down)
   Jerry Evans
   Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
   Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
   <[1]www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>

References

   1. http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm


From kkinney at herculesengines.com  Mon Nov 21 11:11:44 2011
From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (kkinney at herculesengines.com)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 14:11:44 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Taralga Rally
In-Reply-To: <7b7f173eb0df8c2af1609b4ba629a1b4.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com>
References: <CAEF277C.B455%patrick.livingstone@gmail.com>
	<69f758435fa58984d5f0d2146b85cf67.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com>
	<4ECA0BD9.3070801@optusnet.com.au>
	<7b7f173eb0df8c2af1609b4ba629a1b4.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com>
Message-ID: <fad74b0a14276fc0d5c45f9688b7e953.squirrel@webmail2.web.com>

Sounds like somebody needs to rescue the patterns and make some more. 
Here is a Youtube like to one running:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFgA0Eycklg
Keith


> G'day Mate,
>
> Thanks so much for the "back story" on the Wombat!!
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> On Mon, November 21, 2011 3:29 am, Kerry wrote:
>>
>> G'Day Arnie, Curt
>>
>> I was one of the few lucky ones that was able to obtain a much sort
>> after Wombat engine, could not get one from the builder but from a
>> resale from a friend that sold one, I took mine to the National Rally
>> and was surprised at the interest it created.
>> I spoke to the builder, Frank Little at Taralga and he told me the story
>> of the Wombat.
>> Frank was after a smaller English engine less that 1 hp that were
>> produced in small numbers 80 odd years ago but found that they were too
>> expensive when one came up, about the same time someone told him that
>> there was still a course in pattern making and casting at a local TAFE
>> (Technical Collage) they still had teachers but no apprentices and it
>> was open for others, so he attended and designed an engine based on hit
>> and miss principles then built the patterns and did the castings and
>> machining he sold them as a running engine, the name Wombat came about
>> when the first engine base casting was released from the sand upside
>> down and the two pouring plugs and the breathers (I know there is a
>> correct naming of these) but the four legs sticking up looked like a
>> headless dead Wombat that usually has its legs sticking up when dead.
>> Any way Frank designed both Air and Hopper cooled engines, in the hopper
>> style like mine  he used his wifes flower vase shape.
>> He then set out to make more, hobbies / income until his eyesight
>> started failing, he now cannot drive.
>> It seems that the exact number he made is in question but we know of
>> number 12, mine is #7 and is a 2/3 HP the same as Patrick's photo
>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/tar011/images/taralga2011%20067_jpg_jpg.jpg
>>
>> so at this stage thats it.
>>
>> Kerry
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 20/11/2011 10:16 PM, Arnie Fero wrote:
>>> Looks like a nice rally Patrick and nice pics as usual.
>>> That Wombat is a really cute little engine.
>>> Are there many of those about?
>>>
>>> See ya,  Arnie
>>>
>>>
>>
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Wed Nov 23 05:08:22 2011
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 06:08:22 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Lunk mixer
Message-ID: <SNT143-ds19C00734F329D6F7D823E8BBC90@phx.gbl>

Neat mixer here but I can only swag why the hand valve handle??

What's your thot's?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/170733333116?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

RickinMt. 



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Wed Nov 23 05:34:48 2011
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 08:34:48 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Lunk mixer
In-Reply-To: <SNT143-ds19C00734F329D6F7D823E8BBC90@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <95949A364A464F5FB8CA7484FE14584F@D2JYVHJ1>

Rick,
	Some of those used the valve on top to work as a throttle.  It
has a stem that goes down and puts pressure on the valve that allows the
fuel to enter. By regulating how much the valve actuates it meters the
amount of fuel that is allowed through the carb and thus will throttle
the engine.  Most of these set ups I've seen have been in marine
applications.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



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Subject: [SEL] Lunk mixer


Neat mixer here but I can only swag why the hand valve handle??

What's your thot's?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/170733333116?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3
984.m1423.l2649

RickinMt. 

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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Wed Nov 23 06:11:04 2011
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 07:11:04 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Lunk mixer
In-Reply-To: <95949A364A464F5FB8CA7484FE14584F@D2JYVHJ1>
References: <95949A364A464F5FB8CA7484FE14584F@D2JYVHJ1>
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Hey..thanks guys.  That would be a  handy mixer for sure.

Btw, Corey Bell is still making reproduction Lunk's and will order one from 
him soon.  190 rockets plus 10 for shipping, for a 1-1/4.

Usual disclaimer,
Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 6:34 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Lunk mixer


> Rick,
> Some of those used the valve on top to work as a throttle.  It
> has a stem that goes down and puts pressure on the valve that allows the
> fuel to enter. By regulating how much the valve actuates it meters the
> amount of fuel that is allowed through the carb and thus will throttle
> the engine.  Most of these set ups I've seen have been in marine
> applications.
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Richard
> Strobel
> Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 8:08 AM
> To: stationary-engine; The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: [SEL] Lunk mixer
>
>
> Neat mixer here but I can only swag why the hand valve handle??
>
> What's your thot's?
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/170733333116?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3
> 984.m1423.l2649
>
> RickinMt.
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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Wed Nov 23 21:56:45 2011
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 21:56:45 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Paint follow up
Message-ID: <20111123.215701.1621.33017@mailpop24.vgs.untd.com>

Thanks for the many replies both on and off list.  I found a company
called My Perfect Color.  They immediately recognized the Australian
standards number, I could get the color in seven different formulas from
flat water base to high gloss alkide enamel, and it was ready to ship
from pints to gallons.  It is on it's way now.


Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell
____________________________________________________________
57 Year Old Mom Looks 27
Mom Reveals $3 Wrinkle Trick Angering Doctors...
http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4ecddcbf8175a418fadst03vuc


From rdhaskell at juno.com  Wed Nov 23 21:59:27 2011
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 21:59:27 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Full paint info.
Message-ID: <20111123.220002.1621.33027@mailpop24.vgs.untd.com>

Benjamin Moore? P22 Direct to Metal Alkyd Urethane Gloss Enamel - Quart 
Australian Standards G63 Deep Bronze Green * 

I should have included this in the first post.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California USA
http://picasaweb.google.com/RonHaskell
____________________________________________________________
53 Year Old Mom Looks 33
The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried
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From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 25 22:28:54 2011
From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 22:28:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Ignitor Point Material
Message-ID: <1322288934.61937.YahooMailNeo@web112616.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

If any of you recall what the material that Ted Brookover recommended for make ignitor points is called, please let me know.
I had an Otto ignitor show up in the shop today for repairs and would like to see if I can obtain some more of that material to make the points out of.
Thank you,
Joe

Joe Prindle
Baraboo, WI USA
"All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike Milligan

From rholtzer at earthlink.net  Fri Nov 25 23:48:13 2011
From: rholtzer at earthlink.net (Robert L. Holtzer)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 23:48:13 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Ignitor Point Material
In-Reply-To: <1322288934.61937.YahooMailNeo@web112616.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <1322288934.61937.YahooMailNeo@web112616.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4ED099BD.2070104@earthlink.net>

On 11/25/2011 10:28 PM, Joe Prindle wrote:
> If any of you recall what the material that Ted Brookover recommended for make ignitor points is called, please let me know.
> I had an Otto ignitor show up in the shop today for repairs and would like to see if I can obtain some more of that material to make the points out of.
> Thank you,
> Joe
>
> Joe Prindle
> Baraboo, WI USA
> "All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike Milligan
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
I don't know what an Otto ignitor looks like but would TIG electrode 
material work?  I used it on a model engine with low tension 
coil/battery make/break ignition.  TIG electrodes are largely tungsten I 
believe.  Stands up well under heat and sparking.    The electrodes 
comes in several diameters.

Just a thought.

Bob Holtzer


From obise at moscow.com  Sat Nov 26 06:25:49 2011
From: obise at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 06:25:49 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Ignitor Point Material
In-Reply-To: <1322288934.61937.YahooMailNeo@web112616.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <1322288934.61937.YahooMailNeo@web112616.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4ED0F6ED.3060509@moscow.com>


On 11/25/2011 10:28 PM, Joe Prindle wrote:
> If any of you recall what the material that Ted Brookover recommended for make ignitor points is called, please let me know.
> I had an Otto ignitor show up in the shop today for repairs and would like to see if I can obtain some more of that material to make the points out of.
> Thank you,
> Joe
>
> Joe Prindle
> Baraboo, WI USA
> "All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike Milligan
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Here is what I have in my notes.  See below.
     Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm
So many projects.  So little time.


Hi All, In answer to the Ignitor points Question, I use a couple of
materials depending on the application I am working on. First, in all of the
new Ignitors I build, I use 3/16 Tunston Tig electrodes, cut into 1/8
wafers, and silver solder them in place. That is for Battery and Coil
application. Common nails will work also, but if you use a 12 volt power
source, you may see some burning at the points. I have had customers be very
specific in asking me to use "John Deere Points", no doubt thinking that
they would be the best available Point. I ordered points from John Deere,
they came in the JD Packaging and looked very good. But when I sat one on
the bench close to a Magnetic screw driver, it jumped right to the driver.
It would seem that the Original Points from John Deere are nothing more than
1/8 " shank steel rivets ($4 per set). The Point here is that you can use
anything to make points as long as they are securely attached and mate well
with each other. For Magneto applications like Websters and Plug
oscillators, I use 5/16 soft Stainless Steel or Monell because it seems that
the softer material allows a better spark and there is no danger of burning
the points . 3/16" Tungston is getting very hard to find and I am going to
have to go to 1/8" in the future. Hope this helps, Ted

Ted Brookover
4801 E. Red Bridge Rd.
Kansas City Mo. 64137
816-763-3142
ignitors at earthlink.net



From jmackess at twcny.rr.com  Sat Nov 26 07:01:33 2011
From: jmackess at twcny.rr.com (James Mackessy)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 10:01:33 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Ignitor Point Material
References: <1322288934.61937.YahooMailNeo@web112616.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000801ccac4c$4967c090$66804f4a@ownerfm3tybt04>

Hi Joe!
     I remember those posts! IIRC, he used tungsten "TIG" electrodes. There
are several alloys, "thoriated" is one I remember, there are others. It's
tough stuff, and you do not want to inhale any of the dust if you are
grinding it, it's nasty in terms of it's health effects. If I recall
correctly, it was silver brazed on.
Best Regards;
Jim Mackessy

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Prindle" <joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 1:28 AM
Subject: [SEL] Ignitor Point Material


> If any of you recall what the material that Ted Brookover recommended for
make ignitor points is called, please let me know.
> I had an Otto ignitor show up in the shop today for repairs and would like
to see if I can obtain some more of that material to make the points out of.
> Thank you,
> Joe
>
> Joe Prindle
> Baraboo, WI USA
> "All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike
Milligan
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 26 19:46:04 2011
From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 19:46:04 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Ignitor Point Material
In-Reply-To: <000801ccac4c$4967c090$66804f4a@ownerfm3tybt04>
References: <1322288934.61937.YahooMailNeo@web112616.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<000801ccac4c$4967c090$66804f4a@ownerfm3tybt04>
Message-ID: <1322365564.8134.YahooMailNeo@web112603.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Hi,
Thank you to you all for the on and off list replies to my question about ignitor points. I am going to do some more reading about tungsten, how to machine it and what the risks are and then go from there.
An off-list message from Stacy Leis indicated that Ted used a material called Meteor Metal and I am pretty sure that that is the stuff that Ted gave me. I will report back with details and photos of the project, which will probably start after Christmas.
Thanks,
Joe

Joe Prindle
Baraboo, WI USA
"All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike Milligan

From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Nov 26 20:47:05 2011
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 23:47:05 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Ignitor Point Material
In-Reply-To: <1322288934.61937.YahooMailNeo@web112616.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <1322288934.61937.YahooMailNeo@web112616.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5bc067fab95ce4effa44e54939c67598.squirrel@webmail.realprodata.com>

Hi Joe,

ISTR that Ted was a big fan of Meteor Metal for ignitor points.
Bill Lopoulos is a source of supply.
http://www.magnetoparts.com/ign_parts.htm
http://www.magnetoparts.com/index.html

See ya,  Arnie

On Sat, November 26, 2011 1:28 am, Joe Prindle wrote:
> If any of you recall what the material that Ted Brookover recommended for
> make ignitor points is called, please let me know.
> I had an Otto ignitor show up in the shop today for repairs and would like
> to see if I can obtain some more of that material to make the points out
> of.





From obise at moscow.com  Sat Nov 26 22:10:26 2011
From: obise at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 22:10:26 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Ignitor Point Material
In-Reply-To: <1322365564.8134.YahooMailNeo@web112603.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <1322288934.61937.YahooMailNeo@web112616.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<000801ccac4c$4967c090$66804f4a@ownerfm3tybt04>
	<1322365564.8134.YahooMailNeo@web112603.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4ED1D452.80606@moscow.com>


On 11/26/2011 7:46 PM, Joe Prindle wrote:
> Hi,
> Thank you to you all for the on and off list replies to my question about ignitor points. I am going to do some more reading about tungsten, how to machine it and what the risks are and then go from there.
> An off-list message from Stacy Leis indicated that Ted used a material called Meteor Metal and I am pretty sure that that is the stuff that Ted gave me. I will report back with details and photos of the project, which will probably start after Christmas.
> Thanks,
> Joe
>
> Joe Prindle
> Baraboo, WI USA
> "All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike Milligan
> _______________________________________________

Below my signature is what my notes have to say about Meteor metal.
     Regards,
         Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm
So many projects.  So little time.


If you do an analysis of original igniter points, you will find that most
of the alloys used have a high nickle content.  While it was once a common
product, it is now tough to get.  I use a product called "Meteor Metal",
so named because it uses a similar alloy to that found in meteors.  It is
a high-nickel content alloy and so far after several years of testing
(myself and another mag shop) has yeilded excellent results.  The alloy
was selected to best match that of original Webster points.

Snip

bill lopoulos
magneto repair

Here is another note from Bill:

Common myth.  IGNITION points can be made from tungsten.  They are quite 
hard.  We
have all used a diamond file or a stone to clean them.  IGNITER points 
are soft.
Try cleaning an original set with a diamond file or stone.  You will 
find that
clean very quickly.

bill l.


From enginman1 at verizon.net  Sun Nov 27 06:37:09 2011
From: enginman1 at verizon.net (Jeff Parks)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 09:37:09 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Ignitor Point Material
In-Reply-To: <4ED1D452.80606@moscow.com>
References: <1322288934.61937.YahooMailNeo@web112616.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<000801ccac4c$4967c090$66804f4a@ownerfm3tybt04>
	<1322365564.8134.YahooMailNeo@web112603.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<4ED1D452.80606@moscow.com>
Message-ID: <4ED24B15.6080804@verizon.net>

I to have used a variety of materials including the "meteor" metal. I 
have had the
best success with the meteor metal, machines ok and lasts well. I got it 
from a fellow
engine collector, I will check with him where he gets it and report back.

Jeff Parks
enginman1 at verizon.net
www.parksmotors.net



On 11/27/2011 1:10 AM, Orrin Iseminger wrote:
> On 11/26/2011 7:46 PM, Joe Prindle wrote:
>> Hi,
>> Thank you to you all for the on and off list replies to my question about ignitor points. I am going to do some more reading about tungsten, how to machine it and what the risks are and then go from there.
>> An off-list message from Stacy Leis indicated that Ted used a material called Meteor Metal and I am pretty sure that that is the stuff that Ted gave me. I will report back with details and photos of the project, which will probably start after Christmas.
>> Thanks,
>> Joe
>>
>> Joe Prindle
>> Baraboo, WI USA
>> "All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike Milligan
>> _______________________________________________
> Below my signature is what my notes have to say about Meteor metal.
>       Regards,
>           Orrin
>
> Orrin Iseminger
> Colton, Washington, USA
> http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/menu.htm
> So many projects.  So little time.
>
>
> If you do an analysis of original igniter points, you will find that most
> of the alloys used have a high nickle content.  While it was once a common
> product, it is now tough to get.  I use a product called "Meteor Metal",
> so named because it uses a similar alloy to that found in meteors.  It is
> a high-nickel content alloy and so far after several years of testing
> (myself and another mag shop) has yeilded excellent results.  The alloy
> was selected to best match that of original Webster points.
>
> Snip
>
> bill lopoulos
> magneto repair
>
> Here is another note from Bill:
>
> Common myth.  IGNITION points can be made from tungsten.  They are quite
> hard.  We
> have all used a diamond file or a stone to clean them.  IGNITER points
> are soft.
> Try cleaning an original set with a diamond file or stone.  You will
> find that
> clean very quickly.
>
> bill l.
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>


From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sun Nov 27 08:21:51 2011
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 18:21:51 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Engine data plates - what do you call them ?
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20111127182046.022fa770@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>

   Hi all,
           The lists are quiet so maybe you will not mind me asking the
   following question.
           The etched brass plates that I make are called by many
   different names in different parts of the world. Some are "Brass
   specification (or spec.) plates", "Engine data plates", "Brass engine
   plates" etc.etc.
           I'm busy tweaking my pages to get better search engine results
   (Google in particular). A Google for - Etched brass engine plates -
   already gives me the first 3 (unpaid for) listings on page one which is
   great and makes me feel quite proud of my webmastering skills  ;-).
           What I would like to know is, what are the other names that
   these plates could be called in your part of the world. In other words,
   if you were to do a search for them, what would you type into Google?
   That way I can add those terms (names) to my pages and get even broader
   coverage from the search engines.
           Replies on and off list will all be appreciated. Thanks in
   advance.

   Keep the revs up (or down)
   Jerry Evans
   Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
   Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
   <[1]www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>

References

   1. http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sun Nov 27 09:08:31 2011
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 10:08:31 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Ignitor Point Material
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I'd sure like to see the finished product as I've never heard of this. 
Don't think the finish nail in the Economy is cutting the mustard.

Thanks much
RickinMt.



> Hi Joe,
>
> ISTR that Ted was a big fan of Meteor Metal for ignitor points.
> Bill Lopoulos is a source of supply.
> http://www.magnetoparts.com/ign_parts.htm
> http://www.magnetoparts.com/index.html 



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sun Nov 27 09:32:04 2011
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 12:32:04 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Engine data plates - what do you call them ?
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20111127182046.022fa770@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>
Message-ID: <ADC672F979C74A8583B5D266794A4A6D@D2JYVHJ1>

Jerry,
	The most common term I have heard used here in the US is "Engine
Name Tag".  Other parts of the US may use different terminology and it
will be interesting to see what the suggestions are.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY




   Hi all,
           The lists are quiet so maybe you will not mind me asking the
   following question.
           The etched brass plates that I make are called by many
   different names in different parts of the world. Some are "Brass
   specification (or spec.) plates", "Engine data plates", "Brass engine
   plates" etc.etc.
           I'm busy tweaking my pages to get better search engine
results
   (Google in particular). A Google for - Etched brass engine plates -
   already gives me the first 3 (unpaid for) listings on page one which
is
   great and makes me feel quite proud of my webmastering skills  ;-).
           What I would like to know is, what are the other names that
   these plates could be called in your part of the world. In other
words,
   if you were to do a search for them, what would you type into Google?
   That way I can add those terms (names) to my pages and get even
broader
   coverage from the search engines.
           Replies on and off list will all be appreciated. Thanks in
   advance.

   Keep the revs up (or down)
   Jerry Evans
   Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
   Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
   <[1]www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sun Nov 27 09:33:04 2011
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 12:33:04 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Ignitor Point Material
In-Reply-To: <SNT143-ds6B58C8B1E25A8562A2563BBCD0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <97728A993AA440028006DFC5FE70B80A@D2JYVHJ1>

I've used the Meteor Metal from Bill L. in the past with good results.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



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Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 12:09 PM
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Subject: Re: [SEL] Ignitor Point Material


I'd sure like to see the finished product as I've never heard of this. 
Don't think the finish nail in the Economy is cutting the mustard.

Thanks much
RickinMt.



> Hi Joe,
>
> ISTR that Ted was a big fan of Meteor Metal for ignitor points. Bill 
> Lopoulos is a source of supply. 
> http://www.magnetoparts.com/ign_parts.htm
> http://www.magnetoparts.com/index.html

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From rustyiron1 at bigpond.com  Sun Nov 27 23:27:19 2011
From: rustyiron1 at bigpond.com (Andy Nicholson)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 17:27:19 +1000
Subject: [SEL] Engine data plates - what do you call them ?
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20111127182046.022fa770@mail.vaal3hoek.co.za>
Message-ID: <DF7DBCAF0BCE42C8A4E9B7553D645E65@owner916e4fa44>

Hi Jerry, I've always called them "Engine I.D. plates"
Andy.....
Oz
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry Evans" <jerrye at databak.co.za>
To: "SEL List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 2:21 AM
Subject: [SEL] Engine data plates - what do you call them ?


>   Hi all,
>           The lists are quiet so maybe you will not mind me asking the
>   following question.
>           The etched brass plates that I make are called by many
>   different names in different parts of the world. Some are "Brass
>   specification (or spec.) plates", "Engine data plates", "Brass engine
>   plates" etc.etc.
>           I'm busy tweaking my pages to get better search engine results
>   (Google in particular). A Google for - Etched brass engine plates -
>   already gives me the first 3 (unpaid for) listings on page one which is
>   great and makes me feel quite proud of my webmastering skills  ;-).
>           What I would like to know is, what are the other names that
>   these plates could be called in your part of the world. In other words,
>   if you were to do a search for them, what would you type into Google?
>   That way I can add those terms (names) to my pages and get even broader
>   coverage from the search engines.
>           Replies on and off list will all be appreciated. Thanks in
>   advance.
> 
>   Keep the revs up (or down)
>   Jerry Evans
>   Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
>   Etched Brass Engine Plates made to order:
>   <[1]www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm>
> 
> References
> 
>   1. http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans/plates/index.htm
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From Jim at hardmanfamily.net  Tue Nov 29 14:18:11 2011
From: Jim at hardmanfamily.net (Jim Hardman)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 17:18:11 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Spontaneous Combustion
Message-ID: <80BDB31C45E14E8F976252D06110FBB1@JamesDesktop>

We almost had a fire... and I should have known better.

For years I have been warned about spontaneous combustion, but never experienced it.

We were cleaning an engine with mineral spirits using cheap Wal-Mart face cloths.  Our son and grandson were helping scrub off oily areas... flywheel spokes, surfaces that were caked with dried grease, etc.

The original paint had turned dark with a veteran patina, but there was no rust and the bright work cleaned up really well.  The last step was to wipe everything down with a 50-50 mix of mineral spirits and boiled linseed oil.  Let me tell you, this engine came to life.

We dropped the used facecloths (six or seven dark with grease and mineral spirits, plus three still pretty moist with linseed oil) into an oversize coffee can and went on to other work.

The next afternoon, our son said "Dad, I smell smoke"... and I ran down to the shop.  The can was belching out smoke, you couldn't see across the room, a converted two-car garage.  The rim of the can was still cool, I carried it out to the driveway and dumped it out.  The rags were glowing red, they were partially consumed by glowing coals.  Our grandson blew into the rags and "poof!"... they burst into flame.

Yes, we have a fire detector in the shop, but the smoke detector was disconnected due to over-sensitivity.  I couldn't spray WD-40 without causing a false alarm.  And so no... we didn't detect the smoke.  The fire detector is a rate-of-rise temperature sensor tied into the alarm system.

It took 24 hours to cook off.  Had this happened at night, or when we weren't home, we could have had really serious trouble.  Having a shop connected to the house is a huge advantages during the winter months, but a fire could take down everything.

As I say, I should have known better.  I even recall being warned about this in grade school.

Beside feeling foolish, I feel pretty fortunate that our only consequence is having to air the place out.

My wife shook her finger at me and said "Don't you ever do that again."  Yep, I hear you.

Be warned...

Jim in Vermont



From ozengine at optusnet.com.au  Tue Nov 29 14:30:08 2011
From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 09:30:08 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Spontaneous Combustion
In-Reply-To: <80BDB31C45E14E8F976252D06110FBB1@JamesDesktop>
References: <80BDB31C45E14E8F976252D06110FBB1@JamesDesktop>
Message-ID: <4ED55CF0.3030103@optusnet.com.au>

G'Day Jim

glad it turned out well for you, its nearly 12 months since I posted the 
same warning when exactly the same happened to me in the workshop, I to 
was lucky to get away with improper disposal of linseed oil soaked rags.
Another warning for us all

Kerry



On 30/11/2011 9:18 AM, Jim Hardman wrote:
> We almost had a fire... and I should have known better.
>
> For years I have been warned about spontaneous combustion, but never experienced it.
>
> We were cleaning an engine with mineral spirits using cheap Wal-Mart face cloths.  Our son and grandson were helping scrub off oily areas... flywheel spokes, surfaces that were caked with dried grease, etc.
>
> The original paint had turned dark with a veteran patina, but there was no rust and the bright work cleaned up really well.  The last step was to wipe everything down with a 50-50 mix of mineral spirits and boiled linseed oil.  Let me tell you, this engine came to life.
>
> We dropped the used facecloths (six or seven dark with grease and mineral spirits, plus three still pretty moist with linseed oil) into an oversize coffee can and went on to other work.
>
> The next afternoon, our son said "Dad, I smell smoke"... and I ran down to the shop.  The can was belching out smoke, you couldn't see across the room, a converted two-car garage.  The rim of the can was still cool, I carried it out to the driveway and dumped it out.  The rags were glowing red, they were partially consumed by glowing coals.  Our grandson blew into the rags and "poof!"... they burst into flame.
>
> Yes, we have a fire detector in the shop, but the smoke detector was disconnected due to over-sensitivity.  I couldn't spray WD-40 without causing a false alarm.  And so no... we didn't detect the smoke.  The fire detector is a rate-of-rise temperature sensor tied into the alarm system.
>
> It took 24 hours to cook off.  Had this happened at night, or when we weren't home, we could have had really serious trouble.  Having a shop connected to the house is a huge advantages during the winter months, but a fire could take down everything.
>
> As I say, I should have known better.  I even recall being warned about this in grade school.
>
> Beside feeling foolish, I feel pretty fortunate that our only consequence is having to air the place out.
>
> My wife shook her finger at me and said "Don't you ever do that again."  Yep, I hear you.
>
> Be warned...
>
> Jim in Vermont
>
>



From George_Best at adp.com  Tue Nov 29 14:49:42 2011
From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 16:49:42 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Spontaneous Combustion
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Makes me think if you use rags and linseed oil, to just think of the rags as one time use.
When you finish using them for the day just go ahead and burn them.

Of course it helps if you live somewhere burning stuff doesn't get you in trouble.

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Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 2:30 PM
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Subject: Re: [SEL] Spontaneous Combustion

G'Day Jim

glad it turned out well for you, its nearly 12 months since I posted the 
same warning when exactly the same happened to me in the workshop, I to 
was lucky to get away with improper disposal of linseed oil soaked rags.
Another warning for us all

Kerry



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From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 29 16:48:56 2011
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 16:48:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Spontaneous Combustion
In-Reply-To: <80BDB31C45E14E8F976252D06110FBB1@JamesDesktop>
Message-ID: <1322614136.73015.YahooMailClassic@web111701.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I well remember as a kid when the farm up the road lost it's barn the same way.
They were working on a tractor then went to bed.
Yup, grease rags in a bucket next to the tractor's gas tank.

Alan in Michigan

--- On Tue, 11/29/11, Jim Hardman <Jim at hardmanfamily.net> wrote:

> From: Jim Hardman <Jim at hardmanfamily.net>
> Subject: [SEL] Spontaneous Combustion
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: Tuesday, November 29, 2011, 5:18 PM
> We almost had a fire... and I should
> have known better.
> 
> For years I have been warned about spontaneous combustion,
> but never experienced it.
> 
> We were cleaning an engine with mineral spirits using cheap
> Wal-Mart face cloths.? Our son and grandson were
> helping scrub off oily areas... flywheel spokes, surfaces
> that were caked with dried grease, etc.
> 
> The original paint had turned dark with a veteran patina,
> but there was no rust and the bright work cleaned up really
> well.? The last step was to wipe everything down with a
> 50-50 mix of mineral spirits and boiled linseed oil.?
> Let me tell you, this engine came to life.
> 
> We dropped the used facecloths (six or seven dark with
> grease and mineral spirits, plus three still pretty moist
> with linseed oil) into an oversize coffee can and went on to
> other work.
> 
> The next afternoon, our son said "Dad, I smell smoke"...
> and I ran down to the shop.? The can was belching out
> smoke, you couldn't see across the room, a converted two-car
> garage.? The rim of the can was still cool, I carried
> it out to the driveway and dumped it out.? The rags
> were glowing red, they were partially consumed by glowing
> coals.? Our grandson blew into the rags and "poof!"...
> they burst into flame.
> 
> Yes, we have a fire detector in the shop, but the smoke
> detector was disconnected due to over-sensitivity.? I
> couldn't spray WD-40 without causing a false alarm.?
> And so no... we didn't detect the smoke.? The fire
> detector is a rate-of-rise temperature sensor tied into the
> alarm system.
> 
> It took 24 hours to cook off.? Had this happened at
> night, or when we weren't home, we could have had really
> serious trouble.? Having a shop connected to the house
> is a huge advantages during the winter months, but a fire
> could take down everything.
> 
> As I say, I should have known better.? I even recall
> being warned about this in grade school.
> 
> Beside feeling foolish, I feel pretty fortunate that our
> only consequence is having to air the place out.
> 
> My wife shook her finger at me and said "Don't you ever do
> that again."? Yep, I hear you.
> 
> Be warned...
> 
> Jim in Vermont
> 
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From yostsw at atis.net  Tue Nov 29 21:26:02 2011
From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 00:26:02 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Spontaneous Combustion
In-Reply-To: <80BDB31C45E14E8F976252D06110FBB1@JamesDesktop>
References: <80BDB31C45E14E8F976252D06110FBB1@JamesDesktop>
Message-ID: <302BFB3F-E552-4347-ABAD-08FEE20BB620@atis.net>

I knew it, and still had it happen.  I wadded up my rag and threw it outside on the gravel while I went in to grab lunch.   I almost chastised myself for being too cautious.   Nothing could happen over a lunch- right?

Came back from lunch to a scorched rag smoldering on the gravel parking pad.  In my case I think the sun accelerated the time to combustion(and it was summer) because the shade retreated from the rag; but still- up in smoke in 45 mins!

Definitely be careful with linseed oil.

PS.  I have one of those rag buckets now where you can't leave the lid open.

Spencer

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 29, 2011, at 17:18, "Jim Hardman" <Jim at hardmanfamily.net> wrote:

> We almost had a fire... and I should have known better.
> 
> For years I have been warned about spontaneous combustion, but never experienced it.
> 
> We were cleaning an engine with mineral spirits using cheap Wal-Mart face cloths.  Our son and grandson were helping scrub off oily areas... flywheel spokes, surfaces that were caked with dried grease, etc.
> 
> The original paint had turned dark with a veteran patina, but there was no rust and the bright work cleaned up really well.  The last step was to wipe everything down with a 50-50 mix of mineral spirits and boiled linseed oil.  Let me tell you, this engine came to life.
> 
> We dropped the used facecloths (six or seven dark with grease and mineral spirits, plus three still pretty moist with linseed oil) into an oversize coffee can and went on to other work.
> 
> The next afternoon, our son said "Dad, I smell smoke"... and I ran down to the shop.  The can was belching out smoke, you couldn't see across the room, a converted two-car garage.  The rim of the can was still cool, I carried it out to the driveway and dumped it out.  The rags were glowing red, they were partially consumed by glowing coals.  Our grandson blew into the rags and "poof!"... they burst into flame.
> 
> Yes, we have a fire detector in the shop, but the smoke detector was disconnected due to over-sensitivity.  I couldn't spray WD-40 without causing a false alarm.  And so no... we didn't detect the smoke.  The fire detector is a rate-of-rise temperature sensor tied into the alarm system.
> 
> It took 24 hours to cook off.  Had this happened at night, or when we weren't home, we could have had really serious trouble.  Having a shop connected to the house is a huge advantages during the winter months, but a fire could take down everything.
> 
> As I say, I should have known better.  I even recall being warned about this in grade school.
> 
> Beside feeling foolish, I feel pretty fortunate that our only consequence is having to air the place out.
> 
> My wife shook her finger at me and said "Don't you ever do that again."  Yep, I hear you.
> 
> Be warned...
> 
> Jim in Vermont
> 
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